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CHRIS NEWBOLD: Hello, well-being friends. And welcome to The Path to Well-Being in law podcast, an initiative of the Institute for Well-Being in Law. I'm your co-host Chris Newbold, executive vice-president of ALPS Malpractice Insurance. And again, you all know now that what we are really excited about in this podcast is to introduce you to thought leaders doing meaningful work in the well-being space.                 And we know that in the process that this army of well-being advocates is growing, and our goal is also to build and nurture a national network of well-being advocates intent on creating a culture shift within the profession. And I'm really excited for today's podcast because so much of what the future of our profession ultimately starts with how we're training the next generation of law students. And so we're on the cusp here of starting a three-part kind of mini series and really focusing in on well-being and law schools.                 And we are super excited to be welcoming I think one of really the kind of showcased law schools in the country when we think about kind of focusing on well-being as part of the culture within the law school environment. We are excited to welcome Linda Sugin to the podcast. And Bree, would you introduce Linda for us? BREE BUCHANAN: Absolutely. And hello everybody. Professor Sugin, and we're just going to call you Linda really is you can see, and we have not met before, but looking at your just history, it's clear that you have so much passion for the well-being of the students and that your bio, you've been a part of the Fordham Law faculty since 1994 and moved into the associate dean for academic affairs in 2017. And it seems like that you just sort of took the school by storm in a way and putting in amazingly new, innovative programs to address what I imagine you were seeing, which was at least a lot of dis ease among the student population there.                 And so it's just really clear that you saw that problem and you got to work. Professor Sugin's scholarly interests focus on issues of distributive justice in taxation and the governance of nonprofit organizations. She was the 2021 recipient of the dean's medal of achievement, well-deserved, and the 2007 recipient of Fordham Law School's Teacher of the Year Award. So Linda, thank you so much for being here today.                 I'm not going to go through the details of your bio because we're going to kind of pull that out as we go through this podcast today. But I want to start off with the question that we always begin with. I think it's one of the most interesting pieces that we get from our guests, which is to hear about what brought you to what is now a movement, the well-being in law of movement. And we found that typically people have some passion or experience in their life that drives their work. So tell us what brought you to this work and welcome to our podcast. LINDA SUGIN: Thank you so much. And thank you for that kind introduction. And thank you, Bree and Chris for inviting me to this podcast today. So I have to admit that I actually came to this pretty late in my career, that I spent more than 20 years as a law professor without really being focused or aware of this at all. In my career as a professor, I've always loved my students and I've tried to nurture them as best as I can, but I never really questioned the basic way that law school is structured and the way that students traditionally learn in law school environments.                 But when I became the associate dean in 2017, the first thing I did was convene a student advisory board to hear what students wanted and needed most from the law school. And I was kind of surprised that what I heard was a lot of frustration, a lot of disappointment, a lot of shame, and a lot of anger. And I really saw how much pain so many students were feeling because of what was happening within the law school, with their classmates, with their teachers.                 And so it was really that experience that led me to committing myself to improving the student experience by trying to better understand the emotional reality of students. I realized that we could never succeed with our academic mission if we continue to ignore the emotional toll that law school was taking on so many students. And so that's what really brought me to it. BREE: Wow. I love those words. Just when you talked about the power of those emotions that you were hearing about the shame and anger just those are powerful things. And I also was really impressed when you were talking about the emotional reality of students, and I'll tell you to hear what I would think a stereotypical tax professor, my experience with tax professors to talk about the emotional reality of their students and focusing on that, that's just amazing so I can see why you're so good at what you do. CHRIS: Linda, it sounds like your student advisory group, I'm guessing that your impressions surprised you a bit from that early group discussion. LINDA: They did, they did because I had never really taken such a broad view of what was going on in the law school, that I had my own classes, that I had sort of total control over. But I really wasn't aware of a lot of the dynamic that was happening throughout the law school both in and out of the classroom. And I think that that's what's really important, is to understand that law school is a really immersive experience for students and the culture of law school is very challenging for many students coming in. CHRIS: Well, let's set the stage a little bit. Can you just give us some context for Fordham Law School, right? Location, size, focus, types of students, kind of what the existing culture was maybe before you kind of more kind of deliberately started to focus on it. We'd just kind of love to set the stage on kind of learning a little bit more about the law school itself. LINDA: Okay, great. Yeah. So Fordham Law School actually is a really great place and always has been a great place. It's a Jesuit school, and we have a tradition of public service that really stems from that. And Fordham has historically welcomed students from groups that are traditionally underrepresented in the legal profession. So the first black woman to practice law in New York state was a 1924 graduate of Fordham Law School. And so we go way back in our institutional commitment to inclusion, community and holistic learning.                 But at the same time, we are one of the largest law schools in the country within the top 10 and we have over 400 students who come in every year. The good part of that is it makes a very vibrant academic life. There's tons going on all the time. But it also presents a challenge for creating connection. It's very easy for students to feel invisible in that crowd and so it's really important to find smaller communities within the law school where people really find what they're passionate about and where they can really excel.                 We are also smack in the middle of New York city. Our students come from all over the country and all over the world actually, but most of them want to stay and work in New York when they graduate. We are right next door to Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts, down the block from the Time Warner Center, which is all fantastic, but we don't have much housing for students on campus. And so many of our students commute from a long distance because our neighborhood is very expensive.                 And actually over the 25 years that I've been at Fordham Law School, the neighborhood has become increasingly expensive. And that physical distance and being in the middle of the city with all of the excitement and stimulation of the city makes community building even more challenging. And so there are many wonderful things about Fordham Law School, but also challenges connected to the kind of issues that we're focusing on today. BREE: So Linda, tell me, I was looking at your bio and the work that you've done there at Fordham, and it looks like a real area of focus that you've been developing is around the professionalism for students. And I want to ask you what were you seeing among the students? I know that you had the focus group, but what are some of the areas that you're trying to address when you're focusing on students' professionalism and what does that mean? We've got that word there and it's easy to assign a meeting, but what do you mean when you talk about professionalism for your students? LINDA: Yes. Thank you for asking that question because I do think that people have different ideas of what professionalism is. I see professionalism as really a very broad category of all the different kinds of capabilities that individuals need to succeed in the legal profession. So mental health and wellness is certainly one important part of it, but I focused on other aspects under that umbrella as well. And I think they're all connected to each other.                 One of the things that I was seeing when I started thinking about doing this kind of work was that depending on where students worked before coming to law school or other experiences that they had in their backgrounds, some students didn't know the expectations that other people might have for lawyers, people like judges, for example. And so we developed some programming around that, what the expectation is going to be, and I call that the integrity programming, right?                 Nothing is more important for lawyers than integrity. But I felt like some students had a more developed understanding and some students just needed more education in what that meant as lawyers. And then in addition, there are lots of professional skills that are not really part of what we think of as the traditional professional skills curriculum that we have in law schools. So every law school has a curriculum that includes interviewing, counseling, negotiation.                 But the skills that I really have focused on are little mushier, skills like effective listening, empathy, self-awareness, giving and getting feedback, growth mindset, understanding cognitive biases. I'm really committed to lawyering as a service profession, a helping profession and that drives a lot of this for me. We need to orient ourselves so that we can really be a helping profession. I sometimes think about former students that I've had and one who comes to mind is I once had a truly brilliant student who would critique his classmates' arguments in the most devastating way. And I tried to teach him how to have a more productive disagreement.                 So I think that it's really important that lawyers recognize the humanity in every person and learn how to advocate, defend and disagree with respect and compassion. And I feel like that's a huge piece of professional education as well. In our polarized times, this is really hard for people to do. BREE: Right. LINDA: But I think that it's a really important part of the project because it's essential, I think for what lawyers really care about, which is justice. CHRIS: That's awesome because, I mean, it feels like we hear a lot about emotional intelligence, right? And it feels like in some respects, you're focusing, again, some of your efforts intentionally on the emotional readiness of lawyers as they enter the profession, which again, I'm not certain a lot of peer institutions in the law schools, they may talk about it, but it seems like you're going at it with some notion of intentionality. LINDA: Yeah. And so we don't think that our students will know everything about the law when they get out, but the idea is that we give them the tools so they can learn what they need to learn when they get out into the real world. And I feel like these are crucial tools to enable them to navigate all the spaces that they're going to be in after they graduate. CHRIS: What a worthy investment. And then it feels like there's a couple of other foundational building blocks in your program, namely the peer mentorship program and the house program. Can you describe those programs and how they work and what they're designed to do for students? LINDA: Yeah. So those are our two biggest initiatives that come under this professionalism umbrella and the key design feature of both of these programs is institutional infrastructure. The students being served are at the center, but there is a whole web of support that we've built around them. And that support includes faculty, it includes administrators, it also includes other students. A really big and important part of our professionals in programming is leadership development.                 And we have been thoughtful about where we use leadership and where we use professionalism because they're related but I don't think that they're entirely the same. So it's key in these programs that we support the students who participate in these programs as the leadership. So the house system we developed primarily for the first year students and it's organized by sections. So law school is still the same as it was when I went where all first year students, or at least at Fordham it is, all first-year students have all their classes with the same cohort, and so we call that cohort a house.                 But what we did within that structure is three things. So the first thing is that we used the house to connect students with faculty and administrators. So there's a faculty house leader who runs programs and the students can turn to with problems and questions. Usually that's a person who's not one of their teachers and the idea is that this is sort of a neutral faculty member who understands the institution, understands where these students are going and what their needs might be.                 In addition, there are librarians, student affairs counselors, career planning counselors, and other people assigned to each house so that students know people in all the administrative offices that they're going to need to work with. And we think that this really eases the entree to looking for a job, getting academic support when you need it. In addition, there are alumni mentors, mostly recent graduates for each house.                 So the house is really designed to create connections for students with people in all these different ways who will be essential to their development as lawyers. The second thing the house does is it's the place where we do a lot of programming around professionalism. So programs on choosing career paths and thinking about co-curricular activities, mental health, equity and inclusion. We have specific programs on a lot of different things.                 Some of them are more formal, some of them are more casual, but the idea is that the students get together for house meeting every week. There is a real curriculum and so it deserves to be treated as part of the academic program. And that has been great in many ways because there were so many random programs that students had to or should take part in and this was a way to organize it and to really rationalize the curriculum as a whole.                 And the third thing is that house is social. It gives students an opportunity to interact with each other in a context other than class. So this was a little hard in the pandemic, but we did the best we could, we hope it'll grow more when we're back in person. But the idea being that there are house parties, there are inter-house competitions, pro bono projects that the houses do, really giving students a way to interact with each other that's outside of the strict confines of their classes in which students seem so one-dimensional to each other.                 And so we think that the community of students that we create the first year is really key to the continued success of students throughout their law school career. The peer mentorship program is really my passion project. It grew directly out of the student advisory board that I mentioned and it's designed for second year students.                 And what I learned in talking to students was that we kind of had been ignoring students starting their second year, but that that's a point of tremendous vulnerability for a lot of students, that the first year we decide everything for them, they don't get to choose any of their classes, it's the rigid schedule and then they have their first summer, some students will be disappointed with their first year grades, some will have had failed job searches, most students will not have made law view.                 And so the beginning of the second year, it turns out, is a really tough time for a lot of students. And after taking care of all decisions for them in the first year, at the beginning of the second year we're like, "Okay, go. Now, do what you want." And so that is an easy moment for students to feel overwhelmed, to feel isolated. But really the law school never recognized how precarious students can be at the start of their second year.                 And so what we did in the peer mentorship program is that we created a system where there would be third year mentors for second year mentees. And the key aspect of the program is that all mentors must take a class that focuses on mentoring skills. There are three of us who teach the program. So the director of professionalism who we hired in 2019 teaches with me as does an additional adjunct who is a 2018 graduate of the law school.                 But the idea is that the teachers support the mentors who support the mentees. And of course, the skills that we teach in the class are skills that are not only useful for being a good mentor, they are useful for being effective lawyers and good professionals after graduation as well. So the program is voluntary for both the second and the third years, but it has grown exponentially since it started in 2018. And I hope that eventually all students will choose to participate because I think it can be a really enriching experience no matter what the students' experiences are. BREE: Wonderful. Linda, when I was thinking about a common theme for both of those programs, and it looks like a lot of your work is to help create connection, which is so vital to a sense of well-being and to break through the sense of isolation. There's a research that came out in the last year or so that showed that lawyers are the loneliest of all professionals. And I think a lot of that can start in law school with the inherent sense of being in competition with everyone that you're there with. I wanted to ask you also going back to the very beginning of the law school experience, and you've done a lot around the orientation process. Could you talk to us about what changes you ushered in for the August orientation for everyone and what issues you were trying to address? LINDA: Yeah, sure. So I'm a tax professor and some years ago I spearheaded a project to teach students some basic quantitative skills that lawyers need. Of course, people come to law school because they never want to do anything quantitative again. But of course, when you become a lawyer, you realize that you actually need to have some quantitative skills. So we put it in orientation because we saw that as part of a toolbox really for students beginning their law school journey.                 You have to learn how to brief a case and you have to have some other basic tools also. So when I became associate dean, it occurred to me that we should do the same thing for professional tools, that we should make sure that students have what they need so that they can better succeed in law school and as lawyers. And so we added a module to orientation that focuses on personal values and developing a professional identity. From day one, we want students to think about how they can be lawyers while also being their authentic best selves.                 In their first days of law school, we talk about implicit bias and anti-racism, growth mindset, vulnerability and empathy, and character strengths. The idea being you came here for a reason and we want you to remember what that reason was and be the kind of lawyer that you want to be. And so we sort of start that message in orientation, all the things you do in orientation, you have to keep doing it again. And of course, it's worth revisiting so many of the things that we do in orientation later on. But our ongoing development of the professionalism curriculum is about building competencies throughout these areas.                 In addition, one of the big things that we did with orientation is that we added an orientation in the middle of the first year in January. So before the students come back for their second semester, they spend a day, this coming year we'll make it a two day program but the idea was that there were some things that we couldn't do in August because the students hadn't yet built the trust that they would need to have certain kinds of conversations. So we wanted to do a deeper dive into anti-racism and engage students in more sensitive conversations.                 And it seemed that students would be better prepared to do that after a semester and it would really be too early to do that in August. And so we made that a full day program in January all about equity and inclusion. And last year, we were able to hire a director of diversity who has been fantastic designing and leading this program. Next year, we're planning to build out the January orientation into a two day program so that students can also reflect on their strengths, values and commitments as they start on their second semester and really dig deep into growth mindset, which is so important to their continued success in law school. BREE: Wow. That's profound. I really am particularly impressed listing to adding in that January orientation and being really thoughtful about where do we place basically this curriculum for our students. And that is just fabulous. Linda, we're going to take a break to hear from our sponsor right now and then when we get back, we're going to get to hear more about what you're working on. So thank you, and we'll be right back. Welcome back everybody. And we have with us today, Professor Linda Sugin, the associate dean for academic affairs at Fordham Law School.                 And Linda, we were just talking about the orientation programs and all of these ideas of really around helping students feel connected and breaking through some of the isolation. Could you just talk generally about these programs we just discussed? How do you see them helping the students maintain, I guess, their mental health and the best place to be able to learn as students and benefit from their law school experience? LINDA: Yes. Thank you. So what we have seen in looking at the success of our students after they graduate is that connection in law school is the most important indicator of success. And so we were very, very purposeful in trying to figure out ways that could find their home, their connections within the law school. And a lot of students do it organically. The students who are on a competition team or on a journal, they often find their smaller cohort that really supports them but there are always some students who fall through those cracks.                 And so those are the students that we are trying to help find connection. And so let me focus a little bit more on the peer mentorship program because that's one of the biggest initiatives that we have. I mentioned it before, but I'll tell you a little bit more about how it's organized. So we have it so that all students are part of a group with more than one mentor. Last year, we had a lot of mentees so most groups had two or three mentors and five or six mentees. And so that gives you a little community within the law school that you can work out any way that it works for you.                 And some of the groups really click as a whole, and that's like a little team there of seven or eight students. Some of the groups end up pairing off in various ways and individuals find connections between mentors and mentees on different issues or for different reasons. And it's all good, we feel like it really works out. I'm going to stick my neck out here a little bit and say I think all students feel isolation, self-doubt and fear, even the strongest students feel those things.                 And it really breaks my heart that so many of them think that they're the only ones having these feelings because that's what they think. And if they could just be a little bit more vulnerable with each other, they would find so much shared experience and mutual reassurance. So having a person or a group to share your insecurities with is really important. The peer mentors are only one year ahead of the mentees.                 So they have just a little bit of knowledge that the mentees don't have, but they are really in the same place as the mentees in so many ways. So lots of the mentors are still looking for jobs, they're questioning whether they want to be lawyers, they're still struggling to finish their homework on time, right? So they're feeling a lot of the same feelings and they can really understand what the second year mentees are going through.                 There's just enough distance there and enough closeness that they can really provide crucial support that I think nobody else can. The faculty can't do that, their families who don't understand what's happening in law school can't really do that. And so that was really why the program was designed. But my greatest surprise pleasure of the peer mentorship program has been seeing the mentors grow. So because they take this class with me, I watch them and I can see how they grow in confidence and well-being over the course of the semester.                 The course that the peer mentors take focuses on skills like teamwork, cross-cultural communication, cultivating growth mindset, right? All the topics that we cover are important to professional success. And the mentors keep journals every week that I read. And what I see is that so many of them get so much gratification from the mentoring work. Helping others, as we know from lots of research, is good for our own mental health. And so the program has been really helpful for both the mentees and the mentors. I guess I just want to mention the one other big leadership program that we have, we call it the professionalism fellows program and it's connected to the house system.                 We just finished the first year of the program and it was a great success in ways that I hadn't really anticipated. Because at the beginning, the fellows started out somewhat timidly, but by the end, the most striking thing I noticed was that the fellows have really developed into partners with the administration in problem solving and program development. And so there was tremendous growth in both the peer mentors and in the professionalism fellows over the time of working with them. And so I think that this is really key to maintaining their mental health as well as setting them up to be successful lawyers. CHRIS: Linda, as I mentioned at the top, this podcast kicks off a three-part mini series on the connection between well-being and law schools. I'm hoping that we can pivot a little bit right now and kind of talk a little bit about again, best practices and what are... I think we really would enjoy packaging this up and making sure that we can get this into the hands as to as many law school leaders as possible.                 So to that end, what suggestions do you have for others who may be interested in developing similar programs? Again, it seems like you've been very progressive, thoughtful and intentional about what you're trying to do with your student body. So what worked, what would you do differently, what advice would you offer others listening in? LINDA: Okay. Yeah, great. So I guess that there were two things that I would advise other schools. So the first one is student leadership. I'm really a huge fan of student leadership. I really believe in the peer mentorship model for all the reasons I was just describing. But you need to be prepared to provide a lot of institutional support. You can't expect student leaders to feel confident without backing them up with training and encouragement.                 I agreed to take on this work in the first place on the condition that we hire someone who would report directly to me and work on these issues full time. And I had the great fortune to be blessed with the most talented and committed person for the job and Jordana Confino has been an amazing partner to me in this work since 2019. So get students involved, give them... empower them to really do important things, but make sure that you're backing them up, supporting them and helping them at every step of the way.                 And then I guess the second thing, and this sort of goes to, we've made a lot of mistakes too as well as our successes, I just don't like to talk about them as much, but I would suggest that people turn to experts if they can. We were lucky at Fordham to get some philanthropic gifts to support our diversity equity and inclusion programming. And it allowed us to hire people with experience and training doing the kind of work that we wanted to do. So I feel like once we did that, it really, really helped a lot of the programming that we have been trying to do without that support which was not going as well and was really challenging.                 So now after three years, I guess I can say I have a lot of expertise in creating a peer mentorship program, but at the beginning it would have been really helpful to have worked with a consultant and I may have made fewer mistakes if I had been able to turn to more expert support. Of course, that takes money. And I hope that one of the things like this podcast will do is really convince the community that it's worth it to invest in these kinds of programs, that they're really meaningful for the students who benefit for them and they can really be transformational for the student experience.                 And that I hope that we can really make them a fundamental part of what law school is. rather than something that's just icing on the cake that we do if we can get some outside support for it. So that's kind of my next challenge, is to try to really bring these kinds of programs into the core of what legal education is. BREE: And I've spent some time as a clinical professor at a law school and my experience in sort of looking around there, that who holds the most power in the law school and who in some ways are the gatekeepers are trying to put on a new program such as this, and that's my experience was the tenured faculty, that block of individuals and the law school administration, particularly the office of the dean. How did you get those two groups on board with these initiatives? LINDA: Well, I was really lucky that the dean was basically on board all along. We had done a strategic plan shortly before I became associate dean and the strategic plan had some sort of general intention to improve the student experience. And so I felt like that gave me the go ahead to sort of figure out what the content of that would be. And so I've had tremendous support from the dean from the beginning, and he's really done a lot of fundraising around this work, which has been tremendous.                 The faculty is always more varied and you get a lot of different views on the faculty. I would say that there were a core group of faculty members who were very enthusiastic, particularly about the house system and they have worked incredibly hard from the beginning to collaborate with the administration to turn the house system idea into reality. And I think that some of it is that other faculty who maybe were a little bit more skeptical were kind of waiting and looking and seeing, but I think that now that the house system is up and running, people see how good it is for the students.                 Now, there are some new people who are getting involved, which is also really gratifying. But I do think that it's important not to pressure people into doing anything they don't want to do. I think that as these things prove themselves to be useful and meaningful, things will be easier going forward. I think that law schools are pretty slow moving institutions in general and making big changes take time. And I don't feel like I need to be in a huge rush because I see that this is a long-term goal that will have really long-term benefits that are worth waiting for. CHRIS: Linda, are you seeing anything on your commitment to well-being in terms of playing out in terms of your strategies on recruiting new students into Fordham? Because it certainly feels like again, there's a more societal recognition of how important this is and I'm wondering whether you're playing that into recruitment strategies in what we know is a very competitive landscape and it comes to recruiting law students into the institution. LINDA: Absolutely. So in our admitted student days, we always talk about our professionalism initiatives. The professionalism office gets a lot of inquiries from admitted students. So there's no question that students are looking for these kinds of programs. I think that students are looking for law schools that understand that students have needs and are prepared to address those needs. And so I think that our students are pretty picky consumers when it comes to what the culture of the law school is and what the approach of the administration is. And I hope that we show ourselves to be the kind of welcoming, caring community that we are because we really are. CHRIS: Yeah, that's great. Well, let's spend the last couple of minutes that we have. I mean, obviously Fordham sits at the epicenter of the COVID-19 outbreak, right? And the pandemic. I'd just be curious, Linda, of what impact the pandemic had on your student body, what some of your concerns were and how you're working in the constraints set by the pandemic to continue to support student well-being in what's otherwise been a very uncertain time. LINDA: Yeah. So it has been a brutal 15 months, I admit that. And the losses that people have suffered are real and varied in our community. And I think that right now we need to focus on recovery. Things are much, much better here in New York now and it seems like things are coming back to life and we are hoping that in the fall we will be back to what we traditionally know as law school.                 The pandemic was really extra hard for the kinds of things that we've been focused on in the professionalism program, so really hard for community building. But I think that our programs were crucial in getting everybody through the pandemic. If you rely only on organic community building, people making friends in their classes, people might not be able to do it in a pandemic. But I think a lot of our students really needed to connect with each other and with their teachers.                 And so I worked with a lot of the faculty throughout the pandemic to help support them in creating welcoming and warm learning communities within their classes. So we had student faculty conversations on all sorts of current issues. We encouraged faculty to make space for more casual student interactions. So faculty did things like they held happy hours and game nights and cooked dinner together virtually with their students and I think all of these things really did make a difference.                 We saw in the peer mentorship program that the mentoring groups that would meet weekly really treated it as a gem of a moment that they could get together and have some social interaction with other students when they really had so few opportunities to do that kind of thing. So I'm not going to say that it was good, it was really, really hard for everybody. And it was hard financially and there were a lot of people who got sick and who had a lot of illness in their family so it was definitely challenging.                 But I do always try to look for the silver lining. And so when we're back in the fall, the plan is that we will continue to use some of the remote tools that we learned how to use that I think that some of them can really enrich the support structure of the law school. We have to strike a balance between flexibility, convenience, and immersion and I think we'll be calibrating that when we get back. But for our fall academic program, I scheduled some online classes in the curriculum even though mostly we're going to be back in person. So I hope that what we'll take from this year of disruption will be some tools that we can use to make a richer learning environment that includes everything. BREE: Linda, this has been fascinating and inspiring too, and we're coming to the end of our time together. But just finally, if one of our listeners was interested in learning more about these innovative programs at Fordham, could you give them some advice on how to learn more? LINDA: Yeah. So we have a page on the Fordham Law School website for the office of professionalism that has lots of information on the programs that we're doing. Even better, I love to talk about what we're doing and so does our director of professionalism. So people should feel free to reach out to me and to her Jordana Confino. Our contact information is on the office of professionalism page. We are really hoping to help other schools replicate particularly our peer mentorship program because we believe it can be really transformational. And so next year when we sort of take this to the next level, that's one of the things that I'm going to be focusing on, is how is it that we help other schools to incorporate some of these things that I think have made a really big difference for us. CHRIS: Well, yeah. What important work that you're doing. I mean, I just love the fact that you've invested so much time and energy into the emotional readiness of the law school experience and I think that that's going to obviously pay dividends for the culture that you're building within the law school itself. But if I'm an employer and I'm thinking about what type of students I ultimately want to hire into my firm, knowing that I have a student who's kind of emotionally ready for the practice of law seems to be a really wise investment from a hiring decision. So any final closing thoughts on that Linda or anything else that you want to raise to our listeners? LINDA: Just that I hope in addition to helping them work more effectively, I hope that all of this will really make our students happier lawyers. And so it's really important that the work that lawyers do to our society, and I think it's really important that we care for lawyers so that they can do that work and have gratifying and happy lives. CHRIS: All right. Professor Linda Sugin, thank you so much for joining us on the podcast. And again, for our listeners, our next two podcasts will also be focused on law schools' culture and some of the advancements going on. But again, what a great way to kick off this mini series to talk about the Fordham experience. And thank you listeners for joining and we'll be back in a couple of weeks. Thanks. LINDA: Thanks you so much for having me. CHRIS: Thanks, Linda.

 Discover how to increase your email list through developing loyal and engaged subscribers Learn how to develop a really strong connection, that profitable, authentic relationship with your subscribers Gain insights on how devoting your time to writing striking weekly newsletters can increase your email list Resources/Links: Check out Linda's Website: https://6figurenewsletters.com/love-trust-buy/ Summary Are you struggling to gain loyal and engaged subscribers in your email list? Are you devoting your time to write remarkable weekly newsletters that address your subscribers' needs and their issues? Linda Puig is a relationship-marketing expert, key phrase "relationship marketing", and founder of Ready2Go Articles, which provides professionally written done-for-you content that helps you market with ease, and she's also the author of The Six-Figure Newsletter. In this episode, Linda shares her insights on how to transform your email list into loyal subscribers by taking time in developing and writing newsletters that addresses your subscribers' needs. Check out these episode highlights: 01:22 - Linda's ideal client: “My audience is primarily solopreneurs. Solo individuals in business for themselves who coach, who consult, who teach online typically, and otherwise support their clients, their students to transform, transform their business, transform their lives, their relationships, their finances.” 01:45 - Problem Linda helps solve: “Well, these people want to be able to send emails and make money, and experience, you know, the freedom that comes with that, but they haven't taken the time to develop that loyal, engaged subscriber list. And that's really the only way that you can turn those kinds of people into clients and customers.” 02:20 - Typical symptoms that clients do before reaching out to Linda: “They're miserable. Well, they're busy seeing clients, first of all. They're busy building their business, they're busy having a life, they're busy, right? They're busy. They don't feel like they have any other time in their world to squeak out writing content to email, an email list. Right? Not only that, they feel uncertain about what to write to, you know, develop that really strong connection, that profitable, authentic relationship. They lack confidence often in their writing skills, they may have had a teacher tell them, "Your writing stinks" or, you know, some of them say that they would rather have their tooth pulled than sit down and write an article.” 03:38 - Common mistakes that people make before they find Linda's solution: “Yeah. The two biggest ones are that first of all, they don't really know who they're writing to. You know, they haven't jumped inside the skin of their ideal client that they're attempting to attract and serve. So, they don't know what they're really all about or what makes them tick or what makes them stay up late at night. You know, thinking and ruminating and whatnot.” 05:50 - Linda's Valuable Free Action (VFA): “Well, I guess I can answer it in two parts. The first one really is to just start writing. But what I want you to do is to actually open up an account with a free email service provider, and you can use this to practice or you can use it to start connecting with your audience right away. And I recommend the second one, and just start writing to them. I know a gentleman that's an Aussie, by the way, who started writing an email list of maybe 25. Over the course of a year, he just wrote, and wrote, and wrote nurture content. Did not make any offers during that period of time.

 Discover how to increase your email list through developing loyal and engaged subscribers Learn how to develop a really strong connection, that profitable, authentic relationship with your subscribers Gain insights on how devoting your time to writing striking weekly newsletters can increase your email list Resources/Links: Check out Linda’s Website: https://6figurenewsletters.com/love-trust-buy/ Summary Are you struggling to gain loyal and engaged subscribers in your email list? Are you devoting your time to write remarkable weekly newsletters that address your subscribers’ needs and their issues? Linda Puig is a relationship-marketing expert, key phrase "relationship marketing", and founder of Ready2Go Articles, which provides professionally written done-for-you content that helps you market with ease, and she's also the author of The Six-Figure Newsletter. In this episode, Linda shares her insights on how to transform your email list into loyal subscribers by taking time in developing and writing newsletters that addresses your subscribers’ needs. Check out these episode highlights: 01:22 - Linda’s ideal client: “My audience is primarily solopreneurs. Solo individuals in business for themselves who coach, who consult, who teach online typically, and otherwise support their clients, their students to transform, transform their business, transform their lives, their relationships, their finances.” 01:45 - Problem Linda helps solve: “Well, these people want to be able to send emails and make money, and experience, you know, the freedom that comes with that, but they haven't taken the time to develop that loyal, engaged subscriber list. And that's really the only way that you can turn those kinds of people into clients and customers.” 02:20 - Typical symptoms that clients do before reaching out to Linda: “They're miserable. Well, they're busy seeing clients, first of all. They're busy building their business, they're busy having a life, they're busy, right? They're busy. They don't feel like they have any other time in their world to squeak out writing content to email, an email list. Right? Not only that, they feel uncertain about what to write to, you know, develop that really strong connection, that profitable, authentic relationship. They lack confidence often in their writing skills, they may have had a teacher tell them, "Your writing stinks" or, you know, some of them say that they would rather have their tooth pulled than sit down and write an article.” 03:38 - Common mistakes that people make before they find Linda’s solution: “Yeah. The two biggest ones are that first of all, they don't really know who they're writing to. You know, they haven't jumped inside the skin of their ideal client that they're attempting to attract and serve. So, they don't know what they're really all about or what makes them tick or what makes them stay up late at night. You know, thinking and ruminating and whatnot.” 05:50 - Linda’s Valuable Free Action (VFA): “Well, I guess I can answer it in two parts. The first one really is to just start writing. But what I want you to do is to actually open up an account with a free email service provider, and you can use this to practice or you can use it to start connecting with your audience right away. And I recommend the second one, and just start writing to them. I know a gentleman that's an Aussie, by the way, who started writing an email list of maybe 25. Over the course of a year, he just wrote, and wrote, and wrote nurture content. Did not make any offers during that period of time. And by the end of that, that period, there were at least 7000 people on his list. And not just 7000 people, but 7000 motivated people. So just go. Just start.” 07:00 - Linda’s Valuable Free Resource (VFR): Check out Linda’s Website: https://6figurenewsletters.

Once you get sober, it can be incredibly easy to get caught up in the chaos of daily life, and forget that taking care of yourself is not an option, but a priority. Taking care of yourself sounds like an easy and simple task, but the reality is that most people struggle to find healthy ways to take care of themselves, whether they’re in recovery or not. Tonight, we talk about Self Care Our generous Recovered Podcast Community allows us to be self supporting and not rely on outside contributions.  If you would like to join us, there are three ways. Episode Sponsorship  We will recognize you by first name only at the top, mid, and end of the episode.  Any amount will qualify. Premium Membership  This is the single most effective way to support the show.  Watch the video in its entirety and learn how to become Premium Sustaining Partners  We have three ways in which you can participate in this 12-step mission We invite you to be a partner is this work. 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When you’re in active addiction, drugs and alcohol become your main priority, and the importance of things like physical and mental health, work, school, and family gets drowned out by your need to not be sober.   Once you get sober, it can be incredibly easy to get caught up in the chaos of daily life, and forget that taking care of yourself is not an option, but a priority. Taking care of yourself sounds like an easy and simple task, but the reality is that most people struggle to find healthy ways to take care of themselves, whether they’re in recovery or not.    Tonight, we talk about Self Care   Start iPod   The backbone of the Recovered Podcast is our Premium Subscribers. Our Premium members sustain the Recovered Podcast And allow us to be online and available to the new person in recovery. If you agree that serving the new person is important Then consider joining us Premium Subscribers in this 12 step work. 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Katrina Ruth: Welcome. Hi humans. What is happening? Interesting. Interesting. Very interesting. There's people. Hello to the people. Hi Kendra. Kendra, I feel like I haven't seen you in a long while. Katrina Ruth: I am doing the thing that you do when you go live, which is you just kinda fuck around for a little bit, you fix your hair, make sure your posture is good. You see which head tilt looks better, which side. Thank you. I forgot I had this top. Found it in the closet. Have many clothes that I've forgotten about. Katrina Ruth: Now, my hair looks fine. I think I could adjust it just one time. Just one time. Let me share this little stream over. Where have you been though? Watching without commenting. Katrina Ruth: Hello Anne Marie. Katrina Ruth: Why did my little wizardry woman not copy over? I tried to copy my wizardry woman when I'm sharing it. Where is she? Who is she? What is she? And she won't let me share. Katrina Ruth: So, you know when ... I'm very clam. I refuse to be swayed, but my little princessy, empress ... she's an empress, excuse me, excuse all of you. The empress will not allow herself to be shared. I mean, it's very emporessy of her. I think you'll agree. She's just like, "No bitch." Too bad, I'm gonna find you in the keyboard emojis, you wirely little empress. Where are you? I won't do that dancing lady, I won't. I don't feel like flamenco lady today. Today is the day for the empress. Where is she? I'm fantastic. I was able to share the empress over to the daily asskickery group. You'll be very happy to hear it. Katrina Ruth: Now, you know the thing that you've gotta do when you come on the live stream? Let me just tell you the things. Let me tell you the things that you must do when you come on to a live stream, in case you didn't know. Katrina Ruth: Hello Shannon. Katrina Ruth: Now, firstly a man told me once that if I twirl my hair in front of him it means I wanna have sex with him. Can anybody give me their ... can somebody tell me whether this is true or not? 'Cause I twirl my hair a lot on the live stream, I don't know if that means I wanna have sex with all of you. Who's even here? Let me see. Let me consider the options. Katrina Ruth: So far I've only ... well it's not telling me everybody is here, so I don't know really, but I always feel a little bit alarmed when I start twirling my hair on a live stream. I feel like, "Do people suddenly think that that means I wanna have sex with everybody? I'm not kidding, he stood at my kitchen bench and he said to me, "Just so you know I know that you wanna have sex with me because you're twirling your head at me and you're biting your lip. I'm like, "I was not biting my lip." I said, "I'm twirling my hair because it feels fantastic." He said, "Do you wanna have sex with me?" I was like, "I take offence". I didn't say that. I didn't really know what that means. I was like, "Fine, you might be right." But I still don't think that it's a valid actual rule. Katrina Ruth: Can somebody vote? Claire says, "I think they say that because it's something people do when they're nervous." Katrina Ruth: He said I was staring at his lips. He was quite certain about himself, let's just put it that way. Katrina Ruth: No it wasn't a plumber. It was a friend. Who's a friend? He was just basically saying that he could read my energy and just being quite cocky about it. Katrina Ruth: Anyway, he may have been very right, but that's really neither here nor there. I don't think that it's an automatic thing that if you twirl your hair at somebody ...Ella, is it a thing 'cause I twirl my hair constantly especially when I'm on a live stream. I'm constantly twirling my hair. I suppose I am thinking about sex quite a lot though. So, could be for that reason. Katrina Ruth: The lip biting thing, I don't know. I can understand lip biting if you're really in the passion of it, but I don't think I just walk around looking at people and biting my lip, or staring at their lips. Maybe I do. I don't know. Katrina Ruth: So, that's what I was trying to say though. When you come on a live stream ... firstly I have a cloak here just in case, this is a cloak just in case I need it. I didn't put my cloak on today. Secondly, when you come on a live stream, you must adjust your hair. Everybody knows that. I've already done it. I didn't it before I went on live but then you do it again just to be sure. Katrina Ruth: The next thing that you've gotta do is if you're smart, you wanna make sure that you jump onto the computer and check how you look there because the phone is a liar. The phone, she's a seductress and a liar. The phone will have you thinking that you can see from here up or something, but really it's gonna be from wherever it is, so I can see it on the screen from there up, but on my phone I can't see that much. So, what if I had, I don't know a crock top under and I didn't want you to see my stomach? Then too bad, it'd be too bad for me. Katrina Ruth: Alright, I'm adding this little empress emoji over here on my personal page and then I'll be ready to talk about some things, many things. Katrina Ruth: Claire says, "Someone told me we twirl our hair when we are tired." I just twirl my hair 'cause it looks fabulous, but now ever since he told me that I've always felt concerned that I may be, accidentally twirling my hair at people and then that wherever I go around the Gold Coast people just think I wanna have sex with them, which is not necessarily true. In fact, it's generally not true is the truth of the matter, but maybe I'm just accidentally giving off the wrong impression all the time. I suppose it's not harmed me so far. [inaudible 00:07:32]. Cool. Katrina Ruth: So, "Hey, twirling is used to release tension. Sometimes it's sexual tension." Oh well, there we have it. We have the relationship expert amongst other things telling us exactly what it means. Now I know. That's what it means. If I twirl my hair at you, that's definitely what it means, just so you know. Katrina Ruth: So, I've had the most fascinating weekend, I must say. I've had a most unusual ... I don't know how to say this, I don't know what I'm putting out there with my energy right now but I've had some very interesting conversations this weekend. It's been quite fascinating. I think I've changed something in my energy. It might just be the it might just be the breasts. Or it's the hair twirling, obviously. It's definitely the hair twirling, and the lip biting. I wasn't even biting my lip at anybody. I didn't bite my lip at a single person all weekend except maybe in rage, possibly. Katrina Ruth: So, what was I even gonna talk about? Resolve. Katrina Ruth: Hello Lisa. Katrina Ruth: Resolve. We're gonna talk about resolve. And specifically what we're gonna talk about is whatever the fuck comes out of my mouth 'cause I already kinda got bored of the topic of resolve. I think I wrote about it already, so now I don't know what I wanna talk about. So, we'll just sit here for a moment and we'll think about it. Katrina Ruth: Shannon, "What would you like to talk about?" Katrina Ruth: I don't know, I just kind of go through these periods and then I'm like, "Do you think that you just ..." see, I can't stop touching my hair, but I think I'm really just using it as an excuse to touch my breast, and I thought that that might be a phase that would wear off after a month or so. It's not even been a month, it's been 12 days actually, look how recovered I am. I'm like a recovery genius. Katrina Ruth: Today my mother said to me, "Did you have a boob job?" I never told her. I told the whole internet but I didn't tell my mother, so anyway, she was remarkably unruffled about that actually considering that she heard from somebody else and not me. She just asked me how my recovery is going, and I said, "Fantastic because I'm a recovery magician." I didn't say the word magician 'cause my mom wouldn't really care for it. I said, "Recovery maestro." I didn't say maestro either. I said, "Because I'm amazing at healing and recovery." It was something along those lines. Katrina Ruth: And I thought that that face of wanting to touch yourself might wear off after a few weeks or a month, but then one of my clients ... it's not a prop, it's just how I walk around the house, what are you talking about? One of my clients/friends ... unruffled is an amazing word, isn't it? We should use it more often as a community. Yes, one of my clients/friends told me that 10 years later she still can't stop touching her breast all the time. Katrina Ruth: Now, I might say that I've had an unreasonable amount of requests from my male friends for me to send photos, which I find kind of hilarious 'cause I don't think that they would normally be asking me to send photos of my breasts. In fact, they don't normally. My friends, my actual friends, I'm not talking about romantic interests. And now all of a sudden it's just a common every day request. Apparently I'm being quite stubborn and rude that I'm not sending through photos so that they can give some kind of official Amazon review. Katrina Ruth: The resolve thing. Let's come back to that. I think that we just do it on purpose sometimes. You have these days, or for me it's been kind of yesterday and today ... yesterday I had an anxiety day, which I don't really care for that much. I'm making light of it now but I did write about it yesterday and it's a real thing, or everything is a real thing, whatever. I don't wanna go on, and on about it again. But yesterday was an anxiety day, and then today was next level grumpy bitch day. You know grumpy cat from Friends? Is grumpy cat from Friends? Where is grumpy cat from? Grumpy cat's on the internet somewhere. Let's find grumpy cat. I've definitely been grumpy cat all day. Katrina Ruth: I just snapped at one of my friends on a message when he asked me where I am in the world, like where I physically am. And I gave him an answer that according to his reply ... or his reply to me and said, "Don't talk to me like a client." He gave me a coaching client answer, and I said, "I did not." I said, "I'm just rolling my eyes at you because I already told you earlier today where I am. Australia, and now I had to tell you again, and what's with men and not paying attention to details? And then I said, "Sorry. I'm just having a grumpy day." Katrina Ruth: Smelly cat is the one from Friends, but there is a grumpy cat. Hopefully when I posted earlier on Facebook today that I was having a grumpy day ... I received him. I'm receiving all manner of messages at the moment that are just kind of hilarious, but also fabulous. But I got a helpful message earlier today when I posted that I was grumpy and said, "I know what you need, and it's not ... whatever, reframing, "It's penis." And I'm like, "Alright, that's super fucking helpful. Thank you." You're right. Katrina Ruth: Do you think I'm being quite staccato on what I'm saying today? I feel like I'm not remotely connected to anything. I'm just dropping random ideas, one after another, without linking any of them up together. And it may or may not go anywhere at all. Katrina Ruth: That's right, I was looking at grumpy cat. Okay. Now, I'm interested. Here we go. There's grumpy cat. So, I did a really good deep post about why I was grumpy, and I made some really good points about shifting things, and then of course it's a guy ... messages me, and sends me a meme. Some sort of meme that I won't repeat, but then ... No. There's nothing ... just undid my whole post basically and said that really why you're grumpy is your need penis. And I'm like, "Yes. I'm fully fucking aware of that. No need to point it out." Don't worry, I'll resolve all issues as I always do. This is my happy face. This was my happy face today. There it is, grumpy cat. Katrina Ruth: Thank you Kobie. It wasn't even a grumpy cat meme. I thought of the grumpy cat memes myself. Katrina Ruth: What are we up to? Should we start the conversation? Should we begin the show? So, I had an anxiety day yesterday. That was not fun, not fun, not fun even though I'm well rehearsed and well versed ... Katrina Ruth: What did Shannon say? "We should talk about how bum-diggity you actually are while drinking vino." Katrina Ruth: This is my first bit of wine today though. I haven had any wine to drink. Rudely when I was on my live stream last night with Linda people were accusing us of being drunken school girls, which we found supremely offensive, whilst also quite flattering. Katrina Ruth: Anxiety day is not that fun, but I'm well versed in how to deal with it. Today was a grumpy day. Today was a fuck the world day, but at the same time I had a great day in many ways. Katrina Ruth: And then I thought to myself ... thank you. Thank you Yvonne. Then I thought to myself, "Maybe I just create these grumpy days, or anxiety days from time to time to then remind myself of how fucking strong I am, and how determined, and how resilient I am. Katrina Ruth: I already wrote a whole book about an hour ago. My children got to stay up an extra 30 minutes 'cause I was busy finishing the blog instead of putting them to bed, but now they're asleep. Linda's around somewhere as well. She may or may not appear. She's doing a big training upstairs, but she might be nearly done now. Katrina Ruth: So, I don't need to repeat the whole jolly blog, I already wrote about that, but essentially after I wrote the blog, then I thought about it, and I thought, "I'm pretty sure that we just create these really grumpy or annoyance anxiety days in order to ..." like a contrast, you know what I mean? It's a contrast but it's also a lesson teaching. Katrina Ruth: Okay. I feel like I'm not remotely in in flow at all and it's very much annoying me. I feel like maybe this is how the normal people feel when they are live streaming, where they feel a little, kind of disconnected and like a feeling of, "Am I being remotely interesting? Does anybody wanna listen to what I have to say? Should I just finish the live stream right now?" These are all the things that I'm thinking. Tell me something. I'm waiting for the super flow to come and super flow is just like, "Fuck you bitch. I ain't coming along today at all." Katrina Ruth: We're gonna be in LA quite soon, aren't we? It's only next week that I head back to America. America. I'm gonna go here, there, and everywhere. Who wants to do something fabulous with me in America? I'm doing many things already. I may or may not accept your offer, if you make me one. Katrina Ruth: Do you think I'm having an anxiety comedown? You might be right. Katrina Ruth: Karen says, "I've been in a fowler today too. I desire a full-time nanny." You should get to have whatever you desire, Karen. I'm pointing it to you. I ordained you. I don't know why you need to be ordained in order to have a full-time nanny. "Loved your blog today." Thank you. Katrina Ruth: Well, the blog I'm very happy with. I wrote the blog and I felt fabulous about it. I felt super flow. And now I'm on the live stream and I feel disconnected and grumpy about it. Aftershock. I ate mini white potatoes for dinner though, so I should be feeling better soon. It's my magic food. The more potatoes I eat, the leaner I get, and the happier I get. It's definitely coming ... Katrina Ruth: Lisa says ... Lisa poses an interesting question, she says, "What do you really wanna say, Kat?" What do I really wanna say? I wanna say why are they ... this is something I probably was definitely not gonna say. I wanna say why are there so many fucking men who wanna have sex with me and none of them are here in the Gold Coast? That's what I'm grumpy about. Things I thought I would never say on the internet. Why am I getting so many messages from men who I really do wanna see, and then none of them are here on the Gold Coast, why am I manifesting that none of them are here? That's what I wanna know. Okay. I can't believe I just said that. And I've only had three sips of wine as well. That's my real problem. Katrina Ruth: What's happening? Why am I manifesting all these amazing conversations? And there's a backstory there. And then I'm just creating resistance around the actual physical manifestation because I'm just trapped on the Gold Coast, and everybody knows this, no men to have sex with on the Gold Coast. Well, it's happened on occasion, for sure, but I think I'm creating some kind of block around it. Okay I think I'm going through some kind of Katfession. These are the things that I normally say to Linda, but freaking Linda is upstairs on the training, so now apparently I'm saying them to the whole internet. Katrina Ruth: "Why do I think that is?" Linda's theory is that I don't really wanna have sex with anybody because there's just one person that I wanna have sex with. She has theories, that one. I don't know if she's right or not. She might be, or she might not be. Who knows. That's her theory. Was that Linda who said that? Of course it was. Maybe it was Kelly, I saw Kelly today as well. Katrina Ruth: "Are they actually good enough for you?" They're actually all amazing, is the truth of the matter. That's the truth of it. That is the truth, but there's only one that I'm in love with. My God, what's happening? Am I on some kind of truth serum? Somebody get Linda down very quickly to save me before I keep saying things that I shouldn't say. This is entirely her fault because we did a live stream yesterday about wearing masks on the internet. Katrina Ruth: "Maybe your boobsicles aren't ready for the passion that's gonna get unleashed on them>" the breasts are ready. And they've got full sensation in them as well by the way. One of my friends said she didn't get sensation back for four to six months. I cannot fucking believe I just said that. It's an organic wine, it's obviously the fault of the organic wine. That's the most revealing ... I didn't call this live stream reveal, I called it resolve. I don't know if she's right or not. I refuse to accept that that's the only possible answer. Anything's possible, doesn't make it definite though, does it? I don't know about the answer. I'm like, maybe you're right. Maybe. Maybe not. But that's pretty much what I'm grumpy about. Katrina Ruth: What are we gonna do about it? What are we gonna about it as a community and as a team? I have to decide whether I'm in sexual resistance on purpose. Katrina Ruth: "You need to resolve this." Now I get it. [inaudible 00:20:43]. Thank you Lisa. I need to resolve this situation. Katrina Ruth: Well, I just find it kind of infuriating when you're having four incredible conversations at once with incredible men, and none of them are here. What is that about? But she might be right. She might be right. Maybe I don't really want any of them except for one of them. Everybody fucking knows anyway, it's not exactly a secret. Katrina Ruth: Apparently I should drink more because clearly I can keep my mouth more secretive when I'm drinking than when I'm not drinking. What am I up to. I've had about 50 mils of wine and I'm now saying the most revealing stuff that I've ever said on the internet. Well, the whole point was to drop the mask. "Fly them in." Don't worry I'll see them when I need to see them, but maybe she's right and I only wanna see the one one. Bloody hell. Katrina Ruth: I use inargi all the time. Alright. Well, this is embarrassing. I feel like I should leave now. Who wants to join Empress? Maybe I'll just tell you something. By the way if any of those men are on this live stream, you can just leave right away. Nobody invited you along. Everybody knows what I'm talking about anyway. Everybody who's in my inner circle meaning my ... well, I don't necessarily mean my client inner circle. I mean the inner circle of Kat, but either way. Katrina Ruth: Resolution. Does need resolution. Resolution's always coming. That's true. I trust in the process. I trust in the divine unfolding of all things. One must trust in divine unfolding of all things or what else does one have? Ella. Ella knows many things about many things. That's what I've established since getting to know you, Ella and I don't even know you that well, but I know that you know many things. Katrina Ruth: Now, what am I up to? I'm gonna tell you something to distract you from all my embarrassing reveals. I didn't really say anything at all anyway. You can put two and two together all you like you're only gonna come up with 49 and a half. Here you go. You might as well join Empress. Katrina Ruth: I did the best read out about Empress the other day ... Katrina Ruth: "Maybe you're waiting for men with a golden gun." I feel like I should understand what that means and I don't. Does that make me really dumb or really naïve? Empress is open for registrations, just so you know. Can't really be bothered talking about it but there's a pinned comment there. Katrina Ruth: Here's why I also may be grumpy. I'll give you another reason, I'm just gonna deflect you now. Deflection. I was supposed to go to Barley tomorrow and I've now cancelled. And now I'm like, should I have cancelled? Should I have not cancelled? And I don't know. I'm in a bizarre questioning state. I think what I'm gonna go do tomorrow is buy a house and a car, and that will sort me out. I already planned it though. Katrina Ruth: Okay. I had a friend request here from Fred , can anybody vouch for Fred? He has no mutual friends in common and he appears to be holding a gun in his profile photo. He is holding a gun and somebody just said the man with the golden gun. He appears to have no teeth on one side of his teeth, and I'm not joking. He's holding a gun, it's a big one. Hang on ... Has a lot of tattoos, he looks nice. We should probably stop talking about him. It's not a golden gun. Linda, I've just done something really stupid. Linda: What have you done? Katrina Ruth: Because you weren't here I just told the people on the live stream things that I would normally tell you on an audio. And it was really bad. I'm not kidding. I just said the actual truth about why I'm grumpy. I said because- Linda: Are you still live? Katrina Ruth: Yes. But it's all on now. I said because these four men messaging me amazing conversations and none of them are fucking here on the Gold Coast for me to have sex with them, and that's the real reason that I'm grumpy. Linda: Which group are you living? Katrina Ruth: The whole world. I don't even know what I'm doing. I'm not even drinking wine. I mean, I've had half a glass but ... and then I said, "Let's be honest, we all know the truth is that it's because it's only one that I love." And I've dropped you in it as well while we were at it. Linda: Oh did you? Katrina Ruth: I said that you said it's probably because I only want the one one. Linda: Well, that's true. Katrina Ruth: She doesn't know what she's on about, just 'cause she's the one that hears all my audios all day every day. She's making shit up. This is what happens when you're on a fucking training upstairs instead of being down here for me to talk to. I just start telling the whole incident, the most revealing things in the world. Linda: [laughs]. Katrina Ruth: Anyway, hopefully nobody watches this replay. Katrina Ruth: "An orgasm is being called." Says Karen. I already had many of them, all weekend long. I'm pretty sure I'm up to 20 since Friday night. It's gotta be some kind of Guinness World Book of World Records ... yeah, I need an award for that for sure. Katrina Ruth: I'm not even kidding. I'm on fire. I'm sensually aroused and on fire at the moment. I don't know what's happening. Something's changing in my whole energy system. I was always like it anyway, but it's gone to the next level. Okay. Wait. Alright. I got another message. I was like, don't tell me it's another one but it was Rasheda, so that's fine. It was a woman. Katrina Ruth: "Super flow is on." I don't think the super flow is here. I think I'm just still saying shit that I probably shouldn't be saying on the internet. Well, it's also because we talked about dropping masks last night. Just so you know. Okay. I think she's left now. Linda: What? Katrina Ruth: It's your fault because last night we live streamed about dropping the mask. Linda: Oh it's my fault. Katrina Ruth: You can make a guest appearance if you like. Linda: In my pyjamas. Katrina Ruth: Well, I've got pyjamas on too just on the bottom half. Linda: Hello. Katrina Ruth: I'm blaming you. Linda: Why are you blaming me? Katrina Ruth: Because last night we talked about drop ... Can we share a throne? It's not gonna work. Linda: Our asses are to big. Katrina Ruth: Hey. Linda: Can we take this up? Katrina Ruth: No. You have to look at our breasts now. Linda: You got some lighting going on, girl. Katrina Ruth: Because last night we talked about dropping the masks and now, tonight you're not here to save me and I'm just moping around downstairs, so then I end up telling the whole incident, the things I would normally tell you. Linda: But this is just what happens. Katrina Ruth: No. I've never told the whole internet that before. Linda: You obviously meant to or you chose to. Katrina Ruth: Well, maybe it's a new level of freedom that's coming through. How's your training? Linda: Amazing. Amazing. Katrina Ruth: How many people did you have on your training? Linda: Live 130. Katrina Ruth: Celebrate Linda. Send her a love heart shower. Let's ordain her. I don't know what I'm ordaining you as. Linda: Off the hood. Loving it. Katrina Ruth: As a training princess of the online trainings. Katrina Ruth: Well, last night we live streamed with our capes on about dropping masks. Don't forget to buy my shit by the way 'cause I'm not really in the mood to sell it right now, but just so you know, don't forget. Leave the pinned comment. Linda: I just get so much humour from just staying with you. This is great. Katrina Ruth: Therapy. Linda: This is just ... I'm not- [crosstalk 00:28:23]. What are these things? Katrina Ruth: That's me. Linda: What? Katrina Ruth: [crosstalk 00:28:29]. Katrina Ruth: Send her some more Kat emojis. Linda: What are they? How is that even possible? Katrina Ruth: Send some flying Katrina so that she can see them. We want it all John, don't be offensive. Linda: I want a flying Linda too. Katrina Ruth: Look. Look. Katrina Ruth: I mean, look it says one percent and press play. Linda: Oh my god, this is the best fucking thing I've ever seen in my life. Katrina Ruth: Yeah. Bronwyn made them for me. Linda: I need some of those in my life. Katrina Ruth: And some sex. Oh no, that's me. Linda: This is incredible. I learned something new today. Katrina Ruth: "Where did the flying Katrinas come from?" So, on your phone, you know how on the right hand side you've got the little emojis? And then to the inside left of your emojis on your phone you'll see a little sticker ... you gotta be on your cell phone, your mobile phone. It won't work if you're on your laptop. Linda: Oh my God. Can I do it? Katrina Ruth: Yeah, if you're on your phone and you join my live you can send some flying Katrinas. I'm pretty sure they're devil Katrinas. "You can't send any emojis tonight." Why? Are you on some kind of emoji diet? Have you overdosed on emojis? Have you made a commitment to yourself to not send any emojis for 30 days? Linda: Oh my God, this is like ... Katrina Ruth: The red jackets look like what? Linda: They look like witches. Katrina Ruth: Witches. Yeah. They're devils. They're flying devil Katrinas. I didn't care for that one at all. Linda: Are they holding a spanking thing? Katrina Ruth: Well, that would be normal and appropriate. Linda: Just like last night. And capes. Katrina Ruth: I think I've said enough revealing things for one evening. I call the live stream resolve and I was gonna speak about staying the course, and holding the vision of your goals, and instead I just told everyone how grumpy I am about not having sex right now. Linda: And instead you just unleashed whatever the fuck came out. Katrina Ruth: Don't worry I'll sort it out. Linda: Proper now. Katrina Ruth: I always do. Linda: I think I need me some wine too. Katrina Ruth: I think I need to drink more wine because I'd had one sip of wine and then I just started saying all that shit. I literally said stuff that I would normally just say straight to you, and then I was like, "What am I doing?" Katrina Ruth: "All you can see is bitmojis." Linda: You don't need me anymore, you got them. You just [inaudible 00:30:40] every day in an audio. Katrina Ruth: I cannot get into the habit of telling the whole world the things I tell you. I'd be kicked off Facebook. Katrina Ruth: "It's the wine." Well, I only just had a little bit of wine. Linda: The wine? Katrina Ruth: There's no white wine left in this house, is there? You drank it all. Linda: We can sort something. Katrina Ruth: "Love this so much, Linda." Linda: Thank you. Katrina Ruth: Alright. Send me some emojis. Linda: I have to ... is it on your page? Katrina Ruth: Well, how can we connect to this in a professional and adult way back to the conversation about resolve? Hopefully- Linda: Resolve. Katrina Ruth: Hopefully certain people don't watch this replay. I'm gonna be embarrassed. Linda: Oh my God, that's us. Katrina Ruth: Well, no. Not really 'cause whatever. I might as well just be transparent. Do you know what this is? This is a sign for me to be even more transparent. Linda: I wanna send you some ... Katrina Ruth: You're just gonna send me ... oh no. You gotta press this, that's where the flying Katrinas are ... I don't know. Where's the flying Katrinas? Linda: Or maybe 'cause it's ... Katrina Ruth: This one. This one. This one. I'm gonna send myself my own Katrina's. Oh my God. This is the best day of my life. I've never been ... I'm going crazy about it. I've never been able to do this before 'cause ... I'm just pushing buttons. Linda: This is the weirdest live stream ever. Katrina Ruth: And everybody's been pushing my buttons all weekend. So, I'm just gonna push these buttons. Oh my God. Linda: Look at that. Katrina Ruth: That's the best moment of my life. That is my best live ... one percent, one percent for everybody. Linda: I actually thought they look like witches. Katrina Ruth: Yeah. They do. Alright. I'm very excited. Okay turn it off. She's annoying. Linda: That's you darling. Katrina Ruth: She's speaking over the top of me. Shut it down. Linda: Shut it down. Shut myself down. Katrina Ruth: Get rid of her. Katrina Ruth: Anyway, I just had an important point, was it? How, if you look at the emojis on the left hand side, the cape live stream was professional. We were professional as fuck. If you look at your emojis on the left side of your screen, see? No, left. No, on the right side of your screen, so I'm pointing right 'cause it's mirror words ... mirror- Linda: Is it? Katrina Ruth: You know. Like if I point to our left then it's gonna point to their right. See? And see the little stickers? Linda: They look like witches. Katrina Ruth: They are. That's why I always call them devil Katrinas. Whenever I see them, I'm like, "Look at the devil Katrinas. Katrina Ruth: Leah, we were completely above board last night. We'd had no alcoholic beverages. Linda: None. Katrina Ruth: Actually, it's true because the livestream crossed over past midnight, so we were completely sober for that day because you reset your soberness at midnight right? Linda: I even got told off because I had a proper training tonight and I should be fresh. Katrina Ruth: Oh my God. That's true, you did. Linda: I did. I was so very serious on my training. It was incredible. Katrina Ruth: So, I was gonna make an amazing point. It was really just for me and not for anyone else, but still I wanna get back to it. It was, I think, maybe the reason I just told all of that to Facebook, about my sexual needs ... was maybe it means I meant to express it in a more open way in general. Linda: Maybe. Is that what you'd want to take out of it? Katrina Ruth: I think I already do. Linda: Like what you wanna teach yourself about that situation. About that concept. Katrina Ruth: I don't know. I think I express myself quite well. I don't know why it came out. Linda: Love it. Katrina Ruth: Maybe it wasn't that bad after all. I'm not gonna watch the replay just in case, because I have a personal rule that ... well, the problem ... Katrina Ruth: Blake says he missed my sexual needs. Please tell more. You've exactly hit the nail on the head. Everybody's been missing my sexual needs. Katrina Ruth: Well, what I had said was that I don't understand why I'm having four amazing conversations but none of them are on the Gold Coast. They're all in other places around the world. Linda: 'cause you've created it somehow. Katrina Ruth: But one's here in Brisbane and it's only an hour away but still, it's fucking Brisbane. Linda: Owning it too. I wonder why you created that/ Katrina Ruth: And then the recap version was that Linda in her wisdom and profoundness had said ... and when I said, "Why am I creating sexual resistance?" She said, "Maybe it's 'cause you don't really wanna have sex with them, which I found an annoying because it might be true. Linda: Well. Well. Katrina Ruth: I'm not sure if it is true. Linda: I do say really fascinating and smart things. You know fascinating things come out of my mouth all the time. All the time. Katrina Ruth: I've gotta go to Brisbane tomorrow anyway. I have to go there to see a car. Linda: What are you doing there? Katrina Ruth: I gotta go see a car. That's a true story. You know that. That's a true, above board story. Linda: There's lots of cars. Katrina Ruth: No. That car is in Brisbane. Linda: Okay. Katrina Ruth: The exact one happens to be in the same suburb where somebody lives, which is a coincidence. Katrina Ruth: "Subconsciously you may be revealing." Linda is always fucking right. This is the problem when you have [crosstalk 00:35:47]. Linda: Did you hear that? Did you hear that? Can you do a [inaudible 00:35:49] of that? Katrina Ruth: Could you just clip it out and have her repeat it like a 100 times? Linda: Yes. I will. I'm gonna call your team. Katrina Ruth: Don't worry, I'm always right as well. Oh I will get on a plane, don't worry. I'll get on a fucking plane. No doubt. Linda: [inaudible 00:36:03] steak on your cheek. Katrina Ruth: Yeah. That's happened before for sure. No. I'm seeing the car anyway. I've gotta go buy a car. It's like a James Bond car. Linda: Is it the one you sent me? Katrina Ruth: It's the Mercedes convertible that I was looking at in the [inaudible 00:36:20] the other day, but they had the black one on the Gold Coast, and they've got this gun metal grey one in Brisbane. It looks amazing. It looks like a spy car. So, I'm gonna go look at it. That's a true story. Linda: Like a James Bond car. Katrina Ruth: It's a legitimate non sexual story. I'm not even joking. That's why I'm going- Linda: For once. Katrina Ruth: It's not ... for once. For once. Listen to her. [inaudible 00:36:43]. Linda: I get all the stories behind the scenes, that's why I say for once. Katrina Ruth: Somebody's gotta hear the stories, don't they? It's true. Shotgun. "Yeah, this guy's bad ass." That's right, we forgot about the guy with the gun. Linda: Brandon. Katrina Ruth: What was the resolve comment about? I don't wanna get the car in gold. It should be in pink except I'm already pretty ... Linda: You did speak about a pink car. Katrina Ruth: I can't drive around town in a pink Mercedes convertible because everybody would know where I am all the time. I'm already standing out enough as it is. Don't you think? Linda: Well, you keep breaking the internet every day. Katrina Ruth: It's too much too muchness. Katrina Ruth: "You should have your stickers if you're on your mobile phone. If you're on your desktop then you won't." Katrina Ruth: Brandon wants to WhatsApp you. Linda: What's up? Katrina Ruth: He said what's up. Linda: What's up man. Katrina Ruth: He said that's what's up. Linda: That's what's up. Katrina Ruth: Do you think there's something about [inaudible 00:37:38] energy where we raise the temperature? Because last night I started sweating when we were on the live stream together and now I'm getting over heated again? Linda: Maybe. Katrina Ruth: It never happens on my own normal live streams. I'm like, holy shit. Linda: Gotta put my hair up and take my scarf off. Katrina Ruth: Just so we know, just to maintain a little bit of control back, I'm always right as well. Just so that everybody is aware. Linda: All of us are always right, aren't we? Katrina Ruth: That is true. That's a great point. Linda: According to our truths, we're always right. Katrina Ruth: That's an excellent point. She nailed. It. Linda: See? I told you just fascinating stuff just starts dribbling out of my mouth. I can't help that. Katrina Ruth: That's so good. Linda: It's just- Katrina Ruth: I think you can find a better way to dribble it. Katrina Ruth: Fascinating stuff keeps dribbling out of your mouth. It evolves out of you in an essentially conscious manner. Katrina Ruth: Somebody said super flow. I think it just kicked in. [inaudible 00:38:34], delivered. Katrina Ruth: Now I have to take my pants off. I'm getting really hot. Do I have any pants under this? Linda: Wouldn't surprise me. You do. Katrina Ruth: I'm taking my pants off. Linda: She's taking her pants off. Should I take my pants off too? Katrina Ruth: It's really hot. Linda: I can't take mine ... Katrina Ruth: I'm boiling. Linda: I'm not wearing ... I'm just wearing undies. Katrina Ruth: I'm burning up. Linda: I'm just wearing undies. I'm wearing the same colour. Katrina Ruth: Alright. Well, I put on clothing in order to get on the live stream, but I've got my pyjama shorts on underneath. Clam down. Everybody is just ... calm your tits. Linda: Now we're just talking about tits because your obsessed. Obsessed. Katrina Ruth: Look. You didn't even see my new bra. Linda: That's amazing. Katrina Ruth: That's one of the ones that I got yesterday. Linda: I like it. Katrina Ruth: It's incredible, isn't it? Linda: Yeah. Have you shown them? Katrina Ruth: Nope. Won't. Won't. Linda: I get the goods. I'm so lucky. Katrina Ruth: I got a message earlier from one of my amazing men who said to me, "Why have we not seen your new breast yet?" And I said, "We? Do you mean the royal we? Who's we?" I said, "Well, I suppose you can see them shortly on the live stream [inaudible 00:39:49]." Katrina Ruth: "Turn your phone ..." No. I won't. Linda: No. Katrina Ruth: Inappropriate. What? Linda: What? Katrina Ruth: [crosstalk 00:40:00] my whole breast a live stream? Linda: Was there even something in your existence that there is something called inappropriate? Katrina Ruth: I'm gonna save them for the people that get to see them. Linda: Okay. Katrina Ruth: Which is basically every single woman that I know who's just grabbed hold of them since I've got them, apparently. Linda: I know. The next day I got ... no. When did I ... I came back and you were like, "Look." Katrina Ruth: You were straight in there. You were just like, "Oh yeah." I think you actually said, "Oh yeah." Linda: I'm like, "Oh yeah." They're great. Katrina Ruth: I was like, just standing casually in the kitchen as you do. Linda: It was amazing. Katrina Ruth: "Are you trying to help them find Kat emojis?" I thought it was a conversation about boobs. Linda: We need to put some boob emojis in there as well 'cause everyone wants to see them, and everyone wants to squeeze them, so people can just send you some boos. Katrina Ruth: You're supposed to squeeze them. You're supposed to squeeze them upwards. Linda: But I think that's a great idea. Tell your team. So people can just give you booby grabs. Katrina Ruth: They do anyway. I don't need to tell them. They do it everywhere I go. Katrina Ruth: "Tell the team." Katrina Ruth: Hang on, we were saying something important. You were saying- Linda: Everything is important. Katrina Ruth: You were saying you're always right, which is an excellent point. Linda: So are you. Katrina Ruth: Thank you. Linda: And so are you. Katrina Ruth: Thank you. I'm saying thank you for them. Katrina Ruth: You can send your own thank yous though. Katrina Ruth: It's true. Doesn't it make life just fabulously easy if you're always right? Linda: Yeah. Of course. Katrina Ruth: It means that I didn't do anything embarrassing or stupid after all about what I said. It means it was exactly what I was meant to say. Confessional. As if it's a fucking secret anyway. Linda: The boobs? Katrina Ruth: No, that I really am kind of, only mainly interested in one person. Linda: But I would've noticed. Katrina Ruth: Which bit? Linda: The boos. I think anyone would've noticed even- Katrina Ruth: I was talking about the men. Linda: Oh the men, right. I thought you meant you weren't gonna tell anybody you got boobs done. I'm like, well, people would probably notice anyway. Katrina Ruth: No. Not that bit. I was talking about it's not a secret about the men stuff. What you said. Linda: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Katrina Ruth: But I still maintain that I ... that maybe ... I don't know. I'm stopping right there. Katrina Ruth: But you're definitely always right. I'm coming back to that. Linda: I like that. I've been talking about that all night. I'm always right. Katrina Ruth: We've been ... Have you? On your training? Linda: Oh no. Katrina Ruth: Or just in general? Linda: I could ... Katrina Ruth: We've been talking about that for months though. We've been saying that it's literally impossible to screw anything up because you are always right. Katrina Ruth: Well, I journal that every day. Every day I write I always make the right decision and everything always works out perfectly for me. Linda: Same. Exactly. Katrina Ruth: So, then every time I do something where I'm like, Oh my God I will literally ... you should've seen be earlier, I was like. I can't believe I just said that. Why did I say that? I only had two sips of wine as well. I was like, "What the fuck just happened?" Linda: You can't blame it on the wine though. Katrina Ruth: And I have a rule that I won't delete content online as well. I used to do it a few times. We talked about that stuff yesterday. Linda: Yeah we did. Katrina Ruth: But I did use to do that some years back when I would feel or self conscious about how I put myself out there. Now I have a personal rule that I will just not delete content no matter what. So, I won't delete the live stream even though it could be watched. Katrina Ruth: So, therefore I trust that it was exactly what I was meant to say. Linda: Yeah, of course. Katrina Ruth: I never screw anything up. And everything ... And did I say that everything works out perfectly [inaudible 00:43:15]? Linda: Yeah. Katrina Ruth: Yeah. I always- Linda: That's my belief now. Katrina Ruth: I always make ... It is so [inaudible 00:43:21]. Katrina Ruth: "I can't see them sideways either." I don't know. I can't help you. Linda: Which ones? The boobies? Katrina Ruth: The devil Katrinas. I think she means the devil Katrinas. Linda: Boobies or the devils? Katrina Ruth: No. The angelic boobies, devil Katrinas. Two different things. Katrina Ruth: I started to look [inaudible 00:43:38] two or three years ago. I chose it. You know you get to choose your beliefs people. You just get to choose them. Linda: I like to [inaudible 00:43:44] but I've never done before. I wanna take a photo of that. Katrina Ruth: Take a photo of [inaudible 00:43:47]. Yeah. Great. Why don't you live stream the live stream? Linda: I should. Katrina Ruth: So, I started to look [inaudible 00:43:55] a few years ago but I always make the right decision, everything always works out perfectly for me, I'm on my [inaudible 00:44:02] times, stuff like that, right? [inaudible 00:44:07] and at first it was like, it'd be cool if you believed that or it'd be nice if you believed that, or yeah I can, sort of, maybe start to believe that. Katrina Ruth: Now I 100% fully, completely do believe it. So, even though I feel like I just was very vulnerable and exposed myself, and was a next level idiot beyond what I normally am, I've already [crosstalk 00:44:26]. Linda: Is that even possible? Katrina Ruth: I can't discard any levels of idiocy and clownliness. Clownlyness everyday. But I don't really mean it about the idiocy. I've already shifted it and reframed it, and I'm already like, "Oh well, clearly that was exactly what I was meant to say tonight, and everything's perfect. Linda: Everything's always perfect. All the time. Katrina Ruth: Maybe not only will I be okay with this live stream replay [inaudible 00:44:49] maybe I'll just deliberately point it out. Linda: Maybe. Send it. Sent it. To the Gods. Katrina Ruth: To somebody. Katrina Ruth: Anyway, what say you? Linda: Pardon? Katrina Ruth: What would you like to say? Speak up. Linda: Speak up? Katrina Ruth: Address the room. Linda: Address the room. Katrina Ruth: Sorry I didn't have any wine to offer you... Linda: That's right, where's my wine? Katrina Ruth: You drank the whole bottle. Linda: I don't know but- Katrina Ruth: She doesn't drink red wine. Linda: I don't even normally drink much. Katrina Ruth: That's true. She doesn't. That is true. Linda: And I had a whole bottle of wine last night. Katrina Ruth: Well, yeah. And she doesn't drink red wine. I have enough red wine in here that I could open my own store. I have a seller's worth. Of course, I can't really offer her any though. Linda: It's really odd. I've never even had half a glass of red wine in my life. Katrina Ruth: I'll get some more to make up for it. Linda: Oh for me? Katrina Ruth: Linda has something very profound to tell you. No, for me. Linda: But what about me? Katrina Ruth: What am I gonna get you? Champaign? Linda: Surprise me. Linda: Out on something really funky and come back. Katrina Ruth: Put on something funky? Linda: I mean, take off what you have on and- Katrina Ruth: What? What's happening? Linda: I don't know what's happening. Katrina Ruth: You're just ordering me around. Linda: Do you really trust me on your life with your people? Katrina Ruth: Yeah. Linda: You never know 'cause I never know what's gonna come out of my mouth next. I never know what I'm gonna do next. Katrina Ruth: I'm not getting changed. Linda: You know a lot of people always ask me, "What the hell? Where are you gonna go next? What are you gonna do next? I can't keep up." Well, I can't keep up what I'm doing next. I never ever know. Linda: "Call for red." I don't know. You know what red wine really tastes like to me? Like sour milk. I'm not- Katrina Ruth: Would you like a potato? I can bring you a potato. Linda: No. I don't want a potato. Katrina Ruth: I brought you some kombucha. I've put some [crosstalk 00:46:44]. Linda: I don't like that. Katrina Ruth: I put apple cider vinegar in there just for you. Linda: Oh my God. Katrina Ruth: I just mixed some healthy things together. You don't like kombucha? Linda: No. Katrina Ruth: Take it away. Linda: Fermented- Katrina Ruth: The queen has spoken. Linda: Apple cider vinegar and kombucha, I'm like ... Katrina Ruth: I don't like kombucha either but [inaudible 00:46:59] and Kelly left it here, so somebody had to have it. Katrina Ruth: Alright. Well, what do you want then? Linda: I don't know. I'll go and find my way. Katrina Ruth: Okay. Hang on. I'm gonna [inaudible 00:47:08]. Linda: What is my work about? My work on my work? Which work? Katrina Ruth: The work. Linda: The work. Katrina Ruth: Oh the work. Linda: oh the work. Remember that? Katrina Ruth: What was that? That was like, "We want them to do the work." Oh that's right you've gone, "I want this, this, this, and this, and I want him to do the work." And I'm like, "What work Linda?" "Oh the work." Linda: Oh, the work. Katrina Ruth: That was over a year ago. Linda: That was over a year ago. Katrina Ruth: And then you manifested it like a motherfucker. Linda: I did. Katrina Ruth: And that was the same manner I manifested ... you know ... the Brisbane situation. Linda: Boob side profile. Katrina Ruth: My hair is in the way. I keep the hair there on purpose to keep it gentile. Linda: Are we going all conservative now? Katrina Ruth: Yeah. I'm super conservative. I'm known for ... Can I tell you something? Linda: What happened? Katrina Ruth: Can I tell you something that- Linda: What happened inside that head? Please. Katrina Ruth: I'm gonna tell you something that's gonna shock you. Linda: Tell me. Katrina Ruth: And you're gonna be upset. I think I'm on [inaudible 00:48:16]. Linda: Oh really? Katrina Ruth: So, when I was taking the Mercedes convertible thing for a test drive the other day, we're driving along and the car sales man says to me, "You're in quite the conservative mode, aren't you?" Linda: You told me. Katrina Ruth: Yeah. And I'm like, "Excuse me?" Linda: I'm not conservative at all. Katrina Ruth: I'm like, "Conservative mode?" He's like, "No. I mean the car. There's conservative mode, and sports mode," and I'm like, "Okay." Linda: You were almost offended. Katrina Ruth: I nearly threw something ... Well, I was driving the car, so I couldn't really do much about it. I thought that he was referring to me as being in conservative mode. Katrina Ruth: Alright. Well- Linda: How have I ended up with this? Katrina Ruth: 'Cause I gave you the opportunity to be the speaker. Katrina Ruth: Do you know what resolve is really about? I thought I was gonna come on and speak about resolve, and stay in power, but I already wrote a blog about that when you were upstairs. Linda: Yeah. Where are you going with resolve? Katrina Ruth: Well, I wrote a blog about it. You know the little conversation we had when you sat down when I was eating dinner? Linda: Dinner? Tonight? Katrina Ruth: About staying the course, and holding out for what you really want that's inside of you. I wrote a really good blog about that, it's on my personal page. I wrote that when you went upstairs. I'm very happy with it. So, then I went to do nearly the same topic again for the live stream, which was obviously a silly idea 'cause I don't need to- Linda: That's alright. [inaudible 00:49:40]. Katrina Ruth: Yeah. But I've kind of already done it now, which is probably why my mouth just opened itself like a big flapper and just said random shit that I normally wouldn't say. Linda: And you just dribbled things out. Katrina Ruth: Dribbled it out. Just dribbled it out onto the internet. Linda: That's amusing now. Katrina Ruth: But now ... Thank you Ella about the blog. I was really happy with it actually. I edited it about 18 times while I was in bed upstairs with the kids after they had fallen asleep. And now here we are, but now what I realise what resolve is about is having the resolve to be unapologetically you all the time even when you're saying something where even as you're saying it you're like, "Just shut up, just stop right there. Do not go one word further." Linda: No filter. Katrina Ruth: And then you keep going. And that's ... Well, there you go, you're either being all that you are or you're not. You're either speaking the truth or you've got a mask on. There's no grey area. Linda: But that's the thing. We were talking about masks yesterday. We were talking about being unapologetically you. What's the point even being someone else 'cause you're not living your own life. Katrina Ruth: Exactly. Linda: What's the point about that? Katrina Ruth: But it's a constant [inaudible 00:50:48], isn't it? Because we're both so committed to being unapologetically ourselves, and we both really seek to be transparent online and to speak our truth, and we do. We both message so authentically. But yet you still continue to notice, day by day areas where you're holding back. Linda: Like yesterday. Oh my God this moment. Katrina Ruth: Right. Linda: And I shared it on that live stream yesterday [inaudible 00:51:10]. Katrina Ruth: Yes. That you shared ... you've gotta watch the cape live stream from yesterday if you missed it 'cause Linda shared about that. But even like what I was saying earlier and then like, "Fuck, why am I saying this?" And then it's like, but I'm just saying the truth, but it was like the next level of vulnerability or an area that I wouldn't normally quite confess to. Katrina Ruth: And then you notice that though and the problem is ... here's the problem ... it's not really a problem but it can feel like a problem. The problem is- Linda: I remember once you said something on an audio, "The problem is that I don't have a problem." Or something. Wasn't it something along the lines? Katrina Ruth: No. I think I said my only problem is that I think I have a problem. Linda: Okay. [crosstalk 00:51:46]. Katrina Ruth: Yeah. So, the problem is, what I said earlier on this training, which I'm still like, "Oh my God, I can't believe I said that, that was so stupid. Or embarrassing, or whatever," that now that I've said it thought, I've made myself aware of an area where I wants being fully transparent. Because before I said it I was like, "La, di, da. I'm totally open. I'm authentic as fuck." Linda: As fuck. Katrina Ruth: "I'm the most authentic person on the internet. I tell all the things, I say all the things." And then your mouth is like, "We'll just see about that bitch. How about this one thing that you haven't told anybody?" And then it just pops out. Linda: It dribbles out. Katrina Ruth: My soul just [inaudible 00:52:27] it forth without any prior permission. There was no application put in, is it okay that we speak about this? The soul just does what it wants. So then once it's come out you can't un-know now. I can't take that back. Not that I would, but I now can't un-know. I'm not conscious in a way like, "Oh shit. Here's an area where I've been, kinda, sort of, pretending," but I was buying ... you know you buy into your own bullshit? Linda: Oh yeah. It was fun. Katrina Ruth: Because I would never, and you would never consciously not be transparent. We're always transparent, but it's just a never fucking ending process of dropping into deeper layers of transparency and authenticity. Linda: There's always another lever. Always another layer. It's like I'm finally fully connected to self. I'm finally totally owning every part of me and being me unapologetically, then there's another layer like steak slap almost that just surprises you, goes, "Holy shit. I didn't even know that was there. I didn't know that about myself that that was there. Katrina Ruth: Yeah. Linda: And then you wanna share it. Katrina Ruth: And then once you know though, you can't un-know. And then once you've spoken about it to your audience that's saying you've brought an opposite topic of conversation, then it's like ... sorry, I'm standing on your scarf somehow ... then it's like the doors are open and then the flood gates are open, and it's like, "Well, shall we now continue to talk about this? Maybe, maybe not." But either way it's open. Linda: It's open. Katrina Ruth: It's a new level of transparency. Linda: Once you opened the can of worms you can't ... Katrina Ruth: The worms are coming out. They just come out. They just go everywhere. All throughout the whole house. It's disgusting. Linda: You're disgusting, talking about worms. Katrina Ruth: You brought it up. What? Linda: What? Katrina Ruth: Well, so I think resolve is the resolve to be unapologetically you. It takes courage. It takes a massive fucking amount of courage to remain ... Well to remain ... it takes a massive amount of courage to decide to be all that you are and to share that with the world. Linda: It does. Katrina Ruth: But then it takes a massive amount of ongoing courage to continue to be you because particularly when we are growth oriented we are always ... there's always new areas of vulnerability to go to. Linda: 100%. Katrina Ruth: And there's always gonna be an element of resistance around, "Do I really wanna share that with the world?" Linda: It is an ongoing process. Katrina Ruth: But I don't think you have to share everything. I don't think there's a rule that you've gotta share every single thing as a messenger, right? Linda: No. Not everything. Katrina Ruth: I think [inaudible 00:55:00] what comes out needs to come out. That's my personal rule. Linda: And the things that you wanna share but that you might find an element of, "I'm a bit afraid to share that," but you know that you wanted to share it but you're afraid of that, that's what you should definitely share. Katrina Ruth: Totally. You always know what you're meant to share. Often times clients will tell me about a situation in their life that's very vulnerable, or very intimate, or whatever it might be. And they'll say, "Should I write about this? Because I'm not being authentic if I don't write about it or something like that." And I'm like, "Well, no. There's not a rule that you have to share all your shit. That's not a rule." To me personally ... well, [inaudible 00:55:36], but for me personally the rule is, if it's coming out of me like it wants ... if it's dribbling out as Linda would say ... I prefer to say if it's being unleashed, I think it sounds more bad ass than dribbling ... if it's unleashing itself, if it wants to share itself, like I look at the message as its own entity, right? Linda: Entity? Katrina Ruth: Like it starts to come out of you. Like that just came out of me. I was like, "Stop. Stop." I was like a zip up emoji but it didn't work. It just went- Linda: As if you even have a filter on you. You don't have a filter on you. Katrina Ruth: I never said that before. Linda: I don't think you do. Does she? I don't know. I don't hang around with her every live stream. Katrina Ruth: I say some [inaudible 00:56:16]. Linda: But I hear it all behind the scenes. Katrina Ruth: Yeah. You do. Katrina Ruth: I say some pretty full on shit. Linda: I'm like, she does not have a filter. Katrina Ruth: That exact particular area I've somewhat got it in what I say or don't say. For reasons. But I think that my rule is that once it starts to come out, I have to get out of the way and let it out. My job is to be the vessel, not to be in charge of which bit of the message gets to come out. So, I'm not gonna ever deliberately make myself say something just because I could. I'm not like, let me write down all my inner most shit every day and then share it with the internet. No. I just share what comes out. Katrina Ruth: So, then if a new area of vulnerability starts to present itself to the world, and dribbles forth, than my job is to get out of the way and let it, and shut the fuck up and let it. Linda: See? It is dribble. Katrina Ruth: Dribble. It's a true thing. Linda: It just comes out. Katrina Ruth: I wouldn't have built this business if I didn't learn to get out of my own way and let the message be the message. I say it to my clients all the time, "Let the message be the message. Let the art be the art. You don't decide." Linda: You're just the messenger. Katrina Ruth: You are. You are. You don't decide, "Is that an appropriate message or should I say that, or can I say that?" Linda: Hi beautiful Claire. Katrina Ruth: You let it out. Katrina Ruth: Hello. I already said hello to you but hello again. Linda: Claire you were on my live feed earlier, on my training earlier. And now you're here. Katrina Ruth: She said that. Linda: We just swap from one thing to another. Katrina Ruth: She was saying that when you first came down. Linda: That's so cool. That training was so good. Katrina Ruth: Bad ass. Linda: That was bad ass. Katrina Ruth: Well ... Linda: There's a lot od dribble that came out, in and out on that one. Katrina Ruth: There you go. Resolve to be unapologetically you. That's my message for you this evening. Linda: We got there in the end. Katrina Ruth: I got there in the end. I revealed many things that I had no intention of revealing. Feel a little exposed, but it's nothing new. It's just what I'm here for. I'm merely here to serve and to apparently just reveal my most inner most shit to the internet for the entertainment of everybody else. So, I hope you appreciated it. Katrina Ruth: You can send me gifts. It's PO BOX 861, Surfers Paradise, Queensland 4217. Linda: She's actually serious too. Katrina Ruth: Yeah. Everybody does. I like bordeaux, Guylian Seashell chocolates ... Linda: [inaudible 00:58:45]. Katrina Ruth: I got a lot of that. You already gave me some last week. Linda: Almond butter. Katrina Ruth: Yeah. Linda: Peanut butter. Katrina Ruth: Peanut butter I'm not supposed to have too much but it is good. Linda: But certain brands. Katrina Ruth: I feel like I could have a new cape at some point. Linda: Do you have chocolate? Katrina Ruth: We didn't have that much ... there might be a box of Guylians Seashells in the bedside drawer of your bedroom upstairs actually from when I was sleeping in there the other week. Linda: Oh. I know her dirty secrets. Katrina Ruth: What else do I like? What would I like for a gift? Linda: Onions. Katrina Ruth: No fucking onions. Linda: No onions. Katrina Ruth: Send a criovacced fillet. Buffalo. I'd like some bison. Send some freaking Canadian meat please. We got plenty of sweets here already. Linda: What kind of meat are we talking about? Katrina Ruth: Bison. Brandon sent me a bison. Send it criovacced, or whatever the word is. You know where it's shrink wrapped. Linda: You're asking me meet questions? Katrina Ruth: I'm sorry. Linda: How dare you? Katrina Ruth: I'll take some bordeaux, some seashell chocolates, I'll take a bison, please have it sliced first, I don't wanna have to deal with that, and I'll take another cape. Linda: There's one here. Katrina Ruth: Rainbow colour like Josephs technicolour dream coat. And I need a new sceptre. This one's looking wonky. Linda: Is that what's it's called? Katrina Ruth: Yeah. It's a sceptre. Linda: I didn't know that. Katrina Ruth: It looks a little wonky. Linda: English is my third language, so I'm still learning. Katrina Ruth: Third? Linda: Mm-hmm (affirmative)- Katrina Ruth: What's the second one then? Linda: Swedish is first. Katrina Ruth: Oh Swedish. Linda: Yeah. I went to a Swedish school and Finnish is second. English is third. Katrina Ruth: English is my first language. I have other languages too. Linda: Like? Katrina Ruth: Nobody knows I speak other languages. I'm listening to you always when you're speaking and you think I can't understand you. I'm reading your sales pages too in your other languages. I know many things. Many things. Linda: She speaks the language of the soul. Katrina Ruth: And I would like ... I would really like a purple MacBook. This is rose gold, which is quite nice. Linda: Is there a purple one? Katrina Ruth: Somebody can organise it for me, I think. Can somebody organise it? I want a purple one to match all my purple. Linda: Well, you can have anything you want. Katrina Ruth: Hot pink as well. I want a hot ... Somebody send me a hot pink MacBook, PO BOX 861 Surfers Paradise, Queensland 4217, and I'll take a purple one. Linda: Can you just send it ... can we order two? I'd like one too. Katrina Ruth: Linda wants one too. Linda: I want a purple one too. Katrina Ruth: "What about a sequin dress?" They're scratchy, but I've got that silver one that I wore on my photo shoot [crosstalk 01:01:12]. Linda: That was hot. Katrina Ruth: That's upstairs stuffed into a small bag. Linda: That was amazing. It was like this almost. Katrina Ruth: It's more bling bling. I feel like there's one important gift that I'm missing. Linda: A man? Katrina Ruth: No. I already know exactly where that is, don't worry. That's it then. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go check my PO BOX and see what gifts I've received. Katrina Ruth: Alright. Well, I feel like we covered nothing at all that we intended to but as normal it was amazing. Please read the pinned comment if you like to learn how to do business like this. I don't know if it was the best advertisement ever. Do read the pinned comment, read about everything. Linda: Just do whatever you want. Katrina Ruth: Have an amazing rest of the day. We're gonna go and talk about many things about ya know. Katrina Ruth: Don't forget, life is now, press play. Linda: Bye bye.

Linda: Has it already happened? Katrina: Yeah. It still says starting. Get your head in the picture, because otherwise you're revealing the trick about our cushions. When your head when down, it just looked like a weird cushion arrangement behind us. Linda: There's some crazy talking going on over here. Katrina: Get rid of it. Kill it dead. Linda: What is this? Katrina: Is that a cage to keep humans in? Linda: Oh my God! No, he's wearing pants. Katrina: What are you doing? Linda: He's wearing pants, it's okay. But I got excited there for a minute. Katrina: Creepy cage for humans. Linda: Hello! Katrina: I'm just getting a little insight into this YouTube selection. Alright. Linda: Hi, we need to pay attention to this. We're here. Katrina: We're present and in attendance. I was on a plane like an argon, I'm just like a freaking professional. Linda: You literally just walked up. Katrina: I just walked off a plane. There might have been three full-blown temper tantrum on that plane had by one of my children. It was much wine required. Linda: And, this took a little bit of time. Let's just be - Katrina: This took a little bit of time to make the set fabulous. Wait, wait. I haven't even shared this. Only on my business page. I'm going to share it to my own page. Hang on, everybody. Just wait. You're going to have to wait. I'm just going to entertain you. Linda: I'm going to entertain you. Katrina: I'm sitting with what will come out of me, I'm unsure. Linda: We were about to call ... What were we going to call the live feed? Katrina: You wanted to call it "Whatever the Fuck Comes Out." Which is actually very accurate. Linda: Yes, we have this amazing set up going on. Katrina: It is amazing, look at it. Hang on, we've had a cushion fail. Linda: Oh my God. Katrina: There's been a cushion fail already. Linda: Fail. Katrina: Hello, hello, hello people in my live stream. Linda: Hello, kids and hello people in mine. We should introduce each other. Katrina: Oh that's an idea. People could just figure it out. Linda: People could just figure out who we are. It would be pretty cool if I choose you to my people. My people. You introduce me to your people. Katrina: That's impressive between peoples. Begin, begin. Begin while I share this. I'm going to share it into my group and then to my other page. Linda: Aw look, that's us. Katrina: We look amazing. It is what it is. Linda: Katrina Routh is a serial internet breaker. Katrina: That's actually true. She just wrote me a small, beautiful card. And in there it's some flowers and my favourite chocolates, and some vegemite. Linda: She deserves it, let's face it. Katrina: I came home to this little, I'm going to call it an alter, to me. But in the card- Linda: It was an expression of love. Katrina: But in the card she said, "to the woman who breaks the internet every day." Linda: I did, I did. Katrina: It was beautiful, actually. Thank you. Linda: No worries, well thank you. For having me in your space. But I mean, who wouldn't want to have me in your space. Katrina: All the time. Thank you M.D. alright, last introduction. I think I [inaudible 00:03:22] your introduction. Linda: You did. That's all she cares. No, I'm kidding. Katrina: You can figure the rest out. Linda: She breaks the internet, apart of that, she's my soul sister friend and she's a kick ass entrepreneur. I really, really honour and admire how much she's standing on truth and just kick ass on the internet. Katrina: And all. Thank you. For those who don't know the amazing, talented, and fabulous Linda Docta, here she is. I've prepared her in the flesh earlier. Many of you know us both and follow us both, but for those who don't know, Linda is one of the ... I'm going to say it this way, because this is the simplest way to explain just how highly I think of this one. Linda is one of the few people in the world whose post I consistently read because she's an incredible messenger and writer. And you know, I'm a content creator, not a consumer. I don't consumer a lot of content from other people. I do consume some people. I consumer some people, and I consume some people's content. But Linda's posts are incredible. She's an incredible [inaudible 00:04:37]. You're one of the few people who is not afraid to say what's actually inside of her, and to share what's coming from the soul. As you know, that's what I believe its all got to be about. That's just one reason why we gt along so well. We have a relationship that is predominately on, somewhat, almost an embarrassing amount of audio messages per day. That goes back and forth from all around the world. Linda: They do. Even in the house. When was it? Before you went to Melbourne. You were downstairs, I was upstairs. And you were audioing me and listening to my audio. Katrina: So we don't hang out in person that often, but Linda's here staying in my home for a few days before she jets off again. And often, I don't know, I'm over in American and she's in Sydney, or I'm in Bali and she's in Melbourne, or wherever we are. Now you're going to be in other places around the world, and I'll be here. That's how it is. So we don't see each other in person that often. What just happened? Okay, Linda's phone literally just turned itself off. Katrina: Alright, well you're going to reboot your phone and we're going to start again. Linda: What is this? Katrina: That's it, you broke the internet. Linda: I did break the internet. Katrina: You can't go around saying shit like that. Linda: It's okay, I'm going to share your post onto my ... Oh. Katrina: Yeah, but that shouldn't have turned itself off. Linda: I don't know. Katrina: Oh, well that's because of that. The turned off because that turned off. Linda: Yeah, it did. Katrina: Linda's phone just completely powered itself down. Linda: We're just going to do it on one phone. Katrina: Just start it again, I reckon. So, we don't meet in person. Katrina: Would you want to put yours back on again? Do yours. Katrina: We don't meed in person too often, but then when we do, it's like no time has passed because we're speaking on audio all the time, every single day, and that's how I feel about all my soulmate people around the world. You sometimes feel confused as to when you last saw them in the physical world because you're connecting with them in other worlds so continuously, right? But anyway, she came in here, when was is? Thursday last week or something. And I'm downstairs eating my little midnight snack, as I do, standing at the kitchen bench. Katrina: Okay, let's wait until this starts again. And we'll tell the story. And I'll just tell it anyway because it might take a while to get going. Yeah so, I'm downstairs in the kitchen, which is just through there. And I'm listening to audios as I do often at 1 A.M. or something, and so then I'm listening to Linda's audio message, and then I realise she's actually upstairs in the bedroom, in one of the spare bedrooms. I'm like, "Oh my God, I'm so addicted to listening to audios from you that I'm still listening to audios from you when you're in my house, upstairs, sleeping." And then I'm writing back. Even though I'll see her in the morning at 6 A.M. I'm like, "I can't wait for that, I'm going to need to audio now." Linda: Peoples! We broke the internet. Yes, I already did tag that girl. She's tagged. Peoples, we already broke the internet. Katrina: Linda's phone spontaneously combusted itself. Linda: It did. Katrina: Self-combusted. So, anyway. You missed the story over there on Linda's side. Linda: Sorry, guys. Katrina: Sorry about that. Linda: She was just telling an awesome story, and I kind of feel a bit like I should have gone more with my intro about you. Because that was really beautiful, thank you for that. Katrina: You made me an altar. Linda: I did. Katrina: That was pretty next level. I've got to take a photo of it, later. Linda: Oh I've got to post that stuff. But that was a beautiful expression, because what you said about speaking truth, because I'm just a reflection of you. You know that, right? You are a woman who just stands in her power, in her truth. Katrina: Thank you. Linda: And you always have been. You're just not afraid to say what's flowing through you. Katrina: It's sometimes scary, though. But thank you. Linda: Yeah, no it's amazing. I admire that. Katrina: Well it's been agreed we're both amazing. I just think we can finish there. Linda: See you, later. Cheers! Katrina: Cheers to being amazing. Linda: Cheers. And this is funny because I never drink. [inaudible 00:08:37] Katrina: Never, never. Linda: I feel so naughty. Katrina: Continually breaking the internet now. Well my new programme is part of the internet, so it's only appropriate. But, it is so relevant because the more you stand in your power and in your truth, isn't it true that you're just going to attract in those soulmate people who stand in their truth, and so then you honour that person, like I honour you, for the way you sharpen them, you're honouring me. And then it's just going to turn into a never ending cycle of we both think the other one is amazing, which means that it's a reflection of us. Linda: Yeah! Katrina: It just keeps going. Linda: It's like, you're amazing. No you're amazing. You're amazing. Katrina: Exactly. Linda: And then, it ends up being an altar on the kitchen table. Katrina: You end up coming home off a flight from the other side of the country, and you walk in and your soul sister forever finds you an altar on the kitchen table, vegemite included in the altar. Linda: You know what I should have done? I should have just laid myself down on the table, naked. Katrina: You're reminding me of this thing from Sex and The City, where the guy lays ... No, she's about to lay down naked with sushi all over her body. What's his name? The young guy that she's dating? And then he doesn't come home, though. And then she's laying there on the table for hours covered in sushi, and he just never comes home. He comes home like four hours later or something. And she's still laying there covered in sushi. Katrina: Okay, I was going to do a nice segue into the conscious relationships conversation, but instead we're talking about Samantha from Sex and the City covered naked in sushi. Linda: See, we should have called it Whatever the Fuck comes out. Katrina: Well we were just saying, it is the perfect union to the topic of conscious relationships, which may or may not be what we talk about. Because it will be whatever the fuck comes out. Linda: Exactly. Katrina: But that's ... People say to me all the time, I'm sure you hear this as well. But probably one of the most common things I do hear from people in my community is what an amazing friendship, when they see me with my soul sister friends, right? Like I'll get comments on that a lot, like, "Wow, what an incredible, beautiful friendship." Okay, oh my God. Jermaine literally just wrote what I'm talking about. She wrote, "Gorgeous ladies, #soulmatefriendgoals." Linda: Aw, that's amazing. Thank you. Katrina: So I hear that all the time because I do only have women in my life who are deep, soul sister connected friends. Deep soul sister, however you want to say it. And that's definitely ... Katrina: Okay, you have a marriage proposal over there. I think we should address it. Linda: Aww. Katrina: That's not a wall, actually, Maria, that's a painting that my sister-in-law painted for me. It's not a wall, it's a painting. Linda: Do we need to address this marriage proposal? Katrina: Linda's been proposed to. Linda: I've been proposed to. Katrina: On her live steam. Linda: What should I say? Katrina: We'll consider your offer. We'll get back to you. Linda: Let me sit with it. Katrina: What does your soul say? Linda: Stop, stop now. Stop now. Katrina: What does your soul have to say about this? What are we going to talk about? Where is this conversation going? Linda: I don't know. Katrina: Do you think that life just gets better and better and easier and easier? Linda: I think so. Katrina: Do you think that we have almost an inappropriate amount of fun, except that nobody realises that you meant to have so much fun all the time? Linda: Yeah but here's the thing. I go in and out of having a lot of fun and then sometimes I get very, very serious in my work. Katrina: Sometimes you get a litter angry. Linda: What do you mean? Katrina: When the passion really comes out. Warrior Linda. Linda: You've had some amazing audio from me lately. Katrina: I've seen the warrior ninja come through a few times. I've seen the [inaudible 00:12:13] ninja, as well, in fact it was doing back flips in my bedroom the other night. Linda: She calls me an "it." Katrina: I meant the ninja. I'm calling it an it, it's an extension of you. Okay, go, you were saying about getting serious. Linda: No, but I have another story. See, I swap stories. I'm a Gemini, just to let you know. I'm a Gemini, so I start a sentence, and then I never finish. And I start another one, I don't finish that either. So I start three different stories in one go. Katrina: And then meanwhile, I'll be doing the exact same thing [inaudible 00:12:46]. Linda: And then she cuts me off and we never get anywhere. Katrina: So, if you're hoping to take some kind of orderly notes from this evening's session, we're going to need to let you know that's not going to happen. But sit back, buckle up, enjoy the ride, and trust you will receive whatever it is that you'll hear divinely to receive. Linda: Whatever your soul is wanting to receive, it's always the perfect timing. Katrina: Exactly. Linda: What I was saying - Katrina: You said sometimes you get really serious. Linda: No, before that. There was another story that cuts off what I was saying. I need to finish this story, first. Katrina: Just let it come on. Linda: It comes out really fast. So, only today, because you were talking about the ninja stuff. I only got a reminder in my phone, in my memories, that it was only a year ago exactly, I was competing in the ninja championship. Katrina: Was that already a year ago? Linda: Yeah, yep. It was. Katrina: So cool. Linda: So what I was saying before the ninja, that yeah, I feel myself going in and out of having a lot of fun, and fun is one of my highest values. Katrina: Yeah. Linda: And play vibrates the same as prey. Play is one of the highest vibrations, so - Katrina: Explain that. Linda: Imagine having fun, like think about the vibration you're in when you're having fun. Like think about how you're actually feeling, there's no ego when you're just full of joy. When you just ... you're immersed in this bubble of love and joy. An ego doesn't exist in that moment, it's just an embodiment of excitement, fun, love. Katrina: You're completely present. Linda: Exactly. You're fully present. Katrina: An ego can't be there when you're completely present. Linda: No, it can't. Katrina: I just had breakthrough moment, already. Not being a smart ass, either, it sounded slightly like I was. Isn't that a powerful concept. Linda: Is it. It is. And I continue to remind myself to have fun, because sometimes I feel like, oh shit, maybe I'm just caught up too much in my serious side, or introspection. Katrina: You are one of the most fun people I know and I'll give you a case study. Linda: Case study? Katrina: Case study. Linda: I cannot guarantee what she's going to say tonight, so. Katrina: It's not that outrageous. But one time I wanted to take my friends to the indoor ... children's ... my friends? - I wanted to make my children to the indoor, you know they have the indoor play centres, right? It was a really rainy Saturday on the Gold Coast sometime last year, back in [inaudible 00:15:14]. My kids are driving me crazy, I'm like, I've got to go to the indoor play centre, but I was like, I need some adult time. I was actually just losing my shit. And I was like, "Who can I invite to come to an indoor kid's play centre with me?" And all my friends who had kids were occupied or busy already, and I'm like which of my friends who doesn't have kids could I invite to come to the indoor play centre with me? I'm like, Linda. Obviously. Katrina: So I audioed her, I'm like, "Hey do you want - it's called Juddlebugs - I'm like do you want to come to Juddlebugs?" She's like, "What's Juddlebugs?" I'm trying to describe it, I'm like "There's like a netting thing you get trapped in and you fall down, and there's slides and you can shoot people and then there's a foam pit." And she's like, "How have I never heard of this?" Linda: And I was going off on you. How dare you not tell me there's a place called Juddlebugs? How dare you? Katrina: But we had the best afternoon. We got trapped upside down in the spiderweb for an unreasonable ... We nearly did a live stream up there. Linda: We did, almost. Katrina: That would be inappropriate. But you are a fun orientated person and I think I've learned a lot about having fun. Kids themed party for adults, that's an awesome idea, AJ. Linda: Oh, yeah. Was I having this conversation with you, AJ? We need to create, yeah you were only saying that the other day at breakfast, yesterday. Katrina: Yeah, I've learned a lot about having fun from you, but I think that that concept of there being no ego in it, is really, really interesting and really powerful. And it's a reminder that if we can get into being present, then I think ... Okay, fun is one thing, then I think we also, that is the place where we access our highest [inaudible 00:16:53] areas, in terms of, for example, greatest creative flow, right? I know that when I get into silliness, playing, silliness, being frivolous, maybe a little bit reckless, or kind of making a fool of yourself, that sort of thing, sometimes I don't know, I'd be curious to know if you feel this way, sometimes when I get really silly and really kind of frivolous and lighthearted, I'll feel a slight shame feeling afterwards. For self-consciousness, where I feel a little - Linda: Like you're judging yourself? Katrina: Do I embarrass myself, did I make a fool of it? Linda: The ego comes back in? Katrina: Yeah, the ego's coming back in afterwards. But then, at the same time, and I'll notice it afterwards, and it feels kind of like a walk of shame type of feeling. Like, did I really do that? And the thing is though, that I don't allow that to infiltrate me and stop me from going wherever I go in my energy when I'm on a live stream, for example, or whatever it is I'm doing in any situation. Because I know that I get into such an amazing creative flow and I get all the downloads when I'm in that place. But then afterwards, my human mind will come back in and be like, "Oh you probably pushed it a little too far," or, "You're making a fool of yourself," or, "People probably think you're off your head." All my judgements come through. Linda: Yeah, yeah. Katrina: But I still do it. I still do it. I notice them and observe them. I'm like, "Okay, thank you for showing up and telling me all the reasons I'm not good enough. I'm going to keep going anyway." Linda: Yeah, yeah. It's amazing to be your own observer. Here's the thing, we all have an inner child within us. We all have an inner child, and sometimes when we get in on this conscious journey of growth and conscious growth and there's ego and then there's a spiritual ego that can come and slap - Katrina: Oh, that's a [crosstalk 00:18:39]. Linda: Yeah, yeah. So I've definitely been wacked left, right, and centre by the spiritual ego sometimes. As you start moving through this experience, you go into that judgement of, "Now I can't be silly because I'm conscious or spiritual." Katrina: Ah, I so nearly put a post up tonight, I'm not even kidding, the only reason I didn't post this on Facebook an hour ago is because I just posted to say we're going to do this. Linda: Well, see, who's a mind reader. Katrina: And I nearly wrote something like, "Be careful not to get so fucking involved that you can't," I don't know. I can't even remember what then ending of what I was going to say is. That like, you become so freaking involved that your whole thing is how involved you are. Linda: Yeah. Katrina: Be careful of the ego that is attached to walking around being like, "Oh I've had all the ego deaths." Yeah, but that's ego, so. And we all do it. Spiritual ego. Linda: Yeah, it's a very interesting concept and to ... I love being my own observer of just allowing myself to be with ease, I don't go into judgement that often. I'm like, "Okay, that was a fascinating, internal response." Katrina: Right, that's similar to what I'll say to myself, like curiosity. Linda: Yeah, it's like, okay. Katrina: Observation. Linda: Okay, that was fascinating. I'm interested why I responded internally that way. Katrina: Yeah, that was an interesting [inaudible 00:20:06]. Linda: And still, I've moved away from that judgement , I'm just like, "I wonder where that came from?" Katrina: Yeah, that's actually really similar to ... I talk about that a lot with clients, as well. I definitely still have those self judgmental reactions come through, but the way that I persist them is curiosity or lightheartedness. My two favourite ones. Linda: Really important. Katrina: When I say lightheartedness, let's say you said something or did something, maybe on a Facebook live like this, or maybe in a one-on-one conversation with somebody, and you really feel that you went quite far with vulnerability and you exposed yourself, and then you go out of that situation and you feel like a need to protect yourself or you feel like maybe you went too far and you put yourself in some vulnerable space or place, and then maybe the judgements comes up, like it could either be, "Yeah, well that was an interesting choice, I wonder why I chose to do that, let me get curious about that," or it could literally be like, "Oh, how silly, how cute. That's really funny, I wonder why I chose that." Or it could even be you did something that really caused some sort of sabotage, right? We've both spoken publicly many times about backgrounds of self-sabotage, and then those old patterns can sometimes try to continue to knock on the door. Many times, people ... I don't want to call it relapse, maybe not the best word, not my favourite word anyway. But many times, people will pick up an old sabotaging pattern and then they'll tend to feel like, "I'm bad, and I'm weak willed, and I got to hate on myself, and why did I do this?" Katrina: And instead, and I speak about this a lot with a lot of clients who have struggled with binge eating and if the binge eating comes back ... I have bulimia for 10 years, so I understand it, right? And they'll be like, "Oh my God, this is fucked up, what did I do?" And I'm like, "Wait no, what if instead, it was 'Oh, wow. I wonder why you needed that? Let's get curious about that. What was it inside you that needed that?'" Or also, even to smile about something that perviously felt so heavy and to make it lighthearted. It takes the power out of it and actually gives you back your power. Linda: Yeah, yeah. And conscious, when I say, because we said in the title "Conscious Relationship" it's not just conscious relating with another person or in an actual partnership or relationship, it's also how we're consciously relating to ourselves and what kind or relationship we're having to ourselves. Katrina: 100% Linda: And I think that's even more important to dive into, because if you don't understand yourself, then how can you consciously relate to another human being, if you don't understand your own ways of internal response and dimension and your operation system. Katrina: Yeah, I love that, and it's funny because I think when we said we'd talk about conscious relationships, we said that to each other earlier today, and I think we sort of thought, relationships with other people, but when I was on the plane just before, I was thinking, I feel like this is going to be more about the relationship with self, because the place that we create epic relationships with other people from, even an amazing friendship, an amazing client-mentor relationship. I always say that my clients, so many clients, it wasn't always that way. It could be a romantic relationship, as well. All the different relationships. In order to call it or allowing or flowing to incredible incredible conscious relationships with other individuals, we have to first be in an incredible conscious relationship with our own selves. Linda: Absolutely. Katrina: And in a space of non-judgment, understanding, compassion, and full acceptance. Linda: I only wrote a blog about that this morning. That I got inspired by someone who asks me yesterday, "Linda, why haven't you been swept off your feet yet?" And I didn't get triggered or anything like that, it just simply inspired me to talk about it openly and to express myself why that is, and just put a little slightly different perspective on it, as well. And take it into the relating with self, because if we want someone to show up for us, if we want someone to be present with us, we have to be present with ourselves, first. We have to show up for ourselves, first. Linda: Quite often, we're longing for something, we're wanting, we're even needing. So there's a needing ness and you are filling a void within us, that we haven't even actually given ourselves. And if we're not giving ourselves, then how can we truly experience that outside of ourselves? Katrina: Well you learn you receive from others what you're giving to yourself. That's the reality. So if you feel, maybe sometimes you get frustrated or angry, this happens a lot with coaches and with their clients, and it happens with men and women in romantic relationships, it even happens in friendships and family dynamics, also. I guess I hear it fairly frequently in the coaching industry, "I seem to have all these clients who are behind on their payments," or whatever, right? Some sort of pardon like that. And it's always like, "Okay cool, this is great, this is great feedback and information because this is a great opportunity to look at where am I not honouring myself?" Linda: Absolutely. Katrina: And yeah, the think with relationships that I think sometimes we all forget, I know give forgotten this or put it aside at times, is there'll always be instability there. The goal is not to get to some sort of place of done, sorted, everything's predicted and predictable. Imagine how fucking boring that'd be, anyways. But it's growth, relationships are there for our growth, right? Exactly, AJ just that's where we attractively show our voids. Linda: Yeah. Katrina: So when you have people in your life, any area of your life, who you feel like their causing you to feel something, it's always "Wow, thank you, because this allows me to see an area in myself where I wasn't paying attention, where I wasn't honouring myself." Can I give an example that's a little bit naughty? Of course I can. Linda: Are you asking for permission? Katrina: I don't know. I don't know. When I was on the live stream last week, Chris told me not to swear, I was like, "What?" But it's because we were going to use it for a Facebook ad. I'm like, "Mother fucker." He's like, "You can't swear." I'm like, "What do you mean I can't swear?" Katrina: Okay, so I had an awareness only very recently, actually. I had always thought, not always, but I had frequently felt frustrated that when I have sex with Mare, he would very rarely pay attention to my breasts. All men, I don't mean one individual man, right? But it was a pattern that I noticed. I felt frustrated that men would just kind of ignore my breasts. They would sometimes even just leave my top of and just go down there, and not always, but a high percentage of the time. And I definitely had a story in my head that this is because I have fairly small breast and that's the reason why. And I was 100% certain about that. And then, long story short, I realised that, "Holy shit. I never give my breasts love and attention. I never pay attention," previously never. I was never paying them attention, I was not giving them any love, any touch, any affection, I didn't really consider them ... I didn't dislike my breasts at all, actually I find them very practical for fitness reasons, but if we take that story even further back, though, and I did blog about it. Yeah, Marie, I did blog about it a week or two ago. Katrina: Because I'm actually having breast enlargement surgery in two days. And I'm so grateful I realised all this before that was coming through, right? Because that's coming from a place of desire, not from a place of trying to fill a need. But with this, if you go back even further, when I was a teenage, I had really big boobs. And when I was in my late teens. And people would comment on it often and I would wear low cut tops often, and I wasn't heavy either. I just actually had big boobs. But then I would learn from my mom, about be careful because men are going to whatever. I got the message that I was being too sexual, and I really think when I look back now, I think I manifested them way. Because now look, they're like an A cup or whatever, they're a small B, maybe. But yeah, it was just this interesting realisation of I'm walking around going, "What the fuck is with these dudes that don't take the time to touch the rest of my body because that's what I really want and that's really what opens you up as a women, to have that attention to all areas, not just, obviously." Katrina: Whether or not it's obviously, if it's not obvious, now you know. Welcome. And then I'm like, "Oh my God, holy fucking wake up call. I get to love on myself in that area." And I'm not kidding, within four days of when I started to give attention in that area and then I had a sexual experience and it was like, "Yeah, I'm like ..." Linda: But see, this flows into all areas of life. It's not just what we experience with relationships. It's actually in all areas. So I'm just going to invite you into a moment of introspection and to really reflect on in what area of your life are you feeling that, "Oh I'm not receiving what I'm actually wanting?" And you're kind of blocking yourself from that. In what area of you're life, is it maybe money, it is money stuff? What's your relationship with money, how you speak to money, what do you feel about money? If you're someone who wants to contentiously create that or you want to consciously create a beautiful relationship, or experience certain things. Then you have to look inside, first, and check in, are you giving yourself that? That was a beautiful example. That was a really beautiful example. Katrina: And that's a physical example, but it's also with the emotional stuff. Linda: Yeah, yeah. Katrina: And any time we're looking for something to fill a need in us, money is a great example, if I had that money then I'd be safe, I'd be free, then I'd be credible, then I'd be good enough. It's always like, "Oh, wow." As soon as you realise that, how can I give that to myself. Well actually, how you can give any of these things to yourself is to decide to. It's not something you've got to go out and work for. You can do it in this moment. Linda: Absolutely. It's simply a choice. It's decision to do so in an instant because we can so easily get caught up, and like you said before, when I get there, then I'll be good enough. When I lose this weight, then I'll feel good enough, or then I'll feel beautiful. Or that was just one example. Katrina: Or when I make the money then I'm safe or then I'm worthy. Linda: Then I'm successful. Katrina: Then I can relax in my life, then I can have fun in my life, then I can be happy. Or when somebody loves me then this, then this, then this. So anything that we're putting onto a pedestal like that, we're saying, "If I have this thing outside of myself, then I can experience and live in the emotions and energies that I desire." It causes you to actually push it away. It means that you hold the thing that you want at arms length, it's a lesson that you've got to learn. Is that you get to give that to yourself. So when you continue in that pattern, it's kind of like, "Oh, okay cool. I see that you just want to keep learning that same lesson again and again and again." Interesting choice. Linda: Isn't it interesting when the universe continues to teach you the same lessons until you learn? I'm just reflecting back on some of my own patterns, and like, oh my God. Katrina: Right, right. Linda: And it just clicks. I'm like, "Okay, well I haven't been honouring myself in that area," or "I haven't been giving myself attention in that area." Katrina: Yeah. Okay, we're back. We just froze over here. Linda: She broke the internet again. I mean, we broke it. Katrina: You put it into words on the card over there. Linda: I did. Katrina: Now it just keeps happening. Linda: We're manifesting it. Conscious creation. What was I talking about before? Going on tangents. Katrina: You were talking about how there's been times where you've noticed you learning the same lesson again and again and again. And then it's like, "Okay. I'm finally done with learning that lesson." Linda: Yeah, yeah. And the learning can be in an absolute instant. You choose to shift your internal matrix and you just chose to observe what's happening. And you chose to - Katrina: It's an instantaneous decision. Linda: Yeah, absolutely. And how quickly your outer matrix can shift with that. Katrina: Yeah. Completely. Linda: So phenomenal. Katrina: It's amazing. I mean, earlier on this week, you know I was in Bali until Wednesday. I remember Monday, I think ... Well we audio every day, anyway. But I was really feeling kind of stuck and in some heavy energies, and you know where it's up in your face, I get anxiety sometimes. And I was having a pretty extreme anxiety day, which I hadn't had in a while, and I was really just not enjoying that feeling of it. But at the same time, I remember I walked into the gym and I remember saying to myself, "This will shift. As much as in this moment of insane anxiety and feeling frustrated or whatever it was that I was experiencing, as much as that felt real." I was so aware, I guess, from all the work that I've done over the years and the way I live my life, I was like, "This could shift any moment." And from now on I might feel on top of the fucking world and completely understand all my madness and why I was making something into a really big thing. Or I might stay in a state or feeling stuck and anxious and frustrated or trapped or whatever for the whole day, and either what it's okay, either way it is what is, and that's all it is, and that's okay. Katrina: But I think that sometimes when we're in that state of feeling like, "Why can I have what I want and why is money evading me or why is this happening or why is my business here or why are my relationships like this or whatever," that we get so caught up in this kind of story of "This is not fair and why am I getting [inaudible 00:34:18] this instead of just being like this could change in an instant based on your own thoughts," I don't mean based on something happened. I mean based on you suddenly get some new perspective and on that day earlier this week, I said just kind of a simple loose intention in my mind that this will get to shift and that they'll be a way for me to be empowered by this situation that was causing me to feel a bit panicked, and I felt like, "How could that happen?" Because there is something that makes me feel upset. Katrina: And I'm not kidding, like two hours later, I was like, "Holy shit, wow. I feel so grateful for this now because I just realised how I'm not addressing whatever area inside of and that I now get to learn about this, and oh my God, I'm so glad that this happened to cause me to go into this anxiety of this crazy tail spin." I had to sit in it and marinate in it and it didn't feel fun, but even when you're in that state, like we know that it's for our greater good, right? Linda: Always. Katrina: So we might be like, "Ah this feels like shit. This has been dragged through the ringer, and put on a freaking spin cycle and then you go ten rounds after that, and then somebody" ... But you still know that it's for your learning and growth. So even in the mists of the worst of it, you're like, "And I'm getting fucking strong as a mother fucker." Watch me grow. Linda: Watch me grow, watch me expand. Katrina: We talk about this all the time. Linda: We do, we do. I think it's really powerful how we can go into, even when we're triggered, so this is the thing, previously the gratitude always comes after, the learning comes after. You're not going to get clarity and learning and wisdom when you're full of emotion. You need to left that shift. You need to be with it. But can you be your own observer at the same time? And instantly, while you're having that experience of, "I feel really shit. I feel really challenged." Can you be your own observer and go, "Hey I'm still grateful, because I'm being shown something that I'm not quite getting yet. Katrina: Right. I don't know what it is yet, but I know that it's here for a reason. Linda: It's here for a reason, it's here for my greater good, and I get to learn something. I get to be a better version of myself as I come through this. Katrina: Yeah. It's just when I'm triggered, I'm secretly happy because I know I'm healing. Linda: Yeah. I love that. I love that expression. Katrina: Well even on the plane just then, my four year old had three next level tantrums on the flight that were just so bad, so full on. I'm first I was conscious as fuck. I'm using conscious communication with my child, everybody probably so impressed by me. I was staying super calm, I was very proud of myself, right? And I got him through the first tantrum. Katrina: But then he had another one. And I felt myself start to break a little bit. I was like, "Fucking." I didn't say that, but that's what I was feeling, right. I was going to be like skanky bogan mom on the plane. But I didn't. But I was feeling it. But it was so full on. He's just like that when he's not ... he's a free spirit. Linda: Auntie Linda never gets those attacks, let's just leave it like that. Katrina: You can freaking fly with him. But honestly, at the same time, there was this small part of me that was like, "I'm becoming a warrior right now as a mother." I'm learning and growing. Okay he did break me a little bit, there was one point when the stewardess come up and I may have just been sitting on the tray table ignoring him while he jumped up and down in the seat and threw a marinate sauce on the guy in front of me. Linda: What? You didn't tell me that part. Katrina: I didn't have time to tell you anything, I got home and we went straight into the live stream. It was a small moment there where I was like, "I'm just going to pretend this is not happening and I'm not even going to try to do anything about it." Linda: As he was throwing sauce at people. Katrina: And the stewardess is like, "Could you stop standing up on the seat, please, the captain's going to come out and get you." And he was like, "No he's not." But he goes, "Never!" He refuses to sit. Linda: I love Nathan, he's just so unapologetic in his stuff. Katrina: Yeah and then she's like, "Wow, he's quite stern mood isn't he?" I'm like ... Linda: He's just unapologetic. He doesn't take no for an answer. Katrina: I really did break a little bit. I was like, "This is too hard. I just want to drink my wine and write in my fucking journal." Linda: I honour all the moms out there, honestly. I really honour all the moms because I don't have kids myself, yet, it might be an experience that I get to have in this lifetime, it may not, you know, either way I'm okay. But it's beautiful to watch from a distance. Katrina: Honestly, even through that, I'm just like, you go into this place when that shit happens on a plane where you're like, "I'm just going to choose to not allow anyone else' perceptions to impact me right now. I'm going to be in my space, with my child doing the best I can fucking do and now worrying about what everybody else is thinking about it." But there was definitely that part of me that was like, "I'm growing from this experience." And it's like what AJ just said about when you get triggered, and yeah, anything shit's going on for us and we always share what we're working through and what we're processing and stuff that's coming up. Linda: But we still have our tantrums, as well. Katrina: Ah, yeah. Linda: Some of our audience, like yesterday - Katrina: Sometimes we're extraordinarily immature. Linda: Oh my God. I just make - Katrina: Yesterday was an interesting day. Linda: Oh my God. But we also have these tantrums. Conscious tantrums. It's hilarious. Katrina: #concioustantrums. We do. It's release. Linda: Yeah, it is. Katrina: The thing is, even when we're having a tantrum through, we're aware and we know what we're doing. Linda: Yeah. Katrina: And we talk about it, usually at the same time. Not even afterward. But you won't be like, "losing your shit," or "I'm losing my shit," or whatever, and in the same audio, we're like, "Oh, well then I also understand that blah blah blah." And it's like, people don't talk like that normally with their friends. We give ourselves credit and give yourself credit if you are catching yourself, even a little bit. Because it's not about being so fucking involved that you're not in a human experience at all. But I think that one of the most powerful things is to be able to catch yourself and to notice it. Linda: Absolutely, absolutely. And like I said, be that own observer on the side. And go, "Okay, I'm allowing myself to just be [inaudible 00:40:56], I'm allowing myself to be with this." Katrina: Right. Linda: I'm allowing myself to be a little brat. And like I was saying yesterday, I just want to fucking kick and scream. But I'm not going to. [crosstalk 00:41:07]. And then just verbalise it, which is an expression of releasing. What was I saying? I either feel like having two litres in wine and I hardly ever drink or I want to have two litres of ice cream, which is not an option, or give me a bucket of peanut butter, or - Katrina: What is that, that's on the table over there? Linda: Where? Katrina: That packet of interesting items that I threw on the table down there. Linda: It's for you, my dear. Katrina: Did you buy me peanut butter? We needed some peanut butter in this house. [inaudible 00:41:43] Linda: We have peanut butter cuddles. Katrina: Well, you know what, what do you think ... peanut butter orgasms are also a thing that people need to be aware of. But that may be a topic for another live stream. But what do you think about, we were talking before about having fun and how important fun is, so fun is something that's often thought of as a childhood type thing, right? Children naturally know how to really be in a set of higher fun. Well children are also fabulous at having next level temper tantrums. So do you think it's just totally okay to be ... if you're going to be in that child energy of play and fun and lightheartedness and frivolity, why don't you get ... This is still live, Patrick - Linda: Yeah, it's life. Katrina: No need to replay. Why don't you get to also ... Well you don't necessarily get to lay down on the floor in the airport like my son does and kick and scream. Linda: But could you imagine though? Next time we go travelling, we should ... you have the phone, I'll do the thing. Honestly, we can do some skits. Katrina: That would be hilarious. [crosstalk 00:42:51]. I want the fucking peanut butter! They took my peanut butter off me at security! Totally. But it's actually not that funny because we're talking about, as adults, we learn to restrict our expression of our emotion. Linda: Right. Yeah. And we get so suppressed, but it's a form of release and no wonder we're so programmed to repress and not express ourselves, no wonder all of the sudden all these things are bubbling up inside, and then we just snap at the smallest little thing because we haven't been taught how to express ourselves. We haven't been taught how to create healthy containers to release our emotions and the energy from our bodies. And here's the thing, our physical bodies are going to store emotion and if we're not creating healthy containers to let go of that and to constantly release, like crying is a form of release, and we've even made crying bad. That crying is weak. Katrina: Right, right. It's a method as well. Linda: It's a mode of healing. Katrina: Absolutely. But it's also, if you continue to hold back what you're acting thinking and feeling from yourself, nevermind the other people in your life, then actually over time, you accidentally created yourself into a version of yourself which is not the real you. Linda: Yeah. Katrina: Because every single time you make a choice to respond from, "This is how I should show up or behave in this situation, as opposed to this is my true self, my true soul," you just made a small adjustment off track. And if you're doing that day by day, multiples times throughout the day, you kind of cultivating yourself into being this service based, masked version of yourself. And so then you wonder, why your relationships aren't working, why you can't seem to attract in those ideal soulmate clients, if you're an entrepreneur. I had a client a year or so ago say something about there's always these conflicts like friendships, and at the time I was like, "Wow, I don't have any conflict in my friendships." Now, I'm saying I don't experience conflict ever in my friendships, but it certainly not something where ... I don't expect it or I don't really think of it as normal, right? I wouldn't expect that we are friends would have some kind of conflict. Of course it's possible, nothing's impossible, but to me that's a soul aligned relationship, whether it's client or a friend or something different in the personal life. Katrina: I don't look at that as there should be currents of turmoil. Now if there would, that would be okay as well. Because it is what it is. But it's more that when the soul connection is there, there's an actual real true understanding of who we each are as individuals. It's not based on some service masked foundation, is what I'm saying. Linda: Right, yeah. Katrina: So therefor, there's actual legitimate acceptance of each other on a soul level, not just, "Oh yeah, you say the things or do the thing or have the things in your life that similar to me and so we'll be friends." Linda: Yeah, absolutely. And I think you and I are similar in many ways, but we're also so different in so many ways, and I think I remember ages and ages ago when I was just playing at a different level of consciousness, to just observe my human connections and relationships that I had back then and it was kind of like this ego game of, "Oh why wouldn't you like that? We can't be friends now." It wasn't honouring people ad accepting people for who they were. And now that I find with all of my friends, who I connect with on a soul level, we may not agree with everything, we may not do everything the same way, but we're fully honouring each other for who we are. Katrina: Completely Linda: And accepting each other for who we are. Katrina: Yeah. Linda: And life really isn't about, like you said earlier, touched on how we tend to lose ourselves because we're told who to be and we're told how to live our life, we are operating from this mask. And we're not even ourselves. And quite often we hear this expression of I just want to go and find myself. It isn't about finding yourself. Life is about remembering who you aare. Because everything is inside of you. We've all been born a free spirit of love, we all have an inner child within ourselves, so it's the programming of society that puts you in a box and tells you how to live your life, what to believe, how to ... We're even been thought what to think. We're being thought what to feel, in this type of situation, you should feel this. Katrina: Right. [crosstalk 00:47:34] Linda: And every single part of our life is manufactured in this system. So quite often we hear about, "Oh I'm going to go around the world to find myself." We don't need to go around the world to find ourselves. We can literally sit in stillness and just think right here and start to peel back the layers of who we're not. Who we've been told to be. And that's really powerful. It's not about, "Hey I want to figure out everything at once," that's not how it works. You figure something out about yourself, start to remember who you are on certain levels. It's like the onion. You peel back one layer and then there's something else under that. Linda: We run away from ourselves, yeah. I definitely run away from myself. A lot, in fact, back in the day. Because I couldn't face and stand the person who I was. So I did everything and anything to continue to numb and escape from my reality. Katrina: Right, yeah. There's a lot of things that are on the surface that could look like fabulous life choices, travels one of them. Which people might use in some cases, for numbing or escaping, but it's all about the place it's coming from. Because it can be coming, obviously from a place of hiding value and grounding and expanding, or it could be coming from a place of hiding. Like alcohol is one example of that. Sometimes people drink alcohol to obviously escape and run and hide, and then other times alcohol is expanding a higher vibe of abundance energy, basically. So it's all about where you already are, but either way, you've got to be giving yourself everything you need. If you think going on a silent meditation or going to a retreat or doing a course or getting a coach or getting a partner or whatever it is that's going "to change everything for me, that's going to fix me, that's going to give me what I need. I need this, I have to do it." It's like, "Well cool, do it if you feel called to do it, whatever it is." But you're actually still going to need to figure out how to give that to yourself at some point. Linda: Really good point. Katrina: You're not going to get it from going to that thing, paying that person, doing that thing. Linda: Yeah, absolutely. People can guide us, absolutely, but at the end of the day, a good coach is someone who guides and teaches for you to how to heal yourself, how to be more of you, how to connect to your truth and your believes around things, and how to be your own observer. So you're not relying on an external coach all the time. Or you're not relying on another external resource. Katrina: Yeah, I read about this. I did a little [inaudible 00:50:14] as my plane was taking off about maximum abuse learnings around relationships, business and personal, and like I mentioned specifically, a mentor shouldn't be telling you what to do. I believe a mentor is to help you remember how to be your be your own [inaudible 00:50:32], but a mentor is there to be more of who you are and connect to your soul, connect to your intuition and your own guidance and wisdom. Not to tell you, "Here's the rules and you must do this in order to get this result." Linda: Yeah, absolutely. And it's powerful when you can start to tune into yourself and listen to your own soul and allow your inner compass to guide you, and I'm very big on that. Katrina: Yes. Your soul always knows. Linda: Your could always knows. I actually have to admit to one thing. This year, I ended up getting caught up with events, like person - Personal growth is one of my highest values, and I love ... I can throw my money on personal growth. Coaching, mentoring, events, all this stuff. And I found myself doing one event after another, one course after another - Katrina: Yeah you were in a - Linda: ... I'm like, "Holy shit, this is actually too much." What am I actually searching from these events? Is that thing of, "Ah, I want to expand more, I want to evolve my consciousness more. And I don't feel good enough." So that was really interesting to obverse myself in that. But I caught myself. I was completely honest with myself. I'm being honest with you here as well. It doesn't matter how much you continue to evolve, you'll never get to a stage where, "Okay, I've had enough now." Katrina: Yep. Linda: But also, be careful that you're not going the other way of "I want more and more and more." Because you can't be okay with what you have inside of you. Katrina: Right. Like learn ... yeah. Learning, growth work, is a great example of what we were just saying. A lot of people use growth work to escape from being in the now and from living their lives. In fact, you know Bali, like we're both obsessed with Bali and we both go to Bali a lot. You're leaving back again Tuesday for Bali, right? And I just came back from Bali on Wednesday and I go there every month. Linda: And you're coming back for my birthday. Katrina: I'm going back to Bali for your birthday, of course, in a few weeks. So Bali though, is a place ... There's an expression about Bali I remember hearing, it's like, it can be a place for the internal wanderer. Now, nothing wrong with being an internal wanderer, but specially there's a lot of people who go to Bali and 20 years later are still in Bali and have not, as I would call it, pressed fucking play on anything, they're just floating around freaking Bali being healed and cleansed. Bali cleanse. Linda: That is starting. Katrina: We have our own detention of what a Bali cleanse may entail. But there is. There's a lot of people in Bali who are amazing artists and messengers, but who have not put a single bit of work out in the world or barely anything. They're just caught up in their energy and the obsession and the vortex of Bali, and I'm healing and I'm learning and I'm exploring and I'm wondering. And it's like, cool, when are you going to fucking do something? Linda: Yeah. Katrina: So there's going to be that part of it, as well. Linda: Absolutely. Katrina: And Bali's a good example of that. But life is a good example of that, as well. And in this industry, for sure, you see so many people who are continually learning, continually healing, continually absorbing new content and regurgitating stuff on the internet, I guess, but when are you going to actually admit that you're scared to let what's inside of you out? And then just do it. Because that's what's going on. You're becoming addicted to the growth work as a way of escaping doing your own fucking work. Linda: Yes, and we're hiding under the spiritual masks, then we become, like we start to awaken our self worth and our beliefs are still at a level where we think that, for example, money is bad, or we can't do certain things because it's bad. And we actually have a lot of limiting believes in operating from that space, and then we just hide under this spiritual façade of spiritual masks where, oh no, no, but I'm spiritual and I'm a good person - Katrina: Bold as fuck. Linda: And we hide and we use that as an excuse to cover up and limiting where you're thinking or our low self worth and how we're operating. So we're using it as an excuse and I'm masking. Katrina: It's hiding. Linda: It is hiding. And at the end of the way, we can get so caught up in the whole, "Let's just do yoga and meditate every day and do nothing else." Katrina: Right. Linda: But at the end of the day, yes those are daily practises and very important, I believe in them very much. I'm a yoga teacher - Katrina: Yeah, journaling. Obviously I'm obsessed with journaling, I talk about it all the time, but one time I wrote a post, something like, "Put the fucking journal down. Stop fucking journaling. Go and do some work." Like, okay journaling is that work, I get that, obviously I teach that. But yeah, there's go to be those ... it's that dance, back and forth between, okay I'm going within and I'm accessing guidance and I'm learning and growing, or connecting with others who are helping me to grow. And then it's like, okay now I'm in creation mode, because as humans, we're all brought here to create. We're not brought here to consume. Consumption of content or growth or whatever - Linda: That's what we're taught. Katrina: But creation, I believe, is of higher value for the majority of us, or certainly, at least, for people in this community. We're creators. Linda: Yeah, yeah. Katrina: So are you creating or are you caught up in that continual, perpetual, wondering and seeking and never being ready to press play, and there's always something else to learn and nother fucking healing session to do, and another journaling session to do, and at some point it's like, put the journal down. Linda: Yeah, and you know, it can be uncomfortable to observe these things about ourselves and we don't always want to admit to that. But it's really powerful to just own that space and not just own your story, but own everything where you're at. First of the changes is awareness and then acceptance. Accept where you are, and go, "Okay, awesome, I acknowledge where I am now, and if I'm not aware, then how can I create change?" And like I just own up about the whole event thing. I'm like, "Oh my God, I just being going from event to event." Katrina: Well you said yes to all those events in alignment, though. Like you're the opposite of a person who doesn't do the work. But then, at a certain point, you noticed that it was too ... it was feeling like, this is not what I need. Linda: Yeah, yeah. Katrina: To be continual. But you weren't saying yes to those events in a place of trying to escape or avoid anything. It was the opposite of that. Linda: Yeah. Katrina: It was aligned to say yes, and then at a certain point it was like, "Oh, okay cool. I can learn what I need to learn here," which partly is that I don't need to go to events back to back to back to back. Linda: Oh my God. Katrina: In different cities continually. Linda: I'm having a month off, okay. A month off. Katrina: Yeah, but now, you're falling out of that and you're into more growth and time and taking actual time, it's a perfect balance, right? Linda: The integration - Katrina: You're allowing it all to just sink deeper into who you are. Linda: Yeah. The integration is a really interesting topic and I think it's a really important one to discuss because we can, for example, if you're using the event example again, we can continue to do courses, events, blah blah blah, and we take all the information in, or we do healing. But are we allowing ourselves to integrate? Are we actually applying also our learnings? We can get caught up in the personal development world, as well. We just continue to do all the courses, learn all the stuff, but are we applying it? Are we actually embodying - Katrina: Are you testing it out? Linda: ... the teachings? Are we embodying the wisdom of what we're actually being taught? Because knowledge is not power. It's what you do with the knowledge. Katrina: Yep, that applied knowledge is power. Linda: Yeah. Applied knowledge is power. Yeah, I definitely believe that, too. Katrina: Yeah. Linda: So it's powerful to observe where you are and just be up front and honest with yourself. Okay, cool, well I get to see from a different perspective. I'm going, "Okay, well I own that part of myself. And now I can create change." But if you're not accepting those parts of yourself, then you can't change it. It's like this with anything in life. If you're not accepting where you are and you're not accepting a previous experience, you can't shift from it. You have to accept it. Katrina: You have to continue to receive that same lesson until you learn it. Linda: Acceptance is part of the healing process in anything in life. Super powerful. I accept that you're here. Katrina: I'm just thinking about the Bali cleanse. Linda: On the audio you're like - Katrina: We're going to have a fabulous Bali cleanse when I come over again in a few weeks. Linda: And it is my birthday in a couple of weeks. So [crosstalk 00:59:16]. How am I going to make it? Oh yeah. 34. Age is only number [crosstalk 00:59:25]. Katrina: That's why I'm like, I think I know, but I'm not [crosstalk 00:59:27]. Linda: Yeah, it's like ... sometimes I'm friends with people, like close friends, and I'm like, "How old are you?" After couple years, I'm like, "How old are you, even?" Age is just not a thing that we know. Katrina: Not at all. Well I like that expression, I don't see faces, I see souls. It's the same with age, I think. It's a soul thing, not an age thing. Linda: Guilty on consume too much learning. Yeah, if we're not taking aligned action or applying the stuff, nothing's going to happen. We've got to step into the actual taking responsibility for our actions. Katrina: And pressing fucking play. Linda: And pressing fucking play. Katrina: Or pressing go live. This is an example, right? We're really just having a conversation here that we would have by ourselves anyhow, and we do all day, every day, and how hard is it to just go live and do it as content for your audience. It's not hard. But people make it really hard. And if you wanted to build brand for example, and then maybe you're like, "I've got all these powerful, cool stuff inside of me," and you talk about it with your friends or maybe some groups or your mentor or something like that, well, that's being stuck in the cycle of I'm learning and I'm growing and I talk about amazing, interesting things with people, but are you showing the world? Are you sharing what you're here to show the world? Linda: Yeah. Katrina: Marie says, "I'm 49 and [inaudible 01:00:51] I feel 35." Yeah, well, that's what's funny right. I would never think of you by being 49 based on what the conventional definition of 49 is. But I think, even my ... what's his name? The yoga teacher? In Bali? Linda: Yeah. Katrina: So he asked me once how old I was, because I mentioned having an eight year old, and he was like, "How old are you?" And I told him, and he was like, "Holy shit, I thought you were like 30, basically." And I've gone, "How old are you?" And he's 49, right? Linda: Ah is he 49? Wow. Katrina: I was like, wow. So then we both congratulated each other on how young we look, of course. And he was kind of talking about how people don't take care of themselves and stuff. But I said to him, "But how you look at 49 and how I look at 38 is what it's meant to be like. What if that is what 49 is suppose to look like? It's just that most people are all fucked up, basically." So it's not even that you look younger or I look younger, it's that we're the ones who have actually honoured our bodies and taken care of ourselves and this is what ... 38 is not suppose to look like what most, sorry. What most women look like at 38. It shouldn't look like. Or what most men look like at 50. It shouldn't look like that. It should be, if you took care of yourself. I don't know. That's my theory. Linda: Longevity. Katrina: My theories that when we meet people when we're shocked at their age, and that they look like, Marie's a great example of this. Marie's in my inner circle. And I've met her in person, obviously, as well. Not obvious, but I have. People like that, where you think, "How can you be that age? Doesn't make nay sense." My theory is that they look the correct way that you're suppose to look for that age, it's just that everybody else is ageing super fast because they didn't take care of themselves. Linda: Yeah, and I guess, yes the numbers are ticking in our linear timeline and we get "a year older ... pardon? Katrina: That we've been in time and space. Linda: Oh, we do. There's so many different timelines. The talk about time is just a whole other live feed again. But at the end of the day, we celebrate these birthdays, when really we're just one day older, every day. Katrina: Yeah. Linda: It's actually really interesting because we're not going to feel ... We're still this infinite soul, we're still this person that's inside of this physical body that we carry for life. We're not going to feel any different in 20 years time. We're still going to be this soul - Katrina: Everybody says that. Linda: We're still going to feel the physical restrictions because the body starts to shut down, so the only difference you're going to feel is your physical limitations that you'll eventually have because your body is getting older. Katrina: Yep. Linda: So that's why its so incredibly important to look after your physical being, health and wellness is not just - Katrina: It's not negotiable. Linda: Yeah. Yeah. And it flows into mind, body, and soul. Looking after every parts of self, and we can't continue to neglect that. Even as an 80 year old, we have child. Katrina: You look fabulous for 80. You're like, "Even as an 80 year old." You're looking fucking amazing. Linda: I met this man. I live steamed about it last night. I met this beautiful man - Katrina: The guy that you shared your food with? Linda: Yes! Yes. I want to share it again, can I? Can I? In a really, really short version. I was feeling very triggered yesterday. And I was sitting outside eating my little rice crackers and my avocado, and this elderly man, he was about 70. Katrina