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Could it be done? Is it possible to call anything Green Day have ever released both unsung AND (crucially, because there's a fair bit of 'meh' in their catalogue) good? Well folks, this week and next we're going to do our very best to find out. And we're joined by our good friend Rick Bruce from Coffin Mulch and Moonshine Docks. Our contention? That their fourth album, Insomniac, is an unsung classic. This is all relative of course--in the 90s and 00s they sold bucket loads of records. How many people had copies of their records knocking about in their car footwells before 2010? Probably millions. And it hasn't stopped. They're still pulling down millions of streams per month. Objectively, they are huge. And somewhat less objectively, they're probably the biggest punk band ever, and certainly one of the biggest bands on earth. I mean, Insomniac itself isn't even their lowest selling record. And in this episode, we don't even get to it! It's a two parter after all. No, in this episode we talk about everything from the 1000 Hours EP right up to, and including, Warning. With a brief detour into Pinhead Gunpowder too. We'll tackle Insomniac itself in our next episode--as is our way. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 02:08 Green Day at the Super Bowl 04:47 Is It Even Possible for Green Day to be Unsung?! 05:23 Support us on Patreon 06:53 Mark's Album-a-Day Project, Power Pop Rabbit Holes & Mic Banter 08:45 Green Day 101: Origins, Pop-Punk Blueprint & Gilman Street 10:51 Influences Deep Dive: Hüsker Dü, Replacements, Costello, Op Ivy & More 15:21 Which Album Is Unsung? Debating Kerplunk, Nimrod & Insomniac 20:27 Early Timeline: Sweet Children, 1,000 Hours EP & 39/Smooth Era 22:40 Scene Discipline vs Scottish Modesty: Getting Good on Purpose 33:03 Kerplunk Breakthrough, Major-Label Controversy & Setting Up Dookie 35:27 How I First Bought Dookie (and Why It Wasn't a 5/5 Yet) 37:03 1994: The Year Pop-Punk Exploded (Offspring, NOFX, Weezer & More) 38:04 Green Day's Mainstream Breakthrough: MTV, Grammys, and the Blink-182 Ripple Effect 43:56 Insomniac (1995): Darker, Faster, Burnout After Fame 46:55 Nimrod (1997): 'Good Riddance' and the Genre-Hopping Era 51:38 Seeing Green Day Live: Glasgow Shows, Merch Regrets, and Peak Memories 53:17 Do Novelty Songs Ruin Pop-Punk? The Big Debate (Descendents, The Offspring, Blink) 59:50 Warning (2000): Polished Pivot, Chasing Hits—or Underrated Growth? 01:09:12 From Warning to American Idiot: The Stolen 'Cigarettes & Valentines' Sessions 01:12:12 On the Cusp of American Idiot (Wrap-Up & Next Part Tease) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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From Palantir and Two Sigma to building Goodfire into the poster-child for actionable mechanistic interpretability, Mark Bissell (Member of Technical Staff) and Myra Deng (Head of Product) are trying to turn “peeking inside the model” into a repeatable production workflow by shipping APIs, landing real enterprise deployments, and now scaling the bet with a recent $150M Series B funding round at a $1.25B valuation.In this episode, we go far beyond the usual “SAEs are cool” take. We talk about Goodfire's core bet: that the AI lifecycle is still fundamentally broken because the only reliable control we have is data and we post-train, RLHF, and fine-tune by “slurping supervision through a straw,” hoping the model picks up the right behaviors while quietly absorbing the wrong ones. Goodfire's answer is to build a bi-directional interface between humans and models: read what's happening inside, edit it surgically, and eventually use interpretability during training so customization isn't just brute-force guesswork.Mark and Myra walk through what that looks like when you stop treating interpretability like a lab demo and start treating it like infrastructure: lightweight probes that add near-zero latency, token-level safety filters that can run at inference time, and interpretability workflows that survive messy constraints (multilingual inputs, synthetic→real transfer, regulated domains, no access to sensitive data). We also get a live window into what “frontier-scale interp” means operationally (i.e. steering a trillion-parameter model in real time by targeting internal features) plus why the same tooling generalizes cleanly from language models to genomics, medical imaging, and “pixel-space” world models.We discuss:* Myra + Mark's path: Palantir (health systems, forward-deployed engineering) → Goodfire early team; Two Sigma → Head of Product, translating frontier interpretability research into a platform and real-world deployments* What “interpretability” actually means in practice: not just post-hoc poking, but a broader “science of deep learning” approach across the full AI lifecycle (data curation → post-training → internal representations → model design)* Why post-training is the first big wedge: “surgical edits” for unintended behaviors likereward hacking, sycophancy, noise learned during customization plus the dream of targeted unlearning and bias removal without wrecking capabilities* SAEs vs probes in the real world: why SAE feature spaces sometimes underperform classifiers trained on raw activations for downstream detection tasks (hallucination, harmful intent, PII), and what that implies about “clean concept spaces”* Rakuten in production: deploying interpretability-based token-level PII detection at inference time to prevent routing private data to downstream providers plus the gnarly constraints: no training on real customer PII, synthetic→real transfer, English + Japanese, and tokenization quirks* Why interp can be operationally cheaper than LLM-judge guardrails: probes are lightweight, low-latency, and don't require hosting a second large model in the loop* Real-time steering at frontier scale: a demo of steering Kimi K2 (~1T params) live and finding features via SAE pipelines, auto-labeling via LLMs, and toggling a “Gen-Z slang” feature across multiple layers without breaking tool use* Hallucinations as an internal signal: the case that models have latent uncertainty / “user-pleasing” circuitry you can detect and potentially mitigate more directly than black-box methods* Steering vs prompting: the emerging view that activation steering and in-context learning are more closely connected than people think, including work mapping between the two (even for jailbreak-style behaviors)* Interpretability for science: using the same tooling across domains (genomics, medical imaging, materials) to debug spurious correlations and extract new knowledge up to and including early biomarker discovery work with major partners* World models + “pixel-space” interpretability: why vision/video models make concepts easier to see, how that accelerates the feedback loop, and why robotics/world-model partners are especially interesting design partners* The north star: moving from “data in, weights out” to intentional model design where experts can impart goals and constraints directly, not just via reward signals and brute-force post-training—Goodfire AI* Website: https://goodfire.ai* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/goodfire-ai/* X: https://x.com/GoodfireAIMyra Deng* Website: https://myradeng.com/* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/myra-deng/* X: https://x.com/myra_dengMark Bissell* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-bissell/* X: https://x.com/MarkMBissellFull Video EpisodeTimestamps00:00:00 Introduction00:00:05 Introduction to the Latent Space Podcast and Guests from Goodfire00:00:29 What is Goodfire? Mission and Focus on Interpretability00:01:01 Goodfire's Practical Approach to Interpretability00:01:37 Goodfire's Series B Fundraise Announcement00:02:04 Backgrounds of Mark and Myra from Goodfire00:02:51 Team Structure and Roles at Goodfire00:05:13 What is Interpretability? Definitions and Techniques00:05:30 Understanding Errors00:07:29 Post-training vs. Pre-training Interpretability Applications00:08:51 Using Interpretability to Remove Unwanted Behaviors00:10:09 Grokking, Double Descent, and Generalization in Models00:10:15 404 Not Found Explained00:12:06 Subliminal Learning and Hidden Biases in Models00:14:07 How Goodfire Chooses Research Directions and Projects00:15:00 Troubleshooting Errors00:16:04 Limitations of SAEs and Probes in Interpretability00:18:14 Rakuten Case Study: Production Deployment of Interpretability00:20:45 Conclusion00:21:12 Efficiency Benefits of Interpretability Techniques00:21:26 Live Demo: Real-Time Steering in a Trillion Parameter Model00:25:15 How Steering Features are Identified and Labeled00:26:51 Detecting and Mitigating Hallucinations Using Interpretability00:31:20 Equivalence of Activation Steering and Prompting00:34:06 Comparing Steering with Fine-Tuning and LoRA Techniques00:36:04 Model Design and the Future of Intentional AI Development00:38:09 Getting Started in Mechinterp: Resources, Programs, and Open Problems00:40:51 Industry Applications and the Rise of Mechinterp in Practice00:41:39 Interpretability for Code Models and Real-World Usage00:43:07 Making Steering Useful for More Than Stylistic Edits00:46:17 Applying Interpretability to Healthcare and Scientific Discovery00:49:15 Why Interpretability is Crucial in High-Stakes Domains like Healthcare00:52:03 Call for Design Partners Across Domains00:54:18 Interest in World Models and Visual Interpretability00:57:22 Sci-Fi Inspiration: Ted Chiang and Interpretability01:00:14 Interpretability, Safety, and Alignment Perspectives01:04:27 Weak-to-Strong Generalization and Future Alignment Challenges01:05:38 Final Thoughts and Hiring/Collaboration Opportunities at GoodfireTranscriptShawn Wang [00:00:05]: So welcome to the Latent Space pod. We're back in the studio with our special MechInterp co-host, Vibhu. Welcome. Mochi, Mochi's special co-host. And Mochi, the mechanistic interpretability doggo. We have with us Mark and Myra from Goodfire. Welcome. Thanks for having us on. Maybe we can sort of introduce Goodfire and then introduce you guys. How do you introduce Goodfire today?Myra Deng [00:00:29]: Yeah, it's a great question. So Goodfire, we like to say, is an AI research lab that focuses on using interpretability to understand, learn from, and design AI models. And we really believe that interpretability will unlock the new generation, next frontier of safe and powerful AI models. That's our description right now, and I'm excited to dive more into the work we're doing to make that happen.Shawn Wang [00:00:55]: Yeah. And there's always like the official description. Is there an understatement? Is there an unofficial one that sort of resonates more with a different audience?Mark Bissell [00:01:01]: Well, being an AI research lab that's focused on interpretability, there's obviously a lot of people have a lot that they think about when they think of interpretability. And I think we have a pretty broad definition of what that means and the types of places that can be applied. And in particular, applying it in production scenarios, in high stakes industries, and really taking it sort of from the research world into the real world. Which, you know. It's a new field, so that hasn't been done all that much. And we're excited about actually seeing that sort of put into practice.Shawn Wang [00:01:37]: Yeah, I would say it wasn't too long ago that Anthopic was like still putting out like toy models or superposition and that kind of stuff. And I wouldn't have pegged it to be this far along. When you and I talked at NeurIPS, you were talking a little bit about your production use cases and your customers. And then not to bury the lead, today we're also announcing the fundraise, your Series B. $150 million. $150 million at a 1.25B valuation. Congrats, Unicorn.Mark Bissell [00:02:02]: Thank you. Yeah, no, things move fast.Shawn Wang [00:02:04]: We were talking to you in December and already some big updates since then. Let's dive, I guess, into a bit of your backgrounds as well. Mark, you were at Palantir working on health stuff, which is really interesting because the Goodfire has some interesting like health use cases. I don't know how related they are in practice.Mark Bissell [00:02:22]: Yeah, not super related, but I don't know. It was helpful context to know what it's like. Just to work. Just to work with health systems and generally in that domain. Yeah.Shawn Wang [00:02:32]: And Mara, you were at Two Sigma, which actually I was also at Two Sigma back in the day. Wow, nice.Myra Deng [00:02:37]: Did we overlap at all?Shawn Wang [00:02:38]: No, this is when I was briefly a software engineer before I became a sort of developer relations person. And now you're head of product. What are your sort of respective roles, just to introduce people to like what all gets done in Goodfire?Mark Bissell [00:02:51]: Yeah, prior to Goodfire, I was at Palantir for about three years as a forward deployed engineer, now a hot term. Wasn't always that way. And as a technical lead on the health care team and at Goodfire, I'm a member of the technical staff. And honestly, that I think is about as specific as like as as I could describe myself because I've worked on a range of things. And, you know, it's it's a fun time to be at a team that's still reasonably small. I think when I joined one of the first like ten employees, now we're above 40, but still, it looks like there's always a mix of research and engineering and product and all of the above. That needs to get done. And I think everyone across the team is, you know, pretty, pretty switch hitter in the roles they do. So I think you've seen some of the stuff that I worked on related to image models, which was sort of like a research demo. More recently, I've been working on our scientific discovery team with some of our life sciences partners, but then also building out our core platform for more of like flexing some of the kind of MLE and developer skills as well.Shawn Wang [00:03:53]: Very generalist. And you also had like a very like a founding engineer type role.Myra Deng [00:03:58]: Yeah, yeah.Shawn Wang [00:03:59]: So I also started as I still am a member of technical staff, did a wide range of things from the very beginning, including like finding our office space and all of this, which is we both we both visited when you had that open house thing. It was really nice.Myra Deng [00:04:13]: Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Plug to come visit our office.Shawn Wang [00:04:15]: It looked like it was like 200 people. It has room for 200 people. But you guys are like 10.Myra Deng [00:04:22]: For a while, it was very empty. But yeah, like like Mark, I spend. A lot of my time as as head of product, I think product is a bit of a weird role these days, but a lot of it is thinking about how do we take our frontier research and really apply it to the most important real world problems and how does that then translate into a platform that's repeatable or a product and working across, you know, the engineering and research teams to make that happen and also communicating to the world? Like, what is interpretability? What is it used for? What is it good for? Why is it so important? All of these things are part of my day-to-day as well.Shawn Wang [00:05:01]: I love like what is things because that's a very crisp like starting point for people like coming to a field. They all do a fun thing. Vibhu, why don't you want to try tackling what is interpretability and then they can correct us.Vibhu Sapra [00:05:13]: Okay, great. So I think like one, just to kick off, it's a very interesting role to be head of product, right? Because you guys, at least as a lab, you're more of an applied interp lab, right? Which is pretty different than just normal interp, like a lot of background research. But yeah. You guys actually ship an API to try these things. You have Ember, you have products around it, which not many do. Okay. What is interp? So basically you're trying to have an understanding of what's going on in model, like in the model, in the internal. So different approaches to do that. You can do probing, SAEs, transcoders, all this stuff. But basically you have an, you have a hypothesis. You have something that you want to learn about what's happening in a model internals. And then you're trying to solve that from there. You can do stuff like you can, you know, you can do activation mapping. You can try to do steering. There's a lot of stuff that you can do, but the key question is, you know, from input to output, we want to have a better understanding of what's happening and, you know, how can we, how can we adjust what's happening on the model internals? How'd I do?Mark Bissell [00:06:12]: That was really good. I think that was great. I think it's also a, it's kind of a minefield of a, if you ask 50 people who quote unquote work in interp, like what is interpretability, you'll probably get 50 different answers. And. Yeah. To some extent also like where, where good fire sits in the space. I think that we're an AI research company above all else. And interpretability is a, is a set of methods that we think are really useful and worth kind of specializing in, in order to accomplish the goals we want to accomplish. But I think we also sort of see some of the goals as even more broader as, as almost like the science of deep learning and just taking a not black box approach to kind of any part of the like AI development life cycle, whether that. That means using interp for like data curation while you're training your model or for understanding what happened during post-training or for the, you know, understanding activations and sort of internal representations, what is in there semantically. And then a lot of sort of exciting updates that were, you know, are sort of also part of the, the fundraise around bringing interpretability to training, which I don't think has been done all that much before. A lot of this stuff is sort of post-talk poking at models as opposed to. To actually using this to intentionally design them.Shawn Wang [00:07:29]: Is this post-training or pre-training or is that not a useful.Myra Deng [00:07:33]: Currently focused on post-training, but there's no reason the techniques wouldn't also work in pre-training.Shawn Wang [00:07:38]: Yeah. It seems like it would be more active, applicable post-training because basically I'm thinking like rollouts or like, you know, having different variations of a model that you can tweak with the, with your steering. Yeah.Myra Deng [00:07:50]: And I think in a lot of the news that you've seen in, in, on like Twitter or whatever, you've seen a lot of unintended. Side effects come out of post-training processes, you know, overly sycophantic models or models that exhibit strange reward hacking behavior. I think these are like extreme examples. There's also, you know, very, uh, mundane, more mundane, like enterprise use cases where, you know, they try to customize or post-train a model to do something and it learns some noise or it doesn't appropriately learn the target task. And a big question that we've always had is like, how do you use your understanding of what the model knows and what it's doing to actually guide the learning process?Shawn Wang [00:08:26]: Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, just to anchor this for people, uh, one of the biggest controversies of last year was 4.0 GlazeGate. I've never heard of GlazeGate. I didn't know that was what it was called. The other one, they called it that on the blog post and I was like, well, how did OpenAI call it? Like officially use that term. And I'm like, that's funny, but like, yeah, I guess it's the pitch that if they had worked a good fire, they wouldn't have avoided it. Like, you know what I'm saying?Myra Deng [00:08:51]: I think so. Yeah. Yeah.Mark Bissell [00:08:53]: I think that's certainly one of the use cases. I think. Yeah. Yeah. I think the reason why post-training is a place where this makes a lot of sense is a lot of what we're talking about is surgical edits. You know, you want to be able to have expert feedback, very surgically change how your model is doing, whether that is, you know, removing a certain behavior that it has. So, you know, one of the things that we've been looking at or is, is another like common area where you would want to make a somewhat surgical edit is some of the models that have say political bias. Like you look at Quen or, um, R1 and they have sort of like this CCP bias.Shawn Wang [00:09:27]: Is there a CCP vector?Mark Bissell [00:09:29]: Well, there's, there are certainly internal, yeah. Parts of the representation space where you can sort of see where that lives. Yeah. Um, and you want to kind of, you know, extract that piece out.Shawn Wang [00:09:40]: Well, I always say, you know, whenever you find a vector, a fun exercise is just like, make it very negative to see what the opposite of CCP is.Mark Bissell [00:09:47]: The super America, bald eagles flying everywhere. But yeah. So in general, like lots of post-training tasks where you'd want to be able to, to do that. Whether it's unlearning a certain behavior or, you know, some of the other kind of cases where this comes up is, are you familiar with like the, the grokking behavior? I mean, I know the machine learning term of grokking.Shawn Wang [00:10:09]: Yeah.Mark Bissell [00:10:09]: Sort of this like double descent idea of, of having a model that is able to learn a generalizing, a generalizing solution, as opposed to even if memorization of some task would suffice, you want it to learn the more general way of doing a thing. And so, you know, another. A way that you can think about having surgical access to a model's internals would be learn from this data, but learn in the right way. If there are many possible, you know, ways to, to do that. Can make interp solve the double descent problem?Shawn Wang [00:10:41]: Depends, I guess, on how you. Okay. So I, I, I viewed that double descent as a problem because then you're like, well, if the loss curves level out, then you're done, but maybe you're not done. Right. Right. But like, if you actually can interpret what is a generalizing or what you're doing. What is, what is still changing, even though the loss is not changing, then maybe you, you can actually not view it as a double descent problem. And actually you're just sort of translating the space in which you view loss and like, and then you have a smooth curve. Yeah.Mark Bissell [00:11:11]: I think that's certainly like the domain of, of problems that we're, that we're looking to get.Shawn Wang [00:11:15]: Yeah. To me, like double descent is like the biggest thing to like ML research where like, if you believe in scaling, then you don't need, you need to know where to scale. And. But if you believe in double descent, then you don't, you don't believe in anything where like anything levels off, like.Vibhu Sapra [00:11:30]: I mean, also tendentially there's like, okay, when you talk about the China vector, right. There's the subliminal learning work. It was from the anthropic fellows program where basically you can have hidden biases in a model. And as you distill down or, you know, as you train on distilled data, those biases always show up, even if like you explicitly try to not train on them. So, you know, it's just like another use case of. Okay. If we can interpret what's happening in post-training, you know, can we clear some of this? Can we even determine what's there? Because yeah, it's just like some worrying research that's out there that shows, you know, we really don't know what's going on.Mark Bissell [00:12:06]: That is. Yeah. I think that's the biggest sentiment that we're sort of hoping to tackle. Nobody knows what's going on. Right. Like subliminal learning is just an insane concept when you think about it. Right. Train a model on not even the logits, literally the output text of a bunch of random numbers. And now your model loves owls. And you see behaviors like that, that are just, they defy, they defy intuition. And, and there are mathematical explanations that you can get into, but. I mean.Shawn Wang [00:12:34]: It feels so early days. Objectively, there are a sequence of numbers that are more owl-like than others. There, there should be.Mark Bissell [00:12:40]: According to, according to certain models. Right. It's interesting. I think it only applies to models that were initialized from the same starting Z. Usually, yes.Shawn Wang [00:12:49]: But I mean, I think that's a, that's a cheat code because there's not enough compute. But like if you believe in like platonic representation, like probably it will transfer across different models as well. Oh, you think so?Mark Bissell [00:13:00]: I think of it more as a statistical artifact of models initialized from the same seed sort of. There's something that is like path dependent from that seed that might cause certain overlaps in the latent space and then sort of doing this distillation. Yeah. Like it pushes it towards having certain other tendencies.Vibhu Sapra [00:13:24]: Got it. I think there's like a bunch of these open-ended questions, right? Like you can't train in new stuff during the RL phase, right? RL only reorganizes weights and you can only do stuff that's somewhat there in your base model. You're not learning new stuff. You're just reordering chains and stuff. But okay. My broader question is when you guys work at an interp lab, how do you decide what to work on and what's kind of the thought process? Right. Because we can ramble for hours. Okay. I want to know this. I want to know that. But like, how do you concretely like, you know, what's the workflow? Okay. There's like approaches towards solving a problem, right? I can try prompting. I can look at chain of thought. I can train probes, SAEs. But how do you determine, you know, like, okay, is this going anywhere? Like, do we have set stuff? Just, you know, if you can help me with all that. Yeah.Myra Deng [00:14:07]: It's a really good question. I feel like we've always at the very beginning of the company thought about like, let's go and try to learn what isn't working in machine learning today. Whether that's talking to customers or talking to researchers at other labs, trying to understand both where the frontier is going and where things are really not falling apart today. And then developing a perspective on how we can push the frontier using interpretability methods. And so, you know, even our chief scientist, Tom, spends a lot of time talking to customers and trying to understand what real world problems are and then taking that back and trying to apply the current state of the art to those problems and then seeing where they fall down basically. And then using those failures or those shortcomings to understand what hills to climb when it comes to interpretability research. So like on the fundamental side, for instance, when we have done some work applying SAEs and probes, we've encountered, you know, some shortcomings in SAEs that we found a little bit surprising. And so have gone back to the drawing board and done work on that. And then, you know, we've done some work on better foundational interpreter models. And a lot of our team's research is focused on what is the next evolution beyond SAEs, for instance. And then when it comes to like control and design of models, you know, we tried steering with our first API and realized that it still fell short of black box techniques like prompting or fine tuning. And so went back to the drawing board and we're like, how do we make that not the case and how do we improve it beyond that? And one of our researchers, Ekdeep, who just joined is actually Ekdeep and Atticus are like steering experts and have spent a lot of time trying to figure out like, what is the research that enables us to actually do this in a much more powerful, robust way? So yeah, the answer is like, look at real world problems, try to translate that into a research agenda and then like hill climb on both of those at the same time.Shawn Wang [00:16:04]: Yeah. Mark has the steering CLI demo queued up, which we're going to go into in a sec. But I always want to double click on when you drop hints, like we found some problems with SAEs. Okay. What are they? You know, and then we can go into the demo. Yeah.Myra Deng [00:16:19]: I mean, I'm curious if you have more thoughts here as well, because you've done it in the healthcare domain. But I think like, for instance, when we do things like trying to detect behaviors within models that are harmful or like behaviors that a user might not want to have in their model. So hallucinations, for instance, harmful intent, PII, all of these things. We first tried using SAE probes for a lot of these tasks. So taking the feature activation space from SAEs and then training classifiers on top of that, and then seeing how well we can detect the properties that we might want to detect in model behavior. And we've seen in many cases that probes just trained on raw activations seem to perform better than SAE probes, which is a bit surprising if you think that SAEs are actually also capturing the concepts that you would want to capture cleanly and more surgically. And so that is an interesting observation. I don't think that is like, I'm not down on SAEs at all. I think there are many, many things they're useful for, but we have definitely run into cases where I think the concept space described by SAEs is not as clean and accurate as we would expect it to be for actual like real world downstream performance metrics.Mark Bissell [00:17:34]: Fair enough. Yeah. It's the blessing and the curse of unsupervised methods where you get to peek into the AI's mind. But sometimes you wish that you saw other things when you walked inside there. Although in the PII instance, I think weren't an SAE based approach actually did prove to be the most generalizable?Myra Deng [00:17:53]: It did work well in the case that we published with Rakuten. And I think a lot of the reasons it worked well was because we had a noisier data set. And so actually the blessing of unsupervised learning is that we actually got to get more meaningful, generalizable signal from SAEs when the data was noisy. But in other cases where we've had like good data sets, it hasn't been the case.Shawn Wang [00:18:14]: And just because you named Rakuten and I don't know if we'll get it another chance, like what is the overall, like what is Rakuten's usage or production usage? Yeah.Myra Deng [00:18:25]: So they are using us to essentially guardrail and inference time monitor their language model usage and their agent usage to detect things like PII so that they don't route private user information.Myra Deng [00:18:41]: And so that's, you know, going through all of their user queries every day. And that's something that we deployed with them a few months ago. And now we are actually exploring very early partnerships, not just with Rakuten, but with other people around how we can help with potentially training and customization use cases as well. Yeah.Shawn Wang [00:19:03]: And for those who don't know, like it's Rakuten is like, I think number one or number two e-commerce store in Japan. Yes. Yeah.Mark Bissell [00:19:10]: And I think that use case actually highlights a lot of like what it looks like to deploy things in practice that you don't always think about when you're doing sort of research tasks. So when you think about some of the stuff that came up there that's more complex than your idealized version of a problem, they were encountering things like synthetic to real transfer of methods. So they couldn't train probes, classifiers, things like that on actual customer data of PII. So what they had to do is use synthetic data sets. And then hope that that transfer is out of domain to real data sets. And so we can evaluate performance on the real data sets, but not train on customer PII. So that right off the bat is like a big challenge. You have multilingual requirements. So this needed to work for both English and Japanese text. Japanese text has all sorts of quirks, including tokenization behaviors that caused lots of bugs that caused us to be pulling our hair out. And then also a lot of tasks you'll see. You might make simplifying assumptions if you're sort of treating it as like the easiest version of the problem to just sort of get like general results where maybe you say you're classifying a sentence to say, does this contain PII? But the need that Rakuten had was token level classification so that you could precisely scrub out the PII. So as we learned more about the problem, you're sort of speaking about what that looks like in practice. Yeah. A lot of assumptions end up breaking. And that was just one instance where you. A problem that seems simple right off the bat ends up being more complex as you keep diving into it.Vibhu Sapra [00:20:41]: Excellent. One of the things that's also interesting with Interp is a lot of these methods are very efficient, right? So where you're just looking at a model's internals itself compared to a separate like guardrail, LLM as a judge, a separate model. One, you have to host it. Two, there's like a whole latency. So if you use like a big model, you have a second call. Some of the work around like self detection of hallucination, it's also deployed for efficiency, right? So if you have someone like Rakuten doing it in production live, you know, that's just another thing people should consider.Mark Bissell [00:21:12]: Yeah. And something like a probe is super lightweight. Yeah. It's no extra latency really. Excellent.Shawn Wang [00:21:17]: You have the steering demos lined up. So we were just kind of see what you got. I don't, I don't actually know if this is like the latest, latest or like alpha thing.Mark Bissell [00:21:26]: No, this is a pretty hacky demo from from a presentation that someone else on the team recently gave. So this will give a sense for, for technology. So you can see the steering and action. Honestly, I think the biggest thing that this highlights is that as we've been growing as a company and taking on kind of more and more ambitious versions of interpretability related problems, a lot of that comes to scaling up in various different forms. And so here you're going to see steering on a 1 trillion parameter model. This is Kimi K2. And so it's sort of fun that in addition to the research challenges, there are engineering challenges that we're now tackling. Cause for any of this to be sort of useful in production, you need to be thinking about what it looks like when you're using these methods on frontier models as opposed to sort of like toy kind of model organisms. So yeah, this was thrown together hastily, pretty fragile behind the scenes, but I think it's quite a fun demo. So screen sharing is on. So I've got two terminal sessions pulled up here. On the left is a forked version that we have of the Kimi CLI that we've got running to point at our custom hosted Kimi model. And then on the right is a set up that will allow us to steer on certain concepts. So I should be able to chat with Kimi over here. Tell it hello. This is running locally. So the CLI is running locally, but the Kimi server is running back to the office. Well, hopefully should be, um, that's too much to run on that Mac. Yeah. I think it's, uh, it takes a full, like each 100 node. I think it's like, you can. You can run it on eight GPUs, eight 100. So, so yeah, Kimi's running. We can ask it a prompt. It's got a forked version of our, uh, of the SG line code base that we've been working on. So I'm going to tell it, Hey, this SG line code base is slow. I think there's a bug. Can you try to figure it out? There's a big code base, so it'll, it'll spend some time doing this. And then on the right here, I'm going to initialize in real time. Some steering. Let's see here.Mark Bissell [00:23:33]: searching for any. Bugs. Feature ID 43205.Shawn Wang [00:23:38]: Yeah.Mark Bissell [00:23:38]: 20, 30, 40. So let me, uh, this is basically a feature that we found that inside Kimi seems to cause it to speak in Gen Z slang. And so on the left, it's still sort of thinking normally it might take, I don't know, 15 seconds for this to kick in, but then we're going to start hopefully seeing him do this code base is massive for real. So we're going to start. We're going to start seeing Kimi transition as the steering kicks in from normal Kimi to Gen Z Kimi and both in its chain of thought and its actual outputs.Mark Bissell [00:24:19]: And interestingly, you can see, you know, it's still able to call tools, uh, and stuff. It's um, it's purely sort of it's it's demeanor. And there are other features that we found for interesting things like concision. So that's more of a practical one. You can make it more concise. Um, the types of programs, uh, programming languages that uses, but yeah, as we're seeing it come in. Pretty good. Outputs.Shawn Wang [00:24:43]: Scheduler code is actually wild.Vibhu Sapra [00:24:46]: Yo, this code is actually insane, bro.Vibhu Sapra [00:24:53]: What's the process of training in SAE on this, or, you know, how do you label features? I know you guys put out a pretty cool blog post about, um, finding this like autonomous interp. Um, something. Something about how agents for interp is different than like coding agents. I don't know while this is spewing up, but how, how do we find feature 43, two Oh five. Yeah.Mark Bissell [00:25:15]: So in this case, um, we, our platform that we've been building out for a long time now supports all the sort of classic out of the box interp techniques that you might want to have like SAE training, probing things of that kind, I'd say the techniques for like vanilla SAEs are pretty well established now where. You take your model that you're interpreting, run a whole bunch of data through it, gather activations, and then yeah, pretty straightforward pipeline to train an SAE. There are a lot of different varieties. There's top KSAEs, batch top KSAEs, um, normal ReLU SAEs. And then once you have your sparse features to your point, assigning labels to them to actually understand that this is a gen Z feature, that's actually where a lot of the kind of magic happens. Yeah. And the most basic standard technique is look at all of your d input data set examples that cause this feature to fire most highly. And then you can usually pick out a pattern. So for this feature, If I've run a diverse enough data set through my model feature 43, two Oh five. Probably tends to fire on all the tokens that sounds like gen Z slang. You know, that's the, that's the time of year to be like, Oh, I'm in this, I'm in this Um, and, um, so, you know, you could have a human go through all 43,000 concepts andVibhu Sapra [00:26:34]: And I've got to ask the basic question, you know, can we get examples where it hallucinates, pass it through, see what feature activates for hallucinations? Can I just, you know, turn hallucination down?Myra Deng [00:26:51]: Oh, wow. You really predicted a project we're already working on right now, which is detecting hallucinations using interpretability techniques. And this is interesting because hallucinations is something that's very hard to detect. And it's like a kind of a hairy problem and something that black box methods really struggle with. Whereas like Gen Z, you could always train a simple classifier to detect that hallucinations is harder. But we've seen that models internally have some... Awareness of like uncertainty or some sort of like user pleasing behavior that leads to hallucinatory behavior. And so, yeah, we have a project that's trying to detect that accurately. And then also working on mitigating the hallucinatory behavior in the model itself as well.Shawn Wang [00:27:39]: Yeah, I would say most people are still at the level of like, oh, I would just turn temperature to zero and that turns off hallucination. And I'm like, well, that's a fundamental misunderstanding of how this works. Yeah.Mark Bissell [00:27:51]: Although, so part of what I like about that question is you, there are SAE based approaches that might like help you get at that. But oftentimes the beauty of SAEs and like we said, the curse is that they're unsupervised. So when you have a behavior that you deliberately would like to remove, and that's more of like a supervised task, often it is better to use something like probes and specifically target the thing that you're interested in reducing as opposed to sort of like hoping that when you fragment the latent space, one of the vectors that pops out.Vibhu Sapra [00:28:20]: And as much as we're training an autoencoder to be sparse, we're not like for sure certain that, you know, we will get something that just correlates to hallucination. You'll probably split that up into 20 other things and who knows what they'll be.Mark Bissell [00:28:36]: Of course. Right. Yeah. So there's no sort of problems with like feature splitting and feature absorption. And then there's the off target effects, right? Ideally, you would want to be very precise where if you reduce the hallucination feature, suddenly maybe your model can't write. Creatively anymore. And maybe you don't like that, but you want to still stop it from hallucinating facts and figures.Shawn Wang [00:28:55]: Good. So Vibhu has a paper to recommend there that we'll put in the show notes. But yeah, I mean, I guess just because your demo is done, any any other things that you want to highlight or any other interesting features you want to show?Mark Bissell [00:29:07]: I don't think so. Yeah. Like I said, this is a pretty small snippet. I think the main sort of point here that I think is exciting is that there's not a whole lot of inter being applied to models quite at this scale. You know, Anthropic certainly has some some. Research and yeah, other other teams as well. But it's it's nice to see these techniques, you know, being put into practice. I think not that long ago, the idea of real time steering of a trillion parameter model would have sounded.Shawn Wang [00:29:33]: Yeah. The fact that it's real time, like you started the thing and then you edited the steering vector.Vibhu Sapra [00:29:38]: I think it's it's an interesting one TBD of what the actual like production use case would be on that, like the real time editing. It's like that's the fun part of the demo, right? You can kind of see how this could be served behind an API, right? Like, yes, you're you only have so many knobs and you can just tweak it a bit more. And I don't know how it plays in. Like people haven't done that much with like, how does this work with or without prompting? Right. How does this work with fine tuning? Like, there's a whole hype of continual learning, right? So there's just so much to see. Like, is this another parameter? Like, is it like parameter? We just kind of leave it as a default. We don't use it. So I don't know. Maybe someone here wants to put out a guide on like how to use this with prompting when to do what?Mark Bissell [00:30:18]: Oh, well, I have a paper recommendation. I think you would love from Act Deep on our team, who is an amazing researcher, just can't say enough amazing things about Act Deep. But he actually has a paper that as well as some others from the team and elsewhere that go into the essentially equivalence of activation steering and in context learning and how those are from a he thinks of everything in a cognitive neuroscience Bayesian framework, but basically how you can precisely show how. Prompting in context, learning and steering exhibit similar behaviors and even like get quantitative about the like magnitude of steering you would need to do to induce a certain amount of behavior similar to certain prompting, even for things like jailbreaks and stuff. It's a really cool paper. Are you saying steering is less powerful than prompting? More like you can almost write a formula that tells you how to convert between the two of them.Myra Deng [00:31:20]: And so like formally equivalent actually in the in the limit. Right.Mark Bissell [00:31:24]: So like one case study of this is for jailbreaks there. I don't know. Have you seen the stuff where you can do like many shot jailbreaking? You like flood the context with examples of the behavior. And the topic put out that paper.Shawn Wang [00:31:38]: A lot of people were like, yeah, we've been doing this, guys.Mark Bissell [00:31:40]: Like, yeah, what's in this in context learning and activation steering equivalence paper is you can like predict the number. Number of examples that you will need to put in there in order to jailbreak the model. That's cool. By doing steering experiments and using this sort of like equivalence mapping. That's cool. That's really cool. It's very neat. Yeah.Shawn Wang [00:32:02]: I was going to say, like, you know, I can like back rationalize that this makes sense because, you know, what context is, is basically just, you know, it updates the KV cache kind of and like and then every next token inference is still like, you know, the sheer sum of everything all the way. It's plus all the context. It's up to date. And you could, I guess, theoretically steer that with you probably replace that with your steering. The only problem is steering typically is on one layer, maybe three layers like like you did. So it's like not exactly equivalent.Mark Bissell [00:32:33]: Right, right. There's sort of you need to get precise about, yeah, like how you sort of define steering and like what how you're modeling the setup. But yeah, I've got the paper pulled up here. Belief dynamics reveal the dual nature. Yeah. The title is Belief Dynamics Reveal the Dual Nature of Incompetence. And it's an exhibition of the practical context learning and activation steering. So Eric Bigelow, Dan Urgraft on the who are doing fellowships at Goodfire, Ekt Deep's the final author there.Myra Deng [00:32:59]: I think actually to your question of like, what is the production use case of steering? I think maybe if you just think like one level beyond steering as it is today. Like imagine if you could adapt your model to be, you know, an expert legal reasoner. Like in almost real time, like very quickly. efficiently using human feedback or using like your semantic understanding of what the model knows and where it knows that behavior. I think that while it's not clear what the product is at the end of the day, it's clearly very valuable. Thinking about like what's the next interface for model customization and adaptation is a really interesting problem for us. Like we have heard a lot of people actually interested in fine-tuning an RL for open weight models in production. And so people are using things like Tinker or kind of like open source libraries to do that, but it's still very difficult to get models fine-tuned and RL'd for exactly what you want them to do unless you're an expert at model training. And so that's like something we'reShawn Wang [00:34:06]: looking into. Yeah. I never thought so. Tinker from Thinking Machines famously uses rank one LoRa. Is that basically the same as steering? Like, you know, what's the comparison there?Mark Bissell [00:34:19]: Well, so in that case, you are still applying updates to the parameters, right?Shawn Wang [00:34:25]: Yeah. You're not touching a base model. You're touching an adapter. It's kind of, yeah.Mark Bissell [00:34:30]: Right. But I guess it still is like more in parameter space then. I guess it's maybe like, are you modifying the pipes or are you modifying the water flowing through the pipes to get what you're after? Yeah. Just maybe one way.Mark Bissell [00:34:44]: I like that analogy. That's my mental map of it at least, but it gets at this idea of model design and intentional design, which is something that we're, that we're very focused on. And just the fact that like, I hope that we look back at how we're currently training models and post-training models and just think what a primitive way of doing that right now. Like there's no intentionalityShawn Wang [00:35:06]: really in... It's just data, right? The only thing in control is what data we feed in.Mark Bissell [00:35:11]: So, so Dan from Goodfire likes to use this analogy of, you know, he has a couple of young kids and he talks about like, what if I could only teach my kids how to be good people by giving them cookies or like, you know, giving them a slap on the wrist if they do something wrong, like not telling them why it was wrong or like what they should have done differently or something like that. Just figure it out. Right. Exactly. So that's RL. Yeah. Right. And, and, you know, it's sample inefficient. There's, you know, what do they say? It's like slurping feedback. It's like, slurping supervision. Right. And so you'd like to get to the point where you can have experts giving feedback to their models that are, uh, internalized and, and, you know, steering is an inference time way of sort of getting that idea. But ideally you're moving to a world whereVibhu Sapra [00:36:04]: it is much more intentional design in perpetuity for these models. Okay. This is one of the questions we asked Emmanuel from Anthropic on the podcast a few months ago. Basically the question, was you're at a research lab that does model training, foundation models, and you're on an interp team. How does it tie back? Right? Like, does this, do ideas come from the pre-training team? Do they go back? Um, you know, so for those interested, you can, you can watch that. There wasn't too much of a connect there, but it's still something, you know, it's something they want toMark Bissell [00:36:33]: push for down the line. It can be useful for all of the above. Like there are certainly post-hocVibhu Sapra [00:36:39]: use cases where it doesn't need to touch that. I think the other thing a lot of people forget is this stuff isn't too computationally expensive, right? Like I would say, if you're interested in getting into research, MechInterp is one of the most approachable fields, right? A lot of this train an essay, train a probe, this stuff, like the budget for this one, there's already a lot done. There's a lot of open source work. You guys have done some too. Um, you know,Shawn Wang [00:37:04]: There's like notebooks from the Gemini team for Neil Nanda or like, this is how you do it. Just step through the notebook.Vibhu Sapra [00:37:09]: Even if you're like, not even technical with any of this, you can still make like progress. There, you can look at different activations, but, uh, if you do want to get into training, you know, training this stuff, correct me if I'm wrong is like in the thousands of dollars, not even like, it's not that high scale. And then same with like, you know, applying it, doing it for post-training or all this stuff is fairly cheap in scale of, okay. I want to get into like model training. I don't have compute for like, you know, pre-training stuff. So it's, it's a very nice field to get into. And also there's a lot of like open questions, right? Um, some of them have to go with, okay, I want a product. I want to solve this. Like there's also just a lot of open-ended stuff that people could work on. That's interesting. Right. I don't know if you guys have any calls for like, what's open questions, what's open work that you either open collaboration with, or like, you'd just like to see solved or just, you know, for people listening that want to get into McInturk because people always talk about it. What are, what are the things they should check out? Start, of course, you know, join you guys as well. I'm sure you're hiring.Myra Deng [00:38:09]: There's a paper, I think from, was it Lee, uh, Sharky? It's open problems and, uh, it's, it's a bit of interpretability, which I recommend everyone who's interested in the field. Read. I'm just like a really comprehensive overview of what are the things that experts in the field think are the most important problems to be solved. I also think to your point, it's been really, really inspiring to see, I think a lot of young people getting interested in interpretability, actually not just young people also like scientists to have been, you know, experts in physics for many years and in biology or things like this, um, transitioning into interp, because the barrier of, of what's now interp. So it's really cool to see a number to entry is, you know, in some ways low and there's a lot of information out there and ways to get started. There's this anecdote of like professors at universities saying that all of a sudden every incoming PhD student wants to study interpretability, which was not the case a few years ago. So it just goes to show how, I guess, like exciting the field is, how fast it's moving, how quick it is to get started and things like that.Mark Bissell [00:39:10]: And also just a very welcoming community. You know, there's an open source McInturk Slack channel. There are people are always posting questions and just folks in the space are always responsive if you ask things on various forums and stuff. But yeah, the open paper, open problems paper is a really good one.Myra Deng [00:39:28]: For other people who want to get started, I think, you know, MATS is a great program. What's the acronym for? Machine Learning and Alignment Theory Scholars? It's like the...Vibhu Sapra [00:39:40]: Normally summer internship style.Myra Deng [00:39:42]: Yeah, but they've been doing it year round now. And actually a lot of our full-time staff have come through that program or gone through that program. And it's great for anyone who is transitioning into interpretability. There's a couple other fellows programs. We do one as well as Anthropic. And so those are great places to get started if anyone is interested.Mark Bissell [00:40:03]: Also, I think been seen as a research field for a very long time. But I think engineering... I think engineers are sorely wanted for interpretability as well, especially at Goodfire, but elsewhere, as it does scale up.Shawn Wang [00:40:18]: I should mention that Lee actually works with you guys, right? And in the London office and I'm adding our first ever McInturk track at AI Europe because I see this industry applications now emerging. And I'm pretty excited to, you know, help push that along. Yeah, I was looking forward to that. It'll effectively be the first industry McInturk conference. Yeah. I'm so glad you added that. You know, it's still a little bit of a bet. It's not that widespread, but I can definitely see this is the time to really get into it. We want to be early on things.Mark Bissell [00:40:51]: For sure. And I think the field understands this, right? So at ICML, I think the title of the McInturk workshop this year was actionable interpretability. And there was a lot of discussion around bringing it to various domains. Everyone's adding pragmatic, actionable, whatever.Shawn Wang [00:41:10]: It's like, okay, well, we weren't actionable before, I guess. I don't know.Vibhu Sapra [00:41:13]: And I mean, like, just, you know, being in Europe, you see the Interp room. One, like old school conferences, like, I think they had a very tiny room till they got lucky and they got it doubled. But there's definitely a lot of interest, a lot of niche research. So you see a lot of research coming out of universities, students. We covered the paper last week. It's like two unknown authors, not many citations. But, you know, you can make a lot of meaningful work there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.Shawn Wang [00:41:39]: Yeah. I think people haven't really mentioned this yet. It's just Interp for code. I think it's like an abnormally important field. We haven't mentioned this yet. The conspiracy theory last two years ago was when the first SAE work came out of Anthropic was they would do like, oh, we just used SAEs to turn the bad code vector down and then turn up the good code. And I think like, isn't that the dream? Like, you know, like, but basically, I guess maybe, why is it funny? Like, it's... If it was realistic, it would not be funny. It would be like, no, actually, we should do this. But it's funny because we know there's like, we feel there's some limitations to what steering can do. And I think a lot of the public image of steering is like the Gen Z stuff. Like, oh, you can make it really love the Golden Gate Bridge, or you can make it speak like Gen Z. To like be a legal reasoner seems like a huge stretch. Yeah. And I don't know if that will get there this way. Yeah.Myra Deng [00:42:36]: I think, um, I will say we are announcing. Something very soon that I will not speak too much about. Um, but I think, yeah, this is like what we've run into again and again is like, we, we don't want to be in the world where steering is only useful for like stylistic things. That's definitely not, not what we're aiming for. But I think the types of interventions that you need to do to get to things like legal reasoning, um, are much more sophisticated and require breakthroughs in, in learning algorithms. And that's, um...Shawn Wang [00:43:07]: And is this an emergent property of scale as well?Myra Deng [00:43:10]: I think so. Yeah. I mean, I think scale definitely helps. I think scale allows you to learn a lot of information and, and reduce noise across, you know, large amounts of data. But I also think we think that there's ways to do things much more effectively, um, even, even at scale. So like actually learning exactly what you want from the data and not learning things that you do that you don't want exhibited in the data. So we're not like anti-scale, but we are also realizing that scale is not going to get us anywhere. It's not going to get us to the type of AI development that we want to be at in, in the future as these models get more powerful and get deployed in all these sorts of like mission critical contexts. Current life cycle of training and deploying and evaluations is, is to us like deeply broken and has opportunities to, to improve. So, um, more to come on that very, very soon.Mark Bissell [00:44:02]: And I think that that's a use basically, or maybe just like a proof point that these concepts do exist. Like if you can manipulate them in the precise best way, you can get the ideal combination of them that you desire. And steering is maybe the most coarse grained sort of peek at what that looks like. But I think it's evocative of what you could do if you had total surgical control over every concept, every parameter. Yeah, exactly.Myra Deng [00:44:30]: There were like bad code features. I've got it pulled up.Vibhu Sapra [00:44:33]: Yeah. Just coincidentally, as you guys are talking.Shawn Wang [00:44:35]: This is like, this is exactly.Vibhu Sapra [00:44:38]: There's like specifically a code error feature that activates and they show, you know, it's not, it's not typo detection. It's like, it's, it's typos in code. It's not typical typos. And, you know, you can, you can see it clearly activates where there's something wrong in code. And they have like malicious code, code error. They have a whole bunch of sub, you know, sub broken down little grain features. Yeah.Shawn Wang [00:45:02]: Yeah. So, so the, the rough intuition for me, the, why I talked about post-training was that, well, you just, you know, have a few different rollouts with all these things turned off and on and whatever. And then, you know, you can, that's, that's synthetic data you can kind of post-train on. Yeah.Vibhu Sapra [00:45:13]: And I think we make it sound easier than it is just saying, you know, they do the real hard work.Myra Deng [00:45:19]: I mean, you guys, you guys have the right idea. Exactly. Yeah. We replicated a lot of these features in, in our Lama models as well. I remember there was like.Vibhu Sapra [00:45:26]: And I think a lot of this stuff is open, right? Like, yeah, you guys opened yours. DeepMind has opened a lot of essays on Gemma. Even Anthropic has opened a lot of this. There's, there's a lot of resources that, you know, we can probably share of people that want to get involved.Shawn Wang [00:45:41]: Yeah. And special shout out to like Neuronpedia as well. Yes. Like, yeah, amazing piece of work to visualize those things.Myra Deng [00:45:49]: Yeah, exactly.Shawn Wang [00:45:50]: I guess I wanted to pivot a little bit on, onto the healthcare side, because I think that's a big use case for you guys. We haven't really talked about it yet. This is a bit of a crossover for me because we are, we are, we do have a separate science pod that we're starting up for AI, for AI for science, just because like, it's such a huge investment category and also I'm like less qualified to do it, but we actually have bio PhDs to cover that, which is great, but I need to just kind of recover, recap your work, maybe on the evil two stuff, but then, and then building forward.Mark Bissell [00:46:17]: Yeah, for sure. And maybe to frame up the conversation, I think another kind of interesting just lens on interpretability in general is a lot of the techniques that were described. are ways to solve the AI human interface problem. And it's sort of like bidirectional communication is the goal there. So what we've been talking about with intentional design of models and, you know, steering, but also more advanced techniques is having humans impart our desires and control into models and over models. And the reverse is also very interesting, especially as you get to superhuman models, whether that's narrow superintelligence, like these scientific models that work on genomics, data, medical imaging, things like that. But down the line, you know, superintelligence of other forms as well. What knowledge can the AIs teach us as sort of that, that the other direction in that? And so some of our life science work to date has been getting at exactly that question, which is, well, some of it does look like debugging these various life sciences models, understanding if they're actually performing well, on tasks, or if they're picking up on spurious correlations, for instance, genomics models, you would like to know whether they are sort of focusing on the biologically relevant things that you care about, or if it's using some simpler correlate, like the ancestry of the person that it's looking at. But then also in the instances where they are superhuman, and maybe they are understanding elements of the human genome that we don't have names for or specific, you know, yeah, discoveries that they've made that that we don't know about, that's, that's a big goal. And so we're already seeing that, right, we are partnered with organizations like Mayo Clinic, leading research health system in the United States, our Institute, as well as a startup called Prima Menta, which focuses on neurodegenerative disease. And in our partnership with them, we've used foundation models, they've been training and applied our interpretability techniques to find novel biomarkers for Alzheimer's disease. So I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. But it's, that's like a flavor of some of the things that we're working on.Shawn Wang [00:48:36]: Yeah, I think that's really fantastic. Obviously, we did the Chad Zuckerberg pod last year as well. And like, there's a plethora of these models coming out, because there's so much potential and research. And it's like, very interesting how it's basically the same as language models, but just with a different underlying data set. But it's like, it's the same exact techniques. Like, there's no change, basically.Mark Bissell [00:48:59]: Yeah. Well, and even in like other domains, right? Like, you know, robotics, I know, like a lot of the companies just use Gemma as like the like backbone, and then they like make it into a VLA that like takes these actions. It's, it's, it's transformers all the way down. So yeah.Vibhu Sapra [00:49:15]: Like we have Med Gemma now, right? Like this week, even there was Med Gemma 1.5. And they're training it on this stuff, like 3d scans, medical domain knowledge, and all that stuff, too. So there's a push from both sides. But I think the thing that, you know, one of the things about McInturpp is like, you're a little bit more cautious in some domains, right? So healthcare, mainly being one, like guardrails, understanding, you know, we're more risk adverse to something going wrong there. So even just from a basic understanding, like, if we're trusting these systems to make claims, we want to know why and what's going on.Myra Deng [00:49:51]: Yeah, I think there's totally a kind of like deployment bottleneck to actually using. foundation models for real patient usage or things like that. Like, say you're using a model for rare disease prediction, you probably want some explanation as to why your model predicted a certain outcome, and an interpretable explanation at that. So that's definitely a use case. But I also think like, being able to extract scientific information that no human knows to accelerate drug discovery and disease treatment and things like that actually is a really, really big unlock for science, like scientific discovery. And you've seen a lot of startups, like say that they're going to accelerate scientific discovery. And I feel like we actually are doing that through our interp techniques. And kind of like, almost by accident, like, I think we got reached out to very, very early on from these healthcare institutions. And none of us had healthcare.Shawn Wang [00:50:49]: How did they even hear of you? A podcast.Myra Deng [00:50:51]: Oh, okay. Yeah, podcast.Vibhu Sapra [00:50:53]: Okay, well, now's that time, you know.Myra Deng [00:50:55]: Everyone can call us.Shawn Wang [00:50:56]: Podcasts are the most important thing. Everyone should listen to podcasts.Myra Deng [00:50:59]: Yeah, they reached out. They were like, you know, we have these really smart models that we've trained, and we want to know what they're doing. And we were like, really early that time, like three months old, and it was a few of us. And we were like, oh, my God, we've never used these models. Let's figure it out. But it's also like, great proof that interp techniques scale pretty well across domains. We didn't really have to learn too much about.Shawn Wang [00:51:21]: Interp is a machine learning technique, machine learning skills everywhere, right? Yeah. And it's obviously, it's just like a general insight. Yeah. Probably to finance too, I think, which would be fun for our history. I don't know if you have anything to say there.Mark Bissell [00:51:34]: Yeah, well, just across the science. Like, we've also done work on material science. Yeah, it really runs the gamut.Vibhu Sapra [00:51:40]: Yeah. Awesome. And, you know, for those that should reach out, like, you're obviously experts in this, but like, is there a call out for people that you're looking to partner with, design partners, people to use your stuff outside of just, you know, the general developer that wants to. Plug and play steering stuff, like on the research side more so, like, are there ideal design partners, customers, stuff like that?Myra Deng [00:52:03]: Yeah, I can talk about maybe non-life sciences, and then I'm curious to hear from you on the life sciences side. But we're looking for design partners across many domains, language, anyone who's customizing language models or trying to push the frontier of code or reasoning models is really interesting to us. And then also interested in the frontier of modeling. There's a lot of models that work in, like, pixel space, as we call it. So if you're doing world models, video models, even robotics, where there's not a very clean natural language interface to interact with, I think we think that Interp can really help and are looking for a few partners in that space.Shawn Wang [00:52:43]: Just because you mentioned the keyword

Starring Robin Williams and Sally Field, we take it WAY back with this....delightful, yet creepy family film. As children, we were on Robin Williams' side, Sally was a buzz kill. As adults and mother's, HE HAD FARM ANIMALS IN MY HOUSE FOR A PARTY I SAID WASN'T HAPPENING. To him, the divorce came out of nowhere. To her, this was the final straw on a heaping pile of straws. Let's not forget that those poor kids are gonna need a shit ton of therapy. Not because they saw their dad dressed like a woman- who hasn't- but because they formed a relationship with Mrs. Doubtfire just to learn she was fake. 

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Read OnlineThen he said to the Pharisees, “Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath rather than to do evil, to save life rather than to destroy it?” But they remained silent. Looking around at them with anger and grieved at their hardness of heart, Jesus said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out and his hand was restored. Mark 3:4–5How would you answer this question? “Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath rather than to do evil, to save life rather than to destroy it?” Objectively speaking, the answer is easy: “Yes!” But subjectively speaking, when we consider the person performing the good deed, it's easy to let our thoughts, feelings, and past experiences of that person affect our judgment. If we have a grievance toward someone—resulting in anger, jealousy, or envy—our answer might differ from the ideal, as it did with the Pharisees toward Jesus.Anger is a strong emotional reaction to perceived injustice or injury that, when disordered, can lead to resentment, bitterness, or a desire for vengeance. Jealousy is a fear of losing what we have to another and is rooted in insecurity or pride, leading to a protective but distorted attachment to our own status, relationships, or achievements. Envy is a sadness or sorrow over the blessings or successes of another, often accompanied by a refusal to celebrate their good fortune and a desire that they be deprived of it. These are ugly sins. Sins that filled Jesus' Sacred Heart with righteous anger and holy grief.In this Gospel passage, the Pharisees appear to suffer from all three sins. Their anger is evident in their hostile reaction to Jesus' words and actions, as they see Him as a threat to their authority and influence. Their jealousy manifests in their fear of losing their power and status among the people to Jesus, whose teachings and miracles overshadow their own ministry. Their envy becomes apparent in their inability to rejoice in the man's healing, resenting instead Jesus' authority and the attention he attracts. These sins harden their hearts, blinding them to God's mercy and love that Jesus embodies, and lead them down a path of malice and conspiracy.When we consider the Pharisees' negative and sinful reactions, it's easy to condemn them, thinking we would never react that way. Yet, before we jump to that conclusion, it's important to examine all the relationships and encounters we have with others.Jesus embodies every virtue and spiritual gift—mercy and justice, compassion and strength, diligence and docility, humility and majesty, patience and zeal, wisdom and prudence, faith and fortitude, hope and charity. For which of these did the Pharisees manifest their anger, jealousy, and envy? It's impossible to answer that question because these sins are always rooted in irrationality. The same is true in our lives.Considering the people we encounter on a regular basis, it's important to examine whether we struggle with anger, jealousy, or envy. This is often difficult to do because these sins blind us to the truth. When we are angry, we irrationally blame others as the cause of our anger. When jealous, our insecurity leads us to justify our reaction and condemn the one whom we feel is a threat. When envious, our self-concern distorts our ability to see the good in another, preventing us from rejoicing in their success or goodness.Jesus came to set us free from these heavy burdens. The Pharisees were not happy because these sins dominated their lives. Similarly, we will never find the peace, joy, and happiness we desire until we turn anger into love and forgiveness, jealousy into gratitude, and envy into admiration and rejoicing in the blessings of others. Reflect today on those people you encounter on a regular basis. Where these sins enter into those relationships, accept responsibility for them, confess them, and pray for virtue to replace them. Our Lord wants us to rejoice with Him, participate in His glorious virtues and spiritual gifts, and receive the overflowing rewards that they bestow. Most virtuous and gifted Lord, You embody all that is good, all that is holy, and all that flows from Your divine Godhead. When I act more like the Pharisees than like You, open my eyes to the sins of anger, jealousy, and envy. Free me from these heavy burdens by revealing to me the humble truth and filling me with the virtues and gifts You long to bestow. Jesus, I trust in You.Image: Ilyas Basim Khuri Bazzi Rahib, Public domain, via Wikimedia CommonsSource of content: catholic-daily-reflections.comCopyright © 2026 My Catholic Life! Inc. All rights reserved. Used with permission via RSS feed.

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Kicking off 2026 with fresh energy, strategic focus, and real results!  If you're tired of 2025's energy (or sugar overload), feeling fired up or easing yourself in and want to actually MOVE the needle in your business, your first 90 days of 2026 can pave the way for your best year in business yet. Rather than letting last year's challenges linger, now is the moment to reassess, refocus, and apply some simple, strategic changes that will actually move your business forward. Here's the four-step crash course, straight from this week's episode: 1. Assess What Worked (and What Didn't) in 2025 Pause before diving headfirst into new strategies. Objectively look back at the activities that generated results for you last year—and just as importantly, the ones that didn't. No self-criticism, just honest reflection. If you need help being objective check out the podcast episode "Sales planning season is here" to help you map out and analyse your sales activities without falling into the self-doubt trap. Link to podcast is in the key resources section. 2. Let Go of Wasted Time and Ineffective Activities It's not just about what didn't work, but also those things that sapped your energy without any ROI. Sometimes, we continue with activities simply out of habit or uncertainty. If something isn't bringing you leads, revenue, or joy, give yourself permission to stop for at least 90 days. There are plenty of ways to generate leads; don't get stuck on the "shiny object" that isn't serving your goals. 3. Supercharge Your Lead Generation The secret sauce for a breakthrough year is consistent, high-quality lead generation—with corporates, not just anyone. Jess explains why Q1 is especially crucial: Many decision makers change jobs in January, so old contacts may have moved on. Relying on last year's leads can leave you stuck if you realise too late that your pipeline has dried up. Most people pause for major holidays and during the summer, making now the ideal time to load your pipeline for the calendar year. Choose a lead generation method that fits your strengths and priorities, become proficient at it, and above all, be consistent. 4. Hone Your Sales Call Skills After all, leads only become revenue if you can handle the sales conversation. Jess stresses the need to build "muscle memory" for running effective, structured sales calls. Many salespeople—both new and experienced—fail here by not preparing well enough or treating every call as just another friendly chat instead of a targeted conversation. Mastering calls in Q1 not only boosts your conversions but sets up a pattern of confidence and competence for the rest of the year. Practical Takeaways Audit last year's efforts with compassion and objectivity. Cut out energy-draining activities—even if "everyone" else is doing them. Get serious about proactive lead generation NOW. Sharpen your sales call skills so you don't lose out on hard-won opportunities. Key Quotes; Maximising Your First 90 Days 00:16:2700:16:50 "It's really, really important that when you think about making the most of your first 90 days of 2026, you look at, well, what actually prod result it was supposed to last year and how can I make that better rather than how can I just overhaul my complete sales process because it actually might not need it." The Lead Generation Mistake Most Entrepreneurs Make 00:25:3800:26:08 "If you are looking to improve your lead generation this year and you fancy me taking some of the load off of you, then definitely check out expertservicesdirectory.com. Enter the code PODCAST at the checkout, you get a special free gift. But if you're thinking, actually, no, Jess, I want to do it myself, that is also fine. But I would encourage you to find a way to do it. This quarter of the year is one of the most important for lead generation." Mastering Sales Calls for Higher Conversions 00:40:0200:40:15 "You need to develop that skill structure and muscle memory for building out brilliant sales calls this year and doing that in the first quarter of the year, like I say, will give you the right foundations to take it forward." Why Motivation Alone Isn't Enough for Sales Success 00:10:0500:10:37  "Whilst that energy is good and that commitment to doing something new and having a positive attitude is brilliant and helpful, if it's not backed up with the strategic activity that you need to do, it's really, really quick for you to get disheartened and it's really, really easy to stop feeling so motivated and start looking at the harsh reality of why am I not getting the results that I want."   Key Resources Mentioned in this Episode:   Cold & Sold Bundle: Secure your spot at Converting Corporates 2026, get a year's inbound leads, plus access to the popular Cold to Closed course (8 sales calls in 4 weeks, anyone?) .https://smartleaderssell.thrivecart.com/cold-and-sold-bundle/   Episode sponsored by The Expert Services Directory: A key resource for coaches / consultants / trainers and done-for-you service providers to generate inbound leads. Access The Expert Services Directory here https://bit.ly/ExpertServicesDirectory and use code PODCAST for a special bonus. If you've enjoyed listening to 4 focus areas to smash your sales goals in the first 90 days of 2026 check out this episode.   Sales planning season is here... what do you need to consider? https://bit.ly/SellingToCorporate139   If you would like to sign up for our weekly newsletter to stay in touch with the latest B2B sales tips and techniques click https://sellingtocorporate.com/newsletter/   Content Disclaimer The information contained above is provided for information purposes only. The contents of this article, video or audio are not intended to amount to advice and you should not rely on any of the contents of this article, video or audio. Professional advice should be obtained before taking or refraining from taking any action as a result of the contents of this article, video or audio. 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The College Football Playoffs have officially arrived… and let's just say they half-delivered entertainment and half-delivered disappointment — which was right on point. After the first round, Josh officially plants his flag and declares that Group of 5 teams simply do NOT belong in the CFP (sorry, little guys). Miami vs. Texas A&M was an absolute rock fight that only sickos could love — although, if you were rooting for both teams to lose, that scoreless first half was chef's kiss. Alabama vs. Oklahoma, however, kicked things off the right way and reminded everyone what playoff football is supposed to look like.With the warm-up round in the books, the boys dive headfirst into the next slate of College Football Playoff games, breaking down matchups, giving head-to-head picks, and sprinkling in a certified JMO Special. Buckle up — the real games are here, and now that the Group of 5 bedtime stories are over, things are about to get serious.Then comes the part you probably didn't see coming…Objectively speaking (which means you can't quote us on this), the New Orleans Saints are the best team in the NFC South — and honestly, one of the hottest teams in the NFC right now. Yes, we said it. THE NEW ORLEANS SAINTS. Tyler Shough has the boys officially SHOOK (pun very much intended), and suddenly the Saints are back on the high horse, staring down the Super Bowl path once again. Are they one step away? Maybe one big step. But optimism is officially back in the building.The NFL slate delivered absolute madness this week — mind blowing multi two-point conversion game, a successful onside kick comeback, and even some punches thrown (no, not Jake Paul; DK Metcalf, we're looking directly at you). Between the playoff implications, wild finishes, and bold takes, this episode has everything.0:00 intro/cfb playoff recap23:00 cfb playoff picks35:55 NFL Recap1:10:55 NFL Picks

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Show Highlights: Do 70–90% of M&A deals fail to deliver or destroy value? [01:36] The origin of the M&A value destruction stat. [04:53] Historical context and contemporary relevance of stats. [07:44] The sample and methodology of the 1999 KPMG study. [08:36] The late-1990s macroeconomic context of the U.S. [11:29] Asian and Russian economic volatility during the study. [14:37] Do the late-90s economic cycles shape M&A in ag today? [18:36] Three reasons for skepticism of the stat's applicability. [23:09] Objectively rethink widely accepted M&A success beliefs. [28:40] "Unlocking Shareholder Value: The Keys to Success" (KPMG, 1999): https://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/eqnotes/KPMGM%26A.pdf If you are interested in connecting with Joe, go to LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joemosher/, or schedule a call at www.moshercg.com.

Hour 1 1:12 - Where Do the Commanders Go From Here? 11:46 - Kurt Warner Calls It Like He Sees It — And Lynnell Agrees 26:53 - Breaking Down Kurt Warner's Breakdown 36:29 - Should Commanders Sit Jayden When He Is Medically Cleared to Return?

Jesus proceeds to Jerusalem, where he will be condemned to death. He is forthright in doing his part to save us. Each of us needs to contribute our share to the process of salvation. Objectively, Jesus has already saved us, but we still need to go along with it personally. He cannot save those who are unwilling to be saved.

Today's live shows you how to measure recovery in a way that actually drives healing. We ditch the “how it feels today” yardstick and replace it with objective markers: technique you can repeat, aggravation-free training, and real-world load targets (e.g., why sitting can add ~20–40% more load vs standing and how to use that fact to set early milestones). We also clear up common traps: microdiscectomy “failed” vs what surgery actually does, test-vs-rehab (don't practise rounding), decompression & inversion tables as relief (not strength), and the mind–body conversation—use proof (better reps, better loads) to shrink fear.Start here → https://backinshapeprogram.com/start/Highlights:

Today we try to cover what are the objective best Marvel Legends of all time. It doesn't go well. Jordan claims he's going to start is own show. Good luck with that bud.

Celebrating 300 episodes with a game-changing update! If you've been chasing 10,000 steps or wondering why your walking routine isn't delivering the results you hoped for, this episode will change everything. What you'll discover: Why 7,000 steps might be your new sweet spot (and the research that proves it) The 15-minute walking tweak that reduces mortality risk by 20% Why being an "active couch potato" undermines all your hard work The truth about interval walking and how to do it right The missing movement ingredient that walking alone can't provide—and why your future self desperately needs it After 5+ years and 300 episodes of deep-diving into the research, Carolyn is updating her recommendations based on the latest science. This isn't about doing more—it's about being strategic with your movement to build real, lasting health. LET'S TALK THE WALK! Join here for support, motivation and fun! Wellness While Walking Facebook page Walking to Wellness Together Facebook GROUP Wellness While Walking on Instagram Wellness While Walking on Threads Wellness While Walking on Twitter Wellness While Walking website for show notes and other information wellnesswhilewalking@gmail.com   RESOURCES AND SOURCES (some links may be affiliate links) RECOMMENDED WALKING PROTOCOLS UPDATED! Email wellnesswhilewalking@gmail.com for Carolyn's Interval Walking guide Past Wellness While Walking Episodes Mentioned 10,000 Steps: Myth or Mandate? The Benefits of 3,000 or 4,000 Steps Regarding Our Forward-Facing Lives GUIDED Interval Walking Walk (Includes “Brisk” Definition) Add This to Your Walk for Brain Health GUIDED Interval Walk PLUS Cognitive Challenge Research Studies and Secondary Articles Daily steps and health outcomes in adults: a systematic review and dose-response meta-analysis, thelancet.com Objectively measured daily steps and health outcomes, bmjopen.bmj.com How Many Steps a Day to Reduce CVD and CV Death? Physical activity across midlife and health-related quality of life in Australian women plos.org   HOW TO RATE AND REVIEW WELLNESS WHILE WALKING How to Leave a Review on Apple Podcasts on Your iOS Device 1.   Open Apple Podcast App (purple app icon that says Podcasts). 2.   Go to the icons at the bottom of the screen and choose “search” 3.   Search for “Wellness While Walking” 4.   Click on the SHOW, not the episode. 5.   Scroll all the way down to “Ratings and Reviews” section 6.   Click on “Write a Review” (if you don't see that option, click on “See All” first) 7.   Then you will be able to rate the show on a five-star scale (5 is highest rating) and write a review! 8.   Thank you! I so appreciate this!   How to Leave a Review on Apple Podcasts on a Computer  1.   Visit Wellness While Walking page on Apple Podcasts in your web browser (search for Apple Podcasts or click here)  https://www.apple.com/apple-podcasts/ 2.   Click on “Listen on Apple Podcasts” or “Open the App” 3.   This will open Apple Podcasts and put in search bar at top left “Wellness While Walking” 4.   This should bring you to the show, not a particular episode – click on the show's artwork 5.   Scroll down until you see “Rating and Reviews” 6.   Click on “See All” all the way to the right, near the Ratings and Review Section and its bar chart 7.   To leave a written review, please click on “Write a Review” 8.   You'll be able to leave a review, along with a title for it, plus you'll be able to rate the show on the 5-star scale (with 5 being the highest rating) 9.   Thank you so very much!!   HOW TO SHARE WELLNESS WHILE WALKING Tell a friend or family member about Wellness While Walking, maybe while you're walking together or lamenting not feeling 100% Follow up with a quick text with more info, as noted below! (My favorite is pod.link/walking because it works with all the apps!) Screenshot a favorite episode playing on your phone and share to social media or to a friend via text or email! Wellness While Walking on Apple – click the up arrow to share with a friend via text or email, or share to social media Wellness While Walking on Spotify -- click the up arrow to share with a friend via text or email, or share to social media Use this universal link for any podcast app: pod.link/walking – give it to friends or share on social media Tell your pal about the Wellness While Walking website Thanks for listening and now for sharing! : )       DISCLAIMER Neither I nor many of my podcast guests are doctors or healthcare professionals of any kind, and nothing on this podcast or associated content should be considered medical advice. The information provided by Wellness While Walking Podcast and associated material, by Whole Life Workshop and by Bermuda Road Wellness LLC is for informational and entertainment purposes only. It is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health care provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment, and before undertaking a new health care regimen, including walking.     Thanks for listening to Wellness While Walking, a walking podcast and a "best podcast for walking"!

Filling all things… Journey to Reality Chapter Five: Sacramental Thinking St John 14: 1-7.  Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. St. Basil the Great (On the Holy Spirit).  We understand the “way” to be the road to perfection, advancing in order step by step through the words of righteousness and the illumination of knowledge, always yearning for that which lies ahead and straining toward the last mile, until we reach that blessed end, the knowledge of God, with which the Lord blesses those who believe in him. For truly our Lord is a good way, a straight road with no confusing forks or turns, leading us directly to the Father. For “no one comes to the Father,” he says, “except through me.” Such is our way up to God through his Son. ON THE HOLY SPIRIT 8.18.  “Modern, westernized people tend to think about the world from the starting point of physicality.  The physical world, as we would say, is the primary reality… It is the objective, measurable world on which we can all agree.”  Page 50 of 142. The assumption of materialists is that if a thing cannot be measured, then it is unprovable, a matter of opinion, AND of lesser importance. The natural world is everyone's baseline.  Religious or spiritual people have an added category, that of the “supernatural,” but as long as we operate in the material paradigm, these are the things that BY DEFINITION cannot be measured and are thus kind of optional.  Belief then becomes a way to stand up and assert that there are some things that are important that cannot be measured directly.  “I believe…” is our assertion that there is a supernatural reality and that it is well-ordered and that there are supernatural outcomes that should matter to us: ·      Forgiveness of sins ·      Sacramental marriage (vs. an agreement or contract) ·      Eternal life When we talk about religion, it is often in materialist terms. ·      What good is it (for health, family, society)? ·      What does it cost in terms of time and money? ·      Does its system make sense?  E.g. Juridical vs. Therapeutic vs. Holistic Healing But this worldview can only take us so far.  It “misses the mark” when it comes to understanding the world and how it works. An irony:  the materialist world may allow us to see things objectively, but not truly.  I am playing with words here, but it points to the difficulty. Objectivity refers to the quality of being unbiased and fair, making decisions based solely on facts rather than personal feelings or beliefs. It is often considered essential in fields like science and journalism to ensure accurate and impartial reporting or analysis. Objects have attributes that can be measured.  As a social scientist, I was taught that we have a poor understanding of something if we cannot put a number to it and that if we took enough measurements, we could explain everything.  Omniscience – or godhood – then is a matter of having enough data and the computing power to run the numbers.  Omnipotence involves the ability to manipulate everything towards a desired outcome.  This is no longer just the stuff of science fiction.  This is another one of those areas where claims are being made for technology that should not be made.  We can rightly question double-predestination, but what will keep us from doing the same thing as we grow in material understanding and power? A step in the right direction is to recognize that there is a moral dimension to the world.  But the problem is that it cannot be measured.  Outcomes can be measured, but their values can only be asserted.  This is why both secular philosophers like Nichze and religious ones like C.S. Lewis and Fr. Seraphim Rose claim that this kind of worldview leads to nihilism and the assertion of will.  Religious and spiritual people who believe in the supernatural will then say that God (or spirit, or Arche) is the solution to this problem.  Again, this gets us heading in a good direction, but it usually keeps within the materialist worldview.  Again, which system makes sense, agrees with what I prefer, has the best agape meal, and so on. But it really is strange to come at God in this manner.  All we are doing is taking the “God of the Gaps” concept and applying to morality and value.  This is like looking at the world through a two-dimensional, black and white filter. We can do better.  Let's see how our ancestors did it. They did not see the natural and supernatural as separate.  It was just “the world.” Some things were visible and some things were invisible.  Just as we cannot see radiation, atoms, and gravity know them to be part of reality, so it was with our ancestors for the invisible things.  “This idea that the physical and the spiritual are not seperable has a few important implications.  If we say that the physical and the spiritual have to go together, then what we're really saying is that there is a spiritual quality to everything physical, and a physical quality to everything spiritual.  This means, among other things, that physical objects and actions can have intrinsic meaning.” (Page 53 of 142) The example of two bisecting lines.  A Cross.  There is a story behind it, and that gives it subjective meaning, but there is more to it.  The things that are described in that story create meaning.  The cross is part of something primal and real it has “cosmic significance” (ibid).  And this is true regardless of whether people recognize it as such (example of vampires). Another way of describing this older view is as “enchanted” (vs. disenchanted).  Another way is that we are part of a grand story.  Stories are excellent at conveying meaning.  This is why some stories are said to be true even though they are fiction.  This is complete nonsense to the materialist mind. What about objectivity?  Isn't this view biased?  Isn't it subjective? It certainly is biased.  But it is only subjective because our perception of the world is incomplete and often wrong, and we really do assert our wills to create and share meaning.  We have to go beyond thinking about things primarily as either objective – meaning things that can be measured, or subjective – meaning things that cannot.  A refresher on objective vs. subjective: Pizza. ·      Objectively, it has bread, sauce, and topics of a certain type and consistency and spices that affect the olfactory system in certain measurable ways.  This is seen as what the pizza IS. ·      Subjectively, we prefer certain kinds of bread, sauce, topics, and spices.  This is our opinion about the pizza.  ·      We can argue about what belongs on a pizza or how it should be prepared, but it's easy to come to an agreement on what the pizza actually is.  The problem with this kind of a dichotomy is that it turns value and meaning into a matter of opinion and not only does that lead to disaster – it doesn't describe the way the world really is. Why disaster? Disagreeing about pizza can lead to arguments and bringing home a pizza one person sees as valuable and another doesn't may lead to temper tantrums; but what if the thing being described is something like human life or someone else's freedom?  Why is it wrong? Because everything has intrinsic value.  And this is because it has being through it's connection to the source of value – the Arche.' Personal Knowledge Another step in getting us to where we need to go is to look at knowledge that is gained personally, from the inside.  But even in relationships, we miss the mark.  Vices and virtues affect how well we can know things and people.  An angry person is going to notice – and even create – things in people and their behaviors that stoke their anger.  Humility allows the person to be open to the truth.  Vice clouds our vision. “The practice of virtue is, therefore, an essential element in seeking knowledge and the ultimate truth of things.  Why?  Because reality is participatory.  Or, to put it more simply, if you're a bad person, you're also going to be a bad friend.  If you're jealous, resentful, petty, or arrogant, your going to have a hard time building a relationship with anyone to the extent that those impulses control your life.  To have better relationships, you have to be a better person.  And if Truth itself is a Person, you're only going to be able to know Truth to the extent that you're able to have a relationship with Him.” (Page 61 of 142) In summary: the physical and spiritual world are inseparable.  This gives everything meaning.  We learn that meaning through participation; this involves both intellectual and moral growth.  How can this work?  Tune in next week! Some questions:  ·      How is personal knowledge more than just data? ·      How do we keep from pretending our subjective opinions are illumined? ·      How does anyone know how clean their mirror is or how true their sight is?                    

Dr. Shanté Cofield, better known as The Movement Maestro, unpack what it really takes to build a business and life that actually feels good. From letting go of roles that no longer serve you to embracing lifestyle design over burnout, she shares the truth about why authenticity is the only sustainable strategy. Whether you're navigating a career shift, battling imposter syndrome, or tired of trying to be someone you're not, this episode will remind you that being yourself isn't just allowed—it's necessary.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How the shift from PT to brand-builder was built on small steps.Why creating a lifestyle business is really about time and balance.How authenticity makes your work sustainable without constant struggle.Why confidence shows up only after you do the thing scared.How borrowing belief from mentors can carry you through doubt.Episode References/Links:The Movement Maestro - http://www.themovementmaestro.comDr. Shanté Cofield on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/themovementmaestroDr. Shanté Cofield on Threads - https://www.threads.com/@themovementmaestroJill Coleman Website - https://jillfit.comEp. 385 Danny-J Johnson & Jill Coleman - https://beitpod.com/ep385RockTape - https://www.rocktape.comGuest Bio:Dr. Shanté Cofield, widely known as The Movement Maestro, is a former physical therapist turned entrepreneur who has built a thriving career helping health and fitness professionals take their work online. She is the creator and host of Maestro on the Mic, a podcast with more than one million downloads, and the founder of The Movement Maestro LLC, a company dedicated to showing coaches and clinicians how to build authentic personal brands. Based in Southern California, Shanté is recognized for her vibrant teaching style, love of community, and unapologetic approach to living life on her own terms.With a background that blends over a decade in movement science and several years in online business strategy, she equips entrepreneurs to grow without losing sight of the lifestyle they want to create. Her work emphasizes sustainability over hustle, encouraging clients to pursue balance, authenticity, and freedom in their careers. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe, get ready. This, this the word this comes up in this podcast so many times as a like, like, double tap, as a thumbs up, as like, high five as, I mean, if I could have done this in person, we would have been like, just high fiving each other the whole time. I am obsessed with this person, Shanté Cofield, the movement maestro, is our guest today, and someone who has impressed me from the moment I was introduced to her in so many freaking ways. And what I love is like I got to watch her on the outside looking in, and then I got to know her on the inside and still, just like we don't live in the same place. So just like watching from afar, and like being an Instagram friend, hopefully real life friend from afar, but then getting to talk to Shanté today and hear the journey that they've been on, the journey that they're still on, the way they make decisions. I'm so excited for you, because no matter if you run your own business, you work for someone, you are a human being, and you are going to hear so many things that it's going to help you be you, be more you. So much permission is going to be granted. And I hope this is an episode that you save and hit on replay, because I know I am, I know I can't even wait to listen to this again. And also, I hope that this allows you, if you don't know who Shanté is, I hope this helps you find them, follow them and and get more from them, because they will they have so much to teach. They're just inherent teachers. So Shanté Cofield, thank you so much in advance. You guys, here is the Be It Pod with Shanté Cofield, enjoy. Lesley Logan 2:23  All right, Be It babe. Get ready. This is gonna be amazing. I know that currently, Brad has no idea who I'm talking to, otherwise he'd be in this room. He'd be so jealous. He loves this person so much. So, Shanté Cofield, The Movement Maestro, here you are, finally.Shanté Cofield 2:39  Here I am. Thank you for having me on. Lesley Logan 2:40  Oh my god. Shanté Cofield 2:42  I'm excited. I'm actually legitimately excited to be on this positive podcast. I'm like, yeah, let's fucking do it. The energy. Lesley Logan 2:47  This is gonna be great. So here's the thing you guys, I met Shanté through Jill Coleman, who's been on the pod before. And one of the things that you might not well, you know this about yourself because it's what you teach people on but like, I see a recycling truck and I think of you.Shanté Cofield 3:01  As in knowable. And thank you for knowing it's a recycling truck, not the garbage truck. I don't like the garbage truck, it's a recycling truck.Lesley Logan 3:08  And so and then, you know, I was reading I was reading through your form and everything, and I was like, oh, she does have a bright green jeep. That's right, she does. So Shanté, if in case people don't know who you are, can you tell them who you are and what you rock at?Shanté Cofield 3:20  Yes, absolutely. Again, thank you for having me on and you, listening, thank you for being here. I, Shanté Cofield, I think more colloquially or now more commonly known as Maestro. I'm a physical therapist by trade, an entrepreneur by choice, and now I spend my days in Southern California, but try and make the monies I do online business coaching. So like Lesley had said, Jill Coleman is my business partner for one of the projects that we group coaching program that run together, but I help health and fitness pros run, build, grow, profitable. It's an important word there online personal brands. That is my niche, that is my zone of genius, largely using Instagram as their initial kind of top of funnel. Lesley Logan 4:00  Yeah. I mean, I think it's, I love that you had, like, by trade, and then by choice. I think a lot of people get stuck on the by trade, and they kind of don't choose.Shanté Cofield 4:09  Yeah, I'm like, go and do other things.Lesley Logan 4:12  How long ago did you do that, though? And, like, was it the scariest thing? Shanté Cofield 4:16  Totally. So I graduated from PT school in 2010 I did it for eight years, and during that time, kind of on the back end of that, I started working for a company called Rock Tape. So if any of you have seen any colorful tape that the athletes wear, Carrie Walsh really put, like kinesiology tape on the map. I started working for one of those companies, and I was a lead instructor, and I that's when I really found that I love teaching, and I literally traveled the world teaching for them. So, you know, growing up, I wanted to have a job that I could go on planes and I could stay in hotels. Why? I don't know. I don't know why I wanted that, but I did. And then I became a physical therapist, and I was like, well, that's not gonna really allow for that. And then I got that job, and I found myself traveling and teaching across the world, and I concurrently was building my personal brand. Kind of inadvertently building it, not even kind of, 100% inadvertently building a personal brand, as the Movement Maestro on Instagram, because I was like, I have stuff to say, and this is fun, and I'll connect with people. So I did. I practiced for eight years, and just towards the end of it, I was practicing less, and I was teaching more, very much, knowing that I would step back from from treating because I didn't really love it, but it's safe and it's a great first career, but you can't really, in my opinion, teach just from theory, like you have to be practicing still. And I was like, I don't even enjoy this. I don't really want to be doing this anymore. And so the pivot came in 2020 so I was doing things behind the scenes, kind of the online business stuff behind the scenes. I met Jill in 2019 and we linked up. But 2020, I was like, I am done with PT stuff. I'm done talking about it, coaching it, teaching it, working in that field. And then Covid was like, Okay, here you go. And the pivot was actually very easy, because I couldn't travel anymore. I (inaudible) online, and I just brought all of the kind of coaching business stuff that people have been asking me for, just about that front facing. Then stopped with the, the PT stuff. Lesley Logan 6:04  It's funny. Like, I think, you know, obviously 2020, was terrible for so many reasons, and, and also, like, you can't have bad without good. Like, that's a balance. And so, like, if you take advantage of of the the opportunity that it was there, which is like, oh, I can't like the the playground has said that this is the box. And if I, so, how can I be creative in that box? And we also met Jill in 2019 and then, because of a 30-minute talk she did, we like, did her notes, and then I like DM-ed her like, two months, and I was like, just so you know, thanks for what you did in someone else's thing. We did it, and we made $20,000. She's like, who are you? You know, but like, because of how things change, it really did a lend itself for people who wanted to make a big pivot. And I love that you took advantage of that. Shanté Cofield 6:54  100%. Lesley Logan 6:55  I think, like, people who hear that, though, when people work online, they think, oh, my God, you get to work for yourself. It's like the dream life. We're just all printing money. It's like the coffee shop, you guys. Shanté Cofield 7:05  Yes, printing money.Lesley Logan 7:08  You know, I think it's also easy for people to make a switch and then overwork themselves on something that I am so attracted to about you is that you don't do that. Shanté Cofield 7:16  No, I am 100% of the lifestyle business mindset. And mind you, lifestyle business doesn't mean like being a pauper. It's just like, what's the lifestyle that you want? And if you want some extravagant, you know, lifestyle, then you're gonna have to work and earn, you know, commensurate with that. But for me, it is the reason I do what I do and make any money, is so that I can live in the way that I want, you know, and I want to have a lot of time to do the stuff I want to do on a play guitar. I go to the beach a ton. Jill and I are really good balance in that way, because Jill loves the work. She loves it. She loves being in it. She loves the strategy. And I'm like, I'm going to go to the beach now. I'm going to go and play volleyball. I'm going to go downstairs and lift. I have a gym that we put in in the house. So it's like, yes, I have to make enough money that allows for that lifestyle, but the reason that I do things in my first choice will always be, I'm going to go out and live and do the fun activities or stay home and do the activities, as opposed to being like, work, work, work.Lesley Logan 8:12  So is that easy for you? Like, is that how you've always been? Like is it hard for people around you?Shanté Cofield 8:18  I think that it is, there's a definitely, I love you asked this question because I think it's super important when we're listening to people speak, and we're looking to take lessons from them and advice from them that we also realize where they are in life, like I'm 40, right? So it's not that if I would not be saying this if I was 20, right? So when I was 20, I was in I was in college, and then I immediately after that, I was in grad school, and then I was living in New York City, working a lot like, still very much, being like, I want this. I want to be able to do things on my own time. But knew that I couldn't. I was like, I have to work and I'm have no money, and I live in New York City. But that was definitely always the goal, whether I realized it or not, was this time, flexibility and being in control of my own time. So it is easy for me to do that now, and it's all that I want to do now, and I can actually afford to do that. And I'm able to do that because I'm not 20 I'm not 25 like I do think that there is a time in life when, like, you grind, right? The analogy I like to use is surfing, right? If I don't, first of all, I live by the ocean. I don't go in the water, but I understand it, right? Lesley Logan 9:22  I love you so much because I love the ocean. But I don't go usually I'm like, I don't like anything touching me that I can't see. Shanté Cofield 9:30  I could. I will look at it. I don't need to be up in the ocean. But I watch all the surfers there, and it's like, if you want to ride the wave, if you want to coast, you have to paddle out. You don't just end up out there on the wave and like, oh, look at me. Like, you have to, first of all, I don't watch people surfing like, this is like, so much work, and they're not going, like, under the waves, and that things are hitting them and the board is going backwards. There's a lot of work that gets put up, that gets done, gets front loaded, and then you're like, all right, cool. I can ride this wave and sit here. I can pick which wave I ride, but that's after all the work comes. So no, no, it's not a hard thing for me to decide to do now or live into now. But also, like, I'm 40, I'm not 25.Lesley Logan 10:10  I actually, that's so funny. You know, you have the idea people think that, like, people are served are just like, easy going, like they're just like, actually, like, they're the most organized, hard working folks I've ever met, because they're like, they know when the waves are going to be great. They work there. They schedule everything around that. They work really hard. Like, I went to a yoga teacher who was like, so zen, so chill. He taught at 5 am then he was out riding the waves, and he taught again at 9 am he would like.Shanté Cofield 10:37  This, absolutely, absolutely.Lesley Logan 10:40  But I want to see them, like, hanging loose, or what a hanging 10, and they're like, oh, but they have they're chill. It's like, actually. So that's such a beautiful analogy. I think it's really fun. I always tell people like, when I'm doing interviews, like, why I'm 42 because I think, like, you do have to say, like, it. I can say this and I can work my schedule really does my work schedule really is only nine to four, because when I was 30, this was six to seven.Shanté Cofield 11:06  (inaudible) like, I need you to understand that folks that like that is how it works. Like, in general, I love that you typed into that with with surfers. And one thing I think about with that is that form allows for flow right where, like, yeah, he has a schedule and he has, like, this times, and like, yes, we are dictated by, like, what weather is doing, right? And that allows for me to be able to, like, go with the flow, because I had these things, whether that's like in a time, like a looking across a timeline that I did these things first, or I'm looking at within my day, and it's like, okay, I structured this, this and this, so that I can just be chill, going with the flow, if you will, during these other times. Absolutely. Lesley Logan 11:41  Yeah, but is it? Is it easy for the people around you? Because I know, like, I like, I have learned this is when I'm creative. This is when I can actually do the best coaching. If I miss this opportunity, we're not even posting because it doesn't, it's not even gonna work for me. Like, I just, you know, I love about and, like, there are other people like, oh, you're like, like, I feel like you're you're so cold. Like, I'm not cold. 6am to 9am is my time. You cannot be in my time.Shanté Cofield 12:04  No, no one has had an issue. I mean, my partner, Lex, she does online business. She gets it. She's known me for a long time too, so she knows how I am. And I think that exactly what you just said one of the best things, and we've talked about this a little bit before we got on the call, like this, like this idea of authenticity, that can be kind of overused as a word, but one of the biggest gifts of like, actually showing up authentically, is that you give other people permission to do the same, right? Not that they need it, but like they are looking for it. And so when you show up and you're like, Yeah, this is what I do. This is the time I take. This is how, like, when I'm going to be doing this, I'm putting myself first. I'm scheduling this first. You give other people the permission to do that. And people like that. They're like, oh, if maybe, maybe they have some initial pushback, but that's because they're like, oh shit, you just held up a mirror. And now I have to look at myself and be like, Am I doing that? I could do that. What's stopping me from doing that? So I've had no pushback with it at all. You know, I've I say this whenever I go on podcasts or talk about things like so much of everything I credit to my mom, and just like how she raised me and I, she's always supported me. There was never a like, but what about or none of that. It was just like, okay, you have soccer. I'm taking you. You want to do this? Okay. Like, there was never anything but support. So I've never, I've never been in an environment. I never thought to be in an environment or been okay in an environment where someone's like, pushing back on just how I am, I'd be like, why? What is this about? Lesley Logan 13:27  What a cool mom. What a cool, like, evolved, healthy. Shanté Cofield 13:33  Super fortunate. Lesley Logan 13:34  Yeah, yes. And also let, like, it allows for you to be you, and then again, be that mirror for other people. So okay, it's called Be It Till You See It because I don't like the way fake it till you make it sounds. And I have always been someone who, like, is like, okay, I don't know how to be the person who runs a business by herself. So what if I had to know? And like, what would I do if I had to know? So that's kind of how I've always run things out. And so one of the things that, like, you know, I followed you for years, and I love about you, like, I find, and I'm sure this is like, literally, what you deal with is, like, so many people are afraid to put themselves out there as either themselves or the person that they would like people to see them as, and you teach that. And also, like, you know, in the last recent shit show we've all been in, I've watched you continue to show up authentically, and so I guess I want to know, like, are there tips for being it till you see it online? Shanté Cofield 14:26  Yeah, yeah. This is why I'm really excited to come on this podcast, because it is something that I've learned, that this is what I do and teach. I didn't go into online space or anything with that be like, this is what I'm gonna help people with. But, you know, Movement and Instagram and online business, it's all just been a vehicle to help people live into themselves and create their best lives. And I didn't realize that that was a difficult thing for people. And I don't see that as like, oh, it's so easy. It was just like, that's not the world that I was in in any way. And so when you start talking about you're like, oh, this is something that's difficult for you, for many reasons. Society is designed so that this is difficult for you, like, and then seeing that be like, okay, let me see what I can do, or what I've been doing, and kind of like, put a process to it, if you will, to try and help people. I think that the most, the simplest, easiest thing, the action item, is do it scared. Like, there's no other way around it. I think that we like to kind of, like, cerebralize things and be like, I'm gonna try and dissect it. And why am I like this? And why do I do something that's helpful and fine, but like, you still have to then do it. There's no that. There's no like, I'm gonna think my way out of this or into this. It's like, I still have to take the action and show up in this way. So if we're waiting to, like, feel better about it, we know that this confidence is a byproduct, right? It's on the other side of action. So there's a line that I give people that I tell people, I'm like, do it scared, right? Yes, there can be action items of, like, accountability, or you're like, I'm working with somebody and like, I just have to show up, I have to post. I've given myself timeframes and constraints so that, because we know deadlines are magic. But the to me, the big take home is there, do it scared. You're probably, it's probably going to feel uncomfortable, it's probably going to feel far and it's probably not going to feel good. You're probably going to be like, having all these thoughts, do it anyway, because the feeling you're searching for, the confidence, all of that, it's on the other side of the action.Lesley Logan 16:17  Yeah, oh yeah. It's really true. Like people so we have, since I last saw you, like, we actually have, like, streamlined so many things. And because of all the coaching I've done for 10 plus years, and because the world made me put everything out in blogs back in the day and videos, we were able to train an actual bot to be me, right? And it's great. It's fabulous. She, she has the best grammar that I never had. I'm like, wow, I love that the internet's helping with the commas. Like, it's so great. But somebody asked my bot, like, you know, a question where, like, you know, confidence came up, and my bot said a very true story about how I had, you know, like, I do these things scared. I'm not always confident with what I'm doing and the person's like, you're not always confident. You seem so confident. And it's so funny, because, like, I think people are so good at seeing what they want to see in other people you know that right there, because they don't see they don't see, oh, she's doing that scared. They see, they only see it as, like, she's confident. And it's really, like, I tell everyone, I do everything, like, as if the roller coaster is like, at the tip and I'm screaming down the other side and hoping I'm just gonna go with the flow of it all, because you get confident from doing the thing you said you're gonna do. Shanté Cofield 17:32  It's on the other side of it. I think, you know, there's also a lot to be said from drawing from data, right? Like, I'm a physical therapist by trade. That's science through and through. It's how my brain works. I want logic. I want reason. I want things to be rational. There's so much to be said to actually generating evidence and generating data first and then then the second part, which is hard for people, is believing it like there's always this discussion around imposter syndrome. There's a lot of, you know, routes we can take and how it's like, societally imposed, and all these other things. And I'm like, for me, part of the rational side of it is, I'm like, maybe you're just not that good yet. If you just started, why would you be good at this thing? So you feeling like, I'm not good enough. It's like, you're right. Clap for yourself. You're right. You're not that good yet. And then we go and we learn the things and we get the rest. And then this is where I see the switch doesn't flip. You have to choose to believe that evidence, because I'll have people that like do the things and I'm like, you've been doing this shit for five years. You're still not confident, like, you have to choose to believe it then. Day one, no, you're not good. Objectively, you're not like, it's okay. Year five. You are better. You have to look at all of this data that you have generated, and then you have to choose to believe it, and then act from that. Can you still and will you still be scared or have feelings about certain things? Yes, but it's typically the new things that you haven't done. Moving forward, you have this new foundation. You have stepping stones that you've literally laid in place yourself, and you have to choose to believe the structural integrity of these things.Lesley Logan 19:01  I I'm obsessed with that (inaudible) and I'll okay, Seth Godin, like, probably this is a decade ago, I was listening to podcasts when I couldn't afford coaching. I was like, these people are my coach. And Seth Godin was like, being asked about imposter syndrome, and he said, if you're new at something, you are, in fact, an imposter. And he's just right, so just feel those feelings, and then take the steps to not be that way. And I was like, and he also said, and then also take it as a sign that you're probably not a narcissist as well. So when you, yeah, because you care. So we can remove now that we've, like, established you're not a crazy ego narcissist and you are new. Allow yourself to be new, but then go do the thing. And I so I have had some people, some teachers, at my house, and they graduate from my mentorship program, and they were here at the house for retreat, and when I was like, oh, I can't do this exercise. I can't do this exercise. And I was like, okay, well, let's just see what you can do. So they do it, and they come right up, and I'm like, so you just did it. Shanté Cofield 19:59  So you can, actually, objectively. Lesley Logan 20:02  Yeah and I'm like, you need to believe in you more than I believe in you. Like, yes, I'm a teacher. Right?Shanté Cofield 20:09  That, that is huge, Lesley, that is huge. And I think that one of the things that I will talk to people about, or say to people as they're on this journey, is borrowing confidence, right? And so when we're starting out and we're new with something, one of the best gifts you can give yourself is if someone chooses to believe in you believe them. And so I think about, you know, you had asked, what the podcast, and I love, by the way, how organized your shit is. But one of the things I was asking, in that little, little pre podcast thing, and I was thinking of like, you know, instances, and for me, it was starting with Rock Tape and starting to teach with them. I did reach out, because I was like, I can do this because I was five years into my career already. It wasn't like day one. I was like, I can get people better. Like, I could do this. I could learn and, like, learn how to teach this. But like, I have a solid foundation. I'm good at what I do. But going into this, one of the women, one of the head woman, Allison, Allison Evans, who is my self-pointed mentor. We still talk like nearly every day. She believed in me, and she really believed that I could do this and could teach and like she put me on stages and helped me, and I was like, I'm going to choose to believe her. And that confidence, I did have to borrow it like I had my own coming in, but any that I needed, I would borrow from her and then use that moving forward, so that one of the best gifts that you can give yourself, if you are foundering, faltering a little bit having unsure about things, if someone chooses to believe in you, believe them. Lesley Logan 21:34  Ah, I want to put that on replay. Everyone's gonna rewind that. I wanna put that on replay because, like, I it's so true, years it was probably like 20 this was like 2018 and I had and I had, I had been traveling a bit to I was being hired to teach in different countries, and I was always so shocked. I'm like, oh my god, they found me. This is like, you guys, this is 2014-15. I wasn't really doing it on Instagram. They were finding me through like YouTube and then word of mouth. So then it's like 2018, a girlfriend of mine wanted to host this big event. And she was like, she was picking all of her friends to, like, do it, because we believed in her, right? But so I believed in her that she could do this event. And I found myself on a stage, my husband was actually micing me up. There's 85 people in this class, and I was like, Is this mic on? He goes, No. And I was like, I think I'm a little bit nervous. Like, I think there's a mistake here, right? Like, and he goes, why? And I was like, well, I just don't know, like, 85 people. I've never taught 85 people. And I'm looking at this front row, and there's like, famous teachers in the front row and brand new people in the front row, and I'm having just, like, a little having a little moment, a little imposter moment. And he goes, how is this different than anything you've already done? And it was like, I needed to go back and borrow that comment and also be reminded you've actually done this. It's just more people.Shanté Cofield 22:46  That that that you're human, the reminders, the other people, the people that are believing you, that people are giving them around, like, take all of this. Take all of it. Yes, yes. Yes times a million. Lesley Logan 22:57  Yeah, yeah. Um, okay. So you, you have, you went from, I mean, like, I love Rock Tape, thank God for Rock Tape. But between that, Pilates saved my knees and my hips from all my running career. So very appreciative. And then you got into what people would say is, like, a huge pivot, like, I don't know that many people would like the trend of like, oh, you go your physical therapist, and you're a Rock Tape expert, and then you teach people how to be on Instagram. Shanté Cofield 23:27  Yeah, right. Lesley Logan 23:28  So you had the teacher confidence in you from the teaching you've done, but and you had the confidence in what you've put out and what you grew on your own. But what was the be it till you see it? How did you like, how did you set yourself up to, like, coach people on something completely different than what you went to college studying all that?Shanté Cofield 23:45  Totally, totally. I love the phrase that it's be it till you see it, because you're not actually faking it, right? So to me that my, one of my whole sticks is safety and having a safety net. And so from the outside, people will think you've taken massive leaps. And then if they're like, behind the scenes, or if they actually were with you the whole time, they realize, like, there's these little steps that you just, like, didn't fucking stop them. So everything led to the next thing you know, being able to be on social media and being able to teach in person and give presentations came from the fact that I did it for a zillion years, right? Growing up, going through high school, going through college, and then, PT school, you did a million presentations, so like, going and doing more of them. I'm like, this is the same it's actually not an issue at all. Being able to speak to people and connect with people. That's from being a physical therapist like, that's literally all you do all day long, right? This skill set just carries over to the next thing, coaching, things. I've been in sports my whole life. I've been coaching my whole life. So then going into the online business realm, it wasn't so much of a pivot, because I was doing PT. All I did was I took all my PT stuff and I started putting it on Instagram. Because I was like, I started using Instagram simply because I was like, I would like to connect with other people. I didn't do it to this is 2014 right? I didn't do it to start a brand. I didn't do it because, like, no one was really doing it, to be completely honest, in terms of, like, the PT world there was like, (inaudible) was doing it, Perry Nicholson was doing it. But it wasn't like a big thing to see, like, PTs and Kairos just like.Lesley Logan 25:05  Yeah. I know it's hard for people to believe, but there was a window where social media was just social.Shanté Cofield 25:10  Yeah, right, like, here's my breakfast. There was no. Lesley Logan 25:14  I know. Here's a sunrise. I look at the sunrise. I did just look at this tree. Shanté Cofield 25:18  On my high tone filter here. Like it was not, it was like, not a thing. So I was like, okay, I see people doing it. I just want to connect with people and like, I'm, mind you, I'm five years into my career by now. Like, I was like, I can literally just take what I've been doing during the day. Videos was only 15 seconds long. Like, first iPhone didn't even have, like, a camera, I mean, a video on it. Like it was just like, this is very different way of doing things a different time. So I'm taking my PT stuff, I'm putting that on social media. I grow a following behind that, thinking I wanted to work with CrossFitters, but who followed me was other PTs. And I see why, like, looking back, I'm like, the language I was using, how I was showing up. So then I start teaching them things. I'm running courses. So, like, I'm able to run my own courses, because I worked for Rock Tape, at that point, four years. And so I knew how to run a course. I knew how much I would need to charge in order to, like, turn a profit on this. I had connections all around. I launched my personal course in Australia and New Zealand because I had connections from Rock Tape so it wasn't like, how could you launch a course abroad? I'm like, because I've already done literally 500 like, right? It's not a big thing. So from the outside, maybe it looks like that. From the inside, it's like, it's just the next step. As I'm running all these courses, and anytime I would go and they would, I would be specifically asked to teach a course. I by the by the, like, year three of this, I already knew if that facility asked for me specifically, I already knew that owner was going to be like, hey, can we go out to dinner? And then they were going to ask me business stuff. And they were like, going, they were like, gonna be like, I wanna leave. I wanna do something else. So getting asked all these questions, starting to work with those people, but it was just behind the scenes. People didn't know I'm doing it, but I'm like, I've been doing this for years. So then 2019 comes. I start bringing more of it front facing. Jill and I host a live event. That was my first live event with, like, online business. And I was like, okay, this is new, but I'm borrowing confidence from Jill. Jill believes in me. Cool. I'm going to just stay in my lane with this stuff and teach this stuff and go into that even, because I've been doing it like behind the scenes, but not so front facing. And then 2020 I literally just took all the stuff that I was doing behind the scenes and brought it front facing, right so that, and largely what I was doing initially in 2020 was teaching people how teaching people how to bring their presence online. It wasn't so much of the true like launch strategy and things like that that I learned a ton from Jill and then also going through that subsequently. But I started out with what I knew and what I've been helping with people with already. So the pivot felt like a lot like looked like a lot from the outside, but behind the scenes, it was literally like, okay, it's just the next stepping stone, and taking all that I've done with me and using it for the next step. Lesley Logan 27:46  I am so obsessed with the way that you like, talked about what people see on the outside, and then the baby steps behind the scenes, because I do think that they go, oh, you know, Lesley does this, and she does this, and she does this, and so I'm gonna go do these things. And it's like, okay, behind the scenes, there are 20 people who do the million steps. There are, like, from the time I end this call with you, I don't touch this again until a recap episode, and it goes through all the things that does all this stuff. And then I don't, I just hear it on the places you listen to podcasts too. Like, yeah, because, because behind the scenes, you're not, no one's posting. That's boring. No one actually wants to know how many baby steps are back there. But I also want to highlight that you like, you took what you were being asked a lot, and the experiences you were having, and you were utilizing that. And I think where a lot of people, they try to create it from the end point from, like, where this like, oh, here's Shanté on the stage. So I'm going to do what Shanté is doing on the stage, and then what am I going to talk about? What if you, you know, you got to go back behind the scenes, and like you mentioned earlier, where it's like, I didn't know people had a hard time doing this thing that came so easy to me. And I think, like for anyone listening, if you're wondering what you might be doing, whatever you think is easy, someone else, a lot of other people, think is so hard. They think it's so hard.Shanté Cofield 29:02  That, you're like, oh, I had no idea. Oh, I think that that gets at kind of like, one thing we haven't discussed is, like the societal implications, right? Like, how society and patriarchy and supremacy culture play into all of this, and we are fed this lie that success requires struggle, right, there's a difference. Success requires hard work, but not struggle. So if you go back to this, the surfer analogy, this would be like, you don't know how to swim. You hate the water. There's sharks in there. And people think like, that's how you have to do it in order to be able to like surf. And I'm like, you should maybe stay on land and, like, play volleyball, like, don't do something else, don't even like swimming. Like, what are you? Why do we think we have to be the struggle and such? Yes, there is hard work, but it is with things that you enjoy doing, with people you enjoy being around. And then it doesn't feel like this, like, God, I'm like, pulling teeth, and it's the worst thing ever. I truly believe that humans, left to their own devices, they will create, they will work hard, they will do so much. People are not inherently lazy. We all know, anyone that's listening to this, you have any if you've ever created something of anything, and you're like, I like this thing. You will stay up all night, you'll miss meals, you'll skip these things. I just want to finish this thing like that, it's in us, but we fed this lie that we have to struggle and we have to suffer and it has to be the worst thing ever. It doesn't have to be yes, it's a lot of work. Yes, we should probably expand our timelines for things, right? We'd have timelines in terms of minutes and I'm like, make it years and you'll never fail. Yeah, right now it's minutes and you're like, I didn't do it yet. But if you are finding things, leaning into these things and like, Hey, I'm naturally good at it. That's a good thing. But we're kind of taught, oh, you're naturally good at it. It's easy. That means that you're lazy, or that if you're if you're going to do that, that means that, like, you're taking the easy route, and that's bad. And it's like, no, do the things that you like, do the things that come easily, that that is great. That's what we're going for, not this life of like I hate the things I have to go to, where I have to do this, I have to struggle and suffer for it to be worthwhile. No, no, absolutely not. Lesley Logan 31:06  No. And I think there's, I love the distinction of hard work versus struggle. And you mentioned that, like, like, the the interesting thing, I don't know, intriguing, the crazy thing about the society that we are in currently, it is, like, before I before I before I go on this with you, my team is like, hey, which of these podcasts do you want us to pitch you to? I was like, looking and I'm like, you guys, anything that is just looks like an alpha male, like you can just say no. Like, you don't, you don't have to ask me. I don't care if it's a point 1% podcast. I don't care if I'm the first expert ever. They want to talk about Pilates and how it's good for them. Like, I'm gonna tell you right now, like, I cannot handle that vibe, and I don't need to. I can work hard and not struggle, and that would be a struggle, right? So, like, you know, I I like, no. And I think what a lot of people have done online is like, oh, that's popular. What this dickhead over here is doing is doing is popular, and using the red and the orange, and, like, claiming out, I'm gonna eat only steak and so I'm gonna go that way, you know. And like, people have forgotten to, like, be themselves and be different.Shanté Cofield 32:11  This, this, this, this, this times a million times a million. We're looking at sustainability as well, right? Like, sustainability and longevity, because that's what the play should be, being anything but yourself is unsustainable, yeah? Like, it may bring it might bring you flash in the pan, success. It might it absolutely, you might be able to trend track something and ride that wave for a short term. You might. But we also see, we've seen it publicly in social media, where people are like, I have to stop doing social media. I built this thing. I hate it. I have this massive audience. It's fake. I don't like it. And it's like, yeah. And I'm also thinking about, we're just seeing the end product of that right, where they're just like, I'm so unhappy. I have to, like, stop this person's been living like that for however long. Like, that's not, life is short, man, we're not here to be miserable every day and baking this thing like, I love that you're not this fake it till you make it. I'm like, people be faking it till they die, you know. Like, that's not.Lesley Logan 33:13  It's not it. It's really not so. And talk about like imposters, and you'll never feel that way. I'll so Martha Stewart is not one of my favorite people in the world, although she's a badass and like, let's just give her that. And also, she hasn't been to prison. That was a, just, just a woman doing something a man does, and they're gonna put her in prison. Yeah, so if they want to imprison them on it, then fine, I'm okay with it. But if we're not doing that anyways, different argument. But she had her version of The Apprentice. Like, when I was like, you know, I don't know, maybe was in college or in high school, and I remember someone said, well, we gotta fake it till you make it. And Martha said, We never fake anything around here. And I was like, I mean, come on, Martha, you fake a little bit, right? Like, like, I had this thing. Like, I just remember, and I remember that going, like, really, you don't fake anything. And then as I got older, and I started, like, evaluate I was doing, I was like, I'm not faking anything. This is me. But like, acting like if I had the if I knew how that worked, or if I wasn't scared. So it's just, you know, when we think of what actors do, we don't call them faking it when they're on white lotus, they are acting like this weird character. You know, it gives me nightmares. Yeah? So it's just like, you get to act like the person who would have the confidence you act like the person, who is doing the hard work but not struggling, that helps you make decisions that you can filter through until you are you realize one day you woke up and you are that person. That's who you are, because that's who you always were.Shanté Cofield 34:32  That, that last part though. Lesley, I think that's really huge, because that's who you always were. There's something to be said, if you really sit and dissect this, like, be it till you see it, it's not faking it because, like, it is you, like, maybe you don't know this thing, but it's still you, it's still you choosing to do this. It's still you having the confidence to do this thing. You're not lying to saying to someone and being like, I'm a surgeon, like, that is different. That's completely different, but it is you. But there is no fake to this, like, whether or not it's just the nuance and the verbage there is that you don't have the like, the confidence that you believe someone who's like been this way for a long time has, but it's still you, still in it. Lesley Logan 35:17  Speaking of still you, you've always been the person that I like look to when it's like, okay, what's going on with Instagram? Like, what's going on this thing? Lesley, just get out of your fucking way and do, just do a just do the thing. Like, I'm just like, such a reluctant Instagrammer, because I've done so well with the YouTubes and the other things and so to me, like, I'm just kind of like, I don't, I always hop on trends. Like, I'm like, I'm just like, here's, I'm too busy actually. So here's here's here's a picture of me and my assistant, and I'll get back to you next week, because I got a lot to do, but something that like you I I've been watching you, and you're so good, and you are so creative, and you're always so consistent. And also, after the election, you, to me, I think on the outsider's perspective, people might have thought you were pivoting. You were being you in my, because, maybe because I know you behind the scenes a bit, but like, it didn't seem like a pivot. It seemed like you just got, like, turning the volume up on you. How did is that what you felt like you were doing? Do you feel like you were like, do you did you have pushback when people say you've changed?Shanté Cofield 36:19  There was no, this is a great question. There was no overt pushback. There was obviously, like, losing of followers, right? So there's like a silence pushback, if you will. But I, flip side of that is I didn't have anyone that was like, stay in your lane or stick to politics. Like no one said anything to me. They were just like, okay, I'm gonna show myself the door. And I'm like, that's cool. I also will say, I don't look at numbers. I hate looking at numbers. I hate when people are like so in the numbers, because I also believe that, especially on Instagram, a lot of numbers are fake, not even like people buying followers. I'm like in you think that 60,000 people like this is Instagram with fake money, right? Using house money and rewarding certain behavior and being like, hey, we like what you're doing. We're going to give you followers, don't like what you're doing, we're going to take them away. Like, the metrics that I want people looking at, if we're going to talk Instagram, is going to be your actual interaction. How many comments are you getting, and are they real? Like, are you talking to people? How many DMs? How many conversations are you having? That's the stuff that I care about. And while I lost quote, unquote followers, or I should say, well, I lost quote, unquote followers, that's what I want to be quoting there, my engagement and my DMs did not go down. I got more comments on the post that I've been doing since the election. So I'm like, I'm good actually, and I think that my audience this is I've been showing up this way long enough of just like this is me, and what topic am I speaking about? Right? My whole shtick has been, build, create, live your best life, and we're doing it with authenticity, because otherwise it's not sustainable. It's not your best life. It's some caricatures, you know, best life. And I've just used vehicles right, across the years. It's been vehicles, it's been physical therapy, it's been Movement, it's been Instagram, it's been online business. And now I, you know, I'm just speaking to certain points that are just like this, just, like this, just, we're just talking about life now, there's nothing in in between to like, create metaphors for you. We're just talking about life. I'm just asking you to look at the things that you're doing on the day to day, and the things that are happening around us and the implications of that, and speaking to that. So, you know, it hasn't been difficult in the sense of showing up that way, but it has been difficult for me to have the desire to put out what I consider to be trivial things. I understand it can be helpful for certain people, but like, that's not where I'm at. I also have, like, this kind of, like internal clock that, like, kind of resets every five years when I'm like, okay, something new. So PT was five years, and then the last three I was teaching and shifting away from treating, and then 2020 hit, and I'm, you know, doing all online business. I'm like, it's 2025 my clock is like, yeah, next step. What? What else is there? Lesley Logan 38:51  I love that you have that awareness of yourself. I felt like I have a seven year clock. And I only learned that, like in the like, last year, I was like, kind of felt like, like, I felt like I was claustrophobic in my own clothes, you know. And, you know, here's the thing, like, again, behind the scenes, no one can see what we're having to do to pivot businesses, you know. And it takes time and what I just love that you mentioned, like, it's hard to post about trivial things, or things that feel trivial to me. It has, I will be honest, like, in the ever since, like, the last year, of like, oh, fuck, this is where we're headed. I'm like, does it really? Do you really need a fucking tip on that? Because there's a YouTube video like, I I'm trying to figure that. I'm trying to figure out, how do I, like, how do I as female business owner who coaches female business owners whose clients are coming in and telling them stupid shit about the economy, who's making them doubt that they should raise their rates, even though their rent went up, their utilities went up. Like, the cost to have employees went up. Like, yeah, you have to raise your rates, because that's the only way you stay in business. It's you are not a charity. You are a. Business. If you want to be a charity, go file for that. You know, I am so I I appreciate that, because I had, I found like, you know, not just like, what has gone on with politics, but like, in the last month, we had something happen in our family, and I'm like, I just, I have these brands who want me to post something I I'm sorry, like, I'm gonna fail you right now, what I love is like, you're such, you are human, and you give so many people permission to be that. And I didn't even post a ton. Mostly was all my stories. I was like, if you follow me, like, you're gonna get the real me. And then the stories is where it is. And I people, you know, I just really liked it when you didn't talk about politics. And I said, I'm so sorry. I'm a female business owner that is political. Like, like, I might have privileges of a white person, but like, I'm still a female business owner who literally only gets people to answer things if I, I have my husband on calls for things. Like, I have a I have, like, here it's your job.Shanté Cofield 40:51  People are people, audacity. I wish that the people we coach and people listening to this have the audacity of that person. It comes into your DMs and is like, here's how you should run your account. I wish we all had that audacity. Lesley Logan 41:04  Yes, yes. Oh, my God. Shanté Cofield 41:06  Where did that come from? Lesley Logan 41:07  Yes, we need to find these people. Like, teach them audacity because it's what, that's the word, it is. And like, I just said, I said, oh, you know, this is my account. Like, so I I said, I was just like, this is my account. And like, I think rights are, are actually, like, just real and human rights. But if you don't like hearing about that, you don't have to follow me here. You can just go for free and go on YouTube. In fact, they'll make sure whatever ads you get the ones you wanted. And you can, you can actually just search for the content that you want from me, and if you want to pay for it. In my membership group, we don't talk about politics, but just remember, everything is.Shanté Cofield 41:43  Exactly. Everything is political, and people see that. I'm like, you're just saying that it hasn't affected you. I'm like, but it is. It hasn't affected you in a negative way. I'm like, it's just affecting you, but positively or neutrally, like. So it hasn't been hard to switch to speak about that it's been hard to like, you said, the behind the scenes, business side of things. Like, I run, my number one program that I run is an Instagram intensive, and I haven't run it this year because I'm just like, what do I want to do with this thing? Like, how do I want this thing to look? How do I do I want to do this? Am I wanting to encourage people to go and spend their time with this? Is this company that doesn't give shits of value? Like, there's a lot of thinking around the the intentionality piece. And I'm fortunate in a fortunate place that I like have, I have the savings to be able to, like, chill out, and I have other programs going on, and I already have clients that I can be been working with one on one, so I can hold off on that thing. But that, that has been the only difficulty, but.Lesley Logan 42:38  I thank you for sure, because I think, like when everything went down, I had people in my group going, I don't, I don't want to post on these platforms, because I don't want to give them anything. And I was like, okay, first of all, I agree. Like, I like, just know that, like, thank you. And also, what I will always coach you on is you have to be where they your people are. So where are your people? Because if they are there, then if you're not there, then some dude on rib-eye steak for three meals a day is gonna sell to them. Like they're gonna, they're gonna buy the solution to their problem. So then it's kind of like, how do we play in the field, you know, like, how do we do it? And so that's always been a game. It's always been the game like, how do we play in this, like, the sandbox that gets them out of that sandbox and over into the sandbox we want to play in.Shanté Cofield 43:25  Absolutely, the intentionality and taking a moment and, like, again, bang, bang. Having time is a luxury, right? Time is to me, like, it circles back to being a conversation of, like, what ultimately I wanted, and having this lifestyle business. It's the translation of that is having time flexibility and having time ownership, right? Where I have the time to sit and Covid, we saw the importance of time during Covid. We call it the great pause, because it gave people a moment to be like, wait, what do I want? How do I want to do things? Do I believe in this? Do I agree with this? When we're living in a world that's so fast paced, and you just have to, like, you're just trying to eat, you're just trying to, like, get through the day, you don't have the luxury, you don't the ability to sit and think and be like, so intentional with things, right? It's all by design, right? I can sound like a tin hat. I don't care. It's all by design. I'm in a place where I have the luxury to sit and be like, okay, I want to be intentional in community, super intentional with my business and how I'm showing up and how I'm helping people. What does that look like? Like I totally agree, there's a huge (inaudible) and when it comes to social media, because it's like, yes, these businesses and supporting them, and you're like, But the flip side is, how do I support my people? And if it's like, I have to stay with this nonsense and in this sandbox so that I can reach these people, because that's where they're at, I'm going to do that. And yes, I'm going to have to move them somewhere else and do other things and show up with my values and encourage them to do the same. But you know, this is taking a beat, taking a moment to really fit and identify that, and not just being like, knee jerk, like, I'm done with it all. And like, yeah, I'm burning it all down. It's like, if that's what you want to do, fine, but I'm looking at what's the outcome of that. Why am I doing that? And if my goal is to be able to help people and like, let me take a moment and figure out what feels best and how I want to do that. Lesley Logan 45:01  Yeah, I could talk to you forever, Shanté, I'm just obsessed. And really, we need to have a hang next time you're here, next time I'm there, we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. Shanté Cofield 45:12  Sounds good. Lesley Logan 45:13  All right, Shanté, where do you hang out? And we said Instagram. But also, like, give them all the deets. Where can they stalk you in a good way?Shanté Cofield 45:19  Yeah, the deets, I try to keep everything consistent, is just type in The Movement Maestro anywhere, and it'll come up, and then you can do whatever you want with it. My website, movementmaestro.com, Instagram, The Movement Maestro. I'm on threads as The Movement Maestro, and that's the easiest, the easiest thing, if you want to chat, I'm in my DMs. I haven't been posting as much as I usually do, but I will answer a DM in two seconds. I don't like email, so go to my website and email me, but I probably won't get back to you. Someone from my team may get back, maybe. Maybe I'll have Rupert, my cat, get back, but (inaudible).Lesley Logan 45:51  Oh, I will tell you how I got out of my inbox, and I'm loving it. Now I have to, actually, my sister's like you do have to go and respond to the five that I couldn't do. I was like, okay, alright, I'll get there. All right. You have truly given us so much, but you know, we, it would, wouldn't be Be It Till You See It Podcast without the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it? What do you have for us?Shanté Cofield 46:11  We're going to circle back, because repetition is key. Once is never, and I'm going to say what I said before. Just do it scared, right? The confidence, the happiness, the understanding, the clarity that you are looking for, the guidance, the direction, the answers that you're looking for are on the other side of doing the thing. So, do it scared.Lesley Logan 46:27  Yeah, yeah. We firmly believe in that. We cosign on that. And once you do it scared, make sure you let The Movement Maestro know and let Be It Pod know because then we can celebrate you. Because guess what? Celebration is how habits are created. That's how the dopamine hits the brain. It's all science people, all right, loves. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 46:45  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 47:28  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 47:33  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 47:37  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 47:44  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 47:48  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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Objectively, it may have been the nicest goal in Canada Summer Games history. Subjectively, it's the GOAT.

In this episode, Maurice reflects on how emotions can cloud judgment, using a personal story to illustrate the importance of separating feelings from analysis in both personal and professional situations. Learn how to objectively assess failures and adjust your approach to achieve clarity and move forward effectively. This episode provides actionable insights for improving decision-making and resilience.In This Episode:00:00 The Power of Reflection01:05 Lessons from Childhood04:30 The Impact of Emotional Responses07:02 Navigating Business Challenges09:27 Understanding MotivationsKey Takeaways:Recognize how shame can prevent clear learning from mistakes.Separate emotions from analytical thinking to improve decision-making.Objectively assess failures by stepping back and understanding the situation.Adjust your emotional response to gain a clearer perspective.Understand others' motivations to better navigate interpersonal challenges.Resources:Well Why Not Workbook: https://bit.ly/authormauricechismPodmatch: https://bit.ly/joinpodmatchwithmauriceConnect With:Maurice Chism: https://bit.ly/CoachMauriceWebsite: https://bit.ly/mauricechismPatreon: https://bit.ly/CoachMauriceonPatreonTo be a guest: https://bit.ly/beaguestonthatwillnevrworkpodcastBusiness Email: mchism@chismgroup.netBusiness Address: PO Box 460, Secane, PA 19018Subscribe to That Will Nevr Work Podcast:Spreaker: https://bit.ly/TWNWSpreakerSupport the channelPurchase our apparel: https://bit.ly/ThatWillNevrWorkPodcastapparel 

This week Craig and Alex review the first two Mission Impossible movies for the first week of Franchise Month!   Next week we're watching Mission Impossible 3 and Ghost Protocol! 

Ever catch yourself frustrated by a lack of progress despite feeling like you're working hard? You're not alone. It's the most common reason for quitting ... early.  The disconnect between effort and results often comes down to a simple truth: we expect extraordinary outcomes from ordinary input.  Looking at myself in the gym mirror recently, I realized something powerful. I've achieved better physical results than most gym-goers not because I've obsessively chased fitness goals, but because I've consistently shown up for an hour every day.  This pattern holds true across all domains of achievement, whether building a business, advancing a career, or mastering a skill.  When my consulting clients express disappointment with their progress, I ask them one critical question: "Is it reasonable to expect the results you want from the work you've put in?"  Objectively?  There's a profound difference between subjective effort (how hard something feels) and objective effort (what's actually required).  To bridge this gap between action and achievement, I've developed a 3-step system that prioritizes repetitions done right over goal-fixation. More hard work won't get you there. More work with strategy will!  Ready to transform your approach to achievement?  Tune in!    Text Me Your Thoughts and IdeasSupport the show Brought to you by Angela Shurina EXECUTIVE & OPTIMAL PERFORMANCE COACH

In this episode of the Story Works Round Table, we gather a diverse panel of writers to tackle the complex question: what makes writing objectively good? Join Alida Winternheimer, Kathryn Arnold, Mark Liebenow, Daniel Kleifgen, Liz Bird, Miriam Levi, and Monic Ductan as they explore the subjective nature of writing, the challenges of judgment, and the essential components that contribute to strong storytelling. With insights from experienced fiction and nonfiction writers, this discussion is rich with practical advice and personal anecdotes. Don't miss this enlightening conversation that dives into the heart of the writing craft!"At the end of the day, it's whether a story has grabbed me, touched my heart." - Miriam LeviGet Alida's musings on life, writing, and the writing life in A Room Full of Books & Pencils and stay up to date on book launches, special offers, and more at booksandpencils.substack.com Are you ready to get more out of your writing, grow your writing skills, and get that book written? Do you want community, feedback, and the mentoring of an expert story craft coach? Check out group coaching for novelists and memoirists. A new session is beginning soon. Get details & schedule your free discovery call today at www.wordessential.com/fictioncoaching Are you ready to work with a developmental editor or writing coach? Alida works with fiction and nonfiction writers on all kinds of writing projects. Email or schedule a discovery call. www.wordessential.com. Show notes, links, & more at www.StoryWorksPodcast.com.

Last weekend was an emotional rollercoaster for anyone running and me as a coach. Tough conditions made people work even harder for that marathon medal.Whether the race went as you hoped for or not, it can be easy to have knee-jerk reactions and not objectively assess the race and training as a whole. It can also be tempting to jump into the next marathon or put off another marathon for a long time. This episode attempts to cut through the emotion and help you objectively assess your race and decide what to do next. No matter what - if you ran at the weekend, you did something special!With the unseasonably good weather this week, I do a deep dive into the science behind sweating and hydration and its effect on running performance.In this episode you'll get tips on what to do to know if you are consuming enough fluid and electrolytes on your runs and how to manage this in long races too to avoid big slow downs and mitigate the chances and severity of crampsHydration is even more important when the temperatures tick up but as it's very individual too, it can bite you in lower temperatures too if you don't stay on top of it.I have a few coaching slots available for the autumn but for everyone else there is my new course 26.2 days to master the marathon at ⁠⁠⁠www.therunningrules.com/master-the-marathon where you can learn how to nail your nutrition, master you mindset and excel at execution in your next marathon.

Think sleep is just for rest and recovery? Think again! In this juicy and science-backed episode of The Keto Vegan, I dive into the surprisingly powerful link between sleep and weight loss. Whether you're keto, vegan, both (hello!), or just sleep-deprived and snack-happy — this one's for you. You'll learn why poor sleep messes with your hormones, slows your metabolism, spikes your cravings, and makes you store fat even if you're smashing your macros. Plus, I'm sharing practical, real-life tips on how to reset your sleep routine — without going all monk-like. Perfect if you're ready to stop blaming peanut butter and start blaming your dodgy sleep schedule.

Joe talks about supportive friends, pursuing something he's not really sure he wants, and the launch of "The Bible, Objectively."

Ceri talks about something that’s essential for every artist, how to spot your best work and see it objectively. She talks about why it is so important for your artistic career and how you can learn to make choices about your work, from submitting your work to group exhibitions. KEY TAKEAWAYS Step back and create distance. If you are too close to your work then you will never be able to see it objectively. Time separation is a great way to practice this, put your work away for days or even weeks before you look at it again. You can also separate yourself by creating distance, hanging it up for example or seeing it in a different context. Look at your work as an image first. View your work as an image on a screen as in most cases this will be the first way people will see your work. Flip the question, what is the work trying to do? Ask yourself, What’s it really about? Where does the energy sit, where do your eyes go first? Does it surprise you, or does it feel predictable?Are you holding onto this piece because it’s genuinely strong, or just because it was a nightmare to make? Get clear on your core line of enquiry. If your work doesn’t align with what you care about most, it’s probably not your best! Ask for feedback and be realistic about it. Don’t just ask friends or people you know already like your work, ask people who will give honest and real feedback you can work with. Use your own best work to compare with. Stop comparing yourself to other artists. Your goal should be to keep pushing your own boundaries, rather than measuring up to someone else. Trust your body’s response, your instincts often know more than your rational brain, so don’t ignore them BEST MOMENTS "When you’re too close to your work, it’s impossible to see it objectively.” “People are seeing your art as a digital image before they ever encounter it in person” “If your work is driven by rage at the destruction of nature but it comes across as calm and decorative, it’s not hitting the mark.” “You don’t need endless opinions that send you round in circles. But you do need to be prepared to hear something that challenges your assumptions.” “Be ruthless with yourself, not in a self-critical way, but in a strategic way. You’re not just making work to tick boxes; you’re making work to move your practice somewhere new, somewhere you haven’t been before. That’s where the real progress happens.” “Your body doesn’t lie. Even when your brain is trying to rationalise and talk you into liking something, your body’s reaction cuts straight through that noise.” EPISODE RESOURCES PODCAST HOST BIO With over 30 years in the art world, Ceri has worked closely with leading artists and arts professionals, managed public and private galleries and charities, and curated more than 250 exhibitions and events. She sold artworks to major museums and private collectors and commissioned thousands of works across diverse media, from renowned artists such as John Akomfrah, Pipilotti Rist, Rafael Lozano-Hemmer and Vito Acconci. Now, she wants to share her extensive knowledge with you, so you can excel and achieve your goals. **** Ceri Hand Coaching Membership: Group coaching, live art surgeries, exclusive masterclasses, portfolio reviews, weekly challenges. Access our library of content and resource hub anytime and enjoy special discounts within a vibrant community of peers and professionals. Ready to transform your art career? Join today! https://cerihand.com/membership/ **** Build Relationships The Easy WayOur self-study video course, "Unlock Your Artworld Network," offers a straightforward 5-step framework to help you build valuable relationships effortlessly. Gain the tools and confidence you need to create new opportunities and thrive in the art world today. https://cerihand.com/courses/unlock_your_artworld_network/**** Book a Discovery Call Today To schedule a personalised 1-2-1 coaching session with Ceri or explore our group coaching options, simply email us at hello@cerihand.com **** Discover Your Extraordinary Creativity Visit www.cerihand.com to learn how we can help you become an extraordinary creative.

Joe talks about the San Diego State women's basketball team, the noises that keep people awake at night, and the first chapter of "The Bible, Objectively."

With Metroid Prime: Beyond just around the corner, this week we're reviewing the 2D Metroid games and putting them in the official Super Switch Headz ranking from worst to best. Will your favorite come out on top? We also cover the gaming and Nintendo news, including more Switch 2 details from FCC filings, game publisher Acclaim coming back from the dead, new rumors of an Xbox handheld, and much more. As always, we close with the games we've all been playing. Listen to Super Switch Headz on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube or wherever you enjoy podcasts. 0:00:00 Introduction 0:08:49 News and Rumors 0:42:16 2D Metroid Rankings 1:38:17 Games We're Playing Discord: https://discord.com/invite/CWbF4gb Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/switchheadz Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/SuperSwitchHeadz/ Website: http://www.switchheadz.com/ Clips Channel: http://www.youtube.com/@SwitchHeadzClips

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Its finally here, the episode that answers the burning question: What are, objectively speaking, the top ten sexxxiest animals? Tune in and find out as the Blab Rats dive deep into the world of nature. 

After congratulating the Philadelphia Eagles on their dominant Super Bowl win, the Inside Economics team breaks down the week's inflation data. Moody's Analytics colleague Matt Colyar joins to help unpack the details behind January's hotter-than-hoped-for CPI and then the group discusses whether their outlooks for 2025 have changed. Predictably, this evolves into a discussion about tariffs. Finally, they play the numbers game. Objectively, Marisa's number was best.Click here to take the most recent Business Confidence SurveyGuest: Matt Colyar - Assistant Director, Moody's AnalyticsHosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody's Analytics, Cris deRitis – Deputy Chief Economist, Moody's Analytics, and Marisa DiNatale – Senior Director - Head of Global Forecasting, Moody's AnalyticsFollow Mark Zandi on 'X' and BlueSky @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis on LinkedIn, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn

Read OnlineJesus summoned the crowd again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand. Nothing that enters one from outside can defile that person; but the things that come out from within are what defile.” Mark 7:14–15What is within you? What is in your heart? Today's Gospel concludes with a list of vices that sadly come from within: “evil thoughts, unchastity, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly.” Of course, none of these vices are desirable when looked at objectively. They are all quite repulsive. And yet too often they are sins that people deal with on a regular basis to one extent or another.Take greed, for example. When understood clearly, no one wants to be known as one who is greedy. It's a shameful attribute to have. But when greed is not looked at as greed, it's easy to fall into the trap of living it. One who is greedy desires an excessive amount of this or that. More money, a better house, a nicer car, more luxurious vacations, etc. Thus, when a person is acting in a greedy way, greed does not seem undesirable. It's only when greed is looked at in an objective way that it is understood for what it is.In this Gospel, by naming this long list of vices, Jesus does us an incredible act of mercy. He rattles us and calls us to step back and look at sin for what it is. Jesus also makes it clear that when you live one or more of these vices, you become defiled. You become greedy, a liar, cruel, a gossip, hateful, arrogant, etc. Objectively speaking, no one wants this.What is it in that list of vices that you struggle with the most? What do you see within your own heart? Be honest with yourself before God. Jesus desires that your heart be pure and holy, freed from these and every filth. But unless you are able to look at your own heart with honesty, it will be difficult to reject the sin with which you struggle. Reflect, today, upon this list of sins identified by our Lord. Consider each one and allow yourself to see each sin for what it truly is. Allow yourself to despise these sins with a holy wrath and then turn your eyes to that sin with which you struggle the most. Know that as you consciously see that sin and reject it, our Lord will begin to strengthen you and purify your heart so that you become freed from that defilement and become, instead, the beautiful child of God you were made to be. My merciful Lord, help me to see sin for what it is. Help me, especially, to see my own sin—that sin within my own heart that defiles me as Your dear child. As I see my sin, give me the grace I need to reject it and to turn to You with all my heart so that I can become a new creation in Your grace and mercy. Jesus, I trust in You!Image: Rembrandt, Public domain, via Wikimedia CommonsSource of content: catholic-daily-reflections.comCopyright © 2025 My Catholic Life! Inc. All rights reserved. Used with permission via RSS feed.

How do you really know if your patient care is effective? It's easy to rely on gut feelings or anecdotes, but those can lead us astray. If you're serious about improving your clinical outcomes and patient experience, it's time to start tracking objective metrics.In this episode, we're diving into the two essential metrics every clinician should track:Forfeit Rate – How many patients stop care after 3 or fewer visits?Appointment:Evaluation Ratio – How many visits, on average, are patients attending after their initial evaluation?These numbers provide powerful insights into your clinical buy-in, the trust patients have in your care, and whether they're staying long enough to achieve meaningful, lasting results.What You'll Learn in This Episode:Why relying on “gut feelings” can mislead even the best clinicians.The significance of your forfeit rate and what it reveals about patient buy-in.How your appointment:evaluation ratio highlights whether you're making a long-term impact on your patients' health.Actionable strategies to improve both metrics and enhance your practice.Practical tips for tracking, analyzing, and using metrics to guide your clinical care.Business Accelerator ProgramIf you'd like to learn more about using these metrics in the context of your business and becoming a more confident business owner, make sure to join us for the next cohort of the Business Accelerator Program!  You can find all the details and submit an application at www.pelvicptrising.com/acceleratorAbout UsNicole and Jesse Cozean founded Pelvic PT Rising to provide clinical and business resources to physical therapists to change the way we treat pelvic health.   PelvicSanity Physical Therapy (www.pelvicsanity.com) together in 2016.  It grew quickly into one of the largest cash-based physical therapy practices in the country.Through Pelvic PT Rising, Nicole has created clinical courses (www.pelvicptrising.com/clinical) to help pelvic health providers gain confidence in their skills and provide frameworks to get better patient outcomes.  Together, Jesse and Nicole have helped 600+ pelvic practices start and grow through the Pelvic PT Rising Business Programs (www.pelvicptrising.com/business) to build a practice that works for them! Get in Touch!Learn more at www.pelvicptrising.com, follow Nicole @nicolecozeandpt (www.instagram.com/nicolecozeandpt) or reach out via email (nicole@pelvicsanity.com).Check out our Clinical Courses, Business Resources and learn more about us at Pelvic PT Rising...Let's Continue to Rise!

Tiff and Britt provide a play-by-play of what one practice did over the course of one year to go from producing $1.2 million to $2.5 million. This includes having the right systems in place and the right people in the right seats. Episode resources: Subscribe to The Dental A-Team podcast Join Dental A-Team Consulting Leave us a review Transcript: The Dental A Team (00:02.09) Hello, Dental A Team listeners. I am so excited to be here with you today. We are doing something really exciting. I have Brilliant Brain Britt with me today. I'll say that three times fast. I love it. It's sticking today. It's sticking. But I'm super excited to do this podcast today. This is something we don't always do. We're just trying to mix it in for you guys so that you guys can really feel a connection to other   Britt (00:14.852) Thanks.   The Dental A Team (00:30.767) human beings. That is something that Dental A Team works really hard on and this year in 2025, it's a really, really major focus for us is to have all of our doctors that are a part of Dental A Team to have other doctors and other practice owners and leadership people to communicate with because I think sometimes we feel like we're on our own little island in dentistry and there's a dentist on every corner in most cities and states but we still feel like we're alone.   We really want you to have that connection piece that's really big for us this year and always has been. And Britt and I, Britt, I have you here today. We are going to talk about a practice transformation. This is a client that I think no names used, right? But I think this is a client situation and the statistics is something that we see a lot. This is a very common practice that came into the Dental A Team and then...   Britt (01:13.221) you   The Dental A Team (01:24.237) Honestly, the results that we saw were pretty common as well. Like this isn't something that I think preface this with that everyone gets the same results every time. It definitely takes a lot of parts and pieces moving together at the same time to make sure that the results are there. Everyone sees results, but.   really looking at the transformation of this practice and I want you guys out there to think how can I see myself in their shoes? How can I see myself in what they're doing or what they're looking for? It's gonna be really huge today. So Brett, I'm excited for this one. How are you doing? How excited are you? What's life like over there?   Britt (02:02.821) Good, you know, it's always fun. just think of right recently we wrote a bunch of cards to clients and it's just a fun time to sit back and think about, oh, look at, look at all that we've accomplished together. Look at how much fun it is. So I kind of feel like that's like this transformation day is talking about, oh my gosh, it's so fun to think about all that can be done and all the fun things we've done with our clients.   The Dental A Team (02:23.888) I totally agree. And those cards were so much fun to hear, right? I love thinking about, I was thinking about them the other day. I'm like, gosh, I can't wait for them to like, I'm sure you guys have gotten them now and opened them and I've heard from a few clients, but I love bragging on results and I love bragging on people. And one of the biggest pieces that we work really hard with our clients on, I've said this a million times, but it's making sure that the business is working for them and not just them working for the business. a lot of...   clients, a lot of potential clients, know, the clients that are coming in and doing practice assessments with you guys and looking at what could my life with the Dental A Team look like and what should I be focusing on within that practice assessment. Our clients that we have now, future clients that will come and a lot of you guys out there listening are really looking for very similar things. And the practice we're going to talk about today, that transformation today is, gosh, this is somebody who we worked just.   so close with and we love them to pieces and in 12 months, so you guys know, we were able to take this practice, this practice and their consultant, they went from 1.2 million and their practice they were doing okay, right? 1.2 million is not bad, but they were kind of tired, they were exhausted, they had two young kids at home that they wanted to be at home with and they were working a lot of hours, they were trying to implement the systems, trying to get everything going.   and just putting a lot of work into this practice to really get it to where they wanted it. What they wanted, you know, was more income. They wanted more profitability. They wanted to be able to take some time off clinically to be with their family and build a life outside of the practice. And I think a lot of the people we talk to, that's the space you guys are in too. Whether you've got littles at home, graduated kids at home, no kids at all, future family, no future family, like no matter what.   I think everybody's in the business of getting time back and wherever you're applying that to doesn't matter. It's just not being handcuffed to what you're doing every day, but what you're doing every day to allow you to have the life of your dreams. And that's where this practice was. And within 12 months, I want you guys to know the pieces that we're going to talk about today.   The Dental A Team (04:33.842) are just some implementables that we worked on with this practice that their consultant worked really hard with them to implement. Went from $1.2 million in their practice in 12 months to a $2.5 million practice. So they doubled their production and their collections. Collections stayed right in line with their production. You guys, that's a piece I want you to understand and know. Your production can double, but your collections also has to double. You've got to make sure you're staying in that 98 % or higher.   They did that. So their overhead dropped as well significantly. They went down about 10 % in that year. So they increased their production collections, decreased their overhead by about 10 % and their hygiene, which we push, you know, I really want to see your hygiene to three to 3.3 times their rate of pay. This practice is hygiene went above and beyond and we're doing about five times their rate of pay. So there's probably, you know, some fee for services in their low PPO, you know, signups. They've got only a couple PPO's and   high reimbursements, but I want those are all a part of those that puzzle you guys. So I really want to dive into how they did this and Britt just objectively, if you have a practice that comes in, you're doing a lot of these practice assessments yourself as well with the with the team, but a practice comes in and they're like, gosh, we're doing fine. Like we're decent. We're at one point two million. I've got two kids at home. I'm tired. I'm working a lot. I want to be home more like   Objectively, what are some of the first questions that you ask or you're looking for to know where to take this practice with their systems?   Britt (06:07.159) I think systems and people, right? I think that's two things within even this case is looking at what systems do we have running and what people do we have helping to run things that aren't just doctor. I think it's common, That sometimes, not sometimes, often we will have doctors come in and they're doing a lot of things on the business side or keeping track of front desk. They're doing a lot of pieces that aren't the most productive thing for them to be doing.   The Dental A Team (06:22.77) you   The Dental A Team (06:34.897) Yeah.   Britt (06:36.365) And so looking for what are those opportunities of either gaps in systems to where we just don't have a plan for things, we need to shore some things up and if we're a little bit more intentional about what we're doing every day, we're gonna get better results. And then number two is how can we get the right people in the right seats that allows everybody to function at the height of their ability. And when we've got those two things like rockin' and rollin' with this transformation that we have.   The Dental A Team (06:58.215) Yeah.   Britt (07:05.445) it just runs smoother and especially for doctors, right? Then you've got a little more time and you can focus most of your energy on patient care and doing some of those bigger cases, you know, having even just more mental space and exams to talk about optional things, to the opportunity to do more work. And so that's kind of what I'm looking for. like, all right.   The Dental A Team (07:20.381) Mm-hmm.   Britt (07:26.051) What systems and what people do we have? How much is that doctor into and what can we start to transform on both sides to make the most of everybody?   The Dental A Team (07:36.628) Yeah, it was just brilliant because this practice in specific that we're talking about, those were the pieces they were lacking. They didn't have an office manager or a leadership team. They didn't have a team. They were passing things off to you. They weren't delegating things. So this doctor comes in and two young children, and wanting more time at home, exhausted and not able to push the production and the collections in the ways that they wanted to.   you look at it and you're like, yeah, because you're doing everything. So if we're holding all of the cards ourselves, whether we're the manager or the doctor or whoever it might be, if we're holding all the cards, I think of it as like, you're trying to hit each one of those pieces and your capacity is only so big. So what happens is   You're managing the growth. You're also performing the dentistry. You're making sure that the patients are happy. You're making sure the team's happy. You've got your hands in so many different pots that you've only got a little bit. You've only got so much of you, right? There's only so much of you. The capacity is only so large. You only have so much to divvy out. And so when you have so many spaces that you're putting little pieces of yourself into, not to mention the things at home, you're actually decreasing the value.   of what each of those spaces is getting of you. Because you can only give so much and that's what spreading yourself then is, right? You can only give so much of yourself to each one of those spaces. So if you were to take a step back and think, well, what parts of this am I doing that someone else could do if I had the right person in place? And I think that's the first space that they really worked on with this client was taking that step back and saying, if we had a manager in place,   What are the things you're doing today that a manager could take off of your plate? That just alone, I think the concept and idea of having someone to delegate, that alone frees up so much space in your brain because it gives you a way out, it gives you an option and some clarity. So they worked really hard on this with this practice to really look at if we could hire the right manager, what would we delegate to him or her?   The Dental A Team (09:44.211) And then they did it. And I know this consultant very, very closely worked very closely with this practice in the hiring, as well as all of us consultants do. We definitely help hire. We've definitely done interviews. I've done a million interviews for a few practices that really to make sure we're getting the right person, but they worked really hard on the hiring the right person and then training that person to take a lot of those tasks on. So Britt, when you have that office manager, cause you're saying like the people and the systems, right?   So when we have that office manager in place that can take some of those pieces from the doctor, what does that open up for the doctor capacity and space wise? then what can, know, I told you a lot of our clients and a lot of our listeners are in the same place. The financials might be different, the numbers might be different, but the problems are usually the same. So if we can get that right person or train the person who's there now to do some of those pieces, what has that been allowing? What did it allow this doctor to do with their lives?   Britt (10:41.283) Yeah, I think like I said, it's a mental capacity one, even like chair time, right, might open some of it up for you. Family time, it opens some of it up for you. And the thing is not only are you passing things off to office manager, you are also, that office manager can shore up things that we know need to be done that haven't been happening, right? So AR, we need stronger systems or we've had them, but nobody's following them.   The Dental A Team (11:03.797) Mm-hmm.   Britt (11:07.883) office manager can take on a lot of those pieces to help drive us forward as well.   The Dental A Team (11:12.948) For sure, I totally agree. So I think some of the pieces that this doctor specifically had right were not the right, maybe not even the right systems for the right people. Because I think a lot of you guys listening can see yourselves in this doctor's shoes. Like I said, the numbers might be different. The problems are usually about the same. They just might be on a different level. So part of that and what Britt, you just said too, is really looking at   where are we spreading ourselves then? What are the important pieces that only you can do, doctor? So one piece that we took with this practice alone was to say, dentist, what can you do? You are the only one who can perform the dentistry right now. We don't have an associate, we don't have anybody else, which if there's an associate with a whole other world of problems, we're going to keep it to you. What are the things that only you can do? And you are the one who's providing the dentistry. You're the clinician.   Only you can do the exams, only you can recommend treatment, only you can perform the treatment, only you can run your business from these standpoints. So how do we get those pieces on you? And then how do we divvy out the other pieces? Typically, the stresses are going to come from like Britt just said, and I'm sure this practice had this as well, the AR, right? The accounts receivable, the collections, is the money coming in? And do we have a point person?   appointed to watch those pieces. So that maybe your office manager, it may be a billing person, but ultimately your office manager is going to watch all of those pieces. So what we did with this practice, their consultant strategized with them and built a plan for that office manager. And I know I've done this with a lot of clients as well. What is the training plan going to look like? Who are we hiring? So what's the avatar of the human being that we need? What are the things that we need that human being to perform?   How are we going to strategically train them to take these pieces on from you? And then we trajectory, we have this trajectory and we project when can you say, yes, these things are off my plate? So is it six months from now? Is it nine months from now? What does that look like that these things are off of your plate? And how are we gonna track those trends? So we wouldn't have these stats 1.2 to 2.5, five times the rate of pay and hygiene decreased overhead by 10%.   The Dental A Team (13:22.695) if we weren't tracking the trends and tracking how the systems were being implemented and put into place. So space one, you guys, they hired an office manager and this office manager came in and freaking killed it. This office manager came in, trained with the consultant, trained with the doctor, the doctor delegated, the doctor built the trust with the office manager and the office manager increased the collections through the AR as well. AR and like over the counters, all of those pieces.   They made sure that they were tracking the trends, they were attacking the systems that needed to be attacked, and they kept building. The momentum started and they kept going. On the other side of that, the doctor, right? Talk, maybe speak a little bit to that capacity side of the doctor. You mentioned, you know, mental capacity. If you're doing all these pieces, your exams, like, what does that look like now? We've removed that obstacle of no office manager. Now what can we implement and expect from the doctor?   Britt (14:20.931) Yeah, so from the doctor, just that mental space, right? We all know when we're really busy, someone comes to you, you need an answer, whether it's a patient, whether it's a team member. Sometimes you just end up making decisions on things that.   if you weren't so rushed, like you would have maybe gotten a little more information and made a different decision that might have been a better decision in that moment. So I think that's part of it. think treatment planning, one where they just don't feel that they're so frazzled going from thing to thing where.   The Dental A Team (14:42.901) Yeah.   Britt (14:51.747) not only they're taking care of patients, they're trying to tackle some business things and take care of things in the midst of the day. And so when we're able to even just compartmentalize that, pass some things off, make specific time to get things done, they can be very patient present, which I think one, not only helps them as a doctor, also helps them to hold their clinical team accountable because they should be preheating and helping the doctor and talking about things. Sometimes when we're exhausted, it's like,   The Dental A Team (15:11.212) Yeah.   Britt (15:18.637) I don't even want to tackle that conversation right now. I'll just do it right like that's human nature. I think everybody does it in those moments where you're just exhausted and stressed. So when we can remove that from doctor   you can show up for that clinical team, them little more accountable and have a little bit more mental energy to talk to patients about things or maybe even improve on how we're presenting things or how we're handing things off, not only for a doctor, but the entire clinical team to function a little bit better. And I think with office manager, right? And with this client, one of the things...   on top of taking delegated tasks was someone very dedicated to schedule, scheduling well, making sure that patients are getting in there. And so that alone was a huge piece and switching and getting that production, that revenue to grow is scheduling is huge and keeping it full and not having piddly days where you work really hard and don't make anything.   The Dental A Team (15:59.065) See you.   The Dental A Team (16:07.864) I totally agree. And one piece that they, I know that the consultant talked about too on that same standpoint, right? We optimized how the team is doing everything and figured out the systems that needed to be there. But part of those systems were the meetings.   making sure that there was a great cadence, that the communication was there. And even, even doctors who are listening now, they're like, I can kind of see myself there, but I have an office manager and he or she is fantastic. And that's great. And you're still looking for that space in that area of growth. could be as simple as the communication. How is, how is your communication with the team? How are you communicating with your office manager? This specific practice was doing weekly meetings with the office manager and really got that cadence down and really got a good momentum on the meetings because   Now they're talking about the goals. So when we're, and we've talked about this, you guys, there's a couple podcasts recently you can listen to. When you're looking at the goals and you're constantly looking at where are we trying to go and where have we been, what's that gap in between, you're able to then strategize and say together, what do we need to do to get to that point? Because you're not going to say, you're not going to call me and be like, Tiff, we went from 1.5 or 1.2 to 2.5 and I just hired an office manager. That's all it took. It might.   That'd be super freaking cool, right? But likely there's a lot more work that goes into it. So hiring the right person, having right people, right seat, having the training and having the systems and then having the strategy, which is something that I think a lot of doctors need help working through. actually had someone who's really close to me the other day. He's like, I don't understand like this, like a successful doctor, like you're not, they're not your ideal client. And like, yeah, they are.   Britt (17:56.567) Yeah   The Dental A Team (17:56.837) I mean, yeah, they are. He's like, well, they've already done it. I'm like, yeah, but sometimes they can't see through the weeds of where they want to go. And they see this vision and they see, okay, I've gotten this far. Is this my cap? Because I really think it'd be cool to do X, Y, and Z. Or I just want a little bit more. And sometimes it's easy to the want, to have that want and have that desire. But the strategy piece...   is a little bit more difficult and sometimes it takes that third party perspective. So this client, making sure that they worked really closely with their consultant on what that strategy needed to look like, the team training, the delegation, the meeting, setting the right cadence for their calls, making sure that they showed up every single time that they were in it to win it. They did the hard things. They did the implementations. We can only do so much. You can't implement it and do it for you. But making sure that they were doing it. This doctor put in a lot of work.   But on the flip side, they got time back with their kids, they decreased overhead, which increased their profitability, increased their profitability with production and collections, right? And increased just their hygiene rate of pay, five times their rate of pay. Like that's huge, that's above and beyond what we push for. But they did those hard things, right? People write seat, write training, write strategy and systems, and making sure you know where you're trying to go.   Britt (19:15.107) Mm-hmm.   The Dental A Team (19:20.377) and doing those hard things. And Britt, I think my big question to you is can anyone do this? Like even if these aren't your exact numbers, right? You can see yourself somewhere in this story. Can anyone have these results?   Britt (19:35.333) I think anyone can definitely get the improvement, right? And there's gonna be some fat, welcome to the realist. Anyone can do it grow. I don't care what space you're in. I don't care what's going on within the practice right now. Everyone has the opportunity to grow and comes in at a point where it's like, all right, you might've been doing really well, great. How do we take you to the next level and grow you even more?   The Dental A Team (19:42.159) Hahaha   The Dental A Team (19:58.168) Okay.   Britt (19:59.109) And there are some where it's like, hey, I'm functioning, right? Decent, but I can't figure out how to get beyond that. And we've got the space, we've got the potential and they can get those results, right? So anyone can make the change and get results. And I think with this factor, it's not just hiring an office manager like you said.   There's also accountability, because sometimes it takes more than one, honestly, to find the right person. So you've got to have the accountability along with it while delegating things and getting someone who can really own that role. And you can do it. You can get the results that you want and get your practice functioning to its full capacity no matter who you are. Just by taking a little bit help and guidance on the way.   The Dental A Team (20:21.296) Yeah.   The Dental A Team (20:37.213) Totally agree. Yeah, which it should. Like I told this friend who made that comment to me, was like, gosh dang it, do you know how many business ideas I have had in the last five, 10 years of my life that have never gone anywhere because I didn't have somebody sitting behind me. Like, did you do that thing? Did you do that thing? Because I'm like, I don't know what the next step would be. Like if I'm truly going to do something and go to the next level, no matter what it is, if it's my wealth management, if it's...   Britt (20:53.784) huh.   The Dental A Team (21:04.476) He's doing something within Dental A Team on a course, right? Creating something new. I can have the idea, but sometimes I need that coach behind me, even if it's just Britt on my own team being like, your next step is, and sometimes we just need that. And I think that's what this doctor came in, like exhausted, knew what he wanted, but just was like spread too thin. It's too hard to fix it all. We need that third party perspective sometimes to be like, no, this is, this is where we start.   If we start right here, clear that up, it leaves space to now double up and apply that space that you've got towards this thing to move that needle, but we've got to free up that space first. So 100 % think you're right.   Britt (21:44.486) and even just coming up with the ideas, right? Or like some, can think of one client in particular where it's like, I'm maxed on space, which absolutely they were, they were maxed on space and like doing really well. We were able to grow a little bit in that space. And I remember from the beginning, we started working together and I'm like, okay, like.   The Dental A Team (21:53.872) Mm-hmm.   Britt (22:04.771) What, right? Big picture. What's your plan? Right? Are you wanting to just maximize this space? Are you wanting to try and get into a bigger space for you? Have you thought associate? And it's like, well, I mean, maybe if something came along and like he just moved into a new building that's big enough and he's like, I want to get my associate on coming on so I can start to back days. I'm like, great. We're in a different spot. It's still not my vision, but I'm like, I'm going to find some ideas. So you know what could be if that aligns with your vision and where you want to go.   The Dental A Team (22:07.152) Yeah.   The Dental A Team (22:18.0) Yeah.   The Dental A Team (22:24.582) Yep.   The Dental A Team (22:34.205) Totally agree. Totally agree. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. This stuff lights me up and being able to see this kind of growth or the potential in people and for people I think is huge. And that's kind what you're saying. Like your potential could be this, like where do we want to take it is the next question. But this is what I see as possible for you. And I know you guys are doing that a lot on the practice assessment that a lot of, a lot of, hopeful Dental A Team clients or, you know, just getting information people are doing with you guys is   This is where you're at. This is where I think you could go. This is the trajectory. So I think it's really cool. We do a lot of these for all of you guys. Anyone who wants one can call. If you're a Dental A Team client, you know, we work with you guys constantly on making sure that we're setting those goals. So I love it. I think anyone can have this. Like you said, Britt, anyone can have this as long as you'd want it. If this is what you want, or if you want just a little bit of growth, you want whatever, you can have whatever you want. You just have to be willing to do the work and make the changes with.   some guidance and accountability. That's something that we do really well over here. Guidance, accountability, strategy, all of those pieces. So you tell us what you need. If you found yourself in this predicament or you found yourself in this story and you're like, take me to that next level, I'm tired too, or I'm not tired yet, but I'm afraid I'm gonna get there, call us. Send us an email, Hello@TheDentalATeam.com We're always here for you guys. We are so excited to bring you information like this, to bring you the tips and the guidelines.   Britt (23:51.418) Ha   The Dental A Team (24:01.275) Brett, thank you for taking this trail with me on this transformation and for your brilliant tips here. think the listeners are lucky to have you. So, Brett, thank you for being here with me today. Awesome.   Britt (24:14.309) Absolutely. You're the leader. You get to lead all the things here on podcasts and it's always fun to chat with you. I don't know. I always love the yin and yang. I love when people have different ideas. That's probably the fun of consulting is there's a million different ideas and let's talk about it.   The Dental A Team (24:30.162) I totally agree. I totally agree with that. Well, thank you for the accolades there. All right, guys, five star review below. Let us know that you love this content. If you see yourself in this, if you see yourself out of it, you want more information, reach out to us. You can schedule a free practice assessment with us. You can reach out to us, Hello@TheDentalATeam.com Message us here on all the...   Insta's, the Facebook's, the TikTok's, wherever you can find us, we're there on all of it. So thank you guys so much. Go enjoy your day. Let us know how we can best serve you and we'll catch you next time.  

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Today, we're tackling a critical leadership topic: how to build a business that thrives without being overly reliant on key individuals. If you've ever thought, “I can't do this without them,” this post is for you.The “I Can't Do It Without Them” Mindset - 00:02:05Many business leaders feel their business hinges on a few key people—top performers or long-time employees. While it's great to have strong contributors, relying too much on them creates vulnerabilities. The difference between not wanting to do business without someone and feeling like you can't is significant. The latter causes stress, fear, and bottlenecks.The Fragility of a Business Built on Key People - 00:04:02Over-reliance on key individuals creates bottlenecks, limits scalability, and risks burnout or turnover. If you'd feel your business couldn't survive without a few people, it's time to rethink how you operate. A resilient business distributes responsibilities and ensures no single person holds all the power.Red Flags of Control Freaks and Manipulators - 00:15:43Some team members position themselves as indispensable by avoiding delegation, hoarding knowledge, or resisting cross-training. Watch for these behaviors:Refusing Delegation: “No one else can do it as well as I can.”Withholding Information: Making it hard for others to access key knowledge.Overemphasizing Contributions: Constantly highlighting their importance to the business.Discouraging Cross-Training: Resisting redundancy to protect their perceived value.View Your Business as a System - 00:23:06Think of your business as a system with interconnected processes. Ask yourself: “Are our processes well-documented? Can someone step in seamlessly if needed?” This systems-based approach creates resilience and reduces dependency on individuals.Actionable Steps for Leaders - 00:25:04Document processes, especially for key roles.Cross-train team members to cover each other's responsibilities.Foster transparency and collaboration.Objectively evaluate contributions based on results, not perceptions.Address resistance to change boldly and directly.Avoid the Panic of Losing Top Performers - 00:28:05Standardizing processes and cross-training doesn't devalue key team members—it protects your business. It also empowers your entire team to grow and contribute more effectively.Join Us at Next-Level Leadership LIVE 2025! - 00:31:24Does your business feel overly dependent on key people? Join us April 2–4, 2025, for Next-Level Leadership LIVE, a transformative three-day event designed to help you lead smarter and build a business that runs smoothly without being overly dependent on any single individual.Registration opens December 2.Visit ChrisLoCurto.com/liveevents to secure your spot. Don't wait—this event could be the game-changer your business needs.Additional Resources - 00:35:57Listen to Episode 330, How to Lead an Uncoachable Team Member, to learn how to navigate tough conversations and lead with clarity.

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Get 15% off OneSkin with the code OPENING at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod OA1073 - This week we are serving up the sticky Turkish delight which is the US Attorney for the SDNY's 53-page speaking indictment against NYC mayor Eric Adams. Matt proudly explains why Boston is historically better at (among other things) corruption than New York before we get into the quid and the quo of it all. Finally, we review Adams's weird career as a public safety advocate and self-published author and consider what's next for this “true friend of Turkey.” U.S. v Eric Adams indictment (unsealed 9/26/24) Google Books excerpt of Don't Let it Happen, Eric Adams (self-published, 2009) If you'd like to support the show (and lose the ads!), please pledge at patreon.com/law!

This week on the Primo episode, Jesse and Katie discuss, yes, the cat thing. The Story Behind ‘They're Eating the Pets' - The New York TimesExplanation finally revealed for viral image of man holding geese that fueled bizarre pet-eating claims in Ohio | The IndependentHaitians Do Not Eat Pet Cats (But Some Cultures Do) | Psychology TodayThe moment in hi… To hear more, visit www.blockedandreported.org

In this episode, we're diving into why change can feel so challenging and how to navigate it effectively. You may have noticed that when you seek positive change, your life sometimes seems to fall apart or get harder. This can be confusing, especially when others around you seem comfortable in similar situations. Our lives are influenced by frequencies, which are shaped by our thoughts, actions, and environment. When you attempt to change your life, you also alter your frequency, creating friction with your existing patterns. This friction can make things uncomfortable and provoke resistance from those around you, who may prefer you to stay the same. When we start to change, it disrupts the frequency balance of our environment, including people and situations. This can lead to resistance from friends and family who feel unsettled by your transformation. They might not consciously intend to hold you back, but their discomfort with the shift can make it harder for you to move forward. Everything in our world, including food and experiences, has a frequency. If you're in a low frequency state, you may gravitate towards things that align with that state, even if they aren't beneficial. To change, you need to consciously align with higher frequencies by adjusting your thoughts, words, and actions to match the life you want to create. When you aim to transform your life, it requires you to consume and align with higher frequency elements, even if they feel foreign at first. It's essential to recognize that discomfort is a natural part of the process of change, and it's crucial to remain focused on the life you wish to build. Objectively examine your surroundings and internal thoughts. Reflect on whether they align with the person you want to become. By consciously choosing higher frequency thoughts and actions, you can gradually align yourself with your desired outcome. Ultimately, the discomfort of change is a necessary part of growth. The struggles you face are not punishments but opportunities for you to become who you are meant to be. Embrace the journey, knowing that each challenge is leading you towards a more fulfilling life. The path to change and growth is yours to navigate. You have the power to choose how you respond and evolve. Embrace this journey, knowing that every step you take is towards becoming the best version of yourself. - Henry ---- Social Media ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Say hi on TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Say Hi on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ---- Email Me ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠henry@vibeabundant.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ---- ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email List⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/positive-mindset-podcast/support