The Fourth Watch Podcast

Joe Flint, Wall Street Journal media reporter, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss the state of the media industry in 2023, Amazon, Netflix, Disney, News Corp, "flyover bias," the craft of media reporting, "vibes journalism," subscription-based media start-ups, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Ari Fleischer, former press secretary and author of the new book "Suppression, Deception, Snobbery, and Bias," joins Steve Krakauer to discuss the bias and activism in journalism, suppression as form of bias, Fox News' place in the media landscape, how to fix the problems of ideological sameness in the press, elitism in the press and politics, Gavin Newsom and Bernie Sanders, how the country isn't as divided as the media makes it seem, how the media divides us, why the press took Biden to task for the botched Afghanistan withdrawal, the future (and past) of CNN, what will happen if (and when) Trump runs for president in 2024, what really happened with the media mistake on Wikileaks and Donald Trump Jr., and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It's a different sort of episode for this Fourth Watch, as John Greenewald, the founder of The Black Vault joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the important issue of UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects) and the term that is used now, UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) - and the media coverage of the topic. On the importance of transparency, the stigmatized and incurious coverage, government and intel agency coziness with the media, the bombshell December 2017 New York Times and Politico reporting on the topic, the thaw in UAP coverage, was was missing from the early reporting in 2017, the counterintelligence value of the UAP discussion, what the DNI's preliminary assessment on UAPs last year actually tells us, the first public Congressional hearing on the topic in more than 50 years last month, the need to decouple the UAP conversation from one involving "aliens" and "extraterrestrial life," the importance of FOIA, and more. And then at the end we get down to it - John's (and Steve's) theories on what the UAPs might actually be.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jane Coaston, New York Times "The Argument" host and newsletter writer, joins Steve Krakauer in a return to the Fourth Watch Podcast to talk about the media's Twitter obsession, pros and cons of the media's focus on the platform, what to expect from Trump's imminent Twitter return, narcissism and masochism of Twitter, Twitter as a window into the psyche of "important" people, Elon Musk's Twitter future, journalism as a job for nosy people, what's really behind Trump's endorsement of JD Vance and Dr. Oz (and Vance's primary victory), the story and the story about the story, bad faith focus on ancillary issues by both sides, podcasts and newsletters as intimate media platforms, sports as a culturally important media topic, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this special edition of the Fourth Watch Podcast, Steve Krakauer is joined by David Folkenflik, NPR media correspondent, for a deep dive on the Hunter Biden laptop story and the media coverage of it. They discuss the unprecedented social media crackdown on the New York Post, the ramifications for free speech, connections to 2016 and Hillary Clinton email coverage, press coverage of Russiagate and the Steele Dossier, fear in newsrooms, media suppression, the censoriousness of some on Twitter, hall monitors and hive mentality, cable news amplification, coziness between the media and the intelligence community to spin the laptop story, media's resistance to correcting false stories, how the media is covering the story now and what happens next, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Josh Rogin, Washington Post opinion columnist and author of "Chaos Under Heaven," joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the challenge of covering an Olympics in China, bias of omission, COVID confirmation bias, how the media screwed up the lab leak story, lack of media curiosity about COVID, source bias and "source greasing," media's refusal to admit when they're wrong, media deference for Dr. Fauci, the need to push those in power, opinion vs. news, Jeff Bezos, being married to another foreign affairs journalist, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Leah Finnegan, editor of Gawker, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss legacy media's mostly failed efforts to appeal to a younger demographic, Trump's impact on the media, new Gawker vs. old Gawker, calling out performative wokeness, whether Gawker can now still be part of the counterculture, the poisoning of what was once funny, her exit from Gawker (and the New York Times), working for Nick Denton and Bryan Goldberg, her thoughts on former colleagues Frank Bruni and Ross Douthat, the "sociopathically brilliant" Peter Thiel, fear and laziness in the media today, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Michael Moynihan, Vice News contributor and co-host of "The Fifth Column" podcast, joins Steve Krakauer to talk diversity of thought and geographic bias, what the media gets wrong about Trump supporters, COVID fear porn, echo chambers of stupidity, the conspiracy of the powerful, consequences and protections of some in the media, how to fight back against cancel culture, jealousy of the media class, road-tripping across Texas, how "The Fifth Column" got started, fighting back against the uptight snowflakes on both sides of the aisle, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Ana Marie Cox, formerly of Crooked Media and longtime host of the "With Friends Like These" podcast, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the real media bias that exists among the legacy media, Rick Wilson and Bill Kristol and how the Trump Era changed people, how everything has become nationalized, the state of snark (and her time at Wonkette), how to be a great interviewer, the end of "With Friends Like These," science fiction and politics and her new podcast "Space The Nation," whether AMC is a "liberal elite," and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Tucker Carlson, Fox News and Fox Nation host, returns to the show to discuss with Steve Krakauer: Chris Cuomo vs. CNN and why he feels bad for Cuomo, the excitement of Fox Nation and "censorship protection" of the streaming platform, why the internet is a "lie," January 6 and his "Patriot Purge" documentary series, his book "The Long Slide," the terrified elites, the "old days" of D.C., how Trump changed the media and those in power, the "shocking, vulgar, and indisputably true" Trump presidency, why Carlson says he's not a populist but "instinctually an elitist," Hunter Biden, the importance of perspective for those in the media, the downsides of fame and whether he thought he'd ever have this much power, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Charlie Warzel, editor of the "Galaxy Brain" newsletter now at The Atlantic, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss his move from the New York Times to Substack to The Atlantic, pros and cons of Twitter's outsized role among the media, whether Facebook is good or bad (and why that's the wrong question), how newsletters are being positioned now in media world today, The Atlantic's editorial success in a COVID world, the massive societal shift in the ability to have individual speech on a big scale, the creator dilemma when it comes to the Substack business model, his semi-feud with Glenn Greenwald, his new book on the future of work, living in Montana (far outside the Acela Media and the tech world), and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Dan Abrams, founder of Mediaite and Law & Crime and the host of "Dan Abrams Live" on NewsNation, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about opinion vs. news and the state of cable news, how MSNBC and CNN have changed over the past 20 years, Tucker Carlson and Chris Cuomo, the Ozy drama, where Mediaite sits in the media ecosystem, media ego, the recent push by the broader media to demonize and scapegoat Facebook, the cancelation of Live PD, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Tomi Lahren, host on Fox Nation and Fox News contributor, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss her viral social media success, how she got her start in the media, dealing with trolls, the importance of getting involved in the cultural conversation, the reaction her content gets from the left and the right, working for Fox News as it celebrates its 25th anniversary, whether Trump will run again (and what it would mean for the media), and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Erika Nardini, CEO of Barstool Sports, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the "Barstool attitude," reflects on five years as Barstool CEO and her initial meeting with Dave Portnoy, on gambling and live sports content, the enduring critiques of Barstool, why you should read the comments, the state of the podcast marketplace, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Greg Kelly, host on Newsmax and WABC, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss the media coverage of the Biden administration and January 6th, the secrets behind his Twitter persona, whether the media is worth saving, social media effects on journalism, policy vs. politics coverage, what it takes to make it in the media business, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Irin Carmon, senior correspondent at New York Magazine, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about #MeToo reporting roadblocks she encountered, the role Trump's election played in the #MeToo movement reporting, coverage in the media of allegations against Gov. Cuomo, coverage of Jeffrey Epstein, RBG and Scalia's friendship, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Steve Krakauer is joined by Mediaite founding editor Colby Hall to discuss and debate all the angles to the January 6 media coverage, including use of the term "The Big Lie," "election liar" hypocrisy, coverage of Brian Sicknick and Ashli Babbitt, why coverage of objecting to election results is different in 2020 and 2021 than past cycles, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Rachel Campos-Duffy, co-host of Fox & Friends Weekend, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about her iconic season of Real World: San Francisco, the myth of liberal tolerance, finding love on reality TV, raising nine kids, how the media covers conservative women, her time on The View, the importance of her faith, Fox News' place in the media marketplace, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Glenn Greenwald, co-founder of The Intercept and now founder of a Substack publication, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss media coverage of Trump and Biden, corporate media coziness with power, the decline of CNN and MSNBC, Twitter drama, the rise of independent media, Edward Snowden, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Kayleigh McEnany, co-host of Fox News' Outnumbered and former White House press secretary, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss her time battling the press in the briefing room, working for a media-obsessed president like Donald Trump, what her time at CNN was like off-air, the importance of her faith, how Jen Psaki is doing in the press secretary role (and how she's being covered), and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Elizabeth Spiers, journalist, editor and entrepreneur, joins Steve Krakauer to talk Gawker's impact and the new iteration coming, what it means to be countercultural in today's media environment, the incentive structure for the press to go after certain kinds of power, working for Jared Kushner (and Laurel Touby, and Nick Denton), the Substack Discourse, ideology vs. orthodoxy in the opinion section, dissecting the terms "cancel culture" and "woke," and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Ari Fleischer, of Fox News and Fleischer Communications, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about his time in the White House, the way the media covered the Trump administration (and is covering the Biden administration), "cancel culture" in sports, his time at CNN, reflecting on 9/11 20 years later, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Pat Mayo, DraftKings host and founder of the Mayo Media Network, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the state of sports media and the future of gambling coverage, independent vs. traditional media, the state of the podcast industry, how he got his start in the industry, work life balance, betting on the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lawrence Jones of Fox News and Fox Nation joins Steve Krakauer to talk about where Fox News stands in the media ecosystem, the rise of digital media and the role of legacy media, what he learned covering unrest last year, the "grievance politics" on both sides of the aisle, working for Barack Obama (and James O'Keefe), and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Salena Zito, reporter and columnist for the Washington Examiner and the New York Post, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about how she saw Trump coming when the rest of the media didn't in 2016, dealing with her most ardent critics, her time at CNN, the value of local news, her reporting style, the media's COVID coverage and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Dana Perino, co-host of "America's Newsroom" on Fox News and author of the forthcoming book, "Everything Will Be Okay," joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the evolving role of the press secretary, the way the media covered the Trump administration (and will be covering the Biden administration), Fox News' place in the media, traditional vs. digital media, working with Tony Snow, her new book and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Piers Morgan, editor-at-large of the Daily Mail and co-host of Good Morning Britain, joins Steve Krakauer, to talk about the media in the Biden Era, what his relationship with Donald Trump is now, CNN's past, present and future, Rupert Murdoch's legacy, the power of social media, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Tara Palmeri, writer for Politico Playbook and host of the "Power: The Maxwells" podcast, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about covering the Trump White House, the media's Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell coverage (or lack of coverage), covering the powerful in NYC media and entertainment for Page Six, her time writing for Politico Europe, the incoming administration and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Ley, legendary ESPN anchor, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the way social media has changed the media landscape, the value of trust in the media, priorities (and cuts) at his former employer ESPN, culture and sports colliding, how COVID changed sports and sports media and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Erick Erickson, host of the radio show, The Erick Erickson Show, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the future of media post-Trump, what the conservative media does next, the #NeverTrump contingent in the media, his time at Fox News and at CNN (and what CNN is like now), the role of faith in the media, how he'd fix the media world if he had $10 million and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wesley Lowery, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist currently with CBS News, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about journalism in the Trump Era, the discourse surrounding the 1619 Project and other journalism efforts, the Twitter effect on the media, the bias in the national media toward national politics over local issues, "moral clarity" vs. objectivity and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Ben Domenech, co-founder and publisher of The Federalist, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about our current media landscape, what Trump coming (and going) did to the power of the legacy media, the shift to new, independent media outlets, how he got his start in the media and politics, the unique hate that comes his way (and is aimed at his wife, Meghan McCain too), and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Olivia Nuzzi, Washington correspondent for New York magazine, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the Trump Era media, signing the Harper's Letter, the absurd reaction to the New York Times' Tom Cotton op-ed, her start as an intern for Anthony Weiner, Betsy Rothstein, the "cowardice" of the White House press corps and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lara Logan, host of FOX Nation's "Lara Logan Has No Agenda," joins Steve Krakauer to discuss the media in the Obama Era and the Trump Era, what the media has missed about Benghazi, her move to Texas and her move to Fox and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Vox Senior Politics Reporter Jane Coaston joins Steve Krakauer to discuss working for the left and right media, Twitter, politics as a hobby and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

New York Times media columnist Ben Smith joins Steve Krakauer to talk about Trump and the media, BuzzFeed, the New York Times, and much more. Subscribe to the Fourth Watch email newsletter at http://FourthWatch.Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On the premiere episode of The Fourth Watch Podcast, Fox News host Tucker Carlson joins Steve Krakauer to talk about our current political and cultural landscape, the media industry, diversity of thought and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.