Podcasts about Wesleyan Quadrilateral

Pastor Katie talks about using the Wesleyan Quadrilateral as a tool for theological and political discourse.

Dr. Brian Russell teaches on how biblical authority works in our lives. He uses the common “Wesleyan Quadrilateral” to explore our blindspots and help us to open a little more to the deep transformational work that God desires to do in us through our reading of Scripture Key resources mentioned:  Astonished by the Word: Reading Scripture for Deep Transformation (Invite Press): https://amzn.to/3W2oFqN Recommended Videos: Idolatherapy https://youtu.be/jpoEIYd0VMM   How Centering Prayer Can Help You Read Scripture for Deep Transformation https://youtu.be/AOV5jfbc0mM  Brian Russell's Other Books:  (re)Aligning with God: Reading Scripture for Church and World (Cascade, 2016) https://amzn.to/46tP8kV  Centering Prayer: Sitting Quietly in God's Presence Can Change Your Life (2021) https://amzn.to/2S0AcIZ   Invitation: A Bible Study to Begin With (Seedbed) https://my.seedbed.com/product/onebook-invitation-by-brian-russell/  Connecting with Brian:  Website: www.brianrussellphd.com  Twitter: @briandrussell  Instagram: @yourprofessorforlife  Interested in coaching or inviting Brian to speak or teach for your community of faith or group?  Email: brian@brianrussellphd.com  Links to Amazon are Affiliate links. If you purchase items through these links, Amazon returns a small percentage of the sale to Brian Russell. This supports the podcast and does not increase the price of the items you may choose to buy. Thank you for your support. #Wesleyanquadrilateral  #biblicalauthority #Biblestudy

Today, we'll explore how ancient Biblical economics and the Wesleyan Quadrilateral interact! Discover the importance of balancing all aspects of faith and how relying too heavily on just one can create spiritual imbalance, impacting our understanding and practice of faith.

When the Rev. Calvin Yashie Hill discovered the Wesleyan Quadrilateral as a seminary student, the Navajo holy man knew he had found his denominational home. Discover how Wesleyan discipleship aligns with indigenous spirituality and how understanding both can lead to a more welcoming church. Today's “Get Your Spirit in Shape” episode is part one of … Continue reading "Sacred Journeys: Weaving Navajo spirituality with Wesleyan faith"

Today we continue our sermon series "Fanning the Methodist Flame." Pastor Emily shares a sermon titled "Wesleyan Quadrilateral" referencing ‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭14‬-‭17‬. While you worship online, we invite you to fill out a connection card. This card is not only a way for us to connect with you but also an opportunity for you to share any prayer requests you may have: firstchurchorlando.org/connection-card Giving: firstchurchorlando.org/give-now Missed a past service? Check out our YouTube Channel for past services or you can find our Podcast wherever you podcast from. Like and Subscribe for more First Church content. Want to know more about First Church? Visit our website at firstchurchorlando.org

As United Methodists, we believe the Holy Spirit continually guides God's people into deeper understanding and interpretation of God's word. As we faithfully and fervently study the scriptures, the Holy Spirit uses our collective tradition, experience, and reason to lead us closer to God's Truth. This approach of our Methodist heritage has come to be known as the Wesleyan Quadrilateral.

This week, we look at a story from Acts 10/11 to explore the role experience plays in helping us know (1) how to form our faith, and (2) how to live our beliefs as contemporary followers of Jesus in the world today. Tune in as we round out our 3-part series on the Wesleyan Quadrilateral.

How do we live as Christians in our contemporary world—amid the rapid change, complexities, and cultural forces of our time and place? Today we begin a 3-part series looking closer at the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, a methodology for theological reflection and discernment that can help guide us through the moral questions and dilemmas faced in daily living. Katie kicks off our series by focusing on the role "tradition" plays in our life of faith.

United Methodists are people who are methodical about their process. To be the church, we have to make decisions about living in this world. We have a process for that. We use what is refered to as the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. As our Book of Disciple states, " [John] Wesley believed that the living core of the Christian faith was revealed in Scripture, illumined by tradition, vivified in personal experience, and confirmed by reason.”  Join us at 10:00 am in person (1630 Statesville Blvd in Salisbury, NC) or online this Sunday. Christ's death is not the end of the story.Thank you again for worshipping with us. For more information about our congregation, please visit our website at milfordhillsumc.org. If you would like to support Milford Hills UMC in our mission to Love, Serve, and Live as Christ, please feel free to go to milfordhillsumc.org/give and support our congregation through or Tithe.ly app. 

The Bible is our sacred book. Within it are countless truths we hold dear. God creates. God loves us. Jesus is the Son of God. The Bible also records failings and ideas that did not work. King David shattered the 10 Commandments. Leviticus offers sacrifices and laws that we do not follow any longer. The Bible has to be interpreted - and that is our theme this Sunday at Munger. The Extra Mile: While immensely important, the Bible is not the only source of faith. The tradition of the church, our thoughts, and experiences of the Holy Spirt all feed our faith. These three with the Bible form what is called the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Scripture, Tradition, Experience, and Reason all work together to illuminate our path. Pastor: Rev. Andy Nixon

The Bible is our sacred book. Within it are countless truths we hold dear. God creates. God loves us. Jesus is the Son of God. The Bible also records failings and ideas that did not work. King David shattered the 10 Commandments. Leviticus offers sacrifices and laws that we do not follow any longer. The Bible has to be interpreted - and that is our theme this Sunday at Munger. The Extra Mile: While immensely important, the Bible is not the only source of faith. The tradition of the church, our thoughts, and experiences of the Holy Spirt all feed our faith. These three with the Bible form what is called the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Scripture, Tradition, Experience, and Reason all work together to illuminate our path. Pastor: Rev. Andy Nixon

Join the women clergy of First Church of San Diego as they explore anger during the next several episodes of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast. They’ll examine where anger comes from, how we can manage it, and how Jesus encountered anger during the last week of his life. In this episode, Rev. Trudy and Rev. Brittany examine the dismissal Jesus faced by the chief priests, scribes, and elders who questioned his authority. They’re all in the same institution but occupying different positions and narratives, with Jesus wanting to preserve and honor tradition while amplifying the goodness that’s at its roots. This conversation is an examination of how we often feel threatened when others start to question why we do what we do and try to change our practices. Even if it will ultimately be for the better, we resist and lash out of fear and anger. Do you find yourself struggling to truly hear what others are saying? Do you struggle with theology and how to interpret the Bible? Rev. Trudy and Rev. Brittany will discuss this and more, tying in Methodism, John Wesley, and the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Want to join the discussion? We invite you to our weekly discussion group, Convergence. Taking place on our church campus in the Mission Valley neighborhood of San Diego or through Zoom. Get additional details online: In Person Online For this episode, we’ll be discussing the following questions: Do you love the institution more than the people? Do you love your power more than God’s movement? Do you value being right more than being in right relationship? What does right relationship look like to you?

Join the women clergy of First Church of San Diego as they explore anger during the next several episodes of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast. They’ll examine where anger comes from, how we can manage it, and how Jesus encountered anger during the last week of his life. In this episode, Rev. Trudy and Rev. Brittany examine the dismissal Jesus faced by the chief priests, scribes, and elders who questioned his authority. They’re all in the same institution but occupying different positions and narratives, with Jesus wanting to preserve and honor tradition while amplifying the goodness that’s at its roots. This conversation is an examination of how we often feel threatened when others start to question why we do what we do and try to change our practices. Even if it will ultimately be for the better, we resist and lash out of fear and anger. Do you find yourself struggling to truly hear what others are saying? Do you struggle with theology and how to interpret the Bible? Rev. Trudy and Rev. Brittany will discuss this and more, tying in Methodism, John Wesley, and the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Want to join the discussion? We invite you to our weekly discussion group, Convergence. Taking place on our church campus in the Mission Valley neighborhood of San Diego or through Zoom. Get additional details online: In Person Online For this episode, we’ll be discussing the following questions: Do you love the institution more than the people? Do you love your power more than God’s movement? Do you value being right more than being in right relationship? What does right relationship look like to you?

Join the women clergy of First Church of San Diego as they explore anger during the next several episodes of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast. They’ll examine where anger comes from, how we can manage it, and how Jesus encountered anger during the last week of his life. In this episode, Rev. Trudy and Rev. Brittany examine the dismissal Jesus faced by the chief priests, scribes, and elders who questioned his authority. They’re all in the same institution but occupying different positions and narratives, with Jesus wanting to preserve and honor tradition while amplifying the goodness that’s at its roots. This conversation is an examination of how we often feel threatened when others start to question why we do what we do and try to change our practices. Even if it will ultimately be for the better, we resist and lash out of fear and anger. Do you find yourself struggling to truly hear what others are saying? Do you struggle with theology and how to interpret the Bible? Rev. Trudy and Rev. Brittany will discuss this and more, tying in Methodism, John Wesley, and the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Want to join the discussion? We invite you to our weekly discussion group, Convergence. Taking place on our church campus in the Mission Valley neighborhood of San Diego or through Zoom. Get additional details online: In Person Online For this episode, we’ll be discussing the following questions: Do you love the institution more than the people? Do you love your power more than God’s movement? Do you value being right more than being in right relationship? What does right relationship look like to you?

Join the women clergy of First Church of San Diego as they explore anger during the next several episodes of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast. They’ll examine where anger comes from, how we can manage it, and how Jesus encountered anger during the last week of his life. In this episode, Rev. Trudy and Rev. Brittany examine the dismissal Jesus faced by the chief priests, scribes, and elders who questioned his authority. They’re all in the same institution but occupying different positions and narratives, with Jesus wanting to preserve and honor tradition while amplifying the goodness that’s at its roots. This conversation is an examination of how we often feel threatened when others start to question why we do what we do and try to change our practices. Even if it will ultimately be for the better, we resist and lash out of fear and anger. Do you find yourself struggling to truly hear what others are saying? Do you struggle with theology and how to interpret the Bible? Rev. Trudy and Rev. Brittany will discuss this and more, tying in Methodism, John Wesley, and the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Want to join the discussion? We invite you to our weekly discussion group, Convergence. Taking place on our church campus in the Mission Valley neighborhood of San Diego or through Zoom. Get additional details online: In Person Online For this episode, we’ll be discussing the following questions: Do you love the institution more than the people? Do you love your power more than God’s movement? Do you value being right more than being in right relationship? What does right relationship look like to you?

T. A. Noble considers the role given to Scripture in the New Testament church, in the patristic era, at the Reformation, during the Enlightenment, and in the nineteenth century. That will bring us to consider the Reformation/Evangelical view today, including the questions raised by historians, scientists, and by hermeneutics. The Wesleyan position will then be explored more specifically, including what has been called ‘the Wesleyan Quadrilateral' and how that should be properly understood. *This recording was created for discipleship place in September of 2021. To see more videos and training materials like this please click here. 00:00 Intro 00:36 A Wesleyan Understanding of the Authority of Scripture Part 2 22:41 If Jesus is the self revelation of God, is it problematic to say that the Bible is the self revelation of God so that scripture becomes a quasi-fourth person of the Trinity?  24:28 If the Nazarene view can be thought of as Soteriological inerrancy, does that not lead to picking and choosing what passages are really connected to salvation issues; thus picking what passages are authoritative for us, and what passages we can dismiss? 27:21 When we interpret scripture, how do we know when our interpretation is going off base? How do we test our interpretation? 40:51 What are the other alternatives to the historical critical approach? How many other approaches are there? 43:32 In interpreting scripture, what part does personal experience play? 47:26 Can you highlight some things that we've adopted in our social consciousness in the church that is influenced more by Reformed theology than Wesleyan or our Nazarene roots? 50:31 Resources you might recommend for adult classroom settings and discipling people related to the authority of scripture? 51:35 Do you have any writing, projects, or work that might address these types of things? 53:11 Discipleship Place: How to Study the Bible 54:27 Do you use science to interpret scripture? What does that look like? 57:13 Wrap-up 58:08 Outro

T. A. Noble considers the role given to Scripture in the New Testament church, in the patristic era, at the Reformation, during the Enlightenment, and in the nineteenth century. That will bring us to consider the Reformation/Evangelical view today, including the questions raised by historians, scientists, and by hermeneutics. The Wesleyan position will then be explored more specifically, including what has been called ‘the Wesleyan Quadrilateral' and how that should be properly understood. *This recording was created for discipleship place in September of 2021. To see more videos and training materials like this please click here. 00:00 Intro 00:36 Introduction of T. A. Noble 01:53 A Wesleyan understanding of the authority of the Bible 27:42 Thinking about Christological hymns that we have in the New Testament, and the example being 1 Corinthians 3:16; how widely and how early were they used in the word of preaching, or were they sung as an affirmation of the Gospel in those first 20 years?  29:31 Would it be more proper to end our prayers in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit? 51:23 You've sketched the Bible's authority in its relation to the Gospel. How does the modern view of inerrancy in scripture as God's self-revelation disconnect from the historical view? 53:10 What is to be understood by "necessary for faith" when talking about plenary inspiration of scripture? 56:03 Can you speak about whether the Apocrypha should or should not be treated as authoritative? And also speak about the same question regarding the Gnostic Gospels that are gaining a hearing today. 01:00:07 Am I understanding your starting point that the authority of the Bible is based in the authority of the Gospel as transmitted to the apostles? What implications does that have on the idea of Apostolic Succession? 01:02:39 How can the church, especially the local church, help to rebuild these theologies (natural theology, liberal theology) upon a biblical foundation?  01:06:40 Why is the Apocrypha not in our canon of scripture, and why are they not to be used to determine doctrine?  01:07:55 Closing 01:08:49 Outro

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The Roundtable: Discussions with Substance - Ep30 "The Wesleyan Quadrilateral" with Dr. John Robbins, Rev. Katye Chambers, Rev. Jay Clark, and Rev. Abbey Maynard.

Much like the Kool Aid Man busting through brick walls, Stephen is ready to put some modes and methods of biblical interpretation on blast. In particular, he's thinking that perhaps eisegesis isn't exactly the supreme sin that some say it is, because he thinks that (almost) literally everyone does it on a regular basis. And a lively discussion with actual disagreement ensues. Ooooh Yeah!Mentioned in the Episode: Dan McClellan on TikTok @maklelan 1 Kings 18:20-40 - Elijah and the Prophets of Baal Jesus Listens by Sarah Young Psalm 23 What is the Wesleyan Quadrilateral? Ravel Episode Support us: Join our Patreon community and buy us a drink at patreon.com/ravelpod for as little as $3/mo! Submit a voicemail by calling 601-55RAVEL (601-557-2835) or submit a voice memo to the inbox at theravelpod@gmail.com!  Order coffee and other merch at highline.network/shop! Take a minute to drop us a 5-star rating and a 1-2 sentence review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify!  Follow on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok at @ravelpod! Follow the hosts on social:  Josh Twitter: @joshlieuallen Stephen Twitter: @stephenghenning Emily Instagram: @RevRettinghouse Credits: Theme Song: In Full Color by Louie Zong on Spotify and Bandcamp Artwork: Yarn and Ravel by Dixie Lee Henning @dixieleedraws Editing/Sound Design by Stephen Henning Social Media by Josh Lieuallen Certified Organic benediction by Reverend Emily Rettinghouse, MDiv Ravel is a proud founding member of the Highline Media Network, a collective of artist owned podcasts by normal people in normal places. Learn more at highline.network.

Welcome to Daily SOAP from New Hope! Today's Reading: November 3, 2022 - Mark 7 - Read Here: https://www.bible.com/en-GB/bible/111/MRK.7.NLT To learn more about what those in the Methodist tradition call the "Wesleyan Quadrilateral" check out this video and blog post: https://www.wesleyan.org/the-wesleyan-quadrilateral Our staff and leadership employ what's called the “S.O.A.P. Method”. It stands for Scripture, Observation, Application, and Prayer. Each day, we read one or two chapters of Scripture and focus on one particular verse. We make some observations about how that verse touches us, discern how it applies to our lives, and offer a prayer related to what we have read. Donate via PayPal to support the podcasts and the Technical Arts Ministry of New Hope! https://goo.gl/o2a9oU Subscribe at: http://www.findnewhope.com/soap (813) 689-4161 keywords: devotional, bible study

The slippery slope. These three words provide the principle for exploring sexuality under the purview of Purity Culture. The slippery slope asks unmarried daters the question, “How far is too far?” How much physical contact and pleasure can I have before God gets pissed at me, and I have to apologize for being an abysmal human being? Is it making out? Necking? (Still not entirely sure what that means.) Is it hands on the butts, breasts, and/or genitals? Mouths on butts/breasts/genitals? While Lauren Winner's book Real Sex is theoretically about chastity, a word that Jeremiah describes as a “fancy, hyper-intellectual term for purity”, she spends much of the book wrestling with the above questions. Jeremiah says, “You want to know what the rules are so I can go as far against the slippery slope, have a pleasurable experience, but also be in good standings in the eyes of an angry and bitter God.” In our newest episode of Bedtime Stories, Jeremiah and Julia talk about the psychological and relational challenges that emerge from Real Sex, including: The distinction between values and practices (30:00): Winner takes the ethical approach that sexual practices lead to a series of values, so that if you commit to and succeed at not having premarital sexual intercourse, you've met your value as a righteous human being and favorable in God's eyes. Julia takes the opposite approach: “It's interesting how I sometimes can align with the values that Christianity holds, like sacredness—I also believe that sacredness is a part of sexuality, but I sure as hell don't have the same interpretation as Christians do. Christianity fuses value and practice, and anyone with a different operationalization somehow doesn't hold onto the value. If you think that sacred sex fits outside of these specific confines, you dob't believe that sex is sacred. Actually, yes I do! Values are different from practices, and I get to determine the practices that fit within the values.” Confession (47:00): Winner describes the value of the spiritual practice of confession. While Jeremiah and Julia hold a high value toward accountability, they also muse about the purpose of confessing when it comes to sexual behaviors. Julia surmises, “Sexuality in the Evangelical Church is rooted in the context of doing it wrong, so then, I need to pray harder and confess harder so that I can do it right.” This sets up the conundrum: What does it mean to do sex “right”? Jeremiah notes that the values of healthy sexuality as seen by the sexual health world—consent, non-harm, shared values, avoidance of STIs, honesty, mutual pleasure—are not the values of healthy sexuality in the church. Spontaneous sexuality (1:02:00): One of the most common false messages about sexuality is that it's supposed to be spontaneous. Julia observes: “If you're to go out and buy a condom or another type of contraception, that's a premeditated sin. So having a premarital sexual experience is still sinful, but less sinful because you didn't plan it in advance. It's less wrong if something happens that was unpredictable. If one were in a purity culture community and got caught up in the moment, that absolves the couple from reflecting on sexuality, because they can pin the “sexual sin” on feelings. That's how purity culture sets people up to fail: The only way they can engage in a sexual situation is getting caught up in the moment.” An ethical framework (1:06:00): Winner's goal in Real Sex is to discuss a sexual ethic around sexuality, and specifically, chastity. Jeremiah and Julia explain, “Ethics is a decision making process, but if ethics and behaviors are linked, there's no decision making process, because you just do the behaviors that are given to you.” Jeremiah notes a flaw in Winner's approach: The Wesleyan Quadrilateral is a common ethical decision making process used by theologians, and it says that wisdom is taken from scripture, experience, tradition, and reason—what does science, sociology say about this? Winner values experience, scripture, and tradition, but actually leaves out reason, which is what educational platforms strengthen. It's a tragic move. If you're not willing to talk about the science of sexuality, your perspective on ethics is limited, and not particularly relevant. The panopticon (1:21:00): Jeremiah and Julia discuss a scene in Real Sex where Winner explores the slippery slope by encouraging readers to ask how comfortable they would be with other people watching them engaging in levels of sexual activity at, say, the Washington Monument, knowing that if the viewers were church members, there would be severe judgment. Jeremiah is reminded of Foucault's panopticon analogy—the panopticon being the watchful tower that stood in the middle of 19th and early 20th century prisons, where guards could watch the behavior of prisoners and punish those who misbehaved. Jeremiah explains: The church's job and responsibility is to hold people accountability so that people don't “stumble into sin”. It becomes my job to say something to whip people into shape. So, if I'm dating, I have to set my expectations around someone's discomfort, knowing they might chastise and punish me. Not only then am I unable to make my own decisions that work for our relationship, we have to consider that people around us may punish us for moving into a sexual situation that moves outside of the normal realm of purity culture. The implications of the Washington Monument metaphor, where the community will do whatever they can, including fear mongering tactics, to keep folks on the straight and narrow. It moves the conversations into a series of What ifs? That doesn't allow for exploration, flourishing, or to figure out what works for you on your own terms. You're always pushing back against the church, the panopticon. Jeremiah and Julia conclude that Real Sex “sets up a way to figure out how to make sense for someone to work sexually, but it's shrouded under the fear of the watchful eye: an angry God who coincides with an angry community.” What were other messages, helpful or unhelpful, that you remember from reading Real Sex?

Scripture Reading: John 9:1-41 1 Now as Jesus was passing by, he saw a man who had been blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who committed the sin that caused him to be born blind, this man or his parents?” 3 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but he was born blind so that the acts of God may be revealed through what happens to him. 4 We must perform the deeds of the one who sent me as long as it is daytime. Night is coming when no one can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” 6 Having said this, he spat on the ground and made some mud with the saliva. He smeared the mud on the blind man's eyes 7 and said to him, “Go wash in the pool of Siloam” (which is translated “sent”). So the blind man went away and washed, and came back seeing.8 Then the neighbors and the people who had seen him previously as a beggar began saying, “Is this not the man who used to sit and beg?” 9 Some people said, “This is the man!” while others said, “No, but he looks like him.” The man himself kept insisting, “I am the one!” 10 So they asked him, “How then were you made to see?” 11 He replied, “The man called Jesus made mud, smeared it on my eyes and told me, ‘Go to Siloam and wash.' So I went and washed, and was able to see.” 12 They said to him, “Where is that man?” He replied, “I don't know.”13 They brought the man who used to be blind to the Pharisees. 14 (Now the day on which Jesus made the mud and caused him to see was a Sabbath.) 15 So the Pharisees asked him again how he had gained his sight. He replied, “He put mud on my eyes and I washed, and now I am able to see.”16 Then some of the Pharisees began to say, “This man is not from God because he does not observe the Sabbath.” But others said, “How can a man who is a sinner perform such miraculous signs?” Thus there was a division among them. 17 So again they asked the man who used to be blind, “What do you say about him, since he caused you to see?” “He is a prophet,” the man replied.18 Now the Jewish religious leaders refused to believe that he had really been blind and had gained his sight until at last they summoned the parents of the man who had become able to see. 19 They asked the parents, “Is this your son, whom you say was born blind? Then how does he now see?” 20 So his parents replied, “We know that this is our son and that he was born blind. 21 But we do not know how he is now able to see, nor do we know who caused him to see. Ask him, he is a mature adult. He will speak for himself.” 22 (His parents said these things because they were afraid of the Jewish religious leaders. For the Jewish leaders had already agreed that anyone who confessed Jesus to be the Christ would be put out of the synagogue. 23 For this reason his parents said, “He is a mature adult, ask him.”)24 Then they summoned the man who used to be blind a second time and said to him, “Promise before God to tell the truth. We know that this man is a sinner.” 25 He replied, “I do not know whether he is a sinner. I do know one thing—that although I was blind, now I can see.” 26 Then they said to him, “What did he do to you? How did he cause you to see?” 27 He answered, “I told you already and you didn't listen. Why do you want to hear it again? You people don't want to become his disciples too, do you?”28 They heaped insults on him, saying, “You are his disciple! We are disciples of Moses! 29 We know that God has spoken to Moses! We do not know where this man comes from!” 30 The man replied, “This is a remarkable thing that you don't know where he comes from and yet he caused me to see! 31 We know that God doesn't listen to sinners, but if anyone is devout and does his will, God listens to him. 32 Never before has anyone heard of someone causing a man born blind to see. 33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.” 34 They replied, “You were born completely in sinfulness, and yet you presume to teach us?” So they threw him out.35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, so he found the man and said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?” 36 The man replied, “And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?” 37 Jesus told him, “You have seen him; he is the one speaking with you.” [ 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. 39 Jesus said,] “For judgment I have come into this world, so that those who do not see may gain their sight, and the ones who see may become blind.”40 Some of the Pharisees who were with him heard this and asked him, “We are not blind too, are we?” 41 Jesus replied, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin, but now because you claim that you can see, your guilt remains.Main ThemesThe SettingSince the beginning of chapter 7, we have had a continuous sequence of events. Chapters 7, 8, 9, and 10 are one “scene.” Because the chapters tell one narrative, but we tend to study them separately (out of convenience, not for any theological reason), we need to be intentional in carrying over the information provided in the earlier chapters that apply to the later chapters in this story.For purposes of chapter 9, we must remember the chronology of the Feast of Tabernacles. The feast lasted eight days. It began on a Sabbath (a Saturday) and it ended on the next Sabbath. Beginning with verse 7:37, all the action has been occurring “[o]n the last day of the feast.“ That means chapter 9 is happening during a Sabbath.In chapter 9, Jesus heals a blind man on the Sabbath. Sounds familiar. It didn't go well the first time, how will it go over this time? (Spoiler: not well.)Who Committed the SinAfter Jesus heals a blind man on the Sabbath for the first time (see John 5), Jesus tells the man, “Look, you have become well. Don't sin any more, lest anything worse happen to you.” (v. 5:14) As I discussed during Session 10, Jesus words should not be assumed to mean that sickness will occur as a supernatural result of the man's sin. That very well may be the case, but one could also take Jesus' words in a more ordinary way. Sometimes sin naturally leads to injury and disease. Sexual immorality can lead to sexually transmitted diseases. In some parts of the world, stealing could lead to one's hands being lost. Drug use can lead to addiction and mental illness. The list could go on.However, the first-century world did believe there was a strong connection between ailments and sin—particularly in the case of blindness. Jewish literature provides examples of the connection. For example, according to one contemporary source, one who saw a blind, lame, or otherwise seriously afflicted person should praise God as judge. Presumably, the assumption was that the person must have done something to properly merit such a condition. However, the case should not be overstated. Certainly the contemporary Jewish people understood that sin could cause affliction as a natural consequence (like the examples in the previous paragraph). They also believed that demons could cause disease, so God was not the only available cause.What is curious (to put it mildly) about the blind man in chapter 9 is that he was blind from birth. This limits the range of options. The man could not have caused his own blindness in a natural sense, and no one seems to posit demon possession. Therefore God must have caused his blindness. Moreover, in a further logical leap, it must have been for someone's sin. Who's sin? That is how the conversation begins.Many people at the time would have accepted the possibility that the man's blindness was the result of the parents' sin—most likely of the mother's while she was pregnant. Some people at the time may have also believed in prenatal activity significant enough to constitute sin. This is not a Jewish example but Isis and Osiris were said to have copulated in the womb. (Weird, I know.)As much as our modern sensibilities may be offended by the idea that someone may suffer illness for someone else's sins, Jesus reply may be even more offensive to modern readers. He explains, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but he was born blind so that the acts of God may be revealed through what happens to him.”God in his sovereignty orchestrated the man's illness such that a great good would come of it. Notice that this is a very powerful response to the problem of evil and suffering in general. Why would a good God allow evil and suffering in the world? Perhaps God has a plan. Maybe he is working all this out for good. In fact, the logical “Problem of Evil” is no longer very popular in the philosophical community. It is impossible to show that God can have no justifying reasons to allow evil and pain. The philosophical battle is now the probabilistic “Problem of Evil.” In other words, given the current state of the world is it more or less probable that a good God exists.Spittle and DirtJesus spat on the ground and made some mud. In the ancient world, spittle was sometimes associated with curative powers. For example, emperor Vaspasian (who postdates Jesus by a few decades) reportedly also healed blindness with spittle. This tradition regarding spittle already existed in the Jewish world, although it was probably borrowed from the Gentile world. Perhaps Jesus uses spittle because his audience would have understood the reference: Jesus was curing someone. The other alternative is that this is an allusion to the creative act of Genesis 2:7. (Genesis 2:7 says, “The Lord God formed the man from the soil of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.”)There is a potential double entendre in the word “smeared,” which other translations may translate as “applied.” This is the same word as “anoint.” To anoint means to apply oil. Anointing has a powerful religious meaning. Both in the Old and New Testaments, it means one blessed by God. In the New Testament, God anoints with the Holy Spirit (e.g., Acts 10:38). Perhaps Jesus anointing the blind man with mud giving him physical sight is a prefigurement of Jesus anointing believers with the Holy Spirit giving them spiritual sight.Jesus sends the blind man to wash himself in the pool of Siloam. This was the exact same pool used in the water-drawing ritual during the Feast of Tabernacles (remember, the feast going on “right now” in the story world). Jesus uses the “holy water” of the festival for his own purposes. Talk about cultural appropriation.What Will the Neighbors Think?The blind man is healed and the “neighbors” are amazed and confused.In Jerusalem, a man could survive as a beggar though he would remain poor. Jewish contemporaries emphasized charity. Charity towards the destitute was also commanded in the Old Testament. (However, I do not want to give the misimpression that a life of begging was viewed favorably in any way. Jewish contemporaries recognized begging as a shameful condition to be avoided—perhaps even to the point of death, i.e., it would be better to die than to live as a beggar.)The main point is that the “neighbors” were probably Jerusalemites. These were people who had seen the blind man beg on a daily basis since, probably, a very early age. They had probably donated to him regularly. They had indisputable knowledge of the blind man and his condition. When the healing occurred, the neighbors are shocked to the point of denial. Making Mud on the SabbathJesus is doubly guilty of breaking the Sabbath, the Pharisees will claim. Not only did Jesus heal on the Sabbath like he did back in chapter 5, but he made mud on the Sabbath! Sadly, I am not kidding. Notice how the text keeps going back to the mud. “Now the day on which Jesus made the mud and caused him to see was a Sabbath.”The Pharisees do not praise God for the healing. Even if they intend to investigate a potential violation, they do not seek Jesus first to obtain first-hand testimony. They simply accuse Jesus of being a sinner (i.e., he cannot be from God because he does not observe the Sabbath).The TrialThe text immediately shifts into a sort of legal proceeding. The Pharisees treat the blind man and his parents as witnesses.An Epistemological ConflictNotice that there is an epistemological conflict between the Pharisees and the blind man. The Pharisees “know” from their interpretation of the law. They know that the law forbids working on the Sabbath. So they know that Jesus cannot be from God. The blind man “knows” from experience. He knows he was blind. He knows that he can see. So, he knows that Jesus must be from God. For the sake of clarity, I am not trying to make a larger point about epistemology here, like whether we should trust our own experience more than scripture. I think that would be a dangerous conclusion to draw. Jesus never undermines the Torah. Jesus does, however, also appeal to experience. See the miracles and believe. Even through clear and convincing miracles the Pharisees were unwilling to consider that perhaps they did not “know” the Torah as well as they thought. Or, more accurately, the Pharisees were unwilling to recognize their hypocrisy and ill intentions. It's not so much that they “knew” the scriptures condemned Jesus as much as they were committed to that statement because it served their purposes. As we have seen throughout the Gospel of John, this inability to see is not an intellectual shortcoming but a moral one.As an interesting side note, an example of biblical hermeneutics that accounts for both scripture and experience is the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, which considers scripture as the first authority and then also takes into account tradition, reason, and experience. For example, Wesley praises the church fathers because not only did they remain faithful to Christian doctrine “[b]ut still they never relinquish this: 'What the Scripture promises, I enjoy. Come and see what Christianity has done here, and acknowledge it is of God.'“Only a Man of God Could Do ThisThe Pharisees recognize a problem with their argument. They believed that no one would be able to restore blindness like Jesus did unless that man were from God. Remember John 3:1-2: “Now a certain man, a Pharisee named Nicodemus, who was a member of the Jewish ruling council, came to Jesus at night and said to him, ‘Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs that you do unless God is with him.'” So the Pharisees must deny the healing.Rigging the TrialThe Pharisees call on the blind man's parents to testify. Before the testimony, they rig the trial. Anyone who confesses Jesus as the Christ will be excommunicated. The text does not explicitly say this, but the Pharisees probably hoped that with enough pressure the parents would even deny that their child had really been blind. The parents would have earned great favor with the religious leaders if they had testified that their son had faked his illness to receive charity. The blind man's parents are in fact intimidated. They are only willing to confirm that their son was blind and can now see. How that happened? They won't say. Ask our son, they say instead, he is “mature” or “of age.” That means that the blind man is at least 13 but could be much older.The Blind Man's FaithThe Pharisees call the blind man to the stand once more. Notice the leading the question. They demand (if I paraphrase), “Condemn Jesus as a sinner.” But the blind man is an example of faith. He may not fully know who Jesus is but he will not deny the miracle. “Say what you will about Jesus, but I was blind and now I see.” The Pharisees give him one more chance to recant his statement. “Tell us again what he did to you.” The blind man responds with mockery. “Do you want me to tell you again so you also might believe?” Of course that's not the reason for the Pharisees' question.The Pharisees go on the offensive. They insult the blind man, “You are his disciple!” This works on two levels. First, it is an accusation of bias. The blind man is lying for the benefit of his master. Second, as the Pharisees claim to be disciples of Moses, it is accusing the blind man of betraying their religion and their God. Notice that both the “you are” and “we are” are emphatic in Greek. It is like saying, “I myself had to fix it” to emphasize who performed the action. This is a heated debate filled with accusatory overtones.The Pharisees make one more claim. “We do not know where this man comes from!” We have discussed this idea extensively in prior sessions. Jesus is from above; he is from God; he is from heaven. The religious leaders refuse to see this. In this case, the Pharisees may not only be accusing Jesus of being a stranger to Jerusalem and their religious community but also perhaps accusing him of being an illegitimate child.The blind man goes on the offensive himself. Remember that everyone, the Pharisees included, granted the premise that only a man of God could do the miraculous signs that Jesus was doing. The blind man points this out and leaves the Pharisees with no excuse. Additionally, the blind man's claim that no one had ever heard of a blind man from birth being healed appears to be historical when considered in context. Such claims existed in the Gentile world but they did not seem to exist in the Jewish world.The Pharisees stoop low. Remember the assumption was that the man's blindness was caused by sin. The Pharisees have no issues using that assumption. “You are a filthy sinner and you dare attempt to correct us, disciples of Moses?”Notice that the blind man grows in his belief and understanding of Jesus as more information is presented to him. First Jesu is a “man” (v. 9:11), then a “prophet” (v. 9:17), and finally “Son of Man” (v. 9:35-37).Jesus Comes to JudgeRemember John 3:17-18:For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.The word for “condemn” in John 3 is the same as the word for judge in John 9 when Jesus says:For judgment I have come into this world, so that those who do not see may gain their sight, and the ones who see may become blind.This sure seems like a contradiction at first blush. Let's consider what contradiction means. The law of non-contradiction says that two contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time. Both verses quoted above refer to the same time: Jesus coming into the world. But, do both verses refer to judgment in the same sense? I do not think so. Consider John 12:47-50:I have come as a light into the world, so that everyone who believes in me should not remain in darkness. If anyone hears my words and does not obey them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. The one who rejects me and does not accept my words has a judge; the word I have spoken will judge him at the last day. For I have not spoken from my own authority, but the Father himself who sent me has commanded me what I should say and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is eternal life. Thus the things I say, I say just as the Father has told me.What do all three passages in John tell us when read in conjunction? Jesus did not come to judge in the sense of inflicting immediate punishment—i.e., condemn. Those who hear Jesus and disobey he does not condemn. They may continue to do as they please. Jesus is on earth to save not to destroy. However, the revelation that comes through Jesus will eventually judge in the sense of deciding or determining. Jesus' words divide people between those who believe and those do not. And in the last day, at the final judgment, that is the only consideration that will matter.The Great ReversalJesus words at the end of this chapter are enigmatic. “For judgment I have come into this world, so that those who do not see may gain their sight, and the ones who see may become blind.” Jesus also says, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin, but now because you claim that you can see, your guilt remains.”To gain sight is only valuable to one who is blind. To anyone who who thinks that they can already see, that offer is worthless. A doctor is only valuable to a sick man, not to a healthy man. Salvation is only valuable to a condemned sinner, not to a righteous man.Consider these statements found in Matthew 9:12-13:“Those who are healthy don't need a physician, but those who are sick do.”“I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”The word “gospel” comes from “god-spell” meaning a “good story.” Gospel is in turn a translation of the Latin word euangelion that means “good news.” What is “good” about the news of Jesus? Christ has come to save the world. He offers this salvation freely to all who would believe in him. But notice that this message is not just pointless but offensive to someone who thinks that they need no saving. That offense, I think, is why those who see become blind. Whatever truth is held by those who see is intentionally discarded by the offense of the good news. They turn deliberately and vehemently from the truth of the gospel. In this way, those who recognize their need are given all things while those who recognize their good things lose all things.

In this episode, Pastor Grant Caldwell and Sr. Pastor Paul Lawler look at the second chapter of  Are We Really Better Together?. This chapter asks, "Are we divided on the Bible?" Through conversation, we seek to understand how John Wesley approached the Bible and how Wesleyans have understood Scripture for centuries. We also look at questions of authority. Do we have any authority over the Bible, or does it have it completely over us? ResourcesScripture and The Life of GodExperience in the so-called "Wesleyan Quadrilateral"What Is Deconstruction?Adam Hamilton: "A Thinking Person's Guide to the Christian Faith" A Thinking Christian's Response to "Adam Hamilton Comes to Birmingham" Pt. 1A Thinking Christian's Response to "Adam Hamilton Comes to Birmingham" Pt. 2

John 15:26-John 16:11 Work of the Holy Spirit 1. Conviction: The “Convictor” of sin in ourselves and others. a. Small voice that says, “Go this way.” (John 14:25-27) b. We can “speak the truth in love” but we can't ultimately do the work of changing someone's heart and mind. (Ephesians 4:11-17) 2. Righteousness Revealed: Making clear God's Way of Salvation and Life. a. Jesus' death and coming resurrection. (2 Corinthians 5:21) b. The old self being put to death and made new. (2 Corinthians 5:14-20) c. Empowered by the Holy Spirit to live Holy (separate) (Titus 2:11-14, Ephesians 4:20-5:20) i. Whisper (Promptings) of God's Voice, Gut feeling, Audible Guidance ii. Hunger for God's Way (Psalm 34:8-9) 3. Judgement Pardoned: Through the completed work of Jesus our sins are forgiven and through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit we live “pardoned” lives. Jesus' work is complete (Romans 3:22-24) Faith in Christ gives pardon from eternal death (Romans 3:25-26) Grace from the Holy Spirit to live Holy. (Ephesians 2:3-10) God's grace for God's assignment (Ephesians 2:3-10) 4. Unity Through Christ with One Another: The Holy Spirit Empowers Believers to live in Unity (John 17:20-24) a. Unity in Christ is greater than unity in Policy or Politics i. The order matters! Confusion comes when our primary motivators are different. b. How do we interpret these cultural moments? The Wesleyan Quadrilateral i. Scripture ii. Church History iii. Reason iv. Experience c. Unity around Christ shows the world the love for which Christ was sent. A life bent towards God is marked by surrendering to the voice and activity of the Holy Spirit.

29.05.2022 Rev. Joey Millington

A look at the Wesleyan Quadrilateral

A look at the Wesleyan Quadrilateral

We are talking about who we are - United Methodists in the buckle of the Bible Belt. Today's topic of conversation-- scripture and the Wesleyan Quadrilateral.

Blogger, speaker, and podcaster Kate Boyd joins us to discuss the process of deconstruction, how to approach it, and the importance of not doing it alone. Find all of Kate's info here: KateBoyd.co (https://www.KateBoyd.co) Wesleyan Quadrilateral (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesleyan_Quadrilateral) Film: "Shadowlands" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowlands_(1993_film)) Special Guest: Kate Boyd.

On this episode Rev. Kathie and Ben discuss how the Wesleyan Quadrilateral can help with discerning and discovering God's path he has for each one of us. We really hope you enjoy our conversation and find some useful nuggets of wisdom to help yourself to grow closer to God! Thank you so much for listening and subscribing. If you feel led please leave a positive review on our Apple podcast along with 5 star rating as it helps the channel out tremendously. WE LOVE YOU thank you for the SUPPORT and Love!! Blessings, Podcast Team

The Notorious KSP (aka Karen Swallow Prior) joins us to talk about faith, literature, the state of the church, and how to survive on social media. And we don't talk about the Wesleyan Quadrilateral at all! 

John McKee discusses how today's Messianic people can be positively affected by the Wesleyan Quadrilateral.

 The Wesleyan Quadrilateral is a misunderstood tool in theology. Several people sent a video my way from the Included Conference (a virtual event) and encouraged me to respond. In that video, a well-known speaker in Salvation Army circles describes his theological evolution to embrace a progressive understanding of human sexuality (find the link below). The speaker, Chick Yuill, in the 1980s, wrote clear catechesis material on this topic and now “washes his hands” of what he wrote then.  This message got my attention. What troubled me most in this presentation was the way he employed the Wesleyan Quadrilateral in his argument. This podcast represents my general response to that presentation. You can a YouTube link to this new podcast here:  YouTube - https://youtu.be/DBkeVysbR0g I produce regular content from an orthodox Wesleyan worldview, you can sign up for my email list here. I am offering a free tool to help teachers and preachers prepare for ministry to people who sign up this month. Today's episode is brought to you by two sponsors: Keith Waters and his team at WPO Development do an amazing job helping non-profits and churches through mission planning studies, strategic plans, feasibility studies, and capital campaigns. We are honored to have Keith and WPO on the More to the Story team. You can find out more about them at www.wpodevelopment.comor touch base directly with Keith at Keith.Waters@wpodevelopment.com.AND Bill Roberts is a financial advisor, who has been serving the retirement planning and investment needs of individuals, families, non-profits, and churches for 25 years. He is a Certified Financial Planner and accredited investment fiduciary.  Bill specializes in working with Salvation Army employees and officers by helping them realize their financial goals. You can find out more about Bill's business at www.WilliamHRoberts.com Here's a link to the video from the Included Conference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G62Q0kT3re4&t=179s     

As we all do experience through the lens of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, its always important to include our experience in any theological conversation. The knowledge of God is no different. Today's episode of Pints and Perspectives is dedicated to the knowledge of God through the experience of Pastor Cullen. Happy Listening! If you would like to partner with us financially we would be honored and you can do so here: https://mywellhousechurch.churchcente... Our Socials: WellHouse Church Website: mywellhouse.church Instagram: @mywellhouse.church Facebook: @mywellhouse.church Youtube: Wellhouse Church - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1Ls... Pastor Cullen Instagram: @PastorCullen Facebook: @Pastor Cullen Youtube: @PastorCullen - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfUd... Clayton Instagram: @jcware99 Facebook: Clayton Ware Our Identity: WellHouse Church is a church seeking to reimagine what the church is. Too many people have been hurt by a church in their past, because church has become something that it was never meant to be: an event or building that we attend. At WellHouse, we believe that the people of God are the church and that the love of God should be experienced through the people of God. So, WellHouse has returned to a New Testament expression of our faith by meeting in homes and dedicating ourselves to: the teaching of the scriptures, the fellowship of the believers, the breaking of bread together, and praying together for one another. We are focused on being a genuine expression of Christian hospitality and service to our community and the people of our community. At WellHouse we want to be a place where people can Be Real, Be Relational, and Be Restored. As our leadership was dreaming up this vision, we looked at Scripture and saw that the earliest expressions of the church met in homes and it was rare that all of the believers were together. Today, most churches have found themselves spending a large portion of their budget on buildings that they rarely use. Not WellHouse. We want to keep our overhead low so we can spend our money on the things that matter, being the hands and feet of Jesus. So, we meet in the homes of our members for the majority of our meetings. Once per month, we all come together at a rented facility to devote our selves together as the whole church for the purpose of worshipping God together.

What were you taught about the Bible? A lot of us were raised on the mantra of, “If the Bible says it, that settles it,” but have you ever had that horrible sinking feeling when you realized, “Oh, that didn't settle it”? In today's episode, we use the story of Andy Stanley's infamous “The Bible Told Me So” sermon to unpack the things we've been taught about the Bible and how we can begin to have a more balanced understanding of the Bible's role in our faith. We introduce the concept of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral and the ways we can integrate tradition, reason, and experience into our faith and decision-making.Music from Uppbeat (free for Creators!):https://uppbeat.io/t/sonda/your-own-worldLicense code: 1WX6GFMRRZEGMYVC

We cast lots to choose a topic today, since Josh is so full of ideas, he didn't know which one to select! The fates had in mind a conversation about faith and the interplay with reason and rationality. We discuss our shifting among the colors in spiral dynamics, the relevance of reason in the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, and Kierkegaard's "leap of faith".Mentioned in the episode:  Reasonable Faith Org On Guard by William Lane Craig The God Who Is There by Francis Schaeffer These scientists can prove it's possible to reduce prejudice Follow the hosts on Twitter:  Josh: @joshlieuallen Emily: @RevRettinghouse Stephen: @stephenghenning Join our community at patreon.com/ravelpod! You can also connect with Ravel on Twitter and Instagram at @ravelpod.Thank you to Louie Zong for use of his song In Full Color, off his album, Here. Find his work on Spotify and Bandcamp!Ravel is a proud founding member of the Highline Media Network, bringing the art of podcasting back to normal people in normal places.

This week we cover chapter 6 in “The Magnificent Story.” I have two concerns about stories: 1. We think the story is about us, but the magnificent story is Jesus' story. It truly is the greatest story ever told. Colossians 1:15-18 is mouth-dropping. Jesus came in the flesh to show us the way to God. In fact, He is God. Because of His life, death, resurrection, ascension, and pouring out the Holy Spirit, we can have a magnificent story, too. Knowing this compels us to worship. We have a magnificent story only when we are in relationship with Him, shaped by His Word. 2. Some stories are insufficient. To be magnificent, the story must have all three components: beauty, goodness and truth. Just because I have had an experience or feel a certain way, does not necessarily mean that it is beautiful, good, and especially true. In chapter 3, “Participating in the Trinity,” Jim wrote about the Wesleyan Quadrilateral (see diagram). We test truth based on four things: Scripture is the foundation. John Wesley was a man of one book, the Bible. However, we also need to steep ourselves in nearly 2,000 years of Christian tradition. What has the church taught? We learn from others. Third, we are not anti-intellectual—so we insist upon using reason. Finally, the candle on top of the cake is experience. Unless we experience Christ as real in our hearts, we are not personally connected with Jesus. Too many Christians today begin conversations with “I think, I feel,” and “this is my truth.” Pilate famously asked Jesus, “What is truth?” Pilate didn't comprehend the One who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Jesus is the One who sets us free. Our story cannot be magnificent unless it ends with “And they all lived happily ever after.” Only Jesus can help us live happily ever after. We can never do that on our own.

There are differences of opinion today regarding what is truth. Events happen around the world, and reports describing those events vary significantly. Sometimes it is had to believe the different reports are describing the same event. In other instances, large amounts of scientific data are collected, and widely differing conclusions are drawn from the same data. This has left many wondering if science can be trusted to discern the truth and provide reliable guidance. Ultimately, the issue rests on the difference between knowledge and wisdom where one can be thought of as information and the other is the interpretation and application of that information in a reliable, truthful manner.This week we look at wisdom from the perspective of ancient Hebrew writings. In the first chapter of Proverbs, we see wisdom described as a woman desperately trying to get our attention, yet unsympathetic when people refuse to listen and suffer theconsequences. We also will look at Psalm 19 where we are reminded how God speaks the truth to us through scripture as well as through our everyday experiences. Like power, knowledge can be used for good or bad purposes, and it is wisdom that can lead us toward greater peace through responsible use of our growing knowledge.

There are so many, it's hard to cover. Today, you'll get a broad understanding of the beliefs United Methodists embrace. We utilize ideas of faith and good works, as well as the elements of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. How do they enhance our faith? Check out today's message to see.

In this episode members of the Fundamental Wesleyan Society discuss the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. This is the second part of a two-part series.   

In this episode members of the Fundamental Wesleyan Society discuss the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. This is the first part of a two-part series. 

In the third episode of "The Unlearning Podcast," Ashley explains the history of "Biblical Inerrancy" within the evangelical church and offers up the Wesleyan Quadrilateral as well as "The Fruit Test" as alternative ways of interpreting Scripture. Connect with Ashley on Instagram and Twitter. 

The Catholic perspective on soteriology is quite different than Protestant ideas. Part of this reason is because of a key text in the New Testament and the ways that Catholics interpret this text. In this episode of Pints and Perspectives, Pastor Cullen and Clayton attempt to clear the air on some of these differences through the lens of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Happy Listening! Be sure to join the Facebook group on the WellHouse Church Facebook page for this podcast so that you can engage the community and continue the conversation with us and one another! Text “Pints” to (281) 204-2355 to connect with us If you would like to partner with us financially we would be honored and you can do so here: https://mywellhousechurch.churchcenter.com/giving Our Socials: WellHouse Church Website: mywellhouse.church Instagram: @mywellhouse.church Facebook: @mywellhouse.church Youtube: Wellhouse Church - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1LssDbm_kj5DfEqPI5NIBA/featured Pastor Cullen Instagram: @PastorCullen Facebook: @Pastor Cullen Youtube: @PastorCullen - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfUd_dvOxPurHMfaBUjF9jw Clayton Instagram: @jcware99 Facebook: Clayton Ware Our Identity: WellHouse Church is a church seeking to reimagine what the church is. Too many people have been hurt by a church in their past, because church has become something that it was never meant to be: an event or building that we attend. At WellHouse, we believe that the people of God are the church and that the love of God should be experienced through the people of God. So, WellHouse has returned to a New Testament expression of our faith by meeting in homes and dedicating ourselves to: the teaching of the scriptures, the fellowship of the believers, the breaking of bread together, and praying together for one another. We are focused on being a genuine expression of Christian hospitality and service to our community and the people of our community. At WellHouse we want to be a place where people can Be Real, Be Relational, and Be Restored. As our leadership was dreaming up this vision, we looked at Scripture and saw that the earliest expressions of the church met in homes and it was rare that all of the believers were together. Today, most churches have found themselves spending a large portion of their budget on buildings that they rarely use. Not WellHouse. We want to keep our overhead low so we can spend our money on the things that matter, being the hands and feet of Jesus. So, we meet in the homes of our members for the majority of our meetings. Once per month, we all come together at a rented facility to devote our selves together as the whole church for the purpose of worshipping God together.

In this episode, I respond to some Wesleyan individuals who have, in my opinion, naively claimed that apologetics has no place in Wesleyanism. I have a baker's dozen questions to ask individuals who hold this position. In the meantime, I show how, if you take John Wesley as your example or believe the Wesleyan quadrilateral, you should believe that apologetics is Wesleyan. Resources Consulted or Cited in this episode: 1.William Lane Craig, On Guard. 2. William Lane Craig, Reasonable Faith. 3. Josh McDowell, Evidence That Demands A Verdict. 4. Don Thorsen, The Wesleyan Quadrilateral. 5. The Works of John Wesley --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/nazarene-caffeine/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/nazarene-caffeine/support

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This week’s scripture from the NIV Luke 1:46-56 46 And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,48 for he has been mindfulof the humble state of his servant.From now on all generations will call me blessed,49 for the Mighty One has done …

This week’s scripture from the NIV Isaiah 61:8-11 8 “For I, the Lord, love justice;    I hate robbery and wrongdoing.In my faithfulness I will reward my people    and make an everlasting covenant with them.9 Their descendants will be known among the nations    and their offspring among the peoples.All who see them will acknowledge    that they are a people the Lord has …

What is an amanuensis? Can you explain the Wesleyan Quadrilateral? Do you know what the shortest verse in the Bible is? (Hint: It’s not actually ‘Jesus wept’ as many of us have believed for years!) Listen to Pastor Terry Kreutzkamp’s message (which includes an entertaining dramatised interview… Read more...

In our weekly study, we continue looking at the Eight Life Enriching Practices of United Methodists. The next few weeks we are going to look at some Methodist distinctive. Tonight we'll look look at the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. This is how we do our reflection. We start with Scripture and we add to it, Tradition, Reason, and Experience. What this mean and look like? Join us and learn more.

Nelson joins Nate and Sheldon to discuss Calvinism vs. Arminianism, the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, and how to find unity in the most divisive Christian debates. But before things get too serious, we have to settle whether Indiana Jones or Star Wars is superior, and stray into thorny issues surrounding professional sports. Show Notes: Image of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral: https://tinyurl.com/y58vdzhc    Contact: Email: thethingswesay@mail.com Facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast Instagram and Twitter: @TTWSpodcast

In the 3rd Episode, Dave and Andrew conclude their discussion about the Theory behind the Disciple Types. Show Notes: Wesleyan Pyramid: https://www.discipletypes.com/wesleyan-pyramid 4 Aspects: https://www.discipletypes.com/the-aspects Wesleyan Quadrilateral: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesleyan_Quadrilateral#:~:text=The%20Wesleyan%20Quadrilateral%2C%20or%20Methodist,Outler. Banners of Israel: http://www.biblefragrances.com/studies/fourbanners.html Ephphatha Pronunciation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7d1Q_9XEw

Many earnest churchgoers have found great encouragement from lots of Bible reading. But, as life goes on, many of them not only burn out on Bible reading, but become disturbed by parts of the Bible that didn't bother them before. Dave Schmelzer takes a contemplative, journeying look at the good and bad elements of reading the Bible and, finally, at a hopeful way forward.   Mentioned on this podcast:   The Seek Course   Wesley's Quadrilateral   Galatians 3:28; Mark 4:1-20; Psalm 1:1-3   A helpful rethinking of enjoying the Bible: What Do We Do With the Bible? by Richard Rohr

The Wesleyan Quadrilateral or the Methodist Quadrilateral as it is sometimes called, contains: Scripture, tradition, reason, and experience. And this theological doctrine is at the core of United Methodism. Although the “Wesleyan Quadrilateral” is not a term that was ever used by Wesley himself, it is clear that his theological method falls into this framework. The framework asserts that Scripture should always be seen as the primary and supreme source that is held above tradition, experience, and reason. These four sources help to enhance the theological understanding and doctrine of the United Methodist Church. So, join us Today on this episode of the Methodical Methodist Podcast as we will explore the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Be sure to subscribe, rate, and review! Listen to me here: https://anchor.fm/methodical-methodist --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/methodical-methodist/support

Here I take time to dive deeper into the Wesleyan Quadrilateral along with Kim Renkema! We talk about where it came from, definitions, and why it is an important tool for believers.

Synopsis: On this episode the guys discuss the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. The WQ is a process by which a person my run a question or decision through several filters. The guys talk about each element and then add one of their own - making this the Wesleyan Quadra-quint. Join the guys as they discuss Scripture, Reason, Experience and Tradition ... oh yea, and their addition: community. Facebook Group - meant for ongoing conversation for The Space Between community. Episode Music: Dreamwalking by | e s c p | https://escp-music.bandcamp.com Music promoted by https://www.free-stock-music.com Attribution 4.0 International (CC BY 4.0) https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ SYNERGY by tubebackr | https://soundcloud.com/tubebackr Music promoted by https://www.free-stock-music.com Attribution-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported (CC BY-ND 3.0) https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/3.0/

We now know that January 2020 was the hottest January since temperatures have been tracked. Let’s talk climate. What does the Bible say about our environment? How should we think biblically about the multiple human impacts on the created world? Besides a warming environment, insect populations and bird populations are in steep descent. This episode contains a biblical conversation with David Hollis, the Director of the Wesley Foundation at Belmont University in Nashville. David is the author of a book on the topic called "Three Trees: The Beginning, Middle and New Beginning of Creation's Story" (available on Amazon). David and I discussed the challenges facing our environment and the difficulties that often stem from misunderstandings of the Bible's creation story in Genesis 1. David and I followed a structure in our conversation called the "Wesleyan Quadrilateral" which defines a process of thinking through social/cultural/theological issues asking a series of questions. 1) What does the Bible say? 2) What is the tradition of the church? 3) What is my experience in this topic and 4) What would be in accord with human reason? These questions don't solve problems necessarily but it provides a helpful way to think through things. Here is the link to our discussion notes (which we did not exhaust in any way!).  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SnVOCKtXQ8QXokmgUxrF4NjYokOKDIyQ75bhXcQJ_ek/edit?usp=sharing

This is the second half of the conversation I had recently with Vicky Vetter and Karl Kroger. Vicky is the Director of Student Ministries at Legacy United Methodist Church in Bismarck ND. She's very involved in helping resettle and educate immigrants in the Bismarck area. Karl is the Senior Pastor of Grace United Methodist Church in Piedmont SD and has been passionate about immigration and refugees. In 2013, Karl, along with students from Bethlehem Bible College, helped minister to Syrian refugees in Jordan.  We're still following what we call the STER analysis: Scripture, Tradition, Experience and Reason. This is often called the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Its simply a way of working through theological/ethical issues asking the questions: 1) What does Scripture teach?, 2) What is the tradition of the church?, 3) What is my experience here and 4) what seems to be in accord with the common sense dictates of human reason. In this episode, Karl talks about his experiences with immigrants and refugees and helps us think through ways we might be able to either advocate for and being involved with these issues. If you haven't listened to the previous episode, you'll really need to back up and do that. This episode is completely dependent on that one. There we discussed Scripture, tradition and Vicky's experience with immigrants in the Bismarck area. In this episode, Karl will discuss his experience and lead us in a conversation about helpful ways forward.  Again, The Bible and Immigration Part Two: A Conversation with Vicky Vetter and Karl Kroger.

What attitude should we take toward people who have entered this nation illegally? Should mercy and benevolence triumph over justice and the law? What about those who immigrate here lawfully or those who seek asylum? Vicky, Karl and I waded into this vast and complex topic using the Wesleyan Quadrilateral as our guide. We also call this the "STER analysis" which follows these 4 questions. What does Scripture teach? (the S in STER). What about the traditions of our church (the T in STER). Here we consulted the social principles of the Methodist faith. If you are non-Methodist, I encourage you to check your own denominational statement. Thirdly, what experiences do I have that shape my understanding? (the E) and what seems to be in accordance with the dictates of human reason? (our R). Just so you know, we hear more from Vicky in this first section, and more from Karl in the second. The recording was divided into two episodes. The next will cover part two, as I said, with more Karl.

Turn with me to Acts 8:37. Oh, wait - Help! There are verses missing from my Bible! In a Christian subculture that tries to maintain that the Bible we have now is exactly the Bible that believers have always had, how do we deal with textual variations? Easy: we accept that we have the Bible God wants us to have, and we apply the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. The Quadrilateral is Scripture, Tradition, Reason, and Experience. Scripture is primary, but we cannot access scripture without the other three. United Methodists trust God and one another so that through tradition, reason, and experience, we can read the Bible faithfully and find there everything necessary for salvation.

Encounter-Wesleyan Quadrilateral | Reason- Rev. Dr. Jim Mannoia (1.19.20) by Sermons

In this episode, three brothers break down the four points of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral and discuss their importance in ordinary Church life. The post S4E3: Wesleyan Quadrilateral appeared first on Religion & Story.

Today on the podcast, we dive into one of Chip's heroes: John Wesley. His method to better understand and live out Scripture is often known as the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Ultimately, this method puts the influence of Scripture in its proper place...above things like tradition, reason, and experience. But it's tradition, reason, and experience that help us understand and live our Scripture to the fullest.

Jonathan Storment joins the show to answer some mailbag questions including Sola Scriptura, Calvinism, Wesleyan Quadrilateral, and Jonathan's favorite movie Fifty Shades of Grey.  

Historian Dr. Leah Payne introduces the class to the "Wesleyan Quadrilateral," and ends with a story about belief and unbelief.

Today we’re talking about Bible translations. What if I told you that there is a person standing between you and the pure, unadulterated Word of God. No, it’s not Satan. It’s the translator. And also maybe the committee that commissioned the translator. If that sounds weird to you, don’t worry it sounded weird to me too. I mean, a translator just looks at an old manuscript and copies into another language the words that are there, right? Maybe. But what if there is no English equivalent for that word, or what if punctuation is missing!? What then? And it begs the bigger question of how do we decide which translations are most trustworthy and which ones are just rubbish! We’ll get into all that on today's episode. Articles:https://www.seminary.edu/bible-politics-and-theological-bias/https://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2014/10/01/the-politics-of-bible-translations/Wesleyan Quadrilateral:http://www.umc.org/what-we-believe/wesleyan-quadrilateralBen Stuart’s Sermon:https://faithbridge.org/sermon/is-the-bible-corrupted/

Episode 1 The Wesleyan Quadrilateral Ambition / Sabbath Sin / Grace Cohabitation / Intimacy

In this episode we will continue to discuss the crisis of biblical authority in the broader methodist movement. This time we will actually talk about the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. We will begin by defining the Quadrilateral and then discuss what is good about it and what is dangerous about it. One very interesting thing to note is how Albert Outler regretted coining the term in the first place. We will discuss how the Quadrilateral can both lead people into error and heresy if it is understood incorrectly and how it could protect us from error and heresy if it is understood correctly. We will then discuss what early Methodist views were regarding the authority, inerrancy, and inspiration of Scripture. We will conclude this episode discussing what the International Fellowship of Bible Churches (IFBC) statement of faith is regarding the authority and inerrancy of Scripture. For more information about the IFBC see the link below.  Links: The Wesleyan Quadrilateral (Theopedia) The International Fellowship of Bible Churches (IFBC) Note that Ben and Vin are ordained Elders in the IFBC and serve as pastors in an IFBC Church Plant in Connecticut. 

The Wesleyan Quadrilateral

In this episode we will begin to discuss the crisis of biblical authority in the broader methodist movement. We will begin by talking about the United Methodist Church Special Session of the General Conference 2019 and the decision regarding LGBT marriage and ordination. We will then move on to discuss what led to all of this. We would suggest it all comes down to a crisis regarding the question of biblical authority. We will then discuss what issues there are in the broader methodist movement regarding biblical authority. Is Scripture only a means of grace or is it the authoritative word of God as well? Do we have to choose between the two? At the end of the episode we will finally get to the Wesleyan Quadrilateral which we will discuss more extensively in the next episode in this series.  Links: New Global, Orthodox Identity for United Methodist Surprises Many (TGC) United Methodist Reject Call to Embrace Homosexual Clergy and Same-Sex Weddings (TGC) A Few Reflection on the 2019 General Conference (Watson)

Duane Jennings is the author of the two-volume series "Stumbling Blocks and Stepping-Stones." In this conversation, we consider (notwithstanding current LDS policy) an LDS queer theology through the Wesleyan Quadrilateral of scripture, reason, tradition, and experience.  

Why have so many Christians become tippers instead of tithers? In many Christian circles today, stewardship seems to be a dirty word. This is scandalous. Christians desperately need to shift their perspectives on stewardship and begin to unabashedly and joyously give of their time, talents, and treasure as a form of discipleship. On this edition of Hank Unplugged, Larry Johnston joins Hank to discuss the impact listeners like you can make by supporting the many outreaches of the Christian Research Institute impacting the body of Christ 24/7 around the world. Topics discussed include: how the Christian Research Institute is making a difference in our post-truth culture (3:00); examining one of the core values of CRI, “In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity,” and the dangers of tribalism within Christianity that divides us and dilutes the gospel (5:00); Gandhi as an example of how one person can make a huge difference (14:00); Hank asks listeners to financially support the many outreaches of CRI that are making a difference in the battle for life and truth (17:15); the rising assaults on the Christian faith and freedom (21:15); what a CRI legacy partner is and how to become one (23:20); the need for Christians to shift our paradigms on the stewardship of our time, talent, and treasure as a form of discipleship (26:40); recounting testimonies of the importance of the outreaches of CRI from significant apologists such as Abdu Murray and Lee Strobel (32:35); showing the symbiotic relationship between CRI and our audience through the proverb “You can always count the seeds in an apple, but you can never count the apples in a seed” (34:50); the benefits of becoming a CRI support team member and why they are the backbone of the ministry (36:40); understanding the importance of giving and the need for Christians to shift their paradigms when it comes to the stewardship of their resources (44:15); the prayer of David and joyous giving (48:40); the impact of CRI outreaches around the world (50:50); will Christianity disappear in the West? (54:35); one of the critical roles of CRI is providing a lighthouse of truth for people facing a rapidly changing reality (57:05); the need for properly modeled Christianity in action (1:01:25); the mentorship role of CRI (1:04:30); the Judeo-Christian ethic of philanthropy throughout history (1:08:10); the need for “apologetics arms dealers” such as CRI in the battle for life and truth today (1:12:00); the major impact that encouraging testimonies have on Hank and the rest of the CRI staff (1:14:10); fatal consequences of tribalism in Christianity and the need for Christians to unite around the essentials of the historic Christian faith (1:16:10); the need for epistemic humility and the importance of being a lifelong learner in our post-truth culture (1:19:05); the Wesleyan Quadrilateral and the autobiographical book Hank is writing entitled Truth Matters, Life Matters More (1:23:05).

In this solo-isode, Thane shares his thoughts on the topic of knowledge and the ways we acquire it.   Through several messages he recently heard, and learning more about the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, Thane reveals his heart in striving to not see faith and knowledge as mutually exclusive, but rather mutually required.   For the full show notes, visit: theupandcomersshow.com/episodes/knowledge     Time-Markers:   1:00 - Housekeeping   3:15 - Disclaimers   5:00 - Discussion on Knowledge

This week we continue with our series Equation where we've been learning about the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, a helpful framework for making wise decisions. This week Pastor Kaitlyn digs into the fourth component: experience. How can we learn through our meaningful experiences with the Holy Spirit as we follow Christ forward?

Brandi looks into the most important leg of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, scripture, and outs herself as part of the “Harry Potter Generation.” Scripture: Luke 20: 27-38

Andy explores the most important part of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, scripture, by telling the story of the Sadducees and their attempts to trap Jesus with a riddle. And, of course, a story about the Astros finding their way to the World Stories. Scripture: Luke 20: 27-38

Ann talks about the story of "Dear Abby," then launches into a "Dear Ann" segment to explain the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Scripture: 2 Timothy 3:10-17

How judgemental are you? One of life’s big dilemmas is we’re hard-wired to make judgement calls. First impressions count - we make instant judgements based on a first glance, what people say, or what they believe. The trouble comes when we begin obsessing over long-held beliefs, refusing to concede there’s another valid perspective or opinion. Ironically, our freedom to hold opinions can become a mental prison that locks us up in unforgiveness and negative emotions that have lasting consequences. Mark and Andy wrestle with their emotions, judgements, and even get a bit clever. Andy’s dissection of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral offers hope. How do your judgements line up with experience, scripture, tradition, and reason? Are you ready to challenge your thinking?

Joe talks about the specific will of God and the Wesleyan Quadrilateral.

Joe talks about the specific will of God and the Wesleyan Quadrilateral.

We look at the four sources of how humans frame theology (according to the Wesleyan Quadrilateral – don’t worry, we explain that). Tim also takes an in-depth look at each of the six scriptures that appear to mention and speak against homosexuality. Give us your thoughts on this one! Leave a comment… Links from the […] The post Episode 7 – The Six Scriptures “About” Homosexuality appeared first on At The End Of The Day [Film].

Establishing a Biblical foundation for determining right from wrong.

Luke 2:41-52Assumptions made in Synoptic StudiesTheological Orthodoxy and Authority:The Wesleyan QuadrilateralJesus in the Temple; Christological issues.Matthew 1:2-17 & Luke 3:23-38The Matthew's genealogy vs. Luke's: sources, origins, interpretations