Podcast appearances and mentions of Christian nationalism

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In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with psychotherapist Justin Oberste, who shares insights on deconstructing faith, LGBTQ+ affirming therapy, and innovative approaches like ketamine-assisted psychotherapy for healing trauma. A deep dive into navigating faith, sexuality, and mental health. Justin's Website | Justinoberste.com Chapters 02:24 Justin's background in LGBTQ+ affirmative therapy 15:16 Leaving fundamentalist environments and family safety 20:40 Navigating community, rejection, and finding belonging 50:35 Integrating protector parts and emotional release 54:39 Justin's work and how to connect with him ____________________________________________________ TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We're part of the New Evangelical's 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join Pastor Dale Partridge as he offers a clear introduction to the misunderstood term "Christian Nationalism."

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When authoritarianism wraps itself in faith, how should a spiritual community respond? We trace the chilling historical parallels between 1930s Germany and the modern political moment as Quaker lawyer Scott Holmes crafts a modern declaration of resistance. Drawing on the 1934 Barmen Declaration, we explore the collision of religion and nationalism. How do we maintain integrity when political forces co-opt sacred traditions? Join us to navigate the challenge of preserving truth and radical love in a fractured world.   Read Scott Holmes' full statement here: https://curtisscottholmes.blogspot.com/2025/12/statement-of-faith-toward-shared.html?m=1 Become a monthly supporter! Sign up for the Daily Quaker Message.

In recent years, “Christian Nationalism” has become a ubiquitous term in American political discussion.It is said by many with fear and loathing, and by others with great excitement and conviction.Among the enthusiasts include Doug Wilson, who is the pastor of Pete Hegseth, the United States' Secretary of War. And it's not just Hegseth who has ties to the ideology, Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House of Representatives, has also been described as a Christian Nationalist. And many members of Trump's administration and the pro-Trump media have flirted with the idea that Christians and, maybe more accurately, the Bible, ought to be the guiding force behind the government's actions.Last month, Trump hosted Rededicate 250, an event which sought to, in the administration's own words, “rededicate America as One Nation under God.”But as much as Christian Nationalism has become an emotional buzz word, the belief system it describes has varied over time—and the current MAGA-adjacent evangelical iteration is only a small piece of the story of how Christianity and American society have pushed and pulled on each other for centuries.As we recognize the U.S.'s 250th birthday, the question of whether or not America is a Christian nation or whether or not it was intended to be one, continues to show its face in social media feeds, newspapers, podcasts, pulpits and schoolrooms. So, to sort through the complicated relationship between Jesus and Uncle Sam, Joseph Holmes sat down with three American Christian professors: Matthew Parks, Joseph Loconte and David Corbin. The group discusses whether or not the U.S. is a Christian country, whether that's even possible and to what extent Christian beliefs ought to influence political decisions.If you'd like to hear more from our guests today, you can listen to the Democracy in America Today podcast, which is hosted by David Corbin and Matt Parks. Joseph Loconte has written several books, but he is most well known for his writings on C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien, the most recent of which was 2025's “The War For Middle Earth.”

In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Dr. Peter Carlson who shares their journey as a medievalist studying gender and queer history, challenging traditional views on marriage, gender, and biblical stories. Dr. Peter Carlson's Faculty Page Chapters 08:12 Exploring Gender and Marriage in the Medieval Period 19:58 Queer History vs. Gay History 20:54 The Role of Myth in Understanding Truth 26:23 Exploring Genesis: Chaos, Order, and Creation 29:34 Queering the Creation Narrative 42:32 The Queer Lectionary Project ____________________________________________________ TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We're part of the New Evangelical's 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jason and Willy are back with their annual post-Synod recap, and the mood is different than it used to be. This isn't a denomination bracing for a fight; it's one taking stock of how far it has come. Willy is relatively satisfied with Synod 2026 — a give-and-take week with real wins and real losses — and Jason agrees, framing his disappointments as wisdom calls rather than make-or-break ones. The throughline this year, borrowing a line from Derek Buikema, was a willingness to stop deferring everything to process and just make decisions now. The biggest win is the virtual church decision. After leaving the door cracked last year, Synod acceded to the Atlantic Northeast overture and declared plainly that a church meeting exclusively online is not a true church — rooted in Acts and the Belgic Confession, and framed well by Chad Steenwyk as chair. The biggest loss is the Classis Wisconsin overture for a study committee on Reformed ecclesiology, which failed 106 to 71. Jason's frustration isn't the defeat but the reason: the whole debate collapsed into a conversation about money and pragmatism — the very disease the overture was trying to treat. His verdict on the leading floor argument is unprintable-adjacent: it sounds good, but it's crap. The episode closes on the two-year Christian nationalism study committee. Both hosts are skeptical, not because the issue is unimportant but because nobody can define the term — a point Al Mohler recently made by calling it a rebrand of "fundamentalist." Jason is genuinely thankful Synod refused the overture's proposed definition, but he expects two years of study to produce a definition that helps no one. What stings most is the contrast: a committee for the buzzword, none for the root issue. So the Messy Reformation will do the ecclesiology work itself — grassroots. Timestamps: 0:00 — Intro and overall thoughts on Synod 2026 3:14 — Willy: relatively satisfied; a give-and-take synod 5:22 — "We're just going to do it now": Synod's new decisiveness 6:35 — The virtual church decision: online-only is not a true church 9:18 — Digital church versus digital ministry 9:35 — The Classis Wisconsin ecclesiology overture fails, 106 to 71 13:21 — Pragmatism on the floor: "his argument sounds good, but it's crap" 14:05 — The cracked-foundation analogy and planting Reformed churches 16:03 — An invitation to fund Reformed ecclesiology work 16:44 — The Christian nationalism study committee 18:19 — Al Mohler: a rebrand of "fundamentalist" 20:08 — Thankful Synod didn't adopt the proposed definition 21:12 — Chasing a ghost: two years, and a committee for the buzzword but not the root Join and support us on Substack: https://themessyreformation.com/ Intro music by Matt Krotzer

Today's HeadlinesHistoric Kyiv monastery damaged, cathedral catches fire in Russian strikesChristianity is on the rise in Gen Z, as is debate over Christian NationalismNigerian believers find encouragement in Scripture amid persecution

Send us Fan MailNEW EPISODE: Today I have the privilege of talking with an author, a pastor, and an influencer whose journey is as compelling as it is timely. Dr. Caleb Campbell is the lead pastor of Desert Springs Bible Church in Phoenix, Arizona, the author of Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor, and one of the featured voices in the podcast series When the Wolves Came: Evangelicals Resisting Extremism.What makes Caleb's story so remarkable is that his understanding of extremism isn't merely academic. As a teenager, he was drawn into the world of neo-Nazi skinheads before eventually finding his way to Christian faith. Years later, after becoming a lead pastor, he began recognizing disturbing echoes of that same ideology emerging inside American evangelicalism—especially after the 2016 election, through the pandemic, and in the aftermath of January 6.In this conversation, we explore what Christian nationalism really is, why it has become so attractive to many believers, and why Caleb believes condemnation isn't the answer. Instead, he calls us to courageous conversations, deep listening, and radical hospitality. If you've struggled to understand friends or family caught up in today's political and religious polarization, I think you'll find this conversation honest, challenging, deeply compassionate—and filled with hope.I can also make this version a little more personal and conversational, in the style you've been using for your recent Beached White Male introductions.SHOW NOTES - including links to Caleb's book and the When the Wolves Came PodcastSupport the showBecome a Patron - Click on the link to learn how you can become a Patron of the show. Thank you!Ken's Substack PageThe Podcast Official Site: TheBeachedWhiteMale.com

Have a comment? Send us a text! (We read all of them but can't reply). Email us: Will@faithfulpoliticspodcast.comWhat should Christians do when global politics becomes personal, chaotic, and violent? Dr. Robert J. Joustra, Professor of Politics and Spoelhof Chair at Calvin University and author of Christ and Covenant in Global Politics, joins Faithful Politics to ask what Christian theology can actually contribute to international relations. Joustra argues that Christians have often thought carefully about domestic politics, but far less about diplomacy, war, trade, climate, Israel, China, Iran, and the moral responsibilities nations have to each other.Drawing on John Calvin, Augustine's idea of rightly ordered loves, covenantal pluralism, and the just war tradition, he explains why “Christ is King” should limit state power rather than sanctify it. The conversation moves from America's 250th anniversary and Christian nationalism to Israel, Iran, World War II, Afghanistan, Iraq, and the moral purpose of force. At its core, this is a conversation about whether Christian politics can be serious enough to pursue justice without turning nations into idols.Book MentionedChrist and Covenant in Global Politics: A Christian Introduction to International Relations by Robert J. JoustraBookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/p/books/christ-and-covenant-in-global-politics-a-christian-introduction-to-international-relations-robert-j-joustra/fe15a081a65ad89dRelevant Links & ResourcesChrist and Covenant in Global Politics - IVP AcademicURL: https://www.ivpress.com/christ-and-covenant-in-global-politicsGuest BioDr. Robert J. Joustra is Professor of Politics and Spoelhof Chair at Calvin University. He is a political scientist whose work focuses on international relations, public theology, religious freedom, pluralism, and the moral responsibilities of political communities. He is the author of Christ and Covenant in Global Politics: A Christian Introduction to International Relations, a book that brings Christian ethics into questions of diplomacy, war, political economy, climate, global justice, and covenantal pluralism. He has also authored and edited other books and serves as Senior Editor with The Review of Faith & International Affairs.Support the show

Send us Fan MailRandall Balmer joins me for remarks about why he believes America is not a Christian nation and why separation of church and state is the American way. This is the topic of chapter 6 in my new book The Christian Past That Wasn't. In the book, I cover the topics in this segment as well as the Articles of Confederation, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists, The Church of the Holy Trinity v. the United States, and the views of James Madison. Christian nationalists have significantly distorted the history in this area to reframe and redefine separation of church and state. I go to the primary sources to show readers what the framers said about this important principle. To purchase or learn more about The Christian Past That Wasn't, go to www.christianpast.com.Written, produced, and hosted by Warren ThrockmortonMusic provided by Roman Candle, Jonathan Swaim, and Netop.For a playlist of music used on the podcast, see this link: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6jP94UmS5sCwoB4Ex3ini9?si=0C7Woza2QRaKrIsvvJ_l7g

As Extremely American gears up for a new season, we're taking a look back at its reporting on extremist movements and what the podcast has planned for the future. 

Russell answers two questions from listeners asking what it looks like to oppose Christian nationalism while still pursuing the unity of the church. Submit your own question for the show! Email questions@russellmoore.com — and remember: attach a voice memo! Keep up with Russell: Sign up for the weekly newsletter where Russell shares thoughtful takes on big questions, offers a Christian perspective on life, and recommends books and music he's enjoying. Subscribe to the Christianity Today Magazine: Special offer for listeners of The Russell Moore Show: Click here for 25% off a subscription. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Dr. Tamice Spencer-Helms about their journey through faith, race, sexuality, and spirituality. They explore the intersections of whiteness, queerness, blackness, and the kingdom of God, challenging traditional narratives and advocating for a radical, love-centered faith. Dr. Tamice's Website | Blackmodernmystic.com Chapters 01:26 Journey of Faith Reconstruction 06:03 Intersectionality of Identity 17:55 The Nature of Power and Love 30:16 Navigating Whiteness and Competition 43:39 Living in Trust and Abundance ____________________________________________________ TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We're part of the New Evangelical's 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Your two favorite heathens are back. After a long awaited break, Madie & Ellen are back for a fourth season of Short of the Glory. On today's episode we do a brief catch up to talk about *gestures around* and give you a sneak peak in our upcoming season. May this episode bless you and keep you. Follow us on Instagram: @sotgpod

At a moment when the Texas Republican Party is directly writing the destruction of the separation of church and state into their party platform, and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick is announcing that Democratic Senate nominee James Talarico is "going to hell" because of his progressive Christian leanings, the current political conflict in Texas could rightly be defined as the Christian Nationalists against...well, against the rest of us.Joining us to discuss this intensifying divide and to examine point by point how to counter your MAGA uncle's critiques of James Talarico's spiritual positions is the Reverand Mara Richards Bim, Justice & Advocacy Fellow at Royal Lane Baptist Church in Dallas. Learn more about Rev. Bim at https://www.mararichardsbim.com/.Thanks for listening! Learn more about Progress Texas and how you can support our ongoing work at https://progresstexas.org/.

What if one of the most important political symbols in American evangelicalism isn't a campaign slogan, a policy platform, or a charismatic preacher, but a worship song? In this episode of the Straight White American Jesus Sunday Interview, host Leah Payne speaks with Religion News Service journalist Bob Smietana about his reporting on the unexpected political life of Chris Tomlin's worship anthem "How Great Is Our God." Over the past several years, the song has appeared everywhere from the Capitol Riots to ReAwaken America rallies and Sean Feucht events, to the memorial service for Charlie Kirk. Yet unlike overtly political songs such as "God Bless the USA," "How Great Is Our God" contains no explicit political message at all. So why has it become such a powerful soundtrack for conservative Christian activism? Drawing on his reporting for NPR's All Things Considered, and Payne's God Gave Rock and Roll to You: a History of Contemporary Christian Music, Smietana and Payne discuss the rise of “Christian Nashville-ism," the fusion of the worship music industry, suburban evangelical culture, celebrity influence, and political identity. Nashville's Christian music machine has produced a soundtrack so ubiquitous that it now functions as a kind of sacred common language across American Christianity. In an era of political polarization, worship songs provide emotional resonance, spiritual legitimacy, and a sense of collective identity that can easily travel into political spaces. Together, Payne and Smietana explore how contemporary worship music became one of the most influential forms of religious formation in American life. They discuss the rise of Chris Tomlin and the Passion movement, the mainstreaming of charismatic worship practices, the growing overlap between worship culture and conservative politics, and the role of suburban megachurches in shaping modern evangelical identity. The conversation also examines how Christian nationalism often operates less through overt ideology than through atmosphere, familiarity, nostalgia, and music. Why do songs matter so much in political movements? What happens when worship becomes a form of cultural power? And why has a seemingly apolitical worship song become one of the defining sounds of conservative evangelical America? In this episode: Why "How Great Is Our God" has become a fixture at conservative political events The relationship between worship music and conservative activism Nashville's role as a center of evangelical cultural power Chris Tomlin, the Passion movement, and the mainstreaming of charismatic worship How worship music became the dominant language of American Protestantism Charlie Kirk, Sean Feucht, and the politics of sacred music The rise of suburban megachurch culture and its political influence Why contemporary worship songs often succeed where political slogans fail "Comfort food Christian nationalism" and the power of familiarity The overlap between MAGA politics, evangelical identity, and worship culture Links: Bob Smietana's NPR article: “Why an Apolitical Worship Song Has Become Popular With Conservative Activists” Adam Perez: ““It's Your Breath in Our Lungs”: Sean Feucht's Praise and Worship Music Protests and the Theological Problem of Pandemic Response in the U.S.” Worship Leader Research Leah Payne's God Gave Rock and Roll to You: a History of Contemporary Christian Music Bob Smietana Official Website Bob Smietana at Religion News Service Bob Smietana's book, Reorganized Religion: The Reshaping of the American Church and Why It Matters: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Presbyterian Church in America's (PCA) interim committee report on Christian Nationalism is already generating significant discussion across the Reformed world. In this episode of The Magistrate, George Sayour examines the report's ten conclusions, the PCA's 1788 Westminster Standards, church-state relations, establishmentarianism, civil magistrates, and the committee's guidance for pastors, elders, and churches. George also evaluates where the report is helpful, where it may be challenged, and what it could mean for future debates within the PCA regarding Christian Nationalism, Christian citizenship, and the relationship between church and state.

The Presbyterian Church in America's (PCA) interim committee report on Christian Nationalism is already generating significant discussion across the Reformed world.In this episode of The Magistrate, George Sayour examines the report's ten conclusions, the PCA's 1788 Westminster Standards, church-state relations, establishmentarianism, civil magistrates, and the committee's guidance for pastors, elders, and churches.George also evaluates where the report is helpful, where it may be challenged, and what it could mean for future debates within the PCA regarding Christian Nationalism, Christian citizenship, and the relationship between church and state.Watch all of our videos and subscribe to our channel for the latest content >HereHere

The Presbyterian Church in America's (PCA) interim committee report on Christian Nationalism is already generating significant discussion across the Reformed world. In this episode of The Magistrate, George Sayour examines the report's ten conclusions, the PCA's 1788 Westminster Standards, church-state relations, establishmentarianism, civil magistrates, and the committee's guidance for pastors, elders, and churches. George also evaluates where the report is helpful, where it may be challenged, and what it could mean for future debates within the PCA regarding Christian Nationalism, Christian citizenship, and the relationship between church and state.

Philippians 3:12-21"Living as Citizens of God's Kingdom: Paul vs. Christian Nationalism"Pastor Steve Kim

So last Thursday the first part of the PCA's study report on Christian nationalism dropped. For those who would check it out, here you go. The following is what I tweeted at the time, and so here we are...Before getting to my promised awkward questions, let me start by saying what was good about the report. And there was much that was good—if we restrict ourselves to various points in isolation. But depending on how the follow-up Q&A goes, we might find ourselves trying to deal with a conflicted version of Bunyan's Mr. Facing-both-ways. We shall see.For more from Doug, subscribe to Canon+: https://canonplus.com/  

Have a comment? Send us a text! (We read all of them but can't reply). Email us: Will@faithfulpoliticspodcast.comHow is Christian nationalism showing up inside the U.S. military chaplaincy, and why does it matter for religious freedom?In this episode, Will talks with Leigh Larson, a theologian, Air Force veteran, public scholar, and founder of Follow the Leighder. Larson's research focuses on Christian nationalism in U.S. military chaplaincy, giving her both personal experience and academic grounding for this conversation.Military chaplains serve at one of the most complicated intersections of church and state. They are religious leaders inside a government institution, but their job is supposed to protect the spiritual care of every service member, including people of different faiths and no faith at all.Larson explains how chaplains are trained, why endorsing bodies and faith codes matter, and what happens when spiritual care shifts toward proselytizing or political theology. The conversation covers religious pluralism, Wiccan and humanist recognition, Cold War civil religion, post-9/11 evangelical influence, and the growing concern over Christian nationalism inside military culture. Relevant Links & ResourcesFollow the Leighder: https://www.followtheleighder.com/Follow the Leighder Substack: https://followtheleighder.substack.com/Guest BioLeigh Larson is a theologian, veteran, and public scholar, and the creator and host of Follow the Leighder, a multi-platform society and culture brand reaching 245K+ followers across five platforms.She holds a Master of Theological Studies from Phillips Theological Seminary, where her thesis examined Christian Nationalism in US military chaplaincy through original research including 22 interview subjects and a 116-response survey. She is a 2025–2026 Disciples of Christ HELM Global Theological Fellow (one of nine selected nationally) and a 2025 Stone-Campbell Journal Graduate Essay Finalist. During her first year of seminary, she served in the United States Air Force Reserve as a Chaplain Candidate and Second Lieutenant. She holds a BA in International Relations from the University of Texas at Austin, where she was both a Presidential Scholar and Jefferson Scholar.When she is not recording or writing, Leigh is somewhere on the road with her dog, Professor Huckleberry.Support the show

What happens when you're raised to be a militant Christian nationalist Supreme Court justice, but you decide to actually study church history instead? This week, we are thrilled to welcome social media powerhouse, educator, and musician Monte Mader to the show! You probably know her from her viral videos expertly dismantling Christian nationalist talking points, but her story starts far from the internet spotlight. Monte shares her harrowing and fascinating journey of growing up on a remote cattle ranch in Wyoming, steeped in extreme patriarchal theology, purity culture, and doomsday rhetoric. What was it like being trained in apologetics from childhood, only to realize the history of the church didn't match the dogma she was force-fed? We dive into the terrifying realities of purity culture, the weaponization of biblical texts against women, and the intense backlash Monte faces online for refusing to submit or be silent. But it's not all doom and gloom! Amidst the doxxing and the hate mail, Monte shares why right now—as the mask of Christian nationalism slips completely off—is actually a time for profound, irrational hope. _____________________________________________ Want to see more of Monte? Follow her various socials at the following links: Her Website: https://montemader.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/montemader?igsh=bGUyY29lamtlNGhi Threads: https://www.threads.com/@montemader TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@montemader?_r=1&_t=ZP-971v8VHMsPv YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/@UCMfoN9bDN77VAd83ZFvwShA Substack: https://substack.com/@UCMfoN9bDN77VAd83ZFvwShA ______________________________________________ For early access to an ad-free version of every episode of Data Over Dogma, exclusive content, and the opportunity to support our work, please consider becoming a monthly patron at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/DataOverDogma⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on the various social media places: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/DataOverDogmaPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://x.com/data_over_dogma https://www.instagram.com/dataoverdogmapod/ Have you ordered Dan McClellan's New York Times bestselling book ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Bible Says So⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ yet??? Buy at this link: https://static.macmillan.com/static/smp/bible-says-so-9781250347466/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with ⁠⁠Billie Hoard shares her journey as a trans woman, her faith, and her perspective on Pride Month amidst current social and political challenges. The conversation explores themes of identity, faith, activism, and resilience, offering a nuanced view of the queer experience within faith communities. Billie on Substack | Billieiswriting.substack.com Chapters 05:06 The Spectrum of Pride: Celebration vs. Rage 18:15 The Personal Journey of Activism 24:00 Faith and Identity: A Trans Woman's Theology 31:15 Understanding Gender Identity and Personal Journey 49:50 The Importance of Therapy and Open Communication ____________________________________________________ TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We're part of the New Evangelical's 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Christian Nationalism has, unfortunately, not gone away since Jonathan and Seth discussed it last on the podcast. It grew slowly, insidiously, for years and will take similarly sustained work to prune it from religious and political spheres. In this episode, Jonathan and Seth do a close reading of Psalm 33:1-12. They argue that it is a particularly strong starting point to critique Christian Nationalism. And they discuss briefly the ways that pastors have been complicit in blurring Christianity and American democracy. We're glad you're with us! You may have had enough of Christian Nationalism, because you've heard us talk about, have to live with it's effects in your everyday life, or came from a church background heavily steeped in. We do not mind if you skip this episode; we hope you'll put yourself first and only listen if you have the bandwidth.

Ian Hoch addresses the Department of Defense drastically reducing its recognized religious affiliation codes for service members from over 200 to just 31.

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 This week on Straight White American Jesus, Brad and Dan trace the connections between Trump-era immigration policy, rising far-right extremism, and a growing international movement built around the idea of “remigration.” Beginning with unrest at New Jersey's Delaney Hall detention center, they examine former ICE official Greg Bovino's appearance at a European far-right conference and discuss how anti-immigrant rhetoric, Christian nationalism, and white identity politics are increasingly intertwined on both sides of the Atlantic. The conversation explores how language, policy, and political movements reinforce one another—and what it means when American officials and European extremists are drawing inspiration from the same playbook. The episode also dives into new Gallup polling showing declining support for LGBTQ+ rights after decades of gains, particularly among Republicans, and considers how coordinated religious and political campaigns have reshaped public opinion. Brad and Dan connect these trends to battles over schools, charter education, and public funding, while also unpacking Pete Hegseth's efforts to narrow religious representation in the military chaplaincy. They close with a discussion of free speech, the courts' response to the “8647” controversy, and several signs of hope—including a federal court ruling protecting transgender service members and the ongoing celebration of Pride Month. Along the way, they share exciting news about the next chapter of Axis Mundi Media, including new live programming, The Daily Brief, and plans to expand independent coverage of religion, democracy, and power. Axis Mundi is becoming more than a podcast network. We are building the essential newsroom for understanding religion, democracy, extremism, and power in America today. And with your support, we can build it together. Direct support: https://axismundi.supercast.com/donations/new Tax-deductible donations through our partnering 501c3: https://www.irmce.org/donate Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Patrick fields listener questions ranging from family challenges in blended households and the priorities Catholics hold in difficult situations, to biblical phenomena like the resurrection of saints in Matthew's Gospel. Rapid-fire shifts bring him to the heart of disputes over public perception, topics like Christian nationalism, and living a faithful Catholic life amid cultural shifts, while listeners recount raw experiences about self-defense, priestly celibacy, and the unexpected benefits of staying home with young children. The episode pulses with stories, real-world dilemmas, and an ever-present call to keep going—practical, sometimes messy, always grounded in faith. Rosie (email) – Does the husband has an obligation first to his wife. If she isn’t invited, shouldn’t he decline to attend the birthday party? I also thought the church taught God first, spouse second, children third, and everything else after that? (00:37) Patricia - Can you explain Matthew 27 where the tombs are opened? (04:51) Martin (11-years-old) - I heard that you said no one created God. What happened if you took one person away from God. (10:43) Mark - A lot of people are talking about the end of times. I think we need to make it a better world for the next generation instead of focusing on the 'end'. (13:44) Mary (email) – Keep going Mary - The first Pope was married, so why can’t priests marry now? (25:47) Nathaniel - What do you think about the Crusades? (29:06) Melissa - I want to encourage woman to be stay at home moms. It was the best decision I ever made. (32:31) Kim – Comment on being bullied (38:10) Jose - What do you think of Christian Nationalism? Is it bad to be proud of our Catholic religion? (44:31)

Frank Schaeffer talks with sociologist Michael O. Emerson about the updated edition of Divided by Faith: Evangelical Religion and the Problem of Race in America.They discuss why racial division inside white evangelical culture has intensified over the last 25 years, how Christian nationalism reshaped American politics, and why churches often failed to confront segregation while other institutions succeeded.Frank also shares personal reflections on growing up in Francis Schaeffer's community in Switzerland and living in apartheid South Africa.A grounded conversation about race, religion, power, memory, and the America we built._____LINKShttps://www.bakerinstitute.org/expert/michael-o-emersonhttps://christiansmith.nd.eduOur June It Has to Be Read. offering,Divided by Faith: Evangelical Religion and the Problem of Race in America, Second Edition on Bookshop_____I have had the pleasure of talking to some of the leading authors, artists, activists, and change-makers of our time on this podcast, and I want to personally thank you for subscribing, listening, and sharing 100-plus episodes over 100,000 times.Please subscribe to this Podcast, In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer, on your favorite platform, and to my Substack, It Has to Be Said. Thanks! Every subscription helps create, build, sustain and put voice to this movement for truth. Subscribe to It Has to Be Said. The Gospel of Zip will be released in print and on Amazon Kindle, and as a full video on YouTube and Substack that you can watch or listen to for free.Support the show_____In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer is a production of the George Bailey Morality in Public Life Fellowship. It is hosted by Frank Schaeffer, author of The Gospel of Zip.Learn more at https://www.thegospelofzip.com/Follow Frank on Substack, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Threads, TikTok, and YouTube.https://frankschaeffer.substack.comhttps://www.facebook.com/frank.schaeffer.16https://twitter.com/Frank_Schaefferhttps://www.instagram.com/frank_schaeffer_arthttps://www.threads.net/@frank_schaeffer_arthttps://www.tiktok.com/@frank_schaefferhttps://www.youtube.com/c/FrankSchaefferYouTubeIn Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer Podcast

Le patriotisme est-il une valeur biblique ? C'est une question légitime pour le chrétien, souvent partagé entre sa citoyenneté céleste — que la Parole de Dieu place au premier plan — et son ancrage terrestre, marqué entre autres par l'exemple du patriotisme d'Israël. Florent s'appuiera sur l'Histoire afin de montrer comment la croix a bouleversé les valeurs des civilisations, de quoi redéfinir les priorités absolues du croyant.

Dr Adam Koontz talks about Christian Nationalism and how the debates around it in the church relate to the proclamation of the gospel. Visit our website - A Brief History of Power Sign up for Memento, a Lutheran devotional for men. Dr Adam Koontz - Redeemer Lutheran Church Music thanks to Verny

Josh Hawley is a dyed-in-the-wool, self-described Christian nationalist. But he's careful not to make this too obvious in discussion of Christian masculinity and masculine virtue. But if we look past his smoke and mirrors, if look behind the curtain, his Christian nationalism comes through when he talks about role of men as “kings.” Check out this week's episode as Dan walks us through Hawley's Christian nationalist vision of America. Subscribe for $3.65: ⁠https://axismundi.supercast.com/⁠ Subscribe to our free newsletter: ⁠https://swaj.substack.com/⁠ Order American Caesar by Brad Onishi: ⁠https://static.macmillan.com/static/essentials/american-caesar-9781250427922/⁠ Donate to SWAJ: https://axismundi.supercast.com/donations/new Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Democrat James Talarico claims there are six sexes, God is non-binary, women are ‘neighbors with a uterus,' the Bible is silent on abortion, school vouchers are Christian Nationalism, and he prays in God's ‘many names' while ignoring His sovereignty over creation. I'll break it all down from a biblical perspective — next on the Endtime Show! 👉 Subscribe for daily updates on world events and prophecy👉 Learn more at https://watch.osn.tv/browse ⭐️: True Gold Republic: Get The Endtime Show special on precious metals at https://www.endtimegold.com 📱: It's never been easier to understand. Stream Only Source Network and access exclusive content: https://watch.osn.tv/browse 📚: Check out Jerusalem Prophecy College Online for less than $60 per course: https://jerusalemprophecycollege.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alicia Edmund is head of public policy for the Evangelical Alliance and leads the advocacy team's parliamentary engagement. She has worked on a range of issues including: asylum resettlement, refugee integration, poverty relief and religious freedom in the UK and overseas.Recently Alicia has been deeply involved in conversations on the rise of Christian Nationalism in the UK, helping policy makers and churches understand and engage with the use (and at times misuse) of Christian language and symbols in rallies, protests and politics. Is there a better way to pursue love of country and Christ? Justin asks Alicia whether we can re-enchant…. Christian Nationalism.For Alicia Edmund: https://www.eauk.org/author/alicia-edmundIf you found this conversation interesting, Seen & Unseen, the creators of Re-Enchanting, offers thousands of articles exploring how the Christian faith helps us understand the modern world. Discover more here: www.seenandunseen.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Send us Fan MailDuring the America 250 celebration, the Trump administration has partnered with Hillsdale College to produce various educational resources to promote a  view of America's founding which is slanted toward Christian nationalism. In this segment, I take on Mark David Hall's video on the faith of the founders. You can watch it on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5J4S5LPeWM.This segment thematically corresponds to chapter 5 in my book The Christian Past That Wasn't (christianpast.com). There is material in the podcast not in the book and much more material in the book than in the podcast. In today's segment I have help from Gregg Frazer, Dean of humanities at The Master's University, Greg Forster, professor of theology at Trinity Divinity School and Michael Coulter, professor of political science and humanities at Grove City College. In the video, it is important to point out that Hall speaks about the time of the founding as if African slaves and Indigenous people were not in the United States. I don't mention it either in the podcast episode, but I plan to do so when I get to the relavant chapter in the book. The music today is provided by Netop. You can stream these tracks in full by going to https://artists.landr.com/991043708780.Written, produced, and hosted by Warren Throckmorton

Join Dale Partridge as he exposes the Hart-Celler Act—the 1965 “suicidal immigration” bill that dismantled America's national-origins quotas and replaced them with chain migration and Third World flooding. Dale reveals how Jewish Congressman Emanuel Celler and Zionist Senator Philip Hart (with Ted Kennedy's false promises) deliberately transformed a 89% white, European Christian nation into a multicultural powder keg, leading to the Great Replacement, collapsing birth rates, welfare parasitism, biological invasion, and the road to civil war—all while politicians swore “nothing would change.” Follow Dale at: https://x.com/dalepartridge https://instagram.com/relearnhq

In this week's main episode, Matthew and Keith chat with the guys from the Red State Update to chat about the current administration from a southern perspective. Trust us when we say that you don't want to miss this episode. These guys are hilarious! If you want to call in to the Bonus Show, leave a voicemail at (530) 332-8020. We'll get to your calls on next Friday's Bonus Show. Or, you can email Matthew at matthew@quoir.com. Join The Quollective today! Use code "matthew50" to save 50% off a yearly subscription. Pick up the new book, Quantum Theology today, as well as The UnChristian Truth About White Christian Nationalism. Please consider signing up to financially support the Network: QuoirCast on Patreon Link mentioned in the show: https://lisasharonharper.substack.com/p/breaking-our-silence-in-the-clearing If you want to be a guest on the show, email keith@quoir.com. LINKS QuoirCast on PatreonQuoirCast on Patheos Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Dr. Mae Forrest Barnes. She reveals how questioning hierarchy and coercive power can ignite transformative social change—fueling movements that build community from the ground up. Mae's Substack | Maeforrestbarnes.substack.com ____________________________________________________ TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We're part of the New Evangelical's 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Notes Matthew 9:9-13, 18-26 Genesis 12:1-9 This episode explores the calling of Matthew and Abram, highlighting themes of inclusion, divine blessing, and God's ongoing work through imperfect people. It challenges listeners to reflect on how God's grace extends to all, especially those marginalized or misunderstood. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Pulpit Fiction Podcast 03:00 Exploring the Readings: Matthew and Genesis 05:54 The Calling of Matthew: Context and Significance 09:05 Jesus and the Unclean: Challenging Social Norms 11:54 The Role of Tax Collectors in Society 15:03 Grace and Redemption: Who is Worthy? 18:10 The Importance of Relationships in Transformation 20:50 Conclusion: The Message of Inclusion and Acceptance 23:06 The Healing Touch of Jesus 26:20 Compassion as a Driving Force 27:26 The Calling of Abram 30:41 A Shift in Divine Focus 32:41 Christian Nationalism and Its Implications 36:34 The Imperfect Agent of Blessing  

Texas just delivered a historic landslide for Ken Paxton, and the radical left has named their Senate challenger: James Talarico.In this hard-hitting episode of The Right Side, Doug Billings exposes Talarico's most outrageous statements in his own words — from claiming “God is non-binary” and there are “six biological sexes,” to calling Jesus Christ a “radical feminist,” demanding a “giant welcome mat” at the southern border, and labeling Christian nationalism “a cancer.”This is the exclusive, no-holds-barred conservative analysis you won't hear anywhere else. We break down exactly what these radical beliefs mean for Texas families, border security, faith, girls' sports, and the future of the U.S. Senate — plus why this matchup is a golden opportunity for America First conservatives.If you want the truth behind the headlines and the real stakes in the 2026 Texas Senate race, this episode is a must-listen.Subscribe to The Right Side for more unfiltered conservative commentary, share this episode with fellow patriots, and stay informed as the battle for the Senate heats up.Contribute to the show at: www.DougBillings.us#JamesTalarico #KenPaxton #TalaricoExposed #TexasSenate2026 #TheRightSide  #ConservativePodcast #AmericaFirst #TexasPolitics #Texas #fyp #DougBillingsSupport the show

Join Dale Partridge as he unpacks the Post-War Consensus and explains how America went from a strong, nationalistic, patriarchal, Christian nation to a secular hellhole of diversity, tolerance, feminism, multiculturalism, and radical individualism in under 60 years. In this episode, Dale traces the historical foundations that erased racial, sexual, national, and religious distinctions, reveals the five main drivers behind the shift—including collective guilt, Marxism, globalism, and the triumph of the selfish Boomer generation—and delivers a hard-hitting Weekly Audit exposing black partiality in the court system and the relentless cultivation of white guilt in mainstream media. Follow Dale at: https://x.com/dalepartridge https://instagram.com/relearnhq

Reflections on Rededicate 250. Watch this episode on YouTube Keep up with Russell: Sign up for the weekly newsletter where Russell shares thoughtful takes on big questions, offers a Christian perspective on life, and recommends books and music he's enjoying. Subscribe to the Christianity Today Magazine: Special offer for listeners of The Russell Moore Show: ⁠Click here⁠ for 25% off a subscription. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Paul Hoard. Together they explore the profound importance of play for adults, its psychological roots, and how it fosters joy, creativity, and community. This conversation challenges societal norms about maturity and highlights play as a vital tool for mental health and resistance. Chapters 03:09 Understanding Play: A Psychological Perspective 08:54 Societal Views on Play and Adult Engagement 14:54 The Chase: Motivation and Meaning in Play 17:48 Subjective vs. Objective Value in Games 30:46 The Power of Joy in Community 46:39 Joy as a Path to Thriving ____________________________________________________ TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We're part of the New Evangelical's 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Send us a Positive Review!Series Title: Religion IS Political [Part V of VII]In this episode exploring the intersection of religion and politics, Val & Nathan explore several specific areas where politics and religion are addressing the exact same fundamental questions around human dignity & worth; justice & injustice; and the appropriate use of power.  They then compare how these fundamental issues are confronted in real time on a world stage as Politician Donald Trump and Religious Leader Pope Leo XIV prove powerfully that politics and religion cannot be dissociated but must dialogue in order to find common ground in questions of human value, safety, and basic dignity.  They also each demonstrate (through their respective approaches and value systems) two very different levels of human moral & consciousness development.  Timestamps:00:00 Welcome and Setup 00:33 Religion Meets Politics 02:33 Same Core Questions06:21 Human Dignity and Rights 11:22 Consciousness Development and Political Behavior 13:35 When Laws Protect the Wrong Values14:40 Christian Nationalism and the LDS Church's Silence 20:42 LDS Shadow History and the Epstein Files 22:52 Justice and Accountability 26:07 Power Morality and Resistance 28:18 Rosa Parks and Inner Authority 30:03 Early Faith vs Transformation 33:08 Follow the Leader vs Follow the Divine Within 33:21 Elder Gilbert, ICE Raids, and LDS Silence 35:07 Legitimacy as the Highest Value in Mormonism 41:45 Pope Leo vs Trump 51:33 Episode Wrap and Next StepsSupport the showSupport the showListen, Share, Rate & Review EPISODESFriday Episodes Annual Access $89Friday Episodes Monthly Access $10Valerie's Support & Processing GroupsGift a ScholarshipDownload Free ResourcesVisit our WebsiteJoin Valerie in Italy 2026