Head On View (midwife + nurse life)

In this episode, host Carly chats with Jeanelle, a nurse of five years, about her experience with burnout, especially exacerbated during the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic. Jeanelle shares her personal struggles, including emotional eating, anxiety, and strained relationships, which led her to seek solutions. She discusses the limitations of existing self-care resources for nurses and how she created her business 'Nursing the Nurse,' offering targeted support including nutrition, mindfulness, and community debriefing. Jeanelle emphasizes the importance of recognizing burnout symptoms, creating supportive work environments, and addressing issues within one's control. Her journey includes writing a book and developing a comprehensive program aimed at helping nurses manage burnout more effectively. You can find Jeanelle here ⬇️ FB Page - https://www.facebook.com/mindfulnessforhealthau IG - https://www.instagram.com/mindfulnessforhealthau/ FB Group - https://www.facebook.com/jeanelle.classen/ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanelle-classen-9080421ba/? Website - https://www.nursingthenurse.com

In this episode, Carly interviews Dr. Ailina, a specialist in functional medicine. They discuss the principles and benefits of functional medicine – an approach that focuses on addressing root causes of illnesses through holistic care, diet, and lifestyle changes rather than solely treating symptoms with medication. Dr. Ailina explains how functional medicine can aid in treating chronic conditions, and shares her personal journey of integrating it into her practice, inspired by the challenges of raising children on the autism spectrum. They also delve into the importance of nutrition, gut health, exercise, and stress management for overall well-being. Additionally, Dr. Ailina shares insights on the deficiencies within conventional medical training and offers practical advice for anyone looking to improve their health through functional medicine. You can find more information here: https://www.drailina.com Instagram @dr_ailina

In this episode of Head on View, the hosts chat with Camille, an American nurse who shares her experiences moving to New Zealand for work. Camille discusses what inspired her to make the move, the challenges faced in the immigration and job transition process, and the cultural differences between nursing in the U.S. and New Zealand. She highlights the more relaxed and supportive work environment in New Zealand, contrasts medical terminologies, and vividly describes her adventures and explorations of New Zealand. Camille also touches on her nursing specialties, including her time in cardiac ICU, and her broader travel experiences around the world. you can find Camille here Insta @camille.fahrnbauer Tiktok @camillllllllle

In this episode, Carly and Laura celebrate their podcast's fifth anniversary, reflecting on their journey and the milestones they've achieved. They delve into stories from their midwifery careers, discussing challenges like the lack of lactation consultants in smaller hospitals and the importance of having a support network. Carly shares her personal goal of paying off debts and saving for a big trip, while Laura talks about her dating experiences and goal of finding happiness in 2025. They also touch on their love for reading and the frustration of losing access to a favorite reading app, suggesting future episodes on reading challenges. The episode wraps up with light-hearted banter about New Year's resolutions, travel plans, and the excitement for the coming year.

In this year-end episode, the hosts reflect on the highs and lows of 2024, discuss their Christmas experiences, career updates, and personal achievements. They highlight significant moments such as working shifts during Christmas, the joy of having a Christmas baby, and their future travel plans which include a cruise in 2026. They also touch upon financial literacy, frugal living, and their aspirations for 2025, including attending more live gigs and dating. The podcast celebrates increased listenership and engagement statistics from their audience and looks forward to continuing their journey in the new year.

In this episode, Carly and Laura share their life updates. Carly discusses her contract extension, working conditions, and shifts at a small hospital dealing with staff shortages. They also touch upon issues such as staff strikes, safe patient ratios, and the difficulties of working with agencies. The discussion wraps up with some personal updates including Laura's new hybrid car purchase.

In this episode, Carly and Laura discuss changes in their personal and professional lives since their last recording. Carly talks about extending her contract from eight weeks to three months and the challenges of frequent moves. They reflect on the importance of not compromising on job conditions and share experiences about working in various healthcare settings, including the benefits and challenges. They also delve into navigating workplace expectations around sick leave, particularly in the context of COVID-19, and the shifting perceptions of taking time off. Additionally, Carly hints at plans for future travel and assignments, and both hosts muse on how life's plans can evolve over time.

In this episode of Head on View, Carly shares her experiences and challenges with nursing contracts across different hospitals, as well as moving from South Australia to the Gold Coast. Carly discusses issues with contract extensions, finding new placements, and the financial aspects of various nursing contracts. Laura talks about her new role as a lactation consultant and the benefits of having a permanent job.

In this episode, we chat with Georgia, a perioperative nurse based in Melbourne who is also known for her popular TikTok account. Georgia shares her journey into nursing, which started in her 30s, and how her initial dream of a career in performing arts shifted to healthcare. The discussion covers her varied experiences in different nursing roles, including working in anesthetics and recovery, both during and post-COVID. Georgia also delves into the challenges and rewards of agency nursing, the dynamics within perioperative departments, and dealing with difficult personalities. Additionally, she opens up about the impact of her growing social media presence, including the conflicts it has caused with employers and how she navigates online criticism. You can follow Georgia on tiktok @georgiakait and listen to her true crime podcast Nurse Ratchet.

In this episode of Head on View, Carly chats with Paige, whose TikTok birth story caught her attention. Paige discusses her unexpected birthing experience with her third child, which started as a preparation for an emergency C-section but ended with a vaginal delivery in the operating theatre. She shares her labour journey, how she coped with complications, and the crucial support from her midwife. Paige also reflects on her post-birth emotions, the importance of trusting one's instincts, and how her experience was treated by the hospital staff. You can follow Paige on insta @paigewilliams___ tiktok @paigewilliamss___

In this episode of 'Head On View,' hosts Carly, Laura, and Penny share life updates. Penny recounts her experience of giving birth to twins via elective caesarean section and her journey through motherhood, including challenges with breastfeeding and recovery. Laura discusses her current single life, while Carly talks about finishing her contract in New South Wales and her experiences at a new midwifery placement with some initial challenges but positive aspects.

In the highly anticipated part two of 'So I Married a Narcissist,' Laura continues her intense and emotional story. Joined by Lauren, one of her husband's hidden partners, they unravel the complex web of deceit spun by a man leading a double life across states. They discuss their journeys from discovery to survival, shedding light on red flags, gaslighting, financial and psychological abuse, and their respective paths to reclaiming their lives. The episode offers valuable insights into the reality of being entangled with a narcissist and the importance of trusting one's intuition. Trigger warning: The episode contains discussions of domestic violence.

In this episode Carly is joined by Molly, an Irish midwife now working in Australia. They discuss Molly's journey to Australia, the visa application process, and the practical challenges she faced. Molly shares her experience working in both large tertiary hospitals and smaller rural units, highlighting differences in practices and workplace dynamics. They also delve into the cultural and professional adjustments Molly had to make, the flexibility offered by working holiday visas, and the benefits and hurdles of contract work. Despite the challenges, Molly's story is an inspiring look at making life-changing moves and adapting to new environments.

In this episode of Head On View, Carly interviews Olivia, who graduated during the COVID-19 pandemic. Olivia shares her journey from high school to becoming a nurse and later a midwife. She discusses the challenges of studying and working in nursing during COVID, the intricacies of her double degree in nursing and international studies and her passion for midwifery. Olivia also recounts her time working in ICU, the impact of the pandemic on her early career and her current new graduate year in midwifery. The conversation touches on the importance of support systems, adequate staffing and potential future endeavors in the field. You can follow Olivia on tiktok @oliviaday71

From Travel Nurse to Remote Area Nurse: Indie's Journey and Experiences In this episode, Carly catches up with Indie, a travel nurse who recently trained as a remote area nurse (RAN). Indie shares her journey from being a novice travel nurse to taking specialised courses and gaining experiences in different nursing roles, including emergency departments and multi-purpose facilities. She discusses the challenges and rewards of remote area nursing, the necessity of additional qualifications and the importance of safety in isolated areas. Indie also reflects on her travels across Australia, the significance of community and support and her viral presence on social media platforms like TikTok. The conversation touches on the ups and downs of nomadic life, the connections formed on the road and plans for the future. Follow Indie here Instagram, Tiktok + YouTube @itsindiep

******TOPIC WARNING This episode discusses miscarriage and abortion****** In this episode of Head On View, hosts Carly and Laura speak with Kylie, a sexual and reproductive health nurse with extensive experience as a midwife. Kylie shares her journey to her current role, highlighting her background in public health education focusing on sexual health, HIV, and hepatitis. She discusses her decision to pursue nursing and midwifery to engage directly with communities, rather than developing policies. Kylie elaborates on her role, including providing medical abortion care, handling STI screenings, and educating on sexual and reproductive health across various life stages. She touches on challenges faced in regions with limited access to abortion services and the evolving laws around nurse and midwife involvement in abortion care. The conversation also covers the importance of normalizing discussions on sexual health, consent in healthcare, and the impact of language and stigma on patient care. Kylie mentions considering further qualifications to expand her scope of practice and her love for her work, despite societal challenges around sexual and reproductive health. Sexual Health Courses https://familyplanningallianceaustralia.org.au/learn/https://study.unimelb.edu.au/find/courses/graduate/graduate-certificate-in-sexual-health/ Cervical Screening Training (Victoria) https://www.cancervic.org.au/get-support/for-health-professionals/cervical-screening-providers/nurse-cervical-screening-provider-certification Early medical abortion https://whvtraining.com.au/product/early_medical_abortion/#:~:text=This%20short%20online%20course%20developed,context%20of%20abortion%20in%20Victoria. ASHM online training https://ashm.org.au/learning-hub/midwives/

We've packed alot into this 40 minutes: Kath shares her journey from massaging sweaty footy players to specializing in women's health physiotherapy, inspired by her own experiences of motherhood. We discuss the importance of proactive health measures, encouraging women to seek support and education before issues arise. Kath shares her own postpartum experiences, including symptoms of prolapse from overexertion and the importance of recognising one's limitations. We discuss the need for midwives to have training in pelvic floor health and the significance of early intervention and education during antenatal care. Address the stigma surrounding pelvic floor issues and the necessity for open conversations to destigmatize topics like incontinence. Kath explains how pelvic floor assessments are conducted and the benefits of techniques like perineal massage. The impact of epidurals on pelvic floor outcomes and the importance of informed decision-making during childbirth. **Connect with Kath** Find Kath on all the socials @fitnestmama for more information and resources on women's health. Kath also has a podcast, the Pregnancy, Birth & Recovery Podcast, where each week she dives into all things pregnancy care, childbirth and postnatal recovery, helping you to have a wonderful pregnancy and after birth experience. Link below for the preparing for birth checklist ⬇️ https://www.fitnestmama.com/free #headonviewpodcast #midwife #midwifery #podcast #nursingpodcast #midwifepodcast #nurselife #midwifelife #nurse #nursing #studentmidwife #studentnurse #lifeasamidwife #physiotherapy #womenshealthphysio #fitnestmama

Hello and welcome to 2024 and Season 4 of our little pod. Laura + Carly are catching up on life.  Laura's filling us in on her new job as a LC for a local council, thinking about her next contract and reflecting on her last one.  We discuss MGP contracts, the pay, being on call, life/work balance....it's alot!!!  Carly updates on her travel life, her current contract, internet dramas, agency dramas and where we're heading next. Enjoy and we've got lots of great guests lined up this year.  

OK it's only taken 2 months to edit and upload this....but here it is!!!! Let's catch up.....life updates from Carly + Laura.....and today's "guests" are us!!!!! Laura has come to the dark side and is in on her first ever travel contract. So if you've ever thought about dipping your toes into the travel world, have a listen and get a little glimpse into contract life. We're giving all our best travel tips: agency tips, packing tips....make sure you pack a mirror!!!!

S3 Ep7: Today we chatted with Stephanie from The True You.   Steph talks about experiencing bullying growing up, bullying within the workplace and being with a narcissistic partner and how that changed her outlook on life and affected her self-esteem.  We delve into her journey with mental health and chronic pain. Steph has an offer for Head On View listeners:  The 1st listener to contact Steph via Instagram @_thetrueyou_ will receive an emotional health check for FREE.  Anyone else can book a session in with Steph for the discounted price of $97, normally $300 - use link below to book in  https://calendly.com/meetthetrueyou/60min?back=1&month=2023-08 #positiveaffirmations #luckygirlsyndrome #manifestations #toxicworkplace #loveyourself #creatrix #transformologist #headonview #midwifery #nursing #midwifepodcast #nursepodcast #studentmidwife #studentnurse #travelmidwife 

S3 Ep6: Hindsight.....always a wonderful thing. I'm looking back at my last contract, but with a few months passing, I'm in a much more positive frame of mind. And...da da da....Laura is joining the ranks of travel midwifing. The ranting is at a minimum!!!! I've moved states from NSW to QLD, and now dealing with transitioning from working online to going back to full paper based. Are we turning into a travel midwife podcast???!!! Maybe but that's ok!!! side note: I'm behind on the uploads as we're still talking about Penny being pregnant!!!!

S3 Ep5.  Hey besties....grab your wine, rant incoming (yes this was recorded a couple of months ago, and I'm very inconsistent with uploads...so thanks for sticking with us)  ....First...Penny has some news...twins due very soon. I was clearly having a bad day when we recorded this....you know those days when you just need to come home and vent....Well here I am....get me off my high horse

It's been a minute....Laura's back.......it's tea time.... ☕️ We are taking a deep dive into Laura's life....so for all those ladies (or men) out there who have relationships that haven't turned out as you thought...you are not alone. We're talking red flags ~ they are flying high with this one

In today's ep I'm chatting with Catie Harris. Catie is a US based NursePreneur Mentor who has empowered thousands of nurses in business to monetise their knowledge and skills while inspiring them to change the way healthcare is perceived and delivered. I'm delving into Catie's history, her nursing experience, how she ended up where she is now. Catie strives to undo the perception that nursing care is limited to the hospital setting. Through her intensive nurse business coaching program, Catie shows nurses around the world how their hard-earned knowledge and skills can step outside the hospital system into a profitable business. You can find Catie here Website:  https://www.nursepreneurs.com/ Social Media: • Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/groups/nursebusiness • Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/nurse_preneur/ • Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CatieHarris/videos • Pinterest - https://www.pinterest.ph/nursepreneurs/

In this week's ep I'm chatting with Midwife Tylah. We're diving deep into Tylah's life.....when did she know she wanted to be a midwife, filming One Born Every Minute, living and working in Alice Springs, social media, opportunities for direct entry midwives.... You can follow Tylah here ⬇️⬇️⬇️ insta + tiktok: @midwife_tylah youtube: https://youtube.com/@midwifetylah8442

We are BACK.....welcome to season 3, in 2023......when I say we I mean me (Carly)....grab your wine, have a chuckle - I break a chair - it's that intense!!!!!

Although technically it's a new year and now 2023.....here's our final pod from 2022.....although we didn't realise this was our final one!!!! so, it's not our normal wrap up....but more rando convos with Carly, Laura and Penny. We're chatting married life, MGP - tales of agency life, continuity of care and rambling off on random tangents. Enjoy

It's that weird time between Christmas and New Year's when as midwives we're still living our best shiftworker life and everyone else around you are on holidays and spending their days drinking and eating cheese. So in case you're bored and/or need a family break...stick your headphones on, take a walk and listen to us talk shit.

And the saga continues..... more tales from Carly's travelling midwife life.....driving back across the Nullarbor, cancelled contracts, getting ghosted by my agency - not once but twice!!!!!! When your agency shows you all the red flags - but like my 18-year-old self in the dating world - I keep going back!!!

S2 Ep13: Surrogacy - Today Carly is chatting with Nadine about surrogacy. Nadine is a surrogate and currently pregnant. I'm asking all the questions you're wanting to know.....why are you a surrogate? what are the laws? do you get paid? how have health professionals responded to you? who will be at the birth? are you going to breastfeed? would you do it again? You can follow Nadine on insta here @the.nadine.manzella and her massage business here @envy_therapies Since recording this ep, Nadine has birthed a healthy baby girl - congrats to Nadine and the parents

S2 E12 - This week we're chatting about Carly's trials and tribulations with agency work....what happens when you go somewhere and it's not how you pictured it??? How does agency life really work - we're exploring all the annoying negative aspects of agency work - because although it's great - things aren't always sunshine and rainbows - so here's a realistic look at agency life. And as usual there's a lot of random chat too!!!!

Something a little different for you this week. We're chatting to Maple, Maple is a sex worker and is telling us all about her job. How she got into the sex industry, what her partner thinks of her job, coming to Australia, the move from porn to being a sugar baby to working in a brothel. We had such a great chat with Maple - but we recorded this whilst Carly was in the NSW outback - and unfortunately the internet was pretty non-existent and this was all that could be salvaged......if you want to hear more from Maple - let us know and we'll get her back for another chat - and we promise to make sure we've got stable internet!!!!!! You can find Maple here tiktok @maple_w00d twitter @MissMapleBrook insta @missmaple_w00d

Such a great chat with Indie, travel nurse.....we cover it all: how Indie got into nursing, lockdown in Melbourne, how she discovered travel nursing, the difference between a rural hospital and a busy metro hospital, bullying within agency nursing, building her troopy. If you've ever been interested in travel nursing have a listen and give Indie a follow on insta @itsindiep you can also find all Indie's socials here https://linktr.ee/itsindiep

Today we're chatting with Alley. Alley is a nurse from NZ who combines working as a nurse with acting. We take a dive into how Alley manages working across two very different fields. You can follow Alley on insta + tiktok @alleyquirkynurse.

The stars have aligned and you have all 3 of us. Join us for an unorganised debrief.....catching up on all that we've been up to....holidays, work, what we've seen in the news (ie. Facebook!!!!). Until next time

In today's ep we're chatting with Nikita fellow travelling midwife. Nikita trained in New Zealand and is now travel midwifing (i'm sure that is a word!!!) around Australia. After feeling burnt out she decided to give travel midwifery a go and here we are. We're talking about the differences between working in NZ and Aus, having a better work/life balance and all the travel stories. If you've ever thought about doing travel midwifery, or if you just want to hear the stories, grab a vino, settle in and have a listen.

In this ep we're chatting with Jess queer midwife, researcher and childbirth educator.   Jess talks about her own birth experience and her work with queer and trans families.  We're looking at our experiences as midwives, what can we do to be allies, the language we're using, how we treat partners - are we inadvertently not being allies? Everyone regardless of gender/how they identify deserves a safe space to birth.

it's debrief time.....I (Carly) had a few days in Melbourne and amazingly managed to brunch with some of my favourite middies. Laura and I chat about my Tassie travels, covid, going overseas, working life...of course we talk about staffing issues ... because when are they ever going to end?

Today I'm chatting with Crysta @plantbased_motherhood from www.firsttastenutrition.com.  Crysta, originally from the US is a plant based prenatal dietician, she works with women throughout all stages of pregnancy and also with families postnatally.  We're chatting about moving to Australia, setting up her business, the differences between care in the USA and Australia. As midwifes we get very little dietary and nutritional training and anywhere I've worked it's never been the norm to refer pregnant people to dieticians.  Although we will check levels of things like iron, Vit D and B12 and advise of supplementation there's so much more you need to know. What foods should we be recommending to increase intake of?  I've first hand seen bad/incorrect nutritional advice given.  And what about our hospitals?  Shouldn't good nutrition start there?  Has anyone worked at a hospital with amazing, healthy food choices?  Great nutritional information can help women and babies thrive. As the old adage says "Food is medicine".

Today I'm chatting with Vicky Stewart, Vicky is an enrolled nurse who after many years in the industry became an activist and workplace rep. Vicky has been heavily involved with the union movement. The moment we become students in nursing and midwifery, we're told about the bullying culture and that "nurse's eat their young". From the start we're learning and accepting to be undervalued. How can we change the culture? Can it be changed? Her experiences led Vicky to set up Nursing and Midwifery Advocacy Solutions. You can find her business here https://nursingandmidwiferyadvocacy.com.au. She is also admin of the Facebook group Nurse and Midwives Against Bullying Australia (NAMABA https://www.facebook.com/groups/2527227290869235). In this current climate of double shifts, unpaid overtime, chronic understaffing....this is a must listen. Know your rights, protect and value yourself.

A day in the life.....RN/paramedic & CCU RN We're chatting to Grace @graceaus and Erin @ _emacd both RNs in CCU.  Grace works as a RN and a paramedic and Erin started as an EN and is now a RN.  If you've ever wondered what a day in the life of a paramedic and CCU nurse is like, have a listen.   We're talking rosters, 12 hour shifts, the impact of Covid, work/life balance and more.  So grab a glass of your favourite beverage and settle in for a chat.

In true Head On View style we are doing our year in review 2 months into the new year.   So what does 2022 hold for us.... and how was 2021? Shout out to @making_a_midwife our most popular ep last year. 2021 had us living through lockdowns, pandemic, code brown, home schooling, cancelled holidays. What's coming in 2022??? @thestrawberrysquirrel has launched her lactation consultant business @thesweetest_drop the borders to WA are finally open and Laura is off to see her fam, and is eating all the

Making a midwife....midwifery through a student's eyes: It's our final poddy for the year.....we're chatting with Bonnie and Megan from @making_a_midwife, we chat about studying midwifery via distance learning, support (or the lack of) on placement, finances, crazy rosters - how to fit it all in to your life.  If you're a midwifery/nursing student, thinking about studying mid/nursing or work with students, have a listen and give Bonnie & Meg a follow.   As always, any comments, questions, thoughts, let us know. We'll be back in the New Year, have a fabulous Xmas, and now that borders are open again here in Aus we might even get a cheeky holiday in.

Ep 17: Induction. Are you booked for an induction?  Did you have an induction and know what to expect?  Do you know why you're having an induction?  What is an induction?  What's going to happen?  Risks/benefits? So many questions, did you get the answers you wanted/needed?  Hopefully we can answer some of those questions, or at least point you in the direction of questions to ask your midwife or doctor. 46.8% of women in Australia have their labour induced, and compared to if you have a spontaneous labour, there's a higher chance of having an instrumental birth or a caesarean. Enjoy and let us know if you have any questions 

Ep 16: Young mums.  Had a great chat with Alison, who had her first child at 15,  she's now a mum of 4 and a midwife.  We're talking about stigma, and how life changed; school, friends, body, home life.  Alison shares her views on being separated into a 'Young mum's' antenatal group, treatment by health professionals and her varying pregnancy experiences.   

Ep 15:  The Nourished Nurses. We're chatting with Jess and Xana from The Nourished Nurses.  We're talking about how The Nourished Nurses started, Jess and Xana's experiences in travel nursing, working in corrections, navigating travel nursing during Covid with lockdowns and border closures.  We take a deep dive into working in the prison system as a nurse......it's nothing like Wentworth!!!!!  We had an absolute blast recording this ep, hope you all enjoy.  You can follow Jess and Xana here ⤵️⤵️⤵️⤵️⤵️⤵️ Instagram.com/the.nourished.nurses https://www.facebook.com/thenourishednurses/ https://nourishednurse.com.au/ and give their poddy a follow "Keep your gin up

This week we're chatting about other people's opinions, what do they think when we say "I'm a midwife", how do strangers react? How did our partners react when we became/told them we're a midwife? As usual we do veer off topic, so grab a glass of vino, kick back, relax and wind down.

Ep 13: Paralysed and pregnant.   Today we're chatting with Amanda,  mum of one, with another on the way, lecturer, animal lover, wife and paraplegic.   Amanda was in an accident as a child, is technically an incomplete paraplegic, which means her spinal cord is intact but has no feeling in her legs,  but does have feelings in her abdomen. We're chatting about Amanda's experience in getting pregnant,  being pregnant,  giving birth and life in general.  If you want to follow Amanda you can find her here ⤵️

CW... We will be discussing birth trauma in this episode. 1 in 3 Australian women identify their birthing experience as traumatic, and yet there still seems to be a lack of support and understanding. We hope that providing honest information we're helping families to become educated which is a first step to avoiding trauma, by being informed. Trauma is such an individual experience, what's traumatic to one person may not be to another. It's also important to acknowledge that as midwives we too can experience and be effected by trauma.

CW: In this episode we will talk about an incident of stillbirth. When most people go to work if they make a mistake, it's not the end of the world. But as health professionals a medication error can have serious consequences. We're talking about a well publicised incident that happened in WA when a pregnant woman was given 10 x the regular dose of morphine, resulting in a stillbirth. Link to the original article: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-16/wa-mother-who-had-stillbirth-after-morphine-dose-recounts-ordeal/13064128?utm_campaign=news-article-share-control&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web

Let's have a covid catchup......with 2/3 of us in lockdown ......again.....there's nothing better than having a zoom catchup with plenty of wine. Although let's be honest after about the first 5 minutes we really are just talking shit!!!!! So join us for some light relief and Melbourne we'll see you on the other side.