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Bobby& Kristian takes on the day's hottest topics in the world of sports, plus in-depth coverage of the Saints, LSU and Pelicans. WHO DAT!

Sports Talk with Bobby Hebert & Kristian Garic


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    Full Show 1-29-26: The DL class looks awesome at the Senior Bowl, BUT

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2026 137:03


    Mike and Charlie interviewed Ryan Roberts, an NFL Draft analyst for A to Z Sports, and sports reporter Tracy Cowley. Roberts evaluated Notre Dame WR Malachi Fields, a day two prospect at the Senior Bowl. Former Nicholls State head football coach Tim Rebowe and former MLB pitcher Scott Sanders joined Sports Talk. Steve and Charlie spoke to David Grubb, a Pelicans reporter for The Bird Writes, and Saints sideline reporter Jeff Nowak.

    Hour 1: Garrett Nussmeier has been the best QB at the Senior Bowl and it's not close

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2026 33:41


    Mike and Charlie interviewed Ryan Roberts, an NFL Draft analyst for A to Z Sports, and sports reporter Tracy Cowley. Roberts evaluated Notre Dame WR Malachi Fields, a day two prospect at the Senior Bowl. Roberts also shared his thoughts on LSU quarterback Garrett Nussmeier, the running backs in the draft, and the depth along the defensive line. Cowley praised Tiger head coach Lane Kiffin for building LSU's roster through the transfer portal, adding talent and depth.

    Hour 2: Division III WR Tyren Montgomery took a unique journey to the Senior Bowl

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2026 34:18


    Mike and Charlie interviewed former Nicholls State head football coach Tim Rebowe and former MLB pitcher Scott Sanders. Rebowe remembered his connection with Tyren Montgomery, a Division III wide receiver from John Carroll, who started his football career at Nicholls and has dominated the Senior Bowl. Sanders projected LSU's weekend rotation and praised the Tigers' pitching staff. Mike, Charlie, and Steve played their daily "Triple Option" segment.

    Hour 3: Losses have avalanched quickly for LSU basketball in SEC play

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2026 33:33


    Steve and Charlie lamented LSU basketball's 1-7 SEC record. The guys listened to Saints QB coach Scott Tolzien's media availability at the Senior Bowl. Tolzien discussed the report about his impending interview with the Pittsburgh Steelers for their offensive coordinator vacancy. David Grubb, a Pelicans reporter for The Bird Writes, joined Sports Talk. Grubb broke down New Orleans' options ahead of the trade deadline. Grubb shared his thoughts on Jordan Poole, Dejounte Murray, Yves Missi, and Saddiq Bey.

    Hour 4: Defensive linemen have been dominating the Senior Bowl

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2026 35:31


    Saints sideline reporter Jeff Nowak joined Sports Talk. Nowak reviewed LSU quarterback Garrett Nussmeier's performance at the Senior Bowl. He discussed Scott Tolzien's interview for the Steelers' offensive coordinator job. Nowak also gave the standout performers at the Senior Bowl. Steve and Charlie heard Senior Bowl audio from Nussmeier, NC State TE Justin Joly, and Georgia Tech OG Keylan Rutledge.

    Joly: I want to show scouts that I'm a consistent every-down tight end

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2026 9:02


    Steve and Charlie listened to NC State TE Justin Joly and Georgia Tech OG Keylan Rutledge at the Senior Bowl.

    Nussmeier: Dealing with an oblique injury was a feeling of "helplessness"

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2026 13:41


    Steve and Charlie listened to LSU quarterback Garrett Nussmeier's media availability at the Senior Bowl. Nussmeier discussed his oblique injury throughout his senior season at LSU, his week at the Senior Bowl, and his decision to return to Baton Rouge instead of declaring for the 2025 NFL Draft.

    Can Garrett Nussmeier make a similar rise post-Senior Bowl as Tyler Shough?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2026 11:00


    Saints sideline reporter Jeff Nowak joined Sports Talk. Nowak reviewed LSU quarterback Garrett Nussmeier's performance at the Senior Bowl. He discussed Scott Tolzien's interview for the Steelers' offensive coordinator job. Nowak also gave the standout performers at the Senior Bowl.

    The Pelicans will likely make some trades "on the edges," but nothing big

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2026 14:36


    David Grubb, a Pelicans reporter for The Bird Writes, joined Sports Talk. Grubb broke down New Orleans' options ahead of the trade deadline. Grubb shared his thoughts on Jordan Poole, Dejounte Murray, Yves Missi, and Saddiq Bey.

    Tolzien: Mike McCarthy has been huge for me as a player and a coach

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2026 8:19


    Steve and Charlie listened to Saints QB coach Scott Tolzien's media availability at the Senior Bowl. Tolzien discussed the report about his impending interview with the Pittsburgh Steelers for their offensive coordinator vacancy.

    Triple Option: Scott Tolzien, Jahri Evans, and NBA fines

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 4:07


    Mike, Steve, and Charlie played their daily "Triple Option" segment. Steve reviewed Scott Tolzien's interview with the Steelers for their offensive coordinator vacancy. Mike questioned whether Jahri Evans may have a spot on the Steelers' staff. Charlie criticized the NBA for fining Jeremiah Fears for the Pelicans' end-of-game scuffle with Oklahoma City.

    This may be Jay Johnson's best pitching staff top-to-bottom at LSU

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 18:25


    Former MLB pitcher Scott Sanders joined Sports Talk to preview LSU's upcoming baseball season. He projected the Tigers' weekend rotation, highlighting Casan Evans, Cooper Moore, and William Schmidt. Sanders also shared his thoughts on Gavin Guidry, Seth Dardar, Marcos Paz, Zach Yorke, and Cade Arrambide.

    Senior Bowl star WR Tyren Montgomery's football journey started at Nicholls State

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 10:36


    Former Nicholls State head football coach Tim Rebowe joined Sports Talk. Rebowe remembered his connection with Tyren Montgomery, a Division III wide receiver from John Carroll, who started his football career at Nicholls and has dominated the Senior Bowl.

    Lane Kiffin did "amazing" work to build talent AND depth in the portal

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 13:07


    Independent sports reporter Tracy Cowley joined Sports Talk. Cowley praised Tiger head coach Lane Kiffin for building LSU's roster through the transfer portal, adding talent and depth. Cowley shared her thoughts on the Tigers' defense, running backs, quarterbacks, and wide receivers.

    Notre Dame WR prospect Malachi Fields makes "the difficult look routine"

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 17:49


    Ryan Roberts, an NFL Draft analyst for A to Z Sports, joined Sports Talk. Roberts evaluated Notre Dame WR Malachi Fields, a day two prospect at the Senior Bowl. Roberts also shared his thoughts on LSU quarterback Garrett Nussmeier, the running backs in the draft, and the depth along the defensive line.

    Full Show 1-28-26: The Senior Bowl is confirming the depth of the 2026 NFL Draft

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 143:35


    Mike and Charlie discussed the Browns' decision to fill their coaching vacancy with Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Monken. Former LSU national championship-winning head coach Ed Orgeron and Saints legendary quarterback Drew Brees joined Sports Talk. Steve and Charlie interviewed Koki Riley, an LSU reporter for The Advocate, and Saints sideline reporter Jeff Nowak.

    Hour 1: Cleveland hired Ravens OC Todd Monken to fill their head coaching vacancy

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 32:58


    Mike and Charlie discussed the Browns' decision to fill their coaching vacancy with Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Monken. Former LSU national championship-winning head coach Ed Orgeron joined Sports Talk. Coach O remembered his connection with former LSU assistant Joe Brady and current Seahawks quarterback Sam Darnold. He praised Indiana head coach Curt Cignetti for leading the Hoosiers to a 16-0 campaign and the program's first National Championship. Coach O also shared his thoughts on Lane Kiffin, his coaching future, and his connections to players in the Super Bowl.

    Hour 2: Sam Darnold answered the call for Seattle down the stretch

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 37:33


    Saints legend Drew Brees joined Sports Talk. Brees remembered stories from his playing career in New Orleans, celebrated Seahawks quarterback Sam Darnold's rise to Super Bowl LX, and compared the 2025-26 Patriots to old era New England teams. Brees also evaluated Saints quarterback Tyler Shough's "rare trait." Mike and Charlie reported on Giannis Antetokounmpo's impending trade and the Pelicans' ugly loss to Oklahoma City last night. Mike, Charlie, and Steve played their daily "Triple Option" segment.

    Hour 3: We're in "wait and see" mode with the Pelicans ahead of the trade deadline

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 38:23


    Steve and Charlie previewed the NBA's trade deadline, highlighting the Pelicans' options. The guys listened to Saints GM Mickey Loomis' press availability at the Senior Bowl. Loomis shared his thoughts on the 2026 Draft class, the "nuances" of positional value, and the annual Senior Bowl event. Koki Riley, an LSU reporter for The Advocate, joined Sports Talk. Riley previewed the Tigers' upcoming 2026 baseball season, highlighting transfer pitcher Cooper Moore, LSU's new-look infield, catcher Cade Arrambide, and their loaded outfield.

    Hour 4: What day two prospects are standing out at the Senior Bowl?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 34:41


    Saints sideline reporter Jeff Nowak joined Sports Talk. Nowak broke down the second day of the annual Senior Bowl, highlighting LSU quarterback Garrett Nussmeier, a pair of talented day two wide receivers, and the loaded class of defensive linemen. Steve and Charlie listened to Saints assistant GM and director of college scouting Jeff Ireland's media availability at the Senior Bowl. Ireland discussed the scouting process at the Senior Bowl and praised New Orleans' coaching staff.

    Ireland: A player's draft grade doesn't jump up or down at the Senior Bowl, BUT

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 11:49


    Steve and Charlie listened to Saints assistant GM and director of college scouting Jeff Ireland's media availability at the Senior Bowl. Ireland discussed the scouting process at the Senior Bowl and praised New Orleans' coaching staff.

    The Senior Bowl is loaded with talent on the defensive line

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 19:15


    Saints sideline reporter Jeff Nowak joined Sports Talk. Nowak broke down the second day of the annual Senior Bowl, highlighting LSU quarterback Garrett Nussmeier, a pair of talented day two wide receivers, and the loaded class of defensive linemen.

    New LSU pitcher Cooper Moore, a Kansas transfer, is very impressive

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 16:40


    Koki Riley, an LSU reporter for The Advocate, joined Sports Talk. Riley previewed the Tigers' upcoming 2026 baseball season, highlighting transfer pitcher Cooper Moore, LSU's new-look infield, catcher Cade Arrambide, and their loaded outfield.

    Loomis: There are nuances to "positional value" in the NFL Draft

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 13:26


    Steve and Charlie listened to Saints GM Mickey Loomis' press availability at the Senior Bowl. Loomis shared his thoughts on the 2026 Draft class, the "nuances" of positional value, and the annual Senior Bowl event.

    Triple Option: Jim Mora, Archie Manning, & Darian Mensah

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 8:54


    Mike, Charlie, and Steve played their daily "Triple Option" segment. Steve and Mike shared the significance of today in Saints history. Charlie also discussed Darian Mensah's decision to transfer to Miami.

    Brees: Tyler Shough has a rare trait of fearlessness in the pocket

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 19:14


    Saints legend Drew Brees joined Sports Talk. Brees remembered stories from his playing career in New Orleans, celebrated Seahawks quarterback Sam Darnold's rise to Super Bowl LX, and compared the 2025-26 Patriots to old era New England teams. Brees also evaluated Saints quarterback Tyler Shough's "rare trait."

    Texas Tech's Lee Hunter and Jacob Rodriguez are standouts at the Senior Bowl

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 2:30


    Mike shared two defensive standouts at the Senior Bowl in Mobile.

    Coach O: Nick Saban should be the commissioner of college football

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 22:56


    Former LSU national championship-winning head coach Ed Orgeron joined Sports Talk. Coach O remembered his connection with former LSU assistant Joe Brady and current Seahawks quarterback Sam Darnold. He praised Indiana head coach Curt Cignetti for leading the Hoosiers to a 16-0 campaign and the program's first National Championship. Coach O also shared his thoughts on Lane Kiffin, his coaching future, and his connections to players in the Super Bowl.

    Full Show 1-27-26: The Saints can fill multiple roster holes with Senior Bowl prospects

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 137:45


    Mike and Charlie discussed Buffalo's decision to promote OC Joe Brady to be the organization's next head coach. The guys interviewed Chrissy Smith, a podcaster for "The Kneaux," and Saints sideline reporter Jeff Nowak. Mike and Charlie slammed the voting committee for leaving Bill Belichick off the Pro Football Hall of Fame ballot in his first year of eligibility. Audacy NFL Insider Mark Schlereth joined Sports Talk to discuss the NFL Playoffs. Steve and Charlie spoke to credentialed NBA reporter Oleh Kosel about New Orleans' upcoming schedule and the 2026 trade deadline.

    Hour 1: Joe Brady is getting his first head coaching opportunity in Buffalo

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 34:21


    Mike and Charlie discussed Buffalo's decision to promote OC Joe Brady to be the organization's next head coach. The guys interviewed Chrissy Smith, a podcaster for "The Kneaux," and Saints sideline reporter Jeff Nowak. Smith broke down the Pelicans' winning streak and the upcoming NBA trade deadline. Nowak recapped the first day of the Senior Bowl, highlighting LSU quarterback Garrett Nussmeier and the Saints' needs at nose guard, running back, offensive guard, and tight end.

    Hour 2: Somehow, Bill Belichick isn't a first-ballot Pro Football Hall of Famer

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 33:36


    Mike and Charlie slammed the voting committee for leaving Bill Belichick off the Pro Football Hall of Fame ballot in his first year of eligibility. Mike gave a few prospects he's watching at the Senior Bowl. Audacy NFL Insider Mark Schlereth joined Sports Talk. Schlereth recapped the NFL's Conference Championship weekend, highlighting the Seahawks' dominant rise, the Broncos' mistake against the Patriots, and New England's underrated defense. Mike, Charlie, and Steve played their daily "Triple Option" segment.

    Hour 3: Joe Dumars shouldn't budge from his high price tags ahead of the deadline

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 36:03


    Steve and Charlie discussed the Pelicans' options ahead of the 2026 NBA trade deadline. The guys listened to Pelicans sideline reporter Andrew Lopez's interviews with rookies Jeremiah Fears and Derik Queen, two players selected to the NBA's annual Rising Stars Game. Credentialed NBA reporter Oleh Kosel joined Sports Talk. Kosel previewed the Pelicans' matchup against the OKC Thunder. He refuted the reports about New Orleans' pursuit of Ja Morant, explained why he wants the Pelicans to keep Yves Missi, and broke down New Orleans' upcoming schedule.

    Hour 4: Is Demario Davis a lock to come back to the Saints in 2026?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 33:45


    Steve and Charlie discussed Kay Adams' interview with Saints linebacker Demario Davis and questioned his future in New Orleans. The guys listened to audio from the Senior Bowl featuring Saints running backs coach Joel Thomas and Texas Tech linebacker Jacob Rodriguez.

    Rodriguez: I'm happy to compete at the Senior Bowl

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 6:13


    Steve and Charlie listened to Texas Tech linebacker Jacob Rodriguez's interview with Saints sideline reporter Jeff Nowak at the Senior Bowl.

    Thomas: We're trying to find the guys who love football at the Senior Bowl

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 10:11


    Steve and Charlie listened to Saints running backs coach Joel Thomas' press availability at the Senior Bowl. Coach Thomas explained what he's looking for in the event. The guys emphasized the importance of the Senior Bowl to the Saints' scouting process.

    After returning from his injury, Saddiq Bey has been on fire

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 15:57


    Credentialed NBA reporter Oleh Kosel joined Sports Talk. Kosel previewed the Pelicans' matchup against the OKC Thunder. He refuted the reports about New Orleans' pursuit of Ja Morant, explained why he wants the Pelicans to keep Yves Missi, and broke down New Orleans' upcoming schedule.

    Jeremiah Fears and Derik Queen are both in the NBA's 2026 "Rising Stars" Game

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2026 6:07


    Steve and Charlie listened to Pelicans sideline reporter Andrew Lopez's interviews with rookies Jeremiah Fears and Derik Queen, two players selected to the NBA's annual Rising Stars Game.

    Triple Option: Shedeur Sanders, Bill Belichick, and Darrell Jackson Jr.

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 5:07


    Mike, Charlie, and Steve played their daily "Triple Option" segment. Steve slammed the NFL's decision to send Browns QB Shedeur Sanders to the Pro Bowl. Mike criticized the Pro Football Hall of Fame committee for leaving Bill Belichick off the ballot. Mike also highlighted Florida State's Darrell Jackson Jr., a defensive tackle at the Shrine Bowl.

    Schlereth: Under Mike Vrabel, the Patriots' defense has been "damn good"

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 19:43


    Audacy NFL Insider Mark Schlereth joined Sports Talk. Schlereth recapped the NFL's Conference Championship weekend, highlighting the Seahawks' dominant rise, the Broncos' mistake against the Patriots, and New England's underrated defense.

    The Senior Bowl is a major opportunity for Garrett Nussmeier

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 16:56


    Saints sideline reporter Jeff Nowak joined Sports Talk. Nowak recapped the first day of the Senior Bowl, highlighting LSU quarterback Garrett Nussmeier and the Saints' needs at nose guard, running back, offensive guard, and tight end.

    The Pelicans are 7-0 with Herb Jones and Saddiq Bey on the court

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 8:22


    Chrissy Smith, a podcaster for "The Kneaux," joined Sports Talk. Smith broke down the Pelicans' winning streak entering a massive road test against the OKC Thunder. She evaluated New Orleans' two "Rising Star" rookies, reported on Dejounte Murray's recovery from a torn Achilles, and praised Yves Missi's development. Smith also previewed the NBA Trade Deadline.

    Full Show 1-26-26: Patriots fans haven't suffered enough, but they're already back in the Super Bowl

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 138:39


    Bobby and Mike recapped the AFC and NFC Championship Games. Bobby highlighted a major mistake by Broncos head coach Sean Payton against the Patriots, along with the elite quarterback play from Sam Darnold and Matthew Stafford. The guys spoke to WWL listeners about the 2026 NFL Draft, the NFC Championship, and Super Bowl LX. Mike and Bobby interviewed Ryan Fowler, the host of "The Game" on Tide 100.9, and Wilson Alexander, an LSU reporter for The Advocate. Seahawks radio sideline reporter Jen Mueller and Tom Carroll, a digital content manager for WEEI, also joined Second Guess for an early Super Bowl LX preview.

    Hour 1: Sean Payton made a major mistake in the AFC Championship Game

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 32:24


    Bobby and Mike recapped the AFC and NFC Championship Games. Bobby highlighted a major mistake by Broncos head coach Sean Payton against the Patriots, along with the elite quarterback play from Sam Darnold and Matthew Stafford. The guys spoke to WWL listeners about the 2026 NFL Draft and the NFC Championship.

    Hour 2: The NFL will go to an 18-game regular season with two bye weeks soon

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 34:42


    Mike and Bobby reviewed the NFL's "cyclical" nature. Bobby explained that the NFC was better than the AFC this season. The guys spoke to WWL listeners about the Saints' needs in the NFL Draft, the impending expansion of the NFL regular season, and the Super Bowl LX matchup. Mike, Bobby, and Charlie played their daily "Triple Option" segment.

    Hour 3: A lot of new NFL punters are coming from Australia

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 37:20


    Bobby and Mike spoke to a WWL listener about the NFC Championship Game and the new era of NFL punters. The guys interviewed Ryan Fowler, the host of "The Game" on Tide 100.9, and Wilson Alexander, an LSU reporter for The Advocate. Fowler discussed the future of Alabama's quarterback position after Ty Simpson declared for the NFL Draft. Alexander reviewed Tiger head coach Lane Kiffin's work to address LSU's premium positions in the transfer portal.

    Hour 4: Jaxon Smith-Njigba was the best receiver in the NFL in 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 34:13


    Mike and Bobby interviewed Seahawks radio sideline reporter Jen Mueller and Tom Carroll, the digital content manager for WEEI. Mueller shared her thoughts on Seahawks GM John Schneider, head coach Mike Macdonald, and Seattle's young building blocks. Carroll celebrated Mike Vrabel's incredible debut season leading the Patriots and quarterback Drake Maye's year two leap.

    Can the Patriots capture a record seventh Super Bowl championship?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 15:57


    Tom Carroll, the digital content manager for WEEI, joined Second Guess. Carroll celebrated Mike Vrabel's incredible debut season leading the Patriots and quarterback Drake Maye's year two leap. He explained that Maye has to be better vs. Seattle if New England wants a chance to win the Super Bowl. Carroll also emphasized the importance of the Patriots surpassing the Steelers for the most Super Bowls in NFL history.

    Seahawks GM John Schneider earned his Executive of the Year Award

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 16:09


    Seahawks radio sideline reporter Jen Mueller joined Second Guess. Mueller discussed the atmosphere in Seattle after they returned to the Super Bowl. Mueller shared her thoughts on Seahawks GM John Schneider, head coach Mike Macdonald, and Seattle's young building blocks.

    Lane Kiffin upgraded all of LSU's "premium positions" in the portal

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 15:37


    Wilson Alexander, an LSU reporter for The Advocate, joined Second Guess. Alexander reviewed Tiger head coach Lane Kiffin's work to address LSU's premium positions in the transfer portal. He shared his thoughts on the Tigers' quarterback room, the modern era of recruiting and developing, and the arguments over expanding the College Football Playoff.

    With Ty Simpson going to the NFL Draft, what's next at QB for Alabama?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 13:29


    Ryan Fowler, the host of "The Game" on Tide 100.9, joined Second Guess. Fowler discussed the future of Alabama's quarterback position after Ty Simpson declared for the NFL Draft. He compared Alabama's work in the transfer portal to what LSU has accomplished. Fowler also evaluated Crimson Tide TE Josh Cuevas, a prospect in the 2026 NFL Draft.

    Triple Option: Omar Cooper Jr., Chris Olave, & Sam Darnold

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 26, 2026 11:29


    Mike, Bobby, and Charlie played their daily "Triple Option" segment. Mike discussed Indiana WR Omar Cooper Jr.'s decision to declare for the 2026 NFL Draft. Bobby praised Saints WR Chris Olave for earning All-Pro recognition for his 2025 campaign. Charlie reviewed Sam Darnold's historic victory over the Rams.

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