The Creative Couples Podcast

In this episode we sat down with the wise and passionate Caleb and Kara Campbell. Caleb is a U.S. Army Veteran and former NFL player turned Leadership Speaker, Trainer, and Podcaster. Kara is a former celebrity chef and event connoisseur turned relationship coach who empowers others to trust themselves and know their inherent value. Caleb and Kara share their inspiring career stories full of unique experiences that led them into their current creative careers and the story of how a writing retreat unexpectedly helped them meet and fall in love.We dive into so many good topics in this episode including the importance of self work, singleness vs. marriage, how to regulate your emotions, what it looks like to be present in our bodies, creating safe spaces for others, and why death is often a prerequisite to life.We also talk about sitting in the tension of unanswered questions, and what to do when our lives end up looking nothing like we thought they would. Caleb and Kara are deep wells of wisdom and advice and are also two of the most genuine souls we've had the pleasure of knowing. We hope this episode inspires and challenges you to grow relationally with both your partner and yourself. Links Referenced in the Episode:Kara's Cookbook: ToastThe Pistol: The Birth of a Legend The Count of Monte CristoBluebird Diner in Stanford, KYBe Kind To Yourself - Andrew PetersonThe Enneagram InstituteGuest Links:(r)Evolutionary Relationships PodcastCaleb Campbell's WebsiteCaleb Campbell's InstagramKara Campbell's WebsiteKara Campbell's InstagramThe Creative Couples Podcast Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

This is a special episode where we discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly of creating this podcast together and what it means for The Creative Couples Podcast in 2022.We talk about how the podcast has impacted our marriage positively and negatively, the difference between choices and sacrifices, quality over quantity, our favorite episodes, what we've learned about being better co-creators, and why no one is good at multitasking. In addition to sharing important life updates that affect the podcast, we talk about how to be more sustainable in your creative projects.We don't want to contribute to the podcast graveyard, so we'll share our plans to sustain the podcast for the future. We are grateful that you've listened on this journey with us.Don't forget to leave a review on Apple Podcasts!Links Mentioned in this Episode:The Tim Ferriss ShowHow I Built the Tim Ferriss Show EpisodeThe Myth of MultitaskingWhy Multitasking is a Myth That's Breaking Your BrainHow Day Jobs Help Your Freelance CareerOutsourcing Creative WorkFrankie Orella on SpotifyThe Creative Couples Podcast Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

Ever met someone who went from working for FEMA to being a full-time musician? What about a hospital grief counselor to a photographer and life coach? Yeah, us either… until this episode! We sat down with the hilarious and entrepreneurial powerhouse, Dan and Katie Snyder. Dan is a songwriter, producer, and keyboard player who has supported multiple artists and toured with bands of his own. Katie is a life coach, photographer, and podcaster. They've played significant supporting roles in each other's creative pursuits over the years. Dan has assisted Katie with capturing and editing photos, and Katie has tour managed for one of Dan's bands.Their career stories are fascinating and motivating as they discuss the life-altering moments and decisions that led them to where they are now.We chatted about how they make creative and business decisions together, why it's important to do the things we're afraid of, why hiring more skilled people helps your business grow, balancing multiple creative passions, and how to not care so much about other people's opinions. Dan and Katie are inspiring, encouraging, and so genuine in how they communicate their wins and losses. We appreciated their honesty on how working together affects your marriage and the ways they've balanced career and relationship. Links Mentioned in Episode:McKay's BookstoreMinimum Viable Audience - Seth Godin BlogZero Percent Market Share - Seth Godin BlogPaper Lights DocumentaryPaper Lights - merch for saleGuest Links:Dan's Main InstagramKatie's Main InstagramaReverie & Paper Lights WebsiteKatie's PhotographyLife Coaching LinkDoing Scary Things PodcastThe Creative Couples Podcast Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

Day jobs and freelance work are often seen as mutually exclusive options. But in this episode, we share how day jobs may actually be beneficial to freelance work. It may not be obvious, but when you're starting out in a career and/or working with your spouse to create together, a day job may be exactly what you need to kickstart a creative freelance career. And sometimes your day job may show you exactly what you don't want in a career; that's helpful too. As we share parts of our career journeys so far, we'll share with you how we've seen various day jobs impact 3 key areas:Financial stability Skill-buildingOpportunities through relationships or experiencesWe also talk about why relationships mean more than you might think, the importance of nurturing your freelance career in its early stages, when to take a risk, and discovering transferable passions and skills in your work.Getting to do something you love full-time is a gift, but if you take that leap too soon, it might end in burnout and a strained marriage. We propose another option that gives you stability in your career and relationships.Our hope is by sharing different opportunities our day jobs gave us, it'll help you in your day job, or if you're trying to make a freelance career work while also needing money. Saying “yes” to a day job doesn't have to be a “no” to everything else. Give yourself the freedom to make a decision knowing that you don't have to live with that decision forever. It may in fact be the door to your next and better opportunity.Links Mentioned in this Episode:Chris and Corinne on the value of relationshipsAdditional Resources on This Topic:Career Wisdom from Adam Grant7 Tips for Balancing Freelancing and Your Full Time JobMy Husband and I are Both Full-Time FreelancersHow to Balance Freelance Work with Your Full-Time JobThe Creative Couples Podcast Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

In this episode, we sat down with the incredibly talented Chris Leidhecker and Corinne Bupp. Chris is a touring drummer who also recently built a beautiful backyard studio where he does live tracking and writes music for film and tv. Corinne is an actor with experience in both the commercial and narrative worlds of theater, film, and voiceovers.After falling in love in a live musical production at an amusement park and spending their first couple years together in California, Chris and Corinne moved to Nashville with big dreams and little connections. They share the story of what it was like to move to a new city and build freelance careers as a musician and actor and the importance of relationships and reliability. We talk about why kindness matters just as much as skill, building genuine relationships instead of focusing on networking, combatting the lies we tell ourselves, and unexpected gifts in a global pandemic. They also shared how they keep their marriage a priority and stay connected when they spend so much time apart. Their answers were surprising and so refreshing. We were so grateful to hear their story and thought it was nothing short of inspiring! If you are self-employed, freelancing, or just need encouragement in your relationships, this is a great episode for you.Links Mentioned in Episode:Neville Longbottom and the Black WitchPictures of Chris' studioChemex CoffeeKnoebels Amusement ResortGuest Links:Chris Leidhecker WebsiteChris Leidhecker InstagramCorinne Bupp InstagramThe Creative Couples Podcast Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

How much of YOU do you put into what you create? How much of YOU should you put into what you create?In this episode, we talk about identity as it pertains to art and work. We discuss what's healthy and what's helpful. We share how being creators feels like walking around with our hearts on our sleeves, why the way we introduce ourselves matters, the effects of social media on our identity, and a little pep talk for weary creative hearts.And when it comes to marriage, understanding how identity influences how you work together is so important. We discuss our own experiences with this and the potential for an identity crisis if you're putting too much of yourself into work that is fundamentally cooperative. Part of being in a committed relationship is practicing compromise and sacrifice. But give up too much of your identity and you water down the art; steamroll your identity over your partner and you miss out on additional creativity. Enjoy our thoughts on identity and art, and if you have thoughts on this subject we'd love to hear them - let us know on Instagram!Links Mentioned in Episode:Atomic Habits - James ClearDeciding Who You Want To Be - Danny GevirtzCan Couples Create Together?Additional Resources on This Topic:How Identity Shapes Our Creativity How much “You” should you put in your writing?Artist's personal lives: Does it play a role in how you view their art?On the impossibility of separating art from artistThe Artist's PersonaThe Importance of Artist IdentityThe Creative Couples Podcast Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

In this episode we shared drinks and deep, meaningful conversation with Alyssa and Naphtali Marshall. At minimum, Naph is an award-winning digital designer and creative branding expert, and Alyssa is an e-commerce entrepreneur and stay-at-home mom boss with their three girls. They've also seen satisfaction in many creative endeavors throughout their marriage including photography, music, web design, and more. But it's not their resume we wanted to talk about most with them. What we loved most about our conversation with the Marshall's was their willingness to share how they processed their grief as a couple while their oldest daughter went through cancer treatment. We talked about using creativity as an outlet for grief, processing trauma as a couple versus individually, finding your why in your work, the importance of supporting each other's goals and sacrifices, and learning to balance work and family. This conversation felt really special. The intersection of immense grief and creativity is sacred, and it was an honor to “go there” with these friends. Whether cancer has touched your life in some way or not, this episode gives great perspective on suffering of any kind and the value from creating from suffering. If you are an entrepreneur, this conversation is also full of insights and advice on running your business as it pertains to social media and the process of dreaming and goal-setting with your partner. Enjoy our conversation with Alyssa and Naph!Links Mentioned in Episode:Acqua Al 2 - Florence RestaurantProcreate on iPadVoice of the Heart (8 emotions) - Chip Dodd12 Stages of GriefAnger painting of Lion on Help GalleryStages of Grief Ep - Frankie OrellaThe Gospel Comes with a House Key - Rosaria ButterfieldGuest Links:Help Gallery Website - Art Therapy with a StoryHoneydew Goods WebsiteAlyssa's InstagramHoneydew Goods InstagramHelp Gallery InstagramNaph's InstagramNaph's Photography InstagramNaph's Digital Art InstagramThe Creative Couples Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

A quick special episode on making hard choices when your career, life, creative projects, parenthood and marriage are all vying for your focus and attention.The Creative Couples Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

This is Part 2 of us trying to make sense of life with a newborn :) Part 1 was recorded in Week 2 post-baby, and Part 2 was recorded in Week 10. And if you're a parent, you already know… a lot can change in 8 weeks. So we felt like we needed one more episode to reflect on how these drastic changes are affecting our careers and marriage.Despite our lack of sleep, we somehow managed to cover a ton of topics including the fear of not working, controlling emotions, “crawling productivity” through postpartum, breast pumping while traveling, solo parenting, the power of saying no, why priorities are more important than ever, and parenting advice that affects our careers.There's also a lot of discussion about adapting to a new - often limiting - schedule to get creative work done. Bonus points if you can count how many times Spencer says “blocks of time.”If you want to hear how 2 new parents try to ease back into working with a newborn and how to maximize limited time with little sleep, this episode is for you!Links Mentioned in Episode:Moms on CallYou Can Have a Social Life When You Have a Baby, and This is HowNew Parent Emotions: A Cry in the DarkMeg and Micah Kandros-Owning a Design/Photography Studio, A Coffee Love Story, and How to Fail Forward Making the Time for Creative WorkAdditional Resources on This Topic:Attention New Parents: Your Life Is NOT Over Now that You Have KidsThe Loneliness of Early ParenthoodThere's a Better Way to Parent: Less Yelling, Less PraiseThe Creative Couples Podcast Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

In this episode, we sat down with business owners, Meg and Micah Kandros. Meg owns her own practice as a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, and Micah is an award-winning designer and photographer.Meg and Micah are both seasoned professionals in their industries and are passionate about going against the status quo of “the grind” and “hustle culture” that includes Micah being a founding member of the Not Crushing It Club - this will make sense when you hear him talk about it. With two businesses to run and three boys to raise, these two have so much wisdom in how they manage their priorities and still run successful businesses. We specifically talked about making sacrifices for dreams, the fear that comes from starting a business, using your skills to support your spouse, working in the same location with your spouse, and why we should reconsider our ideal view of retirement. We also talk about the benefits of working in a corporate job before stepping out on your own and how to gain freedom to take career risks with a “fail forward” mindset.There's something for everyone in this episode, and we hope you find it as insightful and encouraging as we did.Links Mentioned in Episode:The Myth of SisyphusStarbucks Health InsuranceRestoring Beauty: The Good, the True, and the Beautiful in the Writings of C.S. LewisLifeway / B&H PublishingHope Clinic for WomenTrevecca Counseling Grad School ProgramGuest Links:Micah Kandros DesignMicah Kandros PhotographyMeg Kandros CounselingMicah Kandros Studio InstagramMicah Kandros Photography InstagramThe Creative Couples Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

9 days after having our first child we decided to sit in front of our microphones and candidly record our thoughts on how creativity was going with a newborn. We talk about the helpful ways working with your spouse prepares you to be a team in stressful situations and a more relaxed way to work after having a baby. We also dive into the unexpected waters of deep creative thinking when our logic is turned off, and how you're more aware of creativity in unexpected places.Appearances by Nurse Angels, Matthew McConaughey, Nick Miller, and Finch (the newborn).Parents or not, if you enjoy unfiltered, sleep deprived thoughts, you will love this episode! And yes, there will be a Part 2, because after listening to this episode weeks later, some things have already changed :)Links Mentioned in Episode:Ascension Saint Thomas Hospital MidtownGreenlights - Matthew McConaugheyNew GirlEp 3 Making Time for Creative WorkAdditional Resources on This Topic:What Happens to a Woman's Brain When She Becomes a MotherAfter having a baby, dad's brain changes tooHow to Work From Home With a BabyThe Creative Couples Podcast Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

In this episode, we sat down with Kelly and Branson Horn. Kelly is a Teacher turned Floral Designer and Business Owner of Echoes of Eden Florals, and Branson works in the corporate banking division of Regions Bank. We've known the Horns for a few years and have always been inspired by Kelly's journey to take her floral business from a side hustle to thriving business and the way her and Branson worked on it together. We chatted about getting married young, trauma that led to a dream career, creative empathy in the corporate world, and how to be a supportive spouse while still maintaining healthy boundaries.If you've wrestled with the idea of turning a side hustle into a full-time business, or you want to know how to better support a spouse who's a business owner, this episode is for you. Branson and Kelly share their experience of what it's really like to start a business, when it's wise to separate work and marriage, and how to build habits that remain in seasons of busyness.Branson and Kelly's vulnerability was such a gift, and they are both wise beyond their years. We hope you get as much out of this conversation as we did!Links Mentioned in Episode:Teach For AmericaSeeds of Service: ways to give back to the communityEric Mosley on making corporate work creative and human-focusedGuest Links:Echoes of Eden WebsiteEchoes of Eden InstagramWedding Flowers featured in People MagazineSouthern Bride Magazine featureNashville Bride GuideThe Creative Couples Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

We all want to do things that bring us joy and fulfillment, but more often than not, we feel bound by the ever present, yet elusive, time. If you're in a full-time job and are struggling with how to get your passion project off the ground, or you're someone who has nothing but time but is crippled by not knowing where to begin, this episode is for you. In this episode we will share 3 tips that have given us control of our time, instead of it controlling us. We'll also chat about how a hair dryer saved our podcast, how to manage schedules and priorities, reasonable expectations, and how our phones are often the number one thing keeping us from our most important work. Links Mentioned in Episode:How to dry out a mixer Mind Management, Not Time Management Achieving Creative FlowAdditional Resources on This Topic:How to Balance Full-time Work with Creative Projects 6 Ways to Find Time to do Your Creative WorkThe Best Time to Do Creative WorkThe Creative Couples Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

In this episode, our guests are Ben Johnson and Lauren Conklin, an extremely talented musical couple as artists, songwriters, producers, and performers.We chatted about setting goals and work ethic, giving constructive criticism to your partner, supporting each other in an industry with high highs and low lows, and how they stay married when Ben wakes Lauren up at 2am for songwriting inspiration.From meeting at an orchestra camp in middle school to reconnecting and falling in love in college at Belmont University in Nashville, TN, Ben and Lauren are passionate about creating fulfilling careers and encouraging not just each other, but their friends in doing the same.If you need some inspiration to keep going in your creative field, this episode is for you. We talk about what separates the successful from the hopeful, how to counteract feelings of aimlessness, and what's to be gained by simply showing up.This conversation was fun, refreshing, and really encouraging. We hope you enjoy it!Links Mentioned in Episode:As Real As You Make It (film)Steal Like an Artist By Austin Kleon Show Your Work by Austin Kleon The Zeigarnik Effect Believe by Meek Mill and Justin TimberlakeThe War of Art by Steven Pressfield Malcom Gladwell's 10,000 hours ruleWhile My Guitar Gently Weeps | Help! by Frankie Orella and Lauren ConklinWater Music Part II EpOcean ConservancyGuest Links:Ben's WebsiteBen's Instagram Lauren's WebsiteLauren's Instagram LisforLuckyCreationsTrack45 WebsiteThe Creative Couples Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

“Wait, so you and your spouse actually work together on projects?” “How do you still like each other?” “Doesn't it cause fights?” These questions were actually, in a lot of ways, the catalyst for the birth of The Creative Couples Podcast. In our first episode, we answer these questions and talk about how we've worked together successfully and sometimes not so successfully.So can couples actually create together? Absolutely, and we make the case for why we think it's actually more beneficial for your relationship to co-create as opposed to avoiding it.We'll share 5 areas of advice that we've found helpful when creating together as a couple.Be sure to listen to the episode for a more detailed explanation of each one of these and some stories to go with it.Links Mentioned in Episode:Paterson (film)The 24 hour ruleAdditional Resources on This Topic:4 ways to support your spouse's creativityAdvice from couples who work togetherPros and cons of couples working together6 tips for working alongside your spouseThe Creative Couples Links:Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.

Welcome to The Creative Couples Podcast where we share stories and insight to support creative work in marriage. This trailer episode shares why we're making this podcast, who it's for, and what you'll learn. Each episode is either a short conversation between co-hosts, Frankie Orella and Spencer Holleman, or a longer conversation with guest couples who do creative work. Sign-up for our email list to get all the in-depth episode info, extra content, and creative insight.Follow us on Instagram.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Visit The Creative Couples Podcast website.Visit Frankie Orella's website.Visit Spencer Holleman's website.