Cult or Just Weird

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- The future is there… looking back at us. Trying to make sense of the fiction we will have become. -William Gibson   Chris & Kayla finally land the plane on this whole TESCREAL situation. --- *Search Categories* anthropological; internet culture; science/pseudoscience --- *Topic Spoiler* TESCREAL "is it a cult or just weird?" evaluation & discussion --- Further Reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TESCREAL#:~:text=TESCREAL%20is%20an%20acronym%20neologism,effective%20altruism%2C%20and%20longtermism%22. https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/13636 --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock, Jim Fingal Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- POV: the Serenity Prayer, but with shoulds instead of cans.   Chris & Kayla attempt to tie the knot between Transhumanism and Eugenics. --- *Search Categories* Science / Pseudoscience; Anthropological; Destructive   --- *Topic Spoiler* Eugenics   --- Further Reading https://www.britannica.com/science/eugenics-genetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_eugenics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_eugenics https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?params=/context/bio_facpubs/article/1001/&path_info=Eugenics__Annals_of_Eugenics_.pdf The Deceptive Simplicity of Mendelian Genetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton https://galton.org/essays/1900-1911/galton-1904-am-journ-soc-eugenics-scope-aims.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Pearson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Davenport The American Eugenics Records Office https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg https://www.plannedparenthood.org/uploads/filer_public/cc/2e/cc2e84f2-126f-41a5-a24b-43e093c47b2c/210414-sanger-opposition-claims-p01.pdf https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2020/10/14/why-buck-v-bell-still-matters/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Darrow The Eugenics Cult, by Clarence Darrow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed_evolution_(transhumanism) https://www.seenandunseen.com/transhumanism-eugenics-digital-age https://slate.com/technology/2022/03/silicon-valley-transhumanism-eugenics-information.html https://biopoliticalphilosophy.com/2023/01/19/transhumanism-is-eugenics-for-educated-white-liberals/ Making Us New: From Eugenics to Transhumanism in Modernist Culture https://www.vice.com/en/article/prominent-ai-philosopher-and-father-of-longtermism-sent-very-racist-email-to-a-90s-philosophy-listserv/ https://www.truthdig.com/articles/longtermism-and-eugenics-a-primer/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_eugenics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNESCO https://slate.com/technology/2022/03/silicon-valley-transhumanism-eugenics-information.html https://www.seenandunseen.com/transhumanism-eugenics-digital-age https://www.vice.com/en/article/prominent-ai-philosopher-and-father-of-longtermism-sent-very-racist-email-to-a-90s-philosophy-listserv/ https://biopoliticalphilosophy.com/2023/01/19/transhumanism-is-eugenics-for-educated-white-liberals/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_model_of_disability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Cyborg_Manifesto https://journals.scholarsportal.info/details/23803312/v05i0001/1_ctm.xml https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/04/the-case-against-perfection/302927/   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock, Jim Fingal Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- No idiot knows that he is an idiot. As a rule, those of small intellectual equipment are so sure of themselves that they are eager to make the race over in their own image. -Clarence Darrow   Chris & Kayla enjoy dunking on one of history's worst ideas. --- *Search Categories* Science / Pseudoscience; Anthropological; Destructive   --- *Topic Spoiler* Eugenics   --- Further Reading https://www.britannica.com/science/eugenics-genetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_eugenics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_eugenics https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?params=/context/bio_facpubs/article/1001/&path_info=Eugenics__Annals_of_Eugenics_.pdf The Deceptive Simplicity of Mendelian Genetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton https://galton.org/essays/1900-1911/galton-1904-am-journ-soc-eugenics-scope-aims.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Pearson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Davenport The American Eugenics Records Office https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg https://www.plannedparenthood.org/uploads/filer_public/cc/2e/cc2e84f2-126f-41a5-a24b-43e093c47b2c/210414-sanger-opposition-claims-p01.pdf https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2020/10/14/why-buck-v-bell-still-matters/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Darrow The Eugenics Cult, by Clarence Darrow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed_evolution_(transhumanism) https://www.seenandunseen.com/transhumanism-eugenics-digital-age https://slate.com/technology/2022/03/silicon-valley-transhumanism-eugenics-information.html https://biopoliticalphilosophy.com/2023/01/19/transhumanism-is-eugenics-for-educated-white-liberals/ Making Us New: From Eugenics to Transhumanism in Modernist Culture https://www.vice.com/en/article/prominent-ai-philosopher-and-father-of-longtermism-sent-very-racist-email-to-a-90s-philosophy-listserv/ https://www.truthdig.com/articles/longtermism-and-eugenics-a-primer/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/04/the-case-against-perfection/302927/   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock, Jim Fingal Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- I have often wondered whether a person is justified in neglecting his own family to fight for opportunities for others.  -Nelson Mandela   Last week was context... this week we get juicy. --- *Search Categories* Business; Society & Culture; Common Interest/Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Effective Altruism & Longtermism   --- Further Reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_altruism# https://www.centreforeffectivealtruism.org/ceas-guiding-principles https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/in-continued-defense-of-effective https://nypost.com/2022/11/21/polyamory-pills-inside-sam-bankman-frieds-ftx-party-pad/ https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/10/bankman-frieds-cabal-of-roommates-in-the-bahamas-ran-his-crypto-empire-and-dated-other-employees-have-lots-of-questions/ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/19/polyamory-penthouses-and-plenty-of-loans-inside-the-crazy-world-of-ftx https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-03-07/effective-altruism-s-problems-go-beyond-sam-bankman-fried https://time.com/6252617/effective-altruism-sexual-harassment/ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/aug/03/open-ai-sam-altman-chatgpt-gary-marcus-taming-silicon-valley https://www.thephilosopher1923.org/post/a-mirror-for-tech-bros https://time.com/6262810/sam-bankman-fried-effective-altruism-alameda-ftx/ --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock, Jim Fingal Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson   We tackle the final three letters of the TESCREAL acronym, and fight about the future. --- *Search Categories* Business; Society & Culture; Common Interest/Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Effective Altruism & Longtermism   --- Further Reading https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20231009-ftxs-sam-bankman-fried-believed-in-effective-altruism-what-is-it https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/17/effective-altruism-sam-bankman-fried-ftx-crypto/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_altruism# https://www.centreforeffectivealtruism.org/ceas-guiding-principles https://commons.pacificu.edu/work/sc/a3bc869a-d6aa-4bb4-837b-3dcf6847199e https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23298870/effective-altruism-longtermism-will-macaskill-future https://theconversation.com/longtermism-why-the-million-year-philosophy-cant-be-ignored-193538 https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220805-what-is-longtermism-and-why-does-it-matter https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2021/11/3/22760718/patient-philanthropy-fund-charity-longtermism Adams, Carol J.; Crary, Alice; Gruen, Lori, eds. (2023). The Good it Promises, The Harm it Does: Critical Essays on Effective Altruism. Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press. --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock, Jim Fingal Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- We're not earthly beings any more... we're cosmic beings. - Eden Ahbez   Two episodes in one to grapple with the origins of a cosmic concept, and its future among the stars. --- *Search Categories* Science / Pseudoscience   --- *Topic Spoiler* Russian Cosmism and modern Cosmism   --- Further Reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cosmism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Fyodorov_(philosopher) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Goertzel https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/13636/11606 --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock, Jim Fingal Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD, Elloe

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- Time isn't the only thing the FDA is killing. - ACT UP slogan   Chris & Kayla grapple with the intense nuance presented by the Church of Perpetual Life and the Life Extension Foundation. --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Bill Faloon, The Church of Perpetual Life, and the FDA   --- Further Reading https://www.churchofperpetuallife.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@COPL18/featured https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Faloon https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/1999/1/fda-standing-in-the-way-of-progress https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/theyre-gonna-live-forever-6363863 https://www.actuporalhistory.org/actions/seize-control-of-the-fda https://www.archivebuttons.com/articles?article=https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/12/before-occupy-how-aids-activists-seized-control-of-the-fda-in-1988/249302/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACT_UP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_freedom_movement --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock, Jim Fingal Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD, Elloe

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- How could I enjoy a yacht if I know we're all going to die and disappear? - Bill Faloon   Chris & Kayla head back to Church to learn more about the man behind the curtain. --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Bill Faloon & The Church of Perpetual Life   --- Further Reading https://www.churchofperpetuallife.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@COPL18/featured https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Faloon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_Research_%26_Longevity_Society https://www.orlandosentinel.com/1993/01/31/the-big-chill-7/ https://www.yahoo.com/news/society-gala-used-sell-young-093510021.html https://www.vice.com/en/article/9a3kwe/the-church-of-perpetual-life https://www.popsci.com/forever-man-immortality-science/ https://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/bill-faloon-and-saul-kent-major-figures-in-cryonics-movement-start-a-church-in-hollywood-6969096 https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/south-florida-church-pursues-eternal-life-through-cryonics-inflaming-critics-and-the-irs-7608632 Bill Faloon: A Life Long Quest To Reverse Human Aging! --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock, Jim Fingal Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD, Elloe

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- Aging and Death can be Optional...We Choose Life & Health.   Chris & Kayla head to church to learn how the Creator wants us to live forever. --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* The Church of Perpetual Life   --- Further Reading https://www.churchofperpetuallife.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@COPL18/featured https://cryonics.miraheze.org/wiki/Church_of_Perpetual_Life https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/south-florida-church-pursues-eternal-life-through-cryonics-inflaming-critics-and-the-irs-7608632 https://transcend.me/blogs/supplementation/what-supplements-does-ray-kurzweil-take-and-why https://www.wired.com/story/bioviva-gene-therapies-liz-parrish-longevity/ --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock, Jim Fingal Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD, Elloe

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Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- Making predictions is tough, especially about the future. -Niels Bohr   Chris & Kayla put the L in TESCREAL. --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom; Internet Culture   --- *Topic Spoiler* TESCREAL & interview with Dr. Émile P. Torres   --- Further Reading Dr. Émile P. Torres's Website Dr. Émile P. Torres Wikipedia Dr. Émile P. Torres Twitter Dr Torres & Dr Gebru's joint paper on TESCREAL   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock, Jim Fingal Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- AI will probably most likely lead to the end of the world, but in the meantime, there'll be great companies. - Sam Altman   Chris & Kayla talk about the future of humanity, in the long term. --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom; Internet Culture   --- *Topic Spoiler* TESCREAL & interview with Dr. Émile P. Torres   --- Further Reading Dr. Émile P. Torres's Website Dr. Émile P. Torres Wikipedia Dr. Émile P. Torres Twitter   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock, Jim Fingal Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- This podcast is Bayesd.   Chris & Kayla update all of their priors about LessWrong and decide if it's a cult, or just weird.   --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom; Internet Culture   --- *Topic Spoiler* LessWrong   --- *Further Reading* https://www.lesswrong.com/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LessWrong/ https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LessWrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LessWrong The Sequences just some Harry Potter fanfic https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/DyG8tzmj3NnGRE8Gt/explaining-the-rationalist-movement-to-the-uninitiated https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/LgavAYtzFQZKg95WC/extreme-rationality-it-s-not-that-great (the community is remarkably self-aware) Yudkowsky on cults! Yudkowsky on cults again! the podcast eats its tail (CoJW's previous LessWrong episode) https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8060440 https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/19cmro3/should_i_read_lesswrong_wiki_or_not/ https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/2ddfs6/comment/cjp22pf/ Slate Star Codex (LessWrong2.0) somethingawful has a bitch-thread about LessWrong https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/ (LessWrong hater's group) https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bayesian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_Decision_Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomb%27s_paradox Time platforms Yudkowsky's doomerism Receipts for how bad Yudkowsky's predictions have been   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- The Territory is not The Map.   Chris & Kayla fall out of a coconut tree and continue their discussion of LessWrong.   --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom; Internet Culture   --- *Topic Spoiler* LessWrong   --- *Further Reading* https://www.lesswrong.com/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LessWrong/ https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LessWrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LessWrong The Sequences just some Harry Potter fanfic https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/DyG8tzmj3NnGRE8Gt/explaining-the-rationalist-movement-to-the-uninitiated https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/LgavAYtzFQZKg95WC/extreme-rationality-it-s-not-that-great (the community is remarkably self-aware) Yudkowsky on cults! Yudkowsky on cults again! the podcast eats its tail (CoJW's previous LessWrong episode) https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8060440 https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/19cmro3/should_i_read_lesswrong_wiki_or_not/ https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/2ddfs6/comment/cjp22pf/ Slate Star Codex (LessWrong2.0) somethingawful has a bitch-thread about LessWrong https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/ (LessWrong hater's group) https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bayesian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_Decision_Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomb%27s_paradox Time platforms Yudkowsky's doomerism Receipts for how bad Yudkowsky's predictions have been   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- Have not you read The Sequences?   Chris & Kayla do their first ever CoJW topic revisit and discuss an online community dedicated to Rationalism.   --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom; Internet Culture   --- *Topic Spoiler* LessWrong   --- *Further Reading* https://www.lesswrong.com/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LessWrong/ https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LessWrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LessWrong The Sequences just some Harry Potter fanfic https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/DyG8tzmj3NnGRE8Gt/explaining-the-rationalist-movement-to-the-uninitiated https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/LgavAYtzFQZKg95WC/extreme-rationality-it-s-not-that-great (the community is remarkably self-aware) Yudkowsky on cults! Yudkowsky on cults again! the podcast eats its tail (CoJW's previous LessWrong episode) https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8060440 https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/19cmro3/should_i_read_lesswrong_wiki_or_not/ https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/2ddfs6/comment/cjp22pf/ Slate Star Codex (LessWrong2.0) somethingawful has a bitch-thread about LessWrong https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/ (LessWrong hater's group) https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bayesian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_Decision_Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomb%27s_paradox Time platforms Yudkowsky's doomerism Receipts for how bad Yudkowsky's predictions have been         --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- What would you say you... do... here?   Chris dunks on a doofy website for 40 minutes straight; it is also possible we learn some things about Transhumanism along the way.   --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom; New Religious Movement   --- *Topic Spoiler* Humanity+   --- *Further Reading*   https://www.britannica.com/topic/transhumanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanity%2B H+'s website: https://www.humanityplus.org/ H+'s weird, tiny, self published "news articles" (also an example of their liberal/left leaning): https://www.humanityplus.org/news/transhumanists-condemn-police-brutality other sites in the H+ "webring": https://willeadership.io/ https://healthspanaction.org/healthspan-action-coalition/ H+ hosted zoom roundtable on Transhumanism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdjMoykqxys H+'s weird mission statement: https://www.humanityplus.org/about Max More's blog post on the definition of Transhumanism: https://www.humanityplus.org/philsophy-of-transhumanism Two articles from early 2000s on the left/right schism in Transhumanism: https://web.archive.org/web/20060313212747/http://www.twliterary.com/jhughes_utne.html https://web.archive.org/web/20061231222833/http://www.slate.com/id/2142987/fr/rss/ Notable Transhumanists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hughes_(sociologist) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_More Extropianism? What's that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extropianism https://www.oed.com/dictionary/extropianism_n?tl=true   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny  

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- To be what you want to be: isn't this the essence of being human? - David Zindell   Chris and Kayla take the next steps on the path of the unfolding season...and the unfolding of humanity's future.   --- *Search Categories* Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Transhumanism   --- Further Reading https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/social-sciences/transhumanism#:~:text=Transhumanism%20is%20the%20position%20that,capacities%20beyond%20current%20biological%20constraints. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism https://www.humanityplus.org/transhumanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_More https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM-2030 https://organicmachinecmp.home.blog/2019/04/10/transhumanism/ https://nickbostrom.com/papers/history.pdf https://www.amazon.com/Singularity-Near-Humans-Transcend-Biology/dp/0670033847   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- Man cannot endure his own littleness unless he can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level. - Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death   Chris and Kayla talk about a theory that underpins everything we'll cover this season.   --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience   --- *Topic Spoiler* Terror Management Theory   --- *Further Reading* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory#cite_note-GPS-1 https://www.ernestbecker.org/book-film-reviews/worm-at-the-core?rq=terror%20management%20theory https://scholar.utc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1340&context=mps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Becker   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny  

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- The act of freezing a dead body and storing it indefinitely on the chance that some future generation may restore it to life is an act of faith, not science. - The Society for Cryobiology, official statement   The chilling conclusion to CoJW's series on cryonics... but is it a cult, or just weird?   --- *Search Categories* Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Cryonics   --- Further Reading https://www.alcor.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics https://www.reddit.com/r/cryonics/ Michio Kaku cryonics video Alcor rebuttal to Michio Kaku How To with John Wilson episode   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- Being cryopreserved after death is the second-worst thing that could happen. The worst thing is dying without being cryopreserved. - Ben Best    Kayla dives deeper into the world of cryonics by talking to an actual cryonaut.   --- *Search Categories* Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Cryonics   --- Further Reading The Cryosphere discord https://www.reddit.com/r/cryonics/ https://www.alcor.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics How To with John Wilson episode   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- You're not dead til you're warm and dead.   Chris & Kayla finish their cryonics facility visit with the help of a VIP "tour guide."   --- *Search Categories* Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Cryonics   --- Further Reading https://www.alcor.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics https://www.reddit.com/r/cryonics/ Michio Kaku cryonics video Alcor rebuttal to Michio Kaku How To with John Wilson episode   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- I am the mediocre architect of my afterlife. - Glen Nesbitt   Chris & Kayla take a tour of the very cool place they were headed to last episode.   --- *Search Categories* Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Cryonics   --- Further Reading https://www.alcor.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics https://www.reddit.com/r/cryonics/ Michio Kaku cryonics video Alcor rebuttal to Michio Kaku How To with John Wilson episode   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- If a man die, shall he live again? - Book of Job 14:14   Chris and Kayla hotfoot it to a cold storage facility.   --- *Search Categories* Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Cryonics   --- Further Reading https://www.alcor.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics https://www.reddit.com/r/cryonics/ Michio Kaku cryonics video Alcor rebuttal to Michio Kaku How To with John Wilson episode   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- Chris & Kayla recap the experience of experiencing things for Season 5 of Cult or Just Weird.   (previously published on CoJW's patreon: https://www.patreon.com/posts/season-5-bonus-95443966)   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- There is but one freedom, to put oneself right with death. After that everything is possible. -Albert Camus   Chris and Kayla contemplate that one thing that joins us all.   --- *Search Categories* Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Death Cafes   --- *Further Reading*   https://deathcafe.com/ https://www.talkdeath.com/what-is-death-cafe-my-experience-studying-participating-hosting-death-cafes/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Cafe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Crettaz https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/-sociologist-of-death--bernard-crettaz-dies/48095070 https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/essays/47104/take-me-to-the-death-cafe https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/22/death-cafe-talk-about-dying https://seniorsathome.jfcs.org/what-is-a-death-cafe/ https://www.npr.org/2013/03/08/173808940/death-cafes-breathe-life-into-conversations-about-dying   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- Thinking – the talking of the soul with itself. -Plato   Chris and Kayla attend class at another small local group... whose presence & influence is worldwide & ubiquitous.   --- *Search Categories* New Religious Movement; New Age​   --- *Topic Spoiler* Theosophy   --- *Further Reading*   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy https://www.britannica.com/topic/theosophy   https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theosophy https://theosophyult.com/what-is-theosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Lodge_of_Theosophists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky https://www.britannica.com/topic/New-Age-movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_realism yikes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_race https://www.rt.com/news/brain-neuroscience-visual-information-709/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_monkey_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah https://www.bl.uk/hebrew-manuscripts/articles/the-power-of-language-in-jewish-kabbalah https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kabbala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation     --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Benevolent Loki, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- "It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible." -David Brin     Chris and Kayla explore the nature of power and learn some shocking stories about the group du jour in this part two.   --- *Search Categories* New Religious Movement; Anthropological   --- *Topic Spoiler* The Hare Krishnas / ISKCON   --- *Further Reading* https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B07B4TLHNG/allbooks http://www.henrydoktorski.com/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1990/05/26/hare-krishna-leader-tied-to-murder-plot/5308aa16-44f7-459d-b62e-4c3acc4e1a4f/ https://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/29/us/ex-hare-krishna-leader-gets-20-year-sentence.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-10-28-me-4819-story.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Vrindaban https://gbc.iskcon.org/ ​​http://www.henrydoktorski.com/Killing4Krishna/2018_Memorial_Service.html https://thecinemaholic.com/charles-st-denis-and-stephen-bryant-murders-is-kirtanananda-swami-dead-or-alive/ https://www.nytimes.com/1977/11/02/archives/california-slaying-case-involves-exmafia-figures-and-krishnas.html https://culteducation.com/group/1016-iskcon/12236-can-cultic-groups-change-.html https://culteducation.com/group/1016-iskcon/12198-where-have-all-the-krishnas-gone.html https://www.nytimes.com/1977/11/16/archives/swami-prabhupada-hare-krishna-head-founder-of-movement-81-came-to.html https://ffl.org/ https://iscowp.org/   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Benevolent Loki, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   --- "Repetition not for monotony but the ecstasy it induces." - Martha Graham     Chris and Kayla go to a restaurant. Kind of. Don't worry, we'll repeat ourselves.   --- *Search Categories* New Religious Movement; Anthropological   --- *Topic Spoiler* The Hare Krishnas / ISKCON   --- *Further Reading* https://iskconla.com/Home.aspx https://www.iskcon.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Society_for_Krishna_Consciousness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._C._Bhaktivedanta_Swami_Prabhupada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Sweet_Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04v-SdKeEpE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVMgEupff-E  https://culteducation.com/group/1016-iskcon/12236-can-cultic-groups-change-.html https://culteducation.com/group/1016-iskcon/12247-can-it-be-that-the-hare-krishnas-are-not-hindu-.html https://culteducation.com/group/1016-iskcon/12198-where-have-all-the-krishnas-gone.html https://culteducation.com/group/1016-iskcon/12228-group-battles-airport-limits-on-solicitors-.htm https://culteducation.com/group/1016-iskcon/12230-hare-krishna-solicitors-are-again-being-restricted-at-los-angeles-international-airport.html https://culteducation.com/group/1016-iskcon/12239-at-uf-theres-no-free-lunch.html https://culteducation.com/group/1016-iskcon/12245-can-hare-krishna-chant-cure-depression.html https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Hare_Krishna   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Ragnheiður Eiríksdóttir, Benevolent Loki, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige

Wanna chat about the episode? Or just hang out? Come join us on discord!   ---   It's hard to detect good luck--it looks so much like something you've earned. - Frank A. Clark   Chris and Kayla visit a liquor store to try and resurrect the American dream.   --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Destructive   --- *Topic Spoiler* The American State-run Lottery System   --- *Further Reading* https://www.amazon.com/Dollar-Dream-Lotteries-Modern-America/dp/0197604889 https://www.jonathandcohen.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotteries_in_the_United_States https://www.calottery.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology https://www.praywithme.com/prayer-to-win-lottery.html https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/15/california-powerball-winner-named https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy https://www.vox.com/conversations/2016/11/22/13652860/income-inequality-meritocracy-robert-frank-success-luck-ethics   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Niklas Brock Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Ragnheiður Eiríksdóttir, Benevolent Loki, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter

FVNEM? FVNEX?   Kayla and Chris get up at the crack of dawn to try and solve a cryptogram from 1925.   --- *Search Categories* Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* The Los Angeles Breakfast Club   --- *Further Reading* https://twitter.com/labreakfastclub https://www.labreakfastclub.com/ https://www.latimes.com/california/breakfast-club-los-angeles-latt-123 https://www.labreakfastclub.com/podcast https://www.facebook.com/LABreakfastClub/ https://www.latimes.com/food/story/2022-11-03/los-angeles-breakfast-club-home https://www.kcet.org/food-living/the-strangest-club-in-los-angeles-the-l-a-breakfast-club https://friendsofgriffithpark.org/the-los-angeles-breakfast-club/ https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/los-angeles-breakfast-club https://www.altaonline.com/dispatches/a7175/los-angeles-breakfast-club/ https://ladailymirror.com/2015/06/01/mary-mallory-hollywood-heights-los-angeles-breakfast-club-dines-on-history/   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Hanna Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Ragnheiður Eiríksdóttir, Benevolent Loki, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton

Freedom would be not to choose between black and white but to abjure such prescribed choices. - Theodor Adorno   Chris tries to land this Ayn Rand plane in an objectively satisfying manner.   --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Objectivism & Ayn Rand   --- *Further Reading* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand_Institute https://ari.aynrand.org/ https://courses.aynrand.org/campus-courses/ https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ayn-Rand https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ayn-Rand/The-Collective-and-the-Nathaniel-Branden-Institute https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ayn-rand/ http://aynrandlexicon.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Objectivism https://www.atlassociety.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlas_Society  https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2020-04-18/ty-article-magazine/.premium/i-visited-the-secret-lair-of-the-ayn-rand-cult/0000017f-ef06-ddba-a37f-ef6e2c740000 https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/the-unlikeliest-cult-in-history/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/3kyxvv/nxivm-jordan-peterson-and-the-reincarnation-of-ayn-rands-cult https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ayn_Rand_Cult https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/ayn-rand-on-human-nature/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Branden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaron_Brook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Peikoff https://www.conservapedia.com/Objectivism http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/romancing-the-stone-cold.html https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595267335/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ominous_Parallels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law https://www.atlassociety.org/post/frank-lloyd-wright-and-ayn-rand     --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Hanna Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Ragnheiður Eiríksdóttir, Benevolent Loki, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Anjuli, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton

Who is Ayn Rand?   Chris and Kayla try to answer this ocean of a question, exploring the many rivers and tributaries that feed it.   --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Objectivism & Ayn Rand   --- *Further Reading* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand_Institute https://ari.aynrand.org/ https://courses.aynrand.org/campus-courses/ https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ayn-Rand https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ayn-Rand/The-Collective-and-the-Nathaniel-Branden-Institute https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ayn-rand/ http://aynrandlexicon.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Objectivism https://www.atlassociety.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlas_Society  https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2020-04-18/ty-article-magazine/.premium/i-visited-the-secret-lair-of-the-ayn-rand-cult/0000017f-ef06-ddba-a37f-ef6e2c740000 https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/the-unlikeliest-cult-in-history/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/3kyxvv/nxivm-jordan-peterson-and-the-reincarnation-of-ayn-rands-cult https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ayn_Rand_Cult https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/ayn-rand-on-human-nature/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Branden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaron_Brook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Peikoff https://www.conservapedia.com/Objectivism http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/romancing-the-stone-cold.html https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595267335/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ominous_Parallels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law https://www.atlassociety.org/post/frank-lloyd-wright-and-ayn-rand       --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex, Hanna Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Ragnheiður Eiríksdóttir, Benevolent Loki, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Anjuli, pernille aspestrand, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton

I am evolving and it's so damn beautiful. -Anonymous   Chris ponders the philosophical orb with Kayla, and finally comes out as a cultist himself. Objectively speaking.   --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Objectivism & Ayn Rand   --- *Further Reading* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand_Institute https://ari.aynrand.org/ https://courses.aynrand.org/campus-courses/ http://aynrandlexicon.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Objectivism https://www.atlassociety.org/ https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2020-04-18/ty-article-magazine/.premium/i-visited-the-secret-lair-of-the-ayn-rand-cult/0000017f-ef06-ddba-a37f-ef6e2c740000 https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/the-unlikeliest-cult-in-history/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/3kyxvv/nxivm-jordan-peterson-and-the-reincarnation-of-ayn-rands-cult https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ayn_Rand_Cult https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/ayn-rand-on-human-nature/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Branden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaron_Brook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Peikoff https://www.conservapedia.com/Objectivism http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/romancing-the-stone-cold.html https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595267335/     --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Liz T, Dom, Ragnheiður Eiríksdóttir, Benevolent Loki, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Anjuli, pernille aspestrand

The body says what words cannot. --Martha Graham   Kayla and Chris explore the roots of human bonding...set to music.   --- *Search Categories* Anthropological; New Religious Movement; Common interest / Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Ecstatic Dance   --- *Further Reading* Professor Chill Spotify Electric Sufi Spotify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecstatic_dance https://archive.org/details/exploringreligio0000unse_q7d1/page/168/mode/2up?view=theater https://pure.hud.ac.uk/en/persons/professor-chill https://www.ecstaticdancela.com/ --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Liz T, Dom, Ragnheiður Eiríksdóttir, Benevolent Loki, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Anjuli, pernille aspestrand

Experience is the teacher of all things. - Julius Caesar   Kayla and Chris kick off Season 5 by going to a cult within a cult... culturducken.   --- *Search Categories* New Age; New Religious Movement   --- *Topic Spoiler* The Source Family   --- *Further Reading* http://martinostimemachine.blogspot.com/2021/06/the-source-restaurant.html   https://la.eater.com/2013/5/13/6435783/the-source-las-first-spiritual-vegetarian-restaurant   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Yod#:~:text=Father%20Yod%20(pronounced%20Y%C5%8Dde)%2C,Sunset%20Strip%20in%20Los%20Angeles.   https://fatheryod.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=26&Itemid=282#.ZC4NqezMJp8   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Source_Family   https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/source-family-cult-interview-isis-aquarian-b2093111.html   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton, Wild Hunt Alex Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Liz T, Dom, Ragnheiður Eiríksdóttir, Benevolent Loki, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin

Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying. - Arthur C. Clarke   Kayla and Chris end the season on a topic with a twist unlike many others covered on this show.   --- *Search Categories* New Age; New Religious Movement   --- *Topic Spoiler* The Aetherius Society   --- *Further Reading* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjG-Wz2aZME https://www.aetherius.org/locations/los-angeles/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aetherius_Society https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/vice-the-alien-worshippers/59a81ccbaf5f97fc5813445f ​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWjl5CDk2vs https://www.aetherius.org/the-extraterrestrial-message/cosmic-masters/ https://www.aetherius.org/the-extraterrestrial-message/six-adepts/   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Liz T, Dom, Ragnheiður Eiríksdóttir

"Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it does waggle its eyebrows suggestively and gesture furtively while mouthing ‘look over there.'" - Randall Munroe   Keep an eye on this one- Chris talks to Kayla about a particular type of therapy that has been gaining in popularity in the last few years.   --- *Search Categories* Science / Pseudoscience; Alt Medicine / Wellness   --- *Topic Spoiler* EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing)   --- *Further Reading*   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_movement_desensitization_and_reprocessing https://www.apa.org/ptsd-guideline/treatments/eye-movement-reprocessing https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/emdr-taking-a-closer-look/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/emdr-and-acupuncture-selling-non-specific-effects/ https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/post-traumatic-stress-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20355967 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=EMDR https://www.jneurology.com/articles/scientific-evaluation-of-emdr-psychotherapy-for-the-treatment-of-psychological-trauma-summary-scientific-evaluation-of-emdr-psycho.html https://www.insider.com/nxivm-used-real-psychology-to-fetishize-vulnerability-manipulate-2020-9 https://www.reddit.com/r/scientology/comments/mrssez/emdr_and_scientology/ https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emdr-therapy-is-this-just-scientology-or-what/470281/8   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown, Kelly Smith Upton Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny

"It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences.”  -Audre Lorde   Kayla & Chris have a healing conversation about a topic that weighs heavily on all of us.   --- *Search Categories* Destructive; Science / Pseudoscience; Alt Medicine / Wellness   --- *Topic Spoiler* Fat Liberation & Fat Acceptance   --- *Further Reading* https://denariigrace.com/ https://nyupress.org/9781479886753/fearing-the-black-body/ https://naafa.org/ https://asdah.org/ https://unsolicitedftb.libsyn.com/ https://www.sonyareneetaylor.com/ https://dashaunharrison.com/ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/104805/marilyn-wann/#:~:text=Marilyn%20Wann%20is%20a%20fat,She%20later%20published%20the%20FAT! https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/edit/10.4324/9781315603285/queering-fat-embodiment-cat-paus%C3%A9-jackie-wykes-samantha-murray http://www.radiancemagazine.com/issues/1998/winter_98/fat_underground.html https://www.virgietovar.com/ https://www.marquiselemercedes.com/ https://www.caleb-luna.com/ https://www.instagram.com/blackqueeriroh/?hl=en https://www.jordanunderwood.com/ https://antidietriotclub.co.uk/ https://www.yourfatfriend.com/fat-reading-list

Sometimes you want pain to be acknowledged and not whitewashed- or erased by some exceptionalist point of view. -Ari Aster   Chris & Kayla mix things up a bit by analyzing a cult that doesn't even exist.   --- *Search Categories* Internet Culture; Common interest/Fandom; Anthropological   --- *Topic Spoiler* the film Midsommar's Harga community   --- *Further Reading* https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8772262/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midsommar https://www.polygon.com/2019/7/5/20681187/midsommar-spoilers-cult-harga-ari-aster https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/midsommar-is-harga-real https://screenrant.com/midsommar-movie-harga-cult-customs-explained/

The need for connection and community is primal, as fundamental as the need for air, water, and food. -Dean Ornish Kayla & Chris explore a much-maligned fandom on the internet, and learn a little bit about themselves and humanity along the way.   --- *Search Categories* Internet Culture; Common interest/Fandom; Anthropological   --- *Topic Spoiler* The Furry Fandom (Furries)   --- *Further Reading* https://furscience.com/ https://furscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Fur-Science-Final-pdf-for-Website_2017_10_18.pdf https://twitter.com/furscience/ https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/WikiFur_Furry_Central https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/ https://www.furaffinity.net/ https://www.thefandomfilm.com/

In my estimation, the only thing that is more to be guarded against than bad taste is good taste. - Russell Lynes Chris & Kayla partake of an ancient (relatively speaking) autumnal ritual.   --- *Search Categories* Business; Internet Culture; Common interest/Fandom   --- *Topic Spoiler* Pumpkin Spice Fandom   --- *Further Reading* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin_pie_spice https://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/pictures-that-prove-this-whole-pumpkin-spice-thing-has-go?utm_term=.qrzxlVZMAw#.rlNPy7Or9D https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/weird-pumpkin-spice-things https://www.wideopeneats.com/15-ridiculous-pumpkin-season-products/ https://www.bhg.com/recipes/seasonal/pumpkin-spice-history/#:~:text=The%20origin%20of%20pumpkin%20spice,are%20now%20part%20of%20Indonesia. https://www.foodandwine.com/lifestyle/pumpkin-spice-history https://www.history.com/news/pumpkin-spice-trade-nutmeg-archaeology https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/anthropology-in-practice/the-rise-of-pumpkin-spice/ https://www.thegoodtrade.com/features/pumpkin-spice-history https://www.businessinsider.com/millennials-starbucks-pumpkin-spice-latte-cultural-icon-2021-10 https://www.forbes.com/sites/maggiemcgrath/2018/10/31/inside-the-600-million-pumpkin-spice-industrial-complex/?sh=54d3a7501b95 https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/8/29/17791082/pumpkin-spice-latte-starbucks-backlash-explained https://www.buzzfeed.com/vchamlee/how-pumpkin-spice-conquered-the-world https://mashable.com/article/pumpkin-spice-school-evacuation https://mashable.com/article/pumpkin-spice-latte-american-empire https://mashable.com/article/pumpkin-spice-latte-is-too-fancy-for-me https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/how-did-pumpkin-spice-become-the-flavor-of-fall/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/yp3mwy/this-video-explains-the-science-of-pumpkin-spice https://www.vice.com/en/article/pgx5ng/fuck-pumpkin-spice https://www.vice.com/en/article/z4gayw/in-defense-of-pumpkin-spice   Pompkin pie recipe: https://history-in-the-making.com/2020/10/11/pompkin-pumpkin-pie/   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Kelly Smith Upton, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith

All is Number. Chris helps Kayla square her understanding of a well known but little understood historical character.   --- *Search Categories* New Religious Movement; Science/Pseudoscience; Anthropological --- *Topic Spoiler* Pythagoreanism --- *Further Reading* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreanism https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pythagoras/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaximander https://classicalwisdom.com/philosophy/cult-of-pythagoras/ https://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/path/v02n11p340_the-beans-of-pythagoras.htm https://medium.com/swlh/pythagoreanism-the-story-of-pythagoras-and-his-irrational-cult-4111ece047ea https://www.ranker.com/list/inside-cult-of-pythagoras/nicky-benson https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-Ancient-Greek-Philosopher-Pythagoras-and-the-Cult-of-the-Pythagoreans https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/1996/03/13/pythagoras-the-cult-of-personality-and-the-mystical-power-of-numbers/92ef23a9-fad2-4c12-8089-ddd0aaf8c4a7/ http://www.massline.org/PhilosDog/P/Pythagoras.htm https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/fart-gods-farting-out-one-s-soul-historic-ritualization-farts-009699 https://theapeiron.co.uk/the-philosophy-of-farting-fcd15dd8f3ed https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2015/08/31/be-smart-dont-fart-the-pythagorean-prohibition-of-beans/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/fava-the-magic-bean/   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Kelly Smith Upton, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith

When you're surrounded by people who share a passionate commitment around a common purpose, anything is possible." -Howard Schultz Grab your favorite iced, sugary, coffee-adjacent beverage, because Kayla and Chris have an episode brewing, featuring a conversation with some partners who are helping their corporate overlords walk the walk.   --- *Search Categories* Business --- *Topic Spoiler* Starbucks Workers Unions --- *Further Reading* https://sbworkersunited.org/ https://twitter.com/SBWorkersUnited?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor https://abc7.com/los-angeles-starbucks-union-little-tokyo-california/11886887/ https://laist.com/news/more-starbucks-stores-across-la-county-are-unionizing-heres-why https://lbpost.com/news/starbucks-union-vote-redondo-seventh-long-beach https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-05-13/starbucks-union-lakewood-long-beach-southern-california https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-15/starbucks-strike-california-santa-cruz-lakewood-barstow --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Kelly Smith Upton, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith

"Even the largest avalanche is triggered by small things." - Vernor Vinge Kayla and Chris tell another side of the classic MLM story - the downfall. And we've got a special interview here to give us all the dirt. --- *Search Categories* MLM; Internet culture; Business; Science/Pseudoscience; Alt Medicine/Wellness --- *Topic Spoiler* Black Oxygen Organics aka BOO --- *Further Reading* https://mombie-antimlm.com/ https://www.facebook.com/MLMombie/ https://www.instagram.com/mlmombie/?hl=en https://truthinadvertising.org/ https://mombie-antimlm.com/how-to-report/ ​​https://www.nbcnews.com/news/magic-dirt-internet-fueled-defeated-pandemics-weirdest-mlm-rcna6950 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHTKMCPaswA https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/facebook-fears-parasites-push-people-post-pictures-feces-pursue-dangerous-n1081286 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3VTQgy4pGI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Oxygen_Organics --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Kelly Smith Upton, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith

“Human connection is the suicide killer." Chris and Kayla revisit a former topic that's reared its head in mainstream culture again to talk about why this person continues to amass power...and what the other options are. --- *Search Categories* New Age; Internet culture --- *Topic Spoiler* Teal Swan and suicidality  --- *Further Reading* Emmengard suicide scale The North Wind & the Sun parable David Foster Wallace quote 988 Suicide Prevention Lifeline The Trevor Project Trans Lifeline The Deep End (Teal Swan doc) Conspirituality Podcast (they have a series revisiting Teal Swan under the new light of the doc) --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Kelly Smith Upton, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith

Kayla and Chris are on vacation this week! But we still want to bring you some sweet sweet content, so here is a bonus episode from the CoJW patreon last season, where we discuss how weird it is that abusers from disparate communities all use the same refrain when facing accountability: "I didn't know it was wrong!" --- *Search Categories* Destructive --- *Topic Spoiler* S3E19 Patreon Bonus episode --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge, Lewis Brown Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Kelly Smith Upton, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen

“Sometimes reality is too complex. Stories give it form.” - Jean Luc Godard Kayla and Chris fall down the dollhole into an online world of unstable meaning and multilayered storytelling. --- *Search Categories* Internet culture; Common interest/Fandom --- *Topic Spoiler* Empty Spaces --- *Further Reading* https://litreactor.com/columns/the-art-of-microfiction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_fiction An Empty Introduction from @maybeElse List of Empty Spaces writers on Twitter Map of Ways of Being from @maybeElse https://write.as/maybeelse/ @AlaraFae's thread on "Not a Person" https://pluralityresource.org/plurality-information/ @SheepwaveN's Empty Spaces Dictionary --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti, Patrick St-Onge Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Kelly Smith Upton, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen

“Before you attempt to beat the odds, be sure you could survive the odds beating you.” - Larry Kersten Chris takes us back to the 90s... a decade of neon green baseball hats, Crystal Pepsi, Michael Jordan, Alanis Morrisette. And hedge fund disasters. --- *Search Categories* Business; Destructive --- *Topic Spoiler* Long Term Capital Management --- *Further Reading* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-Term_Capital_Management https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_fund https://www.amazon.com/When-Genius-Failed-Long-Term-Management/dp/0375758259 https://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/business/worldbusiness/07iht-07ltcm.15941880.html https://www.businessinsider.com/the-fall-of-long-term-capital-management-2014-7 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2003/aug/26/2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black%E2%80%93Scholes_model https://www.businessinsider.com/17-equations-that-changed-the-world-2014-3   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Kelly Smith Upton, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, ISeeSpidersWhereThereAreNone, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen  

“Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair.” - Mariame Kaba With the tragic June 24th reversal of Roe v Wade, Chris & Kayla eschew the usual format and lean hard into talking about helpers. --- *Search Categories* Destructive --- *Topic Spoiler* Abortion Justice & Access --- *Further Reading* For those seeking abortion access (PLEASE access these while using a VPN): Digital security info AbortionPillInfo.org (information about self-managed medication abortion) If/When/How Legal Repro Helpline PlanCPills.org (information about accessing self-managed medication abortion) INeedAnA.com (to make an appointment at a clinic) For those looking to support or join the fight for abortion access: Resource document shared by Mariame Kaba Resource document shared by Alison Turkos Donations4Abortions.com (connect to abortion funds and practical support organizations in your state) AbortionFunds.org (National Network of Abortion Funds) Let's Talk About Abortion Toolkit from Avow Texas Liberate Abortion Talking Points State-specific actions: If you're in Kansas join Kansas for Constitutional Freedom. They're working hard to defeat the August 2, 2022 constitutional amendment. VOTE NO ON THE BAN! If you're in Vermont help to pass the Reproductive Liberty Amendment this November If you're in Kentucky join to help stop and defeat this ballot initiative in November If you're in Michigan join to help and support this amendment --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Annika Ramen, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Kelly Smith Upton, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, ISeeSpidersWhereThereAreNone, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske

"The worm is not to be trusted" - William Shakespeare, Antony and Cleopatra Chris & Kayla "dig in" to an unlikely but prolific Ponzi scheme in this week's episode. --- *Search Categories* Business; MLM --- *Topic Spoiler* B&B Worm Farm Ponzi scheme --- *Further Reading* https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/06/30/crawling-with-trouble   https://www.thedailyscoop.com/news/agricultures-darkest-fraud-hidden-under-dirt-and-lies   https://www.wave3.com/story/1296095/out-of-town-company-leaves-ky-worm-farmers-hanging/   https://www.agweb.com/news/machinery/100-ideas/ags-darkest-fraud-hidden-dirt   https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2003/04/15/state-brings-lawsuit-against-worm-grower/62048417007/   https://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=17652   https://www.farmanddairy.com/news/worm-company-sued-for-millions/1695.html   https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2003/07/11/state-officials-slow-to-step-into-muck-surrounding-worm-farm-scam/28756218007/   http://www.columbiamagazine.com/index.php?sid=10640   https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/oklahomas-greatest-ponzi-scheme-bred-hoards-of-unwanted-worms   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Annika Ramen, Zero Serres, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Kelly Smith Upton, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, ISeeSpidersWhereThereAreNone, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish

"We use Halloween to scare the kids and bankers to scare the adults." - Anthony T. Hincks Chris and Kayla revisit a past guest to explore a new topic - and take a look at our own biases. Special thanks to returning friend of the show, Mike Rothschild! @rothschildmd on twitter, The Storm is Upon Us on Amazon Episode content warning: Antisemitism  --- *Search Categories* Conspiracy Theory; Business; Anthropological; Destructive --- *Topic Spoiler* The Rothschild Family --- *Further Reading* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_antisemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/24162 https://www.washingtonpost.com/podcasts/retropod/how-the-antisemitic-conspiracy-theories-about-the-rothschilds-began-1/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/03/19/the-rothschilds-a-pamphlet-by-satan-and-conspiracy-theories-tied-to-a-battle-200-years-ago/ https://www.salon.com/2022/04/14/do-jewish-bankers-control-the-weather-a-short-history-of-this-dumb-but-ugly-conspiracy-theory/ https://www.britannica.com/story/where-do-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theories-about-the-rothschild-family-come-from https://paulsalmons.associates/blog/conspiracy-theories https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/Rothschild https://www.jta.org/2022/05/23/culture/a-rothschild-who-debunks-conspiracy-theories-for-a-living-is-writing-the-book-about-jewish-space-lasers   --- *Patreon Credits* Michaela Evans, Heather Aunspach, Annika Ramen, Zero Serres, Alyssa Ottum, David Whiteside, Jade A, amy sarah marshall, Martina Dobson, Eillie Anzilotti Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Kelly Smith Upton, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, ISeeSpidersWhereThereAreNone, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish