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An episode that's processing all the right ideas!Here's what's in store for today's episode: * In today's advocacy episode, we tackle the beast that is internalized ableism. We all experience it—but how do we overcome it?* Due to the social model of disability, many autistic people say, "But I'm not disabled!"—when in reality, this is internalized ableism at work.* Our autistic meat bodies get exhausted just from processing stimuli and existing. The world is built for neurotypical survival—yet when we struggle, we're met with, “Have you just tried suffering?”* There is nothing wrong with being disabled—but at the same time, a huge part of our success is out of our control and depends on access to accommodations.* It can be hard to find the balance between doing your best and pushing your limits through masking—which, while it may reveal what you're "capable" of, can also be utterly torturous.* Our hosts discuss the dangers of masking to your limits and how it inevitably leads to burnout.* Due to our bottom-up processing, we're constantly taking in way more information at once than neurotypicals. In Uno terms—it's like we're always drawing a Draw 4 card.* We dive into skill regression and how burnout can hit you like a freight train out of nowhere.* In this episode, Matt and Angela discuss internalized ableism, the dangers of masking, and how burnout and skill regression can hit unexpectedly.* Our hosts discuss mourning the opportunities, friendships, relationships, and job prospects lost when burnout hits.* We discuss the subtle discrimination that arises when neurotypicals judge us as lazy or perceive us negatively due to burnout, without understanding the crucial context of our disability.* Coming out of the neurocloset is so important, though it often comes with immense fear of being judged.* In addition to this, we discuss the right to privacy regarding one's diagnosis, considering the judgment from neurotypicals and the fact that certain states, like Indiana, have autism registries—leaving us uncertain about their intentions.* You might not even realize you're autistic until you have an autistic child or reach burnout. The world is definitely set up for neurotypicals, and many people don't realize they're not neurotypical until they examine the systems they've created for survival in a neurotypical-dominant world.* We talk about how internalized ableism fuels unnecessary infighting within the autism community, such as disputes over functioning labels and levels.* Matt and Angela discuss non-speaking autism and how, contrary to neurotypical opinions, AAC devices actually facilitate speech rather than prevent individuals from ever learning to speak.* Guess what? Highly Sensitive Persons (HSPs) are actually often just autistic, with it being a rebrand of Asperger's, especially among women.* Internalized ableism is often passed down through your autistic lineage, creating patterns that you need to actively work to break. You may slip up and engage in ableist behavior, but it's important to recognize that and know how to address it within yourself.* Angela and Matt talk about their own autistic children and how, for them, doing the work against internalized ableism means making the world better and safer for their kids, while advocating for them.* We talk about autistic pride and how important it is—be proud that you're a zebra, and don't let the world beat you up for not being a horse!* The more you learn about your own needs, the more leeway you can give yourself—whether it's wearing big sunglasses, turning off the bright lights, using the little spoon, or whatever else helps you thrive.* Accommodating yourself and learning more about your own needs is one of the best ways to combat internalized ableism, build a happy, healthy autistic life, and advocate for the community as well.“Due to the social model of disability, we autistic people are disabled. And if you say, ‘but I am autistic and I am not disabled', then that actually is the internalized ableism.” - Matt“When you think, ‘everyone else can do this, why can't I?' - it's the same as a person in a wheelchair saying, ‘everyone else can use the stairs. Why can't my legs work?” - Matt“It requires a certain amount of therapy & personal exploration to identify, ‘what are my actual limits?' Like, where am I disabled? What are my things, versus where should I maybe not be giving up so quickly on certain things?” - Angela“Every machine has limits. A bulldozer can push more than a Camaro. And if you try to make a bulldozer act like a Camaro or vice versa, it's going to damage either machine.” - Matt “For me, the booby prize of having a major burnout episode is that I can't - I literally can't do it anymore. And I'm like, ‘where did it go? I used to be able to do that. Where did it go?'” - Angela“Neurotypicals look at [burnout] and say, ‘wow, how lazy of him not to be at work for a month. There must be something wrong with him. He must be crazy.' And then there's all sorts of discrimination based on that.” - Matt“We can't come out of the neurocloset and be ourselves if we can't be publicly proud of who we are. We're going to judge ourselves based on this artificial standard. Because if they're going to judge us, we say, ‘then in that case, there's a reason that they're judging me.' Because again, we're very reason-oriented people. We have the data, we have the logic. And it's incredibly hurtful to carry around this guilty secret that we can't say to people.” - Matt“We are the autistic culture. We come from a long line of autistic people. We see the traits better than a lot of neurotypical people with many degrees. We live the life. We know what it is. And we are people, same as any other. We're not worse than other people. We're not better than other people.” - Matt“Don't be so judgmental - of yourself, or others. And I think you'll live a longer, happier life.” - MattDid you enjoy this episode? We dive deep into internalized ableism, the challenges of burnout, and how masking can lead to exhaustion. We also touch on the importance of autistic pride and how to accommodate yourself for a healthier, happier life. In the comments, let us know what resonated with you, and use #AutisticCultureCatch to share your thoughts on social media and connect with other listeners!Related Episodes:Bad Autism DiagnosisReframing DSM DiagnosisReady for a paradigm shift that empowers Autistics? Help spread the news!Follow us on InstagramFind us on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyLearn more about Matt at Matt Lowry, LPPJoin Matt's Autistic Connections Facebook GroupLearn more about Angela at AngelaKingdon.com Angela's social media: Twitter and TikTokOur Autism-affirming merch shop This is a public episode. 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Rev Dr Don Hardgrave has served as a pastor, church-planter, denominational leader, author and educator since 1974. His passion for spiritual awakening has contributed to the revitalisation of numerous congregations and the commencement of more than 30 new churches in Australia. In this interview Matt & Don also discuss the Youth camps Don has been involved in, they also chat about the Camp where Matt gave his heart to the Lord!Support the show: http://historymakersradio.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Rev Dr Don Hardgrave has served as a pastor, church-planter, denominational leader, author and educator since 1974. His passion for spiritual awakening has contributed to the revitalisation of numerous congregations and the commencement of more than 30 new churches in Australia. In this interview Matt & Don also discuss the Youth camps Don has been involved in, they also chat about the Camp where Matt gave his heart to the Lord! Support the show: http://historymakersradio.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

For our last episode on ghosts, we look at ghosts and "ghosting" as a metaphor to discuss the marginalized voices of history.     The Know Fear Cast is hosted by Matt, Mel, and Lisa.   Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @knowfearcast or visit us on the web at www.knowfearcast.com. You can contact us via email at knowfearcast@gmail.com. We also have a new subreddit at www.reddit.com/r/knowfearcast.   If you like what you hear, please consider supporting us on Patreon at www.patreon.com/knowfearcast. As a thank you, our $5 a month donors get exclusive mini episodes released on our "off weeks." Even a little bit makes a huge difference. Mixed and edited by Matt Don't forget that Mel and Lisa wrote a book! For more info and orders go to https://www.quirkbooks.com/book/monster-she-wrote

Happy holidays from the Know Fear Cast! Since this episode is scheduled to come out on Christmas Eve, we are re-releasing our episode on the Christmas ghost story.    The Know Fear Cast is hosted by Matt, Mel, and Lisa.   Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @knowfearcast or visit us on the web at www.knowfearcast.com. You can contact us via email at knowfearcast@gmail.com. We also have a new subreddit at www.reddit.com/r/knowfearcast.   If you like what you hear, please consider supporting us on Patreon at www.patreon.com/knowfearcast. As a thank you, our $5 a month donors get exclusive mini episodes released on our "off weeks." Even a little bit makes a huge difference. Mixed and edited by Matt Don't forget that Mel and Lisa wrote a book! For more info and orders go to https://www.quirkbooks.com/book/monster-she-wrote  

For our second episode on ghosts, we discuss how ghosts and time travel stories can be a lot more similar than you might think and how ghosts can represent an "unmooring" or "layering" of time.       The Know Fear Cast is hosted by Matt, Mel, and Lisa.   Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @knowfearcast or visit us on the web at www.knowfearcast.com. You can contact us via email at knowfearcast@gmail.com. We also have a new subreddit at www.reddit.com/r/knowfearcast.   If you like what you hear, please consider supporting us on Patreon at www.patreon.com/knowfearcast. As a thank you, our $5 a month donors get exclusive mini episodes released on our "off weeks." Even a little bit makes a huge difference. Mixed and edited by Matt Don't forget that Mel and Lisa wrote a book! For more info and orders go to https://www.quirkbooks.com/book/monster-she-wrote

For our latest series we talk about a topic we've only hinted at before: ghosts.   The Know Fear Cast is hosted by Matt, Mel, and Lisa.   Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @knowfearcast or visit us on the web at www.knowfearcast.com. You can contact us via email at knowfearcast@gmail.com. We also have a new subreddit at www.reddit.com/r/knowfearcast.   If you like what you hear, please consider supporting us on Patreon at www.patreon.com/knowfearcast. As a thank you, our $5 a month donors get exclusive mini episodes released on our "off weeks." Even a little bit makes a huge difference. Mixed and edited by Matt Don't forget that Mel and Lisa wrote a book! For more info and orders go to https://www.quirkbooks.com/book/monster-she-wrote

We are joined by special guest host and horror/video game connoisseur Nekko to discuss gaming, both video and tabletop, and its special place in the world of horror.   Nekko can be found on Twitter and Twitch at @nekkotheodd   The Know Fear Cast is hosted by Matt, Mel, and Lisa.   Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @knowfearcast or visit us on the web at www.knowfearcast.com. You can contact us via email at knowfearcast@gmail.com. We also have a new subreddit at www.reddit.com/r/knowfearcast.   If you like what you hear, please consider supporting us on Patreon at www.patreon.com/knowfearcast. As a thank you, our $5 a month donors get exclusive mini episodes released on our "off weeks." Even a little bit makes a huge difference. Mixed and edited by Matt Don't forget that Mel and Lisa wrote a book! For more info and orders go to https://www.quirkbooks.com/book/monster-she-wrote

For our new series on "new media horror" we tackle a genre that we haven't given much attention to yet: comic books and graphic novels. From the pulp comics of the '40s and '50s to more recent entries like Walking Dead and 30 Days of Night, we explore horror in comic form   The Know Fear Cast is hosted by Matt, Mel, and Lisa.   Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @knowfearcast or visit us on the web at www.knowfearcast.com. You can contact us via email at knowfearcast@gmail.com. We also have a new subreddit at www.reddit.com/r/knowfearcast.   If you like what you hear, please consider supporting us on Patreon at www.patreon.com/knowfearcast. As a thank you, our $5 a month donors get exclusive mini episodes released on our "off weeks." Even a little bit makes a huge difference. Mixed and edited by Matt Don't forget that Mel and Lisa wrote a book! For more info and orders go to https://www.quirkbooks.com/book/monster-she-wrote

For our last episode on fairy tales we talk about some modern retellings of fairy tales and also discuss some '80s movies that might qualify as fairy tales.   The Know Fear Cast is hosted by Matt, Mel, and Lisa.   Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @knowfearcast or visit us on the web at www.knowfearcast.com. You can contact us via email at knowfearcast@gmail.com. We also have a new subreddit at www.reddit.com/r/knowfearcast.   If you like what you hear, please consider supporting us on Patreon at www.patreon.com/knowfearcast. As a thank you, our $5 a month donors get exclusive mini episodes released on our "off weeks." Even a little bit makes a huge difference. Mixed and edited by Matt Don't forget that Mel and Lisa wrote a book! For more info and preorders go to https://www.quirkbooks.com/book/monster-she-wrote

For our second installment on fairy tales, we discuss the horror and symbolism behind the sleeping princess trope in fairy tales.   The Know Fear Cast is hosted by Matt, Mel, and Lisa.   Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @knowfearcast or visit us on the web at www.knowfearcast.com. You can contact us via email at knowfearcast@gmail.com. We also have a new subreddit at www.reddit.com/r/knowfearcast.   If you like what you hear, please consider supporting us on Patreon at www.patreon.com/knowfearcast. As a thank you, our $5 a month donors get exclusive mini episodes released on our "off weeks." Even a little bit makes a huge difference. Mixed and edited by Matt Don't forget that Mel and Lisa have a book coming out soon! For more info and preorders go to https://www.quirkbooks.com/book/monster-she-wrote

   Episode #1 Description   Welcome to “What the Lyric?!?” In this episode, we bring our favorite bad lyrics from Pop Music (c. 2016-2019). One song from an artist who desperately wants to fix her “Reputation” with some cringe-y spoken-word lyrics. And another from a Brit whose time would best be spent learning to “let go” of the booze.   Transcript of Episode #1   Becky: Welcome to What the Lyric?!? -- the podcast that confirms...yeah, that actually made it to radio.   Matt: Is it recording?   Becky: Oh now we’re recording. Oh fun!   Matt: Oh yay!   Becky: Hello everybody and welcome to What the Lyric?!? where we talk about how much we love awful, awful lyrics. A little bit about me: I’m Becky. I will listen to anything once, and over and over again if it’s really bad. And then there’s Matthew over here, my partner in crime…   Matt: You know, honestly, if you had to summarize my musical tastes, the best way to look at it would be to say that my go-to karaoke song is “Promiscuous” by Nelly Furtado ft. Timbaland.   Becky: So you know we have good taste. That goes without saying. How this whole podcast is going to work is...We have one song each that {...} we get to pick off the theme of the episode. Today’s theme is Pop Music from 2016 to 2019. We get to do a dramatic reading, and after the dramatic reading, we talk about why the lyrics are SO bad and why we had to call it out. All right, so starting first is...Matthew.   Matt: Okay.   Becky: Get ready.   Matt: Definitely get ready for this. So I chose a song...just to give you a little context for this: it comes from, I believe, August of 2017. So put yourself in that state of mind. It’s a year after the election; things are terrible...still.   Becky: I was probably high.   Matt: I mean, weren’t we all?   Becky: Yeah.   Matt: It is Seattle.   Becky: You’d have to be.   Matt: And so this person has decided to reshape their image and, you know, I’ll just let the lyrics speak for themselves:   “I don’t like your little games Don’t like your tilted stage The role you made me play Of the fool, no, I don’t like you I don’t like your perfect crime How you laugh when you lie You said the gun was mine Isn’t cool, no, I don’t like you (oh!)”   Matt: And that’s the first stanza.   Becky: Okay, so I’m guessing… Who’d be packing heat in 2017, you said? August?   Matt: Uh huh. Changing the image!   Becky: Could be… Oh! Changing the image? Only because of the changing image thing, that would be Taylor Swift?   Matt: Correct.   Becky: Oh the Swifties.   Matt: But do you...do you know the song?   Becky: Oh Jesus! Is it that...It’s the one where she then breaks it down and says, “Oh, Taylor Swift isn’t here right now. Because she’s dead!” Something along those lines? *Laughs*   Matt: This would be “Look What You Made Me Do” by Taylor Swift.   Becky: Oh yes. *Repeats the phrase “Look What You Made Me Do” twice.* Or however the rest goes.   Matt: Exactly. And really, my choice for all of the songs in this podcast are based on what I like to call “Cringecore.”   Becky: I love that. We are going to copyright that.   Matt: *Laughs* Really any songs that have lyrics that [make you go] “Oh!” You’ve heard of cringe comedy; that’s kind of how I view these lyrics.   Becky: I like it.   Matt: And specifically the -- what makes this so cringey is what you already mentioned, the, let’s find it…”I’m sorry the old Taylor can’t come to the phone right now” set to the background music of, “Ooh, look what you made me do.” “Why?” “Oh ‘cause she’s dead! Becky: The old Taylor is, like, what? 23? 24? I mean, she’s not old.   Matt: She’s got a guitar. I mean, her…   Becky: She’s country. Country Taylor.   Matt: She’s Country-Pop.   Becky: Yeah.   Matt: Don’t you remember when it was just a love song, baby?   Becky: Oh man. Oh God. Ohh...Getting a little gag reflex going.   Matt: And don’t forget the “I knew you were trouble.”   Becky: Oh is that the one with the turtle sex noise meme?  *Laughs*   Matt: *Laughs* That is exactly what that is. *Laughs*   Becky: My favorite ever!   Matt: So really Taylor...I had a lot of options, just based on Taylor, but I have to admit, the lyrics are just...a mess. Let’s keep it going. I mean, we’ve already heard the first stanza.   Becky: Oh yeah.   Matt: But then she continues to say she doesn’t like being the fool, but “[she] got smarter, [she] got harder in the nick of time.”   Becky: How does one get harder when they’re carrying their cat around everywhere? I see a lot of photos of her with her cat. Don’t get me wrong, [I’m a] crazy cat lady, but I’m not taking Kink with me...My cat’s name is Kinky Disco. I’m not taking Kink with me to the grocery store, to the gym...Okay, I don’t go to the gym, but like, I’m not taking her out on a night on the town.   Matt: Unlike Taylor Swift, which I will also say I find it interesting that for a woman whose last name is Swift, she didn’t choose “faster” for the lyric. Like, that would have made AS much sense… “But I got smarter, I got faster in the nick of time.” Okay! I’ll still take that!   Becky: She got badder? I’ve never heard her swear! I’ve never seen her not smile.   Matt: She doesn’t swear in this song either. The real question, and we can answer this question at the end of the analysis, but what, what, WHAT did we make her do? I’m just very curious.   Becky: Maybe make her carry a cat around all the time. *Laughs*   Matt: *Laughs* We did this to ourselves.   Becky: Maybe she has to date all these DJs. Maybe we forced that on her with our expectations of her music and turtle sex noises.   Matt: And her Starbucks lovers!   Becky: Oh God, that’s right.   Matt: “But honey, I rose up from the dead. I do it all the time.” Necromancer, interesting. “I’ve got a list of names and yours is in red, underlined. I check it once, then I check it twice. Oh.”   Becky: Wait, what does that mean? What are you doing? You checked it. Yup, still there.   Matt: Based on the lyrics alone, we have realized that she has gotten harder in the nick of time and also, presumably, become an elf of the Santa variety. She’s making lists; she’s checking them twice. Don’t know why she’s using a red pen.   Becky: Well it is festive. Red -- Christmas-y. Becky: See I can’t get past the “hard” part. She’s not like, all of a sudden, turned to Nicki Minaj-hard. Or like, back in the day, Lil Kim hard.   Matt: She’s not going to be Beyonce carrying around a baseball bat, breaking windows.   Becky: No, but she did bust out the band, the marching band.   Matt: Oh we can always get into that!   Becky: I saw that! I saw that!   Matt: But if that’s the case, then she still did not get harder in the nick of time because she’s still following Beyonce.   Becky: Yeah. And pink isn’t really a “hard” color for me. Like, it’s not a color I go, “Oh! I see Notorious B.I.G. is wearing pink. He’s hard.” That isn’t why I would have classified him as hard. I don’t think I’ve ever seen B.I.G. [in pink.] Maybe he did? I don’t know; I’d have to go back and look now.   Matt: *Laughs*   Becky: I feel like I’d have to look that up. *Laughs*   Matt: And then really, the rest is chorus, which in case you haven’t realized it, is just: “Ooh, look what you made me do. Look what you made me do. Look what you made me do. Look what you just made me...OOH, Look what…” Okay, I think we’ve got the idea.   Becky: I feel like someone got lazy. I feel like that happens a lot in lyrics. And that’s lazy.   Matt: Which part?   Becky: The just repeating the same line over and over and over again.   Matt: Yeah, it’s not a good look. And worse, is the next stanza:   “I don’t like your kingdom keys” Kingdom keys.   Becky: Keys? As in house keys? Car keys?   Matt: Yeah, apparently someone’s got a kingdom.   “They once belonged to me.”   Becky: Okay.   Matt: Uhhh, questions?   “You ask me for a place to sleep Locked me out and threw a feast”   And the best part of this is at the very end of the line is, “What?!” So even Taylor looked at these lyrics, “Locked me out and threw a feast...WHAT?!” And they just included it.   Becky: Yeah, they said fuck it. It’s Taylor Swift; it’s going to be huge. That’s exactly how it happened.   Matt: And ultimately, it was.   Becky: I know!   Matt: “The world moves on, another day, another drama, drama But not for me, not for me, all I think about is karma And then the world moves on, but one thing’s for sure (sure) Maybe I got mine, but you’ll all get yours.”   Becky: All of a sudden we’ve gone from one person to all?   Matt: Oh yeah. So whoever took her kingdom keys apparently stole her keys, stole her kingdom and was like, “No bitch, you don’t live here anymore.”   Becky: Could kingdom keys *laughs* be a metaphor for virginity, here?   Matt: But then which one? Which one of the Starbucks lovers is guilty of that.   Becky: *Laughs* I wish I had kids so that I could be like, “Kids, keep your kingdom keys as long as you can. Just lock them away.”   Matt: “Your chastity belts won’t rust. Don’t worry.”   Becky: “Just keep those kingdom keys to yourself and be sure to give them to the right person.”   Matt: Abstinence-only education.   Becky: “And if you are going to give them away, just keep them protected.”   Matt: Just keep them on a carabiner. Becky: *Laughs* Those Schneider keys that had the chain you could just pull and snap back.   Matt: Exactly!   Becky: Keep them safe. You’ve got to know where they are at all times.   Matt: Taylor did not follow that advice. She is thinking about karma apparently. She’s not going to do anything about how angry she is, which again really contradicts the meaning of the song.   Becky: The “Look what you made me do”!   Matt: Exactly. She’s like, “Oh karma will take care of it. I won’t do anything about it except sulk.”   Becky: I’m going to sit and just bitch about it.   Matt: Yeah. And honestly, the rest of the song. A) It goes back to, “I got smarter, I got harder in the nick of time.” Return to that and then another amazing chorus of “Look what you made me do.” And the final, original set of lyrics is:   “I don’t trust nobody and nobody trusts me. I’ll be the actress starring in your bad dreams. I don’t trust nobody and nobody trusts me. I’ll be the actress starring in your bad dreams.”   And it just repeats until it transitions flawlessly into “Ooh, look what you made me do.”   Becky: Taylor. Taylor, I get that you’re young, probably started partying, started drinking a little bit and that’s where this came from, maybe. I don’t know.   Matt: Girl’s nearly in her 30s.   Becky: Yeah, I don’t get it.   Matt: Britney had a weird stage; I’ll allow Taylor one, but this was a…   Becky: Britney had a good one because she shaved her head.   Matt: *Laughs* She put on a show!   Becky: *Laughs* She is a showman through and through. Like, she shaved her head, tried to attack somebody with an umbrella…   Matt: I don’t remember the umbrella… Becky: Oh yeah, that was after she shaved her head. I think she went for somebody’s car window because they were taking photos of her in the car, so she went for that. Yeah. That’s a good photo to look up. It’s priceless.   Matt: That’s the next segment.   Becky: Yeah, that’s the second podcast. Photos of people going crazy.   Matt: That’s the first one!   Becky: Okay, so I think, universally, this song is incredibly awful. I think we can both agree.   Matt: Do we have a rating for this?   Becky: I would say she’s mild. Like, on a scale of 1 to 5 -- like, 5-star spicy crappy lyrics -- she’s probably right in the middle there.   Matt: I am inclined to agree.   Becky: It’s like a 3-4.   Matt: Right. It depends on your own taste buds, your ethnicity. Certainly when it comes to this song.   Becky: Oh god, yeah.   Matt: Honestly, on a scale of 1 to 5 yikes, I’m inclined to give it a 3. What nudges it toward 4 is the spoken lyrics...   Becky: Yeah.   Matt: “The old Taylor can’t come to the phone right now.” “Why?” “‘Cause she’s dead.” And then I just hear the teenager in me slam the door and yell, “You’re not my real mom and you never will be!”   Becky: *Laughs* I will say, also, [those lyrics are] my favorite part of the song.   Matt: It’s only the original part of the song!   Becky: It really is! It really is. That’s like her acting out. And you’re like, “Oh. Ohh. Taylor got edge.”   Matt: To be honest, what would have kept it at a 3, if they would have just deleted the spoken word portion. This would have been a goth “Call Me Maybe.”   Becky: Yeah. Ooh, yes! I like that. I agree with you on that one. So we’re going a solid 3 to 4 yikes on the awful lyrics scale.   Matt: I am inclined to agree. It’s not the worst. It’s certainly not the best lyrics.   Becky: It’s definitely not. *Noise of a truck* Sorry for the trucks in the background, people! This is what happens when you record in an old building. Alright, so mine...Honestly, I don’t know when it came out. This song is the reason this podcast is existing because my coworker heard me bashing these lyrics and said, “Oh my god, please record this.” So Ellen, here you go!   Oh God, how do I do this? Okay:   “I met you in the dark, you lit me up You made me feel as though I was enough We danced the night away, we drank too much I held your hair back when You were throwing up   Then you smiled over your shoulder For a minute, I was stone-cold sober I pulled you closer to my chest And you asked me to stay over I said, I already told ya I think that you should get some rest”   Becky: And then it goes into the chorus. Go ahead, see if you can guess this one. Yeah.   Matt: I’m going to need some more lyrics.   Becky: I’m going to go into the chorus right now:   “I knew I loved you then But you'd never know 'Cause I played it cool when I was scared of letting go I know I needed you But I never showed But I wanna…”   Becky: I can’t even get to this part without laughing.   “But I wanna stay with you until we're grey and old Just say you won't let go Just say you won't let go”   Becky: ...Which is the name of the song.   Matt: Ohhhh my God.   Becky: That is James Arthur’s “Say You Won’t Let Go.” Now James Arthur, if I remember correctly won, like, X Factor, which is a British TV show like…   Matt: America’s Got Talent?   Becky: Yeah! I think it’s something similar.   Matt: Are there buttons?   Becky: There are people who are guest judges or whatnot. I think it might just be music, so it’d be like an American Idol situation. And [this song] is one of the more popular wedding songs, which I find offensive.   Matt: Oh no.   Becky: Yes! Yes, this is played at weddings. People pick this as their wedding song. So I’m going to go ahead and we’re just going to start again. So he starts with:   “I met you in the dark, you lit me up You made me feel as though I was enough”   Sweet enough sentiment. Right?   Matt: I will say it sounds like they’re both getting high at a party, which I’m just like, “Oh okay.”   Becky: They’re young. They can do that. I mean, I don’t remember the last time we’d dance the night away. Here’s where I start to have some issues with this being at all a good song and even a wedding song, where he says:   “I held your hair back when You were throwing up”   Now, there’s so many things here for me. You just met her and now you’re holding her hair back. While she’s puking.   Matt: Wow.   Becky: Do you want to be with a girl who can’t handle her booze is my number one question. *Laughs* Like, is that a thing?   Matt: I mean, I have to hand it to him. I can definitely see a couple of things wrong with the dating culture. Number one -- women who look at this song and think, “You know what? I’m just looking for a man who’s going to hold my hair back 30 minutes after I’ve met him.”   Becky: She’s gotten to that point. It’s like in Singles where she’s like, I was looking for all these things, and now I’m just looking for a man who says “God bless you” instead of “Gesundheit” when they sneeze. That’s where she’s at.   Matt: I mean, it’s a pretty low threshold.   Becky: Yeah.   Matt: But I also think it’s very much a critique on straight men who are like -- there’s no such thing as a red flag to me. She’s vomiting in a toilet? I bet I could get laid tonight!   Becky: She is so beyond her means; if anything, we’re going in for the kill. Okay, so now it says:   “You smiled over your shoulder”   Becky: All I can picture at this point is puke-face, which is puke stuck in the teeth, her make-up is now down around her cheeks, she’s got raccoon-face. She is that girl at the end of the night who is missing a shoe. And is holding the other one in somebody else’s shoe in her hand. Her purse is open; shit spilling out all over the place. That’s the girl I’m picturing, and you’re like…”Yeah.”   Matt: Say you won’t let go!   Becky: *Laughs* This is the girl for me. Forever. No. No, I can’t...And a wedding song! I’m going to keep saying this. This is a wedding song. People pick this for their freaking wedding.   Matt: See, what I love about that is that it explicitly gives the couple permission to drink too much, to dance the night away. And THEN, as she’s puking, he’s going to be like, “It’s like the first night we met!” *Laughs*   Becky: Open bar at this wedding! Very clearly. We’re not going to have food, just booze because we’re going to relive our first night. I can’t. And then he says:   “For a minute, I was stone-cold sober”   Becky: Now, when you sobered up for that second, did you go, “What the fuck am I doing?” Because that’s [when] I would have gone, “What am I doing? Why? This girl is puking and I’m holding her hair back and that’s the girl I think…”   But then he went, “Nope! We’re good. I don’t know what that was about. I’m pushing that to the back. Pushing it to the back. That is not a red flag in any way.” I don’t get it. And clearly, puke-face is a turn-on for this guy because then he pulls her close.   Matt: He’s got a thing.   Becky: *Gagging noises* It’s giving me the gag reflex thinking about it. Then he says:   “And you asked me to stay over I said, I already told ya”   Classy. He’s good.   Matt: Wow.   Becky: Yeah:   “I said, I already told ya I think that you should get some rest”   Becky: Now I’m not sure if he’s just being nice because she just lost the contents of her entire stomach in front of him and he doesn’t want to embarrass her any more or he’s like, “I’m going to go in for the kill even though I said ‘Let’s just get some rest.’”   Matt: He’s closing the deal. Honestly, if he cared, he’d be like, “We’re going to get you some water and medical attention.”   Becky: This is a “Me Too” movement issue.   Matt: Yeah, a #MeToo moment.   Becky: And then he goes on: “I knew I loved you then.” Got to be a fetish. Like, puke-face fetish. I don’t know. Not anything I go for. “But you’d never know.” Yeah because she’s black-out drunk. Who remembers during black-out drunk-ness? And then he says: 'Cause I played it cool when I was scared of letting go.” Yeah because she could die of alcohol poisoning. *Laughs* There could possibly be a death that your fingerprints are on the body now.   Matt: He’s scared of letting go and yet, at no point does he think, “You know, there are medical professionals who are paid to take care of this.” Becky: Yeah, maybe urgent care. That’s all I’m saying.   Matt: She deserves better at this point.   Becky: Yeah, and then he goes into, “I know I needed you.” More like she needed you rather than the other way around?   Matt: Yeah, she needed you in the same sense that she needed to be hydrated.   Becky: Yeah, maybe needed to be told, “Maybe not that last drink.”   Matt: Exactly. And this is going to be a bad decision.   Becky: Stop spinning while you’re dancing. Doing that little spinny-dance. That hippie dance thing. I don’t know. I don’t dance. I have no idea what the kids do these days. So then we go into the he wants to stay with her when she’s gray and old.   When you’re gray and old and you’re still puking into a toilet, holding her hair back. That’s old.   Matt: My brain went the opposite direction. Of course he’s excited for her to get gray and old because then all sorts of bodily functions go haywire. He definitely has a kink for this.   Becky: He’s waiting for the diaper stage.   Matt: Yep. 100%.   Becky: So then we get to the next bit:   “I'll wake you up with some breakfast in bed I'll bring you coffee with a kiss on your head”   This is an intervention. She’s daydrinking; she’s hungover. That’s what this has to be.   Matt: Too many damn mimosas.   Becky: “And I'll take the kids to school.” ...Because Mom’s had too much Mom-juice? What is happening here? Now we’ve established there’s a cycle. There’s a problem. “Wave them goodbye.” Because Mommy’s going to rehab and you’re not going to see her for a little while is what I’m getting. I could be wrong. “And I'll thank my lucky stars for that night.” The puke night? You’re thanking your stars because now you are having to take over care -- ALL the care of your kids -- because your wife can’t get out of bed because she’s been day-drinking and going on the Mom-juice.   Matt: Alright, two things. Well, actually, two kinks really come out of this. Number one, he definitely has a thing for girls who are messes. Like, full-on messes. Number two, the dude was playing long-game. If I can get with an alcoholic woman, enable it…   Becky: There will be diapers sooner [rather] than later!   Matt: Exactly. *Laughs* And I cannot wait to get custody of the kids who don’t exist yet. So...interesting, James Arthur.   Becky: Maybe that’s all he wanted was kids. And he just needed some drunk, crazy lady that would believe anything he said to her just to get those kids.   Matt: I hate to say it, but I know a fair number of straight women who, if a dude held their hair back, they’d be like, “Aw, he’s got a caring, tender soul.”   Becky: Yeah, I probably would have said that in my twenties. I’m also 45 now, so I’m like, “There’s something wrong with this guy.”   Matt: That’s because it’s amazing when you get out of your twenties...the clarity through which you can see the world!   Becky: Oh my God, yeah. Okay, so then we go back into the whole, “When you looked over your shoulder. For a minute, I forget that I'm older.” And here’s where I become an asshole for picking this song because the next line is, “Because you’ve been too busy hiding her alcoholism from the family.” The song’s about alcoholism! People are playing this for weddings! Again, top wedding song -- alcoholism is mentioned in the lyrics.   Matt: Wait, repeat that exact lyric.   Becky: “Because you’ve been too busy hiding her alcoholism from the family.”   Matt: Wait, who is? He is?   Becky: He is. His whole little stanza is:   “When you looked over your shoulder For a minute, I forgot that I'm older Too busy hiding her alcoholism from the family.”   Matt: This took a turn…   Becky: I know! I’ve never gotten past the first stanza where he’s holding her hair and she’s puking. No idea that they would all of a sudden mention alcoholism. THEY MENTION ALCOHOLISM. How is this a wedding song? You people have got to listen past the first stanza. And then it goes into, “I wanna dance with you right now.” I’m assuming now because shouldn’t she be in rehab? And then, “Oh, and you look as beautiful as ever. And I swear that everyday'll get better.” Everyday’ll. That’s everyday, apostrophe, L, L. Get better. “You make me feel this way somehow.” I don’t know. What would that way be? Afraid of drinking?   “I'm so in love with you And I hope you know Darling your love is more than worth its weight in gold.”   Now we’ve just completely gone past the alcoholism. That was just a little blip. Just a little mention.   Matt: Just going to drop that in as a reminder.   Becky: Yeah. Then this one gets me, “I wanna live with you/Even when we're ghosts.” Really?   Matt: That’s eternity.   Becky: That’s really...no.   Matt: I have yet to meet a single person in my living life who I would want to spend an actual eternity with.   Becky: I don’t want to spend that much time with my cat.   Matt: Ah! But see, that is the precise lyric that made that a wedding song.   Becky: Yeah. OR “I'm gonna love you till/My lungs give out.” Till my lungs give out?   Matt: But then he just literally contradicts what he’s just saying. He’s like, “I’m going to…” What?   Becky: Be with you even when we’re ghosts. But now it’s just till my lungs give out. He backed it up a bit. He was like, “Ooh…”   Matt: There was a rug that he pulled out from underneath her, which is that he doesn’t believe in ghosts.   Becky: OR he’s thinking he’s got a better shot in the afterlife of hooking up with, like, Anna Nicole Smith or something.   Matt: I’m guessing. But no one says what Anna Nicole Smith looks like after she died. What form of Anna Nicole? Becky: He’s thinking ahead. FAR ahead since he cut it back down to just till my lungs give out. “I promise till death we part like in our vows”?   Matt: Yikes. That’s just poor sentence construction.   Becky: Well, again, this song is about alcoholism and it’s a top 10 wedding song.   Matt: That’s a winner.   Becky: I think it’s a top 10 wedding song mainly because he’s British and the Brits do love their booze. *Laughs* So I’m sure it hits home with a lot of Brits.   Matt: I’m going to give you the win on this one. It was never a competition. I’m giving you the win. That is a clusterfuck of a song.   Becky: That TOP hit...I don’t even know what it topped at, but it’s up there. Not only that...WEDDING SONG.   Matt: First of all, he didn’t just have a thing for ladies who were messes, he then also proceeds to move forward with it to be like, “You know what I really love about you? How you hide your debilitating substance use from your family. That’s a major turn-on for me.”   Becky: See? He gave us a little hint in the beginning, and we’re all like, “This guy’s just an idiot. They’re just young.” And then it’s, “Oh shit. They’re alcoholics.”   Matt: She’s got a problem! And then it should have just been, “I’ll love you until we’re ghosts, which will be soon because your liver won’t last much longer.”   Becky: Because cirrhosis is bad. I say this is right up there. I say this is a 4.5 on the yikes scale for me.   Matt: I was precisely thinking somewhere between 4 to 4.5, but I will give it credit. There’s no way it’s going to be a 5, only because there was an emotional journey there.   Becky: There was. He took you on a little bit of a ride, albeit a crazy rollercoaster of alcoholism clusterfucks.   Matt: I don’t think I would have ever..No, no no. AMENDMENT: I would have never guessed there was an actual major pop song that had the word alcoholism in it.   Becky: Now I feel like I’ve got to look it up, but he was up there. I can’t remember where it was, but it played a lot, and I was like, did anyone actually listen to these lyrics before it went anywhere outside of the recording studio?   Matt: I think they saw it and thought to themselves, “Oh my God -- the UK -- this is going to be relatable.”   Becky: *Laughs* These people drink like fish and they are going to love this song. Alright, let’s see if I can find it...where did this damn song hit. I can’t believe this song about alcoholism made the charts. Let’s see, Brit Awards...Video of the Year and Single of the Year in 2017. Also, Oh thank God, it wasn’t for Teen Choice Awards. Thank goodness!  He also won American New Artist of the Year that year!   Matt: No. This is #MeToo moment. First of all it was a #MeToo moment and then, following that, was alcoholism and neglect?   Becky: Peaked at number 11 on the Billboard Hot 100. In May 2018, it was reported that The Script, also another classic band, had launched legal proceedings against him due to alleged copyright infringement in regards to this song.   Matt & Becky: OHH!   Becky: It just got ugly.   Matt: Although now I’m intrigued at the title because...does the title, “Say You Won’t Let Go” refer to…   Becky: The booze?   Matt: ...a Jameson bottle? Or James Arthur?   Becky: I’d go with the bottle of booze. *Laughs*   Matt: I think she’s certainly loving that!   Becky: THAT is good when you’re a ghost.   Matt: You know what pairs best with cirrhosis? Jameson. Informal plug.   Becky: Jameson if you would like to sponsor us…   Matt: Please let us know!   Becky: Please!   Matt: Please get us out of this studio.   Becky: This studio is hot and there’s guns a-blazin’ probably somewhere in Seattle right now. Okay everybody, thanks so much for listening. Please join us next time when we take a peak at the riveting lyrics of songs from the ‘90s. That’s right. I’m Becky.   Matt: I’m Matt.   Becky: And this was…   Becky & Matt: WHAT THE LYRIC?!?

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This week, Matt and Tiny discuss some of their most anticipated movies for the rest of 2016. Then, for potpourri, they talk about the curated comedy app Seeso, the new animated Batman movie The Killing Joke, and the recent thriller, Don't Breathe. Introducing the OV Facebook Group! You can donate to the podcast via PayPal here! Support The Obsessive Viewer on Patreon for as low as $1 per month. Timestamps Show Start - 00:20 Thoughts on 2016 Movies So Far - 04:58  Fall 2016 Movie Preview - 06:48 Matt: Blair Witch - 07:10 Tiny: Other People - 10:16 Matt: Deepwater Horizon - 14:01  Tiny: Jack Reacher: Never Go Back - 19:15 Matt: The Birth of a Nation - 23:03 Tiny: In a Valley of Violence - 24:32 Matt: Heartland Film Festival 2016 - 27:34  Tiny: Doctor Strange - 28:13 Matt: Manchester by the Sea - 31:08 Tiny: Arrival - 33:25 Matt: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them - 36:33 Tiny: The Edge of Seventeen - 39:47  Matt: Office Christmas Party - 44:00 Tiny: Nocturnal Animals - 45:45 Matt: La La Land - 48:38 Tiny: Passengers - 51:42 Honorable Mentions - 54:32 (Snowden, The Magnificent Seven) Facebook Group Poll Results - 57:48 Shocktober in Irvington Promo - 1:01:36   Potpourri - 1:03:40 Matt: Seeso app - 1:04:04 Tiny: The Killing Joke (2016) - 1:12:00 Matt: Don't Breathe (2016) - 1:21:36  Next Week: ??? - 1:27:10 Stinger: J-Law and Chris Pratt - 1:28:48 Pre-Recorded Outro - 1:29:22 Show Notes Related Episodes and Links: Shocktober in Irvington Obsessive Viewer Facebook Group  Matt's Letterboxd Profile Tiny's Letterboxd Profile Matt's DVD Collection List on Letterboxd Matt's Blu-ray Collection List on Letterboxd  Obsessive Viewer - Check out plenty of reviews of movies, TV shows and industry commentary at the blog that started it all. Obsessive Viewer Presents: Anthology - Matt's solo podcast exploring science fiction anthology storytelling in television's first golden age starting with The Twilight Zone. Obsessive Book Nerd - Our “sister site” where you can find book reviews and commentary on the evolving world of reading. r/ObsessiveViewer - The official Obsessive Viewer subreddit! The Secular Perspective - Check out Tiny's side project podcast that explores the concepts of faith, religion and existence from the perspective of secular hosts. Mike's Band: As Good As It Gets - Check out Mike's band and download the “Something New E.P.” for free! Loudlike Facebook Page - Like the band that gave us our theme song on Facebook! Loudlike “Mistakes We Must Make” EP on iTunes - Our theme song is “An Eclipse of Events.” Grab Loudlike's EP and hear the full version of our theme.  Let us know what you think! Like us on Facebook: The Obsessive Viewer Tweet us: @ObsessiveViewer, @ObsessiveTiny, @IAmMikeWhite Email us: Matt, Tiny or Mike at ObsessiveViewer.com Check out the blog: http://ObsessiveViewer.com Find past episodes of the podcast: http://OVPodcast.com RSS Feed: http://obsessiveviewer.libsyn.com/rss The official OV Subreddit: r/ObsessiveViewer Subscribe to us on iTunes and leave us a review. Episode Homepage: OV183 - Fall 2016 Movie Preview - Seeso, The Killing Joke, and Don't Breathe

Jul 3rd, 2016 Our first official crossover brings Outside The Cinema and Cinema PSYOPS Together as We sit down to a Slasher Round Table discussion.  This was a bucket List event for podcasting for Cort and an amazing time was had by all, except Matt Don’t Forget the contest guys and gals once we get 20 total honest reviews in iTunes and Stitcher, Cort will give away one brand new copy of Macabre from William Castle on DVD picked from those reviews and the winner will be given a chance to review the movie on the show with Cort and Matt!  Just email Cort your screen name or a screencap of your review and you are entered to win! Find us in: iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/cinema-psyops/id1037574921?mt=2 Stitcher: http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/cinema-psyops Also available on Google Play Music Every week an obsessed film collector, Cort, will subject his unwilling test subject, Matt to films from Cort’s childhood viewing habits and personal collection.  Has a lifetime of movie watching damaged Cort’s young and impressionable mind?  Can Matt survive each week’s experiment unscathed?  Find out each week as we discover that physical wounds heal while cinematic ones don’t. Email feedback to Matt: psyopmatt@gmail.com.  Cort : cinemapsyopscort@gmail.com  Find on [...] The post CinePsyEP046 Crossover! Outside The Cinema PSYOPS: Slasher Round Table appeared first on Legion.

The guys return after a long break to discuss why Yahoo is auctioning off over 3,000 patents and how this decision will affect the longevity of the company. Full Podcast Transcript NASIR: Welcome to our podcast where we cover business in the news and add our legal twist. My name is Nasir Pasha. MATT: And I’m Matt Staub. NASIR: And welcome back after – I don’t know – it’s been like weeks and months since we had our last episode, right? MATT: Yeah, it’s been a while. Even so much, we were actually one of the rare instances we’re in the same city and still kind of figuring out a way to record. NASIR: That’s true. That’s true. Well, I mean, we do get busy sometimes. The podcast isn’t all we do. We actually do lawyer once in a while, right? MATT: I don’t. NASIR: Okay. I’m sure you get the question, too. I don’t know what’s more embarrassing – when people ask how long it takes us to actually do this podcast and how much time we spent or maybe more embarrassing is how little time we do to prepare for these podcasts. I’m not sure which is more embarrassing. MATT: Well, you don’t want to prepare too much. NASIR: We know you don’t. MATT: Don’t work and don’t prepare. Just sit around for the week until podcast recording. But I think it’s been good we waited a couple of weeks. I think we have a good topic to discuss today. NASIR: Yeah, Yahoo! MATT: Yeah, Yahoo. I think this is pretty fresh news – at least as we’re recording this. NASIR: By the time our podcast comes out, it’s always old. MATT: So, Yahoo is looking to – amongst other things – sell a bunch of patents that it owns. I guess more than 3,000 even though, when I did a search, it only pulled up 2,661. Maybe I’m missing some. NASIR: That’s because only 2,661 was transferred to Excalibur. I think they’re selling some under Yahoo, I think. I’m not sure. MATT: Okay. So, over 3,000 is looking to sell. It’s transferred, like you just said, 2,661 to this entity that it set up – Excalibur IP LLC. I guess it’s holding on to another or it’s intending to retain more than 2,000 other patents. All of these patents either have been issued or are under approval review. Obviously, we’re just going to talk about the ones that are up for auction. So, they transferred all of these patents – or a bunch of these patents – to this entity, Excalibur, and are looking to essentially find the highest bidder. NASIR: Obviously, we all know they’re been in trouble for years. if you’ve been to Yahoo.com recently then I’d be asking, “Why are you going to Yahoo.com?” but, either way, everyone kind of knows they’ve been going down for a while. They even hired a Google exec a few years ago as a CEO that didn’t seem to do much. MATT: It seems like she might be on the outs here. NASIR: Yeah, but right now, their patents that they put into this LLC, they literally transferred it to a separate LLC that they’re going to be auctioning off. I mean, they’re saying that – at least Yahoo is saying that – it’s valued over a billion dollars. MATT: Yeah. NASIR: And so, that’s not insignificant. They included – of course – a lot of their search stuff. I mean, I basically went through every single one here. MATT: I bet. NASIR: No, I didn’t, but I did skim through a lot of them. A lot of them are like something to do with search or targeted advertising or user generation of keywords for content authored by them is one of them. It’s pretty fascinating because you’ll look, I mean, they still have, of course, all patents. They retain the names of the actual inventors but patents are treated as personal property in the sense that you could sell, transfer, and assign just as you would a car or a can of soda – which is definitely a commodity as well. But, of course, when you assign a can of soda to somebody, the paper work is pretty simple. In fact, you don’t need any paper work at all. But patents are a little bit of a different story when it comes to the actual formality of transferring it. MATT: Yeah.

Nasir and Matt welcome Jesse Lindsleyto talk about people are ripping off successful mobile games and answer the question, "My partners and I have been developing an online software and a mobile app, but we are wondering if we should split the mobile aspect of our business into a separate LLC since not everyone is developing that and the app could stand on its own. Is that advisable?" Full Podcast Transcript NASIR: Welcome to Legally Sound Smart Business! This is Nasir Pasha. MATT: And this is Matt Staub. NASIR: Welcome to our podcast where we cover business in the news and add our legal twist and also answer some of your business legal questions that you, the listener, can send in at ask@legallysoundsmartbusiness.com and we’re ready to go. MATT: Yeah, I hope we make this a good one. The Wednesday episode seemed to be the most popular one. NASIR: Yeah, it’s the hump of the week and the top of the week, I think, for us. MATT: Don’t screw up, Nasir. NASIR: I know. It’s a lot of pressure now. Great. MATT: Let’s get into the story we have for today. It has to deal with this game, 2048, which I’ve heard of but I never play. I actually downloaded it yesterday. NASIR: Really? Okay. MATT: Just to see what it was and played it a couple of times. I get the gist of it and I can get how it would be addicting. I try not to do any of these games just because I don’t want to get sucked in. NASIR: I agree. I’ve played it and I admit that I actually have played it quite a bit but I’m not much of a mobile app gamer, I would consider myself, but for whatever reason, I heard other people playing it so I took a look and I like puzzle games. I got sucked in, I suppose. MATT: I’m surprised you’ve played because anyone that listens to this podcast knows that your math skills aren’t always 100 percent. NASIR: Oh, wow, that’s a low-blow. That is a low-blow. I was a computer science major. Math was important at that time. But, anyway, my AP Calc teacher is going to be upset at that comment from high school. I was just joking. MATT: So, what we’re dealing with here, the underlying story is the intellectual property behind these games and, more importantly, I guess the infringement thereof. But when we’re dealing with mobile games and I think they talked about board games as well, not everything you think would be able to be protected is protected. They mentioned how the protection is of the expression of an idea but you can’t protect the idea itself. NASIR: Yeah, and if you notice these 2048 games are everywhere and apparently it’s some kind of version of some game called Threes and I think everyone knows that, well, I never played but that game Flappy Bird which became really popular but then went off the market and then everyone put clones up, the reason is basically there was no patent on that idea and there’s maybe copyright as far as the graphics go and so forth but there’s limitations on that. But I wanted to get Jesse from Thrust. They have a pretty cool mobile app development company and kind of want to get their perspective. I’m sure this issue has been brought up in their development as well. Jesse, how are you doing? JESSE: I’m doing great. Thanks for having me. NASIR: Very good. So, you kind of heard about what’s going on with 2048. You’ve seen all these clones and it’s weird. I use an Android. If you go to the top ten mobile apps that are free downloads or whatever, I think three of them are 2048 variations. I don’t know if you’ve ever had any experience with these kinds of issues dealing with your development. JESSE: Yeah, we come across this kind of stuff all the time. As developers, we get frustrated when people copy our ideas. I’ve been involved in these kinds of discussions from the gaming gambling days, early 2000 to the Facebook launching of games and a lot of the games were launched by Zynga and others were pure copycats of other games. So, it’s pretty standard and there’s court cases where sometimes the little gu...