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Joe Sanok from the www.PracticeofthePractice.com blog covers everything it takes to make your service-based private practice more awesome. It’s what you wish you had learned in graduate school. Learn killer ways to grow your referrals, save tons of money, and have some fun along the way. Joe has been featured on the Huffington Post, Yahoo Health, ZynnyMe, PsychCentral, and Sirus Radio. Joe has an extensive background in several clinical settings including foster care, residential, home-based, college counseling, and private practice. As the owner of Mental Wellness Counseling in Traverse City, MI he has grown his practice and taught others to do the same. As an expert in the field of growing counseling private practices, Joe exposes all he knows to help you with marketing, branding, consulting, and a deeper level of awesomeness. Joe knows that we’ve all been there, we dream of our small business taking off and we know that it should...but it doesn’t. We want more referrals and the independence that comes from a small business. Through marketing, website developments, and other business-focused tips, Joe helps you to grow. There are simple changes that you can make that will ensure your grow as a professional, expert and as a small business owner. Joe engages and encourages listeners through real-life examples of failure and success. These discussions are for the 21st century counselor who wants to be on the edge of technology, marketing, and expanding their private practice or small business! Plus, there is super sweet music throughout the podcast. http://www.practiceofthepractice.com

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    The Practice of the Practice Podcast is a top-notch resource for therapists looking to start, grow, and scale their own private practice. Hosted by Joe Sanok, this podcast offers innovative ideas and expert insights that are both inspiring and actionable. With a deep knowledge of private practice and a genuine desire to help therapists succeed, Joe provides valuable advice, tangible action steps, and resources that make the daunting task of building a practice feel less lonely. His interviewing skills are superb, bringing on guests who offer diverse perspectives and practical tips. Whether you're just starting out or looking to take your practice to the next level, this podcast is a must-listen.

    The best aspect of this podcast is Joe's vast knowledge and experience in private practice. He truly understands the challenges that therapists face in building their own businesses and provides practical solutions to overcome them. The episodes are filled with valuable advice, strategies, and insights from experts in the field. I've learned so much from listening to this podcast and have been able to implement many of the ideas into my own practice.

    Another great aspect of this podcast is the sense of community it provides. Joe not only shares his own expertise but also brings on other practitioners who share their experiences and lessons learned. This creates a supportive environment where therapists can learn from each other and feel less alone in their journey.

    One downside of this podcast is that some episodes may not be relevant for all therapists. Since there are various aspects to running a private practice, certain episodes may focus on topics that don't apply to every listener. However, even if an episode doesn't directly relate to your specific needs, there is always something valuable to take away from it.

    In conclusion, The Practice of the Practice Podcast is an invaluable resource for therapists looking to build successful private practices. Joe Sanok's expertise, along with his engaging interviews and practical advice, make this podcast a must-listen for anyone in the field. Whether you're just starting out or looking to grow your practice, this podcast will provide you with the inspiration and knowledge you need to succeed.



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