A Sounds Like Adventure podcast all about people doing great work in the tabletop world. On this show, we'll speak to the independent creators making the games we all love.
In this episode, Andie from Margomods Games returns to the show! Andie is about to launch a new Kickstarter, Exoecology for monster hunters, and in the chat, they break down everything you need to know about the campaign. Jack and Andie also dive into the new MCDM system, Flee Mortals. Resources and links: Margomods Games website Margomods on Threads Margomods on Bluesky Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Twitch Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Jack on Instagram See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's special mini episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Harry from Cavalier RPG Adventures. In the chat Harry talks about how he's making D&D for kids and his Kickstarter, The Golden Oasis. Resources and links: The Golden Oasis on Kickstarter Cavalier RPG Adventures on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Twitch Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Jack on Instagram See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In this episode, to celebrate the launch of his Patreon (TODAY!) Arlentric makes his second appearance on the show! Arlentric aka Arlo is a prolific Australian D&D content creator and main cast on Sounds Like Adventure. Recently Arlo made the plunge and went full time with content creation. In the chat Arlo breaks down the moment that forced him to back himself with content creation, how things have been since he made the leap and he shares a big exciting announcement. Resources and links: Arlentric on Patreon Arlentric on YouTube Arlentric on TikTok Arlentric on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Twitch Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Jack on Instagram See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In this episode, Jack is joined by Cloudkill Connor. Connor is the founder of Cloudkill Clothing, a clothing company making some extremely cool D&D apparel. In the chat, Connor breaks down the story behind Cloudkill, he talks about his recent forays into content creation with Castleton and we try to answer the classic question, is it possible to make D&D clothing that isn't cringe? Resources and links: Cloudkill Clothing Cloudkill Connor on Twitch Cloudkill Connor on TikTok Cloudkill Connor on YouTube Cloudkill Connor on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Twitch Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Jack on Instagram See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today’s episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Maddy aka Maddaloon. Maddy is a TTRPG content creator, twitch streamer and pro DM. In the chat, Maddy shares how she got into content creation. She breaks down how she fell into tabletop RPGs, she talks about her actual play campaign Dungeons and Demigods and Maddy shares the moment when she found herself in a discord server with everyone she's ever followed. Resources and links: Maddaloon on Twitch Maddaloon on TikTok Maddaloon on YouTube Maddaloon on Instagram Maddaloon on Start Playing Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Twitch Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Jack on Instagram See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today’s episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Dragyn Jane aka the Heavy Metal Gamemaster. Dragyn is a content creator, twitch streamer and independent author. In the chat, Dragyn explains how he got into tabletop games, he breaks down his book series and TTRPG setting 'Echoes of Ragnarok', and Dragyn shares one thing you may not know about being an independent author. Resources and links: Dragyn Jane's website Dragyn Jane on Twitch Dragyn Jane on TikTok Dragyn Jane on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today’s episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Ross the gamemaster, editor and co-host of Blades of Mayari. Blades of Mayari is an actual play podcast inspired by pre-colonial Filipino Mythology. In the chat, Ross explains why he decided to focus on this topic, the importance of representation and Ross explains how he got into tabletop games. Resources and links: Blades of Mayari website Blades of Mayari on Instagram Blades of Mayari on Threads Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today’s episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Matt and Kat the co-founders of Tres Gatitos an Australian independent board game creator. In the chat, Kat and Matt talk about their upcoming game Blasphemy, Matt shares some D&D stories and they both share the surprising story of how they got into board game design. Resources and links: Burningstarpress.com Burning star press on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Anthony from Burning Star Press. Anthony is a game designer with over 40 years of experience in the TTRPG industry. In the chat, Anthony talks about his journey in game design up until now, breaks down how his love affair with TTRPGs started with choose-your-own adventure novels, and Anthony shares what's coming up in the future for Burning Star Press. Resources and links: Burningstarpress.com Burning star press on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Nic from Warsurge. Warsurge is a universal independent wargaming system. In the chat, Nic talks about his journey in wargaming up until now, he breaks down how Warsurge got started and Nic shares his learnings from the very successful Kickstarter campaign that the game had in 2022. Resources and links: Warsurge.com Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Matt 'Briefcase' Brown. Matt is a pro DM and the host and producer of Split The Party.In the chat, Matt talks about his journey up until now, he breaks down how Split The Table got started and Matt shares the differences he sees between Pro DMing and DMing home games. Resources and links: Split the Party on Instagram Split the Party on Twitch Split the Party on YouTube Split the Party on Linktree Matt on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Erin, the Dragon Master for Let's Roll for Dragons. In the chat, Erin takes us through her journey up until now, she talks about how Let's Roll for Dragons got started and Erin shares how she may have accidentally added a few too many dragons to the dragon table. Resources and links: Let's Roll for Dragons on Twitch Let's Roll for Dragons on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Michael Low from Luck of Legends. Michael is a teacher and game designer making games for kids and learning in general.In the chat, Michael takes you through his game Stories RPG, he shares the moment he realised the learning power of TTRPGs and he shares something that TTRPGs do, that nothing else does. Resources and links: Luck of Legends website Stories RPG podcast Luck of Legends on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Arlo aka. Arlentric. Arlo is one of the most recognisable Australian TTRPG content creators in the space.In the chat, Arlo takes us through his journey up until now, he talks about how he almost became a Stardew Valley content creator and Arlo shares the amazing moment he became a YouTube partner. Resources and links: Arlentric on YouTube Arlentric on TikTok Arlentric on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Nathan, co-host of the AARPG podcast. AARPG stands for, Advanced Age Role Playing Gamers and the show is all about Nathan's long-running gaming group.In the chat, Nathan talks about how the podcast began, how there are games other than D&D to experience and Jack and Nathan discuss whether or not sound design is necessary in actual play podcasts. Resources and links: AARPG Website AARPG on Instagram AARPG on YouTube Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Dan, the founder of Ausdice. Ausdice is an Australian dice reseller selling a range of dice at affordable prices.In the chat, Dan talks about the moment he founded the business, how surprisingly expensive dice can be and Dan explores what it is about dice that is so appealing to TTRPG players. Resources and links: Ausdice Website Ausdice on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Andie from MargoMods. Andie is an independent writer, producing dynamic supplements for 5e with really nuanced NPCs.In the chat, Andie will talk about their upcoming Kickstarter campaign 'Murders at Lorelahc Manor', why you should back it and the importance of having complex NPCs in your campaigns. Resources and links: Murders at Lorelahc Manor on Kickstarter MargoMods on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by SJ McKeen. SJ is a voice actor, streamer and the creator of The World of Evindale.In the chat, SJ will share the story of how he created the World of Evindale (over 40 years ago!), how his voice acting career began and SJ will get vulnerable and explore his personal struggle with imposter syndrome. Resources and links: SJ on Twitch SJ on Beacon Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Emma from Tabletop Talespinners. Emma is the founder and creative director of TTN, a network focused on femme-led TTRPG podcasts featuring marginalized GMs and players.In this episode, you'll hear Emma's chaotic introduction to Dungeons & Dragons, the challenges and rewards of creating a podcast network for underrepresented voices, and the unique stories that emerge when diversity is prioritised. Resources and links: Tabletop Talespinners Linktree Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Jack Kellum from Of Gods and Gamemasters. On his Instagram bio Jack is listed as ‘a world builder of exceptional skill' so in today's episode we take a deep dive on world-building. In this episode Jack breaks down what world-building actually is, we discuss a few tips to get started when building your first world and Jack shares the biggest mistakes he sees first-time world builders make. Resources and links: Of Gods and Gamemasters website Of Gods and Gamemasters on YouTube Of Gods and Gamemasters on X Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on YouTube Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Mariah from the Table Talk podcast. Mariah is a passionate tabletop gaming enthusiast who has turned her love for the game into a successful podcast series. In this episode, you'll hear about Mariah's inspiring journey into tabletop gaming, get insights into the challenges and triumphs of starting and running a podcast, and learn from her experiences with effective marketing strategies and common promotional pitfalls. Resources and links: Table Talk on Spotify Table Talk on Instagram Table Talk on Threads Table Talk linkinbio Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Tom. Tom is the founder of Tabletop Bookshelf, an independent online bookstore that's carving a niche in the tabletop roleplaying game space. In this episode, you'll hear about Tom's personal journey into the tabletop world, discover the unique offerings of Tabletop Bookshelf, and understand Tom's commitment to supporting independent creators and crowdfunded projects. Resources and links: Tabletop Bookshelf Tabletop Bookshelf on YouTube Tabletop Bookshelf on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Dr. Paul Mason. Paul is an anthropologist, a YouTuber, and he is the anthropologist behind the new game Hexcrement. In this episode, you'll hear about the unique educational and conservation themes that Hexcrement brings to the table, we'll delve into the intriguing gameplay mechanics that make it stand out, and you'll learn how you can support the crowdfunding campaign to bring this game to life. Resources and links: Back the Hexcrement crowdfunding campaign Aelytra Paul's website Idioms of Normality Paul on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Dennis aka The Okayest DM. Dennis is not only a TTRPG youtuber and streamer, but he is also the mind behind the successful SAGAS Kickstarter campaign. In this episode, you'll get an in-depth recap of the SAGAS Kickstarter campaign, learn about the strategies that led to its success, and the most intriguing part - a candid review of what worked and the challenges faced along the way. Resources and links: The Okayest DM on Youtube SAGAS: Setting And Genre Agnostic System by Okayest DM — Kickstarter The Okayest DM on Instagram The Okayest DM on X The Okayest DM on Threads Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack sits down with Star from the Characters Without Stories podcast. Star is a storyteller and TTRPG enthusiast who has carved out a unique niche with her show, which delves into the tales of unplayed characters in the world of tabletop role-playing games. You'll hear about Star's personal journey into the realm of TTRPGs and what inspired her to start the Characters Without Stories podcast. She opens up about the challenges she's faced as a podcaster and how she's grown in confidence through her experiences. Additionally, Star shares the exciting details of the Moonstone Matriarchy, an all-women D&D stream that's making waves in the community. Resources and links: Characters Without Stories on Apple Podcasts Characters Without Stories on Instagram Characters Without Stories on Threads Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Craig, aka Craig of Inspiration, an online content creator focused on helping new Dungeon Masters. Craig is a tabletop gamer and a Dungeon Master who loves to share his tips and tricks for running engaging games. In this episode, you'll hear how Craig got into tabletop gaming and what inspired him to start helping DMs. Craig also shares some of his top tips for new DMs. Like how do you deal with a player who makes a character that doesn't want to go on an adventure? Resources and links: Points of Inspiration Craig of Inspiration on Instagram Craig of Inspiration on Threads Craig of Inspiration on TikTok Craig of Inspiration on YouTube Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack makes an announcement Resources and links: Relict Kickstarter Campaign Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Aetsch from Rollin' Dirty, an independent tabletop creator who focuses on NPCs. In this episode, you'll hear how Aetsch got into tabletop gaming, what makes a good NPC, and how they create their NPC packs. You'll also learn a little bit about Faydark Eclipse, an upcoming women and non-binary folk of thread stream that Aetsch is involved in. Aetsch and Jack also discuss the importance of immersion in tabletop games, and how NPCs can enhance the gaming experience. Resources and links: Rollin' Dirty on patreon Rollin' Dirty on Instagram Rollin' Dirty on Threads Rollin' Dirty on TikTok Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Rachel from RP Jesters, an actual play podcast that explores different tabletop systems and genres. In this episode, you'll hear how Rachel got into tabletop gaming, and you'll learn a little bit about RP Jesters' current campaign, Midnight Gravity. Rachel and Jack also discuss the challenges and joys of being independent content creators in the tabletop world and the importance of supporting and uplifting other creators in the community. Resources and links: RP Jesters on Instagram RP Jesters on Threads RP Jesters on TikTok RP Jesters Website Rachel on Instagram Rachel on Threads Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Dakin Dunn, the creator behind Tabletop Lumbersmith. Dakin is a woodworker and a tabletop gamer who makes stunning wooden replicas of swords and other game props. In this episode, you'll hear how Dakin got into woodworking, what inspires him to create his unique pieces, and how he connects with the tabletop gaming community. You'll also hear some fun stories about Dakin's first character in Dungeons and Dragons, and a memorable gaming moment with his friends. Resources and links: The Tabletop Lumbersmith on Instagram The Tabletop Lumbersmith on Facebook Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by M. Allen Hall. Allen is a TTRPG writer and creator of the all-ages RPG Sprinkles is Missing In this episode, you'll hear how Allen went from writing novels to writing material for tabletop games, you'll learn a little bit about Sprinkles is Missing and Allen will talk a little bit about his Kickstarter for a new solo RPG called Godspark. Resources and links: Godspark on Kickstarter M. Allen Hall's website M. Allen Hall on Instagram M. Allen Hall on Threads Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Damien the founder of Little Warrior Shields. Little Warrior Shields is an Australian not-for-profit that makes foam shields and helmets for sick kids in hospital. In this really powerful conversation, Damien talks all about Little Warrior shields. You'll hear how Damien got started, some of the success they've had and Damien shares the role that D&D has to play in all of this. Resources and links: Little Warrior Shields on Instagram Little Warrior Shields on Facebook Little Warrior Sheilds on Threads Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by one-half of the amazing Table Talk podcast, Alejandra. Table Talk is a podcast covering everything that happens on & off the table and in the TTRPG Community! You'll hear how Table Talk got started, some of the unexpected challenges involved in running a podcast and Alejandra shares the story of how an episode of the show helped one listener end a toxic campaign. Resources and links: Table Talk on Spotify Table Talk on Instagram Table Talk on Threads Table Talk linkinbio Alejandra on Instagram Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Boss Jellybean aka Jenel. Jenel is a TTRPG creator, streamer, and DM and player at Abandon Quest. Jenel shares how she got into the tabletop world, you'll hear about 'The Festive 3' a new holiday-themed adventure Jenel has released and Jenel talks about a very cool upcoming women and non-binary people of threads tabletop stream she has coming. Resources and links: Boss Jellybean on Instagram Boss Jellybean on Threads Boss Jellybean on Twitch Abandon Quest on Twitch Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Ben Spirason the founder of Smouldering Designs. Smouldering Designs is a glass etching business based in Australia making D&D-inspired glassware In this conversation, we dive deep into Ben's journey. Ben shares how he got into the tabletop world, and how the business got started. And Jack shares a story about how Ben went above and beyond for him. Resources and links: Smouldering Designs on Etsy Smouldering Designs on Instagram Smouldering Designs on Facebook Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Juicy Garland, the original drag queen of tabletop. In this episode, we have a conversation about how drag and tabletop are more alike than you might think. Juicy reveals how she got started in this unique niche, what she's working on with the amazing Tabletop Talespinners, and how she uses her platform to promote diversity and inclusion in the gaming community. Resources and links: Juicy on Instagram Juicy on Threads Juicy on X Tabletop Talespinners on Instagram Tabletop Talespinners on Threads Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In episode 3 of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Rachel from Riverwren Compendium. Rachel is an artist, creator and D&D lover. In today's episode, we talk about all things Riverwren Compendium You'll hear Rachel talk about the new Kickstarter campaign she is running, she'll share the story of how she got into the tabletop world and, as a member of the neuro-diverse community, Rachel talks about the unique connection she's seen between the tabletop world and people in the neuro-diverse community. Resources and links: Companion Cards for 5E - Rachel's Kickstarter Riverwren Compendium on Instagram Riverwren Artistry - Website Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In today's episode, Jack is joined by Erin aka Erinmylaundry on Instagram (@_erinmylaundry). Erin wears a lot of hats! They are a TTRPG writer, a cozy horror streamer, player and staff at World of Evindale and the founder of TTRPG collective.In today's far-reaching conversation, you'll hear all this and more. Erin will share how they were proposed to, in real life, in the middle of a tabletop game and Erin explain why independent tabletop creators are adventurers in the real world. Resources and links: Erin on Instagram Erin on threads TTRPG collective World of Evindale on Instragram World of Evindale on threads Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In the very first episode of The Table Business, Jack is joined by Chris Corrigan from Houndsong Games. Houndsong games has a really diverse offering and Chris will break it all down in the conversation. But today, you'll hear all about Relict. Relict was born out of the OGL fiasco of 2023. What initially started as a sci-fi setting for 5E, became a totally new system with a fantasy setting. In this episode Chris will explain why he decided to embark on the challenging task of creating his own system, you'll hear him break down the coolest parts of Relict and you'll hear how you can play Relict, right now. Resources and links: Relict website Houndsong Games on Instagram Houndsong Games on Threads Connect: Sounds Like Adventure on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure on Threads Jack on Instagram Sounds Like Adventure website See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.