Julle Mense

Land in South Africa today remains a critical issue for which people have fought for, been moved from, legislated for, and even gone to prison for. Land is intricately tied up to not only economic stability but also identity and belonging. What is significant is just how much of that land the church owns - more than 180 000 hectares. How could churches begin to use this land to start the healing process in this country and to start bridging the divides across a vastly unequal society? In this episode, Alphonso and John sit down with Caroline Powell and discuss the role which churches, historically have played and continue to play in perpetuating spatial injustice. Why we seem to be so hesitant to get involved in changing the spatial inequalities we experience And what it could look like to move forward as communities of greater justice, hope, and inclusion. SHOW NOTES: 1. Common Good Land Justice Resources - https://www.commongood.org.za/resources/land-unequal-spaces/ 2. Warehouse Annual Celebration: The Church & Spatial Justice - Caroline Powell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb8-nIMoAMQ 3. Reclaim the City - https://www.facebook.com/ReclaimCT/ 4. YIMBY - Yes In My Backyard - https://yimbyaction.org/2021/ 5. YIGBY - Yes in God's Backyard - https://yigby.org/ 6. The Homeless Action Coalition - https://homelessactioncoalition.org/ 7. Ndifuna Ukwazi - https://www.facebook.com/NdifunaUkwazi 8. Development Action Group - https://www.dag.org.za/ 9. The Social Justice Coalition - https://sjc.org.za/ 10. If you wish to get in contact with Caroline you can do so via email at caroline@warehouse.co.za 11. Audio produced by Exilic Music - http://www.exilic.co.za/

Continuing our intermittent Stories of Hope series, Alphonso and John sat down with Brandon Weber from Hope Africa Collective to talk about their work in youth development and community transformation. Listen in as they discuss the holistic, multidimensional nature of poverty; the role which our history and our context play in the narratives we believe about ourselves and each other, and how these narratives continue to entrench and perpetuate poverty. The effects of perpetual stress disorder on the self-perception of value among young people. The role of the church in extending the rule and the reign of God to restore all that has been distorted in society. What would it mean to create a pipeline of value with churches and NGOs working together to serve the marginalised and change the structures of inequality in our country? SHOWNOTES: 1. Find out more about the work of the Hope Africa Collective here: https://hopeafrica.com/ 2. Donate to the work of Hope Africa Collective https://hopeafrica.com/give/ 3. Get involved and volunteer with Hope Africa Collective here https://hopeafrica.com/get-involved/ 4. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za 5. The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a one-off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

Big changes happening at Julle Mense! Listen in as Julle Mense gets Rebooted - no spoilers you got to listen in to find out. SHOWNOTES: 1. Check out Hope City East City here: https://east.hopecity.co.za/ 2. Isiphambano Experiential Learning including Story of the Church Pilgrimage and Story Telling Across the Line Events here https://www.isiphambano.com/training-avenues/experiential-learning 3. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za 4. The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a one-off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode (part 2 of 2) David and John sit down with Rev. Tsakani Sibanda to discuss what reading the Bible in proximity to the poor might look like. In this episode, they explore the relationship of proximity, community, and power in how we read Scripture. What might we miss in Scripture when we fail to recognise our own locatedness, especially when that is out of community with the poor and the marginalised. This episode asks questions of theological training distances from praxis and located in places of privilege. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a one-off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode (part 2 of 3) David and John sit down with Rev. Tsakani Sibanda to discuss what reading the Bible in proximity to the poor might look like. Immediately it begins with a discussion that challenges our concept of proximity as an event rather than a way of living. The team explores the relationship of proximity, community and power in how we read Scripture. What might we miss in Scripture when we fail to recognise our own locatedness, especially when that is out of community with the poor and the marginalised. This episode asks questions of theological training distances from praxis and located in places of privilege. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once-off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode, David and John with special guest Jeremy Koeries, explore the importance of reading Scripture in Community and why that is significant for the pursuit of justice. What impact might reading the Bible in community have on the theology and practice of a South African church still largely divided along racial and economic lines? How might embracing the value of reading in community affect not only what is taught in our churches but also who does the teaching? How critical is learning to read the Bible in community for the mission of the gospel and the faithfulness of our churches in SA? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once-off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

How do we remember those who had a significant impact on the history of our country whilst not necessarily celebrating them? Is it right to simply erase and rename those once celebrated for deeds now condemned? And what do we do with the complexity which history repeatedly throws up wherein our heroes are simultaneously our villains? What do we do when those heroes are also Christians? In this episode, part two of a two-part mini-series, we discuss, as a type of case study, the current controversy around the name of George Whitefield College (our alma mater), in Cape Town and the calls to rename the college. We explore who George Whitefield. We examine the legacy of George Whitefield, as both slave owner and evangelist. And explore why some are now calling for his name to be removed from the college. Is it possible to practice a form of benevolent slavery, which also brings the gospel to unreached peoples? Are we in danger of imposing moderns standards on previous generations instead of recognizing them simply as men of their time? How will history judge us and our gospel witness? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once-off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

How do we remember those who had a significant impact on the history of our country whilst not necessarily celebrating them? Is it right to simply erase and rename those once celebrated for deeds now condemned? And what do we do with the complexity which history repeatedly throws up wherein our heroes are simultaneously our villains? What do we do when those heroes are also Christians? In this part episode part one of a two-part mini-series, we discuss the legacy of Fees Must Fall and Rhodes Must Fall and the impact that had on both church and community. We discuss the accusation that removing statues is an attempt to erase or rewrite history and how do we reconcile the reality that most of our Christian heroes also have an incredibly dark side from Luther's antisemitism to Whitefield's support of slavery. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once-off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

The work of justice includes both critique and energizing hope to imagine a different way of living in this world. A new way of being shaped by the character of God and the values of his kingdom. The story of New Hope is just one of those stories of hope. In this episode, David sits down with Richard, Rudy, and Michael from New Hope to talk about the realities of being homeless in a pandemic and how one church was able to open its doors to become an accommodation microsite to a small group of men. This episode is a story of faith, inclusion, and dignity which will both inspire and deeply challenge you to consider what the Kingdom of God embodied among the most vulnerable of our city might look like. Find out more about the work of New Hope SA here https://www.newhopesa.org/ Make a donation to this important work here https://www.newhopesa.org/donate Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once-off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

The claim that white farmers are being disproportionately murdered and tortured in racially and politically motivated attacks designed to intimidate white farmers and drive them from their lands has over the last few years become increasingly vocal and attracted larger and larger numbers of followers. In this episode, David and John examine the claim that there is a genocide against white farmers happening in South Africa. Are farm attacks politically motivated? Has the talk of land expropriation without compensation led to a rise in farm attacks and murders? Are farm murders more brutal and violent than other similar events in South Africa? What are the factors behind farm attacks? How do we as Christians respond to the reality of attacks on farms and the fear that exists within the farming community? What tools does our theology offer to speak to both the reality and the myths surrounding farm murders? How should we as Christians and as church communities respond to the violence in South Africa? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once-off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

Romans 13 with its command to submit to authorities has historically been used to justify all kinds of injustices and oppression, in both South African and globally. In this episode, David and John sit down with Ph.D. student and pastor Bradley Trout to discuss the interpretation of this passage in its original historical context, as well as its history of interpretation. What is the extent of submission to authorities? When is disobedience allowed? How do we correctly interpret and apply this passage in the context of institutionalised injustices like slavery, colonialism, or apartheid? How might we reconcile this fairly positive picture of the state with the far more negative picture of the state as a demonic beast in Revelation 13? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once-off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode, David and John sit down with the multi-talented visual artist, hip-hop performer, and pastor Ntokeko Mjijwa to talk about Justice and the Arts. What role have the arts historically played in the fight against injustice and oppression? How have the arts been used adversely to promote injustice and entrench false or harmful narratives? How might the church in use the arts to speak against injustice and promote justice? How might the church use art to promote cross-centered justice? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once-off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

Racial trauma is the accumulative effects of racism on an individual’s mental and physical health. In this episode, David and John sit down with psychologist Helen Malgas to discuss racial trauma, what it is, and how it affects us. Can even processes of speaking out or reconciliation contribute to continued racial trauma? How has the church in the past contributed to racial trauma and how might churches today be continuing to contribute to racial trauma? What might it look like for the church to be a community of hope and of healing for those suffering from racial trauma? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

Many of those who choose to speak up against racism and against injustice in the church, particularly black brothers and sisters, face the very real possibility that they may lose jobs, funding, career opportunities, and reputations. Isisekelo is an organization that was founded in order to ease some of those very real tangible repercussions faced by those who choose to align with and live out a more holistic gospel that speaks out against injustice and racism. In this episode, David and John sit down with two of the founders of Isisikelo Chido Warambwa and Tristan Pringle to talk about the obstacles to building new tables, how current church models of finance can perpetuate injustice and how Isisekelo seeks to overcome some of those obstacles. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

The brutal murders of George Floyd ("I Can't Breathe)in the States and Tshegofatso Pule, in South Africa earlier this month was a testimony to the awful reality that, in our world, some lives matter more than others. In this episode, David and John reflect theologically on the Black Lives Matter (#BLM) movement and in particular its significance for South African today. A narrow gospel focussed only on individual salvation has little to say to the realities of racism and gender-based violence, David and John argue instead for a recovery of a robust doctrine of the Imago Dei (Image of God). Finally, they explore the role of the church in the fight against racism and gender-based violence? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

The work of anti-racism and for justice can be incredibly exhausting and even at times lonely. We have all seen or heard stories of those most passionate for justice, shipwrecking their faith, their marriages & families or even their own lives. In this episode David and John sit down with Tyler Burns, Vice President of the The Witness and co-host of Pass the Mic, to discuss the challenges & dangers to those involved in Christian anti-racism work and how we stay in the fight for justice long-term. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John sat down with Heidi Segal from Outliers to talk about the impact of the COVID-19 lockdown on education, the proposed phased reopening of schools, the realities of long-term structural inequalities in education and how the work of Outliers is positioned to address some of these challenges. The discussion also touched on how we understand the gospel and the role of the church in addressing both the present crisis as well as the prevailing crisis of structural inequality. To find out more about the work of Outliers check out their website http://www.outliers.org.za/ Follow them on social media: https://www.facebook.com/outliersedulab/ MAKE A DONATION to their vital work here: https://www.backabuddy.co.za/charity/profile/outliers/ Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David sat down with Jemar Tisby, President of The Witness, a Black Christian Collective, host of the Footnotes Podcast and co-host of the hugely influential Pass the Mic podcast, to discuss his new book "The Color of Compromise: The Truth about The American Church's Complicity in Racism." They also discussed the importance of truth-telling for reconciliation, the importance of the black church, why racism is not merely an individual issue and problematic nature of American evangelicalism Check out the The Witness: A Black Christian Collective here https://thewitnessbcc.com/ Listen to Footnotes and https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/footnotes-with-jemar-tisby/id1460240056 Pass the Mic wherever you subscribe to podcasts https://thewitnessbcc.com/pass-the-mic/ Get hold of The Color of Compromise here https://www.amazon.com/Color-Compromise-American-Churchs-Complicity-ebook/dp/B07BB6R827 Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

Part 4 of our series "Not all Viruses are Equal" reflecting on the impact which COVID-19 could have on communities which are already suffering under the impact of long term structural inequality and the legacy of spatial apartheid. As well as reflecting on the role which the church could play, both during the present crisis, as well in the longer term crisis of the prevailing legacy of structural inequality around issues such as housing, sanitation and spatial apartheid. In this episode David and John are joined by Danielle Moosajie, director of Arise, an NGO involved in family strengthening and adoption support. We discuss the effects of lockdown on families in our most vulnerable communities as it relates to emotional health, existing trauma, family violence and abuse, educational challenges and food security. Find out more about the essential work which Arise does here: https://arisefamily.org/ Donate to their essential work in stengthening families in some of our most vulnerable and unequal communities in Cape Town https://arisefamily.org/donate/ Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

Part 3 of our series "Not all Viruses are Equal" reflecting on the impact which COVID-19 could have on communities which are already suffering under the impact of long term structural inequality and the legacy of spatial apartheid. As well as reflecting on the role which the church could play, both during the present crisis, as well in the longer term crisis of the prevailing legacy of structural inequality around issues such as housing, sanitation and spatial apartheid. In this episode David and John are joined by Pastor Peter Makapela from Christ Church Strand, in Nomzamo as a pastor speaks about the impact of COVID-19 on his particular community. We discuss the reality of lockdown on communities already in crisis. How do you self-isolate in already crowded housing? How do you santize without water or adequate sanitation? How do you self-isolate without food? How do you practice social distancing when community is essential for survival? We discuss the close connection of COVID-19 to the issue of the landless black majority and how this crisis highlights once again the need for a more equitable distribution of land in South Africa. If you wish to assist Christ Church Strand in caring for their community via food, water, sanitation and other essential needs you can contact Pastor Peter Makapela via email - pmakapela@gmail.com Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

APOLOGIES: the sound quality from the Julle Mense hosts is below our usual standard due to a number of technical difficulties. But the content was so good we decided to release it anyway. Thanks to the team at Exilic for their brilliant work in making it listenable. Part 2 of our series "Not all Viruses are Equal" reflecting on the impact which COVID-19 could have on communities which are already suffering under the impact of long term structural inequality and the legacy of spatial apartheid. As well as reflecting on the role which the church could play, both during the present crisis, as well in the longer term crisis of the prevailing legacy of structural inequality around issues such as housing, sanitation and spatial apartheid. In this episode David and John are joined by Dr Vaughan Stannard from Beautiful Gate, an organisation working to protect children and empower and strengthen families in the Lower Crossroads and Philippi area. In this episode we discuss the impact which COVID-19 could have politically, socially and economically on marginalized communities still dealing with the legacy of apartheid. In particular we discuss the growth in inequality which COVID-19 will have on education, employment, economics and food security in already vulnerable and marginalised communities. Find out more about Beautiful Gate here (http://www.beautifulgatesouthafrica.org/) To support the vital work of Beautiful Gate donate here https://www.givengain.com/cc/bgsacovid19response/ https://pos.snapscan.io/qr/STB20C32 Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John share some initial thoughts around the Coronavirus and its potential impact on South Africa. Particularly focusing on the impact which long term structural inequality and the legacy of spatial apartheid could have. They also offer some initial thoughts on the role which the church could play and what it could mean to a good neighbours, particularly to the poor and the vulnerable, in these troubled and confusing times. Here is the link to the article mentioned: https://africa.thegospelcoalition.org/article/loving-my-neighbour-in-the-midst-of-covid-19/ Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John discuss former deputy president FW de Klerk's recent statement (and subsequent apology) that apartheid was not a crime against humanity. We discussd de Klerk's history of similar statements, as well as his testimony before the TRC. We probed what biblical repentance could look like and explored if the church in South Africa was guilty of a cheap repentance. In particular we asked if white Christians and white churches have ever really been broken to the repentance which true reconciliation and justice requires? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John sat down with the "godfather" of African American reformed theology Dr Carl Ellis. We spoke about black consciousness, Dr King and Malcolm X and the limited gospel of American evangelicalism. We heard how black consciousness gave Dr Ellis the right questions with which to approach the text. And how Dr Ellis' own theological education had little to say to the context of his life and ministry in black communities. Dr Ellis reminded us that finding our identity in the Jesus of evangelicalism is not the same as finding our identity in the Jesus of the Bible. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John sat down with One Mokgatle from Rooted Fellowship and Regional Director of Acts 29 Southern Africa to speak about black leadership in multi-ethnic church spaces. We spoke about trans-culturalism and identity in Christ; about white flight and distrust of black leadership. About Churches as prophetic voices on economic reform and racial transformation. We asked why are black pastors always talking about race? We asked questions about white shame and black anger; about reconciliation as an identity rather than a programme. We spoke about the incredible weight put on diversity hires not to mess it up. And of course we spoke about building new and more inclusive tables. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

Our theology and our church culture have not given us the permission, the language or the means to adequately sit with the despair, the anger and the shame of racial injustice, ongoing trauma, and a deeply scarring history. We need to recover the lost gift of lament. Without first learning how to lament we can never truly experience reconciliation. In this episode David and John discuss biblical lament. Why is lament so crucial for a South African church so often focused on joy, celebration and victory? Does the church have a vested interest in avoiding lament? Does lament look different for black people and for white people? Does a theology formed in privilege have space for lament? What could corporate lament look like? How significant might the recovery of a theology biblical lament be for gospel witness in South Africa? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

For too long black Christians have been begging for a place at the table of a largely white shaped evangelicalism. Seeking what has often felt like scraps of recognition and affirmation from those at the table. Or alternatively have had to compromise so much of who they are in order to get a seat at the table. But what if we built new, inclusive tables. Tables where it was ok to be black. Tables where it was ok to talk about both a gospel which embraced both salvation and justice. One such movement doing that is the Living Legacy movement a place where young black Christian creatives – musicians, writers, rappers can be unashamedly black, tell black stories using their own mediums and measures. David and John are joined by the founder of Living Legacy Luxolo Kentane to speak more about these issues. Check out Living Legacy's website https://livinglegacymovement.com/home Music videos on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCarloN5OnH50DkqbQIUZAGQ Follow them on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Living_LGCY Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/livinglegacymove/ Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John respond to the ongoing violence against women and children perpetrated by men in our land. Deliberately centering the conversation on men we explore what the Bible has to say to this toxic masculinity that has so pervaded our society and our churches. How do we respond to statistics which suggest that over 40% of South African women will be raped in their lifetime? Is it true that #menaretrash ? Can we really say #notallmen ? Are these kinds of hashtags useful? What are the root causes of this violence being perpetrated by men? Why is there such an outcry now? What role, if any, does our toxic history play? Does our church culture or even our theology harbour a form of male supremacy? Is the death penalty the answer? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John sit down with Dani Moosajie and Alexa Matthews from Arise to talk about Justice and Adoption. Learn more about Arise and the work they do in family strengthening and adoption support. Listen in as we ask some hard hitting questions about race and adoption; keeping families together; the danger of a saviour mentality in adoption; white parents raising black children, ethnic identity and churches and adoption Find out more about the Arise Adoption Conference happening https://arisefamily.org/events/ Cape Town Adoption Conference - 7 September 2019 https://www.quicket.co.za/events/75997-cape-town-arise-adoption-conference-2019/#/ Johannesburg Adoption Conference - 5 October 2019 https://www.quicket.co.za/events/76872-joburg-arise-adoption-conference-2019/#/ Follow Arise: Twitter: https://twitter.com/AriseFamilySA Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AriseFamilySA/ Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John sit down with Pete Portal, from Tree of Life in Manenberg to talk about his recently released book "No Neutral Ground: Finding Jesus in a Cape Town Ghetto." While Pete tells the story of his journey from London to Manenberg, we talk about incarnational ministry, the narrative of fear around Manenberg, opening their home to recovering addicts, apartheid spatial planning, prayer walking, God's miraculous provision, white saviourism and other mistakes they've made along the way as well as the recent sending of the military into Manenberg. Don't miss the official launch of No Neutral Ground: When: Thursday 15 August Where: YoungBlood Gallery, 70-74 Bree Street, Cape Town. Time: 19:00-20:30 More Details: https://www.facebook.com/events/2471429413091211/ Purchase Pete's book No Neutral Ground: Finding Jesus in a Cape Town Ghetto here: Paperback: https://www.loot.co.za/product/pete-portal-no-neutral-ground/bjbn-5694-g460 Kindle: https://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Neutral-Ground-Finding-Ghetto-ebook/dp/B07FM3M8XY/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1550656381&sr=8-1 Follow Peter on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Pete_Portal Learn more about Tree of Life and their work in Manenberg: http://treeoflife.org.za/ Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John sit down with Jordan Pickering the author of Turn Neither Right nor Left: Re-centering Evangelicalism, to talk about the current toxic polarization within evangelicalism. We discuss the trend of labeling (social justice warriors, liberals, fundamentalist) and dismissing and the danger of arguing from camps rather than embracing positive doubt, disagreement and questioning in order to better read the Bible and engage justly with culture. Is the current interest in social justice a slippery slope that threatens to lead evangelicals away from the gospel? What would it look like to re-center evangelicalism on faith, hope and love? What could a re-centered evangelical movement of justice look like? Purchase Jordan's book here: Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/Turn-Neither-Right-Left-Evangelicalism-ebook/dp/B07TLYV73K/ Paperback: https://wipfandstock.com/turn-neither-right-nor-left.html Follow Jordan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JordanLongwind Blog: https://longwind.wordpress.com/ Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David Cloete sat down with Jeremy Koeries from J-Life Africa (https://jlife.org.za/) to talk about Discipleship and Justice. What is discipleship? What does discipleship have to do with justice and overcoming racism in the church? What implications does justice informed discipleship have for the South African context? How significant is proximity to the poor for discipleship and justice in a country with a history like ours where we were actively kept from separate from one another? How do we practically and intentionally pursue discipleship with a justice edge to our ministry? Don't forget to sign up to hear Ryan Saville speak at our next Justice and Theology Forum on 9 May. All the details and book your ticket here www.isiphambano.com/events/justice-…r-socialization Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John sit down with Ryan Saville from Jubilee Community Church and talk about the upcoming National Elections. How do we vote as Christians? What criteria do we use when deciding to vote? Should churches talk about politics? What does it mean to being an engaged citizen? How do we relate to Christians who vote for different political parties and with whom we may have significant differences of opinion with? Don't forget to sign up to hear Ryan speak at our next Justice and Theology Forum on 9 May. All the details and book your ticket here https://www.isiphambano.com/events/justice-and-theology-forum-overcoming-your-socialization Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John discuss Jesus’ somewhat controversial statement that “The Poor you will Always Have with you, but you will not always have me.” (John 12:8; Matthew 26:11; Mark 14:7. This passage or this saying of Jesus has often been used to justify the non-involvement of the church with social justice or poverty alleviation or to make proclamation or preaching the priority of the church, effectively this is often at the expense of caring for the poor or working for a more just community. David and John examine the Old Testament background to this passage? Question our exegesis which often comes from a point of privilege? Discuss what Jesus and the early church understand by this statement, in particular the apparent priority given by Jesus to preaching over justice. How did the early church understand this passage? What does it mean for us today as we grapple with the relationship between evangelism and social action? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John sit down with Grant Porthen from Jubilee Community Church to talk about Incarnational Ministry and Justice. What is Incarnational Ministry? How does Incarnational Ministry help us pursue greater justice and overcome the legacy of apartheid? Doesn't Incarnational Ministry carry the risk of "white saviourism"? How does an increased proximity to the poor and the marginalised affect how we do our theology? What practical steps could you take to be actively involved in Incarnational ministry? VISION NIGHT: Come join us for an evening of great celebration, incredible story-telling, fantastic entertainment and big vision casting as we look back at an incredible year of God’s work in and through Isiphambano. Come dream with us as we share our vision for the next season of Isiphambano and invite you to join the journey. Get your tickets here: http://qkt.io/visionnight2019 Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John discuss the concept of White Privilege with special guest, Linda Martindale from the Warehouse. What is white privilege? Where do you see it at work in society and in the church? What about those white people who really had to struggle? Does white privilege exclude the reality of hard work? Has white privilege affected the church? Should white people feel guilty? How does the gospel equip us to recognise our privilege and to leverage that privilege to serve Christ and love our neighbour? Is there still a role for white people in church and society and what could that look like? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this two-part episode David and John discuss Decolonisation with special guest Dambudzo Mushambi from Janana (www.janana.org. What exactly is decolonisation? What would it mean to decolonise theology? How does context affect our theology? What would or could a decolonised church look like? Does the Bible itself need to be decolonised? Is there still a place for Western theology? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this two-part episode David and John discuss Decolonisation with special guest Dambudzo Mushambi from Janana (www.janana.org. What exactly is decolonisation? What would it mean to decolonise theology? How does context affect our theology? What would or could a decolonised church look like? Does the Bible itself need to be decolonised? Is there still a place for Western theology? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this final episode for 2018 David and John look back on the year that was, the launching of Isiphambano, the highlights, the challenges and what lies in the future for Isiphambano and Julle Mense. A special shout out and thanks to Tyler Burns and Jemar Tisby from The Witness: A Black Christian Collective ( https://thewitnessbcc.com/)and Pass the Mic (https://thewitnessbcc.com/pass-the-mic/) Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In the light of the controversy surrounding the failure of the City of Cape Town to provide inclusive housing and the subsequent resignation of Councillor Brett Heron, David and John sit down with Caroline Powell from the Warehouse to talk about issue of spatial injustice, inclusive housing, the legacy of apartheid and the role of the church. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John sit down with Tumiso Mfisa, from the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) Student Command, and Kwena Mashela from the Democratic Alliance Student Organisation (DASO)to discuss the role which their Christian faith plays in their political activisim. Both are committed Christians and both are actively involved in their respective political parties. Questions include: what is like being a black Christian in the DA, a party traditionally seen as a white party? Can a Christian be involved in a radical political party such as the EFF? How do you deal with opposition to your Christian faith in your political parties? How has the gospel shaped your political concerns and your attitudes towards social justice? Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link https://www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John review and discuss the South African movie Ellen: The Ellen Pakkies Story, the story of a mother who murdered her tik (crystal meth) addicted son in 2007. This movie, with strong Christian themes, tells the harrowing, true story of a family, a community and a woman whom society has failed. David and John discuss the community of Lavender Hill, in which the movie is set. As well as the systems that created the community, the role of the church, the prominence of prayer and what happens when a mother cries “Ek kannit nie meer vat nie! Ek kannit nie meer vat nie!” (I cannot take it any more) Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John, together with their guest Minah Koela, remember the role of women in the struggle for liberation, discuss the scourge of gender violence, gender inequality, #menaretrash, and the role of women in the church. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David and John sit down with Blaque Nubon and Lilly Million of City Gate Recordings (http://citygaterec.com/)and talk Multi-Racial Church, Leadership, Being a Black Creative, Hip Hop and the Gospel and Blackness. Audio produced by Exilic Music www.exilic.co.za The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode David Cloete and John Scheepers discuss the events surrounding rugby analyst and former Springbok wing, Ashwin Willemse's, walk out from the Supersport studio during a live broadcast accusing fellow analysts Naas Botha and Nick Mallet of patronizing and undermining him. David and John touch on topics such as "the race card", patronizing of black people, white supremacy, insidious racism, the quota system, the church, racism receipts, meritocracy and the legacy of apartheid. The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

The aim of this Land and Restitution forum was to discuss these important issues biblically and contextually. To reflect on our history, our fears and ideologies and our current socio-economic and political context through the lens of cross-centred, contextual theology. To apply gospel thinking and practice to this crucial issue which is currently further exposing the divided state of the church along racial and economic lines. In this talk John Scheepers will explore white fears and anger around issues of land and restitution. The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

The aim of this Land and Restitution forum was to discuss these important issues biblically and contextually. To reflect on our history, our fears and ideologies and our current socio-economic and political context through the lens of cross-centred, contextual theology. To apply gospel thinking and practice to this crucial issue which is currently further exposing the divided state of the church along racial and economic lines. In this talk Ryan Saville explores the legacy of forced removals in Cape Town, including the legacy and the role of the church. The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

The aim of this Land and Restitution forum was to discuss these important issues biblically and contextually. To reflect on our history, our fears and ideologies and our current socio-economic and political context through the lens of cross-centred, contextual theology. To apply gospel thinking and practice to this crucial issue which is currently further exposing the divided state of the church along racial and economic lines. In this talk Lindiwe Mpofu discusses land reform from speak to land from a young, black Zimbabwean, female perspective. The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

The aim of this Land and Restitution forum was to discuss these important issues biblically and contextually. To reflect on our history, our fears and ideologies and our current socio-economic and political context through the lens of cross-centred, contextual theology. To apply gospel thinking and practice to this crucial issue which is currently further exposing the divided state of the church along racial and economic lines. In this talk Peter Makapela discusses the legacy of black landlessness and the townships. The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

In this episode, together with special guest, Pastor Peter Makapela we discuss the recent announcement during the State of the Nation address that the government will seek to accelerate the land distribution programme and that this would include the implementation of expropriation of land without compensation. This announcement has further exposed the divided state of the church along racial and economic lines. In this episode we explore the history of land in South Africa, the varied reactions of white and black Christians to this announcement as well as the crucial link between restitution and repentance in the Bible. The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano

Isn’t all this talk about social justice and reforming society simply just the social gospel all over again? The threat of the social gospel has among evangelicals often been used as a dismissive tactic to equate any talk of social justice with a lack of gospel fidelity. In this episode we explore if this is in fact a fair reaction. Explore just what exactly the social gospel is. And examine the over-spiritualized evangelical response known as the "Great Reversal" and its destructive legacy in South Africa, Finally we ask Can the Kingdom of God exist outside of the Church? And isn't pursuing social justice a slippery slope to loosing the gospel? The work of Isiphambano, including Julle Mense, is advanced through the generous donations and support of those who resonate with a vision of a reconciled and just South Africa. Please consider becoming a partner in this ministry by financial giving either through a once off gift or regular monthly giving. Donate by following this link www.payfast.co.za/donate/go/isiphambano