Binder Podcast

Producer Drew chats with CMA Executive Director Della Watkins for an exclusive behind-the-scenes look at the museum's lighting renovation project and its 75th anniversary. Discover the details of hard hat tours, navigating unexpected challenges, and the surprising number of paint layers on the special exhibition gallery walls in this engaging one-on-one interview.

In this final episode of the (Un)Settled Podcast, host Drew Baron visits the exhibition's final stop at the Wadsworth Atheneum Museum of Art in Hartford, Connecticut. There, he joins Krieble Curator of American Paintings and Sculpture, Erin Monroe, to reflect on the impact and outcomes of this distinctive collaborative survey of American art. Later, Baron visits contemporary landscape artists Tom McGrath at his studio in Brooklyn, New York to discuss his painting Untitled (Yellow Grid), the relevance of landscape painting in contemporary American art, and the lasting impact of the highway system on the American psyche. (Un)Settled: The Landcape in American Art is on view at the Wadsworth Atheneum Museum of Art from June 12 to September 14, 2025: https://www.thewadsworth.org/explore/...The (Un)Settled Podcast is a multipart special presentation of the Binder Podcast dedicated to the traveling exhibition (Un)Settled: The Landscape in American Art. Part of a series of American art exhibitions created through a multi-year, multi-institutional exhibition partnership formed by the Wadsworth Atheneum Museum of Art as part of the Art Bridges Cohort Program.

To celebrate the museum's 75th anniversary, host Ray McManus takes a deep dive into its history and future. First, producer Drew joins Ray for a game of "Double Date" to spotlight key acquisitions throughout the museum's history. Next, collections specialist Noelle Nelson shares insights into the museum's journey from its early days at the Thomas Taylor House to the present. Finally, deputy director Joelle Ryan Cook drops by to share exciting plans for the museum's future, looking ahead to its 75th year and beyond.

Host Ray McManus and Producer Drew take a nostalgic journey through the past five years of CMA programming, revisiting standout moments. From the Mona Lisa to video games inspired by M.C. Escher, this lively clip show highlights a diverse range of fascinating topics.Featured Programs:Interior Lives Lecture with Curator Michael Neumeister: https://youtu.be/_123uORVr_A?si=fL4Ri3W_I1Ft3dpECatawba Law and Indigenous Sovereignty: https://youtu.be/JDF_zzwyNYM?si=pcnQQ0vmyVY90Lby"A World Seeing More Than Human Culture" with Rina Banerjee: https://youtu.be/w89nPIrIoiY?si=IznzCQwTjUExjfeiDonatello, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Raphael: The Italian Renaissance in America: https://youtu.be/_0ErgsUHnDw?si=lTZCpScPkB96dcXdThe Secret Lives of Great Artists with Alyssa Velazquez: https://youtu.be/dxyrDG1-960?si=kUd-vF38yRz5dT9aEscher and the Virtual Realm: https://youtu.be/ZxLL_1aZRbI?si=Ce6Vmfcs3lN4IRkc(Un)Settled: Opening Performance: https://youtu.be/BF5prkLD-mg?si=SkZJ1MOQ8o-H_cyv

To kick off the new year, Ray and producer Drew discuss their predictions for what will shape the arts in 2025 through a wide range of topics, including artificial intelligence, nostalgia, environmental issues, and, naturally, the CMA.

In today's episode, Stan Hackney, the curator of art and audience engagement at the Mobile Museum of Art, returns to discuss Un(Settled) and the inclusion of Alex Harris's photograph Longleaf Pines, Knoll Park, Fairhope. Later, documentary photographer Alex Harris joins series host Drew Baron to explore the art of documentary photography and his work in Mobile, featured in the book Why We Are Here: Mobile and the Spirit of a Southern City, co-written with renowned naturalist E.O. Wilson. (Un)Settled: The Landcape in American Art is now on view at the Mobile Museum of Art: https://www.mobilemuseumofart.com/exhibitions/unsettled/ The (Un)Settled Podcast is a multipart special presentation of the Binder Podcast dedicated to the traveling exhibition (Un)Settled: The Landscape in American Art. Part of a series of American art exhibitions created through a multi-year, multi-institutional exhibition partnership formed by the Wadsworth Atheneum Museum of Art as part of the Art Bridges Cohort Program.

Inspired by the CMA's latest exhibition, French Moderns: Monet to Matisse, 1850 – 1950, host Ray McManus delves into the theme of rebellion across art movements, music, writing, and more. Curator Michael Neumeister drops by to discuss the exhibition and the way artists of this period defied academic norms and critical expectations, forging a new visual language. Next, writer Julia Liz Elliott returns to the podcast to talk about her love of surrealism, avant-garde rock music of the 1980s, her journey breaking into the literary world from the fringes, and her forthcoming anthology, Hellions.

In today's episode, the Montgomery Museum of Art's head of learning and programs Emily Stuart Thomas returns to discuss viewer reactions to After The Rain (Methane) on the view in (Un)Settled. Then, the artist of the painting Jacqueline Bishop joins series host Drew Baron to discuss her work, global travel for field research, the ecological impacts of humans on the environment, and why birds are the messengers for the world. The (Un)Settled Podcast is a multipart special presentation of the Binder Podcast dedicated to the traveling exhibition (Un)Settled: The Landscape in American Art. Part of a series of American art exhibitions created through a multi-year, multi-institutional exhibition partnership formed by the Wadsworth Atheneum Museum of Art as part of the Art Bridges Cohort Program.

In the season finale of More Than Rhythm: A Black Music Series, host Dr. Birgitta Johnson sits down with Cam Wescott and Noah Jones of Charleston-based funk and soul outfit The Psycodelics to discuss the lasting legacy of funk, embracing falsetto singing, and the band's upcoming debut studio album. Featuring clips from their musical performance recorded live at the Columbia Museum of Art in September 2024. 

Producer Drew drops in to host an episode spotlighting CMA community programming. First, Engagement Manager Dana Witkoski returns to share details about upcoming events on Boyd Plaza and the benefits of refreshing your routine. Then, Silent Book Club host Jemia Williams stops by to talk about how the book club found its home at the museum and shares her favorite reading recommendations. After the break, Curiosity Coffee Bar's Greg Slattery chats about coffee, his love of the Columbia community, and his collaboration with the museum on the Morning Blend daytime concert series. And enjoy an intro from George Bailey, president of the Boyd Foundation, who has been dedicated to making Boyd Plaza a Main Street District highlight since its complete renovation in 2019. The programs featured in this episode are supported by a grant from the Knight Foundation Fund at Central Carolina Community Foundation.

Linger a little longer with an episode dedicated to appreciating art at a leisurely pace. Ray and producer Drew chat about the benefits of taking your time to enjoy art and then play a game before welcoming Curator of Education Glenna Barlow back to the show to talk about how she incorporates visual thinking strategies into gallery tours and how to get the most out of a "slow-looking" experience. After the break, poet Evelyn Berry joins Ray to discuss how ekphrastic poetry helps her slow down and connect with art and how the CMA Collection helped inspire poems in her latest book, Grief Slut.

In today's episode, the Columbia Museum of Art's Curator of Education Glenna Barlow talks about the inclusion of 3 pieces of Catawba pottery in (Un)Settled is creating new context for some beloved museum acquisitions. Then Catawba potter Bill Harris shares memories of his grandmother, Georgia Harris, whose work Bowl with Effigy Heads is featured in the exhibition. Bill Harris is a potter and teacher residing in South Carolina. Harris served as the elected chief of the Catawba Nation from 2011 to 2023. In 2016 Harris was honored as a recipient of the Jean Laney Harris Folk Heritage award. He continues to work in the tradition of Catawba pottery taught to him by his grandmother and shares this knowledge by "teaching Georgia" to his students. Clips of a 1980 interview with historian Thomas J. Blumer and potter Georgia Harris are provided courtesy of the University of South Carolina Lancaster's Native American Studies Center. The (Un)Settled Podcast is a multipart special presentation of the Binder Podcast dedicated to the traveling exhibition (Un)Settled: The Landscape in American Art. Part of a series of American art exhibitions created through a multi-year, multi-institutional exhibition partnership formed by the Wadsworth Atheneum Museum of Art as part of the Art Bridges Cohort Program. Learn more about the Native American Studies Center: https://nativeamericanstudies.org/ Learn more about the Catawba Cultural Center: https://catawbaculture.org/ A transcript of today's episode is available here: https://bit.ly/3yipDXf

Host Ray McManus returns to explore the exhibition (Un)Settled: The Landscape in American Art. First, producer Drew drops by to chat about the exhibition. Then poet and creative social worker Marlanda Dekine sits down to talk about what inspires her work, listening to the land, and her performance project for the (Un)Settled opening celebration.

In today's episode, the Wadsworth's Krieble Curator of American Paintings and Sculpture Erin Monroe returns to talk about material culture in the exhibition and why the inclusion of Dan Friday's glass piece, Aunt Fran's Basket, was so special. Then Friday joins host Drew Baron for an interview discussing his work, heritage, and the world of glass art. Friday has worked with some of the biggest names in the medium — Paul Marioni, Preston Singletary, and since 2000, he has worked at Dale Chihuly's renowned studio, The Boathouse. He's taught at the University of Washington, Pilchuck Glass School, and the Haystack Craft Center in Maine. Friday was also featured as a contestant on season three of Blown Away, Netflix's hit glass art competition show. His work fuses glass with inspiration from his Coast Salish cultural heritage, utilizing forms such as bears, salmon, totems, and baskets. The (Un)Settled Podcast is a multipart special presentation of the Binder Podcast dedicated to the traveling exhibition (Un)Settled: The Landscape in American Art. Part of a series of American art exhibitions created through a multi-year, multi-institutional exhibition partnership formed by the Wadsworth Atheneum Museum of Art as part of the Art Bridges Cohort Program. You can find a full transcript of today's episode here: https://www.columbiamuseum.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/UnSettled%20Ep%202%20Transcript.pdf

The (Un)Settled Podcast is a multipart special presentation of the Binder Podcast dedicated to the traveling exhibition (Un)Settled: The Landscape in American Art. From natural wonders to the open road, the landscape has long been a muse in American art. (Un)Settled questions the shaping of national identity through objects from the colonial era to present. The variety of media and makers helps to redefine whose view is considered and expands on landscape's relevance and resonance in art. In today's episode, host Drew Baron interviews the collaborators of the American South Consortium to learn more about how this partnership started before taking a deep dive into the themes of and inspiration for this exhibition. Featuring interviews with Erin Monroe, Laura Leonard, Glenna Barlow, Michael Neumeister, Margaret Lynn Ausfeld, Emily Stuart Thomas, John Carfagno, and Stan Hackney. This is one in a series of American art exhibitions created by the American South Consortium. Led by the Wadsworth Atheneum, the consortium brings together institutions from three distinct geographic regions including the Columbia Museum of Art (Columbia, SC), the Mobile Museum of Art (Mobile, AL), and the Montgomery Museum of Fine Arts (Montgomery, AL).This multi-year, multi-institutional exhibition partnership was formed by the Wadsworth Atheneum Museum of Art as part of the Art Bridges Cohort Program.

Director of Art and Learning Jackie Adams returns to host an episode dedicated to the artist Darrel Ellis (1958–1992). Over the course of his career, Ellis developed a distinct studio practice that merged the formal vocabularies of drawing, photography, painting, and printmaking to redefine Black male identity and family within the constructs of art history and mainstream culture. First, Jackie sits down with producer Drew to chat about Ellis' innovative artistic approach, drawing parallels to traditional art-making tools from the 16th Century. Then Darrel Ellis: Regeneration co-curators Antonio Sergio Bessa (The Bronx Museum of Art) and Leslie Cozzi (Baltimore Museum of Art) join Jackie to talk about the exhibition, Ellis' life and family, and the contemporary significance of his work.

Ray McManus returns to the hosting seat for an episode dedicated to the CMA's latest exhibition, Interior Lives: Modern American Spaces, 1890–1945. First, producer Drew drops in to talk about some of his personal possessions and what they say about him. Then Ray welcomes senior curator Michael Neumeister to the program to discuss Interior Lives and how these objects are both a reflection of and counterpoint to the socioeconomic and technological shifts happening in the early 20th century. After the break, writer David Joy stops by to talk about the enduring relevance of the exhibition's themes and how he incorporates these ideas into his own work.

In celebration of National Poetry Month, producer Drew sits down with writer-in-residence and podcast host Ray McManus to discuss his latest book, The Last Saturday in America. Set in a nation on the precipice of great change, this book of poetry is an examination of suburban neighbors, bullies, gun violence, and vasectomy appointments. McManus draws a portrait of American masculinity in the face of political division, pandemic, and cultural warfare.

For the third season of More Than Rhythm: A Black Music Series, Dr. Birgitta Johnson returns with musicologist and Miami University Distinguished Professor of Music Dr. Tammy Kernodle to talk about Kernodle's musical project “She Sang Freedom,” chronicling the journey of Black women as the producers of great music over the last four centuries. The two discuss the lasting relevance of freedom music, the importance of women as cultural workers, and the impact of contemporary female musicians like Beyoncé and Taylor Swift. Featuring excerpts from a live performance recorded at the Columbia Museum of Art in February 2024.

In celebration of Sergio Hudson: Focused on the Fit, CMA Director of Art and Learning Jackie Adams hosts the team behind the exhibition and the iconic fashion brand for a series of exclusive interviews. Up first, community curator Megan Pinckney Rutherford stops by to talk about the origins of the exhibition and her love for South Carolina's hometown hero. Then Sergio Hudson co-owner Inga Beckham and co-creative director Charles Lynch join Jackie to talk about the Sergio Hudson Collections' humble beginnings and what it takes to operate one of the top up-and-coming luxury brands in the United States. After the break, Megan returns to talk with her friend and famed creative director and designer Sergio Hudson about the fashion industry, working with his muse Keke Palmer, the "Michelle Obama moment," and how it feels to have an exhibition of his art in his home state.

In today's episode, Director of Art and Learning Jackie Adams sits down with artist and photographer Ann Ray, whose work is featured in the current fashion and photography exhibition Rendez-Vous. For 13 years, she was the only photographer permitted to document the behind-the-scenes culture of Alexander McQueen's runway shows and atelier. Ann shares her memories of working with the iconic fashion designer along with insight into her artistic practice in this extended interview. Lee Alexander Mcqueen and Ann Ray: Rendez-Vous is organized and produced by Barrett Barrera Projects.

Engagement Specialist Dana Witkoski takes over the Binder studio with her friend and longtime CMA collaborator Patti O'Furniture to talk about drag performance as an art form and as a civil service, plus what makes Columbia special. 

Party on, Ray! Today's Binder podcast is all about the museum's biannual block party, Arts & Draughts. Manager of Engagement Wilson Bame drops in to talk about what it takes to put on this signature event, unsanctioned activity with fountains and birthday cake, and what to expect for November 10. After the break, Ray gets this party started in a montage of guest interviews recorded in March 2023 at the last Arts & Draughts. Crank your speakers to 11 and check out this curated spotify playlist of musical performers featured at Arts and Draughts events from 2019 to 2023: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/249v1TAwpAZx1twcdRTvdF

Cheers to volunteers! In today's Binder podcast, Ray takes some time to honor those who donate theirs in an episode dedicated to volunteerism. Deputy Director Joelle Ryan-Cook drops in to tell her CMA origin story and reflect on her time as a member of the museum's Docent Corps before docent and music instructor Emily Creedle stops by to chat about gallery tours, relating music to art, and what it's like to share art with others. After the break, Jennifer Bartell Boykin joins Ray to share her poem "Leaves Like Prayer" and talk about what it's like to be Columbia's new poet laureate and how giving back runs in her family.

Director of Art and Learning Jackie Adams is joined by Resurgence and Renaissance curator Brittany Taylor Driggers to talk with archeologist Steve Baker about his experiences working to create the 1973 Catawba pottery exhibition at the Columbia Museum of Art and what has changed in the 50 years since. This episode of Binder podcast is funded in part by SC Humanities, a state program of the National Endowment for the Humanities. This episode is also funded in part by the South Carolina Arts Commission which receives support from the National Endowment for the Arts.

Tina Williams Brewer weaves ideas related to African diasporic history, spirituality, migration, and shared heritage into vibrant, hand-stitched quilts. Today's episode explores her exhibition Tina Williams Brewer: Stories of Grace. Ray sits down with exhibition curator Michael Neumeister to talk about creating this exhibition and what makes Brewer's work stand out among quilters today. Later, producer Drew chats with the artist to learn about why gathering community lore is so important to her process.

Tαnakɛ! Producer Drew goes back on the road to visit the Native American Studies Center in Lancaster, SC. Joined by NASC director Stephen Criswell, assistant curator Sharon Simmers-Norton, artist and designer Alex Osborne, and storyteller and language historian Beckee Garris, Drew learns more about the art, history, and culture of the Catawba in honor of the exhibition Resurgence and Renaissance: Art of the Catawba Nation Since 1973. This episode of Binder podcast is funded in part by SC Humanities, a state program of the National Endowment for the Humanities. This episode is also funded in part by the South Carolina Arts Commissionwhich receives support from the National Endowment for the Arts. This episode features excerpts of a performance by the Catawba Men's Drum Group recorded on October 2022, courtesy of the Native American Studies Center. Binder podcast is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art. You can learn more about CMA exhibitions, programs, membership, and more at www.columbiamuseum.org

"The American Songster" Dom Flemons joins series host Dr. Birgitta Johnson for the season finale of More Than Rhythm. The two talk about sourcing music from archives, the lasting influence of folk and roots music, and the importance of storytelling. Featuring excerpts from Flemons' live performance at the Columbia Museum of Art in June 2023. 

The new episode of Binder is going off script. Host Ray McManus and producer Drew have a casual conversation in the recording studio about fitting in at an art museum, living in the South, and free admission. Later in the episode, hear a reading of McManus' poem "Empty Church" inspired by CMA Collection piece Grey Conception #2 by Jerry Okimoto. 

The South's got something to say in the latest Binder Podcast. Producer Drew joins Ray to introduce the exhibition Our Own Work, Our Own Way: Ascendant Women Artists in the Johnson Collection before taking a road trip up to Spartanburg, SC, to chat one-on-one with The Johnson Collection's chief operating officer, Sarah Tignor, about the collection, the South, and women in the arts. After the break, USC professor Julia Liz Elliott returns to the podcast to talk about her formative experiences with Southern women writers and what that label means today.

CMA Deputy Director Joelle Ryan-Cook drops in to host a special edition of Binder Podcast all about chamber music. First, she chats with CMA Chamber Music on Main Artistic Director Andrew Armstrong about the concert series, how Chopin helped heal his heartbreak, and having a sense of humor. After the break, Armstrong returns with Grammy Award-winning violinist James Ehnes to talk about practice, passion, and how to tell a joke.

South Carolina Lowcountry soul musician Mahoganëë joins Dr. Birgitta Johnson to talk about her unique style of “Funky Organik Soul,” and her latest album Textures of a Southern Soul (a Gullah Geechee Soul) Vol. 1. Featuring excerpts of a performance by The Mahoganëë Xperience.

Ray sits down with founder of the nonprofit organization Bullets and Bandaids Robert LeHup to talk about veteran affairs, healing emotional scars, and how art can build a bridge between the military and civilian world through dialogue. After the break Robert is joined by Afghan interpreter Zia Ghafoori, poet Ed Madden, and artist Dre Lopez to discuss the Bullets and Bandaids project and the weight and responsibility of interpreting the stories of veterans. Binder is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art. Resources: National Center for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder website: https://www.ptsd.va.gov/ Disaster Distress Hotline: Call or Text 1 (800) 985-5990 National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: Call 1 (800) 273-8255 or Chat Online

Binder is back! On today's episode, producer Drew chats with CMA commissioner and docent Nancy Tolson about why she loves Black art, and Forward Together collector Patrick Diamond stops by to talk about the "magic carpet ride" of collecting it. Later, enjoy an excerpt from a conversation with art historian Dr. Frank Martin and acclaimed South Carolina artist Dr. Leo Twiggs. Binder is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art.

Violinist-arranger-composer-conductor and Columbia native Nicole Neely joins series host Dr. Birgitta Johnson to talk classical music, the Black church, and arranging for artists such as Lauren Hill and Beyoncé. Featuring excerpts of a performance by Neely's string quartet, The Black Exchange.

This new Binder Podcast has the Kress to impress. Ray gets a crash course in Renaissance and Baroque art with the University of South Carolina's Anna Swartwood House. After the break, poet Libby Bernadine stops by to talk spirituality, art, and her new book House In Need Of Mooring. Read Anna's Article here: https://theconversation.com/the-long-history-of-how-jesus-came-to-resemble-a-white-european-142130 Binder podcast is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art

In this special presentation of Binder podcast, producer Drew and Columbia Design League liaison Jackie Palmieri celebrate the CDL's 25th anniversary. Then Jackie joins current CDL board president Anna Sveinbjornsdottir for a preview of what's next for the design league. After the break, CDL founders Tom Savory and Adrienne Montare stop by to discuss the group's history and some of their favorite memories. Learn more about the Columbia Design League: https://www.columbiamuseum.org/belong/affinity-groups/columbia-design-league Binder podcast is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art

Face your fears with an all-new episode of Binder podcast, just in time for Halloween! Producer Drew drops in to help Ray overcome his phobia of snakes with a new game. After the break, Jamieson Ridenhour and Hayley Heninger of the narrative horror podcast Palimpsest stop by to talk about their show and embracing the things that haunt us. Binder is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art. Get more information about exhibitions and programs at www.columbiamuseum.org

Dr. Birgitta Johnson sits down with South Carolina native and globally recognized blues musician Adia Victoria to talk about the blues' past and present, representation within the art form and Adia's latest album A Southern Gothic. Featuring excerpts of an intimate performance by Adia Victoria and her creative partner Mason Hickman recorded at the Columbia Museum of Art in August of 2022.

Producer Drew embarks on a journey to learn more about Shades of Life artist Sigmund Abeles with the help of John Quirk and Graham Duncan of the South Caroliniana Library at the University of South Carolina. Binder is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art Browse the library's digital collections at: https://digital.library.sc.edu/

Producer Drew sits down with Vanesha Perrin, new board president of the Friends of African American Art and Culture, to learn more about her personal art experiences, Delores Logan, and the acquisition of Monotype IV by Oliver Lee Jackson. Binder podcast is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art. www.columbiamuseum.org

And just like that, Binder podcast turned one! On today's episode, Producer Drew brings Ray a few surprises to celebrate the one-year anniversary of the podcast before CMA Chief Preparator and Exhibition Designer Mike Dwyer stops in to illuminate Ray on the world of art preservation. Later, the museum's newest curator, Michael Neumeister, sheds some light on his first art installation at the CMA, Modern Rhythms.

Producer Drew interviews CMA's education and engagement coordinator, Jackie Palmieri. Binder Podcast is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art

Birgitta returns with consciousness-raising Lowcountry musician Benny Starr to dive into the influences and upbringing that inspire his unique brand of hip hop. Featuring excerpts of a recent performance by Starr and his band the Four20s live in concert at the Columbia Museum of Art. This episode contains some adult language. More Than Rhythm: A Black Music Series is presented by the Baker & Baker Foundation. This program has been made possible in part by the National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom. This program is supported by Richland County Government.

An extended interview with writer and naturalist John Lane. Binder podcast is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art.

Binder is en plein air this month as Ray catches up with Jackie Adams about the CMA's latest exhibitions and their relationship with the natural world, and artist Amanda McCavour stops by to talk about her latest series of installation work, Bright Little Day Stars. After the break, Ray chats with writer and naturalist John Lane about rivers, roadkill, and the real outdoors. Binder is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art. Produced and edited by Drew Baron.

Enjoy this bonus conversation with host and ethnomusicologist Dr. Birgitta Johnson, guest musician Mimi Jones, and assistant professor of jazz at UofSC Dr. Colleen Clark. Recorded live during last April's More Than Rhythm concert. More Than Rhythm: A Black Music Series is presented by the Baker & Baker Foundation. This program has been made possible in part by the National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom. This program is supported by Richland County Government.

Birgitta is back, and this time she is joined by jazz musician, educator, and filmmaker Mimi Jones. They explore the history, present, and future of jazz music set to the soundtrack of Mimi Jones' Black Madonna Project live in concert. More Than Rhythm: A Black Music Series is presented by the Baker & Baker Foundation. This program has been made possible in part by the National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom. This program is supported by Richland County Government. The Binder Podcast is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art. Edited and recorded by Drew Baron.

Art for your ears. Hosted by CMA writer-in-residence Ray McManus and produced by the Columbia Museum of art, Binder brings you audio storytelling with writers, artists, scholars, curators, and more.

Host Ray McManus returns to get a feel for the current exhibition, Rodin: Contemplation in Dreams, with CMA's Curator of Education Glenna Barlow before hitting the galleries to check out the new museum touch tours. After the break Ray is joined by poet Ann Chadwell-Humphries to talk about her process, inspiration, and senses as she navigates the world as a person with a visual disability. Binder is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art. Produced and edited by Drew Baron.

In this special presentation of Binder podcast, More Than Rhythm host and ethnomusicologist Dr. Birgitta Johnson interviews Dr. Tony McNeill, leader of the Heritage Celebration Chorale, an aggregation of choral music educators, enthusiasts, and vocal artists from the Carolinas and Georgia. They discuss the history of the Black sacred music tradition and its role in American music culture today. More Than Rhythm: A Black Music Series is presented by the Baker & Baker Foundation with programmatic support provided by the Friends of African American Art & Culture. This program has been made possible in part by the National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom. Music in order of appearance: "Ezekiel Saw De Wheel" - Fisk University Singers "The New York Glide" - Ethel Waters with Albury's Blue and Jazz Seven Performed by the Heritage Celebration Chorale: "Lift Every Voice and Sing" - James Weldon Johnson and J. Rosamond Johnson "Nia" (Purpose) from The Nguzo Saba Suite, Op. 14, No. 5 - Glenn Edward Burleigh "The Beatitudes" - Arr. Gale Jones Murphy "Our God Who Art in Heaven" - Tune: NETTLETON, Text: Tony McNeil "I Done Done What You Told Me to Do" - Arr. Uzee Brown "We Shall Overcome" - Arr. Uzee Brown "Amazing Grace" - Tune: NEW BRITAIN, Arr. Evelyn Simpson Curenton