Archive Fever

Clare and Matt speak to historian, author and fellow podcaster Yves Rees, author of the new book ‘Travelling to Tomorrow The modern women who sparked Australia's romance with America' (UNSW Press).

It's complete carnage as Clare and Yves attempt to wrangle the phenomenon that is journalist, editor, historian, screenwriter, novelist and award-winning author Mark Dapin into the Archive Fever hot seat to discuss his latest venture in investigative crime writing, Carnage. We talk about growing up Jewish and working-class in a British army town, the stratified landscape of male violence, The Troubles, Chinese restaurants, what happens when your archives can shoot you in the knees and why researching true crime is the archival equivalent of crack cocaine. A wild and hilarious ride.

Clare and Yves speak to Mark Dapin, journalist, historian, screenwriter and author of the book 'Carnage: A succulent Chinese meal, Mr Rent-a-Kill and the Australian Manson murders'.

Today on Archive Fever the tables are turned, and interviewer turns interviewee. Co-host Clare Wright jumps in the hot seat to tell Yves and producer Matt Smith about the research journey behind her latest book Näku Dhäruk: The Bark Petitions (Text, 2024)—the final work in her Democracy Trilogy, an award-winning series that uses the material heritage of Australian democracy to retell how the people acquired a voice. How to incorporate Yolngu ways of being and knowing into a linear historical narrative? What does it mean to practice truth telling a year on from the unsuccessful Voice referendum? Where did Clare uncover a long-lost fourth copy of the bark petition? And what does Joan Didion have to do with any of this?

A legend walks into the studio, as Yves and Clare are joined by queer royalty, Joan Nestle. In 1974, Joan founded the Lesbian Herstory Archives in her home in New York. Fifty years later, Yves and Clare ask: how DO you start an archive from scratch, especially when so much of the history you are documenting has been lived underground? Why are archives the counter-narrative to a nation's institutional history? Can an archival collection be both narrowly defined and broadly inclusive? How did a hundred women end up on Joan's bed? And is it ever kosher to disguise your identity to steal photos of Eleanor Roosevelt and her lover?

Clare and Yves speak to Antony Loewenstein, author of 'The Palestine Laboratory'.

Clare and Yves are joined by Jazz Money, a queer Wiradjuri filmmaker, poet and artist whose debut feature film WINHANGANHA (2023) uses archival footage by or about First Nations people from the National Film and Sound Archive to ‘make sense of the archival inheritances that shape our present realities'. What does it mean for First Nations creators to speak back to the colonial archive? How can we honour the archive of the body? And why is it essential to foreground love and joy and sexiness and strength, alongside violence and suffering?

Before British colonisation, there were more than 250 languages spoken on this continent. Less than half survive today, and most of them are under threat. In a live episode of their hit podcast, Archive Fever, historians Yves Rees and Clare Wright are joined by special guests Cheryl Leavy and Paul Girrawah House to discuss orality as archive: how language helps us know the past and why the work of language revitalisation – bringing languages back to life – is so vital to the future.

In the final episode for Season 5, Yves and Clare are joined by filmmaker, conservationist and adventurer, Oliver Cassidy, on a meandering journey from the fires of archival passions to the watery depths of the Franklin River and its deep time. Oliver takes us through the research and emotional backstory to his stunning documentary film, FRANKLIN, to reveal the relationship between human diversity and biodiversity. How does the dual transition narrative of the film demonstrate the quest to be the best version of yourself? What story do we tell ourselves about who we are, both as individuals and as a nation? Is it possible to heal multiple wounds – historical, familial, environmental, political – by using a river as archive, as a source of evidence? How can we use can we use documentary film footage as a tool of archival activism so that current generations can draw courage from the traditions of commitment, protection and responsibility of past change leaders?

Can historians kick off the shackles of footnotes and approach the past in the spirit of play? This week on Archive Fever, Clare and Yves are joined by Dr Nadia Rhook, a historian and poet whose most recent collection is Second Fleet Baby (Freemantle Press, 2022). In a conversation that tackles the limitations of the history discipline, Nadia shares her journey from conventional academic historian to creative writer who connects with the past from the fullness of herself. How can we restore the past in ways that nourish the historian? Why does being more creative involve giving up authority? And what can settler historians learn from First Nations archival poetics?

Luke Watt and Nigel Wearne performing 'Needle and the Fray', inspired by Clare Wright's book 'The Forgotten Rebels of Eureka'.

Skirting the fringes of blues, country and outlaw folk, Clare and Yves speak to Luke Watt and Nigel Wearne of Above the Bit.

Bonjour Australie! This week, Clare and Yves put on their berets and grab a baguette to talk Australian history through a French lens with Dr Alexis Bergantz, historian at RMIT University and author of the award-winning French Connection: Australia's Cosmopolitan Ambition (NewSouth, 2021). How does being an outsider give one fresh eyes on a nation's past? Why should we disrupt the monolingualism of Australia's settler history? What do non-English archives bring to the table? And can foreign-language sources help us challenge nationalist mythologies?

This week on Archive Fever, Clare and Yves dive down into the archival underbelly of 1930s queer, criminal Sydney, with author, performance and activist, Fiona Kelly Macgregor, whose recent novel Iris is a stunner. Why does holding the bullets from a woman's gun – trial evidence – compel you to spend twenty years writing a book? How do you get a voice from the dead to rise up out of the grave, speaking in the urban colloquial vernacular of a bygone era? At what is all this nostalgia for a pre-digital age where it was possible to driftnet fish in the stacks? Fiona takes us on a tour through tattoos, night clubs and streets that might just be familiar to you … sort of.

Who said archives had to be on planet earth? This week on Archive Fever, Clare and Yves are joined by Kamilaroi woman Krystal de Napoli, an astrophysicist, advocate for Indigenous astronomy and co-author of the award-winning book Astronomy: Sky Country (2022). How does the sky function as an archive for Indigenous knowledges? Why does light pollution threaten this celestial library? And why must any recognition of Indigenous sovereignty extend to the sky? Once you learn about Indigenous sky rights, you'll never think about Country the same way again.

This week is a first for Archive Fever: a lawyer in the hot seat! Clare and Yves are joined by Professor Kate Auty, barrister, magistrate, law reformer and, with the 2023 release of her book O'Leary of the Underworld, historian. What are the differences between legal research and historical research? What happens when an archivist turns informer? Why, when you ‘enter a justice space', is writing an explainer simply not an option? What happens to judicial impartiality when you want to flay your historical protagonist alive? And how does it feel, down there in the gutter fight of history?

Clare and Yves are joined by Zoe Coombs Marr, comedian, actor and creator of the ABC TV history documentary Queerstralia (2023). How does foraging and research shape the process of making comedy? What are queer temporalities and why was Queerstralia made as a looping metanarrative? What does it look like inside Zoe's brain? Plus: a cameo appearance from Zelda the cavoodle, and Zoe reveals all about her street vomit archive.

Clare and Yves are joined by Emeritus Professor Judith Brett, scholar of Australian politics and political history and author of such award-winning books as Robert Menzies: Forgotten People (2016) and The Enigmatic Mr Deakin (2017) and most recently, Doing Politics: Writing on Public Life (2022). What does it feel like to be obsessed with the past? The group discusses the psychoanalytic journey from an obscure Viense poet to Robert Menzies, reading for patterns, and writing history as an act of reparation.

Yves and Clare are joined by British historian and disability scholar Lauren Pikó, whose work explores the cultural histories of landscape. Lauren is the author of Milton Keynes in British Culture: Imagining England (2019). How does one look at archives and research through a disability lens? The group discusses the importance of presence and absence, digitising the archive, and accessibility of institutional and archival research.

Clare and Yves are joined by Dr Lauren Burns, aeronautical engineer and author of Triple Helix: My Donor-Conceived Story (2022). How do you move forward when you hit the research brick wall again and again? What if your greatest archive is your own DNA? The group discusses carbon fibre, what was hidden becoming obvious, and genetic bewilderment.

Yves and Clare are joined by Dr Mike Jones, archivist, historian, deputy director of the ANU's research centre for deep history, and author of Artefacts, Archives, and Documentation in the Relational Museum (2021). What dangers lie in sacralizing the archive? Is it truly possible to allow everyone control over their own story? The group discusses the historian's professional anxiety, patrolling the disciplinary boundaries of archival work, and a hidden code in paperclips.

Clare and Yves are joined by journalist and broadcaster Tamara Oudyn whose latest ABC podcast series, ‘The Good Divorce', tells the story of the seemingly elusive good divorce. Where does the research begin for a topic that's still so taboo? The group discusses the key ingredients that make good talent, sources as a human archive, and balancing the light and shade in the world today.

Clare and Yves are joined by Duane Hamacher, a cultural astronomer from the University of Melbourne, specialising in Indigenous astronomy. Duane's book, The First Astronomers: How Indigenous Elders Read the Stars (2022), is the product of 10 years of collaborative research with Indigenous elders. How does a boy from Missouri wind up reading the antipodean stars? What gets overlooked when knowledge is discredited as myth and legend? The group discusses outsiders, variable stars changing the history of science, and researching with ears open, mouth shut.

Clare and Yves are joined by Associate Professor Anna Clark, historian and author of Making Australian History (2022). How does one tell the history of history itself? Can we expand the very notion of the archive with a leap of imagination? The group discusses fateful timetable clashes, the opaqueness of deep time, and the limitations of a chronology-obsessed history with a capital H.

Clare and Yves are joined by the spectacular Kate Grenville to discuss searching for secrets, fictionalising colonial history and Kate's latest non-fiction book, Elizabeth Macarthur's Letters.

Yves and Clare are joined by literary biographer Bernadette Brennan and documentary filmmaker Tosca Looby, who have recently documented the life and times of two of the most influential women in recent Australian history, to learn how the archive shapes and limits the stories we tell about powerful women.

Yves and Clare are joined by Professor John Carty and Dr Jared Thomas from the South Australia Museum to learn how the museum is grappling with its collection of unidentified Indigenous human remains — an archive of bones — and explore how the museum's historical artefacts can operate as a “cultural seedbank” to facilitate the memory of and reconnection with Indigenous knowledges.

Yves and Clare are joined by Catherine Dwyer, the filmmaker behind Brazen Hussies (2020), a history of the rebels and activists who brought the women's liberation movement to Australia. What happens when someone's story is in contention with the archive? What do you do with the footage left on the cutting room floor? The group discusses uncovering buried treasure, the methodology of visual storytelling, and the nitty-gritty of using archival footage in Australia.

Yves and Clare are joined by Samia Khatun, historian, filmmaker, and senior lecturer at the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies. Samia's latest book, Australianama: The South Asian Odyssey in Australia (2019) takes aim at the claim that the knowledge traditions of Enlightened man have superseded the epistemologies of peoples colonised by European empires. Are the archives themselves the problem, or the questions we ask of them? The group discusses an extraordinary discovery in the middle of the Australian outback, the historian's power of time travel, and the potential of the dream archive.

Clare and Yves are joined by medical historian and public history advocate extraordinaire, Dr Peter Hobbins. In 2020 Peter's expertise surrounding the influenza pandemic of 1918 came into play as the world grappled with the Covid-19 crisis. What can we learn from the past? Is history really cyclical, or more parallel? The group discusses an archival submarine, misgivings with a digital archive of data, and documenting the pandemic in real time (#covidstreetarchive).

Yves and Clare are joined by Lynne Kelly and Margo Neale, co-authors of Songlines: The Power and Promise (2020), the first in a ground-breaking series on “First Knowledges”. How do songlines, visualized as pathways of knowledge that crisscross the continent, act as an embodied knowledge system? What is the connection between memory and place? The group discusses the recipe for unforgettable information, the “third archive”, and the mind-altering power of bringing humanity into… everything.

Yves and Clare are joined by Mark McKenna, historian and award-winning author whose latest book Return to Uluru (2021) tells the hidden history of a story at the heart of the nation. Does the contemporary white historian present themselves in the role of a savior figure? The group discusses the emotional and ethical difficulties of working with personal archives, the significance of a storyteller's own identity, and the gendered nature of a colonial history that seeks to penetrate the center of a nation.

Clare and Yves are joined by international archive addict, academic, and author of the new novel Take Me Apart (2020), Sarah Sligar. How significant is the role of interpretation in an archive, and does a work of fiction allow for a greater exploration of meaning? The group discusses what personality type predisposes one to become an archive addict, going “down the hole,” and assuming the role of detective amongst the documents. Is all archival research, after all, an act of snooping?

Clare and Yves are joined by interdisciplinary contemporary Australian artist Brook Andrew, whose work converses with the archives in an interrogation of the legacies of colonialism and modernism. Can confronting the trauma of the archives take us to places of freedom and healing? Where is the line between critique and trauma porn? The group discusses the archival turn in contemporary Indigenous art, the learnt voyeurism of culture, and art as a release from the archive.

Clare and Yves are joined by Jess Hill, award-winning journalist, television presenter, and author of the 2020 Stella Prize winner See What You Made Me Do (2019). Hill's book puts perpetrators - and the systems that enable them - in the spotlight. Too often, Hill writes, “we ask the wrong question: Why didn't she leave? We should be asking: Why did he do it?” The group discusses overcoming rage and confronting internalized misogyny, the emotional complexities of the human archive, and eating stolen academic journal articles for breakfast. If you, or someone you know, need assistance and support through domestic and family violence in Australia you can call the National Sexual Assault, Domestic Family Violence Counselling Service: 1800RESPECT (1800 737 732).

Clare and Yves are joined by Gideon Haigh for a special live episode. Gideon opens the batting for Season 3 with an eloquent ramble through cricket, inquests, insanity, activism, what happens when you turn up on descendants' doorsteps unannounced and how, once seen, certain things you find in the archives can never be unseen. Archive Fever diagnosis: terminal.

Clare and Yves are joined by Associate Professor Michelle Arrow, historian of modern Australia at Sydney's Macquarie University and author of The Seventies: The Personal, the Political and the Making of Modern Australia (NewSouth Publishing, 2019). Is there a power behind romanticizing the archive, or the cliche of playing archival detective? Michelle explores the rich archival basis of her work on the 1974 Royal Commission on Human Relationships, the transcripts and sensitive submissions locked away in “a bunker in the bush”. The group discusses the Commission taking stock of the impact of second-wave feminism and the ethical implications of working on the history of the not-so-long-ago seventies. Michelle also uncovers the perceived national security threat posed by a spoon.

Yves and Clare are joined by Dr Natalie Harkin, a Narungga woman, writer, poet, and author of Archival-Poetics (Vagabond Press, 2019). How do we weave our histories, our stories? Natalie talks about piecing together her family narrative through state Aboriginal records and archives in order to make sense of a fractured history and create a new space in Archival Poetics. The group considers the paradox of Natalie's archive fever, rebuilding the archival container, the dual voices of oppression and resilience, entering the archive with rupturing intent, and weaving your way back out.

Clare and Yves are joined by environmental historian Dr Alessandro (Sandro) Antonello, senior research fellow at Flinders University and author of The Greening of Antarctica: Assembling an International Environment (Oxford University Press, 2019). What's a historian to do when their archive is disappearing before their very eyes? Sandro discusses his journey from his local parish records in year nine, to working in the ice that comprises the Antarctic. Sandro explores the relationship between humanity and science and reveals how he was caught up in a climate-denying Fox News storm. Most importantly, he reminds us never to “leave our own archive” behind in Antarctica.

Yves and Clare are joined by internationally renowned space archeologist Alice Gorman, who you may also know as Dr Space Junk, author of Dr Space Junk Vs The Universe: Archaeology and the Future (MIT Press, 2019). How do we catalog, access, and work in an archive suspended in the stars above our heads? Alice discusses her journey from indigenous heritage management to satellites and spacecraft, and reflects on the pitfalls of understanding the story of humankind as “from the stone age to the space age”. The group also discusses code-breaking, armor against mortality, colonialism and the unexpected delights of cable-ties.

Clare and Yves are joined by author Helen Garner, whose latest book The Yellow Notebook (Text, 2020) is an edited collection of the author's diaries--or what you might call a self-archive. Helen explores the psychic necessity of diary keeping, the tendency of memory to smooth over our own crimes, and the truth to be found in self-research. The group discusses their shared motto and letters that elicit a sweat of fury, before reflecting on what it means to bear the blows in life and hand them out.

For a special live launch of season 2, Clare and Yves are joined by Professor Jenny Hocking, the driving force behind the campaign to unlock the Palace Letters and expose the truth about the Dismissal. Jenny reveals how she contracted archive fever from writing biographies of powerful men, and explains why the history revealed by the letters between Sir John Kerr and the Palace is "far worse than she'd imagined". Plus she shares her dirty little archive secret - a family skeleton in the closet that shocked Gough Whitlam. Recorded live online with an audience via zoom, 20 August 2020.

What do we know about queer lives and stories from the past? At this special live recording at the Wheeler Centre, hosts Clare Wright and Yves Rees are joined by historian Noah Riseman and trans scholar and activist Julie Peters to discuss the absence of queer people, especially trans and gender diverse people, from conventional records and historical data. Where else might we go to locate a trans or non-binary lineage? What records may LGBTIQA+ elders and predecessors have kept, and how we can recover and integrate queer figures and stories into our broader understanding of Australian history? Join us as we discuss how to set the record queer. Recorded live at the Wheeler Centre, Melbourne on 28 November 2019.

How might we decolonize the archive? Clare and Yves are joined by Paul Daley, Walkley award-winning journalist and author whose work includes the column “Postcolonial” in the Guardian. Paul shares his forays into archives of colonial destruction and reflects on his addiction to the paper trail, before grappling with some thorny human questions. What do you do with a room full of bones? Should some archives be dis-assembled? And can historians afford to bite the hand that feeds?

Clare and Yves are joined by Rachel Buchanan, journalist, historian, writer and chief archivist of the Germaine Greer Archive at the University of Melbourne. How does an archivist build an archive? Who has the right to feast on these stories? And what on earth do cryogenics, radioactive waste and bread have to do with archival work? In this episode, we take a deep dive into the ethics of making and using archives. Buchanan argues for a feminist ethics of care, explains how whakapapa shapes and strengthens her work, and recalls the day her blood ran cold in the Greer Archive.

Clare and Yves are joined by Billy Griffiths, historian and author of the award-winning Deep Time Dreaming: Uncovering Ancient Australia. Can an archive exist in the ground beneath our feet? The group talks archaeology—a discipline which startles the border between the sciences and the humanities—as archival research, the archive as contested space, and the gendered ramifications of the Indiana Jones Effect.

How do historical novelists mix research and imagination to bring stories to life? Do they get anxious about wading into academic turf? To investigate these questions, Clare and Yves chat to Jock Serong, award-winning novelist and author of Preservation—a captivating thriller based on the true story of a shipwreck in colonial Australia. Jock reflects on the archive of human character he encountered in his former life as a lawyer, shares tales of battling his editor over animal-skin water carriers, and confesses a secret love of Google Earth.

Clare and Yves are joined by Gwenda Tavan, Associate Professor of Politics at La Trobe University, and one of Australia's foremost experts in the history and politics of immigration and multiculturalism. How do we find the human face of bureaucratic archives? Can researchers' detective work impact lives and policies in the present? The group discuss the emotional and intellectual meanings of archives, consider the challenges of family gatekeepers, and reflect on the power and responsibility of archival access.

Clare and Yves are joined by author Chloe Hooper, whose latest book The Arsonist (2018) weaves together the story of the Black Saturday Fires out of the threads of a living archive. Can the landscape and its scars reveal a true history? The group discusses paper trails in the legal system, the question of trust, and engaging in the physical archive of landscape.

Clare and Yves are joined by author Chloe Hooper, whose latest book The Arsonist (2018) weaves together the story of the Black Saturday Fires out of the threads of a living archive. Can the landscape and its scars reveal a true history? The group discusses paper trails in the legal system, the question of trust, and engaging in the physical archive of landscape.

Clare Wright and Yves Rees expose their archive addict underbellies, pay tribute to Jacques Derrida, the patron saint of Archive Fever, and share stories of catching the research bug. The first session of Archives Anonymous meets here, welcome to the group.