The meandering conversations of two pastors.

We are live from the Wild Goose Festival, and we're sitting down with Sara Cunningham, founder of Free Mom Hugs, for a conversation about faith, family, regret, courage, and the transforming power of love. Sara shares her journey from struggling to accept her gay son to becoming an accidental activist and a fierce advocate for the LGBTQ+ community. We talk about deconstructing harmful theology, finding chosen family, knowing when to stop arguing—and why courage is contagious, but takes practice. There are tears, laughter, a little Jeep-related heartbreak, and a whole lot of hope. Pull up a chair and join us for this deeply honest conversation about what can happen when love becomes bigger than certainty.

What if “thoughts and prayers” aren't the problem—what if the problem is when that's where we stop?Gayle and Natalie wrestle with prayer, action, James' insistence that faith without works is dead, Bonhoeffer's costly grace, and the difference between caring and simply saying we care. And, along the way, Dolly Parton gives us a pretty good picture of what faith looks like when it gets its hands dirty.Prayer matters. But maybe prayer isn't the end of our response.Maybe prayer is where our response begins.

Can there really be a place where God is absent?In this episode of Unbound Love, Gayle and Nataliecontinue the conversation that began with Natalie's pilgrimage through places connected to Etty Hillesum and the Holocaust. This time, they wrestle with a much harder question: Can a place become so filled with suffering, cruelty,and evil that God simply isn't there? Natalie begins with a haunting poem preserved from Auschwitz that describes Birkenau as a place “forgotten by God.” That language becomes the launching point: When we call somewhere God-forsaken, do we actually believe God has forsaken it? Or are we describing what happens when human beings become so disconnected from God—and from one another—that their actions become godless? The conversation turns toward a challenging theologicalpossibility: perhaps there are no places without God unless human beingscreate them. God may remain available, but we can become so separated fromcompassion, empathy, and one another that we no longer recognize—or choose to participate in—the divine presence around us. Join us on this journey as we explore the idea that humanbeings are remarkably capable of convincing ourselves that our desires are God's desires.

What makes a pilgrimage different from an ordinary trip orvacation?In this episode of Unbound Love, Gayle and Natalie explorepilgrimage as intentional travel undertaken with an openness to encountering the divine. Natalie reflects on a recent journey through Amsterdam, Deventer, Westerbork, Auschwitz, and Birkenau, following the life and final journey of Jewish writer and spiritual seeker Etty Hillesum. The conversation begins with the idea that pilgrimage is not defined solely by the destination, but by the attention, intention, and spiritual openness we bring to the journey.Join in on this journey of pilgrimage!

What does it mean to prepare to stand in the places where history happened?In this episode of Unbound.Love, Natalie is getting ready for a journey to the Netherlands that will take Natalie into the life and world of Etty Hillesum, the young Jewish Dutch writer whose remarkable diaries and letters chronicle her inner and spiritual life as the Holocaust closed in around her.Before the trip begins, we talk about the anticipation of visiting Etty's home and other places connected to her story. Who was Etty Hillesum? Why have her words continued to resonate more than eighty years later? And what might it mean to encounter the places where she lived, wrote, wrestled with God, and tried to hold onto her humanity in the midst of an increasingly inhumane world?Our conversation meanders through Etty's life and writing, the Holocaust, faith in the presence of unimaginable suffering, memory, human dignity, and the importance of refusing to look away from history. We also wonder together about what happens when we move beyond reading someone's story and prepare to walk into the physical places where that story unfolded.This episode is the conversation before the journey—filled with history, questions, anticipation, and the hope that encountering Etty's world might have something to teach us about our own.Pull up a chair and join the conversation as Natalie prepares to walk in the footsteps of Etty Hillesum.

Join Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle as they discuss Love through the lens of Christmas movies

Join Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle as they explore what it means to find peace in a time when it doesn't feel peaceful.

Join Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle as they explore Hope in a time that feels hopeless

Join Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle in a discussion about Thanksgiving, favorite foods, with a little theology and advent thrown in in their meandering style.

Join Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle as they discuss the election. Outcomes, laminates, strategies for coping.

Join Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle as they discuss Halloween. From the history to favorite candies, we meander through this conversation.

Today we explore what it means to feel out of sync—with each other, with God, and even with ourselves. Join us for honest reflections, moments of humor, and the messy beauty of rediscovering connection. Wherever you find yourself on the journey, there's room at the table.

In this episode we tackle the disturbing reports of FEMA workers being attacked in Western NC. What happens when fear replaces trust? How do communities rebuild—physically and spiritually—when trust is shattered? Join us as we explore the intersection of crisis, compassion, and faith, and ask: What does it mean to embody love when fear takes hold?Tune in for an honest conversation that challenges the easy answers and digs into the hard questions.

Ever wonder if church can be more than just Sunday mornings? Join Pastors Gayle Tabor and Catherine Lyle as they explore unconventional ways to connect with faith and community. From beachside chats and biker gatherings to intimate home dinners and outdoor adventures, discover how church can thrive in any setting. Tune in to find out how breaking free from traditional models can lead to deeper, more meaningful spiritual experiences.

In this episode of Unbound.Love, Pastor Gayle Tabor and Pastor Catherine Lyle are diving into a topic that's as timely as it is challenging: how to be both Christian and political. Can faith and politics really mix? How do we navigate the complexities of today's political landscape while staying true to our values? Join us as we explore what it means to engage in the political arena with a heart rooted in love, justice, and the teachings of Christ. Whether you're a seasoned activist or just starting to think about your role in society, this conversation is for you. Don't miss it!

In today's podcast podcast where our two pastors dive into the fascinating intersection of faith and the Olympic Games. Pastor Gayle Tabor and Pastor Catherine Lyle explore how the stories of the world's greatest athletes can teach us about perseverance, community, and the pursuit of a higher calling. https://youtu.be/C9XF_vlzSfE?si=MmidpVbm4qmeZ6VX https://youtu.be/KjWzEAsQuvA?si=Mzrh_QGnMgT_ZxsN

Join Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle life at the Wild Goose Festival as they discuss Christian Nationalism

Pastor's Gayle and Catherine discuss a news story about a Pride event in Idaho - and what it means to be in community Link to News Story in the Washington post https://wapo.st/3VD3wlN --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Today Pastor Gayle and Pastor Cather complete their list of their 5 favorite Bible Characters - some may surprise you. Join us as we we dive in and discuss some of the most fascinating and inspiring characters who have inspired or challenged us in the Bible. Today, we're thrilled to explore the stories of some beloved or not-beloved figures who have left a lasting impact on us and believers throughout the ages. From acts of extraordinary faith to moments of profound wisdom (or perhaps their worst day ever), these characters offer timeless lessons and compelling narratives that continue to resonate. Join us as we uncover the journeys, struggles, and triumphs of these biblical heroes, and discover what makes them our top five favorites. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Today Pastor Gayle and Pastor Catherine dive into the lives of some of the most fascinating and inspiring characters in the Bible, or at least their favorites. We're thrilled to explore the stories of five beloved figures who have left a lasting impact on our hearts and minds, and perhaps of believers throughout the ages. Join us as we uncover the journeys, struggles, and triumphs of these biblical characters, and discover what makes them our top five favorites. This podcast became lone so we have made it two parts. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

This week we dive into the lazy, hazy days of summer with the our Summer Meanderings Podcast! Join us as we leisurely explore the best of summer entertainment. From page-turning books to binge-worthy TV shows and everything in between, we bring you fun and perhaps insightful discussions, recommendations, and lighthearted banter. Whether you're lounging by the pool or taking a road trip, our podcast is your perfect companion for the summer. Tune in and let's meander through the magic of summer together! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Join Pastors Gayle and Catherine as they delve into the UMC General Conference and the recent controversy surrounding the Mississippi Bishop, Sharma Lewis and her perpetuating the harm against clergy for being a part of a wedding for non-binary people, after the restriction was removed at General Conference. Stay tuned for this discussion, that includes personal testimonies, and analysis. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Today we explore the pressing legal and societal issues shaping our world today. In this episode, we're delving into one of the most contentious and far-reaching cases to come before the Supreme Court: the case concerning the ban on homelessness. This case has sparked a nationwide debate on the intersection of human rights, public policy, and social justice. We'll discuss the legal arguments, the potential implications for cities across the country, and how this decision might impact the most vulnerable in our society, but more importantly, we will look at the theological implications. So, grab a seat and join us as we navigate the complexities of this landmark case. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Join us as we delve into the concept of shrinkflation in Christian faith. Explore how societal changes, cultural shifts, and individual interpretations have influenced the understanding and practice of Christianity over time. From the evolution of doctrine to the modern challenges facing believers, we navigate the complexities of maintaining faith in an ever-changing world. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

In today's episode we separate fact from fiction in the world of pop culture and phenomena as we dive into the pervasive myths and misconceptions surrounding the link between eclipses and the rapture. From Hollywood blockbusters to internet conspiracy theories, the notion of these celestial events heralding apocalyptic doom has captured the imagination of many. But are these claims grounded in reality, or are they merely products of imaginative storytelling? Join us as we debunk the myths, unravel the science, and explore the true nature of eclipses and the rapture. So, tune in, skeptics and truth-seekers alike, as we shine a light on the misconceptions surrounding this intriguing topic. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Tune in to our latest episode as Pastor Gayle and Pastor Catherine delve into the controversy surrounding the 'Trump Bible.' Uncover the connection to Christian nationalism, and the deep divisions it has stirred within the religious community. Join us as we explore the intersection of faith, politics, and power. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Join Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle as they delve into the journey of the Utah women's basketball team as they confront systemic racism during the NCAA tournament. Forced to relocate due to racist remarks and threats, the team's resilience and determination shine through as they navigate adversity both on and off the court. Join us as we explore the intersection of race, sports, and social justice in this powerful narrative of courage and unity. Utah forced to move hotels at NCAA Tournament after ‘racial hate crimes' https://theguardian.com Too Heavy a Yoke: Black Women and the Burden of Strength by Chanequa Walker-Barnes https://amzn.to/3IX0Fya --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

In today's podcast, where we explore the tradition of fasting during Ramadan. We delve into the rich cultural and spiritual significance of Ramadan fasting, offering insights and guidance for those who may not be familiar with this sacred practice. Also talking about the difficulties of fasting for Palestinians in Gaza, who are starving. Tune in and join the conversation! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

In this urgent and insightful podcast episode, we unpack the complexities surrounding the war in Ukraine and pose a fundamental question: Is there such a thing as a just war? Hosted by Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle, the episode devles into the ethical considerations of military intervention and humanitarian intervention, this episode navigates through the moral dilemmas and ethical frameworks surrounding armed conflict. As the world watches the unfolding events in Ukraine with growing concern, this episode serves as a platform for deep reflection, critical analysis, and meaningful dialogue about the nature of war and the pursuit of justice in a complex and interconnected world. Tune in to gain insights, challenge assumptions, and engage in the discussion about the principles that guide our response to global crises. Photos before and no in Ukraine war Russian War on Ukraine Marks a Second Anniversary : State of the World from NPR : NPR --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

In this thought-provoking podcast episode, we delve into the question of whether Black History Month remains relevant in the landscape of 2024. Hosted by Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle, the episode features a discussion examining the impact of social media and digital activism to exploring the ongoing struggle for racial justice and equality, this episode navigates through complex themes and challenges listeners to critically reflect on the role and relevance of commemorating Black history in contemporary society. Tune in to gain insights, engage in meaningful dialogue, and reevaluate your understanding of Black History Month in the context of the present day. Link to the SNL Skit article of players referenced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o39CFGiEME&t=118s --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Pastor Gayle and Pastor Catherine discuss the death of non-binary, Nex Benedict, in a High School Bathroom in Owasso, Oklahoma. https://www.advocate.com/news/transgender-student-death-raichik-walters If you are being bullied or need assistance contact The Trevor Project https://www.thetrevorproject.org/ By texting HELLO to 741741 you can connect with a Crisis Counselor who can listen totally judgment-free and help you strategize ways to get through the day. Tell a teacher. If you're being bullied at school, there are people around you every day whose entire job is to keep you safe and help you learn. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Pastor Gayle Tabor and Pastor Catherine Lyle answer the question who is Jesus, and invite their colleagues to answer as well. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Join Pastor Gayle Tabor and Pastor Catherine Lyle as the meander their way through a discussion of weather, and how little things like reducing plastic use, conserving energy, and supporting local sustainability can collectively make a big difference for the environment. Join us on a journey of simple steps towards a greener planet. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Today Pastors Gayle & Catherine discuss New Years Resolutions. And the possibility of 24 things you'd change in 2024. The Energy Article Mentioned Also, we would love to hear your 24 things - Leave us a message! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Explore the intersection of spirituality and civic engagement with Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle in our latest podcast episode. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

In today's episode Rev Gayle Tabor and Rev Catherine Lyle explore the intriguing question: What Would Jesus Drive? Join us on this somewhat thought-provoking journey as we dive into discussions about faith, values, and the choices we make, even when it comes to our mode of transportation. Buckle up for a spiritual drive through the highways of conviction and reflection! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Rev Catherine Lyle and Rev Gayle Tabor discuss peace in Holy Places. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Pastor Gayle and Pastor Shawn are live from The Wild Goose Festival talking about growing up in a racist environment and how they came to believe racism is wrong and came to live an anti-racist life. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unboundlove/message

Pastor's Laura and Gayle talk about the Jurisdictional Conferences and changes in episcopacy in the United Methodist Church --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

Pastor Gayle and Pastor Laura discuss the importance of rest, sabbath, and taking time off work. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

Pastor Gayle and Pastor Laura talk about Blessing of the Animals --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

Today the pastor's talk about student loans, forgiveness, and predatory lending --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

Pastor Gayle and Pastor Laura discuss the holy practice of napping --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

The Pastors talk about disaffiliation in the UMC --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

Are you a hugger? Whether you love it or hate it, join Pastor Gayle and Pastor Laura as they talk about hugging. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

Pastor Gayle Tabor and Pastor Laura Wittman discuss singing, in church - particularly hymns! Specifically using the rules for singing proclaimed by John Wesley. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

Pastor's Gayle Tabor and Laura Wittman discuss abortion - the hot button topic. This episode was recorded live before an audience at The Wild Goose Festival in Union Grove NC --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

Pastor Gayle and Pastor Kelley talk about the idea of Biblical Inerrancy. Are there errors in the Bible? Leave us a message on our website unbound.love - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - connect with gayle @pubpastor connect with Kelley @pastorkelley Leave us a message we would love to hear your feedback and comments --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

Do you have a Lenten practice? Is Lent important? Pastor Gayle and Pastor Kelley talk about Lent and what's important about these 40 days. Leave us a message on our website unbound.love - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - connect with gayle @pubpastor connect with Kelley @pastorkelley Leave us a message we would love to hear your feedback and comments --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

Pastor Gayle and Pastor Kelley Talk about having boundaries as pastors, and as people. When they're appropriate to set, how set them, and how to keep them. Leave us a message on our website unbound.love - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - connect with gayle @pubpastor connect with Kelley @pastorkelley Leave us a message we would love to hear your feedback and comments --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message

Pastor Gayle and Pastor Kelley discuss heaven. Our misconceptions and our aspirations. Episode Cover Art is - Disputa, 1510-1511. Raphael, Fresco, Vatican Stanza della Segnatura, Rome. Heaven is the section above while the earthly scene is depicted below. Leave us a message on our website unbound.love - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - connect with gayle @pubpastor connect with Kelley @pastorkelley Leave us a message we would love to hear your feedback and comments --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unboundlove/message