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In February 2021, the Myanmar military toppled the civilian government of Burma, lead by Aung San Suu Kyi. Mass protests followed this coup and were brutally suppressed by the military junta. Soon, an insurgency sprang up. For much of this conflict, the Burmese military has had the upper hand. But things changed dramatically in recent weeks. Now, the Burmese military looks as weak as it ever has in its nearly 40 years of on and off again control of Myanmar. The Junta's defeat suddenly looks like a real possibility. Joining me to provide important context for understanding the civil war in Myanmar is Gregory Poling, director of the Southeast Asia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. We kick off discussing the outbreak of conflict in Myanmar following the 2021 coup. Gregory Poling does a good job of breaking down the complexities of a civil war that involves a wide number of ethnic armed groups, many of which have now joined in an alliance to defeat Burmese military. We also discuss the role of China and the United States, and whether or not we can expect a collapse of the Myanmar Junta in the near future.
Ce n'est pas un phénomène nouveau, mais le ton monte entre les Philippines et la Chine. Des tensions renouvelées ces dernières semaines autour du navire que les autorités philippines ont fait échouer il y a deux décennies sur un atoll disputé en mer de Chine méridionale. La Chine se montre de plus en plus présente dans l'espace maritime, entrant en conflit avec plusieurs nations dans la région. Jusqu'où cela pourrait-il aller ? La Chine, le Vietnam, les Philippines, la Malaisie, Brunei et Taïwan revendiquent des parties de la mer de Chine méridionale, où transitent chaque année, selon les estimations, 3,37 milliards de dollars, soit 21 % du commerce mondial.La Chine se montre de plus en plus revendicatrice dans la région : « Cette partie de l'océan Pacifique est extrêmement riche en ressources naturelles diverses : pétrole, gaz, nourriture et tant d'autres choses », souligne Mats Engman, ancien haut gradé de la marine suédoise, expert à l'institut du développement et la sécurité.C'est aussi une voie maritime très importante qui traverse cette région. Si vous étendez votre contrôle à cette partie de l'océan, vous pouvez également contrôler des lignes de communication vitales pour la paix et la sécurité et pour le commerce international.Mats Engman poursuit en expliquant qu'il y a aussi la volonté d'isoler davantage Taïwan en essayant de réduire le nombre de pays qui entretiennent actuellement des relations diplomatiques avec cet archipel, tenter de persuader certains pays de changer leur reconnaissance diplomatique de Taipei : « Il y a ensuite les aspects militaires et stratégiques : en étendant son contrôle aux eaux profondes, récifs et îles artificiels, la Chine peut alors créer des infrastructures militaires, déployer des forces. Le rayon d'action de l'armée chinoise s'étend et, de ce fait, rend beaucoup plus difficile et dangereux pour les forces américaines d'opérer dans cette zone. »À lire aussiMer de Chine méridionale: tirs de canon à eau chinois sur des navires philippinsVers une possible fragmentation de l'Asean ?Pour lui, l'un des risques que cette conquête de l'espace maritime fait courir, c'est une possible fragmentation de l'Asean, car d'un côté se trouve un groupe de nations qui sont politiquement et économiquement dépendantes de la Chine, et de l'autre, un autre groupe de nations qui, de la même manière, sont tournées vers l'Occident et les États-Unis. L'Asean dans son ensemble s'efforce vraiment de s'affirmer en tant qu'organisation indépendante dans le contexte actuel de tensions entre les États-Unis et la Chine. Il s'agit, selon l'expert, d'y trouver son équilibre. Pékin cherche indéniablement à étendre son influence mondiale, mais il s'agit également de réaffirmer son pouvoir au sein de la Chine continentale. L'analyse de Gregory Poling, chercheur au Centre d'études stratégiques et internationales :Pékin s'est laissée séduire par son propre conte de fées, pensant que ces eaux, l'espace aérien et les fonds marins ont toujours été chinois et qu'ils ont été volés à la Chine par ses voisins d'Asie du Sud-Est au cours de la période que la Chine qualifie de "siècle d'humiliation".« C'est devenu un récit politiquement plus saillant sous la direction de Xi Jinping. Il s'agit donc d'une question de légitimité politique et de nationalisme à l'intérieur du pays. Peu importe si cette Histoire est fausse. Peu importe qu'elle soit illégale. Ce qui compte, c'est que le parti s'est convaincu et a convaincu son public que c'était vrai », souligne encore le chercheur. À lire aussiAsie du Sud-Est: au sommet de l'Asean, la mer de Chine méridionale et la Birmanie polarisentIntimidation chinoiseGregory Poling rappelle que beaucoup de gens en Asie du Sud aiment se remémorer une anecdote révélatrice de l'attitude de la Chine. « Il y a une dizaine d'années, lors d'un des forums régionaux de l'Asean, plus particulièrement lors de la réunion des ministres des Affaires étrangères, la mer de Chine méridionale a été longuement débattue. La délégation chinoise, alors dirigée par Yang Jiechi, aujourd'hui directeur de la commission centrale des Affaires étrangères du Parti communiste chinois, s'est mis en colère, a fait irruption dans la salle et a pointé du doigt tous les pays d'Asie du Sud-Est, et en particulier George Yeo, le ministre des Affaires étrangères de Singapour, la plus petite ville-État et a crié : “Certains pays sont de grands pays, d'autres sont petits. Ce qui sous-entend que la Chine a un ensemble de règles et que tous les autres en ont un autre." »Selon l'expert, cela en dit long sur la façon dont la Chine voit l'avenir de la région, que ces pays vont vivre dans l'orbite de la Chine et qu'ils feraient mieux de s'y habituer. « Ce que cela implique, c'est que la Chine pense qu'il y a des règles pour elle et d'autres pour le reste du monde. Et cela peut être considéré comme un analogue de la façon dont le Parti communiste chinois considère la loi dans son pays. »La loi est une chose avec laquelle on gouverne. Ce n'est pas une chose par laquelle on est gouvernés. La loi ne s'applique pas aux puissants. Elle ne s'applique qu'aux faibles.Greg Poling estime que la Chine ne cherche en aucun cas le conflit armé, mais que Pékin veut cependant utiliser tous les outils de coercition et d'intimidation dont elle dispose, à l'exception de la force militaire, pour convaincre ses voisins d'aller dans telle ou telle direction.À lire aussiPhilippines: Manille condamne les actions «illégales» de Pékin en mer de Chine méridionale
It may just be a smattering of insignificant rocks and reefs along the Nine-dash line between the Philippines and China, but in recent years this area has become the focus of the world's most complex and dangerous maritime dispute. China's growing influence and willingness to project its will against smaller neighbors and US allies has drawn Washington into a set of intersecting disputes, while placing significant pressure on America's commitment to established international law regarding open seas. This week on Departures we are pleased to feature Gregory Poling, the Southeast Asia Program and Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, DC. Poling is the author of the new book, "On Dangerous Ground: America's Century in the South China Sea," which offers a detailed and highly engaging history of Washington's involvement in this part of the world and how the current tensions evolved from past unsettled issues. Poling's book takes issue with the China-centric narrative which has become embedded in the global conversation about these territorial claims, and puts the focus on strategic decisionmaking happening not just in Beijing and Washington, but also among many other smaller neighboring Southeast Asian countries with interests at play.
"Kamala Harris to visit Philippine islands at edge of South China Sea dispute US Vice President Kamala Harris will visit the Philippine islands of Palawan on the edge of the disputed South China Sea, a senior administration official said on Tuesday (15 November), in a move that may be interpreted by" "--START AD- #TheMummichogblogOfMalta Amazon Top and Flash Deals(Affiliate Link - You will support our translations if you purchase through the following link) - https://amzn.to/3CqsdJH Compare all the top travel sites in just one search to find the best hotel deals at HotelsCombined - awarded world's best hotel price comparison site. (Affiliate Link - You will support our translations if you purchase through the following link) - https://www.hotelscombined.com/?a_aid=20558 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets."""" #Jesus #Catholic. Smooth Radio Malta is Malta's number one digital radio station, playing Your Relaxing Favourites - Smooth provides a ‘clutter free' mix, appealing to a core 35-59 audience offering soft adult contemporary classics. We operate a playlist of popular tracks which is updated on a regular basis. https://smooth.com.mt/listen/ Follow on Telegram: https://t.me/themummichogblogdotcom END AD---" " Beijing as a rebuke. The visit, scheduled for next Tuesday, will make Harris the highest-ranking American official to visit the island chain adjacent to the Spratly Islands. China has dredged the sea floor to build harbors and airstrips on the Spratlys, parts of which are also claimed by Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam. Beijing claims some territories in the waters off Palawan and much of the South China Sea, citing domestic historical maps. A 2016 international arbitration ruling, however, said the Chinese claims had no legal basis, in a victory for Manila that has yet to be enforced. Coming days after a three-hour, face-to-face meeting between US President Joe Biden and Chinese leader Xi Jinping intended to ease tensions, the trip may frustrate Beijing. The South China Sea, which contains massive oil and gas deposits, is the stage for $5 trillion in ship-borne trade each year but also a flashpoint for Chinese and US tensions around naval operations. In Palawan, Harris is expected to meet with “residents, civil society leaders and representatives of the Philippines Coast Guard,” the senior administration official said. The trip will show the administration's “commitment to stand with our Philippine ally in upholding the rules-based international maritime order in the South China Sea, supporting maritime livelihoods and countering illegal, unregulated and unreported fishing,” that official said. The Philippines is a defense ally of the United States, but under former President Rodrigo Duterte it avoided criticizing Beijing, eyeing Chinese investment. Manila announced earlier on Tuesday that Washington would spend $66.5 million to start building training and warehouse facilities at three of its military bases there under a 2014 joint security deal. Harris' trip marks her second to Asia in three months and follows Biden's week-long trip to the region. Both trips were aimed at shoring up both defenses and alliances to discourage aggressive steps by China, including in self-ruled Taiwan. The Harris trip also includes a stop in Thailand for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation leaders meeting. During her last trip to the region, Harris accused China of actions to “coerce and intimidate” neighbors. South China Sea expert Gregory Poling said the visit could send a strong message to the Philippines without angering Beijing because it is not a visit to a disputed territory. “It will be reassuring to the Philippines by sending a clear signal that, even with Ukraine and Taiwan center stage, the United States still recognizes the South China Sea as central to the future of the US-Philippine alliance,” said Poling, who
In lay July, the military Junta in Myanmar carried out its first executions in decades. Four activists were killed, including very prominant pro-democracy leaders. The military carried out these executions despite widespread international and regional pressure. These executions come a year and a half after the February 1 2021 coup that ended Myanmar's experiment in democracy. The military has imprisoned much of the civilian political leadership of the country, including the country's de-facto civilian leader Aung San Suu Kyi. The February Coup was met by widespread civil disobedience and, eventually armed resistance. Today, Myanmar is in the midst of a multi-pronged civil war in which the military is fighting various armed groups organized along ethnic lines of Myanmars many minority ethnic groups; as well as militias backed by the toppled civilian leadership. In this episode, we are joined by Gregory Poling, who directs the Southeast Asia Program and Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, where he is also a senior fellow. We discuss the recent executions in Myanmar and have a broader discussion about the changing countours of the conflict and what, if anything, the United States and broader international community can do to influence events in Myanmar.
Links1. "FACT SHEET: Quad Leaders' Tokyo Summit 2022," May 23, 2022.2. "The Quad Goes to Sea," by Zack Cooper and Gregory Poling, War on the Rocks, May 24, 2022.
Gregory Poling, Senior Fellow and Director at Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), and Charles Dunst, associate at The Asia Group and fellow at CSIS, join Jennifer Anderson, Senior Program Officer for CIPE's Asia and Pacific Team to discuss the implications of Cambodia's foreign policy as Cambodia hosts the 55th ASEAN Foreign Minister's meeting. In this episode, our guests and host discuss the various events that lead to where Cambodia is today, as well as how Cambodia's open media and civil society environment is slowly beginning to close off. They also highlight China's involvement in Cambodia, Cambodian's want for positive relations with the United States, and how the United States can engage with Cambodia given it's involvement in ASEAN. Relevant Links: Pariah or Partner? Clarifying the U.S. Approach to Cambodia On Dangerous Ground: America's Century in the South China Sea
The South China Sea is a key region for international trade, fisheries, and natural resources. Thirty-percent of all global maritime trade is conducted in this region resulting in over $3 trillion in trade. Competing territorial claims in this region have increased tensions between China, ASEAN nations, and the United States. Both China and the United States have recently increased their military presence in this region, heightening tensions and increasing the likelihood of armed conflict. Join us for a panel discussion with distinguished guests Gregory Poling and Christopher Ankersen who will address the South China Sea conflict along with regional prospects. This event will be co-hosted by Network 20/20 and the New York South East Asia Network and moderated by Ann Marie Murphy.---This Virtual Briefing Series event was originally hosted on July 9th, 2020. Upcoming events: https://network2020.org/upcoming-events/ Follow us at:Twitter: @Network2020LinkedIn: Network 20/20Facebook: @network2020Instagram: @network_2020Follow us at:Network2020.orgTwitter: @Network2020LinkedIn: Network 20/20Facebook: @network2020Instagram: @network_2020
This episode features Gregory Poling, Director of the Southeast Asia Program and Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. He is a leading expert on the South China Sea disputes and conducts research on U.S. alliances and partnerships, democratization and governance in Southeast Asia, and maritime security across the Indo-Pacific. In this episode, Gregory speaks to Laura about the outlook for the Philippines' foreign policy and climate and environmental goals under the Marcos administration. Support the show
Olivia Enos and Heritage Senior Research Fellow Dean Cheng interview Gregory Poling on the maritime disputes and artificial islands in the South China Sea. Gregory Poling is a Senior Fellow for Southeast Asia and Director of the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI) at the Center for Strategic & International Studies. The AMTI and Mr. Poling's research can be found here.The Heritage China Transparency Project has recently launched a website! Check it out to discover world-class data tracking projects from organizations across the globe on the activities of the Chinese Communist Party. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
A clash within the South China Sea is now almost inevitable. The US has declared China's territorial grab "illegal". It wants its "bullied" neighbours to stand their ground."We are making clear: Beijing's claims to offshore resources across most of the South China Sea are completely unlawful, as is its campaign of bullying to control them," a US statement issued earlier this week asserts.It's not a change of opinion. But it is a loud declaration of intent to establish a "line in the sand" that Beijing should not cross."The United States is now explicitly declaring it illegal for China to engage in fishing, oil and gas exploration, or other economic activities in those areas, or to interfere with its neighbours' rights to do so," Asia Maritime Initiative senior fellow Gregory Poling says."The next time China does engage in illegal harassment of its neighbours within their EEZs [exclusive economic zones], a more forceful US response might lead China to double down out of a sense of nationalism," he added.China's "wolf-warrior" rhetoric has given it little wiggle room to back down."Perhaps now Beijing feels like it's pushed up against a wall," Australian National University School of International Relations doctoral candidate Hunter Marston told news.com.au."All these countries are now more or less affirming the 2016 Permanent Court of Arbitration decision. Perhaps they [Beijing] say what else do they have to lose? You know, the gloves are off."And that lays the groundwork for open confrontation.It's a fear echoed in a report by Council on Foreign Relations assistant professor Oriana Skylar Mastro: "China could see military action as its only recourse if it loses the diplomatic option to assert its sovereignty claims. The continued downward spiral in US-China relations could also encourage Xi to adopt a now-or-never approach to the South China Sea.US navy sailors conduct pre-flight checks on an MH-60R Sea Hawk in drills in the South China Sea.Wounded wolvesBeijing is getting irritated. The Chinese Communist Party has called Washington a "spoiler, saboteur and disrupter"."Although Washington doesn't want to start a real war with China, there is the possibility of the unfolding of miscalculations if it continues to try and stir up trouble in the South China Sea," declares the editor of the Communist Party's China Daily.Beijing's diplomats are racing to re-establish dominance over the narrative."China's position on the South China Sea issue has been consistent and clear-cut. While firmly safeguarding its territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests, China has been committed to resolving disputes through negotiation and consultation with countries directly involved, managing differences through rules and mechanisms, and achieving win-win results through mutually beneficial co-operation," a spokesperson for the Chinese embassy in the US said.The embassy declares the South China Sea has "remained peaceful and stable and is still improving", ignoring a recent spate of rammings of fishing vessels, high-seas stand-offs over sea exploration efforts and its arbitrary construction of military bases on artificial islands."Under the pretext of endorsing rules, it is using UNCLOS to attack China while refusing to ratify the Convention itself. Under the pretext of upholding freedom of navigation and overflight, it is recklessly infringing on other countries' territorial sea and airspace and throwing its weight around in every sea of the world," the spokesperson added.Beijing is a signatory to the UN's law of the sea (UNCLOS) but has declared all rulings against its interests as being irrelevant or invalid.Washington is not a signatory of UNCLOS but is seeking to enforce its jurisdiction over the dispute. But, Marston points out, the US has been conforming to law where Beijing has not."I think Washington's really got international law at its back here, and so it's hopefully welcomed as a legally defensibl...
A clash within the South China Sea is now almost inevitable. The US has declared China's territorial grab "illegal". It wants its "bullied" neighbours to stand their ground."We are making clear: Beijing's claims to offshore resources across most of the South China Sea are completely unlawful, as is its campaign of bullying to control them," a US statement issued earlier this week asserts.It's not a change of opinion. But it is a loud declaration of intent to establish a "line in the sand" that Beijing should not cross."The United States is now explicitly declaring it illegal for China to engage in fishing, oil and gas exploration, or other economic activities in those areas, or to interfere with its neighbours' rights to do so," Asia Maritime Initiative senior fellow Gregory Poling says."The next time China does engage in illegal harassment of its neighbours within their EEZs [exclusive economic zones], a more forceful US response might lead China to double down out of a sense of nationalism," he added.China's "wolf-warrior" rhetoric has given it little wiggle room to back down."Perhaps now Beijing feels like it's pushed up against a wall," Australian National University School of International Relations doctoral candidate Hunter Marston told news.com.au."All these countries are now more or less affirming the 2016 Permanent Court of Arbitration decision. Perhaps they [Beijing] say what else do they have to lose? You know, the gloves are off."And that lays the groundwork for open confrontation.It's a fear echoed in a report by Council on Foreign Relations assistant professor Oriana Skylar Mastro: "China could see military action as its only recourse if it loses the diplomatic option to assert its sovereignty claims. The continued downward spiral in US-China relations could also encourage Xi to adopt a now-or-never approach to the South China Sea.US navy sailors conduct pre-flight checks on an MH-60R Sea Hawk in drills in the South China Sea.Wounded wolvesBeijing is getting irritated. The Chinese Communist Party has called Washington a "spoiler, saboteur and disrupter"."Although Washington doesn't want to start a real war with China, there is the possibility of the unfolding of miscalculations if it continues to try and stir up trouble in the South China Sea," declares the editor of the Communist Party's China Daily.Beijing's diplomats are racing to re-establish dominance over the narrative."China's position on the South China Sea issue has been consistent and clear-cut. While firmly safeguarding its territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests, China has been committed to resolving disputes through negotiation and consultation with countries directly involved, managing differences through rules and mechanisms, and achieving win-win results through mutually beneficial co-operation," a spokesperson for the Chinese embassy in the US said.The embassy declares the South China Sea has "remained peaceful and stable and is still improving", ignoring a recent spate of rammings of fishing vessels, high-seas stand-offs over sea exploration efforts and its arbitrary construction of military bases on artificial islands."Under the pretext of endorsing rules, it is using UNCLOS to attack China while refusing to ratify the Convention itself. Under the pretext of upholding freedom of navigation and overflight, it is recklessly infringing on other countries' territorial sea and airspace and throwing its weight around in every sea of the world," the spokesperson added.Beijing is a signatory to the UN's law of the sea (UNCLOS) but has declared all rulings against its interests as being irrelevant or invalid.Washington is not a signatory of UNCLOS but is seeking to enforce its jurisdiction over the dispute. But, Marston points out, the US has been conforming to law where Beijing has not."I think Washington's really got international law at its back here, and so it's hopefully welcomed as a legally defensibl...
If Vansh Saluja was quite sure about India’s diplomatic, political and military capabilities in Southeast Asia, Gregory Poling, from the CSIS, is not sure about it. He believes that, on case of an American disengagement from the region, India will be incapable to provide any political or military reach. ASEAN has insistently asked India in the past for a major geopolitical involvement, but it never happened. At most, India will be another middle power in the region.
This episode features Gregory Poling, Director of the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative, or AMTI, at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. AMTI is an interactive, regularly-updated source for information, analysis, and policy exchange on maritime security issues in Asia. It aims to promote transparency in the Indo-Pacific to dissuade assertive behavior and conflict and generate opportunities for cooperation and confidence building. In this episode, Gregory speaks to Isabelle and Vivien about the South China Sea and US-Philippine relations.Support the show (https://www.usasiainstitute.org/support-usai-ch)
In this episode, we review the Asia-related sections of the 2019 National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, and explore Congress’s role in framing U.S. policy toward Asia. Returning to the podcast to unpack these topics are Dr. Michael Green, Japan Chair and Senior Vice President for Asia at CSIS, and Gregory Poling, director of the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative and fellow with Southeast Asia Program at CSIS. Mike and Greg share personal anecdotes about recently deceased Senator John McCain’s contributions on Asia policy and analyze the Asia elements of 2019 NDAA – including: language intended to restrain the Trump administration from rapid policy swings on South Korea and Taiwan, the requirement for the administration to provide a whole of government strategy for competition with China, and the funds allocated for boosting capacity of partner claimants in the South China Sea. They also discuss the bipartisan nature of congressional input to Asia policy, the value of congressional requirements for the Pentagon, and review crucial historical decisions made by Congress on Asia strategy. Hosted by Liza Keller. Audio edited by Ribka Gemilangsari. Written and produced by Jeffrey Bean. To learn more: See the John S. McCain National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2019. Dr. Michael Green’s book By More Than Providence Grand Strategy and American Power in the Asia Pacific Since 1783. Gregory Poling’s recent op-ed, “Congress Fires a Warning Shot to China with Defense Budget,” in The Hill.
AMTI director Gregory Poling speaks with CSIS experts Sarah Watson and Zack Cooper about the months-long standoff between India and China over the Doklam plateau. The conversation covers the origins of the conflict, the resolution of the current crisis, and how the lessons learned can be applied by other states facing Chinese coercion.
AMTI director Gregory Poling speaks with Bill Hayton, Chatham House associate fellow, about the withdrawal of the Repsol gas-drilling expedition from Vietnam's block 136-03, Beijing's strong-arm tactics against Hanoi, and implications for the long-simmering Sino-Vietnamese conflict over energy deposits in the South China Sea.
You've probably heard about the dispute in the South China Sea. And if you have heard about it, you are probably vaguely aware, as I was, that it involves disputed territorial claims between China and its neighbors, and that in defense of American allies in the region, the US navy is positioning military assets in the area. On this episode we go a bit deeper into this dispute, its origins, and broader global implications -- of which there are many. On the line to discuss it all is Gregory Poling, a fellow with the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. And we kick off discussing a case that the Philippines has brought against China at an international court of arbitration, the result of which is expected very soon.
In this episode, we explore how to build an artificial island. Dr. John McManus of the University of Miami’s Rosenstiel School gives a step by step guide to construction and describes the techniques the People’s Republic of China has used in building up reefs in the South China Sea. We discuss the costs and politics behind island building in Southeast Asia with Gregory Poling, director of the CSIS Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative, and then Dr. McManus assesses the durability of these new islands and the impact of their construction on the environmental well-being of the ocean reefs and fisheries in the surrounding waters. Hosted by Colm Quinn. Audio edited by Lauren AbuAli. Written by Colm Quinn and Jeffrey Bean. Produced by Jeffrey Bean.
AMTI Director Gregory Poling visits the CogitAsia podcast to discuss developments in the South China Sea.
AMTI director Gregory Poling sits down with Colm Quinn to discuss the the U.S. Navy's recent freedom of navigation operation, U.S. policy in the South China Sea, the ongoing Philippine-China arbitration case, and what a long-term solution to the dispute might look like. This interview was originally recorded for the October 31 CSIS Podcast.