Podcasts about hawaii space exploration analog

It's the last MNWKY Rewind before the break is over and we are back! This time we bring in Corey for a space focused episode talking about the experiment that is HI-SEAS Mars. Sources: HI-SEAS, Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation When A Mars Simulation Goes Wrong, Marina Koren, The Atlantic The Habitat Podcast, Gimlet Media

Adriana Blachowicz may just have one of the MOST IMPORTANT JOBS on our planet… and perhaps one of the coolest!  Adriana is a planetary protection scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory where she works to prevent microbial transfer between the Earth and other planets.  So how can we protect as we explore?  Why should we care about planetary protection? What are extremophiles? Can microbes live in an inhospitable environment? Does finding water really equate to finding life? In this episode, Adriana helps answer these questions, and shares some amazing insights on how she serves as a guard for our galaxy!    All About Adriana:   Dr. Adriana Blachowicz has a M.Sc. in Biotechnology from Marie Curie Sklodowska University in Lublin, a PhD in Pharmaceutical Sciences from the University of Southern California, and an MBA from Quantic School of Business and Technology. She has pioneered research into fungal adaptive responses to the space environment, utilizing a multiomic approach. She led a fungal test campaign, sending experiments to the International Space Station (ISS). As a Planetary Protection Scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, her responsibility lies in preventing microbial contamination from Earth to other celestial bodies and vice versa, especially those with conditions to potentially sustain life. At JPL, she is also involved in mission formulation. Recently, she joined the space startup, Star Harbor, as their Chief Scientist, developing and executing their R&D architecture to make running experiments in orbit or on parabolic flights more affordable for customers. She took part as a Chief Scientist in the Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation (HI–SEAS) program, replicating Mars-like operations and activities. During the mission, she tested an automated platform designed for in situ DNA extraction aboard the ISS, assessing its flight readiness level. This experience led Dr. Blachowicz to become the Science Team lead for the World's Biggest Analog (WBA) - a global collaboration of researchers, educators, and entrepreneurs aiming to address the challenges of space living and working. She also mentored at the Launching Space Biology workshop, fostering a generation of scientists, students, and early-career researchers in the interdisciplinary field of space biology. Dr. Blachowicz is dedicated to promoting scientific awareness and education, often participating in conferences and public speaking events. In her leisure time, she is learning Spanish and Italian. More about JPL and Planetary Protection:  https://planetaryprotection.jpl.nasa.gov/microbe-01 Learn more about Star Harbor here: https://starharboracademy.com/  Find more information about the World's Biggest Analog: https://www.worldsbiggestanalog.com/  Do you want your next event to be stellar? Book host Beth Mund as your keynote speaker in 2024 www.bethmund.com

Épisode 540 : Bien loin des rencontres du troisième type de Steven Spielberg, le 18 février 2021, le robot Perseverance a entamé sa mission d'exploration .. sur Mars et il n'en fallait pas moins pour que la planète social media s'empare du phénomène.En quelques chiffres :Sur le web, l’intérêt pour Mars suit une courbe temporelle avec un moment fort tous les 8-10 ans à peu près, le reste du temps c’est le calme plat. En 2004, le lancement du Robot explorateur Rover Spirit a poussé la tendance à son summumEn 2014, le lancement du Robot Curiositiy a de nouveau affolé le compteurEt il y a quelques jours , c’est le robot Perseverance qui est de nouveau en tête d’affiche#Mars , 3,3 Millions de publications#perseverance, plusieurs millions de publications récentes (bon bien sur le # est aussi squatté par des fans de muscu)#nasa 6,6MillionsUne vidéo de 7 minutes venue des confins de la GalaxieCe Lundi 22 février, La Nasa a publié une vidéo de plus de trois minutes de l'atterrissage de son robot Perseverance.Grâce à six caméras, situées à différents endroits sur le module, l'atterrissage à haut risque, les "7 minutes de terreur" annoncées par le Jet Propulsion Laboratory, au niveau du cratère de Jezero, a pu être immortalisé. Longue de plus de trois minutes, la vidéo publiée dévoile des images d'une clarté inédite.On y voit le déploiement du parachute supersonique de 21 mètres de diamètre, situé dans le bouclier arrière, afin de ralentir le vaisseau de 1500 à 300 km/h. Une autre caméra, située sous l'engin, permet d'apercevoir le sol martien qui se rapproche. On peut aussi voir le bouclier thermique, qui a protégé le vaisseau lors de son entrée dans l'atmosphère à une vitesse de 20.000 km/h, être largué, à neuf kilomètres d'altitude. Les deux autres vues montrent le rover Perseverance, suspendu par trois câbles et ralenti par huit rétrofusées, être doucement déposé au solUn message caché dans le parachutePour faire plaisir aux amateurs de devinettes, la Nasa a caché sur le parachute rouge et blanc du rover un code secret, une référence à l’un des slogans de la mythique agence spatiale: “dare mighty things”, soit “prenez des risques”.Lundi, quelques heures après que la Nasa ait dévoilé les premières images de l’atterrissage de Perseverance, un étudiant français, Maxence Abela, a découvert avec son père un message secret caché dans le code couleur du parachute. Le mec, tellement callé a découvert un message caché, chiffré en Language binaire dans les cercles du parachute.Bonus pour les geeks—Le compte Twitter du robot PersévéranceEcrit à la première personne. Ben oui, après tout Persévérance est un robot.La vidéo du TouchdownDu côté de la NasaSur Instagram @NASA> 67,3 Millions d’abonnésOn communique à fond sur l’évènement et on propose du contenu super coolLe 18 Février, 10 jours avant l’atterrissage débutait le temps fort autour de l’évènement sur le compte Instagram avec un live Instagram avec 2 experts qui expliquaient ce qui se passerait dans les jours à venir.Le 14 février, 4 jours avant l’atterrissage, un petit post « Il y a de l’amour dans l’air alors que notre rover Perseverance Mars est attiré par la planète rouge comme un papillon de nuit vers une flamme, et à travers le système solaire, nous l'encourageons avec affection » monde rouge et rocheux. ⁣ »Hier est sorti en post format carousel horizontal le premier panorama 360 de mars pris depuis le robot, j’adore l’effetSur Igtv un reportage intitulé « 7 minutes vers Mars » où l’on revit l’entrée dans l’atmosphère, la descente et l’aterrissage. Avec la petite musique qui va bien pour nous faire ressentir l’émotion de ceux qui pilotaient l’opération à distanceEt au passage depuis 2 ans la Nasa partage des stories autour du projet persévérance qui sont maintenant regroupées en une super HighlightSur Youtube,La Nasa c’est 8,76 Millions d’abonnésla NASA diffuse en direct live 2 vidéos, dont une a démarré le 28 Décembre 2018Et l’autre depuis depuis… le 19 Février 2019 !!Chaîne d’info continueLe premier son MartienSigne d’une époque, le son et toujours le son.La Nasa a diffusé, pour la première fois, du son martien enregistré par les micros de Perseverance.Vous avez toujours rêvé de voyager dans l’espace, vous pouvez envoyer votre nom sur Mars ! Trois puces de la taille d'un ongle apposées dans le coin supérieur gauche du Rover portent les noms de près de 11 millions de personnes qui ont participé à cette opération.Sur le site send your name to Mars vous pouvez remplir un formulaire et recevoir un boarding pass numérique. Celui ci est partageable en ligne et vous permet d'accéder à des infios innédites sur la mission en cours.Vous avez raté votre embarquement sur le Pereseverance, vous pouvez d’ores et déjà réserver votre vol pour le prochain vol….——Les missions Analog, ou comment l’Homme se prépare à vivre sur MarsLa NASA exécute de fausses missions spatiales sur Terre. Ces simulations - appelées missions Analog - permettent aux scientifiques d'étudier à quoi ressemblerait une longue mission spatiale pour l'équipage. La mission HI-SEAS, ou Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation, se déroule près du volcan Mauna Loa à Hawaï et est conçue pour simuler la vie sur Mars. Les membres d'équipage vivent en isolement pendant environ 8 mois exactement comme ils le ferait sur Mars. Les scientifiques étudient l'impact que cela a sur l'état mental et émotionnel de l'équipageIl ya un compte Instagram qui permet de suivre au jour le jour leurs aventures——Un filtre en RA avec @natgeoLes marques s’en emparent :Comme on avait pu le voir pour cette sombre histoire de monolithe… les marques sautent sur l’occasionOn a pu voir le Rover déposer un vélo @specializedbr sur la planète rougeNike sortira le 13 Mars une paire de chaussures AirMax 90 mars landingUn tweet de Cantal Auvergne « La marque rouge sur la planète rouge! #Mars #PerseveranceRover ». . .Le Super Daily est le podcast quotidien sur les réseaux sociaux. Il est fabriqué avec une pluie d'amour par les équipes de Supernatifs.Nous sommes une agence social media basée à Lyon : https://supernatifs.com/. Nous aidons les entreprises à créer des relations durables et rentables avec leurs audiences. Nous inventons, produisons et diffusons des contenus qui engagent vos collaborateurs, vos prospects et vos consommateurs.

Charlotte is 24 years old with a degree in applied physics with a specialization in radiation and cube satellites. Working as an analog astronaut and mission organizer for EuroMoonMars, ILEWG ESA, HI-SEAS which is the Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation is an analog habitat for human spaceflight to Mars. She is the head of logistics & organizer for the CHILL-ICE mission 2021 where they will be constructing a Habitat Inside a lava tube on Iceland for lunar missions. Full-time test engineer at Airbus Defense and Space Netherlands, Charlotte is also an entrepreneur, advanced scuba diver, wanderer, and traveler. Support CHILL-ICE Analogue astronaut mission: https://www.gofundme.com/f/chillice-analogue-astronaut-mission Connect with Charlotte on: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/charlotte_pouwels/ Visit: https://www.1mwis.com/profiles/Charlotte-Roos-Pouwels --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/spaceexplr/support

Do you feel like you're living on another planet right now? There's a reason. Humans are social animals and social distancing and isolation is not our normal here on Earth. Mark sits down with his son Tristan, and Carmel Johnston, two crew members from NASA's HI-SEAS IV study to learn what is required to survive and even thrive during an extended mission to Mars and how we can adapt our own behaviors to stay happy here on Earth. Transcript:  MARK BASSINGTHWAIGHTE: Welcome. You're listening to ALPS In Brief, the podcast that comes to you from the historic Florence building in beautiful downtown Missoula, Montana. I'm Mark Bassingthwaighte, the Risk Manager here at ALPS, and today we're going to have a little fun, do something a little bit interesting. Believe it or not, I'm going to try to make some connections between Mars and all of these stay-at-home or stay-in-place orders all over the country. Now, how are we going to do that? I guess saying Mars is a little bit misleading. We are going to talk about a Mars simulation and I am so pleased and excited to have two very special guests on today and honestly both of them are very special people in my life and in the life of my wife. The first is Carmel Johnston. MARK: Carmel is quite an outdoorsman. Boy, trying to get her to do a podcast can be a bit of a challenge, but just because you never know where she is. I was watching this morning, a YouTube of her as she was doing a TV show in Australia of all places, but she also spends quite a bit of time now in Glacier National Park, another place that is near and dear to many of our hearts as folks in Montana. Carmel has a background from Montana State University, a master of science in land resources and environmental sciences. And now she is the Utility Systems Repairer and Operator at the National Park Service. And actually, Carmel, you're going to have to explain, is that the same position in Glacier? CARMEL JOHNSTON: Yeah, so it's called Utility Systems Repair Operator, but essentially it's a water and wastewater operator position so, all the water that people drink we create, and then all the wastewater that happens afterwards, we treat before it is given back to the earth. MARK: Okay, very good. And I'll explain a little bit more about Carmel here in just a minute. The other guest that I'd like to introduce is someone that goes back in my life quite a few years. We first met in, I believe it was, Tristan, wasn't it 1984 if I'm remembering correctly? This is Tristan Bassingthwaighte and Tristan among, and again, like Carmel, these two, you can find them all over the world at different times. Of note, Tristan received his Masters in Architecture from Tongji University in Shanghai, and then went on to complete his Doctorate of Architecture from the University of Hawaii, Manoa. Tristan has done all kinds of things, but my interest in having him visit with us today is, some of what he does is, how would you describe it, in terms of the different, I'm losing my words here, Tristan, but what type of architecture ties in here? TRISTAN BASSINGTHWAIGHTE: I specialize in the design of habitats, research bases, even you could say, drilling platforms, the areas people would go on earth or in outer space that are isolated, dangerous working environments, confined environments, and then how to understand the social and psychological issues that occur with people there, being removed from family and society and walks in the park and fresh coffee, and trying to address them architecturally, so that we could say, live on Mars for 10 years and not have everybody go crazy or something along those lines. MARK: My senior moment was extreme environment design. That's what I was struggling with, just every once in a while recall isn't what it should be. While you listeners might be wondering why I have these two guests visiting with us today and what Mars has to do with stay-at-home orders. Both of these folks were participants in a Mars simulation. It was, what is called HI-SEAS IV, and it was a 366 day mission, and Carmel was the crew commander for this mission and Tristan was the crew space architect, and they really have all kinds of stories and insights and experiences to share. But this was a project between NASA and the University of Hawaii, and they literally lived in a very small space for 366 days, never being able to go outside on the side of, it was Mauna Loa, if I'm remembering correctly, but Carmel, could I have you just share a very brief little background in terms of what this experience was about? And Tristan, of course jump in anytime. TRISTAN: Hmm. CARMEL: Yeah, so we were the six participants of the Hawai'i Space Exploration Analog and Simulation Mission Number Four and that consisted of the six of us living in a 1200 square foot dome on the side of Mauna Loa for the year, and like you said, we couldn't go outside unless we were wearing a space suit and we lived off freeze dried, dehydrated powdered ingredients for the year unless we were able to grow our own vegetables, and we were the guinea pigs studying the effects of isolation and confinement on all of us and out of all the different tools and techniques that people have thought of up to this point for dealing with those psychological aspects of confinement. MARK: Yes. Yep. Very good. And Tristan, maybe you can share just a little bit when we talk about isolation, there were six for those of you listening, a total of six individuals participated in this year long mission and I believe it's to this day, the longest isolation experiment run yet here in the States anyway, but there's isolation, too, in terms of communication and Tristan, could you share a little bit about that? TRISTAN: Yeah. When you actually go up there, you find you've got your row of laptops so we can all do our work and research and everything. You've got several electronic devices like iPads and everything to do quizzes and surveys, enter the various information for the experiments we're doing, write about how we feel, et cetera, sort of tracking our emotions and reactions during the course of the year. But also there's a viciously delayed internet that only allows access to a few research sites because that's what we were doing. Phones don't work. TRISTAN: There's no real time communication with anybody that's not in the dome. So if I was going to say, write an email to grandma, I could compose the whole thing and send it off and it would be held in an ESSA server for 20 minutes and then delivered to her. So, all of our digital communications that people focus on these days are light speed delayed the way they would be if we were actually on Mars. So, you're very, very, very removed from everybody physically and in terms of communication and every way you can imagine. So it's not just, oh, you're in a tent but you can hang out on Snapchat if you want. MARK: Very good, thank you. When you guys signed up for this and got selected in terms of what you were thinking it would be like versus what you ultimately discovered, did you know what you were getting into? TRISTAN: Yeah, I would say I had a fair idea because I was actually applying to this near the tail end of my Masters research and the Masters research was also on [inaudible 00:08:24] environmental architecture, sociology, psychology, and I only found HI-SEAS because I was trying to research analogs that were on earth and then honestly, just ask some of the participants questions and that accidentally turned into applying. MARK: How about you, Carmel? CARMEL: Yeah, I think we knew a lot about what we were getting into, but there's definitely a component to it that we had no idea how isolating it really would be. And several of us had done previous analog simulations before, not to that length of time, but two week simulations here and there, and each simulation you go through whether it's HERA or MDRS or HI-SEAS or SIRIUS, any of those, they all have different components to it. And so, ours was the delayed communications. You had unlimited amount of data to be dropping data packages if NASA needed to send us something, but it would be delayed and it would be in the say, constraints of how they would actually send data to Mars. CARMEL: Whereas other ones it's, oh you have unlimited real time communication but you only get a certain amount of data per day or per week or something. And then every simulation space suits are different and the different things that you're testing are different, which is great because we're compiling all these resources of the different aspects of isolation and confinement, and then, the ultimate test is going there. And so, hopefully if we practice all these different components to it here, then it will it make easier for actually getting there. MARK: Maybe, I'm just going to take a tangent for a quick second, in light of our listening audience here and I really didn't explain what HI-SEAS stands for. It is the Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation. So it's H-I dash S-E-A-S, if you ever want to look something up and see what HI-SEAS is all about. Was it hard? CARMEL: Oh yeah. MARK: How so? CARMEL: I would say that it, well, up to this point, it's been the hardest thing I've done in my life, but that is barring that my parents are still here and so when they go, that'll probably be the hardest thing I have to deal with. But having a lack of communication because our connection to society and our friends and family is humongous and each one of us, Tristan will tell stories about his friends that fell off. Each one of us had friends that wouldn't write back or they'd forget about us until the Martian came out, and then all of a sudden we get a lot of emails and people saying, "Oh, we're thinking of you." And you're like, well, where were you two months ago when I really needed you to respond back to an email? CARMEL: And it's kind of the out of sight, out of mind concept of as soon as you're gone then people forget because you're not in their regular life all the time. And we were just stuck up there doing our research and it was very easy to feel disconnected from the people that we cared about the most, which made us feel like, well, maybe we don't mean that much to them or you start playing all these games in your head about why people don't respond back. It's probably because they have kids and they're living their lives. But to you it seems like, well, this is really important to me. MARK: Tristan? TRISTAN: Yeah, I would definitely agree with that. I had all sorts of people that kind of vanished and dropped away. I mean, half of our relationships these days seem to be over email or text anyways. So, you'd think they'd be able to keep up, but it kind of gave you a good opportunity to, healthy or unhealthy, coping mechanisms can help get you through some stuff. So, it was a chance to pick up some hobbies and try and focus on work and do some other things as well, but you definitely feel it. MARK: Mm-hmm (affirmative). How did you make peace with that, I guess? How were you able to move forward? Because nobody at the end came out crazy, ready to be hospitalized. Nobody died, in terms of, you didn't kill each other, that kind of thing. So how'd you do it? TRISTAN: I think the big thing for me was a string of tiny little fun victories mixed with a few larger goals over the course of the last eight months perhaps. So, Carmel and Cyprian got really into trying to run a marathon and I thought that was the worst idea ever because who wants to run forever? That just hurts. And eventually, Carmel talked me into it and I ended up doing that. So I mean that was a, what did I do, like two and a half months of training to actually get up to that? CARMEL: Yeah, I don't remember having to talk you into it. I think you were like, "Hey, I think I could do this." And we were like, "Well, make your training plan. You can totally do it." TRISTAN: Yeah. Yeah, something like that. So, you start to run and everything and then I think she and Cyprian were coming by every half hour leaving treats on the treadmill and spraying me with water bottles and stuff. So, you've got your camaraderie on the inside and then when there's not some massive thing that you're working on or accomplish that day, Carmel and I invented the pizza cupcake, a lot of fun, small things that like, "Oh, this is today's victory. I have changed the culinary world." MARK: Can you, Carmel, just share for everybody listening again what running a marathon in a dome looks like? CARMEL: So, we have a treadmill there and at the beginning of the year, the treadmill was kind of adjacent to the window and then we found that Cyprian kept falling off of it because he was looking out the window, and so we put it in front of the window and then at least you had the same Mars landscape to look at while you're running, but for the most part you have to watch a lot of movies because running a marathon in general is pretty time consuming depending on how fast you're grounding. Either way, it's a lot of movement and listening to movies or watching movies or listening to podcasts or something, it's kind of the only way to take away from the monotony of one foot in front of the other for so darn long. MARK: Yeah, and for those listening again, can you appreciate what they're sharing? They're running marathons on a treadmill and trust me, this isn't a state-of-the-art brand new high tech thing, in front of, I wouldn't say a window, my memory is it was the window, and it is about the size of maybe a large pizza pan. It's just a circle and you're looking out at volcanic rock. There's nothing out there. So, just trying to put that in perspective. Crazy kinds of stuff. Did you want to share? Go ahead. I think I cut you off. CARMEL: Oh, you're okay. Sometimes there were clouds so that really broke it up and made it a little change of scenery. But yeah, it was pretty monotonous the whole time when you're running, but at the same time, that's the thing that's breaking the other monotonous cycle of your life, which is research and cooking food and being around the same people all day every day, and so that's actually kind of an escape is doing something pretty monotonous. It's funny that way. MARK: Let's shift gears just a little bit. These stay-in-place orders really are having an impact on people. I've been talking with some lawyers in recent weeks, several of whom work in the domestic relations space and they're reporting tremendous increase in families, whether it's just some abuse kinds of things going on to just divorce. People are getting a little crazy and stir crazy. A lot of people I heard in Paris for instance, you're not allowed to exercise outside now and I'd love for you guys to talk about what going outside meant for you, both in terms of how it was done and what it meant for you, but Michigan has just issued an order forbidding contact now with friends and family in terms of extended, you are not to go out and visit with anybody. You can only interact with people that are in your physical home. MARK: Now, of course, I guess you can say hi or smile at somebody at the grocery store. But that's a different thing. So, in light of the challenges, so many are having to face, that have never dealt with anything like this, and for some it's going to be four to six weeks. Others, it might be eight to 10 weeks, nothing like 366 days. But perhaps through the context of sharing your stories, how you survived and things, you could share some tips and insights into how people going through these stay-at-home, stay-in-place orders can again, come out the other side without too many bruises and nobody's killed each other. So, I'll let you guys chat here for a little bit on that. TRISTAN: Yeah well, I mean part of it is this is being forced on everyone, where as we got to volunteer. So we had to begin ours with slightly different mindset, which helps out. But I think, when you go into something like this, the problems that occur sort of, I mean you, you can imagine them being created because you're stuck inside and can't leave and there's no communication, whatever. But really, wherever you go, like when you go on a vacation, your problems are waiting for you when you get back because you were just on vacation. And when you go into isolation. You're just taking your life and your problems with you. So, I would argue that the people who are getting to spend a month with their spouse and then realize they can't stand the way they chew food and they get divorced, probably had other issues, it was likely not the the quarantine them split them all up. TRISTAN: So if you're going to be stuck somewhere and you can't go to the bars and hang with all your friends and do the normal life distraction stuff that defined your existence before all of this, you're going to, whether you realize it or not, meet yourself in some ways and realize where your priorities lay, the character traits that you actually enjoy and hate about the people you're living with. Even start to ask existential questions maybe. I know in the last like couple of weeks I've been like, what am I doing with my life and trying to just figure some of that stuff out again because I've got the time now. MARK: Mm-hmm (affirmative). That's great. You're so spot on. Carmel. CARMEL: Yeah, I think that's really well put, especially because we did choose to be isolated and so, it takes a special kind of special to even want to do that. And I mean honestly, isolation isn't for everyone and we know that because there are only certain people that volunteer for isolation studies or to go to other planets or to live on the ISS or go to Antarctica. Not everyone's volunteering to do that because it just doesn't mesh well with them, and you see people who choose to overwinter in Antarctica year after year. They enjoy it or they are at least able to get through it because that matches with that personality. So, having this forced upon everyone in the world right now really is kind of taking a lifestyle choice for some people and making it a mandatory lifestyle. So, finding coping mechanisms, things that help you make your life as easy as possible for where you are at right now is probably the best step for a lot of people because they might enjoy certain aspects of it, but they definitely aren't going to enjoy everything about it, as we did as well. There are certain things I miss terribly about the dome and then there are some things I'm like, I never need to go back there again for others. MARK: What would you say you missed? I find that interesting. TRISTAN: Oh, the food. CARMEL: The food. I actually kind of do miss the isolation because we were up there and you could just get so much work done and you didn't have a lot of distractions in some ways and I had a treadmill that I could run on most of the time because a couple of weeks ago they took away the gym at work and so now you're forced to exercise outside except for that it's snowing all the time, and they closed the park and they closed the reservation and you literally can't leave a one mile square radius anymore. And so, I'm going a little crazy for other reasons right now. MARK: You raised the term coping mechanisms and I think that's a good, can we explore that a little bit and just have both of you talk, what were your coping mechanisms? What really worked for you and if there was something that you tried and didn't, I'd love to hear that as well. TRISTAN: Yeah, I mean, I would say, part of the reason that we had said food was such a great thing is because Carmel's mom actually taught her to cook very well and I got to be sous chef two days out of the week inventing new things or learning how to make old favorites, whatever. We actually pulled off a super respectable salmon eggs Benedict, a double layer chocolate cake, the aforementioned pizza cupcakes. We made Swedish meat, no, not Swedish meatballs, oh, what were the meatballs we made? Italian meatballs or something and they were actually better than the meatballs at the restaurant we went to when we all got out. So it was a bit of a playing around and creative aspect there. MARK: I was working on my dissertation while I was there so I had some of my personal work as well. Some of my best selling tee shirts, I came up with the ideas and drew them while I was up there because I had the time. You sort of have the option between say, for people going through isolation now, you can do something that is numbing like getting through your favorite series or watching Battlestar, all four seasons, over the course of two weeks and you're sort of pausing yourself as a person in your life while you enjoy something. Or you could say, well I'm going to do something productive or creative and actually find ways to engage the part of yourself that wants to learn the language or an instrument or start doing art or becoming an incredible bonsai Shaffer person. One of those will actually let you survive a year and one of them will let you get through a couple of weeks. TRISTAN: So, I think we're actually going to start to see as these stay- at-home orders carry on, more problems, because a lot of people are doing the numbing route, where they're investing heavily in say, television or whatever, something that's sort of a passive hobby, instead of something that actually lends meaning to what they're doing and helps them feel like they are progressing. MARK: Following up on that, I get concerned, too, about alcohol abuse. If there's not, the numbing kind of thing, just to kind of get through it and it's so easy to just casually increase and increase and increase and what becomes after dinner or before dinner beverage or two, you have a little bit at lunch, you have some in the afternoon. What the heck? I've got another beer or so in the fridge to get the nine o'clock movie and on and on. Carmel, how about you? Your thoughts. CARMEL: Yeah, I think, I have lots of thoughts. I've been thinking about this for five years now. I think right now it's okay to acknowledge that it sucks. Nobody's really having a great time right now and it's okay to say, this is not where we wanted to be and it's changing everything and it's hard, but what can we gain out of it? And it's okay to live in the grumpy mood for a little bit, but then the thing that's going to bring you out of it is planning and having a goal for the day, or I had one person who was retired, they told me the other week, I have at least one thing I have to accomplish every day, even if it's just making my bed or it's stacking firewood or something else. I have to write on the list, I did one thing every day because then once you do one, it'll be find, you'll start doing a bunch of other things, but if you sit in bed first thing in the morning and start watching a show, then it's six shows later, you're like, hmm, I guess I'm kind of hungry now and I might make something or I might just eat leftovers. And so having things to do in your day that need to be done that day is actually helpful because you have a drive and a reason to go. CARMEL: And I'm so thankful that I am still working right now because I have something that makes me, I mean, I would be not getting out of bed otherwise, but you know I have a purpose and I am contributing every single day right now and that gives me a lot of fulfillment knowing that I am still able to do this and I'm not forced to be at home because that would be extremely challenging for anyone to be told, you can't go to work, you're still getting paid, but then you're like, well heck, what am I even contributing right now? So, as Tristan said, coming up with workouts or a craft or a hobby or something you want to master that gives you a purpose for every single day. It's very easy for all your days to run together and to not know what day of the week it is, but if you have something that keeps you going forward every single day, that's a longterm game plan versus a short term plan. MARK: I obviously vicariously went through this experience just as a parent and trying to stay in touch and so I kind of lived the experiment as an earthling. It seemed apparent to me that two coping mechanisms that were very, very effective, and I think not only for the two of you, but that became effective and helped others in the dome, and that would be the use of humor and the ability to get outside. Now, I want to underscore for people listening, getting outside of the dome is not like you get to walk through the air lock and take your tee shirt off and get a little sun and go for a run up the hill. You're in spacesuits, you don't get the fresh air, the sun isn't on your skin for 366 days. Either both of you, if you would just share some thoughts about the importance of, did that matter? How did it matter, in terms of humor or just a change of scenery? TRISTAN: Yeah, I mean the big thing is it's a new stimulus. So, instead of the treadmill to try and escape from whatever's going on or doing our work or our hobbies, you actually can go over the landscape. The physical exertion is, while it has the same unpleasantness as jogging for a long time, it can at the same time feel cathartic and like you're moving your body because you are, so it can help meet some of your exercise goals and help you workout some stress. TRISTAN: But we were lucky enough that, I don't know if it's on the entire mountain, but we had several in the local area we were allowed to explore, but we had lava tubes so you could schedule an EVA, and do all this paperwork and get everything set up, and then the next day, you suit up and go outside and your teams and everything. And instead of just walking around on a barren landscape, which can be beautiful for its own aesthetic reasons, you're getting to wiggle through strange holes and cracks and find giant house-sized volumes under the lava that are totally empty or have a little skylight at the top with a shaft of light and trees and it's dark and a little scary but super pretty, and just this really wonderful fun exploring thing. And that was a massive stimulus and change of pace compared to whatever was going on inside the dome because we had dozens of these lava tubes and pits and everything that you could explore. MARK: Very cool. Carmel. CARMEL: Yeah, I agree that those are probably, I'd say humor, going outside, and exercise are the top three mechanisms for keeping yourself sane while you're there. Tristan was the diffuser of almost all situations we had when anything would get tense, he'd crack a joke about something and we'd be laughing and then everything would be better or at least, it would be better than it was before. And so, one of the most valuable roles you have in a crew is to have humor, to maintain humor around a situation. You can be serious and get your work done, but being lighthearted for certain things is absolutely necessary because if you can't laugh about it then you're going to be in a world of hurt later. CARMEL: And I agree, going outside was huge and we did have, most of our EVAs were, our extra vehicular activities, [inaudible 00:30:28] outside. We put on our space suit and most of them were meant for doing geology research or lava tubes or the different tasks that the research team had for us to do out there. But sometimes it was just to go have fun because things would be so tense. You're like, I just need to go outside and maybe walk in a straight line because you can only do like 21 steps in the dome before you have to turn and round a corner, and you can't just keep doing laps. You have to go back and forth and just go outside and use your long distance vision and stretch all your muscles and you can even just run down the road if you wanted to, just totally different than being inside, and so mixing up that, like Tristan said, the stimuli of being indoors versus outdoors was really, really important. MARK: Yeah, I'm finding that's what's helping me right now. Now I telecommute so a stay-at-home order isn't quite the same impact for my wife and I than with other family situations perhaps, but I've been getting out. Since the stay-at-home, Tristan, you might be impressed here with your old man. I put 150 miles on my bike since the stay-at-home, just get outside, you can still socially distance. Nobody's within six feet of me, but I'm pedaling like crazy, and it's just been good. It really does make a difference, even just in mood. CARMEL: Fresh air is super good for everyone. That's got to be good for, if you are sick, having some fresh air go through your lungs and if you're not sick, helping keep yourself healthy and moving strong. MARK: Well, I feel like I've taken a lot of your time here and I so, so appreciate your willingness of both of you to share a little bit with the ALPS audience. Before I let you go, do you have one final tip or comment you'd like to share in terms of just, this is your chance to say it again, people that are just trying to make it work and figure out how not to go stir crazy. A final thought from each of you. TRISTAN: Yeah, I mean, I'd say the biggest is you've got the time down to let your vices squeeze you. So try and balance that out with less immediately fun but more longterm productive goals because it sucks now. Nobody wants to go and work out for two hours a day or do that paperwork that's lying around but actually producing something instead of just indulging in something will make four weeks feel a lot more like four and less like 10. MARK: Yeah, yeah. Carmel. CARMEL: I like that. I like that a lot. I also think, finding more than one thing, because one of my downfalls in the dome was that running was my thing and then anytime the treadmill wasn't available, whether it was power or it was broken or whatever, I was a wreck because I just didn't have the ability to do my one coping mechanism, and so having a whole suite of them, whether it's painting or you have some online videos you could do or a whole variety of things that make you happy and are helping you and can be productive at the same time, that would be good because if all of a sudden the gym closes and then it's bad weather outside. Then now you're like, well, what am I supposed to do? And you have all this stress or anxiety built up that I can't get rid of. You need to have a whole suite of things you can do in order to be able to relieve that. MARK: Yeah. To that, I would like to add in terms of the comments both of you shared. Just as a family member that was on earth during this whole experience, I would like to underscore the importance of social connectivity that both Carmel and Tristan talked about earlier in this podcast. We can't necessarily go out and meet friends at the local brew pub or something and have a nice evening, but there are alternatives, and to try to just call a little bit more, talk on the phone, do some Zoom meetings with family. We've done a little bit of this with some of the kids and that's been a lot of fun. MARK: So, don't underestimate as well, the value of staying socially connected. I think that can make a big difference. Well, that brings the podcast to an end. To those of you listening, thank you very much for taking the time. I hope you found something of value and please don't hesitate to reach out to me at ALPS. It's m bass, mbass, B-A-S-S @alpsinsurance.com. Happy to try and help in terms of any questions, concerns you might have on ethics, risk management, or even just getting through a stay-at-home order. That's it, folks. Have a good one. Bye bye.

Featured in the hit Gimlet Media podcast, ‘The Habitat,' Dr. Tristan Bassingthwaighte, architectural designer, space researcher, and resident of NASA's yearlong Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation (HI-SEAS) mission, sits down with his father, ALPS Risk Manager Mark Bassingthwaighte, to discuss the stress factors associated with isolated, confined, and extreme environments and how to create support systems and wellness systems strong enough to survive a year in space.   Transcript:   MARK BASSINGTHWAIGHTE: Good afternoon podcast world. This is Mark Bassingthwaighte. I'm the risk manager with ALPS. Welcome to the latest episode of ALPS in Brief, the podcast that comes to you from the historic Florence building in beautiful downtown Missoula, Montana. I've got a treat for you today and honestly it is very much an honor and a privilege to introduce our guest today, because there's a family relationship here. This is our oldest son, Tristan Bassingthwaighte, and Tristan has an interesting story to share. We're going to talk about and just have a little fun. At the end, trust me, there is a message here that that relates to the practice of law. But before we jump into our conversation and share why we're interviewing Tristan, Tristan, could you just take a little time and share whatever you'd like to share about yourself for our listeners? TRISTAN BASSINGTHWIAGHTE: Yeah. I am originally from Montana as well. I've spent the last 10 years or so living in Hawaii and around the world, have three architectural degrees with a focus in space architecture and extreme environmental design, design t-shirts on the side just for fun, and as part of my research for the doctoral studies, got to live in a simulated Mars base for a year for NASA. MARK:                  Very cool and that's what we're going to talk about and when Tristan talks about his experiences, I have caught up with him and and Singapore where he was doing an internship, I caught up with him and Bangkok, which what were you doing? TRISTAN:             A spring study abroad. MARK:                  A study abroad spring study abroad. That's right. He's been in Copenhagen, did a year in Shanghai. But we're here to talk about this Mars simulation. Tristan, can you give us a little background. Who runs this simulation? What are we talking about in terms of the name of the project and a little background? TRISTAN:             The simulation itself is called HI-SEAS. It's for the a Hawaiian Space Exploration Analog and Simulation. It's run by UH with a partnership of 10 to 15 other universities around the world. NASA actually gave the program about $17 million to do a series of simulations studying social and psychological aspects of long duration isolation, confinement, essentially trying to find a way to pick a crew for an actual Mars mission that will not self-destruct, remain happy, sort of soft topics, people research. MARK:                  Yes, yes. As a dad, I remember finally over the years and I can recall when you were even a wee young when running around the house, you would say things like, "Dad, I'm going to be an astronaut someday," and "Dad, I'm going to go to Mars." I guess technically with all of the things going on with SpaceX, who knows what's going to happen here. But in your own way, you've already done it and it's just an interesting path. Can you tell us a little bit more about how did she end up here? What got you into the program? How did this all play? TRISTAN:             Honestly, it was a giant almost mistake. I was doing research while living in Shanghai for my masters on extreme environmental design and I came across the blog of a Jocelyn Dunn who was the science officer for HI-SEAS 3. While you can't do any direct communication, because at the time she was in her situation, you can leave comments on blog posts and they can respond. I asked her a bunch of questions since it was related to my research. She got back with her actual mission email. I got a bunch of fun stuff, good data, and she suggested that I was interested enough, maybe I should give a the next mission a shot. TRISTAN:             I said, "What mission?" I had no idea that was going to be a another one. It turned out that it was out of my home university back in Hawaii, so I just kind of applied on a lark. Did all the sociology tests online, did the Skype interviews, talked to the psychologists, and got it all narrowed down. Then was quite surprised when they invited me to the wilderness survival in Wyoming. Went out there, we did a week in the bush, and they picked the final six and I made the cut. I found out later a lot of the people who were also selected for crew specifically told them they wouldn't go without me. I went from not knowing that HI-SEAS existed to be locked in the dome at about three and a half months. MARK:                  That's crazy. Yeah. For those of you listening, this turned out to be, and I think still holds true to this day, the longest simulated mission run. Am I correct? TRISTAN:             It's the longest NASA Mars simulation mission run. They've got one or two longer out of Russia in China, but they were extended isolation experiments, not so much mission simulations. MARK:                  Yes. This project again, listeners, we went 366 days. TRISTAN:             Yeah, we got it on a leap year. MARK:                  Yeah. Really. I want to underscore one point. You shared a comment here about the delay talking to the person that initially got you interested in this. As a parent, when Tristan was on Mars, quote unquote, there is a delay. You cannot have real-time Skype or real-time email or anything. You can send an email and it takes 40 minutes because that would be the amount of time a signal would normally take to go to Mars. TRISTAN:             Yeah, round trip. MARK:                  Everything about simulation, they really did everything they could to to make it feel very, very real. It's just an interesting process. What was your role? TRISTAN:             I came in as the crew architect, essentially, so more of a research role than anything because the Hab was designed, but while in there I was conducting research on how people were reacting to the environment, how we might be able to change it for another series of experiments. I also managed all of the EVAs, paperwork, and was one of the de facto head chefs. MARK:                  Oh, yes. Which I gotta say can as a Dad, growing up Tristan wasn't known in the house or within the family as a, as a culinary wizard. He has a younger sister who actually went to the Culinary Institute of America in New York and is an extremely talented person in the kitchen. But it's been nice that Tristan has since really developed some skills, so I'm proud of that as well. TRISTAN:             Unfortunately, mostly with dehydrated foods. MARK:                  Well that's true. Actually, you should share a little bit about that. What was it like in terms of can you give us just a quick overview of what day to day life is like in this dome? I mean, in the amount of space? Can you take a shower? Do you have personal space? Can you just give us a sense briefly of the environment? TRISTAN:             Yeah. The downstairs, the entire area might be 1000 to 1100 square feet, so a very small home with another maybe 400 square feet up top. Each crew member essentially got their very own closet to sleep in. It's about the size of the bed and that's it. You can have a shower, but you get two minutes of shower water per person per week, make it quick. MARK:                  Yeah. Can you explain why there's only two minutes worth of water? TRISTAN:             Yeah, you were just not allowed to use it. essentially There's only so much water on the planet you would be able to use. It would have to go through $1 million water recycling machine. It's just part of the keeping supplies as efficient as possible. MARK:                  Yeah. That's playing out out. Was their recycling going on? Yes. TRISTAN:             Oh, yeah. MARK:                  Certainly there were water deliveries, but it is very much limited. There were some interesting stories where systems didn't necessarily always work. So food? TRISTAN:             Yeah, food. We have a shipping container full of high quality survival rations. The stuff you'd see online where it's like an old coffee can with say chunk salmon, but it's like $85 for that can because once you put hot water in, it's pretty freaking good. Like, the whole time I was in school, Grad school, everything, like call it that nine year period, in the dome with the dehydrated survival food was the best I ate. By a long shot. I made double layer chocolate cakes, mole sauce, enchiladas. I invented the pizza cupcake. MARK:                  Yeah. Pizza cupcake. Oh, man. Okay. Now you're talking. Of my kind of grub. It'd be fun. How did the sort of day to day tasks as opposed to the research? I guess I'm still trying to get a sense of what it was like to be in the dome socially, because that's really what this whole experiment was about. Was there a lot of camaraderie, a lot of stress, a lot of just, and what did you guys do as a group? Because there's just the six of you for 366 days. No real time. You have no connect. You have no Internet access in terms of being able to browse and say is Earth's still with us? TRISTAN:             No phones. MARK:                  Yeah, no phones. How did that play? TRISTAN:             You do a lot of stuff together because you have to. We had maybe 15 official experiments and then maybe 10 of our own that we're just doing for our own personal research. A lot of those were extra vehicular activities where you would be doing well-coordinated group, trying to do stuff in caves or out with cones, just traffic cones we had taken out, and navigating the lava inside. Inside, there's a team building exercise where your trying to maximize your personal score and the team's score, and it's sort of testing how an individual will favor themselves versus the group with various scenarios. It's all pretty subtle. TRISTAN:             Outside of that, there's definitely, I wouldn't call it a schism so much, but there's always the person, say, at work where you get along with them the best. They get your humor, whatever else, and they'll be your go to lunch person for example. There was definitely that in the dome as well. MARK:                  Just on a smaller scale? TRISTAN:             Yeah, on a smaller scale. Yeah, exactly. You know, you're talking about the social aspects of life there. The first thing you have to do is remove all of the social interactions you might have a family because they're not there anymore. You don't have the ability to be an uncle, or a brother, or an aunt, or anything of that sort. You don't have lovers or dating relationships. It's just you have your coworkers, so your society has become massively simplified and now you're trying to fill the social gaps that have been created with the people that you're with. MARK:                  Yeah. I want to come back to that, but we're sitting here talking and I want to explore the EVAs a little bit as well. But you know, my apologies listeners, I do think I've made an assumption. We haven't let people know where you are. Where is the dome and let's just describe that a little bit, because that plays into the importance of what happened, and where all this is, and why this study took place where it did. Can you fill us in? Where is this? TRISTAN:             Yeah, it's a geodesic dome, so just a half sphere, like a half a buckyball, covered in tarp and it is up on a quarry that's about 80 to 100 foot elevation from sea level, halfway up Mount Loa on the big island of Hawaii. Just barren old lava flows as far as you can see. Some of them are the really smooth a lava flow that looks like frozen syrup and you can run around and on it, others look like peanut brittle from hell. Incredibly difficult to get across. I went through like four pairs of hiking boots. MARK:                  Yeah. I recall I had to help buy a pair. Because they do these resupply missions and so if we learned that that one of the astronauts and most of us are taking care of our own family members, if you will, although you can send things for anybody if you really wanted to. But it takes some time, so we would buy a pair of boots, and it gets sent, and then when the resupply mission approaches Mars and drop some stuff off, so that's how they got through some of this. MARK:                  I can assure you, I was out with my wife when they returned to Earth. We were at the Hab when they came back and got to explore this area. When Tristan shares that this is some rugged remote crazy places, I'm telling you, it is. We've talked about caves. These are lava tubes they are exploring. MARK:                  I assume why, I don't assume because I know, but again to share with our listeners here. You talk about being restricted to the dome and then we had these EVAs. This is not put on a tee shirt and a pair of shoes and go explore. Can you describe this a little bit? TRISTAN:             Yeah. If you want to get outside and it's not for a normal mission thing, because I mean we've got all of our regular EVAs. Let's say I just want to go for a walk, essentially. I would need to create a sort of EVA plan, so like a map and a list of activities where I'd like to go, what I'm doing, and a time for it. I have to submit that to mission support and they will approve or deny it. They usually approve it. MARK:                  There really is, again, there is their mission support. These are people on the ground. There's these delays. It's just like dealing with mission control if you're on the moon, except much further out. TRISTAN:             Much farther. MARK:                  So there are all these time delays. TRISTAN:             Yeah. If I'd like to go outside, I won't even get the basic yes or no for maybe 25, 30 minutes if they're watching their email in that moment. It will normally take several hours. MARK:                  So it's approved. TRISTAN:             Yeah. Yeah. Let's say it's approved. Then the next day, because it's definitely not going to happen the same day, I need to get at least four people together, including myself, so that I've got a buddy to go out with me, I need a Hab comm person to man the radio and monitor where we're at, and then a scribe who will work with Hab comm to write down what we're doing, when we did it, important bits of the conversation to send all this data back since, since it's part of the experiments and if you are actually on Mars, you would of course need to do this as well. Then you need to put on a simulated space suit or the Hazmat suits, wrap your shoes and duct tape and other protection, because it is a very rough. MARK:                  It is like glass. TRISTAN:             You need to set yourself up with a camel bag, a headset that goes around your neck or your ears and hooks into your walkie talkie, and get your fans all set up to keep you cool. That takes about an hour to 90 minutes. Then you've got to go into our little airlock, which is between the habitat and our storage container, which is where all our old supplies are and just count down from five minutes, wait for the pressure to simulate getting pumped out. MARK:                  Right. Decompression. Right. Right. TRISTAN:             Then you can go inside. Then you of course have to follow your mission plan, and take pictures, and do all the rest, so it's still work. If you want to go for a walk, it will take you 24 hours and a lot of camaraderie. MARK:                  Yeah. What I'm hearing, if you even just have, you know some times, I think just day to day regular work, every once in a while something stressful happens, or again you just need five minutes, or you need to see to go out and calm down, or relax, or just take a break and things. This is a day's work. TRISTAN:             Yeah. MARK:                  Okay? How did that impact you and your colleague? TRISTAN:             You have got to do other things. Like say exercise, we probably did an average of two to five hours a day just to resist cabin fever more than anything. Get out the stresses. You can shout into a pillow. You can talk calmly with a person driving you crazy, because if you get into an actual argument going to be awkward for quite awhile. It's hard to repair a relationship when you can't escape each other and calm down. While you could, say, go to your room, you can still hear everybody in the habitat or you could go hang out in the shipping container, but then you're just standing next to a bunch of crates of food in the dark. There's not really like, "I'm going to go to the cafe and relax for a bit." You can put it on the VR headset and look at a beach, but you've got to set up the computer. It's not easy. MARK:                  Let me share a story. I can share. Now, Tristan is certainly someone who's in great shape. Prior to his time in the dome, I never knew him to be much of a runner. I mean, he certainly would work out and do things, but this guy was not what I would call a hardcore runner in any way, shape, or form. You ran a complete marathon in the stone on a treadmill. This was not the world's most sophisticated, high tech, brand new kind of piece of equipment. TRISTAN:             Soviet Russia, for sure. MARK:                  I just share that because, again, I think it's important to understand what we're really talking about here. I mean, to work out on this crazy treadmill with, am I remembering correctly, just one window, which is a small little window to look outside? TRISTAN:             Yeah. The size of a medium pizza give or take. MARK:                  Yeah. Okay. The size of medium pizza. You can run on the treadmill and look out that window. I just think, to me, that struck a chord with me in the sense of, wow just to try to make things work, this is how far you go, and you run a marathon. You know, there was a lot of joy, and pride, and probably working to this. I mean, I think it became something of a goal for everybody to have these kinds of accomplishments. Before I get to some final questions, I want to give you a moment or two. Are there any just sort of interesting stories, anything you'd like to share? Something kind of fun or unique about the whole experience? TRISTAN:             Yeah, I think some of the most interesting parts of it, I mean, were of course like what you found you could get through or how you might react to stress. I have very little doubt that given the right crew I could definitely do it for real. I mean, you're going to suffer a lot but I mean it can be worth it. Marathons are never comfortable but they're always worth it at the end. But I was quite astounded by the geography out there that you don't see typically. TRISTAN:             If you're just standing at the dome and you were looking around, it looks like a bunch of lava flows and rocks. It's barren country. MARK:                  It is very barren. That's right. TRISTAN:             In my time there I discovered completely on my own, or with Carmel or Cyprian, just out looking. MARK:                  Fellow astronauts. TRISTAN:             Perhaps 50 lava tubes, some of them with caves inside bigger than a house. Skylights with beams coming down, two stories, and a little patch of plants growing out. Weird undulating, just smooth caverns moving through the countryside. One of them, we hiked underground for maybe a kilometer and then popped out the other side. We got to map these things and just see the most ridiculous geography you can imagine under there with stalactites of frozen lava, and crystals, and all these things. Surreal. MARK:                  Yeah. That actually in some ways, would it be correct to say that these experiences of really exploring in so many ways, it really is just a foreign landscape, you know? Very few people live in this kind of landscape. There's obviously people in Hawaii that are quite familiar with it. Would that become something of a sanctuary just to go out, and see, and explore some terrain that's just very, very new and very, very different. TRISTAN:             Oh, yeah. I mean, we actually ended up doing a great deal of lava tube exploration mapping sort of additionally that we weren't required to do right, but we just enjoyed being underground so much. Once you get in there, you're out of the sun, your suit cools down. The geography's amazing. Cyprian and I actually repelled down a skylight and found a little cave and crawl to the back, and there was a sort of a hole in there about the size of a lounge chair or whatever. With our flashlights and everything else, we could not find the bottom sides or top. It was a black hole and do an endless abyss. We both said, "Let's not come back here." MARK:                  Yeah. Oops. Wrong footing. Yeah. TRISTAN:             Definitely. It'd be cool to go back with like real climbing gear and a team and see what's up because- MARK:                  Or maybe fly some little- TRISTAN:             Yeah. Put a drone down there. MARK:                  A drone down, yeah. TRISTAN:             But I feel like if I had fallen into that I'd still be falling. Yeah, I don't know what it was. MARK:                  Wow. That's very cool. I'd be curious, would you do it again? TRISTAN:             I would absolutely do an experiment of that nature again. At the time of my life it was perfect for finishing dissertation. MARK:                  It just worked, right. TRISTAN:             Yeah. Right now, working freelance, paying off student loans, it wouldn't be a quite so in keeping with my direction, but if I got hired as a space architect for is SpaceX for example and they needed the crew to do a six month to practice this stuff, yeah, of course. MARK:                  I see where you're going, but let me take that even further. Okay. You've had this simulated experience and let's SpaceX or one of these other companies really does get it together. The equipment's there and they're going to send a crew up. I don't know if it's 10, it's 20, I don't know what these early crews will look like. I think you would agree with me that these early flights, the first manned flights, even if they have stuff already on Mars in terms of robotics and a little fuel or water already there waiting and that kind of thing. I think it's pretty much a given that this would be a one way trip. Would you disagree with that? TRISTAN:             Yeah. It's actually probably safer to do it and than it would be to a sale to America way back in like the 1600s. MARK:                  Oh, that's an interesting. Okay. TRISTAN:             Yeah. Like, you're going to go and the ship design will either have it so that when you land there's already a robotic craft that has been waiting for you or you will stay a full year and make some more fuel and then come back, so it'll either be like a three year round trip or like a five year round trip. But as long as you don't have a crazy equipment malfunction or a solar flare that kills everything on the way out. MARK:                  Yeah. See, that's the radiation piece of this and the low G environment for extended period of time, I still think there's a lot of medical things we don't know. TRISTAN:             Oh, there definitely is. Yeah. MARK:                  That's getting on a tangent here for a moment. But I guess what I'd say, so you've had this simulated experience and Elon calls up and says, "Hey. I saw the podcast." There's a podcast it, it's called The Habitat if you want some fun. Six episodes. I encourage you to take a look. That's a lot of fun too. MARK:                  It's just, "Tristan, we've heard about you we, we'd like to get an architect up there and just have some experience to help with future design. We want to see what it's like to experience the transportation space as well as a livable space out there, so you're the guy." Would you go? TRISTAN:             Yeah, yeah. I would not hesitate at all. That'd be the life's dream, essentially. MARK:                  I take that at face fat cause to be honest, if they offered and said your dad has a slot too, if he wants to go. It's like, "Honey, I'm going. Would you like to come?" TRISTAN:             Yeah. MARK:                  Because you and I are just those kinds of folks. I've a great unknown and the call to go and see and experience that. I get that. Thinking about that, however, in light of the simulation you did go through, are there learnings or takeaways that you have? I know NASA and these university had been processing data and and I don't think as of yet there's been any formal reports released. There's just so much data here to process. Where do you come out with this experience in terms of will the crew using the inline space like example, make it in terms of the social dynamics? What are the challenges? What do you take away from the experience? TRISTAN:             You are going to have a two major obstacles to get over and the main one is the fact that you're in this small space with people, so it's going to be who are you taking with you? If you're going to actually go on the real mission, you would go through a great deal more selection than I went through. More tests. You would probably do three months completely isolated on a mountain with your crew to try and find out where friction might exist, and there would be shakeups and changes for probably five years leading up to the mission. The crew who and end up sending is probably going to be rock solid. MARK:                  The best of the best that just, yeah. Yeah. TRISTAN:            They can read each other's minds and they all admire and respect each other. They know when to shut up. They know when to speak right. It'll be a flawless crew. After that, you have to realize that if you put any person in a barren and white room for long enough, they'll go insane and start talking to themselves. You need environmental stimulation, you need social stimulation. If you can build a small craft to get there or a large base once you're there using robotics or whatever else that's able to, as much as possible, simulate the social and environmental complexity of your life on Earth, you will be happier. That's it. If you can just not sell your soul for mission success, and remember who you are, and what makes you able to last. This isn't a marathon. This is running around the world over a year. If you don't stop and take care of yourself, you're going to break. MARK:                  Yeah. That's kind of where I want to go here in a little bit and wrap all this up. I've had the great pleasure and opportunity to speak with some of the people that designed the mission and some of the researchers. Tristan hasn't shared this yet, but I can share what became a very important, I think, not only for Tristan, but truly for the entire crew, one of Tristan's contributions was just to bring a sense of humor. Any comments on how humor played into ... Would you agree that that that was an important component to kind of keep yourself and everybody? TRISTAN:             Yeah, absolutely. Ultimately at the end of the day, stuff's going to happen with people who are being in transient, or an environment that wants to kill you, or a shift that's not working quite as well, or all of the pancake batter runs out and now we've got to eat healthier stuff for two months until the resupply comes. You can't control any of those things, but you can control how you react to them. MARK:                  Exactly. TRISTAN:             If you have to choose between levity or getting really down about it, one of those is going to lead to a better income. If you watched The Martian, Mark Watney's stuck up there for a long time so he starts making light of himself, and talking to potatoes, and asking goofy questions. That will save you, you know? MARK:                  Yeah. What I liked about it, because we had some conversation via email and there's some other ways that we were communicating that we can't get into right now, but in turns to just that there were different technologies being tested throughout this simulation. But one of the things that I started to see just as somebody monitoring and watching a little bit, you guys quickly had to get to the point of where we can't control this and life's too fricking short, and so instead of getting upset, you had to try to find other outlets to include. You know, if it takes a day to get outside to walk you do that, or you has some fun, practical jokes a little bit that are harmless, and those kinds of things. MARK:                  Let me, as we start to wrap this up and I want to sort of tie it back to some earlier comments you made, would it be fair to say to that an important takeaway would be really beginning to understand the importance of support systems? I recall hearing from all of you in different ways that it was surprising who stayed the course throughout the entire 365 days of trying to remain in contact and who said they would at the beginning and then just drop the Earth, or off the map, or radar, whatever you want to talk about here. Could you share just a comment or two on the value of support systems? TRISTAN:             Yeah. I mean, there's sort of a especially an American cultural thing where, for men especially, we're on an island and Russ supposed to like need or desire anything for anybody. Those are typically the types that end up in the woods by themselves in a cavity. MARK:                  It's the classic right stuff. When you think about the early astronauts, you know? TRISTAN:             Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. If you think of not Neal, called Buzz Aldrin. Like he's got a hell of an attitude, he absolutely knows his stuff, extremely cock shore and independent type of person. MARK:                  He's Frank Borman too, same kind of guy. TRISTAN:             Yeah. Same kind of guy. When it comes to we need to put you in this tin can full of dynamite and throw you to the moon, can you handle this, those are the types that are going to be able to do it right. Admire the hell out them. That's amazing. MARK:                  Yeah, it is. Absolutely. TRISTAN:             You do not want to go on a nine month camping trip with that guy because he's going to make the best fire, and he's gonna cook all the best food, and his bow line is going to be better than everybody's, and eventually that sort of confidence, whether it's a deserved or not, becomes incredibly abrasive. When you start getting into a mission length for anything from living at sea to going to Mars, you need people who are emotionally empathetic, who can listen as much as they can take care of you. Maybe they are hot shit, can do whatever, but they don't need to toot their own horn. They're self confident about it and don't need praise. They will see problems before they're developing and take care of it when it's just a gentle issue versus requiring a massive fix. MARK:                  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well in kind of closing from my own perspective, I'd like to share. I was earthbound dad. My wife and I, we took the time to resupply and we took some time to interact with the astronauts in a simulated environment that was being studied and tested. There were all kinds of things we did. It became very apparent to me that support systems, both internal to the environment that the simulated astronauts, simulated Martian astronauts were experiencing became very, very important, but so did support systems on the ground. Then there was this other component, which we've kind of been talking about just a little bit from the importance of even if it takes 24 hours to get approval, but you need your time to go out and experienced something, to get away, to have a break. You talk about learning to cook, and eating some healthy food, and investing in exercise. MARK:                  My takeaway is just, I walked away from that saying, "Boy, here we are taking people and putting them in an extreme environment, in an extreme stressful situation, and seeing what happens." Thankfully we can do it here on the ground because if this thing goes ballistic in space and somebody just decides I've had enough and opens the door in space, everybody's dead. On a Martian volcano, or I'm sorry on a Hawaiian volcano, that's not the true outcome. MARK:                  I think as I look at practices, legal practices, and the life that's so many attorneys lead, I just think there are a lot of takeaways from that experience that are relevant to all of us. I encourage you, if you're listening and find yourself in a stressful situation at work to look to your support systems, to try to emphasize, if we already aren't, behaviors that lead to wellness and behaviors that work for you. I'm not trying to suggest you go out and learn to run, and get a treadmill, and do a marathon treadmill. We can ride bike, go fishing, you can learn to cook, whatever floats your boat. MARK:                  But I do think my observation from everything these six folks went through was just to say wellness and support systems are far more important than I ever really honestly realized. That has impacted me ever since. I'm very, very proud of all the folks that went through this and was able to be there when they returned to Earth. It's something I will never forget and I just lived it vicariously through my son, you know? MARK:                  Tristan, before we close out, is there any final comments you'd like to share? Anything else? I do really appreciate your taking a little time here with that. TRISTAN:             Yeah. No. I mean, I worked in a firm for nearly two years before going freelance with design and architecture and know what it's like to be in a very stressful environment where your boss doesn't super appreciates you, and you're working 75, 80 hours a week, but being paid for 40 and everybody kind of does it because, you know, we're professionals and it's a pretty unsupportive, toxic culture. I would say that a quote I enjoyed, and it applies, call it the riches of your self-life or your intrinsic value, that sort of thing, is try not to be the richest guy in the graveyard. You don't need to be the most successful guy at work. You don't need to be the CEO. You don't need to have everybody like you. If you just get by, take care of yourself, take care of the people that matter to you, and have a good life, you won already. You don't need to be in a Mr. Work guy and everybody's go-to person, especially when they're not taking care of you either. MARK:                  Right. Right. The way I've said that over the years, it really isn't. Whoever has the most toys doesn't win. At the end, it's not about toys. It's about the experience. Well Tristan, I really, really appreciate your willingness to take the time and sit down and have a chat with dad, but to also allow all these other folks that are listening to be part of our conversation, so thank you very much. MARK:                  To all of you listening out there, I hope you enjoyed today's podcast and found something of interest or value to it. Please, as always, if any you have any topics of interest or other folks that you'd like to see if we can interview at some point, please don't hesitate to reach out. My email address is mbass@ALPSnet.com. Thanks folks. It's been a pleasure. Bye bye.  

How would you like a trip to Hawaii with free food and accommodation? Sounds pretty good doesn't it? Would you still be keen if you had to live in a dome designed to replicate conditions on Mars alongside five other people and only eat freeze dried food? Carmel Johnston, is an Environmental Scientist and was the Commander of the latest Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation mission or Hi-SEAS 4 as it’s also known, which is designed to study some of the challenges of living on Mars.

We'll catch up with the latest batch of Mars explorers in Hi-SEAS, or the Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation. With a new crew spending 8 months on Mauna Loa, we'll find out what new experiments are on their manifest during this long-duration mission.

A secret mission beginning in 1986 sought to prepare for a future of human habitation in deep space. When antiquated technology mixes with powerful orange space rocks, a super-evolved hero with insatiable curiosity is born. Get ready to blast into the past and the future simultaneously when writers Adam and Luke dream up a Mega origin story combining classic video games, radical space travel, and Arnold Swarzenegger movies. Ain't no party like a geodesic dome party on this week's episode of the Be Mega Podcast! Inspiration credit! This week's Mega character was partially inspired by the Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and simulation operated by the University of Hawaii (http://hi-seas.org/) and the Red Heaven documentary (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1049661970/red-heaven) that hopes to tell the story of the most recent mission. Check them out. Real people doing Mega work in the real world. The Be Mega Podcast invites you to join writing partners Adam and Luke for a fast-paced session of collaborative creating. Each episode focuses on the development of a character or story about the imagined Megaton City and the daily struggles and aspirations of a growing population of super powered heroes and villains. Support Adam and Luke's Mega work at www.patreon.com/bemega.

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Streamathon - September 24 DUSTING OFF THE DEGREE - Religion and Reproduction THIS DAY IN HISTORY - * 1920 - Liz Carpenter was born * 1938 - Lilly Tomlin was born * 1958 - Iceland expands its fishing zone, putting it into conflict with the United Kingdom, beginning the Cod Wars POLITICS AND RELIGION * Pastor who thinks Pulse victims got what they deserved arrested for molestation | Via Raw Story * Federal judge rejects injunction against California’s new vaccine law | Via Addicting Info * Pediatricians are beginning to reject patients who reject vaccines * Catholic Doctor turned away patient with a dislodged IUD * Georgia parents going to prison for the death of their daughter | Via Friendly Atheist * Christy Perry is being investigated * Top French court suspended burkini ban SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY * CPAPs may not help with cardiac and cerebrovascular issues * Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation completed * Welcome to the Anthropocene Tasmanian devils are recovering FEEDBACK * The Watcher via email * Randy via Facebook * Sylia via Facebook Email us at contact@atheistnomads.com or call us at (541) 203-0666. SUPPORTERS This episode is brought to you by: Dark Matter Sponsor - >US$35.00 * Travis Megee Nuclear Sponsor - US$20.00 - US$35.00 per month * Russ from the Kitsap Atheists & Agnostics * Frank * Darryl Goossen Platinum Sponsor - US$8.00 - US$19.00 per month * Virginia Dawn * Paul Burkey * BT Motley * George Gold Sponsor - US$4.00 - US$7.00 per month * The Flying Skeptic * Renee Davis-Pelt * Mark * Mike * LaTonya * Duncan * Jaded Zappa * Alex * Will * Henry * Alan * Rachel * Bumboclaat * Inciting Incident Bronze Sponsor - < US$4.00 per month * Peter * Heather * Shawn * Al from South Carolina * Archway Hosting provides full featured web hosting for a fraction of the cost of traditional shared hosting. You get all the benefits of shared hosting, without the sticker shock or extra fees. Check them out at archwayhosting.com. You can find us online at www.atheistnomads.com, follow us on Twitter @AtheistNomads, like us on Facebook, email us at contact@atheistnomads.com, and leave us a voice mail message at (541) 203-0666. Theme music is provided by Sturdy Fred.

Streamathon - September 24 DUSTING OFF THE DEGREE - Religion and Reproduction THIS DAY IN HISTORY - * 1920 - Liz Carpenter was born * 1938 - Lilly Tomlin was born * 1958 - Iceland expands its fishing zone, putting it into conflict with the United Kingdom, beginning the Cod Wars POLITICS AND RELIGION * Pastor who thinks Pulse victims got what they deserved arrested for molestation | Via Raw Story * Federal judge rejects injunction against California's new vaccine law | Via Addicting Info * Pediatricians are beginning to reject patients who reject vaccines * Catholic Doctor turned away patient with a dislodged IUD * Georgia parents going to prison for the death of their daughter | Via Friendly Atheist * Christy Perry is being investigated * Top French court suspended burkini ban SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY * CPAPs may not help with cardiac and cerebrovascular issues * Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation completed * Welcome to the Anthropocene Tasmanian devils are recovering FEEDBACK * The Watcher via email * Randy via Facebook * Sylia via Facebook Email us at contact@atheistnomads.com or call us at (541) 203-0666. SUPPORTERS This episode is brought to you by: Dark Matter Sponsor - >US$35.00 * Travis Megee Nuclear Sponsor - US$20.00 - US$35.00 per month * Russ from the Kitsap Atheists & Agnostics * Frank * Darryl Goossen Platinum Sponsor - US$8.00 - US$19.00 per month * Virginia Dawn * Paul Burkey * BT Motley * George Gold Sponsor - US$4.00 - US$7.00 per month * The Flying Skeptic * Renee Davis-Pelt * Mark * Mike * LaTonya * Duncan * Jaded Zappa * Alex * Will * Henry * Alan * Rachel * Bumboclaat * Inciting Incident Bronze Sponsor - < US$4.00 per month * Peter * Heather * Shawn * Al from South Carolina * Archway Hosting provides full featured web hosting for a fraction of the cost of traditional shared hosting. You get all the benefits of shared hosting, without the sticker shock or extra fees. Check them out at archwayhosting.com. You can find us online at www.atheistnomads.com, follow us on Twitter @AtheistNomads, like us on Facebook, email us at contact@atheistnomads.com, and leave us a voice mail message at (541) 203-0666. Theme music is provided by Sturdy Fred.

This is the first episode of the Spincrisis podcast! In this episode, I talk give a brief introduction to who I am, and why I applied for the HI-SEAS program (Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation). Since we are now on day 36 of the HI-SEAS program, I answer a number of questions that have … Continue reading Episode 0 – 36 Days on sMars