Podcasts about nurse ratchet

In this episode, we chat with Georgia, a perioperative nurse based in Melbourne who is also known for her popular TikTok account. Georgia shares her journey into nursing, which started in her 30s, and how her initial dream of a career in performing arts shifted to healthcare. The discussion covers her varied experiences in different nursing roles, including working in anesthetics and recovery, both during and post-COVID. Georgia also delves into the challenges and rewards of agency nursing, the dynamics within perioperative departments, and dealing with difficult personalities. Additionally, she opens up about the impact of her growing social media presence, including the conflicts it has caused with employers and how she navigates online criticism. You can follow Georgia on tiktok @georgiakait and listen to her true crime podcast Nurse Ratchet.

Usually on the Medicare for All Podcast, we talk about people who want healthcare but can't get it, but today we're talking about people getting healthcare they have specifically refused: folks who have been involuntarily committed. For plenty of our listeners, the idea of being held against your will at a psychiatric institution feels like a nightmare from another time – something out of gothic fiction or horror movies set far in the past. But for folks struggling with mental illness in 21st century America, the terrifying prospect of psychiatric commitment is alive and well. In fact, a 2020 UCLA study found that in the 25 states where they actually keep data on this, the numbers of involuntary psych detentions have been sharply rising in recent years. Today, we're joined by two experts in this dark corner of our healthcare system to talk about why so many people are getting committed and who is reaping the benefits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjXjCSIM_2E Show Notes Originally from Massachusetts Jesse Mangan has experienced a few different psychiatric hospitalizations and has spent over two decades struggling with the impacts of those experiences, so now he produces a podcast about mental health laws called Committable. Rob Wipond is a freelance journalist who writes frequently on the interfaces between psychiatry, civil rights, policing, surveillance and privacy, and social change. His articles have been nominated for seventeen magazine and journalism awards. He is also the author of the 2023 book Your Consent Is Not Required: The Rise in Psychiatric Detentions, Forced Treatment, and Abusive Guardianships. Jesse shares how he came to have so much (unwanted) expertise in psychiatric commitments, and how he turned that experience into a podcast, Committable. He was involuntarily committed and held longer than the standard of care dictated, past the date his insurance ran out. He was finally discharged with no real discharge plan and a big bill. Rob tells us he's been writing about mental health for a couple of decades. He says that the media typically portrays people who have been committed as really out of touch with reality, but he's found that they're far more like the rest of us. He watched his dad - who had no history of mental illness - go through a catastrophic health crisis that led to a depressive episode. Rob tells us that his dad was held and treated against his will for months. This happened in Canada where healthcare is guaranteed, so it's a more complex problem than just enacting the right financing system. A lot of people tend to think of psychiatric commitment as a barbaric tactic from the bad old days – like Nurse Ratchet in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest – but this is obviously a practice that continues to this day. It's more common now for people to be held for a few days, rather than months or years on end. We only have data on these commitments from 25 states, but they show that these kind of commitments are rising dramatically. Jesse explains that due to disability rights activism and investigative journalism, a number of federal cases in the 1970s established some basic due process standards for patients. At the same time the mental health system became increasingly privatized and our understanding of mental health changed dramatically. The expense of due process became a factor - as soon as a case reaches a court hearing, private providers become more likely to release the patient because of cost. State mental health laws have given a lot of authority to law enforcement and providers to detain patients on an emergency basis without a due process check until the point the facility wants to hold the patient beyond the emergency period (in many states 72 hours). The justification for holding these patients are often very vague and broad, posing a risk to many Americans. Mental healthcare in this country isn't a clearly defined system.

Hurricane Beryl dealt a blow to our hometown but 36 hours after it passed Hooks & Runs is on schedule against all odds. This week, Craig and Rex riffing on the upcoming Baseball Hall of Fame inductees, Adrián Beltré, Todd Helton, Jim Leyland and Joe Mauer (with an obligatory dig along the way on Journey and Bon Jovi from Craig), speculating about Ichiro's chances for unanimous induction, Billy Wagner's chance for induction at all in 2025, updating plans for the podcast's College Football Preview episode and looking over our best of second quarter album selections. Errata: Craig guessed right - the HOF induction is July 21. Adrián Beltré also played for the Dodgers and Red Sox. Mark Grace slashed .303/.383/.442 for his career; Will Clark slashed .303/.384/.497. On the road, Todd Helton slashed .287/.386/.469. The Marlins won their second World Series title in 2003, not 2001. Jim Leyland's record in Detroit was 700-597 in eight seasons. Saul Zaentz owned Fantasy Records and produced "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest." Rex meant to say "Nurse Ratchet." We bleeped the player Craig called "the baseball equivalent of Journey" because Craig thinks he's actually a better player than that. Craig meant to say "ERA plus" not "OPS."Best of Second QuarterCraig's PicksHonorable Mention - Outlander, "Acts of Harm"Selection - DIIV, "Frog in Boiling Water"Rex's pickKerry King - "From Hell I Rise"Episodes Mentioned:189 - Baseball, Chemical Warfare and The Great War w/ Jim Leeke 167 - College Football Preview: It's All an Arms Race w/ Gabey Lucas 115 - On College Football's Changing Landscape w/ Grant McGalliard (Purple Theory) -->Join our Discord: https://discord.gg/tT8d3pVUsN-->You can support Hooks & Runs by purchasing books, including the books featured in this episode, through our store at Bookshop.org. Here's the link. https://bookshop.org/shop/hooksandruns Hooks & Runs - www.hooksandruns.comHooks & Runs on TikTok -  https://www.tiktok.com/@hooksandrunsHooks & Runs on Twitter - https://twitter.com/thehooksandrunsRex von Pohl (Krazy Karl's Music Emporium) on Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/people/Krazy-Karlz-Music-Emporium/100063801500293/ Hosts Emeritus:Andrew Eckhoff on Tik TokLink: https://www.tiktok.com/@hofffest Eric on FacebookLink: https://www.facebook.com/ichabodericMusic: "Warrior of Light" by ikolics (Premium Beat)     This podcast and this episode are copyright Craig Estlinbaum, 

You know that voice in your head that says you're not good enough? Shay Kent calls hers "Nurse Ratchet," and on my latest podcast episode, she shares her strategy for shutting it down. Her ABI method (Awareness, Breakthrough, Inspired action) is a game-changer for women looking to crush those limiting beliefs. "Inspired action over massive action." That's Shay's mantra and, frankly, it's refreshing. We also talked about why hustling hard isn't always the answer and how intuition can be your most powerful guide. Tune in as we explore how to make big impacts with mindful steps. Shay Kent is a passionate author and speaker dedicated to empowering women to live their best lives. With a background in entertainment and entrepreneurship, she's had to learn to exude confidence even when she didn't feel it. Because of that she's worked on feature films, spoken on stages, started a few businesses, flipped 6 houses in 2 years, owns multiple homes, moved across the country to the beach on a minute's notice, become a mom at 41 and penned a book in a month. Her mission is to inspire 1 million women to stop settling and start living their dream lives through “Edutainment” (education and entertainment). She aims to start a movement! Author of, She Is You: Unleash the Confident Successful Woman Within. Connect with Shay!Instagram FacebookYouTube TikTok

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Is Nurse Ratched one of the greatest villains of all time or employee of the month? This week our hosts band together to discuss Ken Kesey's classic, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. They diagnose if Nurse Ratchet really intended to help the men on the ward or if McMurphy's infectious, yet questionable spirit was the true force to help these insecure inmates find their voice. For Extra Credit, Evanna Lynch who plays Luna Lovegood in the Harry Potter series reminds these Millennial downers to see the book as hopeful and why laughing keeps us all from going "plumb crazy".

Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are joined by triple board certified psychiatist Dr. Sulman Mirza AKA @thekicksshrink. We are blown away by the lasting impact of this movie from 1975 on the field of psychiatry and psychology. We discuss the sociopathy of Randle McMurphy and the iconic villain, Nurse Ratchet. We wrap it up with our frustration in the field, both in the past and present...like with lobotomies, ETC depictions, ODD diagnoses and more. We hope you enjoy! Instagram Tik Tok Website Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fieri, a psychiatrist. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: There is so much misinformation out there and it drives us nuts. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn and your DSM Five and enjoy. Welcome back to Analyze scripts. We are so excited you're joining us today for an episode about the classic, I guess I think in a Bad Way film, one Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. We're thrilled to be joined by Dr. Sulman Merza, who is a triple board certified psychiatrist with expertise in psychiatry, child and adolescent psychiatry, and addiction medicine. I would call that a triple threat. He completed his psychiatry residency at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia. His Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Fellowship at the University of Maryland and Shepherd Pratt Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland. He's had the privilege to work in a variety of settings, from inpatient psychiatric units with medical capabilities to the classrooms of Baltimore City Public schools. He's learned from some of the leaders and pioneers in the field of psychiatry, and his experiences have allowed him to develop a deep understanding of neuropsychiatric conditions in both children and adults. And he has a keen knack for the Internet, and you can find him at the Kick Shrink on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube. And I have to say, Sulan, I love your videos. I feel like they're very visually appealing. But also the content is so great. You really have a way of putting out a lot of really accurate, detailed information in a really entertaining, easy to digest way, and I think that is really hard to do. So I just want to give you some props for that. I don't know if we still say props, but I feel like I'm really impressed. We can still say that. No, I'm really honestly impressed. I feel like you have themes where you do medication. Saturday, I'm not going to remember all the names off the top of my head, but then there's like, historical lessons. There's a lot of good info about ADHD I've told you offline. I love your stuff about WWE. I think it's really great. So I hope everyone goes to check them out. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. Thank you both for having me on here. Really excited I came across you guys, I was like, oh, my God, I love the movies and entertainment and pop culture. And I was like, this is and I love kind of bringing psychiatry psychology into all of that because so much of that is present. So I was like, let's see if we can collaborate on something. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. No, we're thrilled. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And we chose this movie and book. So the book came out in 1962 with the movie 1975. I had never seen this movie, but I had heard of it, which I think is part of our discussion with how powerful this was that kind of shaping people's views of psychiatry inpatient care and treatments. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right, right. I think it's so true. We were talking about with Dr. Jesse Gold in our most recent episode about season two of Yellow Jackets, which has another awful scene about ECT. Again, just how this film has permeated through our culture. Even if you haven't seen it, like, you're saying you haven't seen it, but you know of it, and it's like it's had this really long lasting, unfortunate impact, which is ironic because apparently it won a Bazillion. Academy Awards, made a lot of money, it was very well received, it won all these awards, and yet it was awful in terms of its portrayal of mental health care. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. The history of film, it's one of the few movies that has gotten has won the big five awards, right. Best picture, best director, best actor, best actress and then best adapted screenplay. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: In history. I think there's only this and I think maybe one or two other movies that have won all of those big five. And then I think when AFI American Film Institute does their top hundred films, or top hundred, whatever, this is always one of those top movies. I think Nurse Ratchet will talk about her in a bit. She's gone down as one of the top ten villains in film history of all time, right up there with Hannibal Lecter and another psychiatrist and Darth Vader. So it's like Darth Vader and Hannibal Ectos. You can see how powerful this is in our culture and our history. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah, that's so true. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And the name so right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Like, people say things are ratchet, like, oh, that's so ratchet. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And I was like, Is that from this? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: That's a great question. Portia Pendleton LCSW: I don't know, like, Nurse Ratchet or like, even again, like, not seeing the film. It's pretty old right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: At this point. What's, 30 coming up in 50 years? Portia Pendleton LCSW: It's still impacting today in some very strange ways that I think people have no idea about. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. Isn't that fascinating that it's had such a long lasting effect? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. So again, when I watched it the other day, I was like, man, first of all, I was like, this movie is like almost 50 years old, right. Seeing the cast members, I was like, oh, my God, this person is gone. This person is dead. This person is dead. And for a lot of these actors in there, some of them were like christopher Lloyd, I think, made his view in this movie. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yes. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Billy the character, Brad Durh, who played Billy Bibbitt, that was like his movie debut. You see a young Danny DeVito in there. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: I didn't even catch that until the end credits, I was like, oh my God, that was Danny DeVito. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: That was Danny DeVito. Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Was this Jack Nicholson's first movie or. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: I'm imagining was I think he was pretty established by that time, but I think this was the one maybe he won his first award for and the one that really was like, oh, this guy is a superstar now. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. Portia Pendleton LCSW: So first impressions? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: You said you were not pleased. Portia Pendleton LCSW: I mean, I don't think very much. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: You know, what's interesting is we just recorded and we'll have released an episode about Girl Interrupted, and then we're watching this one and I was like, oh, this is so fascinating because it's like similar time periods and they're both on inpatient hospital units. And I thought it just is interesting, the timing. Know, with Girl Interrupted, we really focus on borderline personality disorder and Winona Ryder's character, know, some antisocial personality disorder discussion with Angelina Jolie's character. And again, here we're finding the male view of antisocial personality disorder with Jack Nicholson's character, Randall McMurphy. So it was just interesting to sort of see again how they depicted an inpatient psychiatric unit, which I thought the environment was pretty accurate for those times. And still today it hasn't changed much. But I was struck immediately by, again, the nurses wearing their white clothes, which again, accurate for the time, not so much these days. All the orderlies I felt like were going to burst into a barbershop quartet song or serve me some ice cream with their little bow ties and stuff. But I feel like overall, when I rewatch this movie, it just makes me so sad to just see sort of how they portray the coercive nature of mental health treatment, especially ECT, the medication, so everything feels so punitive. That I think makes me really sad watching it as a psychiatrist and I don't think is accurate based on my experiences inpatient units. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, especially for today. Again, this was before my time. This is before I was born that this movie came out. No way to really tell what it was like, but it's this bizarre feeling of like, man, this is the image that has been there and permeated the culture of what this was. And I think when we were probably before enter our residency, and we're like, you get a little bit scared of going on the psychiatric floor for the first time as a med student, you're like, oh my God, what's it going to be like? Again, for those of us who have not been on an inpatient psychiatric floor, you're like, what is it going to be like? How are people going to be? Is it going to be like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? And then you get in there and you're like, oh, wait, it's not like that. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right? Yeah. I thought even the patients on the unit, the way they were depicted, I just thought was very stigmatizing and inhumane. And inaccurate. It felt like I had a hard time figuring out what each of the people like, what their diagnoses were, and they just sort of came across as being I don't know, how would you describe them? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Some of them were caricatures, right? I think we had the one patient who had been lobotomized who was just kind of there as the quote unquote vegetable. And then you have the know, the one guy, older guy who's just kind of dancing the entire time. You have Mr. Harding, I think is the closeted homosexual. And then you have some know, Billy Bibbitt is like the Stutterer. So again, you have these kind of caricatures that show up in you know, it's like, is it good? Is it bad? And not always. I think something from the book that's always just kind of lost in people is I think, if I remember correctly, I read the book, like, in high school, and I quickly did like a Wikipedia before this, just to kind of refresh a little bit. Yeah. And I was like, the book is told from the point of view of Chief, right, who in the book is a paranoid schizophrenic. Right. You have all this other he's got these conspiracy theories and this kind of bizarre delusions of how the world is being run, which none of that comes. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Across in Totally Lost. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, he's totally depicted as like, oh, he's just this quote unquote Indian, right, native American that can't talk. And it's one of the worst kind of things I think we've seen as psychiatrists or in the field is you get consults on people who are non English speaking and people are like, what's wrong with this person? They're not understanding what I'm saying. You know what? Again, it's just like, oh, you just didn't use the interpreter line. You didn't take the time to bother to find out how they communicate. But that was kind of the image in my mind. I was like, wow, this poor guy. Chief got thrown into the mental health or into the psychiatric unit because nobody could communicate with him. And that's what he's here for and he's just kind of gone along with it. There's no way to tell at all that he's schizophrenic in the movie at all. Right? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Whereas I think in the book I also read it a long time ago, so I don't quite remember, but I believe there was a lot more dialogue about his paranoid thoughts, even if he wasn't saying them. You were getting that background, whereas even in the movie, you just see him sweeping a lot. Like, he doesn't seem especially paranoid. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: No, not at all. Again, in the movie, he's depicted as like this, again, totally normal person who just ended up there for some reason because he's, quote, deaf and dumb. And again, nobody can communicate with him. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And it's like, I don't think that's how you end up on a psychiatric unit. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Right. That's sometimes how you hopefully, again, you may get that random psych consult just because, again, some surgery resident will be like, I can't talk with the person. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: They must be bipolar. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, they must be a bipolar. Or they must be like something. Or they're just like, no, they just don't speak English. Which I think we all have our stories. Portia Pendleton LCSW: We saw that in Side Effects right at the beginning. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: So there's a gentleman who's brought into the Er who had attacked, they said, like a cab driver because he thought. Portia Pendleton LCSW: He had seen his father. And in that culture, there's a lot of ghosts and seeing relatives and elders. The psychiatrist in that movie, this is a good depiction, started speaking, I think, French or Creole and was able and then was able to understand what actually happened then was like, you don't need to keep him cuffed, so on and so forth. So that was a good depiction. Know what we didn't see here, maybe, right? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. What were your first impressions, Sulman, about Jack Nicholson's character? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: It's interesting because he's the main character. He's the hero of the film, per se. Right. The main protagonist of the film is this guy who's going to come onto the unit and rabble rouse and free all the patients who are there. And he has this idea that, again, these people are held there against their will, when actually he's the one who's being involuntarily committed. He's the one who's being held there. They have that moment in therapy where everyone was like, oh, I'm actually here because I want to be here. And it's kind of eye opening experience for him. And I think people kind of like in the beginning, or people will kind of forget that he's really a terrible person. Right? He's there because he's done these terrible crimes. He's a pedophile, for lack of a better term. He's committed statutory rape. And he's kind of reveled in the fact that he's being very graphic in describing the situation that occurred with this 15 year old girl. And you're just like, oh, wow, this guy is really a dirt bag. He's really not a good person. And he's committed all these crimes and he's lying to get out of prison so that he can be in, again, this vacation, quote unquote, that he thinks he's going to be on the mental health ward and he's going to dupe everybody. And you're like, wow, this guy is really antisocial. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: But then he's portrayed again, this charismatic person who's going to free all these people. So he's, again, not taking into consideration the impact of his actions and how Billy ends up not spoiler, but ends up completing suicide at the end of the movie. So by kind of accidents of what happened during the course of the film and that last night that they were there, right? Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: I mean, I thought this was a good depiction of antisocial personality disorder in terms of the fact that people with these traits can be very charismatic, right? Like, that's how Ted Bundy lured all his victims, right. And I thought also that initial scene between McMurphy and the psychiatrist, who again, was an older white man, I thought his office was pretty spot on for what a psychiatrist's office probably looks, know? But you even see, like, trying to weasel his way in by commenting on the photos yes. About the fish he won and all this stuff. And you just see his true lack of remorse or empathy right away when the psychiatrist says, well, you've been in jail for five assaults, and there's this rape charge. And just the provocative, uncomfortable way he talks about that whole thing, I think gives you all the info you need to say, like, I think you got antisocial personality disorder and you're malingering. I don't know what more they could have done for him. And yet they keep him there, and it's like they want to help. But do they? It's unclear. And I wonder at the time of. Portia Pendleton LCSW: The movie, too, now, I mean, how his description of the child that he was with was so gross that that stayed with me for the rest of the film. But I'm wondering, too, even at the times, I think, why he won. And part of the reason why the movie did so well is because you kind of go back and forth with hating him and liking him. He wants to free people from their oppressed system, nurse Ratchet. And I think it's kind of interesting. He's like this horrible person, but then you're like, I would imagine some people, even maybe more so in the 70s, are like, rooting for him to free the patient. And it's interesting. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, absolutely. He is portrayed like he is the protagonist of the film, right. He is the hero. He's like the guy that, again, you're rooting for him and at the end, again, not to go into spoiler territory, but when he gets lobotomized, you're like, oh, I feel bad for him, right, a little bit. But at the same time, again, you are rooting for him and you're going along for him during the whole movie. And yeah, it is problematic. Absolutely. And it's really interesting when you look at it from when the book was written and the author, Ken Kesey is his name, right. He goes, know, again, a lot of what he was doing was a lot about how the themes are like, you're supposed to be against society, against this oppressive society, and about being the individual and being a real man, quote, unquote. So, again, all the masculinity aspects that come up in this and how society has castrated the man of today, right. That's some of the themes that are in the book, in the movie. So that's there and Ken Kesey goes on to in his life become this proponent of psychelic drugs and how we have to use again these substances to find this other sense of reality individuality when it's like you're kind of talking about a psychiatric facility and medications and then you're like, but no, we're going to use LSD and we're going to use still all the hallucinogenics and psychedelics to reach this altered sense of being too. So it's double standard, double that comes out. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Which interestingly, I think is still attention in the field today, right? Like I still think we encounter this a lot, people maybe who've had negative experiences with mental health care or haven't felt fully helped or fully heard or understood. And there is more and more research into psychedelics and the tools, how they can be helpful, but it's still a big gray zone and I think that tension is still felt even 50 years later. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, absolutely. Again, I'm very much keeping my ear to the field of this in my own clinical practice, like I do at my practice we do Spravata, which is the intranasal ketamine, and I've seen fantastic results from it. So it's really kind of been like, oh, there's something to this, right? There's some legitimacy to what this is. And I think as a field and as a society, we're absolutely robbed of decades of research, what could have been done when we criminalized all these substances. So I think there's some truth to it. But at the same time, just as many success stories we hear there's so many horror stories of things and just because everything is because everything is regulated so much, we're not able to, again, do proper research and get, again, really effective dosing the quality control that comes when you're buying illicit substances or black market substances, right? That's where the problems come. Because then you get people who are like, well, I'll just go do shrooms on the weekend and I'll be all good. Why do I need to microdose prozac? Right? I'll do this and so and then things, right? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Exactly. So one thing I found myself wondering while watching this movie is that relationship dynamic between Mick Murphy and Nurse Ratchet is really central to the film. And at first I found Nurse Ratchet to be so comforting, like the way she spoke and the way she just looked at you and she seemed so gentle and so well put together. But as the film goes on, you see this more sadistic side to her. And first of all, I don't think the nurse runs the therapy sessions on a unit. Usually that's done by a trained therapist. So that was a really interesting, huge error in the film. But then also she had so much control and is really depicted as being a pretty sadistic person and using all these types of severe punishments like ECT and the lobotomies, even the medications in a manipulative, cruel way. And I found myself wondering, is that who she really is or did he pull this out of her with his own behaviors? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: I think this was who she was, because I think we see it even in that first group therapy session where she's weaponizing these people, the patients kind of their insecurities. I think she's like one of those people who, again, has a little bit more therapeutic training than a typical nurse on the unit may have. But she's really weaponizing it against some of the kind of defense mechanisms, some of the what's it called? I can't even think of the word right now. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: But she's weaponizing their vulnerabilities. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, she's weaponizing their vulnerabilities against them. And again, it is this aspect, again, when we come to the and this was there from the first scene, from the first group therapy scene, you see it like she picks on I think it was Mr. Harding, and that's with his wife being your wife, why do you think your wife is cheating on you? And then they have the whole discussion, and then it's like, well, actually, I think this is the reason why, and this is what's happening, and cuts really deep to the core. And I think you see McMurphy picks up on that. He's kind of there as a passive bystander observer in the first group therapy session. He's like, let me kind of see what the situation is and let me see who the characters are and what everybody is. And then I think he picks up, they're like, oh, this person is evil, too, in her own way. And he's like, now we're going to kind of compete a little bit to see who's really running really going to run the unit. She's got the one who's got, again, the backing, the strength behind her as well. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. It's almost like he's found his match. He could sense, like, they both share this sadistic side, and it just comes out in these different ways. And again, I think very gender normative type of ways, perhaps. But I think you're right from the beginning, nurse Ratchet can pick up those vulnerabilities in the patients and does use it to her advantage. And then that made me wonder, like, are these people really here voluntarily, or does she have this hold on? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, because I think there's that aspect, too, where, again, they all say, we could we can leave at any time, but they've been conditioned to feel like they're not ready to go. Right. Especially, again, Billy is one of the kind of the main characters, in a way, in that she's like, oh, me and your mom are old friends. What would she think, again? Which, again, leads to his fate, in a way. Well, directly to his fate. But again, it's the things that she does, again, grabbing onto these vulnerabilities and really kind of keeping all the patients where they're at. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Not allowing them to progress. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right, exactly. Portia Pendleton LCSW: You see that in the group dynamic. It makes sense why, but she seemed to be kind of like, rationing everything up instead of kind of rationing everything up. That was not intentional, but afraid there. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Instead of removing right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: A group member. Portia Pendleton LCSW: I've run a good amount of groups. It's like, okay, if someone seems like they're getting dysregulated, sometimes it's like, okay, maybe go meet with this person and come back. Or let's try to de escalate the group. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Like that scene with the cigarettes. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Yeah. And she's, like, continuing to dig at each one of them and kind of. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Pit them against each other. Yeah. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And that was not what group therapy is at all. And I think, again, just another depiction of it being really out of control and unsafe and scary and chaotic versus trying. The point of group work right. Is to feel safe or feel like. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Other people get it. Yeah. Learn not just from the group therapy leader, but also from each other in a healthy, safe way, and exactly. It was like that whole scene with the cigarettes where everything unravels. It's almost like she kind of knew what she was doing. And then, because they behave so crazy, now we can send these three troublemakers to get ECT. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: How do you feel about that depiction of ECT? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: If nothing else, the lasting legacy of the movie is the depiction of what ECT is in the mental health field. Which at that time again, I don't know what it was like, but that movie was in the mid seventy s and it was placed in the 60s or the time was in the 60s. So sure that that was even outdated kind of experience of what act was. ECT, that we do now, or at least I haven't done act in ten ish years, I think back since my residency training. 910 years. Yeah. That it's. So different, right? ECT so different. All the research is the most effective, safest kind of treatment that we have out there. Are there people who are going to have issues with memory and headaches? Sure. But those are, again, very small. And when we compare that to the medications that we have, which we know our medications are dirty in a way. Right. There's a lot of side effects that come a lot of times when we're doing med check visits as, like, a psychiatrist or an outpatient or going forward, it's like, Are you having side effects? Are you having side effects? What side effects are you having? Right. That's the majority of kind of, like, our sessions. It's like, well, how do we manage these side effects? And then, by the way, are you feeling less depressed or less anxious or something like that, too? But let's deal with the side effects. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: First, especially for things like antipsychotics. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. Which are just like, again, very dirty medications. In a way. When we find a medication that has minimal, mild to minimal side effects, we're like, okay, we can deal with this. Right. We can work with this. Now, we've found the thing that worked for us, an act, for the most part, again, super clean. Right. People do really well. The memory loss, again, can it occur? Sure. It doesn't happen often. Not so much. Right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And usually isn't it for the memory loss that you experience? Isn't it for the time, like right around getting the treatment? It's not your whole life you forget or you can never lay down in a memory. Isn't it like just around the time you're getting the treatment? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: That's the most common is, again, just the amnesia that occurs around the treatment. Of course. Are there people who have more severe memory loss or have other kind of injuries that occur? Sure. But again, those are the exceptions, more so than the rule. And again, not to minimize what they've gone through, but again, we always look at things as a risk benefit and a big picture kind of thing, right. But ECT works, right? It's got a greater success rate. It's again, super safe in pregnancy. It is the treatment of choice in pregnancy a lot of times, and then it can help for so many people, for things like catatonia, it is, again, the treatment of choice that works really well. So it's something that, again, when we try to recommend it to people, I'll have patients and I'm like, hey, I think we're at a point where we need to look at something like TT and they're like, one flu with Google's Nest. What are you talking about? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Every time, almost every single time, it. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Becomes this Pavlovian response, almost, where people are like, one flu over Googleness? What are you talking about? Nothing's wrong with I'm not crazy, I don't need to do that. And you're like, no. And you have to kind of undo what this movie has done because you're like, it's totally different. It's a controlled environment. It's totally voluntary. You have an anesthesiologist, you have a psychiatrist. You're going to be going under really briefly. The seizure is controlled. You have a muscle relaxant or you have what's it called, the medications that are there so that the seizure is just localized just to your ankle. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Sure. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: And somebody's there with you. And it's a very comforting thing. Right. You're not going to experience anything and you'll feel better. Right? And they're like, no, I could never do that. They're going to make me bite on this thing, and I'm going to shake and I'm going to break my bones, and I'm going to forget everything, and I'm going to be like a vegetable when I come out. And it's like, no, please just erase that from your memory. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: I know. I wish we could erase that from our conscious memory. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And even just like him going in there and there's like ten people in there, right? Like all the orderlies are in there ready to kind of restrain him, hold him down. Yeah. So even just like seeing that walking in the room again now, it's very. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Different, and he didn't know what was happening. I think that's what really jumped out at me the most this time is there was no informed consent. There was no explanation. It was like sending your yeah. In such a scare, like, they're just like, oh, we're going to put this conducted on your head, and we're here. Bite down on this. You could see how scared he was. And again, it's like, who wouldn't be, right? Who of us wouldn't be scared? If you walk into a room with all these people holding you down, of course you're going to freak out, but that is not how it's done at all. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: No, at all. It was really striking, too, because, again, he's portrayed as this really bad tough guy, right? And then you see it in Jack Nicholson. Again, his performance is fantastic in the movie where he grounds the corner to see the door, to walk into the door, where this like, he catches himself, and you're like you see the terror come over him, and you're like, he has no idea what's happening. We know from the field and just from having watched the movie before, like, oh, this is what's going to happen. But he has no idea. There's no mention of this at all. So it's a total surprise. And again, all these people are there, and he's like, what is going to happen? So this extreme moment of vulnerability for this person who's been portrayed as this big, bravado, tough guy the whole movie, right? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And I think the only clue he has is watching Cheswick get the treatment before him, right? You see them dragging him against his will to get it, and then he comes out like a vegetable on the stretcher. And then it's like, okay, you're up. And it's just so unfortunate. Again, I also haven't performed ECT myself since residency, but from what I remember, it can be an outpatient procedure, right? It's not something where you have to be institutionalized to get you come in, it's almost like having a day surgery get not even as invasive in a lot of ways. And again, I feel like that doesn't make sense to the average person to think like, you're stalking my brain. How is that not invasive? It is. I'm not saying it's not, but you come in, you talk about it, they sort of explain to you exactly what's going on in a very respectful way. There's a couple of people in the room. You have the psychiatrist, you have the anesthesiologist, you have a nurse. That might be it. Maybe there's a tech or someone like that. It doesn't take very long. They usually do unilateral. You pick one side first, and then as long as that works, you don't have to do bilateral, which means putting the things on both sides of your head that can lead to more side effects. So we try to avoid it. You're right that you have anesthesia and a paralytic so that your body basically stays still. You look for the twitch in the ankle. That's it. We're not thrashing you around, we're not holding you down. You're not biting your tongue. It's very quick, very mild. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And then I think it takes maybe. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: An hour or so, like in recovery, maybe a little longer, probably less, but I think you're observed for a period of time, but it's not that long. Then you go home and you do a couple of treatments. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Maybe at first you do two to. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Three a week for a period of time to get you into remission from whether it's depression, psychosis. You're 100% right that this is such a good treatment for conditions in pregnancy because there's no risk of medication effects on the fetus. Right. And then as you start to feel better, you space out the treatments. And then some people might get maintenance ECT to keep up the effects. And that's it. And, I mean, I had an attending psychiatrist, which is like your teacher in residency always say it would really frustrate him when we were on the inpatient unit, that we would have to petition the courts to get something like ECT. When he's like, all of these antipsychotics we're giving people have so many side effects, like diabetes, tartar, dyskinesia, anesthesia, all of these things that are so hard to control, and yet it's so much easier to give people these medications and not ECT. And I really wonder how much of that comes from this movie how much of that comes from the long lasting negative effects of this film on our society at large? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, I would very much say that they're directly tied because, again, invariably, almost always gets brought up. And this is around the time of Deinstitution, the book and the movie, around that time where we ended the asylum system, for the most part. Right. And we have this massive decrease in the amount of people who are in mental health institutions or mental facilities, and where do they end up? They ended up in prison. Right, right. It's not like around the streets or anything like that. And a lot of those again, a lot of people who will end up, like, unhoused will end up in prison because it's a safe place. You get your three hots and a cotton and these things occur. And they get better care a lot of times. Or they get care yeah, right. At all. While they're in these facilities or in prisons as opposed to the facilities. Because everyone was like, oh, let's deinstitutionalize. And we'll put people into community resources. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Then no one paid for the community resources. We forgot that part. Yeah. We forgot that part. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. So everyone was like, again, it was putting the carriage before the horse kind of deal, where it's like the resources weren't there. It would have been perfect if they were. And we put funding there and research, and we really put all the resources that were there. It could have been a great system, right. But it just couldn't it hasn't sustained it. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. It hasn't panned out. And I think the film does bring up in a lot of ways, maybe not all of them in positive depictions, but about how do we treat vulnerable people in a humane way and what are examples of that going wrong, which I think this film has a lot of examples of it going wrong. And I think, unfortunately, that drive to deinstitutionalize, I like to think, came from a good place, and yet we forgot to invest in the community infrastructure to really make it effective. Right. I don't think anyone wants people to live their life on an inpatient unit, but for some subset of patients who are really having trouble functioning without that support, where do they end up? You're exactly right. That is where they end up. They end up unhoused. They end up in prison. That is our institution these days. And it's just so heartbreaking. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And we see that in group. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Just put a different name on that again, at least. Portia Pendleton LCSW: I don't know about Maryland or Virginia, but maybe like ten years ago now, there was a lot of group homes closed residential facilities in Connecticut, and a lot of those at the time I was working in residentials and they had kind of made their way still to institutions. But whether it was juvenile incarceration or substance use treatment facilities and again, I get the idea is, yeah, who wants to grow up in a group home? No one. That's not ideal at all. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: But also, what do we do with. Portia Pendleton LCSW: These teens and kids who have nowhere to go, right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And who need that support to a lot of times maintain your safety, not just from kind of like a psychiatric self harming perspective, but also from not being taken advantage of by other nefarious people out there, all the Mcmurphys of the world, who will all the Mcmurphys of the know. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: I know. Portia Pendleton LCSW: So what we don't see kind of continue is lobotomies, right? So thank God they stopped around the 1950s. And I guess there was one the last one that was recorded in the United States was in 1967, and it actually ended up in the death of the patient who it was performed on. So that has not we've stopped that practice while ECT has become really safe, really effective, really studied, really specifically done. And I just thought that's kind of interesting that they're both shown in the movie a short period of time and kind of right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Like, at the very end, they don't ever say, like, oh, he got a lobotomy, or that's what happened. You just sort of make the assumption. And I do think as much as we are criticizing this film, it's also important. I'm sure you all agree that we not like us, we did this personally, but as a field, have to acknowledge there have been some bad things that. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Have happened, so we don't do this anymore. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, it's one of the things I know you'd referenced it before, but every Wednesday I do what's called like a WTF Wednesday right. Where it is kind of like looking back on history, some of the dark sides of the field, and not just the mental health field, but primarily the mental health field, to be like, this is what we did. This is the stuff that we did. Like, what the ****? Right? Sorry. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: That's okay. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: I was like, what were the things that we were doing that was normal at the time? And a lot of it came from just the lack of understanding and just not knowing what we know. We go back and when I was talking about know, we did bloodletting and purging treatment, that was the father who's the I think he's on the seal as the APA, as the father of psychiatry. And he did this therapy where he would put people in chairs and spin the psychosis, the crazy out of them, quote unquote. Right. And I guess those are the things that we were doing. And then again, the shock therapy without anesthesia, that was, again, kind of like how it was depicted in one flu, the Cooper's Nest, without knowing that, hey, we can do this, but do it a lot safer. So very much a lot of ugly, ugly stuff that occurred in the history of psychiatry. And know, again, not even talking about, I think, Samuel Cartwright and some of the people who did a lot of the terrible stuff, like in the history of gynecology, so much stuff there's. Like, you can have a whole discussion on the terrible history of gynecology in. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: American Threat as well, 100%. And I think it is important as present day providers to keep all that history in mind and also keep that healthy degree of skepticism like in the stuff we do these days to think just to stay ethical and humane. And I think also looking back on all those practices, there unfortunately is a lot of racial discrepancies, socioeconomic discrepancies about which patients were getting these treatments or these experimental treatments or things against their will or even against their knowledge. And that's terrible, but we have to keep it in mind to hopefully turn the tides and keep working toward better, more equitable, more open types of treatment. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, again, when we really look at the racial history of it and again, we saw it kind of in the movie, but not so much all of the black individuals were the orderlies. There were no black patients that were there. I know Chief is again the Native American, but he's a patient as well. But everybody else was white, all the people in power. Yeah, the one white doctor there was, I think, like the Indian doctor and maybe there was some other doctor that was there when they had like, their rounds for that one, during that one scene of rounds and discussing stuff. But again, it's a lot of the white people, but we know that historically, or even not historically, but currently too, black individuals get diagnosed with schizophrenia four times higher than non or than white individuals. So that's something that and we know that these rates are not true. It's not like people are four times more likely to be no, it's just a lot of this goes into the biases that occur. We know that, again, non white kids get diagnosed with ADHD less than white kids. We know that, again, non white kids are having more odd, odd more conduct diagnoses than white kids. There's that aspect of, like, oh, this is just how they are. So, again, we don't look at trauma disorders as much in non white individuals. We're like, oh, this is just characteristically or character logically. This is who they are. And again, these are the biases that come out, and we see them. And a lot of, like, when I'm seeing patients, I end up undiagnosing so many of these diagnoses that are misplaced that I'm like, clearly this kid has trauma, right? Clearly this teenage girl has PTSD. She's not bipolar. Clearly, this kid has ADHD. They have a learning disorder that's never been recognized, right? Because somebody didn't take the time to really sit down with them and discuss them or see what's going on there 100%. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And even we've seen you commented on one of Dr. Callie's videos on you know, I'm just thinking back, I guess, eight years ago, working at a teen male adolescent substance use unit, every single one of them had Odd, like, coming in. It was almost like a prerequisite to be on the unit. Like, you had a substance use disorder, sometimes a couple, and then you had Odd, and it's, like, literally just kind of reflecting back on it. I don't know, 99% of them I'll leave 1% just for room had trauma, like, significant trauma, whether it was chronic or just, like, singular traumas. And that really even eight years ago wasn't really addressed. So I think even now, I think we're doing a better job of just sharing information and kind of deconstruct some of it. And of course, there's always tons of room to grow and keep going. But I think even we've done a lot of work in the past couple of years. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And I hope that as we keep trying to better understand our patients and the human condition at large, I think we're also starting to talk about that trauma. That different subsets of the population experience is directly tied to the experience of being, like, a black person in America today, for example, that, yeah, there's a lot of trauma that comes with that that you might not call PTSD, but it's there. And it's directly tied to politics, economic, like, all of it. And I think it can feel really overwhelming. And like, you get swallowed up to see that in clinical practice day in and day out. But it's so important to acknowledge rather than saying like, well, you're just oppositional or you're just psychotic or it's so much more complicated than yeah. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: And to kind of give a story with know, I work in Loudoun County in Virginia, which is like the richest county in America. And our neighbor is Fairfax County, which is the second richest county in a certain the patients that we see are certain demographics, I guess you can say, right? Predominantly white. Vinya is predominantly white. There's a shift with it as it's become much more like technologically, a leader and we have a lot of it stuff. So then there's a changing demographic that's kind of there. But I'm always struck by this one patient counter. I'll try to hide details and things, but it was a little African American kiddo, and he had punched one of his peer at school, and he got in trouble for that. Right. And I was trying to see how do I tell this story a little differently? The question I asked is, when they come to me, I'm like, well, why'd you punch the kid? Right. What happened that led to this? Right? And he's like, well, he called me the N word, right? And then I'm like, well, I'm not mad at you. Right, right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: So what is the right way to. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Handle that, to respond to this bully called him the N word and he punched him back, and then he's the kid who gets in trouble for it. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. Did that kid come into the psych unit too? The other kid? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: No, of course not. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Of course not. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Right? Yeah. So it's like this is how we kind of weaponize racial identity and how our cultural background against people. It's like Kiddo had a perfectly totally normal response. Again, are we condoning violence? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: No. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: But at the same time, do I understand why he punched the kid? Absolutely. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. Right? Portia Pendleton LCSW: And now, though, he's reactive, he's dangerous, he's violent, he's aggressive. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: He's one of those kids. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: He's one of those aggressive black kids. Right. Again, the narrative that's created that he's a troublemaker and a fighter and blah, blah, blah. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. That's a really positive note to leave, to end on. But it's so true. I mean, I think it's heartbreaking, but I think if we just sort of keep our head in the sand and we don't acknowledge these whatever you want to call it, microaggressions, macroaggressions, racism, misogyny, trauma, poverty. If we don't acknowledge it, nothing will get better. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: It's funny. I laugh when you said microaggressions because I just posted like a video recently I talked with Isra Nasser. She's a Pakistani immigrant, and she's become a very much a leader in mental health and the field of in it in the community. And she's a therapist, counselor and stuff. And I posted a clip about microaggressions that she had faced when she came over, immigrated from Saudi Arabia to over here or Canada and then over here. It's a common thing I joke about, like, oh, you speak English? Really? Again? Like, yeah, you're having the reaction that you understand that that's not a cool thing to say. And I posted on YouTube, and then I'm getting all these comments from people being like, again, white people who are being like, people are just being nice to you when they say that. How dare you have this victim mentality. And it's like, you understand you're proving the point by saying I know. Saying that these people are being nice to you by saying that you speak English really well and you are different and you are this and that, and if you have this victim mentality your whole life, this is how you're never going to get advanced in life. Portia Pendleton LCSW: It's still her fault. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, it's still her fault. I was like, you understand, you're just gaslighting, and you're continuing the microaggressions that are going on by telling people to just be okay with it. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: I know. What am I proving the point? Portia Pendleton LCSW: And it's like, nothing, maybe nothing. You don't need to comment on that. And I think people love commenting on everything, and I think we could do a better job of just keeping some. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Thoughts in our head or just being a little more introspective and even just being able to say, like, oh, wow, I didn't know about microaggressions, or that was a microaggression, or how that landed for this person, given their experience. Maybe I should think about that and maybe reflect and maybe it's okay, I feel remorseful or embarrassed about it, and I could try to do a little better. Maybe I should listen to them. Maybe they are really like the authority on their own lived experience. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Exactly. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Radical idea. Yeah, radical idea. Portia Pendleton LCSW: If you don't have the insight that's true. Open to thinking about things a different way, then, right? That's true. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: That's true. Anyway, well, this was great. Portia Pendleton LCSW: I mean, is there anything else we want to talk about with the movie or just, like the commentary on it? I think the big themes that I think we covered are, like, it's a lot different now in a lot of different ways. Are there still hospitals and units and therapists and psychiatrists who do a better job than others? Of course. Are there some people who maybe shouldn't be in the field? Of course. But I think it's just reminding yourself, even as a patient, like, you should have informed consent, it's okay to ask questions. You're allowed to say, what is this? I'm interested in something else, or can you talk me through this? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: What are my options? Portia Pendleton LCSW: If you're recommending prozac, it's okay to ask, well, what about Lexapro? Like, you're allowed to ask questions to, your know, ideally right. The gold standard of care would be that they're listening actively. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, I think kind of like, the takeaway I appreciate the movie the way I don't have this. I think you were saying, like, you have this this gut visceral reaction to the movie. I think it's necessary viewing for all I think it's necessary viewing, right, for a lot of people. If you're in the field, again, from the fact that you have to look at it from a lens of history and a lens of, like, this is what not to do, and this is how we don't do things anymore. This is how things may have been. Again, some of this stuff is absolutely dramatized for the sake of great storytelling, and it is a great movie if you look at it from the point of view of just a movie, somebody who's watching the movie, it's earned its accolades and its place in history. But from the mental health field, it's an important movie still, and it has a lasting impact 50 years later. And we have to know that our patients are aware of this. Our clients are aware of this. They know its history. They know what it is. They have a lot of misconceptions about the field because of this, right? So we have to know that going. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Into it as a whole, 100%. And I'm curious we can cut this out if you don't want to talk about this, but you did mention watching this with your children, and I'm just curious what they thought. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, so I watched it with my eight year old son and my seven year old daughter because I was like, oh, they wanted to do movie night. It's summertime. And I was like, cool. I was like, oh, I have to watch this movie again because I have to talk about it. And they're like, oh, by the way, this was, like, what Baba does for his job, right? He's a psychiatrist. He's one of the people who and these are the people I work lot of it was interesting because they had a lot of questions about what's wrong with this person? What's wrong with the birth, and why are they dancing? What's like, to be like, well, teach them. I was like, well, some people are different. Some people have things that are going on in them that they may act or look or think a little bit differently. And I'm open in saying it. We have someone in our friend community who is like, quote unquote, level three autism. They have intellectual disability communication issues. He's a little bit older, and they play with him and everything like that. And I was like, oh, you know, this guy something's a little bit different with him. Not something's wrong with him, but something a little bit different. And I was like, oh, these are the people that Baba kind of works with a little bit and helps them out, hopefully helps them out. And they're like, oh, okay. And then again, there was a lot of questions. They're like, oh, Baba, they're using a lot of bad words. There's so many bad words in this one, being like, oh, why are they naked together? What's going on? I was like, Guys, close your eyes. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Once the girls come in, you're like. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Oh, well, this is not what Baba does at work. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: I was like, I forgot about this. Again, they're not going to obviously understand everything that was going on in there, and then they enjoyed it. Some stuff they're like, okay, but they're not going to be watching it again and telling their friends that they watched. Right. It's not Transformers or something like that. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Didn'T necessarily grab their attention in the same way. Yeah, but I think that's also just. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Like, a great anecdote of changing language and how important and powerful language is of well, there's a lot of different people. That doesn't mean that they're bad or weird or strange or scary. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Well, thank you so much for joining us today. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Absolutely. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: We hope you just had a blast revisiting this movie with your children, talking about it with us. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Well, thank you. I appreciate yeah. Again, that's the main thing is we have to and a lot of this kind of came from a conversation I had with Dr. Gold as well. Who Jesse? We all love Jesse. She's great. But when we go out, we publish things. If we work our whole life and we get something published in right. Or the New England Journal of Medicine, again, not everybody very rarely that these things occur. This is like the pinnacle of scientific, academic, medical kind of publishing. The layperson just read it. How many people are reading? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right, right, exactly. And if they try to read it no, I can't even understand half the time. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, I don't read this stuff half the time because I'm like, I have to really think about this and, like, statistics. I have to think. I have to use my brain reading this. But we know that, again, people are going to get their information from YouTube or they're going to get it from Twitter, they're going to get it from TikToks or they're going to get it from whatever. It's going to be Vogue magazine and Time magazine. So it's like, it's important for people who have legitimate voices and backgrounds to be in those worlds as well. So that versus the people who we know are misusing those to kind of push out BF. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yes. Right. Well, keep fighting the good fight. Keep buying your sneakers. I love to see them. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Well, and just to remind everyone who's listening, you can find Solman at the Kicks shrink Instagram. So it's Kick Shrink, as in, like, shoes, and then shrink on Instagram and TikTok and YouTube and find his content there. We certainly like it. So I think you will, too. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. And thank you once again for joining us, and you can find us again at Analyze Scripts on Instagram. Analyze Scripts podcast on TikTok and threads and we will see you next Monday with another episode. Yeah, thanks. All right, bye. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Thanks for having me. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: This podcast and its contents are a copyright of analyzed scripts. All rights reserved. Any redistribution or reproduction of part or all of the contents in any form is prohibited. Unless you want to share it with. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Your friends and rate review and subscribe, that's fine. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: All stories and characters discussed are fictional in nature. No identification with actual persons, living or deceased places, buildings or products is intended or should be inferred. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only. The podcast and its contents do not constitute professional mental health or medical advice. Listeners might consider consulting a mental health provider if they need assistance with any mental health problems or concerns. As always, please call 911 or go directly to your nearest emergency room for any psychiatric emergencies. Thanks for listening and see you next time.

Penn and Rusty travel to a Washington mental hospital and discuss a famous antihero Randall McMurphy and his psychopathic nemesis Nurse Ratchet.  They discuss story and themes but also compare to their own experiences on the psych unit. Take a listen to hear more! 53

This week on episode 467, Woody and Nurse Ratchet get together to answer some of the questions from last week that weren't completely answered. The nurse brings a medical perspective to some of the questions. Nurse Ratched is a working RN and shares her vast medical knowledge with the kink community. https://www.kinkycast.com/archive/2022-archive/465--dear-woody--nurse.html

Nurse Ratchet to the white house...stat.

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In this episode, the boys discuss Andor, She-Hulk and the death of Nurse Ratchet.

R.I.P. Nurse Ratchet, Angry Ubers and a special guest checks in

Ray and Lucie discuss cleaning like Jordan Peterson, Nurse Ratchet's tragic death, Mighty Max, Russia, and much more. Sign up at https://www.patreon.com/RayKump for an extra episode every week! Kump Hand Merch https://bonfire.com/store/kump/ Follow Kump on Twitch https://www.twitch.tv/raykump Follow Ray on Sound Cloud https://on.soundcloud.com/QbP8

https://www.letusthinkaboutit.com/step-62-the-double-bind/PART 1Ryder discusses Alan Watt's interpretation of the "tough-minded" and "tender-hearted" as "prickles and goos" that need each other, yet are confused by each other and lash out. Of course, like Alice in Wonderland, we can refuse to play the game: the competitive rules laid out by another in a grid, but Watts says to remember that life is a game... when our ego gets involved we tend to forget and become serious and demand "off with their heads." Using Buddhist insights may not help. It tends to be a meta-move, like a kid trying out some Marxism to attack their dad. It may be true, but will likely not change anything. Yet, what the kid is doing is practicing the utility of ideology: now a Pawn can check a King. It is local practice for the global revolution. PART 2The double bind is being told to "act natural": a paradox forcing performative conformity. Thus our identity is shaped by society. Slavoj Zizek cites the Paris riots of 2005 as a double blackmail, where the ghettoized citizens are called animals and treated as animals, thus in rage, they burn cars and part of their homes. To some this reinforces their barbarism (they can never be integrated into Paris society)  while to others it is an anguished cry or rage that is all too human. Capitalism and Bureaucracy tend to these double binds: where to be famous like Elvis, you sell out your rebellious rage. Capitalism utilizes and capital-izes on energy, converting any attack into sustenance for itself and punishment for you. It is claimed to be a hydra, but more accurately - as Foucault has said of power and its dispersal - it is amoeba-like slime with no head to lop off. PART 3Joseph Heller's "Catch-22" has many examples of contradictory, nonsensical paradoxes in the military making it into a dark farcical comedy. The primary paradox is you cannot escape the military: if you want to save yourself you are sane (it is sane not to want to fight or die) so to be declared insane you must want to stay and fight... in which case you would never claim you are insane. Eventually, the main character does go insane, and the military rewards his bravery. Insanity is the preferred outcome. In Ken Kesey's "One Flew Over the Cockoo's nest" Randle McMurphy (Jack Nicholson) trades prison for the mental ward, only to find by declaring insanity his welfare has been turned over to Nurse Ratchet, a petty tyrant who works to break this spirited man.  Her target: his head. As Foucault has stated, the body can be imprisoned in circumstances, but the goal now is to have you internalize the contradictions until our shared insanity seems sane. the escape: off with your own head 

"There's no place on Earth to hide!"Scott Hoffman and David Burns return for a bonus episode this week to talk Martians with Jeff Johnson for our limited series, "1986." Join us for Tobe Hooper's "Invaders From Mars!"Is the original film from 1953 worth watching? Are the Martians the true aggressors, or are we? Stan Winston creature effects, Karen Black, a Louise Fletcher character more villainous than Nurse Ratchet, raw hamburger, and the importance of product placement are among the many topics covered in this episode!www.afilmbypodcast.comafilmbypodcast@gmail.com@afilmbypodcast on Facebook and Twitter

Drew Barrymore stars in Stephen King's 1984 film adaption of Firestarter. The film they wish John Carpenter made instead. Drew's 8 year old binge days is discussed. Another white guy playing a Navajo hitman, and Nurse Ratchet role reversal as a sweet loving childless farm woman is portrayed in this film. Kypria and Dana talk past focus group gigs. Dana's hungover X mas. Kypria renounces her Puerto Rican heritage and explains JW life to Dana. Note to Hollywood: Stop with the remakes please. And they ask: What is necromancy? And, is spontaneous combustion real? Will Kip ever remember Rainbird's name?

Folks, today on Crime & Entertainment we sit down with a front-line health care worker to gain a inside look on what exactly is going on inside of current hospital systems. This pandemic has led to many different view points and opinions from individuals over the last few years. Whether or not you believe this pandemic is a death sentence or if its being blown out of proportion, the world has certainly been impacted on a long-term basis. So, we decided to go straight to a reliable source and sit down with a Registered Nurse who has been on the front lines of this from the very beginning. In order to prevent backlash for this interview, we will be not using this healthcare hero's real name so for Crime & Entertainment purposes only.... she will be known as Nurse Ratchet. Please sit back, pop a top, and take a listen at what's really going on inside current hospital systems.

On this week's episode, Ms. Vicky and J.O the King talk to Nurse Ratchet about a woman who is suing Geico for contracting HPV via car sex. They also talk about a letter that was sent in requesting help to go from cheating to poly.Follow us on IG: Instagram.com/SexTherapyWithMsVickyFollow us on FB: Facebook.com/SexTherapyWithMsVickyEmail us your questions and stories at: SexTherapyWithMsVicky@gmail.com

It's taken almost 8 years to get to episode 400. A lot of water has gone under the bridge since February 2014. Tonight we gathered Miss Leigh, Miss-Tress, Dr. Vanilla Nurse Ratched, and Touchy to discuss shows they like and to give you a feel for the depth of what we offer. We have hosted internationally notable speakers, tons of educational shows, and the shows that our audience like are the kinkster next door type and get their kink on where ever that can. We have compiled a listing of the top 100 plus some honorable mentions, for you to check out, with links to each show! https://www.kinkycast.com/archive/2021-archive/400---episode-400---top.html

On today's episode, Ms. Vicky and J.O the King talk to Nurse Ratchet about pleasure parties! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/sextherapywithmsvicky/message

Somebody with a real job stops by to tell us about horrors from the emergency room!

On today's episode Ms. Vicky and J.O the King join their good friends The Hood High Priestess, Nurse Ratchet & Charles to discuss their number of sexual partners --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/sextherapywithmsvicky/message

There are few things spookier than an old-timey insane asylum. Of course, now they’re called psychiatric facilities and while the mental health field has seen great improvements over the years, some of the atrocities committed within their walls still haunt us today. This week Dana shares with us the story of Nellie Bly, the investigative reporter who spent 10 days undercover in a mental facility. Was her exposé the reason behind the changes? Nydia tells us about the inhumane experimental treatments at these mental hospitals. Many are still practiced today! Cindy tells us about Pennhurst Asylum’s haunted history. Do you believe?  For dinner, Cindy cooked up a meal worthy of any institution; Salisbury Steaks with mashed potatoes, mushroom gravy, and string beans. For added measure, she served these on a foam tray. For dessert, we had peach cobbler with a scoop of vanilla ice cream. Cindy’s inspiration came from an episode of Nurse Ratchet. Our wine this week was Agua de Piedra Malbec. This Malbec paired well with the earthy tastes of mushrooms and the heavy flavors of the meat. You can find the links to the stories and food photos on: www.winedineandstorytime.com Check us out on Social too!!  https://www.facebook.com/winedineandstorytime https://www.instagram.com/winedinestorytime/ https://twitter.com/WDStoryTime or call us some time  6093003094Sound Credit:Nelly Bly By Stephen Foster  

Join Pamela and Alexa for their first ever "Tube Talk" episode, well, until they come up with a better name for a TV recap. This week they talk about Ryan Murphy and Evan Romansky's series, Ratched, starring Sarah Paulson, Finn Wittrock, Cynthia Nixon, Judy Davis, Jon Jon Briones, Charlie Carver, Sharon Stone, Amanda Plummer, Alice Englert, Vincent D'Onofrio, and Sophie Okonedo. Spoilers will be included, so if you haven't seen the show, beware. They'll dive into important plot points, their favorite acting performances, and how the series affected each of them. As always, they conclude with the eternal question… Are You Okay? Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/noonesokay @PamelaPortnoy @AlexaMarieAnderson1 Thank you for listening!

You've heard from Liz on what it is like to be the patient, but what about her husband who took care of her during her recovery? The Russian joins this week to talk about the process, start to finish, of the journey to surgery and what it was like taking care of Liz post op. 

Amanda Lee, AKA Nurse Ratchet is a relative newcomer to the Missoula DJ scene but has been involved in the local music and festival scene for a bit, specifically curating the annual Grease camp 2012. Blending the finest bass house, with unheard rave anthems and the subtle sounds of tech it’s guaranteed to get you moving faster than Kid Rock tickets on the 4th of July. Major influences include Michael Jackson, Scissor Sisters, Parliament Funkadelic, and Thievery Corporation. She has played sets at Monk’s and the infamous Backalley Pub. She also performs in the duo Dig Ol Bicks, and has opened for local master resident Chaddabox on occasion.

Get Exclusive Pop Culture Show video interviews, video content and bonus video exclusively from our Instagram. Sign up for our Pop Cult and be the first to get show announcements, free stuff and insider information only available to cult members.Speaker 1 (00:00):Welcome to the Pop Culture Show with Barnes, Leslie and Cubby. Barnes (00:04):The not so world-famous Pop Culture Show is back. Barnes, Leslie and Cubby. Barnes (00:09):Hey, I saw Jimmy by the way. Leslie (00:11):Jimmy Baron? Barnes (00:12):Walking the streets, yeah. Cubby (00:14):And he wants his job back. Barnes (00:15):No. Cubby (00:16):Oh. Barnes (00:16):He didn't say anything. He was coming. I guess on Saturdays he doesn't drive. And so, I saw him walking in the neighborhood from synagogue, I'm assuming. I rolled my window down and he was with some other people. He said, "Oh," typical Jimmy, "It's Barnes from Barnes, Leslie and Cubby." Leslie (00:34):He's listening. Barnes (00:35):And everyone just laughed. Leslie (00:36):He's listening to our podcast. Barnes (00:37):Yeah, this is very funny. Cubby (00:37):What's up, Jimmy? Barnes (00:38):Please rate, review and subscribe. Today on the show Butch Walker will be on. One of my absolute favs. Cubby (00:46):Now I totally know who he is by the way, but you guys... Leslie (00:50):Unbelievable. Barnes (00:51):I would think you know who he is. Cubby (00:52):No, I totally know. But you guys have talked to him many times, right? Leslie (00:55):Yeah. Barnes (00:55):Yeah, he's like family almost. Cubby (00:57):Right. Leslie (00:58):Cannot wait to talk to him about the epic show I saw him perform him in last year. Barnes (01:02):That dude, he puts out albums almost as much as we put out a podcast episode. [crosstalk 00:01:08]. He's unbelievable- Leslie (01:08):... fan base. His fan base is rapid. Barnes (01:11):Here we go. (singing) sell that, Butch. That's Marvelous Three. Cubby, I don't know if you ever played that in your stuff. Cubby (01:19):Early 2000s, I believe, right? Barnes (01:20):You did? Cubby (01:20):Yeah. Barnes (01:20):oh, awesome. Leslie (01:21):Good. Cubby (01:22):[crosstalk 00:01:22] 1990s or in 2000s. And then, of course, I know all about, I was reading up about Fallout Boy and producing and Green Day. Barnes (01:29):Like everybody you can imagine he has produced. Performed with Taylor Swift at the Grammy's. When was that? Recently. In the last couple of years. I don't know how far back was that? Leslie (01:38):I'd say he's... Barnes (01:40):They all run together in my head. Leslie (01:42):Yeah, he's one of one of those producers though that seamlessly can go from genre to genre. It's unbelievable. Barnes (01:46):So Butch is coming up. Pick us up on the iHeartRadio app. Now we're on Pandora. Where else, Cubby? Cubby (01:51):Teslas. Barnes (01:52):Teslas, yes. We're on Teslas. And Amazon Alexa. And of course in Turks and Caicos. How was your week, guys? Cubby (01:58):Good. Good. I mean, I'm trying to think of a highlight. Up here in New York it's just been very hot. We're watching this tropical storm/hurricane possibly come up the coast this week. And then, hanging with the baby, man. The baby turned six months old. Leslie (02:13):Cubby, I mean, your Instagram story, your Facebook story about your little shot machine is hysterical. Barnes (02:22):Earlier and earlier you're starting. Cubby (02:23):Well, I do a shot, as I told you guys last week, at 5:00 every day and sometimes it leads into more after that. But yeah, you know, Friday it was like, "You know what? It was a long week. Let's just kick things off early. 4:05, boom. Let's do a shot." Barnes (02:36):I called it a spot check on Thursday at 5:15. He was already on his second shot. I mean, it's just hysterical. [crosstalk 00:02:43]. Cubby (02:42):... Well, do you guys have happy hour at home? I mean, do you maybe have a glass of wine, Leslie? Or Barnes, a beer? Leslie (02:47):Not every day. Barnes (02:47):Yeah, I'm a vodka guy, you know that. I'm not a beer guy. But yeah, my wife will usually kick off happy hour. 5:00-ish, but we don't have an official machine. Leslie (02:56):He's got the machine in his kitchen. Cubby (02:59):It will complete your kitchen, man. Barnes (03:00):It's usually dinnertime. Cubby (03:02):Yeah. Leslie (03:02):And by the way, we're talking Jagermeister, which is so gross. Sorry. Cubby (03:05):Well, I have a love-hate with it. I have a love-hate with it. Barnes (03:10):I saw they responded to the tweet they were tagged in. They must have loved that. Cubby (03:14):Yeah, can we shout out Jagermeister USA? Barnes (03:16):We just did. Leslie just said, "I hate Jagermeister." You want to get that quote for the social media this week. "Hey, I hate Jagermeister," Leslie Pram. Cubby (03:24):That's Leslie Pram. Leslie (03:25):I didn't say I hated it, I said it was gross. Barnes (03:26):Right. Cubby (03:27):Well, you know what happened? I think I told you this story but about 25 years ago I got really sick of it, and then you know when you get sick off a certain drink you don't want to drink it ever again? Barnes (03:35):No. Cubby (03:36):And then I didn't touch it for 10 years. And then I told you, my wife lived in Germany for 11 years so she brought some back. And I'm like, "I haven't had this a while. I'll give it a second chance." And I've been doing it every day since 2016. Leslie (03:48):They need to be paying you. You need to be on the Jagermeister payroll. Cubby (03:51):I need to call a special number, I think. I might have to call another number. Barnes (03:54):Yeah. Cubby (03:56):To get some help. Barnes (03:58):I had a fun week. Remember that avail check you kept joking about? They booked me, so I booked that show. I can tell you which show it is now but I can't tell you what I'm playing. It's called Saints and Sinners. Cubby (04:07):I like the name. Leslie (04:08):I've heard of that. Wait a second, what is Saints and Sinners? [crosstalk 00:04:10]. Barnes (04:10):It's on Bounce, the Bounce Network. Leslie (04:14):What do you play? Barnes (04:14):I can't tell you. Leslie (04:15):Are you a saint or a sinner? Barnes (04:17):They contract all of this, you can't divulge story ahead of time. Leslie (04:23):Barnes, I'm sorry. I don't see you in the saint category. Cubby (04:25):No, I don't either. Barnes (04:27):No. I would be on probably the sinners side. Cubby (04:29):Yeah. Barnes (04:30):Anyway. Leslie (04:30):That's what I see. Barnes (04:31):We're filming in September. We start filming on the 10th. Cubby (04:33):What about you, Leslie? What did you all week? Leslie (04:34):Okay, I have not had my haircut since February because of coronavirus. I got two inches cut off. I don't know if you can tell Barnes (04:40):I saw you posting with your mask on. Cubby (04:43):Oh, I did see that. Yes, you do, yeah, yeah. Leslie (04:44):My hairdresser, Jimmy Wilmer. Plug bell. Anyway, yeah, got that done. Barnes (04:49):Fram, you can never tell if your hair is shorter because you wear black shirts every day. So you have black hair and black shirts, I can't really get the contrast. Leslie (04:55):Kind of blends together. Cubby (04:56):Did they do a blowout? You know we talked about blowouts, and my wife didn't get a blowout because they won't do blowouts here in Jersey because of spreading the corona. Leslie (05:03):Yeah. Cubby (05:03):Did you they do a blowout there? Leslie (05:04):Yeah, we did. But we were socially distanced and we were wearing our masks. And we were the only two people in the building. So it was safe. Cubby (05:13):Good. Barnes (05:14):This week I had to renew my concealed weapon license. Every five years you have to do it. Leslie (05:20):Was that annoying? Barnes (05:22):Can you have that in New Jersey, Cubby? Cubby (05:23):You know, I haven't read into it. But I assume. Barnes (05:26):I don't know. Some states, I guess, are different. But you want to talk about a fricking freak show. I had to go down, usually it's no big deal. You walk in and it's like a marriage license. You just walk in, you fill out the paperwork and you're done. There were hundreds of people. Barnes (05:40):So I go bopping at 9:30 thinking, "Oh, it'll just be a few minutes." You have a paperwork. It was a renewal, so it wasn't going to be the whole shebang. You have to fill out the application again but no fingerprints this time. Barnes (05:50):Oh my god, there were hundreds of people. The line was all day. So I just left. The sheriff guy was like, "Look, come back tomorrow at 7:00. Check in." So I had to go check in at 7:00, get on this list and then at 8:30 they opened the doors. And it's like a ballroom full of people every day. Cubby (06:06):Oh my god... Barnes (06:07):Getting their permits. That's how out of- Leslie (06:09):Whacked. Barnes (06:09):... control it is in Atlanta. Cubby (06:11):Were people bringing lawn chairs and stuff? Leslie (06:13):Yeah... Barnes (06:13):No. It was like a ballroom, literally, inside the government building. People with masks, you have to have masks. They take your temperature when you walk in. And they have one person processing the licenses. Leslie (06:25):How long did it take you, how long were there? Barnes (06:27):I was number seven in line and it took me an hour-and-a-half. Then you have to go downtown- Leslie (06:31):Wow. Barnes (06:31):... to bring your paperwork, your affidavit, to get your background check. Cubby (06:35):Dude, I would have shot myself after all that. Barnes (06:36):Right. You don't even need a permit. Cubby (06:39):It's like DMV times 100, right? Leslie (06:42):Wow. Barnes (06:42):That was my fun week. Barnes (06:43):Shall we jump into celebrity sleaze? Butch Walker, still coming up, just a few. Leslie (06:49):I'm sure you've been following this but the saga of the Ellen DeGeneres show. Barnes (06:53):Oh... Leslie (06:54):Now a couple of actors are coming out. Brad Garrett, Lea Thomspon. Brad Garrett said I think on Twitter, "Sorry, but it comes from the top. The Ellen Show. No more than one who were treated horribly by her. Common knowledge." Leslie (07:09):I guess Thursday she finally spoke up. She said, "Hey everybody, it's Ellen. On day one of our show, I told everyone on our first meeting that The Ellen DeGeneres Show would be a place of happiness. No one would ever raise their voice and everyone would be treated with respect." Leslie (07:24):And then she went on to say, "I'm sorry for that. Anyone who knows me knows it's the opposite of what I believe and what I hoped for our show." She almost acted like she was surprised but they're saying a lot of ex-producers engaged in rampant sexual misconduct and harassment. But a lot of people are coming out saying you weren't allowed to look her in the eye, you weren't allowed to talk with her, that she wasn't a very nice person. And now the show is under investigation. Barnes (07:49):Who was that, that tweeted all that? Leslie (07:51):Brad Garrett. Barnes (07:52):Hey, Cubby? Cubby (07:53):Yeah. Barnes (07:54):I was at the Royal Hawaiian, filming in Hawaii. Cubby (07:58):All right. Barnes (07:58):Guess who was sitting next to me at the bar? Cubby (08:01):Ellen DeGeneres. Barnes (08:02):Brad Garrett. Cubby (08:02):Brad Garrett. You always have to get one in, don't you? Leslie (08:06):You have to get one. Barnes (08:08):He's tall. He's like 6'6". Leslie (08:10):Oh, man... Barnes (08:10):Guy's huge. But I spoke to someone yesterday in Hollywood, a very reliable source who says it was one bazillion percent true. Cubby (08:20):I believe it. That she's a bitch? Barnes (08:22):Yeah. Cubby (08:22):Pardon my mouth. Sorry. But yeah... Barnes (08:24):They said, "Look, there's some people that worked on her show who are starting Facebook threads," and they're tough. Cubby (08:30):Right. Barnes (08:31):"Yes, you did do that." I mean, she's the antithesis of what she markets herself to be. Leslie (08:36):The happy show, where everyone's dancing and happy. It's really sad to hear, quite honestly. Cubby (08:40):She is the show everyday, be kind to one another. Barnes (08:42):It's a big scam. Cubby (08:43):Like, right? Scam. Barnes (08:45):Well, what's going to happen? Leslie (08:46):I'm assuming more stories will come out. I don't know, the show's under investigation. Who knows? Cubby (08:50):What does mean? Internal investigation, I think. Leslie (08:52):Yeah, maybe they'll cancel the show? I don't know. Cubby (08:54):Wow... Leslie (08:55):A lot of repercussions. Cubby (08:57):She'll walk away one rich woman anyway. Doesn't matter. Barnes (08:59):Yeah, she's already set for life. Cubby (09:01):Yeah, yeah. Barnes (09:01):But who knew that she was that miserable? Cubby (09:03):Right. Leslie (09:04):Now, Barnes, I know that you watched the Jeffrey Epstein saga, right, on Netflix? Barnes (09:08):I did. Leslie (09:09):Well, one of the women who was exposed, Virginia Giuffre, she's been talking with attorneys. She's now naming names. I don't know if you've seen any of this but she was disposed the other day and she's talking about how Ghislaine Maxwell used her as a sex slave. She's mentioning that the attorney conducting the interview says that she mentions several names, including Prince Andrew, who obviously was in the documentary. Former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson. And this is suspicious, an individual described as "another prince" and another individual described as "the large hotel chain owner". Not sure who that is. Leslie (09:49):She did say that she was surprised seeing Bill Clinton there. And one time she remembers asking Jeffrey Epstein about why Bill Clinton was there. He kind of laughed it off and said, "Yeah, he owes me a favor." Cubby (10:00):Wow. Barnes (10:01):He keeps trying to run from that story and everybody that was within feet of that Island said, "Yeah, he was here." Leslie (10:07):Numerous times. He was on the flight log numerous times. Cubby (10:10):This story is just going to keep getting worse. We haven't reached the end of this at all. Leslie (10:14):No, not at all. Cubby (10:16):No. Leslie (10:16):Hey, another big surprise, Beyonce. Oh yeah, she just released her visual album, Black Is King, inspired by the Lion King, on Disney Plus. Disney Plus getting some great stuff lately. Cubby (10:29):Yeah. Leslie (10:29):But already millions of views, as you can imagine, for Beyonce. Barnes (10:34):Wasn't that a surprise again? Leslie (10:35):It was another surprise, yeah. Barnes (10:36):She's the queen of that. She is, she started all the whole surprise thing, didn't she? Leslie (10:40):She really did. Cubby (10:41):Yeah. Now more and more people do it. Why do you think that is though? Does it stimulate more sales if you do it that way? Barnes (10:47):Talk. People talk. People are like, "Oh my god, So-and-So- Cubby (10:51):Social media- Barnes (10:51):... "put something,"... Yeah. Leslie (10:52):Yeah, because you know the Taylor Swift, I mean, the albums are out of control. And I can see why. I have been listening to that over and over again. Leslie (11:01):I don't know if you saw the Emmy nominations but Netflix on fire. Are you ready for this? 160 Emmy nominations just for Netflix and all their shows. Cubby (11:12):Crazy. Just unbelievable how... Barnes (11:13):They're killing it. Cubby (11:13):Yeah. Leslie (11:14):Oh by the way, I want to mention that Tiger King was nominated for six Emmys. Barnes (11:19):Really? Leslie (11:20):Including Outstanding Documentary... Cubby (11:22):And that's why I think, it's just an outstanding documentary, really. I mean... Barnes (11:26):Yeah, it is. It's a murder story. Cubby (11:28):Right. It was well done. Leslie (11:29):Yeah, I've never watched Watchmen, but they got 26 nominations. The Marvelous Miss Maisel got 20. Ozark, 18. Succession, 18. And then Eddie Murphy got his first Emmy nod in 21 years because he hosted Saturday Night Live. So I think that was kind of cool. Barnes (11:47):You talked about the Taylor Swift record. Did you see she's already come back with a new version of, what was the song? Cardigan? Leslie (11:55):Yeah, she has. I've seen all the videos. I've been listening to everything. Barnes (11:59):It's been, like, two minutes and now she's already got this out. Barnes (12:07):(singing) Barnes (12:08):What do they call this, the campfire mix? Leslie (12:10):Oh... Yeah, I think I told you on the phone, Barnes, that I love the Bon Iver Exile song. Barnes (12:19):I thought it was Bon Iver. Leslie (12:19):Bon Iver. Barnes (12:19):Is that how you say it? Leslie (12:20):Yeah. Barnes (12:21):I [crosstalk 00:12:22]. Leslie (12:21):... real name is Justin Vernon, I'm a big fan of his. Barnes (12:23):Oh... Leslie (12:24):So wait a second... Barnes (12:25):I like him. Leslie (12:25):You guys realize that she revealed the name of Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively's child in her song Betty? Barnes (12:30):This is funny. Cubby (12:30):Yeah. Barnes (12:32):I like Taylor Swift. I wish we could get her on here. You know anyone? Leslie (12:36):She's friends with Blake and... Barnes (12:36):Well, Butch Walker? Cubby (12:38):There you go. Barnes (12:38):Let's get... Come on. I think she's got an amazing voice and she's an astute businesswoman. Leslie (12:44):A great songwriter too. Yeah, she put that song Betty out, and the Swifties, they listen to every single lyric. They realized that she had revealed the name of Blake and Ryan Reynolds' baby. Barnes (12:55):I love this. It's like a little story. Leslie (12:57):Yeah. Cubby (12:58):Yeah, but Taylor is the queen of people probing and reading into things. She loves to just put out secrets in her songs, you have to figure things out. Like you need a decoder ring. Leslie (13:10):You do. Cubby (13:10):For all her music. Barnes (13:11):Listen to her little clues. So this is the song Betty, and here's the first one. So Inez and James are their twins, right? Leslie (13:18):Yes. Barnes (13:19):So here's the mention of Inez... (singing) Barnes (13:28):So then here's James... (singing) Barnes (13:38):And then of course... (singing) Barnes (13:46):So how are we supposed to deduce that this song Betty, we're supposed to know that Inez and James were the kids' names- Leslie (13:54):No, the Swifties knew that. Barnes (13:54):I'm asking like, "How was that decoded?" Who said, "Oh Betty, wait a minute. I hear James and Inez in there,"? Leslie (14:00):Because every time Taylor drops a record that's what her fans do. It's pretty incredible. Cubby (14:04):They get to work really is what they do. Leslie (14:06):They get to work, yeah. Barnes (14:07):I love her voice. Leslie (14:08):The VMAs were announced as well. Arianna Grande and Lady Gaga led the nominations. Leslie (14:15):Barnes, I know you're way into this, about this reboot for the Sopranos. Have you heard about this? Barnes (14:20):Oh, have I heard- Leslie (14:21):David Chase- Barnes (14:22):... about it? Leslie (14:22):... is returning to Jersey with the Many Saints of Newark, featuring a prequel to the Sopranos. Barnes (14:31):So it'll be a prequel? Leslie (14:32):Yeah, because I guess Tony Soprano's going to be played by, which is kind of eerie but cool, James Gandolfini's son. Barnes (14:39):Son, yeah. Leslie (14:39):Michael Gandolfini. Barnes (14:42):I heard from somebody on production just recently that worked on that show in the early days. And they were telling me that all those dudes, what do you call them in Jersey? Like the hangers-on? Cubby (14:52):Well, I mean, it's considered offensive. Guidos. Barnes (14:55):I don't know, so whatever. All the guys that were around tony, these were all these Mafia friends that they were approached and said, "Find them jobs." And even, the producers were like, "They're not actors." And they're like, "Find them a job." So all those, a lot of those guys not all of them, but a lot of those guys were given those roles on The Sopranos. Cubby (15:19):And that's why it was so real. Barnes (15:21):Yeah. Cubby (15:22):What do you guys think happened at the end? Don't Stop Believin's playing. We're at the diner. Leslie (15:27):So much controversy about the ending. I thought it was brilliant. Barnes (15:30):It's so weird. Cubby (15:32):I thought it was brilliant. I mean, I knew this was 13, 14 years old but I still love to hear peoples' take on what they think happened. Leslie (15:36):What, do you think that they all got killed or that they just lived on? Cubby (15:40):I think somebody took out Tony. That's what I think. Leslie (15:44):You do? Cubby (15:44):Yeah. Barnes? Barnes (15:46):I'm with you on that. How many years has it been? The finale was 10 years or more. Cubby (15:54):It was '07. No, it was 13 years. I want to say '07 or '08. Leslie (15:56):Yeah. Barnes (15:56):Yeah, a long time ago. My memory goes back about a week. Leslie (15:59):So this is a movie reboot. Who knows if it's going to be a TV show. They keep asking- Barnes (16:03):Oh, a movie? Leslie (16:04):... Yeah, they keep asking- Barnes (16:05):Oh, I thought you were saying it was- Leslie (16:06):... David Chase and he's like, "Oh, never say never," but how knows? Barnes (16:08):Wow. Leslie (16:08):And speaking of reboot, I guess Ratchet, a prequel to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is going to happen, starring Sarah Paulsen as Nurse Ratchet. Premiering September 18th on Netflix. Cubby (16:21):Do you have all the streaming services? I know we've talked about this before. Do you have, how many do you have, Leslie? You have Netflix, you have Disney Plus and all that? Leslie (16:29):I have that, I have Disney Plus, I have HBO Max, Showtime. Prime, which I never really look at anymore, Amazon Prime. Barnes (16:37):Yeah, but it comes with your membership. Leslie (16:39):Yeah, that's true, yep. Cubby (16:40):I'm still thinking about cutting the cord, and Barnes told me YouTube TV was great. Barnes (16:43):I love it. Cubby (16:43):I'm thinking about that. Barnes (16:45):Still. [crosstalk 00:16:45] they just raised their price 10 bucks, but still it's worth it. Cubby (16:48):Right. Leslie (16:49):And there's so much more but I think we should talk about Drew Barrymore. This is really cute. She's getting her own talk show. But this is how she promoted her talk show. It was Drew interviewing her seven-year-old self when her seven-year-old Drew Barrymore was interviewed by Johnny Carson. So cute. Barnes (17:09):Was it on The Tonight Show. Leslie (17:10):Yeah, Carson. Cubby (17:11):Yeah. Barnes (17:12):Her image was kind of shattered with me. I don't think you were with us. I think it was Jimmy and [Medge 00:17:19]. We went to a party in Canada. We were up there for the film fest. Remember that? Leslie (17:24):Yeah, I was up there with you. Barnes (17:25):[crosstalk 00:17:25] with Quentin Tarantino? And we went to this private party and Drew Barrymore was there. And she was anything but her persona. Cubby (17:33):What do you mean? Like she didn't seem friendly? Barnes (17:35):No. Maybe she had a bad night? Cubby (17:38):Right. Barnes (17:38):Who knows? I mean, at this point, this was probably 20 years ago, so she was, what, in her thirties? But I wanted to write it off as maybe it was a bad night. Nothing that happened to me, this is from an observer from a very small party where she was... Either she was agitated about something. I think that might have been during her Tom Green days. [crosstalk 00:17:56]. Leslie (17:55):Oh, I forgot about the Tom Green era. Cubby (17:57):I did too. Barnes (17:58):Yeah, but here's this clip. It's just 30 seconds. And you said it was The Tonight Show? Leslie (18:02):Yes, it was the The Tonight Show in 1982. Barnes (18:06):So this is Drew now sitting in Johnny's desk and they did a split screen and it's seamless, kind of like that Nike ad that's out right now. You can't tell that it's not for real-for real, and it's Drew interviewing herself. Drew Barrymore (18:18):Please welcome Drew Barrymore. Drew Barrymore (18:19):I've been waiting all my life to meet you. Drew Barrymore (18:22):It's been a wild ride. Can you believe I have two daughters around your age? Drew Barrymore (18:26):Kind of scary. Drew Barrymore (18:27):I have so much to fill you in on. Want to hear about our new daytime show? Drew Barrymore (18:32):I'd love to. Drew Barrymore (18:32):We're going to spend an hour, every day, celebrating life. Drew Barrymore (18:36):Oh... Drew Barrymore (18:36):I'm so excited I could scream. Want to do it with me? Drew Barrymore (18:40):Guys, ready?... Barnes (18:45):Love that. Cubby (18:46):Do you know I watch the old Johnny Carsons all the time? It's on every night, 10:00, on Antennae TV. 10:00 Eastern. Leslie (18:52):Talk about comedic timing. He was brilliant. Barnes (18:54):Yeah. Cubby (18:54):He's my favorite. Johnny Carson, what a legend. Leslie (18:58):That's your sleaze for this week, although we could go on for another hour. Barnes (19:03):Couple of new music items I wanted to hit you with. I don't know if you heard any of these; Billie Eilish with something brand new? Leslie (19:07):Yes, I like her. Leslie (19:08):(singing) Barnes (19:08):It's called My Future. (singing) Barnes (19:08):That kid is so smart. Leslie (19:30):Can I tell you, I met her last year? Barnes (19:32):Really? Leslie (19:32):She did a private show at Third Man Records, which is Jack White- Barnes (19:37):Wow. Leslie (19:37):... in the little Blue Room. Couple of hundred people, met her after. She was smiling, just really lovely. Because you think she's going to be very dark and moody. No, she was so sweet. And I was captivated by the show, completely captivated. Barnes (19:50):She seems very sweet. Her interview with, I forget if it was Fallon or someone, they went to her house and in her bedroom, hanging out. She makes all of her songs- Leslie (19:59):Yeah, with her brother. Barnes (19:59):... they make everything right there in the bedroom. Leslie (20:00):Yeah. Barnes (20:01):Bedroom pop, but she's not pop. But I think she's brilliant. Barnes (20:04):Dan + Shay, you familiar with those guys? Leslie (20:06):Yeah. Barnes (20:07):They're kind of a country crossover. This is their new one called I Should Probably Go To Bed. (singing) Barnes (20:25):Great voice. Leslie (20:26):Yeah, Shay has an incredible voice. You know they have that big hit? Cubby, I'm sure you played it, with Justin Bieber. Cubby (20:33):Yeah, we played it, yeah, sure did. Leslie (20:33):10,000 Hours. Cubby (20:33):Mm-hmm (affirmative). Leslie (20:33):Such nice guys. Cubby (20:37):But just something I want to say here, a little observation. Every tune we've played from every artist is so... I'm not trying to poo-poo on it, but it's all just chill. Have you noticed? Every song is like- Barnes (20:47):I think it's the state of peoples' minds right now. Cubby (20:49):... everything's just like... You didn't play one thing with a beat. Barnes (20:53):No. Well, that's just this week. Cubby (20:55):Well, it's true, it's one week. But yeah, everything's very chill, man. Barnes (20:58):Can we budget some drums, please? Cubby's pissed. Cubby (21:01):Yeah, give me some beats, man. Barnes (21:02):All right. Leslie (21:02):That song though is just in my head. Cubby (21:05):I was reading this on a website called SWNS Digital. And they say Americans are using music to stay connected during quarantine. Now, kind of sucks for us. We do a podcast and we talk for non-stop, like an hour. So I don't know if this is good or bad, but 79% of Americans credit music with helping them stay connected while social distancing. Hip hop is the genre that lifted peoples' spirits the most, 50%. Followed by rock at 46%, and pop, 45%. And the top songs making people quarantine dance, and this is the two songs that have shown up in all the playlists that people are making, Whitney Houston's I Want To Dance with Somebody, and Michael Jackson's Billie Jean are your most commonly chosen songs on all these quarantine playlists. Cubby (21:52):But yeah, credit music for helping people stay connected and happy. And I got to tell you, I don't know about you guys, if there's music on you feel instantly better. Maybe, I don't know, because of us, we're in the music because but if I'm in the kitchen and something's missing, hey... I won't say her name because it'll go off. Barnes (22:10):Yeah, everyone's room. Cubby (22:11):Yeah, but don't you guys think music is... Leslie (22:14):Yes. Cubby (22:14):Is the soul, you know? Leslie (22:15):I've been streaming a lot more music. And I think maybe because I'm at home, even though I'm working from home, I have more time and I am streaming a lot of music, and a lot of different music too. Barnes (22:24):It just puts your mood in a different place. When I sit down at the computer to work, unless I'm editing where there's sound I need to hear, I put music on. Cubby (22:30):And what about cleaning? Barnes (22:30):Yeah. Cubby (22:31):Do you know, if I put music on I will clean. I'll do a good hour of cleaning. Barnes (22:35):Well, podcasts though are taking over in that. They're talking about 70% of people who are doing chores are listening to podcasts. Cubby (22:41):Which I hope, yeah, it's good for us. Because I will admit, when I saw this I was like, "Oh wow, 79% of people say music is what is keeping them connected during a quarantine." I'm thinking, "Oh god, what does that mean for podcast." But podcast numbers are up. Barnes (22:55):All right, let's get Butch Walker on. Before he comes on, he's in the green room right now, listen. Have you heard this remix, not remix but version of this song that he did? Barnes (23:05):(singing) He did this two years ago. Cubby (23:11):So good. Barnes (23:12):That's pretty fast. Cubby (23:12):Yeah. (singing) Barnes (23:14):I love this version. (singing) Cubby (23:25):That's so cool. Barnes (23:28):All right, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the multi-talented, this guy does it all, every possible way. The guy is just the king. He is Butch Walker. What's going on, Butch? Butch Walker (23:38):Well, hello there. Barnes (23:40):How are you? Butch Walker (23:40):Man, I'm doing good. I'm just sitting in my dark, dirty basement. Which I'm not lying, I wish I had video for you to see, but it's the most disgusting basement I've ever seen. But I had to have a place to set up my recording rig while I'm getting my studio built. Barnes (23:58):That's hysterical. We were just playing Better Now. I just played the cover, which I love that version. Butch Walker (24:03):Oh, thanks. Barnes (24:04):And I love the video, just seeing you play all the instruments and sing at the same time. You're bragging, is what you're doing, Butch. Butch Walker (24:12):Totally. Not even humble. Not a bit, dude. Barnes (24:16):You covered that so early though. You covered that before, it wasn't even a hit yet, was it? Butch Walker (24:21):It was brand new, I think. Barnes (24:23):Yeah. Butch Walker (24:23):Every once in a while there's a pop song I just really can't stop singing, and that was one of them. When I'd hear it, I'd be like, "God, I hate that I love this song," or, "I love that I hate it." I don't know what it is. I just loved it. But I think it's a great song and it was really fun, sometimes I get a little bit free bits of time in the studio and I try and just occupy those with doing a random cover here and there. So really fun. Barnes (24:48):And you finished it off perfectly with the art work on the single when you had the tattoos around your eyes and stuff. I thought that was just, it was the full package, paying homage to Post Malone. Butch Walker (24:58):Totally, man. Well, so good to see and hear you guys. I can see you guys right now but I know you can't see me. Leslie (25:07):We've been talking a lot about you and obviously your career, which is just off the chart. And I have to say this about Butch Walker, the producer. I don't know of any other producer that has seamlessly worked every single genre. And also working from superstars to really brand new independent cool artists. Who else can do that? I mean, from working from everyone from Green Day and the Wallflowers to, I was just talking to Elizabeth Cook who you just produced. And she's like, "There's nobody else better." Butch Walker (25:40):Oh, Elizabeth. Oh, well... Leslie (25:42):Do you listen to just about everything? When you're deciding who you're going to work with, I'm sure that the music has to mean something to you, but what goes into that decision making for you when you want to work or produce someone? Butch Walker (25:57):I grew up listening to every kind of music. When you're young and living in rural Georgia whatever was on the radio I listened to. And so, my sisters had an eclectic bag of records, so I was listening to everything from, at the time, this would be what was fashionable at the time, was funk and disco and metal and punk and pop. And so, nothing was off-limits. And my mom, who listened to Al Green and CCR and loved Elvis. I mean, there was just so much of it, that I'd never had a filter for what I thought I was supposed to listen to and not listen to, which I loved. Butch Walker (26:33):And I tried to just always keep that with me in my back pocket when I'm working with people in the studio or when I'm looking at something to produce. I just think there's good music in every genre and so I'm attracted to whatever strikes me as good or appealing or interesting. And a lot of times, it's who it is. Like if I meet with the person and I really fall in love with their personality and think that they've got a lot to offer and they're talented, that's part of it, because life is too short to be in the studio making records with assholes. Leslie (27:06):Exactly. Butch Walker (27:08):So you know, it's always good to just be making records with good positive fun people that work hard and want to make great art. And there's no rules to me. Cubby (27:20):Really nice to meet you. Butch Walker (27:21):You too. Cubby (27:22):I've heard great things about you from Leslie and Barnes. And here's my question: You mentioned all these great artists you've worked with. Who have you not met that you were really digging, like you're digging their sound and you would love to work with? Butch Walker (27:36):That's a good question. Cubby (27:37):Like we were just talking about Billie Eilish on our show here. Butch Walker (27:39):Oh, that would be one. Cubby (27:40):Really? Butch Walker (27:41):I think she's fascinating. I think she's amazing. She's her own, she's an independent woman. She's badass. She does her own thing. Everything about her is exactly why she's huge right now. Barnes (27:53):You'd have to primarily Finneas out of the room before I think that would happen. Butch Walker (27:56):Yeah, I know, but that's what's so great about it. I know, it's a brother-sister thing, and that's what's great about it, is they made all that in their bedroom despite anybody telling them how to do it or what do it, which I thought was amazing. And those are the records that come along and make me so excited when they break the mold. Butch Walker (28:11):Like when Macklemore got big, because nobody, he ended up not signing to anybody because he just made the record himself with Ryan Lewis, and it was the biggest thing ever. And it was basically bucking the system. Butch Walker (28:26):I mean, I don't know, I always try, I love the DIY thing myself. I mean, I came from, as Leslie will attest to, I made a record in my living room in my underwear. And she started playing it and next thing you know, I had a top five hit on the radio that was done in a bedroom with two microphones. And that started me on the path to where I am, and I never forget that by the way, that that's what put to where I am today. Butch Walker (28:59):So when I see a kid like Billie and even Finneas, super talented, just sitting in a bedroom making completely experimental amazing pop music, that is so rad, man. That is the coolest. Butch Walker (29:16):So yes, that would be one of many, but it's kind of like going into Costco and walking out with nothing. You asked me a question, Cubby, that I can't even remember right off the top of my head, now that you've asked me. But I'll wake up in the middle of the night with 17 answers. Cubby (29:31):No, it's all good. Barnes (29:32):Butch, you're such a prolific songwriter. It seems like, to me, that you can't get up and walk to the refrigerator without coming up with a song. And then, you record it and then you have time to do everybody else's records. But you're the king of these kind of anthem hooks. I mean, one of my favorites off the new album is your grand hit call Fuck It (singing). Butch Walker (29:56):Nice. (singing). Barnes (30:00):Like to me, you got up one day and you're like, "Yeah, fuck it. Oh you know what? Turn on the gear. Let's go." Cubby (30:04):Right. Butch Walker (30:05):It was funny. Barnes (30:06):I love it. Butch Walker (30:06):Oh thank you, I'm glad you like it. That was one of the last songs I did for the record because it was like I had the whole song and didn't have the chorus. And I think the chorus I was saying something weird, like (singing), whatever, it sounded way too like eighties Aerosmith. But I was like... And then I finally said, "Oh, it totally works in that phrasing to say fuck it." And it fit with what I was talking about in the album too, which we can obviously get into or not. But that was my homage to early Toto I think in that song. I wanted- Cubby (30:46):And clearly no intentions to get that as a single. Butch Walker (30:48):No, sir. Beep, beep. Cubby (30:51):Right. Butch Walker (30:53):It would be funny if every time you hit it, it beeped. But yeah, I love big hooks. Those are fun. Leslie (31:01):And speaking of, honestly, American Love Story and the theme of this, you have been writing this record over the last few years but now, during pandemic and social injustice and everything else, I mean, you went there, which is great, and you talk about growing up in the South in a lot of interviews. I grew up in Alabama. Leslie (31:19):But you know we have this systematic racism everywhere, but this is an album unlike a lot of your records. What has been the more inspirational thing for you putting this out there? Butch Walker (31:32):Well, okay, that's a good question because I did the record over two years ago. Leslie (31:36):Right. Butch Walker (31:37):And I just sat on it. And I think that a lot of that was because I didn't know what to do with it, I didn't know if it would be a record that I could go do a conventional tour on, because I didn't think it would be fair to just go out and there and pepper in one or two songs from the record into my set of 30 years of music. And it'd be taken out of context because a lot of the lyrics on the record are sung from the firsthand perspective of very questionable protagonists. So there's some really dodgy shit been said lyrically. And that's because if you take it out of context people will be like, "What the hell did he just say?" I didn't want to cause that. Butch Walker (32:13):So I felt like it was something that was its own thing. So we kind of said, "Look, we would dub it in a rock opera, obviously is something you listen to from beginning to end. It tells a story." That being said, it needs to be its own show. It needed to its own concert or whatever, where you're placed front to back. But then you've got that whole thing of like, "Well, do I go out on a normal tour and then play a whole entire record that's new, that nobody's familiar with front to back?" Nobody wants that. Or maybe they do but I'm always trying to at least think of the fans in mind when I go tour because I'm blessed to still have an incredible, I like to think rabid, fan base. Leslie (32:51):You do. Butch Walker (32:52):That when they come to the shows, we're all one and we get into the show together. So I didn't want to disconnect from them for 45 minutes straight in one setting. So I sat on it, and I didn't do anything with it for two years. Butch Walker (33:08):And then pandemic, pandemonium 2020 happened and we were locked down and no one was putting out records, no one was touring. And I think that was synonymous with each other because they need to tour to put a record out and vice versa. And then it just felt like over the course of three years sadly the subject matter had not dated itself. It was still, it was worse than ever. Butch Walker (33:35):When it had somewhat been dormant and not been talked about or addressed as much in the media or on the streets, but more behind closed doors over the last however many years. And so, it just kind of came to a head over the last few years. Barnes (33:51):But you're taking these, they're all first person. If you haven't listened to the record, do it. Listen to the whole thing. He's taking on these different characters as he sings about these issues. Were you fearing alienation, politics wise? And I don't want to get political at all. Butch Walker (34:07):That's fine, that's fine. Barnes (34:07):I'm just saying when you put something out like that, do you fear that... Your fans are your fans. Butch Walker (34:13):Yes. Barnes (34:13):And what if some of them have drastic opinions on that type of thing? Wasn't that a risk? Butch Walker (34:17):Yeah, and they did, and they do. I realize I don't live in a bubble, for what it's worth. I grew up in the South, I grew up in this. A lot of these stories are true. And it's fictional characters based on real shit. And so, living all over the country and going back and forth to the South to the West coast all the time and touring a lot, I've gotten to see, I want to say I've gotten to see a lot in the last 30 years of doing this. And I had a lot to say about it. Butch Walker (34:52):But of course I knew there would be some blowback because sadly everything is politicized now. Everything. Barnes (34:59):Yeah, everything. Butch Walker (35:00):You're not going to just do this record and think that people aren't going to get offended by it. I mean, they got offended in the seventies when Randy Newman put out Good Old Boys, which he was singing about Leslie's home state, and my mom's home state by the way. And so, but he was singing from first-person perspective as well. And it was very like, "What the hell, man," you know? Butch Walker (35:25):But I kind of just looked at it as if I don't say it, if I don't say something about it, then what's the point? It's not art. Some of my favorite music was spawned during times of protest and strife and whatever. I mean, there's just so much amazing important music out there. Not that I'm trying to say mine is, but I'm just saying it inspired me to make the record. And so why would I not put it out there just because of what a couple of trolls online are going to say? Butch Walker (35:53):And that's fine, because I've said it a million times, that if somebody's got a problem with me calling out bigotry and racism then they're not my people and I want to show them the door anyway. Leslie (36:03):Amen. Butch Walker (36:03):And that's fine. And I don't give a shit if I lose... Jason Isbell said a great thing, he's like, "If I lose half my fans at least I get to keep all of my soul." Barnes (36:12):Ha. Butch Walker (36:13):And it's a beautiful thing, and only someone that prolific with words can say that. And I use it quite often because it's true. And luckily, I'd say the reaction though amazingly has been super positive. For the most part, it's been very positive. If you want to base it on Instagram followers, it didn't go down, they went up. And so, I'll take that as this must not have offended a lot of them. Maybe [crosstalk 00:36:48]. Barnes (36:48):Why did you get off of Twitter? Butch Walker (36:50):Well, and speaking of, that was just a breeding ground for just trouble, and for trolling and for hatred. That's the same reason I'm not on my Facebook account. All my socials are pretty much handled by management. When I'm in charge of doing the wording and doing the posting and copying to other social platforms and stuff, it's easy to get wrapped up and get emotional about all these heavy topics right now. And you're just going to end up... And what was sad is seeing how many that, "I've been following you for years and I can't believe you would say this and say that," and it's like, "How have you not known me that well after all this time?" Barnes (37:35):No surprise people. Butch Walker (37:35):Yeah, it's like all of a sudden everyone's completely shocked and appalled that an artist has a different opinion as them. And it's like, that's just the way it's going to be. Butch Walker (37:46):But with Twitter, I just got sick of it. And I was like, "I have 650,000 followers and I'm done." I hit delete and I was out. And also, I just wanted to stop letting it consume me because that shit's a drug and it consumes everybody. I see it. I see it all the day long. Everybody's buried in their phones, posting selfies and pictures of themselves and talking about other things a lot. And I have to do to promote, just like anybody else does, on, say, Instagram or whatever. But, man, I got to say at the end of the day you wake you sometimes and you go, "God, this is so stupid." Leslie (38:25):It's funny that you say that you were mentioning Jason Isbell and I follow Tom Morello and people like that. And when fans get on there and go, "Shut up and sing," I'm like- Butch Walker (38:34):Oh, Jesus Christ. Leslie (38:35):... "What are you talking about? That is ridiculous." So I totally get why you're off of it. I know that I have friends that are totally off Facebook because of the negativity. Butch Walker (38:43):Yeah. Barnes (38:44):People are looser on Twitter. They just say crap- Leslie (38:46):Oh, it's awful. Barnes (38:46):... and they just feel like they can hide. Cubby (38:47):You know, YouTube is bad too. Have you ever read the comments on YouTube? Butch Walker (38:50):Well, yeah. YouTube, to me, they were the original offender, for sure, of trolls, trolls farms. Cubby (38:59):YouTube is a great outlet, don't get me wrong. Butch Walker (39:01):Yeah. Cubby (39:01):But don't read the comments. The first comment will be like, "This song is great," and then 400 people after that will be like, "No, it isn't because this, this, this." Leslie (39:06):Right. Butch Walker (39:07):Oh yeah, yeah. Barnes (39:07):People just love to hate. Yeah. I mean, not everybody but this group of vile troll of people, they just love to hate, and they're going to hate no matter what it is. Butch Walker (39:17):And we grew up in a generation where, for the first half of our life, the Internet didn't exist and people didn't have a voice. Now everybody has a voice and everybody can say whatever the hell they want behind a keyboard with anonymity, that means no repercussions. Butch Walker (39:34):And so, coming up, making music in any kind of art, acting, movies, whatever, people were more reckless, there's was no governor on it, so to speak, because you weren't worried about what people were going to say because really there was no outlet for people to give you their opinion. You had music critics and you had film critics and that was only, like, 10 people, you know? And they didn't really speak for the common listener and the common movie watcher or whatever. Butch Walker (40:13):So now, everyone's a critic and I think they love that. It's a drug to them that they can actually be heard. And that's the other thing too, is on Twitter it was easier for me to engage. It was easier for me to bite back and as you know, I'm kind of a redneck so I bark very hard back. If somebody barks at me, I bark harder. And that's just not productive because that's what they love. They love that they actually... These are people that have been ignored their whole life and all of a sudden they can say something that will trigger you, and then all of a sudden you're engaging and it's a rush for them. They get butterflies in their stomach probably when they're reading and go like, "Oh my god, I actually got to this person. That's amazing. I matter," you know? So I just said, "Fuck all of y'all." Cubby (40:56):And wrote a song, Fuck. Butch Walker (40:57):Yeah, yeah, yeah. Leslie (40:58):I saw that interview you did with our friend Matt Penfield about your all-time favorite albums. We have some of the similar favorite albums, like Elvis Costello My Aim Is True, and Springsteen, Born to Run, Tom Petty. I have been dying to ask you though, because I know how much you love Queen. Butch Walker (41:14):Oh yeah. Leslie (41:14):What did you think of Bohemian Rhapsody, the movie? Butch Walker (41:17):You know what? I was pleasantly surprised because I'm always fearful of seeing music biopics, because even just watching the ones that were made for TV, which were always horrendous growing up, and as a producer and a person who knows my way around my studio and gear, it would drive me crazy to see them in the studio singing into the wrong end of the damn microphone, or something, in a scene. And I'd just be like, "No, the continuity's terrible. This is all wrong. That would never happen." Butch Walker (41:45):But you got to realize that a lot of people, a music lover is just going to watch it and not look for that stuff. So sadly, that ruined me a little bit. But I loved it. I loved it. I thought it was... And I took my son, who loves Queen as well. And by the way, I had nothing to do with that. He discovered it on his own. He's 13. Leslie (42:06):That's awesome. Butch Walker (42:07):And he loves musicals, he loves theater. He's a total theater actor. He's really good. And so, he loves the songs that are obviously way more like cinematic. So Queen, he loves. And so I took him to see it and I was just so pleasantly surprised with it. Obviously Rami Malek was so incredible. Leslie (42:29):So good. Butch Walker (42:29):He was uncanny. Cubby (42:30):So good. Butch Walker (42:31):And I mean, without that, what are you going to do? I couldn't even imagine it been Sacha Baron Cohen, who I love. But I could not have imagined him being Freddie Mercury. Even though he does everything to me great. But Rami Malek was just incredible. I couldn't believe it. And it was so fun to see that. It was all worth it just for the last 20 minutes of the Live Aid show. Leslie (42:53):Absolutely. Butch Walker (42:54):I mean, Jesus, they nailed every aspect of it when you watch it side-by-side. It's so incredible . Barnes (43:01):Butch, I want to ask you a question that not a lot of people can answer. And it's something that I think about, just comes through my brain. And when this happened, I thought about it because knowing you, what is it like to lose almost everything that you have? And I'm talking about the California fires. I can't imagine. Like, I just got chills just saying that. Leslie (43:24):Yes. Barnes (43:24):I can't imagine what that must be like. And it's been years, I know. But still, what is that like? Butch Walker (43:31):Well, you never think it's going to happen to you. And obviously, it's not death but it is some sort of a death. It's not as heavy weighted as a physical person passing. Barnes (43:46):Right. Butch Walker (43:46):But it is a dying of memories and things that you'll never get back that were close to you and were family heirlooms and vintage guitar collection. Barnes (44:00):Ah... Butch Walker (44:00):And my first guitar as a kid that my uncle gave me to learn on, and all these little things. Not to mention, my girl's, like her dad's war medals and burial flag and things like that. I mean, heavy, heavy stuff. Butch Walker (44:18):But after a couple of weeks of grieving and grieving pretty hard, and then having to do all the math and all the accounting of everything gone, that you really come out from going, "You know what? It's all just stuff," and you can literally move on. You can move on. Butch Walker (44:39):And there was a beauty in the load been so lightened that it was like, "Okay, where do we want to go? We can move and live anywhere. We can go anywhere." Barnes (44:49):Wow. Butch Walker (44:50):"We could go live on a farm in Italy if we wanted to. We only have two suitcases to our name." Barnes (44:54):Were you not home when the whole thing started? Butch Walker (44:56):No. Barnes (44:56):So you couldn't salvage anything? Butch Walker (44:58):No. Yeah, it was New York, I was playing two acoustic shows and had my family with me, and my son was only six months old at the time. And so, I came back with literally those two acoustic guitars and two suitcases and that was all we had. Barnes (45:14):How did you find out it was happening? Butch Walker (45:16):My friend Ryan, who is from Atlanta who lives in California now and who actually me with my charity now, he's an incredible human, but he used to come my old band Marvelous Three shows. He would stand outside and wait for me to come out after my shows and talk my head off. And he was just this really hyper, funny kid. Butch Walker (45:36):And I remember he hit me up one time, on a side note here, he hit me up one time online and said, "Hey, I'm thinking about moving to LA to try my hand at being a comedian or an actor." And I said, "Well, you'll be regretting it if you don't, so you should just go. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work out, you should try. You're young." Butch Walker (45:54):Ends up later, I run into him at the grocery store out in Malibu one day. And I was like, "What are you doing?" He said, "Well, I came out here. But it turns out I got a scholarship to Pepperdine University." Barnes (46:05):Wow. Butch Walker (46:05):And so, he rides motorcycles so we started becoming motorcycle buddies and riding all over the place. He's the one who, that morning, I had neighbors that were hitting me up at 5:00 AM West Coast time, and I was in New York, and was walking my son in Union Square. I started getting phone calls and stuff saying, "Dude, are you home? You got to get out. You got to get out," because the hillside was on fire where my house was. And I said, "No, I'm in New York. I mean, I don't know what's going on," but obviously there's a lot of close calls out there and a lot of scares. Butch Walker (46:41):So I did kind of take it with a grain of salt after been out there for only a year that there had been a couple of close calls with the weather. So I hit Ryan up and I said, "Hey man, just in case, will you just go to the house and grab some personals and stuff, just in case and maybe some guitars and some war medals and things like that?" So he dropped everything and went there, and then he called me. And I remember he called me and he was coughing and choking and out of breath. And I was sitting in Union Square at a coffee shop with my kid in a stroller. And he was like, "Man, I tried to get in there. There was a barricade on your street. The cops have blocked it off. I ran over the barricade in my truck." Barnes (47:22):Geez... Butch Walker (47:22):"And went to the house and I was trying to get up there but the smoke was too crazy," and blah-blah-blah. And he goes, "Man, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry." And I was like, "What are you sorry about?" And he goes, "Man, your house, it's just gone. Everything's gone." Barnes (47:33):Oh... Cubby (47:34):Gosh... Butch Walker (47:36):Yeah, and I broke down right there at this coffee shop. And I was like, "God, how am I going to go back to the hotel and tell everybody about this?" And that was the- Barnes (47:46):What a heavy load. Butch Walker (47:47):... longest, longest walk of my life back to the hotel room. Barnes (47:51):Wow. Butch Walker (47:52):It was crazy. It was just a big shock. But anyway, that was the beginning of a beautiful relationship with my buddy Ryan, who is, to this day now, has his White Heart organization that helps amputees, wounded veterans and raises a bunch of money. And now he's working for my pancreatic cancer charity, which is in honor of my late father Big Butch. So it's good, we have a good relationship now. Leslie (48:19):Thank you for that- Barnes (48:19):Man, I'm sorry that happened to you. Leslie (48:22):... thank you for recounting that story. Barnes (48:22):That's heavy. Leslie (48:23):Because I know that's painful. Butch Walker (48:24):No, it's weird. It's been so long, I got to the point where I would just make jokes about it now about, "Oh yeah, I had that guitar. It burned." You know? And I would just make jokes about it. Barnes (48:34):Right. Butch Walker (48:34):But when I tell the story I still get choked up, you know? Leslie (48:36):No, man, we're getting choked up hearing you tell the story. Barnes (48:38):Yeah. Butch Walker (48:39):It's a heavy load, you know, it was heavy thing. Barnes (48:41):Thanks for sharing that. Butch Walker (48:42):But also okay, but you know what? Like you say, it is just stuff. Leslie (48:43):Right, right. Butch Walker (48:46):And I realized, that how important more than anything of having people in your life and having friends was so much more important than having two of everything, and having watches or guitars or motorcycles, or anything like that. None of that stuff mattered if you have no friends and you have no people that love you and have no people that would come to your beck and call. Butch Walker (49:05):And, man, I was overwhelmed with people just coming and saying, "Dude, do you need to borrow," I mean, I had Brendan O'Brien and Michael [Byenhorn 00:49:14] and Jack Joseph Puig and these huge- Leslie (49:17):Wow. Butch Walker (49:17):... producers all coming to me and going like, "Dude, I couldn't imagine if that happened to me. If you need any of my gear, if you need to borrow anything, it's yours. You can have it as long as you want." Butch Walker (49:25):Had people showing up with clothes and stuff, and I was like, "Man, I don't even have... I'm okay financially at that point. I actually don't need this stuff but I can't believe people would reach out to do that." Although I did take some of the clothes because I was wearing the same pants that I came home. Cubby (49:42):God... Butch Walker (49:42):I only took one pair of jeans with me to New York, and I wore those until I couldn't wear them anymore. So it was nice to have, shows you have important family and friends are. Leslie (49:53):Absolutely. Butch Walker (49:54):Yes. Cubby (49:54):Well, Butch, on a much lighter note, let's talk about right now as we speak, I know you're in a dark basement. You're probably in your studio with your studio gear all around you. Are you currently producing something right now? What are you doing right now? Butch Walker (50:05):Yeah, it's been surprisingly very active this year. I've done a lot of records this year. And even during lockdown I've been finishing up on a few records that were needing to get done that I worked on before. Everybody had to stay out of the studio. So I mean, I was lucky enough to get the new Green Day record out before all the lockdown happened. And it went to number one and I couldn't have been happier about that because that was a labor of love, working on that record with those guys. Butch Walker (50:37):And then, after that I had a couple of other records here in the pipeline that I've done, which I guess I could go ahead and let the cat out of the bag on the ones I'm working on because they're not going to be out for a minute now that we're in a pandemic but they are coming out. Barnes (50:53):Scoop. Butch Walker (50:54):So I just finished a record for Jewel. Barnes (50:56):Oh... Butch Walker (50:56):Which is an amazing record. Nothing like she's ever done before. Leslie (51:00):Love Jewel. Barnes (51:01):She's former top fiver. Butch Walker (51:03):She's incredible. Still should be. Barnes (51:07):Yeah, she's gorgeous. Butch Walker (51:08):Yours. And then just did a new record for the Wallflowers. Leslie (51:12):Oh, that's awesome. Butch Walker (51:13):Which is incredible as well. I'm super proud of that one. Finishing up a Matt Nathanson record which is very good. Love that guy and love this record. Barnes (51:22):Hold on, back up to Wallflowers. Butch Walker (51:24):Yeah, yeah, yeah. Barnes (51:26):There's such a unique sound that they have. What are you doing to them? Don't mess with that. Butch Walker (51:29):Nope. Barnes (51:30):Don't mess with that. Butch Walker (51:30):No, dude, you think Jacob would let me? Barnes (51:34):True. Butch Walker (51:35):He's one of the rare instances, and he and I have been friends for years. And you know, it's funny, that dates back to our first time meeting each other, Leslie, was at the Christmas show that I came in last minute with Marvelous Three to take the place of Vertical Horizon for the Christmas show. Leslie (51:50):Yeah. Butch Walker (51:50):When they canceled last minute. Leslie (51:53):I remember that. Butch Walker (51:53):And it was us and the Wallflowers on the bill. And we played, and the Wallflowers, of course, they were scheduled to headline. I remember Jacob, that was the first time that I met him because when we got offstage he came up to me and he goes, "You mean we have to go on now after that?" Because we were whatever, we were so crazy and hyper and put on a high-energy show. Barnes (52:16):And he's so chill. Butch Walker (52:17):He's so chill. Barnes (52:18):He is so chill... Butch Walker (52:18):But you know what? He lets the songs do the talking. Barnes (52:21):Yeah. Butch Walker (52:21):And I learned a lesson from that too, of like, "I need to try to aspire to write songs as good as this guy can write." And I'm telling you, he still writes them just as good. Barnes (52:30):He's so good. I love them. Butch Walker (52:32):We've all become close, all of our families have become super close, vacation together throughout the years, that he finally asked me, and I never pushed it because I was like, "One day, that dude needs to ask me to make a damn record for him, and I'm never going to,"... I don't push it on people, you know? Barnes (52:47):You're like, "Hey, I produce, by the way." Butch Walker (52:49):Yeah, no, and he knows. But he always has said, he's like, "You know, we could never work together professionally because you just would not want to be my friend anymore." And so, he finally said, "I want you to make a new Wallflowers record." I said, "Let's go." Leslie (53:01):Of course. Yeah, I love the Weezer record you did too. Butch Walker (53:05):Oh, man, we had a fun time doing that too. Leslie (53:08):It's funny, I think I remember texting this to you several years ago, but we did a Crossroads at CMT with Fallout Boy. Butch Walker (53:15):Oh yeah. Leslie (53:15):And talking to those guys about you. And they were like, "Yeah, we were kind of punks and Butch set us straight," but they basically said when you do a record with Butch Walker, you're suddenly cooler. Butch Walker (53:27):That's funny to me, but I mean, I love hearing that obviously. But it's certainly... I don't know if that's true. I think we just had such an chemistry between me and Pat and Pete, and they had such an interesting Elton John-Bernie Taupin thing going where all the lyrics were written by the bass player who doesn't sing a lick, and all the songs are written and composed by the singer who doesn't write lyrics. But, man, what a combination. So super fun to work with and I love those guys so much. Barnes (53:59):Can you please just mix our podcast so we can put on there mixed by Butch Walker? Butch Walker (54:04):Sure. Barnes (54:04):I'm going to send you the files. Butch Walker (54:06):Sure. Barnes (54:07):And then all of a sudden Rolling Stone's going to say, "From Taylor Swift to the Pop Culture Show, Butch Walker." I think that'd be so funny. Leslie (54:13):You know, Butch, I was telling Barnes about last year at the Pilgrimage Festival, which one of my favorite festivals. It was the last time I got to see you live. But your live show is in the top five for me of all live shows. Butch Walker (54:26):Oh... Leslie (54:26):And we all go see a lot of- Barnes (54:28):So much energy. Leslie (54:29):... it's unbelievable. You're up there, for me, with Soundgarden and Rage Against The Machine, but the energy... But a lot of people go to concerts and it's like a social event but when they go see Butch Walker, your fans are with you from beginning to end. And you look out into the crowd and it's people of all ages. What is happening in your mind when you are onstage? Because you go somewhere else. Butch Walker (54:51):I do. And thank you for the kind words. I mean, I just love playing and performing and getting out all of my aggressions and sadness and madness and everything that happens throughout the day. All the bullshit. You get 30 minutes to two-and-a-half hours depending on what I'm doing, headlining or opening, to just get it all out. And it's therapy.

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Good News Everyone!The Baby Beard Crew have gathered around the table with d20's, dragons and Gygax on the brain. Are they about to play D&D? No, you silly things, they're talking 'Bender's Game'.Ellen stands up for Mork fans everywhere, Sean is still creeped out by Nurse Ratchet, and Phil experiences narrative blue balls. Do YOU have the ability to use your imagination? Tell us here or on Twitter (@babybeardmedia). Drop us a like or leave a review on iTunes. All our stuff is on Spreaker, Stitcher, and Youtube - and our faces are on Instagram.

Good News Everyone!The Baby Beard Crew have gathered around the table with d20's, dragons and Gygax on the brain. Are they about to play D&D? No, you silly things, they're talking 'Bender's Game'.Ellen stands up for Mork fans everywhere, Sean is still creeped out by Nurse Ratchet, and Phil experiences narrative blue balls. Do YOU have the ability to use your imagination? Tell us here or on Twitter (@babybeardmedia). Drop us a like or leave a review on iTunes. All our stuff is on Spreaker, Stitcher, and Youtube - and our faces are on Instagram.

Maggie and I are here with the next episode of Orphan Black, the one where the police finally show up at the Hendrix's front door because of a pile of dead Portuguese. OOPS!Truthfully, while I would love for Helena to get away with the massacre scot-free (because fuck those people amirite) I'm also pleased that this is coming back to bite them a little bit. Can't have our people pulling off mass-murders and just getting away with it, or else they'd all want to do it! There have to be stakes, right? Speaking of stakes, this thing in Sarah's cheek is giving me a little too much in that area. I just can't handle how nervous I am while she's in that damned dentist's chair, and they insist on showing us that damn video of the tendrils over and over again to just keep it fresh in my mind how horrific her death would be. I knew that Nurse Ratchet over here wouldn't succeed in getting it out, but I allowed myself a sliver of hope that she'd manage it just because the whole thing has me so damn on edge. There's actually a great deal happening in this episode so I will just let it speak for itself, and thanks for listening!

America has become the country of over sensitive people. We're all too afraid of hurting someone/ extreme P.C. "The Reverend Curb Feeler/ Mark Milspaugh" lead singer and bassist for "Nurse Ratchet."

In today's episode of LISTEN TO THE PROPHETS: A STAR TREK DEEP SPACE NINE PODCAST, your three intrepid hosts discuss the third and final part of the second season opener, an episode entitled The Siege. With Bajor in turmoil and Deep Space Nine under attack by rogue forces, Sisko and the command crew have to play a tactical game of hide an seek on the station to buy time for Kira and Dax to make it to the Bajoran Ministers with info on who is really behind the rebel uprising on the planet. Will the Federation be able to clue the Bajorans in on the Cardassian treachery before the planet is thrown into civil war, or will Nurse Ratchet and Perry White pull out a political coup? Only Paul Spataro, Andrew Leyland, and Shawn Engel will let you know...well, I guess Wikipedia or Netflix would let you know as well, but they won't give you the humor and insight that these three will. So grab your mp3 player of choice, download the show, and take some time to...LISTEN TO THE PROPHETS. Feedback for this show can be sent to: listentotheprophets@gmail.comListen to the Prophets is a proud member of the Two True Freaks! (http://www.twotruefreaks.com/main.php) family of podcasts, the best place on the internet to find shows about Star Wars, Star Trek, Comics, Movies, and anything else that the modern geek could ever want. The show can be found on iTunes by searching for Two True Freaks Presents: Listen to the Prophets or it can be downloaded from the website directly here. And if you are downloading the show through iTunes, please be sure to leave a rating, hopefully a FIVE STAR RATING, because every rating we get helps people to know that the show is out there. Thanks for downloading, and come back next time and take some time to...LISTEN TO THE PROPHETS.

In today's episode of LISTEN TO THE PROPHETS: A STAR TREK DEEP SPACE NINE PODCAST, your three intrepid hosts discuss the third and final part of the second season opener, an episode entitled The Siege. With Bajor in turmoil and Deep Space Nine under attack by rogue forces, Sisko and the command crew have to play a tactical game of hide an seek on the station to buy time for Kira and Dax to make it to the Bajoran Ministers with info on who is really behind the rebel uprising on the planet. Will the Federation be able to clue the Bajorans in on the Cardassian treachery before the planet is thrown into civil war, or will Nurse Ratchet and Perry White pull out a political coup? Only Paul Spataro, Andrew Leyland, and Shawn Engel will let you know...well, I guess Wikipedia or Netflix would let you know as well, but they won't give you the humor and insight that these three will. So grab your mp3 player of choice, download the show, and take some time to...LISTEN TO THE PROPHETS. Feedback for this show can be sent to: listentotheprophets@gmail.comListen to the Prophets is a proud member of the Two True Freaks! (http://www.twotruefreaks.com/main.php) family of podcasts, the best place on the internet to find shows about Star Wars, Star Trek, Comics, Movies, and anything else that the modern geek could ever want. The show can be found on iTunes by searching for Two True Freaks Presents: Listen to the Prophets or it can be downloaded from the website directly here. And if you are downloading the show through iTunes, please be sure to leave a rating, hopefully a FIVE STAR RATING, because every rating we get helps people to know that the show is out there. Thanks for downloading, and come back next time and take some time to...LISTEN TO THE PROPHETS.