The Last Human Voice Podcast

Get in touch to submit a question or send us your feedback. We bring Season 2 to a close with some reflections on the long-running soap opera that is our collective relationship with AI.Each of us chooses what we consider to be a Win in the saga so far, as well as one Fail and one Prediction.In the best soap opera tradition we have heroes and villains, school bullies, an evil twin, a dream sequence, and a cat called Cyrano. 

Get in touch to submit a question or send us your feedback. A brand new Government report has landed. Same old, same old? We think not!The Report into British Film and High-End Television has been published by UK House of Commons' Culture, Media and Sport Committee. At more then 100 pages, it's not a quick read, so we've gone in first for you.We focus in on what it says about IP and the impact of AI, picking through our highlights of the Report's conclusions and recommendations.Listen to find out what Marcus finds gobsmacking, what made Annette punch the air and why we give Mathilde a standing ovation...The report can be found here: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5901/cmselect/cmcumeds/328/report.html

Get in touch to submit a question or send us your feedback. The third international AI Summit has graced the Grand Palais in Paris. Mathilde was the recipient of a golden ticket and can therefore spill the beans on what actually happens at these global summits.What was it like to be an invited guest, milling about with tech bros and world leaders? What - if anything - do summits like these achieve?And, most importantly, how did Mathilde end up as part of President Macron's security detail?

Get in touch to submit a question or send us your feedback. Late in 2024, the UK government launched a Consultation on Copyright and Artificial Intelligence. The questions - all 47 of them - asked a range of questions, including whether UK Law should allow free access to protected content for AI training. It also made it clear that it had a preferred option. What it probably hadn't anticipated was the swell of public opinion, even as the consultation closed.In the LHV Guest Spotlight this time is Tim Carter, a solicitor turned tech consultant, who has worked with tech companies of all sizes, from Google to Flawless AI. Importantly, Tim, has worked for tech developers serving the creative industries, which gives him an unusually broad perspective. So -  open to consultation or just open to Big Tech? 

Get in touch to submit a question or send us your feedback. In Season 1,  we delved into what happens to our digital remains once our mortal bodies are well and truly shuffled off.  This time, we take a different posthumous angle with heritage researchers Dr Jenny Kidd and Dr Eva Nieto MacAvoy from the University of Cardiff. Museum professionals and curators care deeply about authenticity, truth, community and connection – much like artists. For Jenny and Eva, the ethics of weaving technology into our memory of the past is at the heart of their work. They have written about the impact of platforms like DeepNostalgia or DeepStory on how people relate to their family history and heritage.  We learn that Algorithm-powered nostalgia can take leafing through your family photo album to unexpected places.

Get in touch to submit a question or send us your feedback. Another year, another strike. On our very first episode, back in 2023, we covered the actors' union strike in the US. We return to the topic as SAG AFTRA is leading what may become the longest strike in the history of the union. To give it its full name - The Interactive Media (Video Game) Strike.The main sticking point? Yep - AI.Tim Friedlander, voice-actor and President of NAVA, the National Association of Voice Actors, makes a welcome return to take us through the strike, the early signs from the new US administration and some surprising tangents.

Get in touch to submit a question or send us your feedback. The use of AI to enhance actors' accents in the film The Brutalist  has made headlines and drawn considerable negatve backlash.Away from sensationalist takes and knee-jerk reactions, the response may be less about the use of AI and more about the transparency of where and how it is used. Sociologist Dr Jenn Chubb and Law Professor Dr Peter Harrison from the University of York are currently leading research in this very area. They join us to discuss the implications of voice cloning in law and in life. 

Ah, the excitement of Tax Return season!In this episode, we double down on the joys of Tax. Specifically, we're talking about tax relief in film productions. Why? Because, in a departure from the previous government, Labour recently introduced new rules that mean AI-related costs are subject to tax relief.Sam Radclyffe is an Entertainment & Media Rights Executive, Producer and Entrepreneur. We've spoken with Sam before in our episode, "Own your Clone", in his role as founder of Galatea, a Digital Twin Library and Management Company. His multiple professional "hats" give him a broad perspective on the implications of the changes and what they mean for people working in the world of Film production.

Between 2020 and 2024, the UK has had four Prime Ministers and a long running  game of Musical Chairs in the relevant government departments. What we still don't have is a unified, coherent policy on AI and Artists' Rights. In this episode, our guest is Nicola Solomon, a solicitor, consultant on policy and law in the creative industries and, until recently, the Chair of the Creators' Rights Alliance.What progress has she seen in the last few years and what hope has that given her for what might be expected from a Labour government?Moreover, what can we as individuals do to make our voices heard?Since this episode was recorded in December, the UK government has launched its AI and Copyright Consultation, which will be open until 25th February 2025.

Dr Mathilde Pavis has questions. A lot of questions. Which she likes to spring on her unsuspecting co-hosts. In the previous episode, Patrick Messe from United Voice Artists talked about the difficulty of engaging policymakers and regulators on Artists' Rights, when there are wars happening and governments collapsing.It's a fair question - and for artists and creatives of all types - an existential one: why, with so much happening in the world, should we care about artists and campaign for their rights?

One of our previous guests, Patrick Messe, of United Voice Artists returns for a crossover episode between The Last Human Voice and Mic Rider Deep Talk, Patrick's own podcast.We talk about the Brussels Effect, kicking off our chat in Germany, which allows us to do some Compare and Contrast. What impact has the EU AI Act had since its introduction in the summer of 2024?What can we learn from the first legal actions testing the law in Germany and from German academics trying to clarify the boundaries of copyright infringement? And last, but not least, what has that got to do with Mathilde's feet?

Mathilde hijacks this episode with a question directed at co-hosts, Marcus and Annette. No warning. No prepping.They hesitate, they prevaricate, they talk about moving to Alaska. But do they answer the question?You'll have to listen to find out.

Most discussions about AI start with topic of "data mining". But how many of us are clear about what it is and how it works? And how can we be expected to care about something if we don't understand what it is?Even leaders, decision makers, artists, creatives - all of us - need a safe space to go and learn about it without the pressure or judgement.This episode is that safe space.

In the first episode of Season 2, we look at the role of AI in Journalism.  Are journalists facing a vicious cycle of generating click bait to drive revenue to keep media companies afloat to pay journalists to generate more click bait? Is AI making it worse - or might it offer a more positive future for journalism?Our guest, pete Pachal of Media CoPilot is of the latter opinion. He is confident that AI can liberate journalists from the more onerous, less rewarding tasks that have always been part of the job, allowing them to focus on the human side of the stories they cover. He also introduces us to Channel 1, a news channel in the making, which promises a "personalized global news network", fronted by entirely AI generated presenters, breaking real, factually accurate news.As you'll imagine, we have questions...

Copyright Law is in our sights as we reach our Season 1 finale.  Dr Andres Guadamuz is a Reader in Intellectual Property Law at the University of Sussex and the Editor in Chief of the Journal of World Intellectual Property. He is also the brain and pen behind the online publication ‘TechnoLlama'.He joins us to answer some of our many questions about protection Copyright can - and cannot - offer artists and creatives. What does "Fair Use" really mean? What constitutes copyright infringement? Do rulings in different countries mean anything abroad? And, crucially, what is a TechnoLlama?

Let's talk about death. Have you considered how you want your digital remains (yes, that's the correct term) to be treated after you're gone?Photos on Facebook, TikTok videos, LinkedIn profiles, demos, self-tapes, emails sent and received; everything you have ever uploaded or shared, whether personally or professionally, will digitally outlive you.Dr Edina Harbinja is a Reader in Media and Privacy Law at the University of Aston. She is a pioneer and expert in her field and author of the book, "Digital Death, Digital Assets and Post-mortem Privacy".She joins us to explain more about our digital remains, what is and is not protected by existing legislation and how we might be able to better protect our digital legacies.And you can read "Digital Remains and Post-mortem Privacy in the UK: What do users want?" co-authored by Dr Harbinja at:https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4813651

What does it look like to do business with clones in a way which puts the artist at the centre of the deal? That's not just our question, but the question posed by Sam Radclyffe. Sam is an experienced entertainment and media rights executive, film producer, and entrepreneur. His answer is Galatea Holdings.Galatea is a Digital Twin Library and Management Company, which proposes a different business model from the ones we've seen so far.  The aim is to partner with artists and performers in shared ownership of your clone, ensuring that you retain control of your digital twin.Sam shares his own observations of the industry, how it treats artists and Intellectual Property rights and how a fresh approach might help keep humans at the heart of the industry.

In this episode we take a look at very recent deals that tech giants have made with media and content platforms to train their AI models, with consent. We are asking: is the tide turning for training AI towards a licensing model, and away from crawling the web in the wild? In recent months Open AI has made deals with at least 11 companies, to access their content for the purpose of training AI technologies. Those companies include Shutterstock, Le Monde, News Corp, The Financial Times, Vox Media and the Associated Press. What might  this mean for freelancers contracting with those companies in future  ? And have the tech giants got themselves a cheap deal ?

The story of UVA (United Voice Artists) is a lesson in organising, not just for Creative Workers, but for everyone affected by AI - which is to say, Everyone.Co-President, Patrick Messe, explains the urgent need for representation that brought together unions, guilds and other professional bodies, ahead of the EU AI Act. Their cross border collaboration  ensured their voices were heard by politicians and legislators.From France to Turkey, Poland to South America, they have focussed on their shared purpose of protecting Artists' rights, preserving human creativity and safeguarding the livelihoods of their members.And the story isn't over yet. To read the UVA Guidelines visit: https://unitedvoiceartists.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/UVA-AI-GUIDLINES.pdf

Should the creation of Deepfakes be a protected right under the banner of Free Speech?How do existing laws balance our right to Free Speech with our Right to Privacy?Dr Dimitri Kagiaros is Assistant Professor in Law at the University of Durham and an expert on the regulation of Freedom of Expression. He has written extensively on the topic and his work has influenced changes in the law to preserve freedom of expression.Most recently, he has collaborated with our own Dr Mathilde Pavis on a (soon to be published) paper which examines whether freedom of expression can be interpreted to create a ‘right to' deepfake people with - or, more controversially -  without their consent.So, what might the legal parameters be for content creators wishing to exploit Deepfake technology for artistic, commercial or even personal use?We're so glad you asked...

This time, we get a philosopher's take on AI.Jumbly Grindrod is a lecturer in philosophy at the University of Reading. He specializes in the philosophy of language and epistemology, which refers to the theory of knowledge itself.Does it - or should it - matter to us whether AI or a human being is talking, writing or engaging with us?What happens when we start regarding Artificial Intelligence as sentient or human? And does generative AI bring anything new, in terms of questions, concepts or challenges, to a philosopher... or is it just a new shape given to  age-old questions about what is real and what it means to be fully human?

In this episode, we select from the latest AI stories that have grabbed the headlines  or slipped by stealth into our feeds. From the miscommunication that made Mamma Mia actor, Sara Poyzer, trend on Twitter, to the discovery of Marvin Gaye's long lost demos, we look at legislation, regulation and how artists and creative performers are responding to the relentless pace of AI development.When - if ever - is it acceptable to put words in someone's mouth?  Can Voluntary Codes provide sufficient protection for human content creators? And could your digital avatar still be performing and creating, long after your final curtain call?

Much of the fear generated by AI is about theft; the companies that own  the technology will steal your image, replicate your voice and replace you with an AI version of you that takes your job.But perhaps it doesn't have to be that way.Since their collaboration on the documentary "Gerry Anderson: A Life Uncharted", Ben Field and Jamie Anderson have continued to work together under the banner of their production company, Deep Fusion Films. Their pioneering use of AI, coupled with their ethical approach to its use in film making means that they are now regularly consulted by industry partners and organisations looking to use AI responsibly.They talk to us about how their own approach has developed, how they envisage the future of AI in film and whether they have found an "ick" line in AI use that they're not prepared to cross...

How would it feel to see a digital deepfake of someone you love who has died?  What would you need to consider before  agreeing to create it?Jamie Anderson and Ben Field can answer both of these questions and more. "Gerry Anderson: A Life Uncharted" is their 2022 documentary about the life and work of Gerry Anderson, TV and film producer, director, write and technical pioneer - and Jamie's father.Together, Ben and Jamie crafted a fascinating and often moving documentary from hours of film footage, TV programmes, photos and interviews. They also created a deepfake version of Jamie's Dad to bring his own words back to life.They talk in detail about their pioneering work in merging AI technology with content that is profoundly human. 

Dr Dominic Lees is an award-winning filmmaker and director. He is also Associate Professor of Filmmaking at the University of Reading, with a research specialism in deepfakes.  In 2019, "Virtual Maggie" was among his projects, exploring how AI technology could be used to resurrect Margaret Thatcher for a contemporary drama called  "Rebel Bus".Dr Lees joined us for an in-depth discussion of the practical and ethical questions raised by digital deepfakes.  How far has AI come since 2019? What creative tensions can result from using technology that's still in development? And why, of all the people one could "resurrect", did he choose Margaret Thatcher?

Who is going to own your clone? Who gets to control your digital double after you're dead? And what kind of deal can unions do for the departed?In the second of two episodes dedicated to unpicking  the SAG-AFTRA Deal, we move on from the rules and requirements for the creation and use of "employment-based replicas". These are replicas tied to specific motion pictures.Our focus this time is on "independently created digital replicas": those that have been created by the performer themselves (or other companies and agencies) for use in any project - now, or in the future...

On the 14th of July 2023, the American actors' union ‘SAG-AFTRA' joined the strike already begun by the WGA (Writers' Guild of America.)  The dispute with the AMPTP (Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers) was about pay, working conditions and AI.An interim deal was struck in November and approved by SAG-AFTRA members on the 5th of December 2023.So, what's in the deal and what do we think of it?

Our guest in this episode is Yvonne Muinde,  an award-winning visual effects artist whose credit list takes in a range of iconic films, including the Planet of the Apes, The Hobbit,  and Avatar. An established fine artist, Yvonne's work has featured in several collections, including the The Chemistry of Color Collection at the Philadelphia Museum of Fine Art. She currently works and creates out of her studio, Ikweta Arts, located in Nairobi, Kenya.Yvonne shares her thoughts on the expanding role of AI in film-making and the expectations that go with that, of her concerns for the next generation of visual artists  and of her own experience, navigating the path from traditional to digital artist and back again.

“A ground-breaking, innovative new contract”; that's the headline for the deal negotiated between SAG-AFTRA, the US Actors' union and Replica, the company using AI to create digital voice replicas.What does the deal cover? What does it omit? As the first agreement of its kind, what could it mean for actors and performers both in and outside the US? And is it truly “ground-breaking”?In this episode, we talk through the details and sum up what we believe to be the pros and cons of the new deal.

What does it mean to have your voice or performance cloned? Is there a difference between cloning and synthesis?If I agree to the creation of my digital double, do I have any say in what it does next? And wherever it goes, will the Law be running to catch up?Put simply, do I want to be a clone?

The phrase "Know your worth" is often repeated among artists, performers and other freelance workers who have the responsibility for negotiating their own rates and terms of employment for every job they do. But how do you go about valuing yourself and your work? And how do you then convey that to an employer, especially in a landscape where cost, rather than creativity, seems to be the driving force?That's the focus of this shorter episode, discussing how we put a price on our skills and how the Law can underpin those tricky conversations about fees and fairness.

Agents are the hard-negotiating, multi-tasking, contract-savvy industry experts, working to match the Talent they represent with paying clients. In what can be long contractual chains, agents provide a layer of protection for performers, who trust them to act in their best interest.Our guest this time is Daniel Hinchliffe, managing director of the Soundcheck Group which includes a UK talent agency for actors and performers in theatre, tv, film and radio and also looks after directors and choreographers.Daniel also happens to have a Law degree, a Master's degree in Intellectual Property Law, specialising in Copyright Law and Artificial Intelligence, which has now led him to a PhD in the same area. All of the which means that Daniel is singularly well qualified to discuss the significance of Artificial Intelligence not only for Performance, but for the safeguarding of contracts, for the relationship between artists and agents and for the future role of agents, themselves…

The EU Artificial Intelligence Act has been described as the most ambitious attempt to date at creating a legal framework for AI.We are joined this time by Dragos Tudorache, Member of the European Parliament, Vice-President of the Renew Europe Group and - as one of two Rapporteurs leading on the proposed Act - a key figure in policy making. What is the role of a Rapporteur? What does it mean to regulate or legislate for AI? What is different about the approach the EU is taking? And what might all of this mean for the day to day lives of performers and creative workers, within Europe and around the world?

What does the term "Buyout" mean?  What's the best way to respond to buyout requests from clients?And if you've agreed to a buyout, does that mean you consent to any and all uses - even to AI imitations of your voice/performance without additional consent or payment?  In a discussion that ranges from fertiliser to Freedom of Contract, taking in Spandau Ballet, travel agents and Cannibalism on the way, we look at the good, the bad and the meaningless of the term "Buyout".

In this episode, we talk about performers' moral rights. What are they? Who is entitled to them? And can they help performers and other creatives to protect themselves and their work from potential AI abuses?

How celebrated artist Jake Elwes is queering AI data sets and  challenging big tech to think about gender, cultural bias and ethics in data mining through their creative practice.For more on Jake and their work, visit:  https://www.jakeelwes.com/

How unions are taking active steps to champion artists and performers who are facing job displacement and replacement by AI. We speak to Liam Budd, Industrial Officer for Audio and New Media within Equity , the British union for creative workers 

For Artists, AI offers an exciting toolkit - particularly tools  for performance synthesis. But alongside the creative opportunities looms a potential threat to their creative  futures. Annette, Mathilde and Marcus talk with composer,  musician  and technologist, Sarah Angliss, about her integration of technology and music and her experiences of working with AI. Sarah considers some of the ethical dilemmas presented by AI and also tells us why we've been here before. Surprisingly, the answer involves clog dancing...

Why have America's actors and writers gone on strike? And is why AI so important in the biggest Hollywood artists' strike since 1960?Tim Friedlander is founder of the National Association of Voice Artists (NAVA). Tim chats with Marcus, Mathilde and Annette about current events in the US.He explains what has led SAG-AFTRA and the Writers' Guild of America (WGA) to take action. Who is striking and why and what are the possible outcomes for actors and writers?