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Chris brings you snippets from the first face-to-face KOTESOL conference in three years and the podcast's first international conference appearance! The interviewees are: Dave Tolson Jane Kwan Paula Gibson Nicholas Medley Will Tiley Phillip Bennett George Whitehead Elizabeth Jean May Rhea Geta Misato Saunders Matthew Saunders Contacts: haswell247@gmail.com, LostInCitations@gmail.com

For today's episode we have a special guest, from a country we never had any guest before! So it is with great enthusiasm and pleasure that with us today the KOTESOL 2021 National Conference Chair and Reel to Real 2021 Conference Chair, Rhea L. Metituk ( Rhea Gata ) will communicate the Korean Educational experience - a very interesting aspect I was never aware of!

This is the entire recording of Q&A session at KOTESOL 2021 Virtual International Conference.The next 10 years in Technology and Society - and what it means for ESL / ELT (English as second language - teachers), education and work. The presentation can be found here: https://soundcloud.com/gleonhard/the-next-10-years-impact-on-els-language-education-futureofwork-gerd-leonhard-keynote-kotesol2021 How to develop a Future Mindset. Why the end of routine does not mean the end of work. Why smart machines will not replace great English teachers, and much more. Get The 10 Technological and Societal Megashifts Rewiring Our World Free at: futuristgerd.com/megashifts Get the book "Technology vs. Humanity" here https://payhip.com/TvH

This is my entire keynote for the KOTESOL 2021 Virtual International Conference.The next 10 years in Technology and Society - and what it means for ESL / ELT (English as second language - teachers), education and work. How to develop a Future Mindset. Why the end of routine does not mean the end of work. Why smart machines will not replace great English teachers, and much more. Get The 10 Technological and Societal Megashifts Rewiring Our World Free at: https://futuristgerd.com/megashifts

In this week's episode, David and Josh bring on Mel Watkins! Mel is a black woman educator who has been working in English language and social justice education in South Korea since 2013. She has volunteered for KOTESOL, the Seoul Migrant Arts Center and Teach North Korean Refugees, among other organizations, and she is currently involved as an organizer/writer for Black Lives Matter Korea. You can find her recent work in the Hong Kong-published anthology Black in Asia ( also available on Amazon internationally), the 2014 Canadian anthology Trailblasian: Black Women in Asia, and on her blog about subtly, naturally decentering whiteness in literature, Equal Opportunity Reader. Mel's Recommended Books: "How to Be an Antiracist" by Ibram X. Kendi "Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race" by Renni Eddo-Lodge "Minor Feelings" by Cathy Park Hong "The End of Policing" by Alex S. Vitale Korean-speaking readers can also find her interview with Yonhap News about BLM Korea here. Time Stamps: 2:07 Meet Mel Watkins! 6:30 Living as a Black Woman (/Minority) in Korea 22:33 Parallels between the South Korean and African American Experience 31:32 Differentiating between Ignorance and Racism 46:55 The State of Activism in Korea 54:55 The American Response to Racial Injustice 62:18 Deconstructing White Privilege and White Supremacy 87:25 The Future of the Black Lives Matter Movement 95:33 The Broader Black Experience 106:33 Is Equality on the Horizon? 110:51 Mel's Closing Thoughts (and Call to Action!)

This is a great class I picked up while attending KOTESOL. Find it on the web at https://teachingenglishisfun.com/follow-ups-in-conversation-for-esl-learners/ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

http://traffic.libsyn.com/mastersoftesol/20_-_Roger_Fussellman_-_TED_Talks_in_ESL_ELF_class.mp3 I caught up with Roger Fusselman after his KOTESOL conference presentation on using TED talks and videos in general for language teaching. This is a MUST listen for anyone using visual media in the classroom. We cover the DOs and DON’Ts of choosing videos as well as his principles of using media: Challenge / […]

http://traffic.libsyn.com/mastersoftesol/18_-_Discourse_Markers_-_Jon_Campbell-Larsen.mp3 Well, discourse markers are kinda a feature of, like, natural speech in, you know, basically every language. Jon Campbell-Larsen takes us through the how and why of teaching Discourse Markers. Here is a link to an example of how to scaffold students practicing these markers (based on Jon’s KOTESOL hand out). Feel free to adapt […]

http://traffic.libsyn.com/mastersoftesol/17_-_Reichmuth_and_Hanf_-_TV_shows_for_pronunciation_-_QUICKIE.mp3 How effective is using English language TV in helping students improve their pronunciation? Well, Reichmuth & Hanf actually did some research and the results are in. How I Met Your Mother! Another quickie from the last KOTESOL conference.   Keywords: ESL, EFL, TESOL, TEFL, CELTA, DELTA, pronunciation, pronouncing, TV, linguistics, language, second language, teaching, […]

In the first of this batch of hit-n-run quickie interviews from the KOTESOL conference in Seoul at the end of 2016, I spoke to Justin McKibben about how we can expand students roles. By giving students certain speaking tasks the traditional classroom would consider a teacher’s job, we can vastly increase student talk time and […]

Joshua Davies Beyond Info Dump: Using Visuals to Create Interaction in the Classroom Older version of presentation (stay tuned for update) View more presentations from Joshua Davies PDF of presentation slides More resources at: JoshuawDavies.com/kotesol Busan-Gyeongnam Chapter of KOTESOL:  kotesol.org/?q=busan-gyeongnam More KOTESOL media on KB: Koreabridge.net/kotesol Taxonomy upgrade extras: BusanJoshua Davies - On Presentations @ Busan KOTESOL Spring Symposium

Joshua Davies Beyond Info Dump: Using Visuals to Create Interaction in the Classroom Older version of presentation (stay tuned for update) View more presentations from Joshua Davies PDF of presentation slides More resources at: JoshuawDavies.com/kotesol Busan-Gyeongnam Chapter of KOTESOL:  kotesol.org/?q=busan-gyeongnam More KOTESOL media on KB: Koreabridge.net/kotesol

Busan KOTESOL Brainstorm November 4, 2010 Participants:  Bradley Serl,   John Angus MacCaull, Jeff Lebow, & Brian Quirk Topics: Upcoming locale elections, ways to attract new members, other possibilities for the upcoming year of Busan Kotesol   KOTESOL.org Busan GyeongnamChapter Site

Post-show Roundtable KOTESOL Discussion following the 2010 KOTESOL National Candidates Discussion October 3, 2010 Participants:  Peadar Callaghan, Robert Capriles, Sara Davila, Matt Doyon, Doug Huffer, Aaron Jolly,  Jeff Lebow, Stafford Lumsden, Bryan Stoakley Topics Discussed   00:30  - Notification of Conference Session Acceptance or Rejection 06:40 - Website Status & Recording Conference Presentations 10:00  - Role of 1st VP 13:00  Korean Participation & Possibilities of a Korean Language Special Interest Group 22:30 -  Openness, Transparency, Making Organization Information Public 27:10 - More Website Update Details, Mea Culpa, & Prospects for Professional Intervention 37:35 - National Budget 40:00 - Final Words, We KOTESOL Onsite Voting at the International Conference Oct. 16~17 More information about elections & candidates at: http://kotesol.org/?q=elections Chat Log 08:20:39  saradavila ->  Argh...skype is not working for me... 08:20:54  saradavila ->  will try to get it going... 08:21:48  Stoakley ->  teehee...this site uses Drupal...ZeroPoint Theme 08:22:11  Stoakley ->  and has Suckerfish enabled 08:22:41  saradavila ->  working on it. 08:23:15  saradavila ->  Jeff, can you send me a skype request. 08:24:10  saradavila ->  Hi, jeff I think I just sent you a request can you skype me. 08:25:05  jmart ->  What is a ustream? 08:25:32  dhuffer ->  the streaming audio 08:25:32  jmart ->  I don't think I have skype on this computer. 08:25:46  jmart ->  oh, like turn off your radio before calling in. 08:25:54  dhuffer ->  yup 08:26:13  Stoakley ->  We will be recording sessions. 08:26:34  Stoakley ->  I will be putting it up on our official website. 08:26:36  jmart ->  oops I think we have two Jeffs here. 08:26:53  Stoakley ->  I am remaking the website right now. 08:27:01  Stoakley ->  I am. 08:27:12  Stoakley ->  Skype address? 08:27:28  jl ->  koreabridge 08:27:37  Stoakley ->  nope 08:36:29  dhuffer ->  that's what peader said 08:39:22  Stoakley ->  Yes, this is true about Korean teachers, but "easy" ways about it. 08:42:14  Stoakley ->  Competence for image? 08:42:54  jmart ->  I don't know everyones voices so I don't know who is talking. 08:43:26  Stoakley ->  Aaron Jolly 08:43:32  Stoakley ->  Peader 08:43:43  MattinDaegu ->  in encouraging more people of one particular group to be in leadership positions 08:44:00  MattinDaegu ->  not to say that Koreans would not be competent 08:44:47  MattinDaegu ->  I agree with what Peadar said that it should be 'everyone' as opposed to focusing membship drives 08:45:38  Stoakley ->  smooth 08:45:49  Stoakley ->  lol 08:45:53  jmart ->  We should have presentations in Korean for Korean teachers. 08:46:45  MattinDaegu ->  why not in French for teachers from Quebec?  Or Afrikaans for South Africans? 08:46:55  jmart ->  Not all Korean schools have the same schedule. 08:47:22  Stoakley ->  The Daejeon-ChungCheong Chapter SPECIFICALLY changed meetings to cater to K-teachers 08:47:30  jmart ->  MattinDaegu: We are in Korea and most people are working with Koreans. 08:47:45  MattinDaegu ->  true, but we are all teaching English 08:48:09  MattinDaegu ->  and this brings up the issue of competence 08:50:29  jmart ->  Accademic language fluency is not the same as conversational fluency and you have to meet people where they are. I did meet a teacher who used a lot of strategies to make up for his lack of fluency. Teaching about teaching would be something to present in Korean for Korean teachers. 08:51:03  Stoakley ->  Minutes are available. 08:51:20  jmart ->  What about competent administrators who want to improve English teaching in their schools, but don't speak English themselves? 08:52:01  dhuffer ->  Good points jmart 08:52:27  dhuffer ->  BT's fault! 08:52:32  MattinDaegu ->  that's a great idea, I agree heartily...but I wonder if it would take away from resources available...I personally have no problem with Korean sessions being offered 08:52:37  dhuffer ->  ok, never mind 08:52:52  MattinDaegu ->  I just wonder if it would create additional bloqs to be concerned with 08:53:24  jmart ->  I don't speak Korean so it would be up to our Korean speakers to offer presentations and workshops for Koreans. 08:53:45  dhuffer ->  the budget? 08:54:01  MattinDaegu ->  which, as has been mentioned, is an issue given how few Korean members we have at the moment 08:54:29  MattinDaegu ->  would every conference be capable of offering such programs? 08:55:41  MattinDaegu ->  I know for the Daegu chapter there are only a few regular Korean members, and while they are great and would be able to run such a program, does every chapter have such availability and would making them a national issue risk alienating Korean members in chapters where such a program is not available? 08:56:21  dhuffer ->  I don't think we need Korean presentations at every conference.  A SIG would be a good start for Koreans to communicate and be involved 08:56:35  MattinDaegu ->  fair enough 08:57:53  dhuffer ->  why don't we use interns? 08:58:02  MattinDaegu ->  grad students 08:58:28  dhuffer ->  yes, or even compsci undergrads.  resume foder for them 08:59:10  MattinDaegu ->  so that would be an HR issue 08:59:39  dhuffer ->  BT - will the new site look a little more contemporary? 09:00:31  MattinDaegu ->  I'm sure that it would be quite easy to find a grad student willing to pad their CV with a volunteer position 09:00:41  MattinDaegu ->  and a highly competent one at that 09:00:49  dhuffer ->  no class tomorrow :D 09:01:46  dhuffer ->  and with an English speaking org.  that's a good ref for someone 09:01:52  MattinDaegu ->  exactly 09:03:39  dhuffer ->  what budget?? 09:03:43  MattinDaegu ->  national 09:03:51  dhuffer ->  of course 09:03:55  MattinDaegu ->  lol 09:04:02  MattinDaegu ->  uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 09:04:05  MattinDaegu ->  what??? 09:04:11  MattinDaegu ->  why NOT!?!? 09:04:23  dhuffer ->  so everyone has to ask Deborah individually? 09:04:32  dhuffer ->  thank you sara 09:04:37  MattinDaegu ->  indeed!! 09:05:05  MattinDaegu ->  don't overload Deborah, put it up!!! 09:05:37  jl ->  this is aaron 09:06:31  Stoakley ->  we see email 09:07:14  Stoakley ->  recalled 09:07:36  Stoakley ->  hear hear 09:07:52  MattinDaegu ->  it's been fantastically useful! 09:09:05  Stoakley ->  And vote for me! 09:09:17  Stoakley ->  oh, wait....i ain't runnin' 09:10:00  dhuffer ->  we'll write you in 09:12:48  Stoakley ->  Thanks, gents, for hosting this! 09:12:52  Stoakley ->  !shoosh 09:12:57  dhuffer ->  cheers! 09:13:13  Stoakley ->  und, go Drupal! 09:13:36  dhuffer ->  COBOL!!

Download Audio Discussions with 2010 KOTESOL National Candidates October 3, 2010 Candidates for KOTESOL National Council (in order of appearance) 00:20  Stafford Lumsden, Conference Co-chair 17:40  Doug Huffer,  Nominations & Elections Chair 37:00 Aaron Jolly, 2nd Vice President 55:45 Peadar Callaghan, 1st Vice President Online Voting October 4~14 Onsite Voting at the International Conference Oct. 16~17 More informatin about elections & candidates at: http://kotesol.org/?q=elections Post-show Roundtable Discussion Here Chat Log 06:51:43  craignl ->  Good evening 07:05:32  craignl ->  Good evening Peadar 07:05:46  peadar ->  evening 07:15:15  peadar ->  hi room 07:16:54  craignl ->  Evening all 07:17:23  peadar ->  I believe if anyone has questions please speak up 07:20:02  saradavila ->  Question for Conference Chair and Co-Chair: This year conference acceptence/rejection process was handled in a manner I felt was very unprofessional. I'd like to know how the conference will address this issue in the future to make the process more personal, and show more respect for all canidates submitting papers for the call. 07:21:56  Jeff ->  http://shomuni.blogspot.com/ 07:24:32  chosunbimbo ->  @Sara I think you have to take into consideration there were in excess of 300 proposals received by the program team - While they were form letters that people received they were professional and in line with any other rejection or acceptance letter you might have received from any other organisation 07:25:55  chosunbimbo ->  This will be the first year in A LONG TIME there have been contests for various positions 07:26:05  chosunbimbo ->  Am I the only one here? 07:26:06  chosunbimbo ->  Hello 07:26:12  chosunbimbo ->  Is this thing on? 07:26:21  peadar ->  its here 07:26:22  chosunbimbo ->  *tap* *tap* 07:27:07  peadar ->  I can however say having recieved one of those letters it was not inline with what was sent to me last year 07:27:20  chosunbimbo ->  rejection letter? 07:27:36  peadar ->  was rejected last year and accepted this year 07:30:08  chosunbimbo ->  interesting - I got one - but being on concomm I knew the same day that the mail went out and paid it little attention - what did it say 07:31:08  peadar ->  it required you to download and check a full list of accepted proposals to see if you had ben accepted or rejected 07:31:52  craignl ->  I find Paedar's comment on rejection/acceptance from year to year interesting. As someone who participated in the vetting process, I was somewhat concerned that there were no clear guidelines for vetting proposals. Having been part of Conference planning teams, both international, that's one area the Conference Committee might consider for improvment (sorry that I'm veering a bit off topic). 07:32:52  craignl ->  Sorry, the last sentence should read '...both international and national' 07:33:06  peadar ->  its a great point I just worry that the way the notifications were handeld this year might discourage presenters in the future 07:33:49  saradavila ->  I've been a presenter at the international for about five years. The acceptance/rejection process this year was much different form last year. 07:34:05  saradavila ->  This year to find out if you were accepted or rejected you had to read a list of accepted proposals. 07:34:18  saradavila ->  Last year a form letter was sent to presenters who had been accepted. 07:34:37  saradavila ->  A seperate letter to presenters who had been rejected, thanking them for time and encouraging them to resubmit. 07:34:48  craignl ->  Yes, usually when I have made proposals to other international conferences I have usually gotten a message courteously but clearly saying 'Yes' or 'No' 07:35:35  chosunbimbo ->  Ah I see - I didn't realise it was just one email to everyone who submitted a paper... 07:35:59  saradavila ->  When I received the letter and was asked to see if I was on the list of accepted proposals, I have to say, I was insulted. Going through that list I didn't even see my name the first time as I was so upset. There is impersonal and then there is just unprofessional. I'm sorry, the way it was handled this year was unprofessional. 07:36:40  MattinDaegu ->  is there any particular reason why they changed the process? 07:37:13  saradavila ->  For submitters who were putting in proposals for the first time, I can't imagine the let down for those that were accepted. I mean, really, just a moment to get that letter, even a form letter, that says "Congradulations, your paper made it" is an achievement. I remember the first one I got, I still have it. 07:37:44  craignl ->  I wonder if the pressure of time caused a certain 'cutting of corners' - not to excuse what happened, but to explain 07:38:11  saradavila ->  Those presenters who were accepted for the first time this year lost out on that experience, and I for one, am rather offended that an organization and large as KOTESOL, with a conference fielding as many proposals as we have, would use this particular method. 07:38:43  saradavila ->  Being an experience EXCEL user it would take four minutes to set up two seperate lists for accepted and rejected proposals. 07:38:53  saradavila ->  experienced 07:40:07  craignl ->  This may lead on to a larger issue - for an international conference like ours, I've begun to think having a daedline for proposals being as close to the Conference date as it is, especially when compared to other conferences, is not a good thing. Anyone else with thoughts on this? 07:40:28  saradavila ->  As I recall the deadline was May 31st for proposals. 07:40:40  craignl ->  I believe it was extended 07:41:02  chosunbimbo ->  5 months - is not all that short.... 07:41:03  saradavila ->  Further, if there are no clear guidelines in the vetting process I have to wonder about whether or not new presenters are truly being considered as presentations. 07:41:28  MattinDaegu ->  for an international conference, particularly for presenters from outside of Korea, I would say they need a little more time to make plans, books tickets etc. 07:41:49  saradavila ->  I've also been rather unhappy with the scheduling process. At the moment my presentation is scheduled in clear conflict with the available times I submitted to present. I am not the only presenter who has expereinced this problem. 07:42:00  chosunbimbo ->  I'm interested in what you say Craig - my understanding (not my dept) as that there was a much more thorough vetting process this year 07:42:05  saradavila ->  @Jeff, EPIK show, absolutely. 07:42:56  peadar ->  does anyone have any opinions on the proposed then unproposed changes to the constitution 07:43:04  MattinDaegu ->  is the vetting process codified in the bylaws? 07:43:05  chosunbimbo ->  Yes many 07:43:11  saradavila ->  If we are recieving so many proposals I am curious about the need to extend? 07:43:19  Jeff ->  http://www.koreabridge.com/kotesol/busan04/ 07:43:29  chosunbimbo ->  We won't hold he fact that he's Australian against Aaron 07:43:38  peadar ->  @ chosun please raise the issues 07:43:45  saradavila ->  Considering the push during last years election for communication I find the lack of presentaiton to all members of proposed changes telling. 07:43:55  peadar ->  its a good place to discuss them 07:44:33  chosunbimbo ->  See now, where was this lack of communication? I got the draft, read the changes, and am happy to cast my vote having made up my mind... 07:45:21  chosunbimbo ->  Yay! More Chapterr Conferences! i want to go to Jeju! 07:46:57  peadar ->  @chosun I know of two seperate drafts of the changes that were sent out 07:47:06  chosunbimbo ->  On the tabling of the amendments - it now means that the new term of National Council will start with some members not being able to vote - i.e. the o-Chair, who, because of precedent usually has a voting seat on Council, but whose vote is not set in stone as it were in the constitution 07:47:08  saradavila ->  I have not received a draft. 07:47:18  craignl ->  @chosun - The 'lack of communication' refers to the proposed changes to the Constitution and Bylaws? 07:47:33  chosunbimbo ->  Web presence - Hell Yes 07:48:32  MattinDaegu ->  just reading the charter...it states that the proposed changes must be sent out to all members at least 30 days prior to the vote...I never got a copy, Sara hasn't... 07:48:48  MattinDaegu ->  I'm sure we're not the only ones 07:48:55  craignl ->  Sorry I was just checking some things - well, the fact is that two versions of the proposed changes, unalike, went around to the membership. Members were not in possession of the same set of proposed changes 07:49:00  dhuffer ->  Vote is not occuring right now.  07:49:06  chosunbimbo ->  OK some people didn't get it, I'm not saying there is an element of malfesence, but it leaves council in a position where a) status quo remains (and i believe one "bloq on council wants this) and b) the same bloq is threatened by another bloq who might vote against them because they doin't have the numbers 07:49:22  chosunbimbo ->  That and some general ineptitude in getting the info out to everyone 07:49:26  craignl ->  True, and a good decision was made to delay the vote on this. 07:50:37  chosunbimbo ->  Yay! More kotesol Journal! 07:50:39  peadar ->  why is it a good decision to not manage to propose something that has been worked on for 8 months 07:51:02  chosunbimbo ->  indeed - By Laws can be voted for at the ABM on Sunday 07:51:09  peadar ->  do to "some general ineptitude" 07:51:17  chosunbimbo ->  As can the change in the constitution according to one reading of the rules 07:52:08  craignl ->  I'm sorry - what reading is that? 07:52:14  MattinDaegu ->  will they be listing what said proposed changes are in full at the conference? 07:52:36  dhuffer ->  I think they're still discussing the changes 07:53:08  MattinDaegu ->  will they be taking the opportunity presented by the international conference to discuss the changes with regular members? 07:53:08  peadar ->  call sig 07:54:07  dhuffer ->  I was told they'd be taken up at the next national council meeting - I think that's the leadership retreat in Dec or Jan 07:54:46  peadar ->  sadly this will not have a membership voting opportunity 07:55:21  saradavila ->  As for the KTT it would be great to see a bit more compesntation for preparation and travel. 07:55:31  MattinDaegu ->  but there is a great opportunity to at least show what the proposed changes are at this conference...why won't they be taking advantage of it...even to just have them on display... 07:56:22  craignl ->  Well, if the changes are properly hammered out at the next Council, they will have to be properly sent out, 30 days for perusal/debate, and then an electronic ballot can be taken 07:56:40  saradavila ->  Waves! 07:56:44  saradavila ->  It's that Sara. 07:57:24  saradavila ->  As to the journal it would nice to see grants reinstated to encourage research. 07:57:38  peadar ->  or publicity about it 07:57:58  MattinDaegu ->  ok, but my point is, why aren't regular members being consulted, even in a broad sense, at an international forum which would be a perfect opportunity...and the issue raised by Chosun about bloqs could be made clear to the general members who would then be better able to choose appropriate leadership 07:58:33  chosunbimbo ->  @Matt - come to the ABM on Sunday and ask The National Council - They'll be there. 07:58:53  MattinDaegu ->  I'm already planning on it! 07:58:57  dhuffer ->  I agree 07:59:22  dhuffer ->  But I don't think they have proposals close enough to discuss. 07:59:37  chosunbimbo ->  @Matt - I think we're all aware of the bloqs aren't we...? 08:00:12  chosunbimbo ->  3...2...1... 08:00:41  MattinDaegu ->  no, I've never been to the national conference before...as a poli-sci major, they'll probably become evident quickly enough but the point being I think not every member will be so aware, and they need the opportunity to observe their leadership 08:00:51  saradavila ->  Finally video....Wee... 08:00:57  dhuffer ->  echo 08:01:19  chosunbimbo ->  Sorry - no video from me...winnie the pooh jimjams not so flattering 08:02:05  MattinDaegu ->  is everyone using video? 08:02:10  saradavila ->  Winnie makes everything flattering. 08:02:17  dhuffer ->  just Peader 08:02:20  chosunbimbo ->  @Sara heeheehee 08:03:09  saradavila ->  Will there be no discussion of by law issues at the National Conference, or is this the Saturday of the National Conference? 08:03:34  chosunbimbo ->  The Annual Business meeting will be the opportunity to bring it up Sunday 4pm 08:03:45  chosunbimbo ->  Floor is open to all members 08:03:56  MattinDaegu ->  that's irritating...I have to work in Daegu on Sunday...can't be there 08:04:05  dhuffer ->  You can bring it up, but they'll probably sandbag 08:04:30  saradavila ->  Communication has definately been an issue this year. 08:04:43  chosunbimbo ->  Well i am one of about 4 people I know who have yet to receive a reply from Bob Caprilis after i wrote him this week on the subject 08:04:58  saradavila ->  There have been a number of meetings and events this year that have not been well announced to the general members. 08:05:01  chosunbimbo ->  Other things - no council minutes being distributed 08:05:09  dhuffer ->  he sent out mass email.  I think that was your reply 08:05:11  chosunbimbo ->  who knows what they're up to.... 08:05:15  chosunbimbo ->  heeheehee 08:05:24  dhuffer ->  and where's the budget been? 08:05:31  MattinDaegu ->  world domination by the cunning use of bylaws 08:05:37  saradavila ->  Is the budget out yet? Are we still running without a budget? 08:05:46  chosunbimbo ->  see Matt - you do know the bloqs 08:05:49  MattinDaegu ->  lol 08:06:06  dhuffer ->  I saw one on FB Concerned Members group.  But nothing official from KOTESOL 08:06:08  saradavila ->  Suncheon Outreach Workshop, represent! 08:06:15  saradavila ->  Great group of teachers yesterday! 08:06:52  saradavila ->  I was there as a KTT invited speaker, good time. 08:08:02  MattinDaegu ->  IX. Amendments. The Bylaws may be amended by a majority vote of members provided that notice of the proposed change has been given to all members at least thirty days before the vote. The Bylaws may be amended without such prior notice only at the Annual Business Meeting, and in that case the proposal shall require approval by three-fourths of the members present. 08:08:25  chosunbimbo ->  @matt - indeed 08:08:27  MattinDaegu ->  this seems to imply that there MUST be a vote on the bylaws, or any proposals 08:08:52  craignl ->  Which version, though? Two versions went out 08:09:08  MattinDaegu ->  and if they don't have a quarum, the vote would, according to Robert's Rules of Order, it would not be a valid vote...this is the one currently up on the KOTESOL website 08:09:11  chosunbimbo ->  The problem being - soemone would have to put in the time and develop changes, distribute and talk about them at the meeting and then propose a vote without the motion being voted down 08:09:47  chosunbimbo ->  or being called out of order as you note 08:10:21  chosunbimbo ->  I also have a big issue with the "rules" and their interpretation being vested in ine person 08:10:30  chosunbimbo ->  *one person* 08:10:49  MattinDaegu ->  so basically, any vote made there could be argued as invalid as there's unlikely to be a valid quorum 08:11:07  chosunbimbo ->  what is required for a quarum? 08:11:12  chosunbimbo ->  20? 08:11:18  chosunbimbo ->  plus natcon? 08:12:22  chosunbimbo ->  there should be a quarum at the ABM - there are enough interested general members this year who have expressed their interest in attending 08:12:28  MattinDaegu ->  it isn't listed in the bylaws...natcon is what I'm assuming it's talking about, which is generally accepted as 2/3 of registered members...now the bylaws state 3/4 majority of members PRESENT, but it could be argued that this would still be invalid as it could be used in a very sneaky way 08:13:01  MattinDaegu ->  that's assuming that everyone would be there and available to vote 08:13:02  chosunbimbo ->  right - which is why ONE person is not enough to turn to for an interpretaion of the rules 08:14:01  chosunbimbo ->  i play starcraft 08:14:10  MattinDaegu ->  lol 08:14:26  MattinDaegu ->  I have SouthPark on in the background 08:15:32  dhuffer ->  there won't be a quorum at the ABM 08:16:16  MattinDaegu ->  so when will they make proposals open for discussion/debate to general members? 08:17:21  saradavila ->  The ABM should be on sunday the 17th and it is usually pretty well attended. 08:17:25  saradavila ->  That was my understanding. 08:17:47  dhuffer ->  good question.  I don't think the current council intends for member discussion.  it'll be straight vote 08:17:52  chosunbimbo ->  changes have been tabled and will be looked at again by natcon - the new one - who knows how long that will take, sent out to members and then add 30 dys before a vote 08:18:04  MattinDaegu ->  ah...I might be giving you some questions to ask, if you don't mind as I can't been there... 08:18:22  chosunbimbo ->  can't be changed by council - has to be all members 08:18:43  dhuffer ->  Constitution doesn't define quorum, so by default it should be 1/2 of members 08:19:04  dhuffer ->  I think last year about 400 voters 08:19:17  chosunbimbo ->  who saw my brochure? Who saw my brochure? 08:19:25  MattinDaegu ->  hmmmm...might be something to bring up with the council...that a quorum defined in the bylaws 08:20:15  dhuffer ->  BT!

Kotesol Discussion w/ Rob Dickey & Brad Serl May 12, 2010 May 15 Events * National Conference in Daegu * Busan Monthly Meeting - Drama in the Classroom

Discussion with Greg  Dolezal, president of ATEK. Topics covered include: Recent internal strife, new bilaws,  advocacy attempts, anti-EnglsihSpectrum episode ,letter to the prime minister,building bridges with Kotesol, and other updates.