Podcast appearances and mentions of Thomas J Craughwell

Join me live at the REWIRE event in Austin, Texas October 27–30 2022. Click HERE to Attend REWIRE If you are tired of fighting subconscious programs and limiting decisions that have been holding you back your entire life, this is the call. Wellness + Wisdom Episode 481 Founder and CEO of NLP Freedom, Scott Jackson, shares how he uses neurolinguistic programming to help people overcome obstacles that are buried deep in their subconscious minds, about his upcoming $REWIRE event that you can attend, what timeline therapy is and how it has helped countless people like you already. Can healing actually be fast and simple? By the end of this episode, you will have the knowledge of how neurolinguistic programming works and how it can help serve your wellness journey. Are You Stressed Out Lately? Take a deep breath with the M21™ wellness guide: a simple yet powerful 21 minute morning system that melts stress and gives you more energy through 6 science-backed practices and breathwork. Click HERE to download for free. Is Your Energy Low? Get more superfoods to improve your energy, digestion, gut health plus also reduce inflammation and blood sugar. Click HERE to try Paleovalley's Apple Cider Vinegar Complex + Save 15% with the code 'JOSH' *Review The WF Podcast & WIN $150 in wellness prizes! *Join The Facebook Group “Until you make the unconscious conscious, it'll run your life and you'll call it fate.” - Carl Jung "Neurolinguistic programming is the user manual for your mind. From primary school to university, nobody really teaches us how to think. We're taught what to think. We don't take into account that during the 0-7 age period we are all in the developmental stage called the imprint period. During that time we have no ability to filter anything that comes through our consciousness. So, anything that comes through our 5 senses is all internalized because we cannot filter them and we have no control over what is there in our subconscious thoughts." - Scott Jackson Listen To Episode 481 As Scott Jackson Uncovers: [1:30] Neurolinguistic Programming: The User Manual for the Mind Scott Jackson Join me live at the $REWIRE event in Austin, Texas | October 27–30 2022 NLP Freedom Mandorla Ranch Instagram - Mandorla Ranch Scott's personal life journey and wellness transformation over the last 20 years. How Scott evolved to now be at a place where he can help serve others. What timeline therapy is and how Scott and his fiancée, Joanie, use it to help people heal their fears, phobias, and limiting beliefs. The journey one must go through on their own to heal themselves before they can help others. What beliefs come up for people that simply are not true and how to keep the 'monkey mind' under control. The history of neurolinguistic programming and what led Scott to integrate it in his life and purpose. The Structure of Magic, Vol. 1: A Book About Language and Therapy by Richard Bandler and John Grinder Breaking down what neurolinguistic programming is at its core. What happens during the 8-15 age stage when we start to attempt to implement and share what we have been imprinted with to our peer groups. Morris Massey How to begin healing negative subconscious thoughts with NLP and the incredible impact it has had on Scott. [22:00] Talk Therapy vs Neurolinguistic Programming The difference between talk therapy and neurolinguistic programming. Specific techniques that Scott and Joanie use to help their clients. How to let go of the tight grip that you have on your problem(s) so that you can move through it with the help of tools and resources that already exist within yourself. Why trauma is completely relevant and what a person considers traumatic varies from person to person. The process and price of achieving freedom which might not be completely free of its own suffering. Why pain is a great motivator that can help us change. Biggest takeaways from attending Scott and Joanie's $REWIRE event and why people will come from what they want but leave with what they need. How to use the conscious and subconscious minds to your advantage to serve you in your life journey and what you need to help you heal, grow, and develop. What different ways you can get out of your comfort zone and how that will help lead you to greater transformation. [35:00] How to Integrate the Conscious and Unconscious Minds How the conscious and unconscious minds work to help you realize what you need on your wellness journey. What you can do to integrate the conscious and unconscious minds in order to experience wholeness and alignment internally. Examples of how NLP has helped introduce people to new ways of being and break old patterns. 435 Dr. John Gray | Wellness In Relationships: Testosterone, Estrogen, Semen Retention & Sexual Polarity Exploring the opening and closing of the heart and how to build better relationships. David R. Hawkins The price that is paid when we choose to keep the heart closed. Scott's experience with talk therapy and the moment he chose to lean towards timeline therapy. The transformational experience Scott had of briefly dying at the age of 25 from a drug overdose and what he experienced on the other side that impacted his spirituality. Where and when Scott met his inner child at 36 years old during an intense therapeutic experience. Why, like other wellness tools, sometimes people choose to intentionally use abuse NLP for a negative purpose like control. Just how powerful neurolinguistic programming is that you can help break old patterns even from past lives. [58:00] Healing Severe Trauma with NLP Therapy How to flip the script and see a past event as something important that happened for a higher purpose to help you reclaim your power and receive powerful, transformational learnings. The work Scott did with one client to help her let go of the negative energy of three extreme life events in under 15 minutes for each one through NLP therapy. Why the pre-game, setup, and preparation were so key to helping this one client as well as everyone else. Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor E. Frankl Dr. Wayne W. Dyer The incredible fact that if you change the way you look at things, those things will change. Virginia Satir Fritz Perls Dr. Milton H Erickson How NLP came to be with the work of many experts in their field. Exploring the idea that healing can actually be fast and easy instead of the opposite. Carl Jung Yoga Sutras of Patanjali How we project unhealed ideas and beliefs onto other people in our daily lives. [1:12:30] The Subconscious-Conscious Mind Integration Process How Scott works with people who are very heady and intellectual heal with NLP and timeline therapy. Different models of the world that have led us to become who we are in life. Breaking down what auditory digital (the 6th sense) is and how all data comes in through our 5 senses unconsciously. Why auditory digital is becoming more and more common in this modern age. Our connection to the universe and understanding that we are one with it. What the subconscious-conscious mind integration practice is and how Scott uses it in his NLP trainings. Why accepting that things are neutral is key for rewiring the mind and healing negative thought and behavior patterns. Scott's interactions with clients and why he never asks them, "Why?" but instead questions like, "Why did you choose to create this?" or "What is the purpose of this? What could this be serving?" How to do a deeper inner reflection and think about what and how much you are willing to change for yourself. Key steps to integrate what you have learned from attending $REWIRE and what tools Scott and Joanie will give you to help with the process. [1:35:00] Freeing Ourselves from the Limitations of Our Past Stories Josh has created for himself, especially with his mother and father. Josh's decision to attend Scott's $REWIRE event and our invitation for you to join him there! How Scott honors the mystery in his life and purpose with NLP trainings. Different other tools from plant medicine to breathwork to create a deeper relationship with Spirit. An egoic resurgence we go through when we continue to self-sabotage and believe in false beliefs. How we can heal the trauma that has been imprinted and passed down to us by past generations without really knowing what our ancestors actually went through. Why NLP training doesn't mean we have to give up everything we know or that we have been conditioned with in our lifetime. The fact that the words we use don't describe our experience, they determine our reality. Why Scott believes that the best way to change the world is to help people free themselves of their pain and live better lives. Wild Wild Country Saints Behaving Badly: The Cutthroats, Crooks, Trollops, Con Men, and Devil-Worshippers Who Became Saints by Thomas J. Craughwell 430 Zach Bush MD | Sacred Commerce & Community: How To Thrive In 2022 [1:56:00] Rewire Your Life This Month How to rewire your life with Scott's $REWIRE event this month, October 27-30. 403 Robb Wolf | Electrolytes: How Sodium, Potassium & Magnesium Help To Beat Brain Fog 216 Exploring The Shadow Self For Healing: George Bryant Who $REWIRE is really for and how you can sign up today. Why many people come to Scott looking to rewire their brain for greater wealth but why it's so much more than that. Exploring what wealth really is in life and how it serves our different purposes. Scott's definition of wellness and how he lives life well. Power Quotes From The Show The Ultimate Generational Cycle Breaker "What if we believed that healing could be fast? That healing could be easy? Guess what? Healing actually really is that simple. If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. I've literally had people come to me and share that neurolinguistic programming has been a generational cycle breaker." - Scott Jackson Let Go of Old Beliefs "With the neurolinguistic programming technique, what we look at is structure, not content. So, if I believe that I'm not good enough or that I'm not worthy and that's an unconscious belief that is still held linguistically, that is also still held neurologically as well. If we can break the structure of neurology, then the belief can no longer exist within us." - Scott Jackson What it Takes to Have Freedom "Do you want to live from a place of trauma and suffer for your whole life or would you rather have freedom? That doesn't mean freedom doesn't evolve some kind of suffering to get there because it can and being free of things can be painful. Breaking patterns can be painful. The price of going through whatever you have to go through to achieve freedom has to be greater, more motivational, and more desirable than the continued suffering of maintaining my pain." - Scott Jackson Links From Today's Show  About Scott Jackson REWIRE Austin, TX October 27-30th 2022 NLP Freedom Mandorla Ranch Instagram - Mandorla Ranch The Structure of Magic, Vol. 1: A Book About Language and Therapy by Richard Bandler and John Grinder Morris Massey 435 Dr. John Gray | Wellness In Relationships: Testosterone, Estrogen, Semen Retention & Sexual Polarity David R. Hawkins Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor E. Frankl Dr. Wayne W. Dyer Virginia Satir Fritz Perls Dr. Milton H Erickson Carl Jung Yoga Sutras of Patanjali Wild Wild Country Saints Behaving Badly: The Cutthroats, Crooks, Trollops, Con Men, and Devil-Worshippers Who Became Saints by Thomas J. Craughwell 430 Zach Bush MD | Sacred Commerce & Community: How To Thrive In 2022 403 Robb Wolf | Electrolytes: How Sodium, Potassium & Magnesium Help To Beat Brain Fog 216 Exploring The Shadow Self For Healing: George Bryant Shop the Wellness Force Media Store breathwork.io Paleovalley – Save 15% on your ACV Complex with the code ‘JOSH' Seeking Health - Save 10% with the code 'JOSH' Organifi – Special 20% off to our listeners with the code ‘WELLNESSFORCE' Drink LMNT – Zero Sugar Hydration: Get your free LMNT Sample Pack, you only cover the cost of shipping Feel Free from Botanic Tonics – Save 40% when you use the code ‘WELLNESS40' PLUNGE - Save $150 with the code "WELLNESSFORCE' MitoZen - Save 10% with the code "WELLNESSFORCE" Activation Products - Save 20% with the code "WELLNESSFORCE" Essential Oil Wizardry: Save 10% with the code 'WELLNESSFORCE' Cured Nutrition – Get 15% off of your order when you visit wellnessforce.com/cured + use the code ‘WELLNESSFORCE' M21 Wellness Guide Wellness Force Community Leave Wellness Force a review on iTunes NLP Freedom Facebook Instagram  LinkedIn YouTube ABOUT SCOTT JACKSON "I began the path of spiritual and personal development with my recovery journey from alcoholism and drug addiction in April of 2003.   Over the course of 18 years of active addiction, I lost everything and everyone that ever mattered to me and burned my life to the ground.   I finally reached the jumping off point, and I committed and went all in to never go back to my old life, and to move forward towards personal freedom and personal power at all costs.   Little did I know in the beginning, that my pursuit of sobriety would become a spiritual path.   A spiritual path that would demand self-sacrifice, commitment, self-discipline, and selfless service to others.” - Scott Jackson NLP Freedom   Scott is the Founder & CEO of NLP Freedom and a Master Coach that is highly effective at working with executives and companies to overcome obstacles to personal and organizational success.   He specializes in High-Performance Coaching, Corporate Values Alignments, and designing and delivering custom trainings and coaching programs based on your company's needs. 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Ever since George Washington invited guests over for ice cream parties, there's been a connection between food and the American President.  JFK loved clam chowder, FDR 's favorite was grilled cheese sandwiches and Thomas Jefferson is credited with bringing French cooking and foods to this continent.  From the Food and Travel Nation archives:  Elizabeth spoke with author Thomas Craughwell about Jefferson's love of French cuisine and how it came to America.

you get a saint, you get a saint, YOU GET A SAITN!! EVERYBODY GETS A SAINT!!! No, seriously there's, enough catholic saints to go around and there are some who patron some pretty odd things. My personal favorite is St. Drogo, the patron of coffee and ugly people. Find out why he's connected to those two things, and much much more in this week's episode! Instagram: @fortheloveof_history Books about saints  Patron Saints: Saints for Every Member of Your Family, Every Profession, Every Ailment, Every Emergency, and Even Every Amusement by Thomas J. Craughwell https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13119490-patron-saints?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=bO3Bp0GAdl&rank=1 (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13119490-patron-saints?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=bO3Bp0GAdl&rank=1) Saints Behaving Badly: The Cutthroats, Crooks, Trollops, Con Men, and Devil-Worshippers Who Became Saints by Thomas J. Craughwell https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/351086.Saints_Behaving_Badly (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/351086.Saints_Behaving_Badly) Who's your Patron Saint quiz!  https://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/catholic/saints/who-is-my-patron-saint.aspx (https://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/catholic/saints/who-is-my-patron-saint.aspx)

In 1876, a gang of inept Chicago counterfeiters launched an absurd plot to steal the body of Abraham Lincoln and hold it for ransom. In today's episode of the Futility Closet podcast, we'll follow their comical attempts to carry out the bizarre scheme, and uncover the secret society that was formed afterward to protect Lincoln's corpse. We'll also puzzle over an overlooked way to reduce the odds of dying of a heart attack. Sources for our feature on Lincoln's bodysnatchers: Thomas J. Craughwell, Stealing Lincoln's Body, 2007. Bonnie Stahlman Speer, The Great Abraham Lincoln Hijack, 1997. John Carroll Power, History of an Attempt to Steal the Body of Abraham Lincoln, 1890. Thomas J. Craughwell, "A Plot to Steal Lincoln's Body," U.S. News, June 24, 2007. David B. Williams, "The Odd Reburials of Abraham Lincoln," Seattle Times, April 13, 2007. Ray Bendici, "Thomas J. Craughwell Discusses the Odd Plot to Steal Lincoln's Body," Connecticut Magazine, Nov. 12, 2013. Don Babwin, "Presidential Heist," Associated Press, May 13, 2007. This week's lateral thinking puzzle is adapted from a puzzle in Edward J. Harshman's 1996 book Fantastic Lateral Thinking Puzzles. You can listen using the player above, download this episode directly, or subscribe on iTunes or via the RSS feed at http://feedpress.me/futilitycloset. Please consider becoming a patron of Futility Closet -- on our Patreon page you can pledge any amount per episode, and all contributions are greatly appreciated. You can change or cancel your pledge at any time, and we've set up some rewards to help thank you for your support. You can also make a one-time donation via the Donate button in the sidebar of the Futility Closet website. Many thanks to Doug Ross for the music in this episode. If you have any questions or comments you can reach us at podcast@futilitycloset.com. Thanks for listening!

**Today's host(s):** Scot Landry and Fr. Matt Williams **Today's guest(s):** Thomas J. Craughwell, author and columnist * ["Saints Preserved: An Encyclopedia of Relics"](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307590739/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pilo0e-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=0307590739) * ["Saints Behaving Badly, Saints for Every Occasion: 101 of Heaven's Most Powerful Patrons"](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385517203/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pilo0e-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=0385517203) **Today's topics:** Saints and relics **Summary of today's show:** Tom Craughwell joins Scot and Fr. Matt to talk about ne'er-do-well saints and relics, particularly the surprising history of sin and crime that some saints had before their conversion as well as the long, strange, and confusing history and practice of saints' relics, preserving their bones and possessions for holy veneration. **1st segment:** Fr. Matt joins the show via Skype from St. Thecla Retreat House in Billerica where he's leading the Witness to Truth retreat for high school students. It's an overnight four-day prayer experience and leadership institute. Fr. Matt said the stories of the saints are inspirational to help us step up a bit more in our own lives to become more of the saint we're supposed to be. Today's guest has written several books on saints. **2nd segment:** Scot and Fr. Matt welcome Tom Craughwell to the show. Scot asked him how he became interested in the saints. He's always been interested since he was a kid. He started by reading about them in the books from the school library and has gone to full-on study, examining the original sources and trying to find out what they're really like, what their personalities were like. They were real human beings with all the same characteristics of people like us. In "Saints Behaving Badly", he profiles saints who were gangsters, criminals, and other never-do-wells. People are often surprised because they have a pre-coneived notion that saints were never horribly sinful before conversion and becoming saints. St. Matthew as a tax collector was an extortionist, for example. St. Dismas, the Good Thief, was a criminal his whole life until converting on the cross. It teaches that sainthood is not impossible. Fr. Matt noted the quote that Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future. Saints are not angels. They're human beings and they deal with original sin and the inclination to sin. God's grace breaks through to conform their lives to him. It's always God's grace that changes hearts and minds. He asked Tom for a story from his book to capture that idea. Tom thought of [St. Margaret of Cortona](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09653b.htm), an attractive peasant girl in Italy. When she was 13 years old, the 16-year-old baron invited her to become his mistress and she said yes to escape her life. He even told her that he would never marry her. They lived together for nine years and they had a child. One day he went away on a trip and was murdered. The shock of finding his body reminded her that she did not know if he had time to repent before he died and so she was confronted with her own mortality. She turned her back on her old life, cooperated with God's grace, and moved forward. She'd been used to the comfortable life and liked the company of men, but she remained on the path to sainthood. Fr. Matt asked if there's a guiding theme that emerges from the lives of saints who came from great sin. Tom said it varies from one person to the next. Matt Talbot had a terrible problem with alcoholism in 19th century Ireland. His friends were so tired him sponging drinks off of them that they avoided his company, even other alcoholics. That was his turning point. There are so many remarkable ways that God works. You don't know what will spark the conversion moment. But the common thread is that once these sinners realize what they've done, there is the horror that they've offended God and relief at he still loves them. Scot noted that [St. Camillus](http://www.catholic-pages.com/saints/st_camillus.asp) was a card shark and conman. (Tomorrow is the feast day of St. Camillus.) Tom said he was a mercenary in 16th century Italy. He started at 17 years old and picks up all of the vices of the soldiers. Then he learns from his father how to cheat at cards and run cons to support themselves between wars. Then his father fell deathly ill and tells Camillus to get a priest. Camillus was shocked that his hardened sinner father wanted a priest. From then Camillus tried to convert, but he had the path of two steps forward and one step back. He found St. Philip Neri who was his spiritual director. Then the 6'4" 250lb mercenary founded a hospital to care for the indigent sick and has become the patron saint of nurses. **3rd segment:** Tom said a relic is the body of a saint or objects that belonged to the saint (rosaries, clothes, letters). A third-class relic is something that was touched to the body of the saint or perhaps to their tomb. He said the roots of veneration of relics is in the Book of 2nd Kings where a man is revived after his dead body touches the bones of the Prophet Elisha. In Acts of Apostles, objects from St. Paul are touched to the sick who are healed. During the age of the martyrs, Christians worked hard to collect the remains of saints. [St. Polycarp](http://www.americancatholic.org/features/saints/saint.aspx?id=1300), the bishop of Smyrna, was burned by the Romans and the Christians collected his bones and every year on his feast day, the Christians of Smyrna gathered at his sarcophagus and the bishop said Mass on top of it. That began the custom of placing relics in the altars of churches and chapels. The relic in today's altars are typically of the patron saint of the church or chapel and it has to be a first-class relic. In older churches, before Vatican II, the relics will be relics of martyrs for a rock-solid link to the tombs of the martyrs in the catacombs. Today, while martyrs are preferred, there are also relics of other saints. Scot asked Fr. Matt what is the symbolism of the priest kissing the altar before Mass. Fr. Matt said they bow to the altar because it the place of sacrifice and the kissing of the altar is connected first with the sacrifice. Where they kiss is the altar stone, under which the relic is kept. So he thinks it's both venerating the altar of sacrifice and the relics that are there. Priests are called to live sacrificial lives like Christ and every priest is invited to consecrate his priesthood and victimhood to the Lord Jesus. Scot noted that some criticized Catholics for worshipping relics. Tom said St. Jerome and other fathers of the church warned Catholics to remember that saints are not mini-Gods. Only God is worshipped. We venerate or honor saints because they lived heroic lives here on earth and are now glorified in heaven with honors from God. Tom said worship and venerate are not synonyms. Scot also noted that the practice of veneration of saints was ratified again by the Council of Trent after the Protestant Reformation. Tom said the Council of Trent referred to the practice of the movement of saints' bodies from their tombs to place of veneration. >Further, the council insists that "in the invocation of saints the veneration of relics and the sacred use of images, every superstition shall be removed and all filthy lucre abolished." Again, "the visitation of relics must not be by any perverted into revellings and drunkenness." To secure a proper check upon abuses of this kind, "no new miracles are to be acknowledged or new relics recognized unless the bishop of the diocese has taken cognizance and approved thereof." Moreover, the bishop, in all these matters, is directed to obtain accurate information to take council with theologians and pious men, and in cases of doubt or exceptional difficulty to submit the matter to the sentence of the metropolitan and other bishops of the province, "yet so that nothing new, or that previously has not been usual in the Church, shall be resolved on, without having first consulted the Holy See."  In the age of the martyrs, on the anniversary of the martyrdom of a local saint, the Christians would go into the catacombs and celebrate Mass either on the sarcophagus or facing the niche in the wall in which the body lay. These people were always living in constant danger of another persecution and so this was a very heroic act. The people did not live in the tombs or hide out from the Romans there, contrary to popular myth. They hid in the mountains or the desert.  Tom said except for St. John the Evangelist and the Virgin Mary, for the first few centuries every saint was a martyr. After Constantine liberated the Church in 315, other holy persons were recognized. The Church realized that God manifests his grace in all types of conditions of life. **4th segment:** It's time to announce the winner of the weekly **WQOM Benefactor Raffle**. Our prize this week is a Curtis Martin Book Pack (3 books): ["Made for More"](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1934217492/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pilo0e-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=1934217492) by Curtis Martin and ["Family Matters"](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931018146/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pilo0e-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=1931018146), by Michaelann and Curtis Martin    This week's winner is **William & Therese Redmond from Scituate**. Congratulations William and Therese! If you would like to be eligible to win in an upcoming week, please visit [WQOM.org](http://www.WQOM.org). For a one-time $30 donation, you'll receive the Station of the Cross benefactor card and key tag, making you eligible for WQOM's weekly raffle of books, DVDs, CDs and religious items. We'll be announcing the winner each Wednesday during “The Good Catholic Life” program. **5th segment:** Scot asked about the relics of Jesus himself. He noted that the Cathedral of the Holy Cross in Boston has a relic of the True Cross. Tom said in 326 AD, St. Helen, mother of Constantine, made a pilgrimage to the Holy Land to visit the Holy Sepulchre where Christ's tomb lay. She found three wooden crosses at the site and to determine which was Jesus' they touched an ill person to each one. After identifying the cross, they left a portion in Jerusalem and took the other part back to Rome with her. The provenance of those two portions is so good, that we can be confident of those portions' authenticity.  Scot asked how relics are authenticated. In Rome, there is an official source for relics, but what is the process in general. Tom said since the Council of Trent when the Church became sensitive to the abuse of relics, there has been a process of a clearinghouse and authentication. For each new saint, part of the process is to go to the tomb, open it, and move the remains to a shrine where people can come for pilgrimage. At the time, there are church officials who authenticate the process and all the remains,. Fr. Matt asked about the [Shroud of Turin](http://www.shroud.com/). Tom said the evidence for its authenticity goes back and forth, but he keeps coming back to a photograph taken of the shroud that only in the negative showed the image of Christ on it. How could they have done that in 1240, which is the oldest authenticated mention of the shroud. But even if it isn't authentic, it doesn't change the Catholic faith one iota. It'd be nice if it's authentic, but our faith doesn't depend on it. Tom said two places claim to have St. Veronica's veil: St. Peter's in Rome and a little Italian chapel. Tom said in the Middle Ages, copies of the authentic veil were authorized and now they can't tell which was the original and which was the copy. The story of the veil goes back at least to the 4th century. Scot mentioned the [Holy House of Loreto](http://www.sacred-destinations.com/italy/loreto-holy-house). Fr. Matt visited Loreto, Italy, last month. He noted that many saints have prayed there. It is said to be the place where the Blessed Mother lived and grew up and where the Archangel Gabriel appeared to the Blessed Mother. Tom said that since it's off the tourist track , it has a more peaceful nature. The story is that in 1291, when the crusaders were expelled from the Holy Land, angels carried the house from Nazareth to Loreto and a chapel was built over it. While it can't be definitively proved to be the actual house of the Holy Family, the Church says that it cannot be definitively said not to be. Fr. Matt noted that the stones of the house have been identified as coming from Nazareth. Scot asked that if Pope John Paul II is eventually canonized, what is the process for his relics to be made and distributed for veneration. Tom said it's not uncommon in medieval cathedrals to see body parts of saints, but today the Church tends not to dismember the saint. Today they will remove a few bones and break them up for distribution. In John Paul's case, doctors had kept a few vials of his blood and that has been prepared for dissemination to a few places, such as Poland. The days of sending skulls of saints to a different place are over. Tom said in the case of John Paul that it appears he has not decomposed, but there's no definitive answer from Rome. He did note that some people pointed out that popes' bodies are sealed in three different caskets and a stone tomb, which may delay decomposition. throughout history, many saints have been disinterred after 50 or 60 years or more, their bodies were found to be incorrupt and is considered a miracle in the Church. But not every saint is incorrupt and there is no explanation for why some and not others. Fr. Matt noted that St. Bernadette looks stunning more than 150 years later. Scot asked how a Catholic should respond to someone who regards the whole practice as gross and offensive. Tom said that certainly we would not dismember a saint today. What motivated people of then and now is a desire for a physical connection with someone who was holy in this life and is with God in the next. This isn't just a spiritual reality. People even today will gawk and gather around objects like Mary Todd Lincoln's gloves stained with the blood of President Lincoln. It's a natural desire to have a link with someone they deeply admire. He has a book coming out in November on patron saints called "This Saint Will Change Your Life."

Happy All Saints Day! We travel to Spain today to hear Brother Giles taking part in a centuries old custom. . . in a cemetery. The history of All Saints Day, and it's relationship to Halloween. Duped by an e-mail from Africa . . . . More than you ever wanted to know about Operating Room Music. We finish up our tribute to the Eight North American Martyrs, and preview a new book on Saints, Saints Behaving Badly. Visit the SQPN blog at SQPN.com to comment on the book, or any others. Music for this show. . . November, by Someday Company, from garageband.com, Levenah Rising from the album Samadhi, by Christopher of the Wolves, from Magnatune.com Saints Behaving Badly, by Thomas J. Craughwell. Links to North American martyrs - http://www.silk.net/RelEd/canadianmartyrs.htm#lalande