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On this episode, @VinnieSuds and @brokelynn74 are back talking all about last week's @GeneralHospital! It feels like WrestleMania X-7 all over again, as Joss and Carly almost come to blows this week! Sonny and ADA Turner get a little closer. Ava also catches Carly doing something that she shouldn't be doing. Joss goes off on Jason. Brennan confronts Britt. Ohh and Carly got a "happy ending" to the week. All this and so much more!Don't forget to hit that subscribe button and turn on those notifications! Like the video and support our channel by giving us Super Chats, Super Stickers, and Super Thanks! You can also view some of our merch right on this YouTube Channel! And remember for 2026, we are giving away a Free T-Shirt every month! To enter, all you need to do is send us a Super Chat, Super Thanks, or Super Sticker, and you get an entry. A random winner will be chosen at the end of every month of 2026 from everyone who sends us a Super on YouTube!What the Fudge?!? Homemade Confections! If you live in the New Haven, CT area, go to whatthefudgect.com or facebook.com/whatthefudgect to order some homemade fudge in a rotating variety of flavors. Use promo code "SUDS" for 10% off your first order. And look for the "What The Fudge?!?" moment during episodes of Suds News and GateCrashers!We are now a creator partner of 1st Phorm! Go over to 1stPhorm.suds-media.com to join Vinnie on his weight loss journey and get some great 1st Phorm products!Dubby Energy is now partnered with Suds Media to bring clean energy and hydration drinks straight to you! Just go to https://www.dubby.gg/discount/SUDSMEDIA?ref=kedjdzkmand use the promo code SUDSMEDIA for 10% off your order!We are officially an affiliate for WWE Shop, go to wrestlingmerch.suds-media.com to shop with our official affiliate code.Are you looking for some help with your relationship or your sex life? Go to coachingbylorie.com and use promo code WELCOME for 20% off your first session.Go to our Linktree for an All-Access Pass to our Stuff!https://linktree.suds-media.com©2026 Suds and Squared Circle Media
** OHH: Episode 171: New Music ** Jill Scott - new album ‘to whom this may concern' TI Comeback beef with 50cent 50 cent new song “no one told us what we're here for” Domani (TI son) clap back ‘ms jackson' Rihanna supposedly back in the studio - Insta posts reveal she's writing again! - last studio album ANTI Josh Levi - Hydraulic debut studio album Aiyana Lee - House Broken, Highest to Lowest Jamie Foxx - Somebody (single) Sexy Redd, Key Glock - Hang wit a bad bitch (single) Brent Fiyazz - Icon (album) Jorja Smith - Blue lights (HAVOC remix) Olivia Dean, Man I Need - 2nd top song on billboard, 2 songs in top 20 Terrace Martin and Marcus Gilmore - Album Purpose - Anderson Paak and Amber Mark - remix Bad Bunny - Super Bowl performance recap
Episode 169: What's Poppin! We're back this week with another rendition of What's Poppin'! Tune in! _Major Deaths _ Rev. Jesse Jackson Catherine O'hara - won post humous award at 32nd Actors Award (formerly SAG awards) Eric Dane James Van Der Beak Robert Duvall Robert Carradine _TV/Movies _ All's Fair - (on Hulu) Blk NWS: Terms and Conditions (independent film) Bridgerton (Netflix) Love is Blind (Netflix) Wuthering Heights New Movies Coming out Scream 7 IS GOD IS Michael - Michael Jackson biopic KPOP! - Anderson Paak w/ his son Crime 101 w/ Halle Berry Beauty in Black Season 2 Pt 2 Netflix - The RIP, Trap House Upcoming Movies: The Devil Wears Prada 2 Mary J. Blige Presents: Be Happy (Lifetime) - Starring Tisha Campbell & Mehki Phifer _Oscars (March 15) and Awards Season _ Sinners BAFTA awards racial slur incident fall out re: terret syndrome offensive language NAACP Image Awards Actors Awards (SAG) Black Actors awards Golden Globes - Emmys - Teyana Taylor Woman of the Year - Time magazine KPop Demon Hunters best original song in Oscars _Other topics _ Epstein Files Mardi Gras International Women's Day (Mar 8)/ Month - Women's Month - MARCH 2026 In other News Brittany Spears arrested in CA for DUI Paris & LA Fashion Week America's Top Model Met Gala theme 2026: Fashion is Art Grand Opening for Marathon Burger in LBC - Black Sam & Snoop Dogg collaboration (Unfortunate gun violence & stabbings occurred) Queen Latifah, Taraji P henson, Taye Diggs, Sherri Shephard inks an Lifetime First Look deal Winter Olympics/Paralympics
Episode 170: Politricks _We're back this week with our Politricks episode where we dive into the latest in political news. So much happening in the world with the recent conflict in Iran, let's get into it. _ Trump State of the Union - BORING ! Rep. Al Green gets ousted from chambers Longest state of union speech in history, very inappropriate content SAVE AMERICA act Supreme Court Major Questions doctrine Often applies to biden, but never of trump Epstein Files continued _CA Governor Race _ Eric Swalwell Tom Steyer Antonio Villaraigosa Katie Porter Republicans Mayor of LA, Nithya Ryman against Karen Bass War in Iran - Day 7 update Trump said ‘yea people are gonna die' insensitive piece of shit! Bombings in Iran, Dubai, Israel, Qatar 1,045 people killed including US responsible for 175 school girls and staff, missile strike in Minab NYC terrorist attack anti-islamic parade Iran elects new supreme leader (his son) after US killing of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei Gas prices increasing
Recovering From Bad Events.By regularguy 13. Listen to the ►Podcast at Steamy Stories.“Stay there,” Arlo instructed her.He turned the water off. He grabbed a towel and quickly dried his body. Then he patted her down.“Let’s get you to bed,” he said.He draped the towel over her shoulder as if that provided adequate cover. Then, he helped her stand. As they were leaving the bathroom, she said, “Wait.”She pulled the towel off her and proceeded to hang it in its place.“Okay. Ready,” she said.Arlo was beside her with a protective arm around her waist. They walked into the bedroom. At first, Arlo watched her feet and made sure the floor was clear of hazards. Then biology and curiosity took over and he stared at her nakedness. His erection returned.“Here we go,” he said. “Sit on the bed.”Meadow landed hard onto the bed. Her boobs bounced delightfully and her legs splayed open showing tender, pink flesh.“Easy now,” Arlo said. He steadied her and kept her upright.Meadow sat there. All the booze she had drank caused a shift in her personality. She was feeling depressed and indulged in self-pity. She sobbed.“Why do men cheat on me?” she asked her nephew.Arlo didn’t know what to say so he said nothing. She continued.“Ted was supposed to take me out tonight. Instead, he’s having a cocaine party with two women he just met. He’d rather get high and screw strangers than be with me. We’ve been dating six months. Sleeping together for five. I gave him my ass and still he dumped me.”Tears ran down her cheeks. She looked up at Arlo with eyes full of sorrow.He attempted to console her. “You’re beautiful,” he assured her.Meadow looked at his manly dick and looked back into his brown eyes. Both reminded her of Ted. The alcohol flowing through her body changed her mood. The “self-pitying drunk” became an “angry drunk”.To her, Arlo represented Ted and all the other men who had cheated on her.She grabbed his dick and pulled him to her. Arlo had no choice, but to get on the bed with her. They ended up side by side on the mattress.“Hey! What are you doing? "Arlo shrieked.Meadow laughed harshly and said, "I’ve had it being used and discarded by men. I’m in charge now.”She pulled on his cock to show that she was the boss. Then, she pulled his head to her and kissed him hard.She was the aggressor. She rolled him on his back, climbed on top of him and kissed him more. Arlo was confused and hesitant.“Wait. Aunt Meadow,” he protested. He was worried her mood with shift again and he’d be in trouble.“Puckered up,” she responded.She kissed him repeatedly. His fear evaporated and Arlo began to enjoy it. He found her lips warm and soft. He didn’t care that his first real kiss was with a relative.Wendy and Sue stepped out of the upstairs bathroom and Steven and Warren swooped down on them. They ushered them down the hall to Steve’s room. Warren closed the door behind them.“What’s this all about?” Sue asked giggling.Warren embraced Wendy and kissed her passionately. Then he said, “We can only watch our beautiful girlfriends moving sexily and seductively on the dance floor for so long before we need to wrap them in our arms and ravish them.”“Oh,” Wendy moaned. She kissed her boyfriend. Romantic words like that were one of the reasons she loved him.Sue and Steven kissed. The couples necked and made their way to the queen-sized bed in the room. They each took half. Caresses followed. Clothing was removed and flung to the floor.The inebriated girls lay on the back and let themselves be lost in the moment. They didn’t care they were naked or having sex while their friends were present.The young women lay with their heads resting on pillows. Their eyes were closed as the boys fingered them and suck on their tits. They felt their bodies warm and their slits get slippery. Their breathing was audible. Small moans of pleasure were also heard.The guys looked at each other and shared a secret smile as they snuck a look at the other’s girl. Steve stared at Wendy’s big tits. Warren noted Sue’s fine, small pair.Warren said, “Okay girls, time for you to suck our cocks.”Steven smiled. He liked the idea. The girls were agreeable. The guys sat up on the bed with their backs against the headboard. They smiled like they were the masters of the universe. The women knelt in between their date’s leg.“Oh, My God!” Sue screamed when she saw Warren’s cock. “Is that for real?”Warren laughed happily. He was pleased and proud that she had noticed. He grinned and said, “Yes.”Steve looked. He too was impressed. Wendy gave everyone a silly, drunken grin and she stroked her man.Sue was still mesmerized. She asked in all honesty, “Wendy, you can handle that?”Wendy blushed. Warren said, “She loves every inch of it. She can’t get enough. Show her, Babe.”Wendy bent down and took it into her mouth. The head went in easily. She labored working on the rest. Sue and Steve watched intently.Warren smiled. He loved being the center of attention.Eventually, Sue realized she was staring and worried that Steve would get mad or feel inferior. She placed a hand on Steve’s face, looked him in the eye and said, “I love you.” She emphasized the last word.He smiled gratefully and they kissed. Then, Sue did her darndest to show her man she appreciated his cock. She sucked, licked, kissed and stroked his average size member.Warren got pissed when the short haired, small breasted blond ignored him and concentrated on her boyfriend. He took charge again.“I smell pussy. I want to eat pussy.”They collegians re-arranged themselves for the next activity. The girls were shamed by his comment that he could smell their weeping cunts. The guys ignored their distress and dove in. They licked, fingered and slurped the nectar of their dates. The girls soon forgot about their embarrassment and loved the attention being lavished on them.“Oh. Oh! Oh,” Wendy cried out as she came. The combination of two fingers in her pussy and an active tongue on her button drove her over the edge.Warren paused imagining he was hearing applause. Then, before Wendy could recover from her orgasm, he slid up her body and penetrated her.“Oh!” she cried loudly. “Too much!”Everyone looked her way. They saw her eyes roll back in her head. Her body trembled and she thrashed about. A look of shock washed over her face. Steve and Sue worried for her wellbeing.Warren smiled as he watched his effect on her.“Ah,” Wendy sighed loudly. A bit later, her color returned. She breathed easier and cooed, “Oh. Oh. Oh, Warren!”The concerned the other couple had vanished. Steve kissed Sue. He mounted and penetrated her slowly and gently.“Oh!” Sue sighed loudly. She wrapped her legs around her man. It was wonderful to feel him inside her. The feeling was mutual.“Em,” Steve moaned.They made sweet love.After an extended period of kissing, Meadow got on her hands and knees. She straddling Arlo and presented a breast to his mouth.“Kiss my boob.”Arlo didn’t hesitate this time. He kissed all parts of her boob. It looked huge hanging down from her chest. Soon he was licking and softly sucking on her big, hard nipple.“Mum. Yeah, like that,” she moaned. She enjoyed his attention.Minutes later, she moved and swung the other tit over to his mouth. He gave it the same loving treatment.She sat up and addressed him while towering over him. “I’ve sucked a lot of dicks. Not always because I wanted to, but to please some man. I’m not sucking yours. You are performing oral sex on me.”She slid her knees forward until her pussy was over his mouth. She sat on his face. “Eat me,” she ordered.A hot fur pie dropped on Arlo. He struggled to free his nose so he could breathe and then, he struggled to please her. He’d never done this before. He thought, “Oh God! What am I supposed to do? She liked, well I think she liked how I treated her breasts. I’ll do the same thing”.He kissed her snatch and gently licked and sucked on her slit. He explored her with his tongue. Accidentally, he encountered her clit. She reacted in a positive way.“Oh! Yes. There. There,” she cooed.Arlo brought his hands up and held her ass as he concentrated on the bump, this little nub that she seemed to like having touched. The whole experience reminded him of eating a peach. Both were fuzzy, juicy and delicious. He thought, “God! I’d never have guessed that eating pussy would be so fucking wonderful.”.Arlo was giving her his full attention. He noticed as time passed, she became more vocal and she moved her hips rhythmically. She cried out loudly, “Oh. Fucking yes!”She ground her pussy hard into his face. She slammed into him and held it there. Her thighs clamped down on his head. Arlo had no idea what was happening. His range of movement was limited, but he continued to flick his tongue and stimulate her the best he could.Meadow gasped loudly and drew in a large amount of air. She punched the top of his head and shouted, “Enough. Stop!” Then she rolled off and curled up into a ball. She rocked slowly, breathed deeply and concentrated on the wonderful orgasmic feelings that flowed through her body.Steve was slamming his dick into Sue and she loved it and cooed, “Oh. Oh, baby. Yes.”This pissed Warren off. He pulled out of Wendy and manhandled her rolling her over. “Come on. Up on your knees. Time for doggie.”Bam! He slapped her ample ass and the sound echoed in the room.“Ouch!” his date cried out.His action had the desired effect. Sue and Steven looked over at him. His big heavy dick pointed menacing at them as he swiveled in their direction making sure they saw his large cock. Then he grabbed it and placed it against Wendy’s butthole.She freaked. “No! Don’t even think about it!”Wendy moved frantically getting her anus away from his dick. Warren laughed and moved his dick to her pussy. One hand held his dick at her opening, the other grabbed her hip. He held her still as he thrust inside her.She raised her head and howled as he flew in her. “Oh, my God! Your dick spreads me.”Warren smiled. He was glad to be the center of attention again. Wendy preferred other, more intimate positions. She liked to see and kiss her lovers, but there was something special, naughty about doing it doggie style.This position was a favorite of Warren’s. He loved to pound away and see his dick penetrating a girl’s pussy. He liked the deep penetration, the feeling of dominating his partner and the erotic view of her ass. They were all big turn-ons for him.“Uhm. Uhm. Uhm,” he moaned as he screwed his girlfriend.Wendy also appreciated the deep penetration. She groaned, “Oh. Oh. So deep!”She arched her back to change the angle of his dick. She moved to increase her pleasure.“Back that ass up!” Warren called out as he saw and felt her bounce, swing and roll her hips.She moved to get him to hit all the right spots for her. A bonus for Wendy was with every thrust, his swinging testicles stimulated her clit as they swung forward hitting her love button.“Ohh. Fuck me!” Wendy cried.Steven and Sue found themselves moving in rhythm with their mates. The foursome fed off each other – the sights, the sounds, the smells. There was a crescendo of guttural cries as everyone climaxed urged on by the others.Warren took pride on being the last. He pulled out and shot his load on Wendy’s ass and back. The big dog marked his territory and smirked.Arlo lay on his side and watched and waited. After a couple of minutes, Meadow turned towards him. She punched his shoulder and said angrily, “You bastard. What’s wrong with you? When a woman comes, leave her be and let her enjoy her orgasm. The clit gets too tender for you to keep going on and on.”Arlo stared at her blankly. He didn’t know what she was talking about. He started babbling, “I’m sorry if I did it wrong. I’ve never done that before. I don’t what’s enough and what’s too much. Sorry.”Meadow acted like she didn’t hear his apology. She was still drunk and even though she had had an orgasm, she was still mad at men. She saw his erection and grabbed it.“Get on you back,” she shouted angrily.Her rage startled him. He rolled over on his back. She straddled him and slotted his penis at her opening. She decided that she was going to do whatever she wanted. She was going to have fun tonight. She eased down on his hardness.“Oh, yeah,” she cried as he went in her.Arlo cried out too, “Oh!” His exclamation was a cry of surprise.She sank slowly on his rod. She savored the initial penetration and the spreading of her flesh. She said, “This is payback for all those jerks who fucked me, got off and left me unsatisfied. Why can’t tonight be my night? Why can’t I come twice?”Arlo was shell shocked. This whole evening had been strange, a true night of firsts for him. Before this evening, he’d been an inexperienced virgin who hadn’t kissed a girl and now he’d seen one naked, been jerked off, kissed a grown woman, sucked her tits, ate her pussy and, the pièce de résistance, he was having sex, intercourse, with a woman.“Oh,” he moaned as he experienced the joy, the ecstasy, of being inside a woman.She began riding him. She started slowly giving herself time to adjust to a hard, thick object in her vagina. She fucked with no consideration of her partner. She did what she wanted, at the speed and rhythm she desired. The echo of her last orgasm was present. She drew on those feeling and moved quickly toward another.Arlo lay there as this beautiful woman gave him the most precious experience of his life. His dick loved everything she did. Lucky, he’d come in the shower fifteen minutes ago, otherwise he would have exploded the second time she bounced on his dick.He watched her face take on a determined expression. He saw her boobs bouncing around like crazy. He saw her triangle of hair rise and fall as her vagina rose and fell on his cock. She clenched her teeth, spittle flew from her mouth as she sucked in and expelled air. Then she cried out.“Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh!”She slammed herself home faster and faster, harder and harder. Her pussy clenched his dick.He came. “Oh God!” he yelled.She came. “Fuck!”His ears were ringing. His heart pounded. He’d never felt joy like this before.Meadow lost contact with reality. She was already drunk. This orgasmic high took her to a new world. One of bliss, pure unadulterated bliss. She tumbled off him and luxuriated in the most wonderful feeling a woman can experience.The lovers concentrated on the beautiful feelings. Sleep soon claimed them.Meadow woke first the next morning. She was lying on her side. Her head faced the edge of the bed. She could see out the window. It was a dreary, rainy morn.She was hungover. Her mouth was desert dry. Her head was pounding like there was a little monkey inside her skull banging a drum. She was achy and nauseous.As full consciousness came to her, she felt a familiar sensation. Her vagina felt open and sore in a good way. That was how she felt the day after having sex.“What happened last night?” she wondered. She remembered the fight with her boyfriend Ted. She knew they hadn’t had sex. She remembered being upset, coming home, and drinking heavily. What happened after she drank was sketchy.She lifted the sheet and said to herself, “I’m naked?”That wasn’t how she usually slept. She decided to check herself. She snaked a hand down to her pussy. She noticed her lips were swollen and sore and there were crusty remains on her sex and thighs. “Okay. I had sex last night?” she asked herself. “With who?”.She heard a male snort behind. Meadow sat up and turned around. She recognized the boy in her bed even though she only saw the back of him.“Arlo?” she shouted panicking. “What are you doing in my bed?”“Huh?” Arlo groaned as he woke.When he turned toward her, Meadow saw his injuries. He had a black-eye and a rug burn on his face. His body had scratches and bruises.She recalled scouring his face with her pussy and fighting over a liquor bottle. She immediately felt bad. She said, “Oh, Arlo! I’m so sorry.”She was distraught and had a flashback recalling more of what happened the night before. She recalled her drinking and the way she had used Arlo sexually. Her embarrassment and distress were increased by the injuries she saw on his body. She knew she had caused them all.She began to cry and apologized again. “Arlo, I remember what happened last night. I can see I hurt you and I know I took advantage you. I’m so sorry.”He stared at her blankly. He remembered last night as his night of firsts. It was a great night in his mind. He dismissed the injuries as accidental and insignificant.Before he could respond, she said, “I was drunk and abusive. I apologize. God! I don’t know how I can make it up to you.”Suddenly the stories girlfriends had told her about being raped by men filled her mind. A common theme of the survivors was how difficult it was to put the horrific experience behind them and to trust men again.Meadow began sobbing. She felt so guilty. She worried that she had done serious damage to Arlo, much deeper and more damaging than the scratches and a black eye.She cried and said, “Arlo, I’m a lawyer, a district attorney. Every day I strive to do the right thing. My integrity and reputation are important to me. I fight for the victims of crimes. If I can’t make things right, I try to make the situation better and give people some justice. My actions last night go against everything I believed.”Arlo was quiet and still. He didn’t relate well to people under normal circumstances. He had no clue what to do with this blubbering woman confessing her sins to him. He made an awkward situation more awkward by saying and doing nothing.Meadow finally stopped crying. She grabbed a tissue and blew her nose. Then she took a deep breath to settled herself.“Arlo, what I did was bad. Wrong.”“I forgive you.”He was thinking about the two orgasms she had given him. He’d trade a black eye for a fuck any day of the week.“No. You’re just be
Recovering From Bad Events.By regularguy 13. Listen to the ►Podcast at Steamy Stories.“Stay there,” Arlo instructed her.He turned the water off. He grabbed a towel and quickly dried his body. Then he patted her down.“Let’s get you to bed,” he said.He draped the towel over her shoulder as if that provided adequate cover. Then, he helped her stand. As they were leaving the bathroom, she said, “Wait.”She pulled the towel off her and proceeded to hang it in its place.“Okay. Ready,” she said.Arlo was beside her with a protective arm around her waist. They walked into the bedroom. At first, Arlo watched her feet and made sure the floor was clear of hazards. Then biology and curiosity took over and he stared at her nakedness. His erection returned.“Here we go,” he said. “Sit on the bed.”Meadow landed hard onto the bed. Her boobs bounced delightfully and her legs splayed open showing tender, pink flesh.“Easy now,” Arlo said. He steadied her and kept her upright.Meadow sat there. All the booze she had drank caused a shift in her personality. She was feeling depressed and indulged in self-pity. She sobbed.“Why do men cheat on me?” she asked her nephew.Arlo didn’t know what to say so he said nothing. She continued.“Ted was supposed to take me out tonight. Instead, he’s having a cocaine party with two women he just met. He’d rather get high and screw strangers than be with me. We’ve been dating six months. Sleeping together for five. I gave him my ass and still he dumped me.”Tears ran down her cheeks. She looked up at Arlo with eyes full of sorrow.He attempted to console her. “You’re beautiful,” he assured her.Meadow looked at his manly dick and looked back into his brown eyes. Both reminded her of Ted. The alcohol flowing through her body changed her mood. The “self-pitying drunk” became an “angry drunk”.To her, Arlo represented Ted and all the other men who had cheated on her.She grabbed his dick and pulled him to her. Arlo had no choice, but to get on the bed with her. They ended up side by side on the mattress.“Hey! What are you doing? "Arlo shrieked.Meadow laughed harshly and said, "I’ve had it being used and discarded by men. I’m in charge now.”She pulled on his cock to show that she was the boss. Then, she pulled his head to her and kissed him hard.She was the aggressor. She rolled him on his back, climbed on top of him and kissed him more. Arlo was confused and hesitant.“Wait. Aunt Meadow,” he protested. He was worried her mood with shift again and he’d be in trouble.“Puckered up,” she responded.She kissed him repeatedly. His fear evaporated and Arlo began to enjoy it. He found her lips warm and soft. He didn’t care that his first real kiss was with a relative.Wendy and Sue stepped out of the upstairs bathroom and Steven and Warren swooped down on them. They ushered them down the hall to Steve’s room. Warren closed the door behind them.“What’s this all about?” Sue asked giggling.Warren embraced Wendy and kissed her passionately. Then he said, “We can only watch our beautiful girlfriends moving sexily and seductively on the dance floor for so long before we need to wrap them in our arms and ravish them.”“Oh,” Wendy moaned. She kissed her boyfriend. Romantic words like that were one of the reasons she loved him.Sue and Steven kissed. The couples necked and made their way to the queen-sized bed in the room. They each took half. Caresses followed. Clothing was removed and flung to the floor.The inebriated girls lay on the back and let themselves be lost in the moment. They didn’t care they were naked or having sex while their friends were present.The young women lay with their heads resting on pillows. Their eyes were closed as the boys fingered them and suck on their tits. They felt their bodies warm and their slits get slippery. Their breathing was audible. Small moans of pleasure were also heard.The guys looked at each other and shared a secret smile as they snuck a look at the other’s girl. Steve stared at Wendy’s big tits. Warren noted Sue’s fine, small pair.Warren said, “Okay girls, time for you to suck our cocks.”Steven smiled. He liked the idea. The girls were agreeable. The guys sat up on the bed with their backs against the headboard. They smiled like they were the masters of the universe. The women knelt in between their date’s leg.“Oh, My God!” Sue screamed when she saw Warren’s cock. “Is that for real?”Warren laughed happily. He was pleased and proud that she had noticed. He grinned and said, “Yes.”Steve looked. He too was impressed. Wendy gave everyone a silly, drunken grin and she stroked her man.Sue was still mesmerized. She asked in all honesty, “Wendy, you can handle that?”Wendy blushed. Warren said, “She loves every inch of it. She can’t get enough. Show her, Babe.”Wendy bent down and took it into her mouth. The head went in easily. She labored working on the rest. Sue and Steve watched intently.Warren smiled. He loved being the center of attention.Eventually, Sue realized she was staring and worried that Steve would get mad or feel inferior. She placed a hand on Steve’s face, looked him in the eye and said, “I love you.” She emphasized the last word.He smiled gratefully and they kissed. Then, Sue did her darndest to show her man she appreciated his cock. She sucked, licked, kissed and stroked his average size member.Warren got pissed when the short haired, small breasted blond ignored him and concentrated on her boyfriend. He took charge again.“I smell pussy. I want to eat pussy.”They collegians re-arranged themselves for the next activity. The girls were shamed by his comment that he could smell their weeping cunts. The guys ignored their distress and dove in. They licked, fingered and slurped the nectar of their dates. The girls soon forgot about their embarrassment and loved the attention being lavished on them.“Oh. Oh! Oh,” Wendy cried out as she came. The combination of two fingers in her pussy and an active tongue on her button drove her over the edge.Warren paused imagining he was hearing applause. Then, before Wendy could recover from her orgasm, he slid up her body and penetrated her.“Oh!” she cried loudly. “Too much!”Everyone looked her way. They saw her eyes roll back in her head. Her body trembled and she thrashed about. A look of shock washed over her face. Steve and Sue worried for her wellbeing.Warren smiled as he watched his effect on her.“Ah,” Wendy sighed loudly. A bit later, her color returned. She breathed easier and cooed, “Oh. Oh. Oh, Warren!”The concerned the other couple had vanished. Steve kissed Sue. He mounted and penetrated her slowly and gently.“Oh!” Sue sighed loudly. She wrapped her legs around her man. It was wonderful to feel him inside her. The feeling was mutual.“Em,” Steve moaned.They made sweet love.After an extended period of kissing, Meadow got on her hands and knees. She straddling Arlo and presented a breast to his mouth.“Kiss my boob.”Arlo didn’t hesitate this time. He kissed all parts of her boob. It looked huge hanging down from her chest. Soon he was licking and softly sucking on her big, hard nipple.“Mum. Yeah, like that,” she moaned. She enjoyed his attention.Minutes later, she moved and swung the other tit over to his mouth. He gave it the same loving treatment.She sat up and addressed him while towering over him. “I’ve sucked a lot of dicks. Not always because I wanted to, but to please some man. I’m not sucking yours. You are performing oral sex on me.”She slid her knees forward until her pussy was over his mouth. She sat on his face. “Eat me,” she ordered.A hot fur pie dropped on Arlo. He struggled to free his nose so he could breathe and then, he struggled to please her. He’d never done this before. He thought, “Oh God! What am I supposed to do? She liked, well I think she liked how I treated her breasts. I’ll do the same thing”.He kissed her snatch and gently licked and sucked on her slit. He explored her with his tongue. Accidentally, he encountered her clit. She reacted in a positive way.“Oh! Yes. There. There,” she cooed.Arlo brought his hands up and held her ass as he concentrated on the bump, this little nub that she seemed to like having touched. The whole experience reminded him of eating a peach. Both were fuzzy, juicy and delicious. He thought, “God! I’d never have guessed that eating pussy would be so fucking wonderful.”.Arlo was giving her his full attention. He noticed as time passed, she became more vocal and she moved her hips rhythmically. She cried out loudly, “Oh. Fucking yes!”She ground her pussy hard into his face. She slammed into him and held it there. Her thighs clamped down on his head. Arlo had no idea what was happening. His range of movement was limited, but he continued to flick his tongue and stimulate her the best he could.Meadow gasped loudly and drew in a large amount of air. She punched the top of his head and shouted, “Enough. Stop!” Then she rolled off and curled up into a ball. She rocked slowly, breathed deeply and concentrated on the wonderful orgasmic feelings that flowed through her body.Steve was slamming his dick into Sue and she loved it and cooed, “Oh. Oh, baby. Yes.”This pissed Warren off. He pulled out of Wendy and manhandled her rolling her over. “Come on. Up on your knees. Time for doggie.”Bam! He slapped her ample ass and the sound echoed in the room.“Ouch!” his date cried out.His action had the desired effect. Sue and Steven looked over at him. His big heavy dick pointed menacing at them as he swiveled in their direction making sure they saw his large cock. Then he grabbed it and placed it against Wendy’s butthole.She freaked. “No! Don’t even think about it!”Wendy moved frantically getting her anus away from his dick. Warren laughed and moved his dick to her pussy. One hand held his dick at her opening, the other grabbed her hip. He held her still as he thrust inside her.She raised her head and howled as he flew in her. “Oh, my God! Your dick spreads me.”Warren smiled. He was glad to be the center of attention again. Wendy preferred other, more intimate positions. She liked to see and kiss her lovers, but there was something special, naughty about doing it doggie style.This position was a favorite of Warren’s. He loved to pound away and see his dick penetrating a girl’s pussy. He liked the deep penetration, the feeling of dominating his partner and the erotic view of her ass. They were all big turn-ons for him.“Uhm. Uhm. Uhm,” he moaned as he screwed his girlfriend.Wendy also appreciated the deep penetration. She groaned, “Oh. Oh. So deep!”She arched her back to change the angle of his dick. She moved to increase her pleasure.“Back that ass up!” Warren called out as he saw and felt her bounce, swing and roll her hips.She moved to get him to hit all the right spots for her. A bonus for Wendy was with every thrust, his swinging testicles stimulated her clit as they swung forward hitting her love button.“Ohh. Fuck me!” Wendy cried.Steven and Sue found themselves moving in rhythm with their mates. The foursome fed off each other – the sights, the sounds, the smells. There was a crescendo of guttural cries as everyone climaxed urged on by the others.Warren took pride on being the last. He pulled out and shot his load on Wendy’s ass and back. The big dog marked his territory and smirked.Arlo lay on his side and watched and waited. After a couple of minutes, Meadow turned towards him. She punched his shoulder and said angrily, “You bastard. What’s wrong with you? When a woman comes, leave her be and let her enjoy her orgasm. The clit gets too tender for you to keep going on and on.”Arlo stared at her blankly. He didn’t know what she was talking about. He started babbling, “I’m sorry if I did it wrong. I’ve never done that before. I don’t what’s enough and what’s too much. Sorry.”Meadow acted like she didn’t hear his apology. She was still drunk and even though she had had an orgasm, she was still mad at men. She saw his erection and grabbed it.“Get on you back,” she shouted angrily.Her rage startled him. He rolled over on his back. She straddled him and slotted his penis at her opening. She decided that she was going to do whatever she wanted. She was going to have fun tonight. She eased down on his hardness.“Oh, yeah,” she cried as he went in her.Arlo cried out too, “Oh!” His exclamation was a cry of surprise.She sank slowly on his rod. She savored the initial penetration and the spreading of her flesh. She said, “This is payback for all those jerks who fucked me, got off and left me unsatisfied. Why can’t tonight be my night? Why can’t I come twice?”Arlo was shell shocked. This whole evening had been strange, a true night of firsts for him. Before this evening, he’d been an inexperienced virgin who hadn’t kissed a girl and now he’d seen one naked, been jerked off, kissed a grown woman, sucked her tits, ate her pussy and, the pièce de résistance, he was having sex, intercourse, with a woman.“Oh,” he moaned as he experienced the joy, the ecstasy, of being inside a woman.She began riding him. She started slowly giving herself time to adjust to a hard, thick object in her vagina. She fucked with no consideration of her partner. She did what she wanted, at the speed and rhythm she desired. The echo of her last orgasm was present. She drew on those feeling and moved quickly toward another.Arlo lay there as this beautiful woman gave him the most precious experience of his life. His dick loved everything she did. Lucky, he’d come in the shower fifteen minutes ago, otherwise he would have exploded the second time she bounced on his dick.He watched her face take on a determined expression. He saw her boobs bouncing around like crazy. He saw her triangle of hair rise and fall as her vagina rose and fell on his cock. She clenched her teeth, spittle flew from her mouth as she sucked in and expelled air. Then she cried out.“Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh!”She slammed herself home faster and faster, harder and harder. Her pussy clenched his dick.He came. “Oh God!” he yelled.She came. “Fuck!”His ears were ringing. His heart pounded. He’d never felt joy like this before.Meadow lost contact with reality. She was already drunk. This orgasmic high took her to a new world. One of bliss, pure unadulterated bliss. She tumbled off him and luxuriated in the most wonderful feeling a woman can experience.The lovers concentrated on the beautiful feelings. Sleep soon claimed them.Meadow woke first the next morning. She was lying on her side. Her head faced the edge of the bed. She could see out the window. It was a dreary, rainy morn.She was hungover. Her mouth was desert dry. Her head was pounding like there was a little monkey inside her skull banging a drum. She was achy and nauseous.As full consciousness came to her, she felt a familiar sensation. Her vagina felt open and sore in a good way. That was how she felt the day after having sex.“What happened last night?” she wondered. She remembered the fight with her boyfriend Ted. She knew they hadn’t had sex. She remembered being upset, coming home, and drinking heavily. What happened after she drank was sketchy.She lifted the sheet and said to herself, “I’m naked?”That wasn’t how she usually slept. She decided to check herself. She snaked a hand down to her pussy. She noticed her lips were swollen and sore and there were crusty remains on her sex and thighs. “Okay. I had sex last night?” she asked herself. “With who?”.She heard a male snort behind. Meadow sat up and turned around. She recognized the boy in her bed even though she only saw the back of him.“Arlo?” she shouted panicking. “What are you doing in my bed?”“Huh?” Arlo groaned as he woke.When he turned toward her, Meadow saw his injuries. He had a black-eye and a rug burn on his face. His body had scratches and bruises.She recalled scouring his face with her pussy and fighting over a liquor bottle. She immediately felt bad. She said, “Oh, Arlo! I’m so sorry.”She was distraught and had a flashback recalling more of what happened the night before. She recalled her drinking and the way she had used Arlo sexually. Her embarrassment and distress were increased by the injuries she saw on his body. She knew she had caused them all.She began to cry and apologized again. “Arlo, I remember what happened last night. I can see I hurt you and I know I took advantage you. I’m so sorry.”He stared at her blankly. He remembered last night as his night of firsts. It was a great night in his mind. He dismissed the injuries as accidental and insignificant.Before he could respond, she said, “I was drunk and abusive. I apologize. God! I don’t know how I can make it up to you.”Suddenly the stories girlfriends had told her about being raped by men filled her mind. A common theme of the survivors was how difficult it was to put the horrific experience behind them and to trust men again.Meadow began sobbing. She felt so guilty. She worried that she had done serious damage to Arlo, much deeper and more damaging than the scratches and a black eye.She cried and said, “Arlo, I’m a lawyer, a district attorney. Every day I strive to do the right thing. My integrity and reputation are important to me. I fight for the victims of crimes. If I can’t make things right, I try to make the situation better and give people some justice. My actions last night go against everything I believed.”Arlo was quiet and still. He didn’t relate well to people under normal circumstances. He had no clue what to do with this blubbering woman confessing her sins to him. He made an awkward situation more awkward by saying and doing nothing.Meadow finally stopped crying. She grabbed a tissue and blew her nose. Then she took a deep breath to settled herself.“Arlo, what I did was bad. Wrong.”“I forgive you.”He was thinking about the two orgasms she had given him. He’d trade a black eye for a fuck any day of the week.“No. You’re just be
Recovering From Bad Events.By regularguy 13. Listen to the ►Podcast at Steamy Stories.“Stay there,” Arlo instructed her.He turned the water off. He grabbed a towel and quickly dried his body. Then he patted her down.“Let’s get you to bed,” he said.He draped the towel over her shoulder as if that provided adequate cover. Then, he helped her stand. As they were leaving the bathroom, she said, “Wait.”She pulled the towel off her and proceeded to hang it in its place.“Okay. Ready,” she said.Arlo was beside her with a protective arm around her waist. They walked into the bedroom. At first, Arlo watched her feet and made sure the floor was clear of hazards. Then biology and curiosity took over and he stared at her nakedness. His erection returned.“Here we go,” he said. “Sit on the bed.”Meadow landed hard onto the bed. Her boobs bounced delightfully and her legs splayed open showing tender, pink flesh.“Easy now,” Arlo said. He steadied her and kept her upright.Meadow sat there. All the booze she had drank caused a shift in her personality. She was feeling depressed and indulged in self-pity. She sobbed.“Why do men cheat on me?” she asked her nephew.Arlo didn’t know what to say so he said nothing. She continued.“Ted was supposed to take me out tonight. Instead, he’s having a cocaine party with two women he just met. He’d rather get high and screw strangers than be with me. We’ve been dating six months. Sleeping together for five. I gave him my ass and still he dumped me.”Tears ran down her cheeks. She looked up at Arlo with eyes full of sorrow.He attempted to console her. “You’re beautiful,” he assured her.Meadow looked at his manly dick and looked back into his brown eyes. Both reminded her of Ted. The alcohol flowing through her body changed her mood. The “self-pitying drunk” became an “angry drunk”.To her, Arlo represented Ted and all the other men who had cheated on her.She grabbed his dick and pulled him to her. Arlo had no choice, but to get on the bed with her. They ended up side by side on the mattress.“Hey! What are you doing? "Arlo shrieked.Meadow laughed harshly and said, "I’ve had it being used and discarded by men. I’m in charge now.”She pulled on his cock to show that she was the boss. Then, she pulled his head to her and kissed him hard.She was the aggressor. She rolled him on his back, climbed on top of him and kissed him more. Arlo was confused and hesitant.“Wait. Aunt Meadow,” he protested. He was worried her mood with shift again and he’d be in trouble.“Puckered up,” she responded.She kissed him repeatedly. His fear evaporated and Arlo began to enjoy it. He found her lips warm and soft. He didn’t care that his first real kiss was with a relative.Wendy and Sue stepped out of the upstairs bathroom and Steven and Warren swooped down on them. They ushered them down the hall to Steve’s room. Warren closed the door behind them.“What’s this all about?” Sue asked giggling.Warren embraced Wendy and kissed her passionately. Then he said, “We can only watch our beautiful girlfriends moving sexily and seductively on the dance floor for so long before we need to wrap them in our arms and ravish them.”“Oh,” Wendy moaned. She kissed her boyfriend. Romantic words like that were one of the reasons she loved him.Sue and Steven kissed. The couples necked and made their way to the queen-sized bed in the room. They each took half. Caresses followed. Clothing was removed and flung to the floor.The inebriated girls lay on the back and let themselves be lost in the moment. They didn’t care they were naked or having sex while their friends were present.The young women lay with their heads resting on pillows. Their eyes were closed as the boys fingered them and suck on their tits. They felt their bodies warm and their slits get slippery. Their breathing was audible. Small moans of pleasure were also heard.The guys looked at each other and shared a secret smile as they snuck a look at the other’s girl. Steve stared at Wendy’s big tits. Warren noted Sue’s fine, small pair.Warren said, “Okay girls, time for you to suck our cocks.”Steven smiled. He liked the idea. The girls were agreeable. The guys sat up on the bed with their backs against the headboard. They smiled like they were the masters of the universe. The women knelt in between their date’s leg.“Oh, My God!” Sue screamed when she saw Warren’s cock. “Is that for real?”Warren laughed happily. He was pleased and proud that she had noticed. He grinned and said, “Yes.”Steve looked. He too was impressed. Wendy gave everyone a silly, drunken grin and she stroked her man.Sue was still mesmerized. She asked in all honesty, “Wendy, you can handle that?”Wendy blushed. Warren said, “She loves every inch of it. She can’t get enough. Show her, Babe.”Wendy bent down and took it into her mouth. The head went in easily. She labored working on the rest. Sue and Steve watched intently.Warren smiled. He loved being the center of attention.Eventually, Sue realized she was staring and worried that Steve would get mad or feel inferior. She placed a hand on Steve’s face, looked him in the eye and said, “I love you.” She emphasized the last word.He smiled gratefully and they kissed. Then, Sue did her darndest to show her man she appreciated his cock. She sucked, licked, kissed and stroked his average size member.Warren got pissed when the short haired, small breasted blond ignored him and concentrated on her boyfriend. He took charge again.“I smell pussy. I want to eat pussy.”They collegians re-arranged themselves for the next activity. The girls were shamed by his comment that he could smell their weeping cunts. The guys ignored their distress and dove in. They licked, fingered and slurped the nectar of their dates. The girls soon forgot about their embarrassment and loved the attention being lavished on them.“Oh. Oh! Oh,” Wendy cried out as she came. The combination of two fingers in her pussy and an active tongue on her button drove her over the edge.Warren paused imagining he was hearing applause. Then, before Wendy could recover from her orgasm, he slid up her body and penetrated her.“Oh!” she cried loudly. “Too much!”Everyone looked her way. They saw her eyes roll back in her head. Her body trembled and she thrashed about. A look of shock washed over her face. Steve and Sue worried for her wellbeing.Warren smiled as he watched his effect on her.“Ah,” Wendy sighed loudly. A bit later, her color returned. She breathed easier and cooed, “Oh. Oh. Oh, Warren!”The concerned the other couple had vanished. Steve kissed Sue. He mounted and penetrated her slowly and gently.“Oh!” Sue sighed loudly. She wrapped her legs around her man. It was wonderful to feel him inside her. The feeling was mutual.“Em,” Steve moaned.They made sweet love.After an extended period of kissing, Meadow got on her hands and knees. She straddling Arlo and presented a breast to his mouth.“Kiss my boob.”Arlo didn’t hesitate this time. He kissed all parts of her boob. It looked huge hanging down from her chest. Soon he was licking and softly sucking on her big, hard nipple.“Mum. Yeah, like that,” she moaned. She enjoyed his attention.Minutes later, she moved and swung the other tit over to his mouth. He gave it the same loving treatment.She sat up and addressed him while towering over him. “I’ve sucked a lot of dicks. Not always because I wanted to, but to please some man. I’m not sucking yours. You are performing oral sex on me.”She slid her knees forward until her pussy was over his mouth. She sat on his face. “Eat me,” she ordered.A hot fur pie dropped on Arlo. He struggled to free his nose so he could breathe and then, he struggled to please her. He’d never done this before. He thought, “Oh God! What am I supposed to do? She liked, well I think she liked how I treated her breasts. I’ll do the same thing”.He kissed her snatch and gently licked and sucked on her slit. He explored her with his tongue. Accidentally, he encountered her clit. She reacted in a positive way.“Oh! Yes. There. There,” she cooed.Arlo brought his hands up and held her ass as he concentrated on the bump, this little nub that she seemed to like having touched. The whole experience reminded him of eating a peach. Both were fuzzy, juicy and delicious. He thought, “God! I’d never have guessed that eating pussy would be so fucking wonderful.”.Arlo was giving her his full attention. He noticed as time passed, she became more vocal and she moved her hips rhythmically. She cried out loudly, “Oh. Fucking yes!”She ground her pussy hard into his face. She slammed into him and held it there. Her thighs clamped down on his head. Arlo had no idea what was happening. His range of movement was limited, but he continued to flick his tongue and stimulate her the best he could.Meadow gasped loudly and drew in a large amount of air. She punched the top of his head and shouted, “Enough. Stop!” Then she rolled off and curled up into a ball. She rocked slowly, breathed deeply and concentrated on the wonderful orgasmic feelings that flowed through her body.Steve was slamming his dick into Sue and she loved it and cooed, “Oh. Oh, baby. Yes.”This pissed Warren off. He pulled out of Wendy and manhandled her rolling her over. “Come on. Up on your knees. Time for doggie.”Bam! He slapped her ample ass and the sound echoed in the room.“Ouch!” his date cried out.His action had the desired effect. Sue and Steven looked over at him. His big heavy dick pointed menacing at them as he swiveled in their direction making sure they saw his large cock. Then he grabbed it and placed it against Wendy’s butthole.She freaked. “No! Don’t even think about it!”Wendy moved frantically getting her anus away from his dick. Warren laughed and moved his dick to her pussy. One hand held his dick at her opening, the other grabbed her hip. He held her still as he thrust inside her.She raised her head and howled as he flew in her. “Oh, my God! Your dick spreads me.”Warren smiled. He was glad to be the center of attention again. Wendy preferred other, more intimate positions. She liked to see and kiss her lovers, but there was something special, naughty about doing it doggie style.This position was a favorite of Warren’s. He loved to pound away and see his dick penetrating a girl’s pussy. He liked the deep penetration, the feeling of dominating his partner and the erotic view of her ass. They were all big turn-ons for him.“Uhm. Uhm. Uhm,” he moaned as he screwed his girlfriend.Wendy also appreciated the deep penetration. She groaned, “Oh. Oh. So deep!”She arched her back to change the angle of his dick. She moved to increase her pleasure.“Back that ass up!” Warren called out as he saw and felt her bounce, swing and roll her hips.She moved to get him to hit all the right spots for her. A bonus for Wendy was with every thrust, his swinging testicles stimulated her clit as they swung forward hitting her love button.“Ohh. Fuck me!” Wendy cried.Steven and Sue found themselves moving in rhythm with their mates. The foursome fed off each other – the sights, the sounds, the smells. There was a crescendo of guttural cries as everyone climaxed urged on by the others.Warren took pride on being the last. He pulled out and shot his load on Wendy’s ass and back. The big dog marked his territory and smirked.Arlo lay on his side and watched and waited. After a couple of minutes, Meadow turned towards him. She punched his shoulder and said angrily, “You bastard. What’s wrong with you? When a woman comes, leave her be and let her enjoy her orgasm. The clit gets too tender for you to keep going on and on.”Arlo stared at her blankly. He didn’t know what she was talking about. He started babbling, “I’m sorry if I did it wrong. I’ve never done that before. I don’t what’s enough and what’s too much. Sorry.”Meadow acted like she didn’t hear his apology. She was still drunk and even though she had had an orgasm, she was still mad at men. She saw his erection and grabbed it.“Get on you back,” she shouted angrily.Her rage startled him. He rolled over on his back. She straddled him and slotted his penis at her opening. She decided that she was going to do whatever she wanted. She was going to have fun tonight. She eased down on his hardness.“Oh, yeah,” she cried as he went in her.Arlo cried out too, “Oh!” His exclamation was a cry of surprise.She sank slowly on his rod. She savored the initial penetration and the spreading of her flesh. She said, “This is payback for all those jerks who fucked me, got off and left me unsatisfied. Why can’t tonight be my night? Why can’t I come twice?”Arlo was shell shocked. This whole evening had been strange, a true night of firsts for him. Before this evening, he’d been an inexperienced virgin who hadn’t kissed a girl and now he’d seen one naked, been jerked off, kissed a grown woman, sucked her tits, ate her pussy and, the pièce de résistance, he was having sex, intercourse, with a woman.“Oh,” he moaned as he experienced the joy, the ecstasy, of being inside a woman.She began riding him. She started slowly giving herself time to adjust to a hard, thick object in her vagina. She fucked with no consideration of her partner. She did what she wanted, at the speed and rhythm she desired. The echo of her last orgasm was present. She drew on those feeling and moved quickly toward another.Arlo lay there as this beautiful woman gave him the most precious experience of his life. His dick loved everything she did. Lucky, he’d come in the shower fifteen minutes ago, otherwise he would have exploded the second time she bounced on his dick.He watched her face take on a determined expression. He saw her boobs bouncing around like crazy. He saw her triangle of hair rise and fall as her vagina rose and fell on his cock. She clenched her teeth, spittle flew from her mouth as she sucked in and expelled air. Then she cried out.“Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh!”She slammed herself home faster and faster, harder and harder. Her pussy clenched his dick.He came. “Oh God!” he yelled.She came. “Fuck!”His ears were ringing. His heart pounded. He’d never felt joy like this before.Meadow lost contact with reality. She was already drunk. This orgasmic high took her to a new world. One of bliss, pure unadulterated bliss. She tumbled off him and luxuriated in the most wonderful feeling a woman can experience.The lovers concentrated on the beautiful feelings. Sleep soon claimed them.Meadow woke first the next morning. She was lying on her side. Her head faced the edge of the bed. She could see out the window. It was a dreary, rainy morn.She was hungover. Her mouth was desert dry. Her head was pounding like there was a little monkey inside her skull banging a drum. She was achy and nauseous.As full consciousness came to her, she felt a familiar sensation. Her vagina felt open and sore in a good way. That was how she felt the day after having sex.“What happened last night?” she wondered. She remembered the fight with her boyfriend Ted. She knew they hadn’t had sex. She remembered being upset, coming home, and drinking heavily. What happened after she drank was sketchy.She lifted the sheet and said to herself, “I’m naked?”That wasn’t how she usually slept. She decided to check herself. She snaked a hand down to her pussy. She noticed her lips were swollen and sore and there were crusty remains on her sex and thighs. “Okay. I had sex last night?” she asked herself. “With who?”.She heard a male snort behind. Meadow sat up and turned around. She recognized the boy in her bed even though she only saw the back of him.“Arlo?” she shouted panicking. “What are you doing in my bed?”“Huh?” Arlo groaned as he woke.When he turned toward her, Meadow saw his injuries. He had a black-eye and a rug burn on his face. His body had scratches and bruises.She recalled scouring his face with her pussy and fighting over a liquor bottle. She immediately felt bad. She said, “Oh, Arlo! I’m so sorry.”She was distraught and had a flashback recalling more of what happened the night before. She recalled her drinking and the way she had used Arlo sexually. Her embarrassment and distress were increased by the injuries she saw on his body. She knew she had caused them all.She began to cry and apologized again. “Arlo, I remember what happened last night. I can see I hurt you and I know I took advantage you. I’m so sorry.”He stared at her blankly. He remembered last night as his night of firsts. It was a great night in his mind. He dismissed the injuries as accidental and insignificant.Before he could respond, she said, “I was drunk and abusive. I apologize. God! I don’t know how I can make it up to you.”Suddenly the stories girlfriends had told her about being raped by men filled her mind. A common theme of the survivors was how difficult it was to put the horrific experience behind them and to trust men again.Meadow began sobbing. She felt so guilty. She worried that she had done serious damage to Arlo, much deeper and more damaging than the scratches and a black eye.She cried and said, “Arlo, I’m a lawyer, a district attorney. Every day I strive to do the right thing. My integrity and reputation are important to me. I fight for the victims of crimes. If I can’t make things right, I try to make the situation better and give people some justice. My actions last night go against everything I believed.”Arlo was quiet and still. He didn’t relate well to people under normal circumstances. He had no clue what to do with this blubbering woman confessing her sins to him. He made an awkward situation more awkward by saying and doing nothing.Meadow finally stopped crying. She grabbed a tissue and blew her nose. Then she took a deep breath to settled herself.“Arlo, what I did was bad. Wrong.”“I forgive you.”He was thinking about the two orgasms she had given him. He’d trade a black eye for a fuck any day of the week.“No. You’re just be
Recovering From Bad Events.By regularguy 13. Listen to the ►Podcast at Steamy Stories.“Stay there,” Arlo instructed her.He turned the water off. He grabbed a towel and quickly dried his body. Then he patted her down.“Let’s get you to bed,” he said.He draped the towel over her shoulder as if that provided adequate cover. Then, he helped her stand. As they were leaving the bathroom, she said, “Wait.”She pulled the towel off her and proceeded to hang it in its place.“Okay. Ready,” she said.Arlo was beside her with a protective arm around her waist. They walked into the bedroom. At first, Arlo watched her feet and made sure the floor was clear of hazards. Then biology and curiosity took over and he stared at her nakedness. His erection returned.“Here we go,” he said. “Sit on the bed.”Meadow landed hard onto the bed. Her boobs bounced delightfully and her legs splayed open showing tender, pink flesh.“Easy now,” Arlo said. He steadied her and kept her upright.Meadow sat there. All the booze she had drank caused a shift in her personality. She was feeling depressed and indulged in self-pity. She sobbed.“Why do men cheat on me?” she asked her nephew.Arlo didn’t know what to say so he said nothing. She continued.“Ted was supposed to take me out tonight. Instead, he’s having a cocaine party with two women he just met. He’d rather get high and screw strangers than be with me. We’ve been dating six months. Sleeping together for five. I gave him my ass and still he dumped me.”Tears ran down her cheeks. She looked up at Arlo with eyes full of sorrow.He attempted to console her. “You’re beautiful,” he assured her.Meadow looked at his manly dick and looked back into his brown eyes. Both reminded her of Ted. The alcohol flowing through her body changed her mood. The “self-pitying drunk” became an “angry drunk”.To her, Arlo represented Ted and all the other men who had cheated on her.She grabbed his dick and pulled him to her. Arlo had no choice, but to get on the bed with her. They ended up side by side on the mattress.“Hey! What are you doing? "Arlo shrieked.Meadow laughed harshly and said, "I’ve had it being used and discarded by men. I’m in charge now.”She pulled on his cock to show that she was the boss. Then, she pulled his head to her and kissed him hard.She was the aggressor. She rolled him on his back, climbed on top of him and kissed him more. Arlo was confused and hesitant.“Wait. Aunt Meadow,” he protested. He was worried her mood with shift again and he’d be in trouble.“Puckered up,” she responded.She kissed him repeatedly. His fear evaporated and Arlo began to enjoy it. He found her lips warm and soft. He didn’t care that his first real kiss was with a relative.Wendy and Sue stepped out of the upstairs bathroom and Steven and Warren swooped down on them. They ushered them down the hall to Steve’s room. Warren closed the door behind them.“What’s this all about?” Sue asked giggling.Warren embraced Wendy and kissed her passionately. Then he said, “We can only watch our beautiful girlfriends moving sexily and seductively on the dance floor for so long before we need to wrap them in our arms and ravish them.”“Oh,” Wendy moaned. She kissed her boyfriend. Romantic words like that were one of the reasons she loved him.Sue and Steven kissed. The couples necked and made their way to the queen-sized bed in the room. They each took half. Caresses followed. Clothing was removed and flung to the floor.The inebriated girls lay on the back and let themselves be lost in the moment. They didn’t care they were naked or having sex while their friends were present.The young women lay with their heads resting on pillows. Their eyes were closed as the boys fingered them and suck on their tits. They felt their bodies warm and their slits get slippery. Their breathing was audible. Small moans of pleasure were also heard.The guys looked at each other and shared a secret smile as they snuck a look at the other’s girl. Steve stared at Wendy’s big tits. Warren noted Sue’s fine, small pair.Warren said, “Okay girls, time for you to suck our cocks.”Steven smiled. He liked the idea. The girls were agreeable. The guys sat up on the bed with their backs against the headboard. They smiled like they were the masters of the universe. The women knelt in between their date’s leg.“Oh, My God!” Sue screamed when she saw Warren’s cock. “Is that for real?”Warren laughed happily. He was pleased and proud that she had noticed. He grinned and said, “Yes.”Steve looked. He too was impressed. Wendy gave everyone a silly, drunken grin and she stroked her man.Sue was still mesmerized. She asked in all honesty, “Wendy, you can handle that?”Wendy blushed. Warren said, “She loves every inch of it. She can’t get enough. Show her, Babe.”Wendy bent down and took it into her mouth. The head went in easily. She labored working on the rest. Sue and Steve watched intently.Warren smiled. He loved being the center of attention.Eventually, Sue realized she was staring and worried that Steve would get mad or feel inferior. She placed a hand on Steve’s face, looked him in the eye and said, “I love you.” She emphasized the last word.He smiled gratefully and they kissed. Then, Sue did her darndest to show her man she appreciated his cock. She sucked, licked, kissed and stroked his average size member.Warren got pissed when the short haired, small breasted blond ignored him and concentrated on her boyfriend. He took charge again.“I smell pussy. I want to eat pussy.”They collegians re-arranged themselves for the next activity. The girls were shamed by his comment that he could smell their weeping cunts. The guys ignored their distress and dove in. They licked, fingered and slurped the nectar of their dates. The girls soon forgot about their embarrassment and loved the attention being lavished on them.“Oh. Oh! Oh,” Wendy cried out as she came. The combination of two fingers in her pussy and an active tongue on her button drove her over the edge.Warren paused imagining he was hearing applause. Then, before Wendy could recover from her orgasm, he slid up her body and penetrated her.“Oh!” she cried loudly. “Too much!”Everyone looked her way. They saw her eyes roll back in her head. Her body trembled and she thrashed about. A look of shock washed over her face. Steve and Sue worried for her wellbeing.Warren smiled as he watched his effect on her.“Ah,” Wendy sighed loudly. A bit later, her color returned. She breathed easier and cooed, “Oh. Oh. Oh, Warren!”The concerned the other couple had vanished. Steve kissed Sue. He mounted and penetrated her slowly and gently.“Oh!” Sue sighed loudly. She wrapped her legs around her man. It was wonderful to feel him inside her. The feeling was mutual.“Em,” Steve moaned.They made sweet love.After an extended period of kissing, Meadow got on her hands and knees. She straddling Arlo and presented a breast to his mouth.“Kiss my boob.”Arlo didn’t hesitate this time. He kissed all parts of her boob. It looked huge hanging down from her chest. Soon he was licking and softly sucking on her big, hard nipple.“Mum. Yeah, like that,” she moaned. She enjoyed his attention.Minutes later, she moved and swung the other tit over to his mouth. He gave it the same loving treatment.She sat up and addressed him while towering over him. “I’ve sucked a lot of dicks. Not always because I wanted to, but to please some man. I’m not sucking yours. You are performing oral sex on me.”She slid her knees forward until her pussy was over his mouth. She sat on his face. “Eat me,” she ordered.A hot fur pie dropped on Arlo. He struggled to free his nose so he could breathe and then, he struggled to please her. He’d never done this before. He thought, “Oh God! What am I supposed to do? She liked, well I think she liked how I treated her breasts. I’ll do the same thing”.He kissed her snatch and gently licked and sucked on her slit. He explored her with his tongue. Accidentally, he encountered her clit. She reacted in a positive way.“Oh! Yes. There. There,” she cooed.Arlo brought his hands up and held her ass as he concentrated on the bump, this little nub that she seemed to like having touched. The whole experience reminded him of eating a peach. Both were fuzzy, juicy and delicious. He thought, “God! I’d never have guessed that eating pussy would be so fucking wonderful.”.Arlo was giving her his full attention. He noticed as time passed, she became more vocal and she moved her hips rhythmically. She cried out loudly, “Oh. Fucking yes!”She ground her pussy hard into his face. She slammed into him and held it there. Her thighs clamped down on his head. Arlo had no idea what was happening. His range of movement was limited, but he continued to flick his tongue and stimulate her the best he could.Meadow gasped loudly and drew in a large amount of air. She punched the top of his head and shouted, “Enough. Stop!” Then she rolled off and curled up into a ball. She rocked slowly, breathed deeply and concentrated on the wonderful orgasmic feelings that flowed through her body.Steve was slamming his dick into Sue and she loved it and cooed, “Oh. Oh, baby. Yes.”This pissed Warren off. He pulled out of Wendy and manhandled her rolling her over. “Come on. Up on your knees. Time for doggie.”Bam! He slapped her ample ass and the sound echoed in the room.“Ouch!” his date cried out.His action had the desired effect. Sue and Steven looked over at him. His big heavy dick pointed menacing at them as he swiveled in their direction making sure they saw his large cock. Then he grabbed it and placed it against Wendy’s butthole.She freaked. “No! Don’t even think about it!”Wendy moved frantically getting her anus away from his dick. Warren laughed and moved his dick to her pussy. One hand held his dick at her opening, the other grabbed her hip. He held her still as he thrust inside her.She raised her head and howled as he flew in her. “Oh, my God! Your dick spreads me.”Warren smiled. He was glad to be the center of attention again. Wendy preferred other, more intimate positions. She liked to see and kiss her lovers, but there was something special, naughty about doing it doggie style.This position was a favorite of Warren’s. He loved to pound away and see his dick penetrating a girl’s pussy. He liked the deep penetration, the feeling of dominating his partner and the erotic view of her ass. They were all big turn-ons for him.“Uhm. Uhm. Uhm,” he moaned as he screwed his girlfriend.Wendy also appreciated the deep penetration. She groaned, “Oh. Oh. So deep!”She arched her back to change the angle of his dick. She moved to increase her pleasure.“Back that ass up!” Warren called out as he saw and felt her bounce, swing and roll her hips.She moved to get him to hit all the right spots for her. A bonus for Wendy was with every thrust, his swinging testicles stimulated her clit as they swung forward hitting her love button.“Ohh. Fuck me!” Wendy cried.Steven and Sue found themselves moving in rhythm with their mates. The foursome fed off each other – the sights, the sounds, the smells. There was a crescendo of guttural cries as everyone climaxed urged on by the others.Warren took pride on being the last. He pulled out and shot his load on Wendy’s ass and back. The big dog marked his territory and smirked.Arlo lay on his side and watched and waited. After a couple of minutes, Meadow turned towards him. She punched his shoulder and said angrily, “You bastard. What’s wrong with you? When a woman comes, leave her be and let her enjoy her orgasm. The clit gets too tender for you to keep going on and on.”Arlo stared at her blankly. He didn’t know what she was talking about. He started babbling, “I’m sorry if I did it wrong. I’ve never done that before. I don’t what’s enough and what’s too much. Sorry.”Meadow acted like she didn’t hear his apology. She was still drunk and even though she had had an orgasm, she was still mad at men. She saw his erection and grabbed it.“Get on you back,” she shouted angrily.Her rage startled him. He rolled over on his back. She straddled him and slotted his penis at her opening. She decided that she was going to do whatever she wanted. She was going to have fun tonight. She eased down on his hardness.“Oh, yeah,” she cried as he went in her.Arlo cried out too, “Oh!” His exclamation was a cry of surprise.She sank slowly on his rod. She savored the initial penetration and the spreading of her flesh. She said, “This is payback for all those jerks who fucked me, got off and left me unsatisfied. Why can’t tonight be my night? Why can’t I come twice?”Arlo was shell shocked. This whole evening had been strange, a true night of firsts for him. Before this evening, he’d been an inexperienced virgin who hadn’t kissed a girl and now he’d seen one naked, been jerked off, kissed a grown woman, sucked her tits, ate her pussy and, the pièce de résistance, he was having sex, intercourse, with a woman.“Oh,” he moaned as he experienced the joy, the ecstasy, of being inside a woman.She began riding him. She started slowly giving herself time to adjust to a hard, thick object in her vagina. She fucked with no consideration of her partner. She did what she wanted, at the speed and rhythm she desired. The echo of her last orgasm was present. She drew on those feeling and moved quickly toward another.Arlo lay there as this beautiful woman gave him the most precious experience of his life. His dick loved everything she did. Lucky, he’d come in the shower fifteen minutes ago, otherwise he would have exploded the second time she bounced on his dick.He watched her face take on a determined expression. He saw her boobs bouncing around like crazy. He saw her triangle of hair rise and fall as her vagina rose and fell on his cock. She clenched her teeth, spittle flew from her mouth as she sucked in and expelled air. Then she cried out.“Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh!”She slammed herself home faster and faster, harder and harder. Her pussy clenched his dick.He came. “Oh God!” he yelled.She came. “Fuck!”His ears were ringing. His heart pounded. He’d never felt joy like this before.Meadow lost contact with reality. She was already drunk. This orgasmic high took her to a new world. One of bliss, pure unadulterated bliss. She tumbled off him and luxuriated in the most wonderful feeling a woman can experience.The lovers concentrated on the beautiful feelings. Sleep soon claimed them.Meadow woke first the next morning. She was lying on her side. Her head faced the edge of the bed. She could see out the window. It was a dreary, rainy morn.She was hungover. Her mouth was desert dry. Her head was pounding like there was a little monkey inside her skull banging a drum. She was achy and nauseous.As full consciousness came to her, she felt a familiar sensation. Her vagina felt open and sore in a good way. That was how she felt the day after having sex.“What happened last night?” she wondered. She remembered the fight with her boyfriend Ted. She knew they hadn’t had sex. She remembered being upset, coming home, and drinking heavily. What happened after she drank was sketchy.She lifted the sheet and said to herself, “I’m naked?”That wasn’t how she usually slept. She decided to check herself. She snaked a hand down to her pussy. She noticed her lips were swollen and sore and there were crusty remains on her sex and thighs. “Okay. I had sex last night?” she asked herself. “With who?”.She heard a male snort behind. Meadow sat up and turned around. She recognized the boy in her bed even though she only saw the back of him.“Arlo?” she shouted panicking. “What are you doing in my bed?”“Huh?” Arlo groaned as he woke.When he turned toward her, Meadow saw his injuries. He had a black-eye and a rug burn on his face. His body had scratches and bruises.She recalled scouring his face with her pussy and fighting over a liquor bottle. She immediately felt bad. She said, “Oh, Arlo! I’m so sorry.”She was distraught and had a flashback recalling more of what happened the night before. She recalled her drinking and the way she had used Arlo sexually. Her embarrassment and distress were increased by the injuries she saw on his body. She knew she had caused them all.She began to cry and apologized again. “Arlo, I remember what happened last night. I can see I hurt you and I know I took advantage you. I’m so sorry.”He stared at her blankly. He remembered last night as his night of firsts. It was a great night in his mind. He dismissed the injuries as accidental and insignificant.Before he could respond, she said, “I was drunk and abusive. I apologize. God! I don’t know how I can make it up to you.”Suddenly the stories girlfriends had told her about being raped by men filled her mind. A common theme of the survivors was how difficult it was to put the horrific experience behind them and to trust men again.Meadow began sobbing. She felt so guilty. She worried that she had done serious damage to Arlo, much deeper and more damaging than the scratches and a black eye.She cried and said, “Arlo, I’m a lawyer, a district attorney. Every day I strive to do the right thing. My integrity and reputation are important to me. I fight for the victims of crimes. If I can’t make things right, I try to make the situation better and give people some justice. My actions last night go against everything I believed.”Arlo was quiet and still. He didn’t relate well to people under normal circumstances. He had no clue what to do with this blubbering woman confessing her sins to him. He made an awkward situation more awkward by saying and doing nothing.Meadow finally stopped crying. She grabbed a tissue and blew her nose. Then she took a deep breath to settled herself.“Arlo, what I did was bad. Wrong.”“I forgive you.”He was thinking about the two orgasms she had given him. He’d trade a black eye for a fuck any day of the week.“No. You’re just be
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Virgin guy gets the girl at last.Based on a post by S3lwyncd0g. Listen to the ►Podcast at Steamy Stories.I had no idea how much my life was about to change when I went to work that night in April 1980. I was nineteen, had no girlfriend, hell, never even been kissed. I had a job buffing floors in a department store. All the cleaning and restocking was done in the evening and right after closing. Then, after everyone was gone, I came in to do the floors. This way, no one was in my way or tracking on the floors. I would wax a different area each night and simply mop and buff all others as needed. I was going to Junior College and the store's general manager was my Dad's best friend and my godfather. Looking back, I was so lucky that this happened before camera surveillance systems were widespread and affordable.I stuck a tape in the cassette player in the office and it played over the store's sound system, Kool and the Gang was my music tonight. I turned around and nearly shit my pants. Daphne, the Boss's daughter, was right behind me, I yelped.“Sorry, Kip. Didn't mean to scare you.” she said.“T-That's okay,” I replied trying to calm down, “I didn't know anyone was here.”She pointed to her Dad's office, “Yeah, I was crashed on his sofa.”I noticed she had a sad demeanor and her hair was all mussed up.“I just didn't feel like going home and needed someplace to sit and think,” she said and turning, walked out of the office and onto the store floor.The offices were on the second floor which also contained the Home Decor and Furnishings as well as Clothing departments. I followed her.Daphne was almost like a cousin. We'd grown up together, she was a year older than me and had been a tomboy until puberty hit her. And boy, did it hit her hard. She went from cute to hot in no time. Of course boys noticed and flocked around her. I got left behind. Now at twenty she stood 5'9", was stacked with big tits and the naturally blonde hair from her Mother's Swedish family line. She was wearing a baggy blue crop-top and a pair of red and white striped tight short shorts. (ah the fashion of the 80's) Her long legs looked amazing. Naturally I followed her.“You okay?” I asked when I caught up with her.“Hmm? Oh yeah… I guess…” she mumbled. Then she stopped and leaned on the railing around the escalator. I stood there in silence.God, her ass looked awesome! I started to step away when she leaned forward on her elbows. Her crop top hung open and I could see her tits hanging free. They looked huge. Of course I wasn't experienced and had only seen tits in flashes and glimpses and Playboy. So this turned me on. I stood and stared for a moment then moved slightly to get a better view.“Kip? You know those silly episodes of shows and in movies where people swap bodies?”“Yeah.”“It's stupid, I know, doesn't happen, can't happen… but, damn, I wish I could do it right now.”“What do you mean?” I asked.Daphne turned and walked towards the Furnishings displays. She paused in a “Bedroom display” and stood in front of a dresser. It was wide and low with an enormous mirror.“I'm tired of this.” she said. “I was happier when we were kids and could play and swim and have fun together.” She looked at my reflection and continued, “You were my best friend and confidant. We had so much fun together. Remember when we went skinny dipping?” she smiled.We'd been only eight and nine at the time and didn't know anything about sex or attraction, hell we were so innocent, we weren't even curious. We simply got hot and swam, then dressed and went on playing. I'd actually forgotten about it.“Then suddenly I emerge from my cocoon a beautiful butterfly and everything changes.” She was quiet for a moment, just staring at her reflection. “I wish it hadn't.”I stepped closer, surprised to hear her confession. Taking a deep breath she continued.“Suddenly everyone wanted to be close to me, no… not just close. Everyone wanted to possess me, own me… use me. Even my Dad wanted to use me for advertising. Those photos they took? Yeah, those were the tame ones the company approved. Some were deemed unacceptable. Mom and Dad didn't care what the photographer asked me to do or wear or how to pose. They insisted that he was the professional and knew best. I felt cheap. And all the guys I dated? Every single one of them only wanted sex. That's why I dated so many guys. I'd date a guy till he pressed for sex, then drop him. Problem was that all the guys wanted sex, none of them wanted me.”Suddenly I felt guilty for looking at her tits.“Finally it happened. Six months ago, I went to a party. I was having fun, then I woke up the next day in a strange house with my ass in a gallon of cum. I'd been drugged and raped. I wanted to die.” Tears flowed as she continued. “They'd left polaroids of me getting fucked but nothing to identify them. I gave in and started having sex. I figured it was useless to refuse and the damage was already done, I wasn't a virgin. I ended up at another party where I lost count of the guys I fucked. Then I had a pregnancy scare and confessed to my folks. Mom and Dad saw the danger I was in. They supported me and protected me, even though it was too late. I've been to doctors, the police and psychiatrists. They say I'm clean and lucky. I didn't get pregnant or catch a disease. But there's no way to find who did it either. I had to cut out everyone who had been a part of my life before then. I was even afraid to go out or dress nice. I was afraid of someone seeing me and deciding they wanted me.”She looked at me.“I was so lonely. Then I thought of you. And I remembered how much fun we had, and how much we shared. I realized I hadn't had a best friend since I'd left you behind… And I realized you were my first boyfriend even if we didn't understand what that meant. I saw that I'd lost a really great guy. And I'm sorry for that. It was stupid.”“I'm sorry I didn't try to follow you.” I said. “I realized you were beautiful and figured that you were out of my league…”“Kip, Mom and I had a talk… well, we had a lot of talks, but… Look, do you think my dad is handsome?”“Uh, no.”“But my Mom is hot, right?”“Yeah!” I scoffed.“So I asked her why she picked him when she probably could have picked anyone. She said it was because he first was her best friend. They were friends first, lovers second. She said that's why they're happy.”“Oh.”“Kip? Can we go back? Can we be best friends again?”“Sure! Of course!”“And would you like to go out… sometime?”“Absolutely!”“Would you be my boyfriend?”I was touched. I realized how much I still cared for her and how much I'd missed her. I had been forced to push my feelings down and bury them.“I'd like that. I'd like that a lot.” I answered and a smile spread across my face.Daphne smiled and hugged me tightly. We stood there hugging as she sniffled for a while. My emotions were going everywhere. I was overjoyed to have my friend back, saddened that she had suffered, and… aroused by the feeling of her tits pressing tight against me, her arms around my neck, the warmth of her body… and my cock stiffened. In fact this had to be the fastest I went from flaccid to erect ever. I was mortified because there was no way Daphne could miss it.“Oh wow!” she said and rubbed her pelvis against my bulge. She giggled and squeezed me tighter. “God, Kip, that feels huge!”Releasing me she stepped back. I saw she was biting her lower lip as she stared at the bulge in my jeans. I knew that was a habit of hers when she was trying to make a decision. I tried to shift my hard on around a bit to get comfortable. Suddenly Daphne lunged forward and grabbed my belt. She opened my pants in a flash and yanked them down along with my briefs. My cock stood out and she grabbed it. Grinning she knelt in front of me and stroked it.It felt incredible. I'd jacked off before and this was so much better that I knew immediately that I wouldn't last. Daphne kissed it and sucked on it then when I cried out she swallowed all my cum. She finally released me and smiled.“Holy cow! That was amazing…” I mumbled.Daphne stood and kissed me. I felt her tongue slip into my mouth and her hands gripped my head tightly. My hands found her waist and slid up under her top without conscious thought. I felt her tits and she moaned.Daphne stepped back. She pulled off her top. Her tits were the most amazing tits I've ever seen. Even after all these years. They were round, full and firm, (I found out later she wore a 34D) with big pink areola and stubby darker nipples. She then shrugged off her tight shorts and panties. She flopped onto the display bed and held her arms out.I stripped quickly and joined her. She realized I was fumbling and guided my cock into her. Oh my god, the feeling of my first, warm, wet pussy was amazing. I had to stroke a few times to get all the way in, but she was full of encouragement. She finally had me going all out as she begged me for more.“Fuck me Kip! Fuck me! Yes!”Cliche as it may sound we came almost together. I was groaning and gasping as she practically screamed.But we didn't stop. We paused thrusting and grinding but I stayed inside of her and fairly stiff. We kissed over and over. I couldn't get enough of her. She wrapped her legs around my hips and squeezed. We continued to fuck and absolutely destroyed the display's bedding.My god, but she was loud! It drove me to pound her over and over. I came several times but we only slowed briefly. Each time she kissed, tongued and begged me for more. And my eager young cock responded quickly. This still turns me on, I am still thrilled by a loud lover.We fucked until I was spent, absolutely spent. I lay there panting, covered in sweat and Daphne rolled on top of me, we kissed and stared into each other's eyes. I caressed her back and she rubbed her wet crotch against me.“God, Kip! That was fantastic! Better than I dreamed!”“You dreamed?” I asked.“Well, yeah.” she said sitting up. “Last night in fact.”Daphne lay down on the bed and began caressing her breasts and playing with her nipples.“I gave into sex and enjoyed it, or rather, I enjoyed being wanted. I enjoyed getting fucked some of the time and endured it the rest of the time. But I seldom came. My orgasms were rare and sometimes disappointingly shallow and brief. Then I was celebate for so long, I was afraid to masturbate… afraid it would tempt me to go out and start look for sex. Finally, after talking to my Mom and thinking about you and what we had, I fell asleep last night and dreamed of you. I dreamed of seducing you and I woke up masturbating and about to cum.”“Did you?” I asked, grinning “Did you make yourself cum?”“Y-Yes…” she whispered.“Show me.” I whispered back. “Show me how you did it.”Daphne slid her right hand down her body to her moung and slowly spread her legs. Her hand massaged her pussy in circles as her left continued to squeeze her breast. She kept her eyes closed and slid two fingers into her pussy. I shifted to get a better view. She started stroking slowly and there was so much fluid, hers and mine, oozing out. I found it an unexpected turn on. My cock was stiff and I wanted to fuck her so badly but the sight mesmerized me. Soon she was stroking faster and faster. After a bit her hips began to rock. I glanced up and saw she was looking at me. She groaned and bit her lip as she came, her body going rigid for a moment.“I-I'mmm ccccuuuummmmmiinnnggg……” she moaned.I couldn't stand it. I mounted her and slid my cock into her as quickly as I could. Her pussy was so wet that I slid in all the way in one thrust. Her pussy was quivering and her eyes were wide as she gasped. She lifted her hands to my face and I found her wet finger in my mouth. I sucked them as I began to stroke in and out. Her titties bounced and I fucked harder and faster.“Ohhh gaawwwddd!” she moaned. “Ohhhhh yesssss! I'mmmm still ccuuummmminnnggggg…. Ohh god, oh god, oh god!” Daphne's eyes rolled back.Suddenly I exploded and came, pumping a huge load into Daphne's pussy. Daphne groaned and relaxed. I pulled out and she rolled onto her side and curled into a ball. Her pussy was visible as she pulled her knees up to her chest. I watched as my cum seeped from between those beautiful lips and flowed down to pool beneath her ass.I sat back and tried to control my breathing. This was insane! Fucking the boss's daughter, on the job, on a display bed! I looked around nervously. We were still alone. I found myself grinning both from the exhilaration of sex and the absurdity of it all.Daphne actually dozed off for a few minutes and I watched her as she slowly relaxed and rolled away from the puddle of wetness. She lay there and I realized just how beautiful she was. Not just sexy. She was that. But sweet and pretty and… I fell in love. She woke when I edged closer and caressed her hip and back. She smiled and we kissed.“Come on,” I said, “We've got a mess to clean up.”She looked at the bed and realized what we had done. We had not only ruined the bedding, but the wetness had seeped down into the mattress itself.After getting dressed, we gathered the soiled bedding and stuffed it into a garbage bag. She went to the back and retrieved another set and we remade the bed. She hung around while I finished buffing the floors, dancing to the music on the sound system. I hurried through the motions, but really the floors were in pretty good shape already. After putting my stuff away, I threw the bag of soiled bedding into the dumpster. I went back inside and found Daphne standing by the door to the offices. She seemed less cheerful and a little distant.“What's up?” I asked as I slid my arms around her.There were tears in her eyes as she looked at me. “Kip? Do… Do you want me? Really want me? Or am I just going to be your girlfriend for sex?”I was taken aback.“Of course I want you!”“But I was a slut. I've screwed a lot of guys…”“And you came to me.” I said. “And we didn't have to fuck but we did and it meant the world to me. Daphne, you were my first. Do you get it? I came to work a virgin and you gave yourself to me. I don't care how many guys you fucked before. You and I fucked and it was great! We came like, a jillion times and I want to do it again and again and again! And not just because you're sexy, but because you wanted me. And I want to be wanted, needed.”“I need you too Kip!” she said as the tears flowed freely. This sex with you was better than anything I've ever done… because it was you!“We kissed and I held her as she cried. Finally we locked up and I followed as she drove home.She developed a habit of popping in on me every night. Sometimes we fucked, sometimes we didn't. We were careful not to ruin any more displays. She later introduced me to oral sex, both giving and receiving. I loved eating her out, and she could get me off easily and swallow it all leaving nothing to clean up. Sometimes she would strip and dress in lingerie from the racks and dance for me.We dated and spent a lot of time together. I was surprised when her dad told me he was hiring another company to do the floors. But then he offered me a job as an Assistant Manager. When I accepted and we shook hands he grinned and said,“Good, can't have my son-in-law buffing floors all his life.”“Excuse me?”“I see the way you two are. You're in love. I'm in favor of it. The two of you belong together, you're good for each other. Just take your time and get it right, don't rush.”We did. And as I type this memory I know she is lying naked in our bed, waiting for me to come to her. So… goodnight.By S3lwyncd0g, for Literotica
Virgin guy gets the girl at last.Based on a post by S3lwyncd0g. Listen to the ►Podcast at Steamy Stories.I had no idea how much my life was about to change when I went to work that night in April 1980. I was nineteen, had no girlfriend, hell, never even been kissed. I had a job buffing floors in a department store. All the cleaning and restocking was done in the evening and right after closing. Then, after everyone was gone, I came in to do the floors. This way, no one was in my way or tracking on the floors. I would wax a different area each night and simply mop and buff all others as needed. I was going to Junior College and the store's general manager was my Dad's best friend and my godfather. Looking back, I was so lucky that this happened before camera surveillance systems were widespread and affordable.I stuck a tape in the cassette player in the office and it played over the store's sound system, Kool and the Gang was my music tonight. I turned around and nearly shit my pants. Daphne, the Boss's daughter, was right behind me, I yelped.“Sorry, Kip. Didn't mean to scare you.” she said.“T-That's okay,” I replied trying to calm down, “I didn't know anyone was here.”She pointed to her Dad's office, “Yeah, I was crashed on his sofa.”I noticed she had a sad demeanor and her hair was all mussed up.“I just didn't feel like going home and needed someplace to sit and think,” she said and turning, walked out of the office and onto the store floor.The offices were on the second floor which also contained the Home Decor and Furnishings as well as Clothing departments. I followed her.Daphne was almost like a cousin. We'd grown up together, she was a year older than me and had been a tomboy until puberty hit her. And boy, did it hit her hard. She went from cute to hot in no time. Of course boys noticed and flocked around her. I got left behind. Now at twenty she stood 5'9", was stacked with big tits and the naturally blonde hair from her Mother's Swedish family line. She was wearing a baggy blue crop-top and a pair of red and white striped tight short shorts. (ah the fashion of the 80's) Her long legs looked amazing. Naturally I followed her.“You okay?” I asked when I caught up with her.“Hmm? Oh yeah… I guess…” she mumbled. Then she stopped and leaned on the railing around the escalator. I stood there in silence.God, her ass looked awesome! I started to step away when she leaned forward on her elbows. Her crop top hung open and I could see her tits hanging free. They looked huge. Of course I wasn't experienced and had only seen tits in flashes and glimpses and Playboy. So this turned me on. I stood and stared for a moment then moved slightly to get a better view.“Kip? You know those silly episodes of shows and in movies where people swap bodies?”“Yeah.”“It's stupid, I know, doesn't happen, can't happen… but, damn, I wish I could do it right now.”“What do you mean?” I asked.Daphne turned and walked towards the Furnishings displays. She paused in a “Bedroom display” and stood in front of a dresser. It was wide and low with an enormous mirror.“I'm tired of this.” she said. “I was happier when we were kids and could play and swim and have fun together.” She looked at my reflection and continued, “You were my best friend and confidant. We had so much fun together. Remember when we went skinny dipping?” she smiled.We'd been only eight and nine at the time and didn't know anything about sex or attraction, hell we were so innocent, we weren't even curious. We simply got hot and swam, then dressed and went on playing. I'd actually forgotten about it.“Then suddenly I emerge from my cocoon a beautiful butterfly and everything changes.” She was quiet for a moment, just staring at her reflection. “I wish it hadn't.”I stepped closer, surprised to hear her confession. Taking a deep breath she continued.“Suddenly everyone wanted to be close to me, no… not just close. Everyone wanted to possess me, own me… use me. Even my Dad wanted to use me for advertising. Those photos they took? Yeah, those were the tame ones the company approved. Some were deemed unacceptable. Mom and Dad didn't care what the photographer asked me to do or wear or how to pose. They insisted that he was the professional and knew best. I felt cheap. And all the guys I dated? Every single one of them only wanted sex. That's why I dated so many guys. I'd date a guy till he pressed for sex, then drop him. Problem was that all the guys wanted sex, none of them wanted me.”Suddenly I felt guilty for looking at her tits.“Finally it happened. Six months ago, I went to a party. I was having fun, then I woke up the next day in a strange house with my ass in a gallon of cum. I'd been drugged and raped. I wanted to die.” Tears flowed as she continued. “They'd left polaroids of me getting fucked but nothing to identify them. I gave in and started having sex. I figured it was useless to refuse and the damage was already done, I wasn't a virgin. I ended up at another party where I lost count of the guys I fucked. Then I had a pregnancy scare and confessed to my folks. Mom and Dad saw the danger I was in. They supported me and protected me, even though it was too late. I've been to doctors, the police and psychiatrists. They say I'm clean and lucky. I didn't get pregnant or catch a disease. But there's no way to find who did it either. I had to cut out everyone who had been a part of my life before then. I was even afraid to go out or dress nice. I was afraid of someone seeing me and deciding they wanted me.”She looked at me.“I was so lonely. Then I thought of you. And I remembered how much fun we had, and how much we shared. I realized I hadn't had a best friend since I'd left you behind… And I realized you were my first boyfriend even if we didn't understand what that meant. I saw that I'd lost a really great guy. And I'm sorry for that. It was stupid.”“I'm sorry I didn't try to follow you.” I said. “I realized you were beautiful and figured that you were out of my league…”“Kip, Mom and I had a talk… well, we had a lot of talks, but… Look, do you think my dad is handsome?”“Uh, no.”“But my Mom is hot, right?”“Yeah!” I scoffed.“So I asked her why she picked him when she probably could have picked anyone. She said it was because he first was her best friend. They were friends first, lovers second. She said that's why they're happy.”“Oh.”“Kip? Can we go back? Can we be best friends again?”“Sure! Of course!”“And would you like to go out… sometime?”“Absolutely!”“Would you be my boyfriend?”I was touched. I realized how much I still cared for her and how much I'd missed her. I had been forced to push my feelings down and bury them.“I'd like that. I'd like that a lot.” I answered and a smile spread across my face.Daphne smiled and hugged me tightly. We stood there hugging as she sniffled for a while. My emotions were going everywhere. I was overjoyed to have my friend back, saddened that she had suffered, and… aroused by the feeling of her tits pressing tight against me, her arms around my neck, the warmth of her body… and my cock stiffened. In fact this had to be the fastest I went from flaccid to erect ever. I was mortified because there was no way Daphne could miss it.“Oh wow!” she said and rubbed her pelvis against my bulge. She giggled and squeezed me tighter. “God, Kip, that feels huge!”Releasing me she stepped back. I saw she was biting her lower lip as she stared at the bulge in my jeans. I knew that was a habit of hers when she was trying to make a decision. I tried to shift my hard on around a bit to get comfortable. Suddenly Daphne lunged forward and grabbed my belt. She opened my pants in a flash and yanked them down along with my briefs. My cock stood out and she grabbed it. Grinning she knelt in front of me and stroked it.It felt incredible. I'd jacked off before and this was so much better that I knew immediately that I wouldn't last. Daphne kissed it and sucked on it then when I cried out she swallowed all my cum. She finally released me and smiled.“Holy cow! That was amazing…” I mumbled.Daphne stood and kissed me. I felt her tongue slip into my mouth and her hands gripped my head tightly. My hands found her waist and slid up under her top without conscious thought. I felt her tits and she moaned.Daphne stepped back. She pulled off her top. Her tits were the most amazing tits I've ever seen. Even after all these years. They were round, full and firm, (I found out later she wore a 34D) with big pink areola and stubby darker nipples. She then shrugged off her tight shorts and panties. She flopped onto the display bed and held her arms out.I stripped quickly and joined her. She realized I was fumbling and guided my cock into her. Oh my god, the feeling of my first, warm, wet pussy was amazing. I had to stroke a few times to get all the way in, but she was full of encouragement. She finally had me going all out as she begged me for more.“Fuck me Kip! Fuck me! Yes!”Cliche as it may sound we came almost together. I was groaning and gasping as she practically screamed.But we didn't stop. We paused thrusting and grinding but I stayed inside of her and fairly stiff. We kissed over and over. I couldn't get enough of her. She wrapped her legs around my hips and squeezed. We continued to fuck and absolutely destroyed the display's bedding.My god, but she was loud! It drove me to pound her over and over. I came several times but we only slowed briefly. Each time she kissed, tongued and begged me for more. And my eager young cock responded quickly. This still turns me on, I am still thrilled by a loud lover.We fucked until I was spent, absolutely spent. I lay there panting, covered in sweat and Daphne rolled on top of me, we kissed and stared into each other's eyes. I caressed her back and she rubbed her wet crotch against me.“God, Kip! That was fantastic! Better than I dreamed!”“You dreamed?” I asked.“Well, yeah.” she said sitting up. “Last night in fact.”Daphne lay down on the bed and began caressing her breasts and playing with her nipples.“I gave into sex and enjoyed it, or rather, I enjoyed being wanted. I enjoyed getting fucked some of the time and endured it the rest of the time. But I seldom came. My orgasms were rare and sometimes disappointingly shallow and brief. Then I was celebate for so long, I was afraid to masturbate… afraid it would tempt me to go out and start look for sex. Finally, after talking to my Mom and thinking about you and what we had, I fell asleep last night and dreamed of you. I dreamed of seducing you and I woke up masturbating and about to cum.”“Did you?” I asked, grinning “Did you make yourself cum?”“Y-Yes…” she whispered.“Show me.” I whispered back. “Show me how you did it.”Daphne slid her right hand down her body to her moung and slowly spread her legs. Her hand massaged her pussy in circles as her left continued to squeeze her breast. She kept her eyes closed and slid two fingers into her pussy. I shifted to get a better view. She started stroking slowly and there was so much fluid, hers and mine, oozing out. I found it an unexpected turn on. My cock was stiff and I wanted to fuck her so badly but the sight mesmerized me. Soon she was stroking faster and faster. After a bit her hips began to rock. I glanced up and saw she was looking at me. She groaned and bit her lip as she came, her body going rigid for a moment.“I-I'mmm ccccuuuummmmmiinnnggg……” she moaned.I couldn't stand it. I mounted her and slid my cock into her as quickly as I could. Her pussy was so wet that I slid in all the way in one thrust. Her pussy was quivering and her eyes were wide as she gasped. She lifted her hands to my face and I found her wet finger in my mouth. I sucked them as I began to stroke in and out. Her titties bounced and I fucked harder and faster.“Ohhh gaawwwddd!” she moaned. “Ohhhhh yesssss! I'mmmm still ccuuummmminnnggggg…. Ohh god, oh god, oh god!” Daphne's eyes rolled back.Suddenly I exploded and came, pumping a huge load into Daphne's pussy. Daphne groaned and relaxed. I pulled out and she rolled onto her side and curled into a ball. Her pussy was visible as she pulled her knees up to her chest. I watched as my cum seeped from between those beautiful lips and flowed down to pool beneath her ass.I sat back and tried to control my breathing. This was insane! Fucking the boss's daughter, on the job, on a display bed! I looked around nervously. We were still alone. I found myself grinning both from the exhilaration of sex and the absurdity of it all.Daphne actually dozed off for a few minutes and I watched her as she slowly relaxed and rolled away from the puddle of wetness. She lay there and I realized just how beautiful she was. Not just sexy. She was that. But sweet and pretty and… I fell in love. She woke when I edged closer and caressed her hip and back. She smiled and we kissed.“Come on,” I said, “We've got a mess to clean up.”She looked at the bed and realized what we had done. We had not only ruined the bedding, but the wetness had seeped down into the mattress itself.After getting dressed, we gathered the soiled bedding and stuffed it into a garbage bag. She went to the back and retrieved another set and we remade the bed. She hung around while I finished buffing the floors, dancing to the music on the sound system. I hurried through the motions, but really the floors were in pretty good shape already. After putting my stuff away, I threw the bag of soiled bedding into the dumpster. I went back inside and found Daphne standing by the door to the offices. She seemed less cheerful and a little distant.“What's up?” I asked as I slid my arms around her.There were tears in her eyes as she looked at me. “Kip? Do… Do you want me? Really want me? Or am I just going to be your girlfriend for sex?”I was taken aback.“Of course I want you!”“But I was a slut. I've screwed a lot of guys…”“And you came to me.” I said. “And we didn't have to fuck but we did and it meant the world to me. Daphne, you were my first. Do you get it? I came to work a virgin and you gave yourself to me. I don't care how many guys you fucked before. You and I fucked and it was great! We came like, a jillion times and I want to do it again and again and again! And not just because you're sexy, but because you wanted me. And I want to be wanted, needed.”“I need you too Kip!” she said as the tears flowed freely. This sex with you was better than anything I've ever done… because it was you!“We kissed and I held her as she cried. Finally we locked up and I followed as she drove home.She developed a habit of popping in on me every night. Sometimes we fucked, sometimes we didn't. We were careful not to ruin any more displays. She later introduced me to oral sex, both giving and receiving. I loved eating her out, and she could get me off easily and swallow it all leaving nothing to clean up. Sometimes she would strip and dress in lingerie from the racks and dance for me.We dated and spent a lot of time together. I was surprised when her dad told me he was hiring another company to do the floors. But then he offered me a job as an Assistant Manager. When I accepted and we shook hands he grinned and said,“Good, can't have my son-in-law buffing floors all his life.”“Excuse me?”“I see the way you two are. You're in love. I'm in favor of it. The two of you belong together, you're good for each other. Just take your time and get it right, don't rush.”We did. And as I type this memory I know she is lying naked in our bed, waiting for me to come to her. So… goodnight.By S3lwyncd0g, for Literotica
Virgin guy gets the girl at last.Based on a post by S3lwyncd0g. Listen to the ►Podcast at Steamy Stories.I had no idea how much my life was about to change when I went to work that night in April 1980. I was nineteen, had no girlfriend, hell, never even been kissed. I had a job buffing floors in a department store. All the cleaning and restocking was done in the evening and right after closing. Then, after everyone was gone, I came in to do the floors. This way, no one was in my way or tracking on the floors. I would wax a different area each night and simply mop and buff all others as needed. I was going to Junior College and the store's general manager was my Dad's best friend and my godfather. Looking back, I was so lucky that this happened before camera surveillance systems were widespread and affordable.I stuck a tape in the cassette player in the office and it played over the store's sound system, Kool and the Gang was my music tonight. I turned around and nearly shit my pants. Daphne, the Boss's daughter, was right behind me, I yelped.“Sorry, Kip. Didn't mean to scare you.” she said.“T-That's okay,” I replied trying to calm down, “I didn't know anyone was here.”She pointed to her Dad's office, “Yeah, I was crashed on his sofa.”I noticed she had a sad demeanor and her hair was all mussed up.“I just didn't feel like going home and needed someplace to sit and think,” she said and turning, walked out of the office and onto the store floor.The offices were on the second floor which also contained the Home Decor and Furnishings as well as Clothing departments. I followed her.Daphne was almost like a cousin. We'd grown up together, she was a year older than me and had been a tomboy until puberty hit her. And boy, did it hit her hard. She went from cute to hot in no time. Of course boys noticed and flocked around her. I got left behind. Now at twenty she stood 5'9", was stacked with big tits and the naturally blonde hair from her Mother's Swedish family line. She was wearing a baggy blue crop-top and a pair of red and white striped tight short shorts. (ah the fashion of the 80's) Her long legs looked amazing. Naturally I followed her.“You okay?” I asked when I caught up with her.“Hmm? Oh yeah… I guess…” she mumbled. Then she stopped and leaned on the railing around the escalator. I stood there in silence.God, her ass looked awesome! I started to step away when she leaned forward on her elbows. Her crop top hung open and I could see her tits hanging free. They looked huge. Of course I wasn't experienced and had only seen tits in flashes and glimpses and Playboy. So this turned me on. I stood and stared for a moment then moved slightly to get a better view.“Kip? You know those silly episodes of shows and in movies where people swap bodies?”“Yeah.”“It's stupid, I know, doesn't happen, can't happen… but, damn, I wish I could do it right now.”“What do you mean?” I asked.Daphne turned and walked towards the Furnishings displays. She paused in a “Bedroom display” and stood in front of a dresser. It was wide and low with an enormous mirror.“I'm tired of this.” she said. “I was happier when we were kids and could play and swim and have fun together.” She looked at my reflection and continued, “You were my best friend and confidant. We had so much fun together. Remember when we went skinny dipping?” she smiled.We'd been only eight and nine at the time and didn't know anything about sex or attraction, hell we were so innocent, we weren't even curious. We simply got hot and swam, then dressed and went on playing. I'd actually forgotten about it.“Then suddenly I emerge from my cocoon a beautiful butterfly and everything changes.” She was quiet for a moment, just staring at her reflection. “I wish it hadn't.”I stepped closer, surprised to hear her confession. Taking a deep breath she continued.“Suddenly everyone wanted to be close to me, no… not just close. Everyone wanted to possess me, own me… use me. Even my Dad wanted to use me for advertising. Those photos they took? Yeah, those were the tame ones the company approved. Some were deemed unacceptable. Mom and Dad didn't care what the photographer asked me to do or wear or how to pose. They insisted that he was the professional and knew best. I felt cheap. And all the guys I dated? Every single one of them only wanted sex. That's why I dated so many guys. I'd date a guy till he pressed for sex, then drop him. Problem was that all the guys wanted sex, none of them wanted me.”Suddenly I felt guilty for looking at her tits.“Finally it happened. Six months ago, I went to a party. I was having fun, then I woke up the next day in a strange house with my ass in a gallon of cum. I'd been drugged and raped. I wanted to die.” Tears flowed as she continued. “They'd left polaroids of me getting fucked but nothing to identify them. I gave in and started having sex. I figured it was useless to refuse and the damage was already done, I wasn't a virgin. I ended up at another party where I lost count of the guys I fucked. Then I had a pregnancy scare and confessed to my folks. Mom and Dad saw the danger I was in. They supported me and protected me, even though it was too late. I've been to doctors, the police and psychiatrists. They say I'm clean and lucky. I didn't get pregnant or catch a disease. But there's no way to find who did it either. I had to cut out everyone who had been a part of my life before then. I was even afraid to go out or dress nice. I was afraid of someone seeing me and deciding they wanted me.”She looked at me.“I was so lonely. Then I thought of you. And I remembered how much fun we had, and how much we shared. I realized I hadn't had a best friend since I'd left you behind… And I realized you were my first boyfriend even if we didn't understand what that meant. I saw that I'd lost a really great guy. And I'm sorry for that. It was stupid.”“I'm sorry I didn't try to follow you.” I said. “I realized you were beautiful and figured that you were out of my league…”“Kip, Mom and I had a talk… well, we had a lot of talks, but… Look, do you think my dad is handsome?”“Uh, no.”“But my Mom is hot, right?”“Yeah!” I scoffed.“So I asked her why she picked him when she probably could have picked anyone. She said it was because he first was her best friend. They were friends first, lovers second. She said that's why they're happy.”“Oh.”“Kip? Can we go back? Can we be best friends again?”“Sure! Of course!”“And would you like to go out… sometime?”“Absolutely!”“Would you be my boyfriend?”I was touched. I realized how much I still cared for her and how much I'd missed her. I had been forced to push my feelings down and bury them.“I'd like that. I'd like that a lot.” I answered and a smile spread across my face.Daphne smiled and hugged me tightly. We stood there hugging as she sniffled for a while. My emotions were going everywhere. I was overjoyed to have my friend back, saddened that she had suffered, and… aroused by the feeling of her tits pressing tight against me, her arms around my neck, the warmth of her body… and my cock stiffened. In fact this had to be the fastest I went from flaccid to erect ever. I was mortified because there was no way Daphne could miss it.“Oh wow!” she said and rubbed her pelvis against my bulge. She giggled and squeezed me tighter. “God, Kip, that feels huge!”Releasing me she stepped back. I saw she was biting her lower lip as she stared at the bulge in my jeans. I knew that was a habit of hers when she was trying to make a decision. I tried to shift my hard on around a bit to get comfortable. Suddenly Daphne lunged forward and grabbed my belt. She opened my pants in a flash and yanked them down along with my briefs. My cock stood out and she grabbed it. Grinning she knelt in front of me and stroked it.It felt incredible. I'd jacked off before and this was so much better that I knew immediately that I wouldn't last. Daphne kissed it and sucked on it then when I cried out she swallowed all my cum. She finally released me and smiled.“Holy cow! That was amazing…” I mumbled.Daphne stood and kissed me. I felt her tongue slip into my mouth and her hands gripped my head tightly. My hands found her waist and slid up under her top without conscious thought. I felt her tits and she moaned.Daphne stepped back. She pulled off her top. Her tits were the most amazing tits I've ever seen. Even after all these years. They were round, full and firm, (I found out later she wore a 34D) with big pink areola and stubby darker nipples. She then shrugged off her tight shorts and panties. She flopped onto the display bed and held her arms out.I stripped quickly and joined her. She realized I was fumbling and guided my cock into her. Oh my god, the feeling of my first, warm, wet pussy was amazing. I had to stroke a few times to get all the way in, but she was full of encouragement. She finally had me going all out as she begged me for more.“Fuck me Kip! Fuck me! Yes!”Cliche as it may sound we came almost together. I was groaning and gasping as she practically screamed.But we didn't stop. We paused thrusting and grinding but I stayed inside of her and fairly stiff. We kissed over and over. I couldn't get enough of her. She wrapped her legs around my hips and squeezed. We continued to fuck and absolutely destroyed the display's bedding.My god, but she was loud! It drove me to pound her over and over. I came several times but we only slowed briefly. Each time she kissed, tongued and begged me for more. And my eager young cock responded quickly. This still turns me on, I am still thrilled by a loud lover.We fucked until I was spent, absolutely spent. I lay there panting, covered in sweat and Daphne rolled on top of me, we kissed and stared into each other's eyes. I caressed her back and she rubbed her wet crotch against me.“God, Kip! That was fantastic! Better than I dreamed!”“You dreamed?” I asked.“Well, yeah.” she said sitting up. “Last night in fact.”Daphne lay down on the bed and began caressing her breasts and playing with her nipples.“I gave into sex and enjoyed it, or rather, I enjoyed being wanted. I enjoyed getting fucked some of the time and endured it the rest of the time. But I seldom came. My orgasms were rare and sometimes disappointingly shallow and brief. Then I was celebate for so long, I was afraid to masturbate… afraid it would tempt me to go out and start look for sex. Finally, after talking to my Mom and thinking about you and what we had, I fell asleep last night and dreamed of you. I dreamed of seducing you and I woke up masturbating and about to cum.”“Did you?” I asked, grinning “Did you make yourself cum?”“Y-Yes…” she whispered.“Show me.” I whispered back. “Show me how you did it.”Daphne slid her right hand down her body to her moung and slowly spread her legs. Her hand massaged her pussy in circles as her left continued to squeeze her breast. She kept her eyes closed and slid two fingers into her pussy. I shifted to get a better view. She started stroking slowly and there was so much fluid, hers and mine, oozing out. I found it an unexpected turn on. My cock was stiff and I wanted to fuck her so badly but the sight mesmerized me. Soon she was stroking faster and faster. After a bit her hips began to rock. I glanced up and saw she was looking at me. She groaned and bit her lip as she came, her body going rigid for a moment.“I-I'mmm ccccuuuummmmmiinnnggg……” she moaned.I couldn't stand it. I mounted her and slid my cock into her as quickly as I could. Her pussy was so wet that I slid in all the way in one thrust. Her pussy was quivering and her eyes were wide as she gasped. She lifted her hands to my face and I found her wet finger in my mouth. I sucked them as I began to stroke in and out. Her titties bounced and I fucked harder and faster.“Ohhh gaawwwddd!” she moaned. “Ohhhhh yesssss! I'mmmm still ccuuummmminnnggggg…. Ohh god, oh god, oh god!” Daphne's eyes rolled back.Suddenly I exploded and came, pumping a huge load into Daphne's pussy. Daphne groaned and relaxed. I pulled out and she rolled onto her side and curled into a ball. Her pussy was visible as she pulled her knees up to her chest. I watched as my cum seeped from between those beautiful lips and flowed down to pool beneath her ass.I sat back and tried to control my breathing. This was insane! Fucking the boss's daughter, on the job, on a display bed! I looked around nervously. We were still alone. I found myself grinning both from the exhilaration of sex and the absurdity of it all.Daphne actually dozed off for a few minutes and I watched her as she slowly relaxed and rolled away from the puddle of wetness. She lay there and I realized just how beautiful she was. Not just sexy. She was that. But sweet and pretty and… I fell in love. She woke when I edged closer and caressed her hip and back. She smiled and we kissed.“Come on,” I said, “We've got a mess to clean up.”She looked at the bed and realized what we had done. We had not only ruined the bedding, but the wetness had seeped down into the mattress itself.After getting dressed, we gathered the soiled bedding and stuffed it into a garbage bag. She went to the back and retrieved another set and we remade the bed. She hung around while I finished buffing the floors, dancing to the music on the sound system. I hurried through the motions, but really the floors were in pretty good shape already. After putting my stuff away, I threw the bag of soiled bedding into the dumpster. I went back inside and found Daphne standing by the door to the offices. She seemed less cheerful and a little distant.“What's up?” I asked as I slid my arms around her.There were tears in her eyes as she looked at me. “Kip? Do… Do you want me? Really want me? Or am I just going to be your girlfriend for sex?”I was taken aback.“Of course I want you!”“But I was a slut. I've screwed a lot of guys…”“And you came to me.” I said. “And we didn't have to fuck but we did and it meant the world to me. Daphne, you were my first. Do you get it? I came to work a virgin and you gave yourself to me. I don't care how many guys you fucked before. You and I fucked and it was great! We came like, a jillion times and I want to do it again and again and again! And not just because you're sexy, but because you wanted me. And I want to be wanted, needed.”“I need you too Kip!” she said as the tears flowed freely. This sex with you was better than anything I've ever done… because it was you!“We kissed and I held her as she cried. Finally we locked up and I followed as she drove home.She developed a habit of popping in on me every night. Sometimes we fucked, sometimes we didn't. We were careful not to ruin any more displays. She later introduced me to oral sex, both giving and receiving. I loved eating her out, and she could get me off easily and swallow it all leaving nothing to clean up. Sometimes she would strip and dress in lingerie from the racks and dance for me.We dated and spent a lot of time together. I was surprised when her dad told me he was hiring another company to do the floors. But then he offered me a job as an Assistant Manager. When I accepted and we shook hands he grinned and said,“Good, can't have my son-in-law buffing floors all his life.”“Excuse me?”“I see the way you two are. You're in love. I'm in favor of it. The two of you belong together, you're good for each other. Just take your time and get it right, don't rush.”We did. And as I type this memory I know she is lying naked in our bed, waiting for me to come to her. So… goodnight.By S3lwyncd0g, for Literotica
Virgin guy gets the girl at last.Based on a post by S3lwyncd0g. Listen to the ►Podcast at Steamy Stories.I had no idea how much my life was about to change when I went to work that night in April 1980. I was nineteen, had no girlfriend, hell, never even been kissed. I had a job buffing floors in a department store. All the cleaning and restocking was done in the evening and right after closing. Then, after everyone was gone, I came in to do the floors. This way, no one was in my way or tracking on the floors. I would wax a different area each night and simply mop and buff all others as needed. I was going to Junior College and the store's general manager was my Dad's best friend and my godfather. Looking back, I was so lucky that this happened before camera surveillance systems were widespread and affordable.I stuck a tape in the cassette player in the office and it played over the store's sound system, Kool and the Gang was my music tonight. I turned around and nearly shit my pants. Daphne, the Boss's daughter, was right behind me, I yelped.“Sorry, Kip. Didn't mean to scare you.” she said.“T-That's okay,” I replied trying to calm down, “I didn't know anyone was here.”She pointed to her Dad's office, “Yeah, I was crashed on his sofa.”I noticed she had a sad demeanor and her hair was all mussed up.“I just didn't feel like going home and needed someplace to sit and think,” she said and turning, walked out of the office and onto the store floor.The offices were on the second floor which also contained the Home Decor and Furnishings as well as Clothing departments. I followed her.Daphne was almost like a cousin. We'd grown up together, she was a year older than me and had been a tomboy until puberty hit her. And boy, did it hit her hard. She went from cute to hot in no time. Of course boys noticed and flocked around her. I got left behind. Now at twenty she stood 5'9", was stacked with big tits and the naturally blonde hair from her Mother's Swedish family line. She was wearing a baggy blue crop-top and a pair of red and white striped tight short shorts. (ah the fashion of the 80's) Her long legs looked amazing. Naturally I followed her.“You okay?” I asked when I caught up with her.“Hmm? Oh yeah… I guess…” she mumbled. Then she stopped and leaned on the railing around the escalator. I stood there in silence.God, her ass looked awesome! I started to step away when she leaned forward on her elbows. Her crop top hung open and I could see her tits hanging free. They looked huge. Of course I wasn't experienced and had only seen tits in flashes and glimpses and Playboy. So this turned me on. I stood and stared for a moment then moved slightly to get a better view.“Kip? You know those silly episodes of shows and in movies where people swap bodies?”“Yeah.”“It's stupid, I know, doesn't happen, can't happen… but, damn, I wish I could do it right now.”“What do you mean?” I asked.Daphne turned and walked towards the Furnishings displays. She paused in a “Bedroom display” and stood in front of a dresser. It was wide and low with an enormous mirror.“I'm tired of this.” she said. “I was happier when we were kids and could play and swim and have fun together.” She looked at my reflection and continued, “You were my best friend and confidant. We had so much fun together. Remember when we went skinny dipping?” she smiled.We'd been only eight and nine at the time and didn't know anything about sex or attraction, hell we were so innocent, we weren't even curious. We simply got hot and swam, then dressed and went on playing. I'd actually forgotten about it.“Then suddenly I emerge from my cocoon a beautiful butterfly and everything changes.” She was quiet for a moment, just staring at her reflection. “I wish it hadn't.”I stepped closer, surprised to hear her confession. Taking a deep breath she continued.“Suddenly everyone wanted to be close to me, no… not just close. Everyone wanted to possess me, own me… use me. Even my Dad wanted to use me for advertising. Those photos they took? Yeah, those were the tame ones the company approved. Some were deemed unacceptable. Mom and Dad didn't care what the photographer asked me to do or wear or how to pose. They insisted that he was the professional and knew best. I felt cheap. And all the guys I dated? Every single one of them only wanted sex. That's why I dated so many guys. I'd date a guy till he pressed for sex, then drop him. Problem was that all the guys wanted sex, none of them wanted me.”Suddenly I felt guilty for looking at her tits.“Finally it happened. Six months ago, I went to a party. I was having fun, then I woke up the next day in a strange house with my ass in a gallon of cum. I'd been drugged and raped. I wanted to die.” Tears flowed as she continued. “They'd left polaroids of me getting fucked but nothing to identify them. I gave in and started having sex. I figured it was useless to refuse and the damage was already done, I wasn't a virgin. I ended up at another party where I lost count of the guys I fucked. Then I had a pregnancy scare and confessed to my folks. Mom and Dad saw the danger I was in. They supported me and protected me, even though it was too late. I've been to doctors, the police and psychiatrists. They say I'm clean and lucky. I didn't get pregnant or catch a disease. But there's no way to find who did it either. I had to cut out everyone who had been a part of my life before then. I was even afraid to go out or dress nice. I was afraid of someone seeing me and deciding they wanted me.”She looked at me.“I was so lonely. Then I thought of you. And I remembered how much fun we had, and how much we shared. I realized I hadn't had a best friend since I'd left you behind… And I realized you were my first boyfriend even if we didn't understand what that meant. I saw that I'd lost a really great guy. And I'm sorry for that. It was stupid.”“I'm sorry I didn't try to follow you.” I said. “I realized you were beautiful and figured that you were out of my league…”“Kip, Mom and I had a talk… well, we had a lot of talks, but… Look, do you think my dad is handsome?”“Uh, no.”“But my Mom is hot, right?”“Yeah!” I scoffed.“So I asked her why she picked him when she probably could have picked anyone. She said it was because he first was her best friend. They were friends first, lovers second. She said that's why they're happy.”“Oh.”“Kip? Can we go back? Can we be best friends again?”“Sure! Of course!”“And would you like to go out… sometime?”“Absolutely!”“Would you be my boyfriend?”I was touched. I realized how much I still cared for her and how much I'd missed her. I had been forced to push my feelings down and bury them.“I'd like that. I'd like that a lot.” I answered and a smile spread across my face.Daphne smiled and hugged me tightly. We stood there hugging as she sniffled for a while. My emotions were going everywhere. I was overjoyed to have my friend back, saddened that she had suffered, and… aroused by the feeling of her tits pressing tight against me, her arms around my neck, the warmth of her body… and my cock stiffened. In fact this had to be the fastest I went from flaccid to erect ever. I was mortified because there was no way Daphne could miss it.“Oh wow!” she said and rubbed her pelvis against my bulge. She giggled and squeezed me tighter. “God, Kip, that feels huge!”Releasing me she stepped back. I saw she was biting her lower lip as she stared at the bulge in my jeans. I knew that was a habit of hers when she was trying to make a decision. I tried to shift my hard on around a bit to get comfortable. Suddenly Daphne lunged forward and grabbed my belt. She opened my pants in a flash and yanked them down along with my briefs. My cock stood out and she grabbed it. Grinning she knelt in front of me and stroked it.It felt incredible. I'd jacked off before and this was so much better that I knew immediately that I wouldn't last. Daphne kissed it and sucked on it then when I cried out she swallowed all my cum. She finally released me and smiled.“Holy cow! That was amazing…” I mumbled.Daphne stood and kissed me. I felt her tongue slip into my mouth and her hands gripped my head tightly. My hands found her waist and slid up under her top without conscious thought. I felt her tits and she moaned.Daphne stepped back. She pulled off her top. Her tits were the most amazing tits I've ever seen. Even after all these years. They were round, full and firm, (I found out later she wore a 34D) with big pink areola and stubby darker nipples. She then shrugged off her tight shorts and panties. She flopped onto the display bed and held her arms out.I stripped quickly and joined her. She realized I was fumbling and guided my cock into her. Oh my god, the feeling of my first, warm, wet pussy was amazing. I had to stroke a few times to get all the way in, but she was full of encouragement. She finally had me going all out as she begged me for more.“Fuck me Kip! Fuck me! Yes!”Cliche as it may sound we came almost together. I was groaning and gasping as she practically screamed.But we didn't stop. We paused thrusting and grinding but I stayed inside of her and fairly stiff. We kissed over and over. I couldn't get enough of her. She wrapped her legs around my hips and squeezed. We continued to fuck and absolutely destroyed the display's bedding.My god, but she was loud! It drove me to pound her over and over. I came several times but we only slowed briefly. Each time she kissed, tongued and begged me for more. And my eager young cock responded quickly. This still turns me on, I am still thrilled by a loud lover.We fucked until I was spent, absolutely spent. I lay there panting, covered in sweat and Daphne rolled on top of me, we kissed and stared into each other's eyes. I caressed her back and she rubbed her wet crotch against me.“God, Kip! That was fantastic! Better than I dreamed!”“You dreamed?” I asked.“Well, yeah.” she said sitting up. “Last night in fact.”Daphne lay down on the bed and began caressing her breasts and playing with her nipples.“I gave into sex and enjoyed it, or rather, I enjoyed being wanted. I enjoyed getting fucked some of the time and endured it the rest of the time. But I seldom came. My orgasms were rare and sometimes disappointingly shallow and brief. Then I was celebate for so long, I was afraid to masturbate… afraid it would tempt me to go out and start look for sex. Finally, after talking to my Mom and thinking about you and what we had, I fell asleep last night and dreamed of you. I dreamed of seducing you and I woke up masturbating and about to cum.”“Did you?” I asked, grinning “Did you make yourself cum?”“Y-Yes…” she whispered.“Show me.” I whispered back. “Show me how you did it.”Daphne slid her right hand down her body to her moung and slowly spread her legs. Her hand massaged her pussy in circles as her left continued to squeeze her breast. She kept her eyes closed and slid two fingers into her pussy. I shifted to get a better view. She started stroking slowly and there was so much fluid, hers and mine, oozing out. I found it an unexpected turn on. My cock was stiff and I wanted to fuck her so badly but the sight mesmerized me. Soon she was stroking faster and faster. After a bit her hips began to rock. I glanced up and saw she was looking at me. She groaned and bit her lip as she came, her body going rigid for a moment.“I-I'mmm ccccuuuummmmmiinnnggg……” she moaned.I couldn't stand it. I mounted her and slid my cock into her as quickly as I could. Her pussy was so wet that I slid in all the way in one thrust. Her pussy was quivering and her eyes were wide as she gasped. She lifted her hands to my face and I found her wet finger in my mouth. I sucked them as I began to stroke in and out. Her titties bounced and I fucked harder and faster.“Ohhh gaawwwddd!” she moaned. “Ohhhhh yesssss! I'mmmm still ccuuummmminnnggggg…. Ohh god, oh god, oh god!” Daphne's eyes rolled back.Suddenly I exploded and came, pumping a huge load into Daphne's pussy. Daphne groaned and relaxed. I pulled out and she rolled onto her side and curled into a ball. Her pussy was visible as she pulled her knees up to her chest. I watched as my cum seeped from between those beautiful lips and flowed down to pool beneath her ass.I sat back and tried to control my breathing. This was insane! Fucking the boss's daughter, on the job, on a display bed! I looked around nervously. We were still alone. I found myself grinning both from the exhilaration of sex and the absurdity of it all.Daphne actually dozed off for a few minutes and I watched her as she slowly relaxed and rolled away from the puddle of wetness. She lay there and I realized just how beautiful she was. Not just sexy. She was that. But sweet and pretty and… I fell in love. She woke when I edged closer and caressed her hip and back. She smiled and we kissed.“Come on,” I said, “We've got a mess to clean up.”She looked at the bed and realized what we had done. We had not only ruined the bedding, but the wetness had seeped down into the mattress itself.After getting dressed, we gathered the soiled bedding and stuffed it into a garbage bag. She went to the back and retrieved another set and we remade the bed. She hung around while I finished buffing the floors, dancing to the music on the sound system. I hurried through the motions, but really the floors were in pretty good shape already. After putting my stuff away, I threw the bag of soiled bedding into the dumpster. I went back inside and found Daphne standing by the door to the offices. She seemed less cheerful and a little distant.“What's up?” I asked as I slid my arms around her.There were tears in her eyes as she looked at me. “Kip? Do… Do you want me? Really want me? Or am I just going to be your girlfriend for sex?”I was taken aback.“Of course I want you!”“But I was a slut. I've screwed a lot of guys…”“And you came to me.” I said. “And we didn't have to fuck but we did and it meant the world to me. Daphne, you were my first. Do you get it? I came to work a virgin and you gave yourself to me. I don't care how many guys you fucked before. You and I fucked and it was great! We came like, a jillion times and I want to do it again and again and again! And not just because you're sexy, but because you wanted me. And I want to be wanted, needed.”“I need you too Kip!” she said as the tears flowed freely. This sex with you was better than anything I've ever done… because it was you!“We kissed and I held her as she cried. Finally we locked up and I followed as she drove home.She developed a habit of popping in on me every night. Sometimes we fucked, sometimes we didn't. We were careful not to ruin any more displays. She later introduced me to oral sex, both giving and receiving. I loved eating her out, and she could get me off easily and swallow it all leaving nothing to clean up. Sometimes she would strip and dress in lingerie from the racks and dance for me.We dated and spent a lot of time together. I was surprised when her dad told me he was hiring another company to do the floors. But then he offered me a job as an Assistant Manager. When I accepted and we shook hands he grinned and said,“Good, can't have my son-in-law buffing floors all his life.”“Excuse me?”“I see the way you two are. You're in love. I'm in favor of it. The two of you belong together, you're good for each other. Just take your time and get it right, don't rush.”We did. And as I type this memory I know she is lying naked in our bed, waiting for me to come to her. So… goodnight.By S3lwyncd0g, for Literotica
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Asians and Asian Americans are numerous within the classical music industry, but their identities are often politicized and racialized in this Eurocentric musical genre. For the third episode of Obbligato on APEX Express, Isabel Li discusses this intersection with Mari Yoshihara, Professor of American Studies at the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa and Professor at the Center for Global Education at the University of Tokyo, Japan; author of many books, including Musicians from a Different Shore: Asians and Asian Americans in Classical Music (2007) and Dearest Lenny: Letters from Japan and the Making of the World Maestro (2019). Tonight's episode features music by Chinese American composer Zhou Tian. To learn more about Mari and her work, please visit her website: https://www.mariyoshihara.com/index.html Musicians from a Different Shore: https://tupress.temple.edu/books/musicians-from-a-different-shore-2 Dearest Lenny: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/dearest-lenny-9780190465780?cc=jp&lang=en& Transcript Opening: [00:00:00] Apex Express Asian Pacific expression. Community and cultural coverage, music and calendar, new visions and voices, coming to you with an Asian Pacific Islander point of view. It's time to get on board the Apex Express. 00:00:53 Isabel Li Good evening. You're listening to KPFA 94.1 FM. My name is Isabel Li and I'm delighted to be hosting a new edition of Obbligato on Apex Express, which is a semimonthly segment specifically about AAPI identities in classical music. Tonight's guest is someone I have been incredibly excited to speak to because her writings have actually very much informed my studies and research. In fact, her books are exactly about the subject matter of Obbligato. I am honored to be speaking to Mario Yoshihara, Professor of American Studies at the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa and Professor at the Center for Global Education at the University of Tokyo, Japan; author of many books, including Musicians from a Different Shore: Asians and Asian Americans in Classical Music, published in 2007, and Dearest Lenny: Letters from Japan and the Making of the World Maestro, which was published in 2019. Welcome to Obbligato on Apex Express. Mari, how are you doing? 00:01:55 Mari Yoshihara I'm doing fine. Thank you for having me. 00:01:58 Isabel Li Of course, my first question for you is how do you identify and what communities are you a part of? 00:02:06 Mari Yoshihara Oh well, that's actually a little bit complicated I am. I am a Japanese woman who have spent a little bit over well, maybe not more than a little more than half of my life in the United States. Born in New York but raised in Tokyo, educated mostly in Japan, but also earned my graduate degrees in the United States and most of my academic career has been in Hawaii, so I've been in American academia for almost 30 years now, but I also have a dual appointment with the University of Tokyo in Japan. So I split my time between Japan and Hawaii now. 00:02:54 Isabel Li Can you tell us a little bit about your work and your books? I had a chance to read Musicians from a Different Shore, but how would you summarize your research to someone who might not have read your book? 00:03:04 Mari Yoshihara So I am a scholar of American studies, which is an interdisciplinary field that has anything to do with America broadly defined. And within that, my area of expertise is about, well, I would say I'm a scholar of US cultural history. US Asian relations, mostly US, East Asian relations, especially in the cultural dimension, cultural studies, gender studies, Asian American studies, etc. And so I have written a number of books, both in English and Japanese, but the one that you're referring to, Musicians from a Different Shore, is a book that I did research for more than 20 years ago and was published in 2007. It's a study of Asians and Asian Americans and classical music. So it was partly historical in that I examined the ways. which Western music, so-called western classical music, was introduced to East Asia and how also East Asians became have become so successful and prominent in this field that is generally considered a white European elite art form, so it was partly historical, but then the rest of the book was based on my ethnographic field work and interviews among Asians and Asian Americans in classical music looking at how well who these people are in the first place and then also how musicians, Asian and Asian musicians themselves, understand the relationship between their racial and cultural identity on the one hand, and their practice of Western classical music on the other, so that was my study. And then I also wrote another book called Dearest Lenny. It's about—the subtitle is Letters from Japan and the Making of the World Maestro. It's about Leonard Bernstein's relationship with two very special individuals in Japan. And through that story, I interweave an account of various things. For one thing, how Leonard Bernstein became a world maestro and also the relationship between politics and arts, gender, sexuality, art and commerce, etcetera, etcetera. So that was my most recent book published in English and then, I'm sure we'll talk more about this, but I'm currently doing a follow up research on the on Musicians from a Different Shore, taking into account all the changes that have been taking place in the classical music industry in the United States in the past, I would say five years or so especially so that's my that's the abbreviated version of my research. 00:05:55 Isabel Li That's really cool, and I also want to ask you about these changes, if you can talk a little bit about the classical music world. I feel like classical music is one of those genres that seems to be unchanging on the outside. But as a scholar of classical music, what types of changes have you observed that has influenced how AAPI identities play into this world? 00:06:18 Mari Yoshihara Yeah, I think especially in the last, I would say, yeah, 5 to 10 years, especially in the last five years, classical music industry in the United, I mean I say specifically in the United States because I don't see the similar kind of changes taking place in Japan where I'm currently located. And I also don't really know the situation in Europe. But the field of classical music in the US is changing. I think most significantly because of movements like the Black Lives Matter movement and also with the onset of COVID and the rise of anti Asian hate, there's been a lot more heightened awareness about how issues of race and also class shapes classical music. So there's a lot more vibrant conversations and debates about these topics in the industry and also in terms of AAPI community, are the biggest changes, the biggest change I'm seeing is that Asian and Asian American musicians themselves are being a lot more vocal and active in issues of race and racism in the field and there I've encountered many Asian and Asian American musicians who have, for instance, you know organized events or organizations, or taken up various forms of advocacy and activism on these issues. So compared to, say, 20 years ago, 20, 25 years ago, when I was doing the original research, I see a lot more kind of, you know, explicit awareness and awareness and articulation of these issues by Asian and Asian American musicians themselves. 00:08:12 Isabel Li That's really interesting. Just because classical music is also one of those genres, that doesn't seem like a genre that most people explicitly associate with politics or activism. What are some examples of these, like activist movements that you've observed within the Asian American community in classical music? 00:08:32 Mari Yoshihara So for instance, some Asian and Asian American musicians are are becoming a lot more vocal about the actual like racism or sexism that they have themselves experienced, or that they witness in the industry, like in in schools, conservatories, orchestras, opera companies, etc. Either through the media or you know their own writing, and also like speaking up within the organizations that they work in. So that's one. There are other kinds of advocacy and activism in that they demand more diverse repertoire, and I think the repertoire is in terms of the industry industry changes. That's the area that's changing the most, the the kind of repertoire that many orchestras for instance perform have become a lot more– I mean overall it's still very white, European centered– but in terms of the actual numbers of pieces that are performed, works by living, composers and composers of color, women composers, etcetera. That is significantly increased in the last 10 years and that is, you know significantly to do with the advocacy and activism on the part of, you know, artists of color. So yeah, so things like that and then, you know, many Asian, Asian American artists are doing their own programming, for instance, like event organizing programming. So yeah, those are the areas that I see changes. I see things happening that I didn't see 25 years ago. 00:10:20 Isabel Li Definitely. I remember reading your book, and your book has been published since 2007, so a lot of changes have happened since then. But in general, when you did your research at first, what how would you summarize the dynamic of Asian identities, Asian American identities in this very Eurocentric field, it's a juxtaposition of two different cultures and identities that a lot of people also observe in orchestras. There's a large population of Asian and Asian American musicians, conductors just in general. It's a very large population, but yet this identity is still not quite represented in media. It's not quite seen, so talk to us a bit about this juxtaposition and how you observe these dynamics in your research. 00:11:10 Mari Yoshihara Yeah. So. The thing is, Asians and Asian Americans are indeed numerically overrepresented in classical music, in the sense that compared to the general public, the the the proportion of Asians and Asian Americans in the overall US population, the number of Asian and Asian Americans in classical music indexed by things like the student body at major conservatories or membership roster of US orchestras, etcetera, Asians and Asian Americans percentage is higher than the general population, right. So in terms of the numbers, Asians and Asian Americans are, quote unquote overrepresented. But those numbers are not reflected in the actual like voice, power and influence that they have in the industry. So that was my finding back 2025 years ago and I think that's still true today. Also, the thing about Asian, Asian American musicians is that it's a racialized category. They are seeing and treated as Asian. It's this racial category. But their identities and experiences as Asians is not at all uniform, right? Some of these Asian musicians are Asian Americans, like multi generational Asian Americans whose parents or grandparents or great grandparents etcetera have come to the United States and they themselves are U.S. citizens. So that's one group. Many Asian musicians working in the United States are people who were born and raised in Asia, places like China or South Korea, Japan, etcetera, and came to the United States as international students to study music, often at the college level, college conservatory level, so obviously these people have very different sense of identity and experience as Asians compared to say, you know 3rd, 4th generation Chinese Americans or 1.5 Korean Americans. There are other people who live in the United States because they were very talented, very young musicians, and the whole whole family immigrated to the United States specifically for their music education. So Midori, the famous violinist, Midori is a case, example of this, but there are also a number of other, especially among Koreans and Chinese. There are families, the whole family immigrated to the United States when the child was a very promising musician at age 7 or something. So that's one group. They too have a different sense of identity and experience of Asians than the two former groups that I that I talked about. There are other people who also came to the United States because not because of the music education, but because of their parents' profession, for instance. And they have transnational kind of family ties and you know, they move, they go back and forth between US and Asia, for instance. And then there are also mixed roots families where one parent is Asian and the other is non Asian. And then there are also Asians who were born and raised in Europe for other parts of the globe and then came to the United States, for either personal or professional reasons. So in other words, they're all Asians in terms of their racial identity. But what that means is really quite diverse and their experience as Asian and Asian American musicians is also quite diverse. So it's not as if you know, just because they're Asian, they share some kind of experience and identities around which they coalesce. So that's, you know, that was true 20, 25 years ago. And I think that's still true today. More and more Asian musicians are coming to the United States to study, study or work in classical music, but especially because of this, like new influence, this Asian category is becoming even more diverse. However, because of the COVID, you know the rise of Anti Asian hate during the COVID pandemic, I think that heightened the awareness of, you know, these different kinds of Asians, the heightened awareness that they are Asians. First and foremost, you know, in, in that in the sense of being racialized in the United States. So I have talked with a number of musicians, Asians and Asian American musicians, who did not really, hadn't thought about their Asianness before. It wasn't at the forefront of their identity before, but during this rise of anti Asian hate it they became they basically became more politicized. You know, they had quite a politicized language and awareness to think about race and racism especially against Asians and Asian Americans. 00:16:31 Isabel Li Yeah, that's a great point. It is a such a diverse group and there are so many different identities, even within just the Asian American framework AAPI, as a label is very, very diverse. And that applies to classical music as well. But I think there's also this social perception of Asian and Asian Americans as a group that also relates to the model minority stereotype that's historically been present and, for example, a lot of people might think of, like a young Asian or Asian American musician as being like a prodigy because they are technically skilled at their instrument, where like these social perceptions that exist both in media and in the culture around us, why do you think that is? 00:17:15 Mari Yoshihara Well, that as you said, there is a model minority myth and there is a stereotype of Asians and Asian Americans as being very studious and diligent, but also quiet, right? I mean, they just quietly follow, like, obedient, obediently follow the instructions and that translates in the field of music as the stereotype that Asian musicians are technically very proficient but artistically non expressive. I mean, that's a very common stereotype that yeah, you know, practically any Asian, Asian Americans in classical music have been subjected to, you know, quite regularly and frequently. And I think that, yeah, that just comes with the overall kind of racial stereotype of Asians and Asians and Asian Americans in American society at large. And also the fact that, you know, classical music, especially in terms of instrumental performance, it is an area that is, it's something that is, indeed, technically very demanding, right? You need many, many years of disciplined training and a lot of practice. And there is a myth of merit– well, no, not entirely a myth– but there is this this very, you know, dearly held faith in meritocracy in classical music. The idea that if you have the chops you will be rewarded, you will be recognized and you know, no matter what kind of great artistic idea you might have, if you can't play the notes, you can't play the notes. That kind of ethos of meritocracy is particularly strong in classical music because of the technical demands of the genre, and that and that kind of, you know, goes hand in hand with the model minority methods for Asian Americans. 00:19:20 Isabel Li Definitely. That's really interesting and another part of your book that was quite fascinating to me when I first read it was chapter 3. You talked about the intersection of gender as well as, you know, racial identity in classical music. The chapter is called Playing Gender and you talk about, I think at large don't necessarily associate classical music with a discipline that provides a stable job. It is an art form and there is kind of an uphill battle for artists in a sense like a starving artist myth there. We're not even a myth. Like if there's a starving artist image, whereas the image of a very successful classical musician there's this duality that you also mentioned in one of your other chapters about class. So what really interested me in for this chapter was that there was this intersection of power in classical music of who would go down the path that might not be traditionally as successful. How do you think gender dynamics play into this and how do you think they might have shifted within the last two decades or so? 00:20:20 Mari Yoshihara Huh. I'm not sure if it has shifted all that much in the last two decades, but as you said, because music I mean, not just classical music, but music. Like, you know, arts in general is a field that is very like economically insecure in terms of career, right? But at the same time. Classical music is associated with kind of, you know, bourgeois identity and just kind of overall cultivation and so, many Asian, Asian American parents are very eager to send their kids to, say, piano lessons, violin lessons, cello lessons, etcetera. To, you know, give them a well-rounded education and also because it is considered useful tool, you know, when you're going to college and stuff like, you know being, you know, being able to show that you're very talented violinist, for instance, is believed to help your college application. So there's this, you know, both stereotype and reality that like, you know, places like Julliard Pre-College, very competitive, you know, school, like music education program for kids is filled with Asian, Asian American, you know, students and their parents who are waiting, waiting for them to come out of school. So there's that. But how gender plays into this is that while both men and women are do study music at a young age. When it comes to, you know, choosing say, college, like what they would, what they would pursue at the college level, far fewer male students tend to choose music as their college major or go to conservatory and pursue it as a as a career. But I think it's both their own choice. And also especially for Asian and Asian Americans, like parental pressure to not pursue music professionally because of, you know, financial insecurity. So there's that, and also how that plays into the actual experiences of Asian, Asian Americans musicians who do study music is that I have heard from a number of female Asian musicians that either their peers or especially their teachers are doubtful that they are actually serious about music. There is a stereotype that, you know, say for instance, Japanese or Korean female students at Juilliard School, Manhattan School or whatever, they are there because they, you know, they want to study music and then find a good husband and marry, you know, a lawyer or doctor or engineer or something. [laughs] And and not that that doesn't happen. But that's a stereotype of, you know, that's a racialized and gender stereotype that comes from these, you know, gender and class and racialized dynamics. 00:23:35 Isabel Li And just for clarification, is the classical music world at large still a male dominated field? 00:23:41 Mari Yoshihara Yes. Oh yes. Definitely. I mean, it depends on the segment of you know, I mean classical music is itself quite diverse. So if you look at, for instance, the string section, especially the violin section of the New York Philharmonic for instance, you will find that like, I think the majority of those violin players are Asian women, perhaps. But if you look at say for instance, the Faculty of Conservatories or music directors and major orchestras and said, I mean still very male dominated. 00:24:23 Isabel Li Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I like how your book also has so many different layers for each chapter. So Chapter 3 was about the gender intersection with this, with this identity, and Chapter 4, was it Chapter 4, I believe it was about class, Class Notes, and you've already mentioned a little bit about how class plays into the perception of music, how class influences gender even. But there's a statement in there that you said that, “it's misleading to characterize Asian musicians as just coming from the upper middle class.” And it makes sense that people would think of musicians coming from this economic bracket, because classical music is an in and of itself a very kind of expensive undertaking. You need so many lessons, so many instruments. But tell us why this statement would be misleading. 00:25:15 Mari Yoshihara Because I mean, first of all, most of the overwhelmed, I would say overwhelming majority of the Asian, Asian American musicians that I interviewed come from middle class backgrounds, many of them from so-called like professional executive class backgrounds in, meaning that their parents hold these professional executive positions, right. And that's why they were able to afford advanced musical studies from a fairly young age. They need, you know, sustained and disciplined and often costly, you know, lessons, you know, competitions, etcetera, auditions, travel, etcetera. So that's for sure, yeah. At the same time, there are also Asian musicians who come from less privileged backgrounds, you know, immigrant families who have, because quite a few. I mean overall Asian American population, many immigrants experience downward social mobility upon immigrating to the United States because of, you know, oftentimes linguistic barriers or you know, or plain old racism. And so you're not Asian families that immigrate to the United States, like, for instance, if the parents have professional positions back in South Korea, oftentimes they become, you know, for instance, you know, small business owners and they experience downward social mobility. I mean, that's a very common scenario. Yeah, so now all Asian, Asian American musicians grow up in a privileged environment. 00:27:06 Isabel Li Definitely a great point. Now before we move on to some discussions about Mari's research. First of all, thank you for tuning in to Obbligato on APEX Express, we'll be taking a short music break and as mentioned earlier, a great way to increase diversity within classical music is to uplift works by living composers. If you're listening to my first. 00:27:26 Isabel Li Episode 2 months ago, you'll know that I featured music by Chinese American composer Zhou Tian. I'm happy to say that coming up next is one of Zhou's compositions inspired by a trip to Italy. This is a piece called Hidden Grace performed by the Formosa Trio. 27:45 – COMP MUSIC – Hidden Grace 00:35:34 Isabel Li That was a piece called Hidden Grace, composed by Zhou Tian for a fascinating instrumentation of flute, Viola and heart coming up for our second piece. In this interview, break another movement by Zhou Tian, the third movement of his double concerto for violin and Viola, called Rendezvous. 35:58 – COMP MUSIC – Double Concerto for Violin and Viola, III. Rendezvous 00:41:09 Isabel Li Noah Bendix-Balgley on violin, Shanshan Yao on viola, and the Hangzhou Philharmonic, playing the third and final movement of Zhou Tian's Double Concerto for violin and viola. So back to the conversation with Professor Mari Yoshihara. 00:41:25 Isabel Li As you also mentioned before, you're working on an updated version of Musicians from a Different Shore. Can you talk–I don't know how much you can talk about your, like upcoming projects, but are you using similar research methods to what you've done before using ethnographic field work? You've mentioned the new changing dynamics of classical music in the United States with new waves of activism and awareness. What are some new topics of your chapters that you might focus on? So for your 2007 publication, you talked about your gender and class and how these intersect with identity. Are there any new things that you're drawing upon here? 00:42:02 Mari Yoshihara Yeah. So I'm using basically the same research method. I'm interviewing actually some of the same people that appeared in Musicians from a Different Shore. Some people kept in touch with over the years, I've gone back to them and interviewed them to see the trajectories of their careers since the first time I interviewed them. But then I've also interviewed a bunch of other, you know, new musicians that I'm speaking with for the first time. So it's essentially an interview and ethnographic fieldwork-based research. I told you earlier about I think one of the biggest changes is, as I said before, the activism and advocacy on the part of Asian, Asian American musicians themselves. So I have one chapter about that. Like, what? How? What kinds of advocacy and activism they're engaged in. Another big change that I'm seeing is that compared to 20 years ago, there are a lot more Asian musicians in the field of opera. 00:43:01 Isabel Li Ohh yeah. 00:43:02 Mari Yoshihara Uh. Both as singers. Yeah, many of them singers, but also in other, you know, like for instance opera, you know, pianist for opera or be opera directors, et cetera. There are many more Asians in this particular field than what I saw 20 years ago. And I talked about this a little bit in my first book, but opera is a very particular kind of field within classical music. How race plays into opera is very different from other areas of classical music because it's a theatrical art form. It's visually oriented, you know art form. And because singers have to be cast in order to, you know, sing on stage. So the racial politics in opera, you know, unfolds very differently from, say, for pianists or cellists or conductors or or composers. So I now have a whole chapter about opera, especially Madame Butterfly, that this very fraught work, you know, opera that many Asian and Asian Americans have love hate relationships. A lot of pigeon-holing that happens in that through that opera. But also, production of new opera by Asian and Asian American artists, composers, directors, singers, etcetera. So I have a whole chapter about that. And then I also will have another chapter about, you know, what it means to, you know, sit at the table, basically. Like stand on the podium and sit at the table, stand on the podium. Not only, I mean I will, I will have a whole discussion about Asian and Asian Americans conductors, but not only in that literal sense of, you know, standing at the podium, but like being at the table like in other words, not only, Asian and Asian American musicians playing music that are given to them and they are assigned to them that they're hired to play, but also having a real voice in the organizational and institutional dimensions of classical music industry. So the kinds of people, Asians, who are in these positions more executive positions with decision making power what their experiences are like. I'm going to have a chapter about that. So those are some of my ideas. I'm still in the middle of the project, so I can't. I can't see the whole picture, but those are some of my current ideas. 00:45:48 Isabel Li I see. And do you have an idea of when this book will be published or an updated version? 00:45:54 Mari Yoshihara Well [laughs], my goal rather ambitious goal is to have it published in 2027, because that would be 20 years since Musicians from a Different Shore, so that would be ideal if I can make that. 00:46:08 Isabel Li Well, yeah. Nice. That's really exciting, definitely. I will also kind of bridge, I guess my part of the research into this part of the interview, since I'd love to talk to you a little bit more about how classical music in general is portrayed in media. So as I've introduced myself before, I had a back, I have a background in media studies as well as music history and theory. And what was really interesting to me in my senior thesis while I was doing research for that was I coined this term and it could just be loosely associated with the genre of film. But it's the “classical music film.” So think of any narrative fictional film you can think of with a classical musician in there. So it could be like Amadeus, where I think of like Tár. If you watch Tár like a lot of these depictions are quite understandably white and European, but they my senior thesis I've never really seen any depictions of Asian American or Asian classical musicians? I was wondering if you have ever watched a film like that, or could maybe talk a bit about maybe the lack of representation in media, how media plays into how people perceive classical music as a genre as a whole. 00:47:23 Mari Yoshihara That is a very interesting question. I think you know, because of the stereotype of Asian and Asian American model minority and model minority stereotype often is associated with, you know, violin or piano-playing Asian American kids, I think. Asian, Asian American characters who are, you know, these kind of musical classical music geniuses appear here and there. But the ones that center on such a character as the main, you know, like the protagonist, come to think of it, I'm not sure if I've seen. I mean, I've seen several Korean dramas, you know, character, but those are Korean dramas, not Asian American, so more American works with Asian classical musicians… 00:48:21 Isabel Li And I think also classical music as a genre is. It's interesting because classical music is also kind of underrepresented. It's not quite in the mainstream. And then one of my final questions for you is I do also want to take a second to acknowledge that your book was actually one of the only books that I could find about this topic. I think there are not that many other books about Asian and Asian Americans in classical music. I think there are a few other books and a few and definitely some papers that talk about this, but what got you interested in this field? And I don't know if you think there's a scarcity of information, but do you think there's relative scarcity of information about this topic? 00:49:01 Mari Yoshihara Yeah. So how I got into it is. So I was a pretty serious student of piano when I was a child. That's like, yeah, that really kind of preoccupied my childhood and adolescence. But then I, for various reasons I ended up not going to a music Conservatory and became an academic. And then once I entered academia and became a scholar of American studies, all I was studying was like race, gender, class. I mean, that's what we do in American studies. And my first book, which was originally my doctoral dissertation, was a cultural history of orientalism and white women. So that was a study of the intersections of race and gender and to some extent class in American history. So once I finished that book, I was thinking about what projects to work on next. And I happened to turn on the TV, and it just so happens that the Vienna Phil New Year's concert, conducted by Seiji Ozawa was playing on the TV and that was sort of my “aha” moment because I had always known or, you know, kind of generally aware that Asians and Asian Americans are, if not necessarily overrepresented, but, you know, they're quite numerous, you know. They're present. Their numerical presence is quite notable in classical music that is often associated with white, you know, European culture, elite culture. So I was kind of curious about that phenomenon, but I hadn't really thought too much about it until I watched Seiji Ozawa were conducting the Vienna Phil. And that's when I thought, well, maybe I can kind of combine my classical music background and my academic training in studies of race, gender, class into this project. So that's when I decided to work on. You know, this topic of Asians and Asian Americans, classical music. I think the reason that there hadn't been at least a book-length study on the topic until my book is that for one thing, classical music is considered to be kind of a very abstract absolute form of music. This ethos that it is kind of transcends– that it is a universal, transcendental kind of genre, that is sort of above things like politics or race or gender. Like it shouldn't matter that these, you know, individual identity, racialized gender identity shouldn't matter vis-à-vis the universalism of classical music. I mean that kind of ethos is very strong in this particular genre of music. I think that has a lot to do with it. And also the study of classical music until rather recently, like musicological study of classical music, really tended to be focused on the study of composers and their works, right? It was the textual that, like it, was an analysis of Beethoven Symphony or, you know, Bach Fugues, etcetera. Yeah. It was really focused on the study of the score, the study of the composer's ideas, as reflected in the score, I mean that was the centerpiece of musicological approach to classical music. And so sort of more sociological anthropological study of the musical practice is a relatively new approach in in the field of musicology. I'm not a musicologist. So that's not how I'm trained. But I think the academic approach to classical music was not very, kind of, open to the kinds of topics that I raised in Musicians from a Different Shore. 00:53:12 Isabel Li Definitely. I see. And my very final fun question for you is can you name three of your favorite classical music pieces for any recommendations you have for the audience who might be listening, who might be wondering what they will listen to next? 00:53:27 Mari Yoshihara Well, OK well. Pieces well, because I wrote a book about Leonard Bernstein. I mean, I ended up– I wrote a book about Leonard Bernstein. Not necessarily because I was an avid fan of Bernstein. It just kind of happened this this project. But nonetheless of while I was doing research and writing the book I did listen to a lot of Bernstein. I and I have come to really love Bernstein music and so. And you know, of course, everybody knows West Side Story, but he actually wrote many other pieces that may not be as well known. Well among the pieces that I like, I like…which one should I choose? I will choose. Ohh well, I'll choose a piece that I learned myself as a pianist. I learned the piece called “Touches” that he wrote. It was a commission piece for the Van Cliburn International Piano Competition, and it's kind of yeah, it's a chorale and variation. So that's very interesting and very interesting and very Bernstein-esque so well. I'll OK, as an American study scholar. I'll, I'll stick with American pieces. I like someone Barber a lot. I like Barber “Excursions,” which I also learned to play. 00:55:04 Isabel Li Yeah. 00:55:09 Isabel Li Tough question. 00:55:11 Mari Yoshihara Umm, Mason Bates piece that I also learned, “White Lies For Lomax.” This one was also, I believe…was it commissioned by the Cliburn? But no, maybe it wasn't. Yeah, I think it was commissioned. But anyway, I played it at the Van Cliburn International– the amateur competition of the Cliburn competition. I did all these. So like Bernstein, Bates, Amy Beach piece I also played. Yeah, I'll stop there. I I wish you had prepped me for that then [laughs]– 00:55:42 Isabel Li Oh my gosh. Great responses. 00:55:46 Mari Yoshihara Hard to think on the spot. 00:55:47 Isabel Li Yeah, I totally get that. Whenever people ask me for my favorite composer, I never have an answer. No, so I totally get it. Well, thank you so much for your time, Mari. And thank you for your wonderful insights. I'll put the link to your books so that people can learn about your works on APEX Express on kpfa.org. So thank you so much for your time, Mari. 00:56:07 Mari Yoshihara Thank you. 00:56:09 Isabel Li As mentioned, please check our website kpfa.org to find out more about Mari Yoshihara, her scholarship, and links to two of her books. We thank all of you listeners out there. Keep resisting, keep organizing, keep creating and sharing your visions with the world. Your voices are important. 00:56:31 Isabel Li APEX Express is produced by Miko Lee, Jalena Keane-Lee, Preeti Mangala Shekar, Anuj Vaidya, Swati Rayasam, and Cheryl Truong. Tonight's show was produced by Isabel Li. Thanks to the team at KPFA for their support. Have a great night. [OUTRO MUSIC] The post APEX Express – 09.04.2025 – Obbligato with Mari Yoshihara appeared first on KPFA.
Join us at Bradgate Park in Leicester with Jules Acton, author, former podcast guest and Trust ambassador, while our regular host Adam enjoys a summer holiday. We meet senior park ranger Matt who gives us a tour as he explains his role in caring for the site and its amazing trees. We've come to the park to see one in particular: a magnificent 830-year-old oak. It's in the running for Tree of the Year 2025. This year's contest celebrates our cultural connections with trees, shining a light on those that are local landmarks, sources of passion, inspiration and creativity. Find out what makes Bradgate Park's oldest oak special and vote for your favourite by 19 September. Don't forget to rate us and subscribe! Learn more about the Woodland Trust at woodlandtrust.org.uk Transcript You are listening to Woodland Walks, a podcast for the Woodland Trust. We protect and plant trees for people to enjoy, to fight climate change and to help wildlife thrive. Jules: Good morning. I'm Jules Acton. I'm an ambassador for the Woodland Trust. I've been in this job for 10 years this month and it's been a fantastic 10 years. I've loved every day because I get to meet some amazing trees and woods and even more than that, I also get to meet lots of amazing people who love trees and woods and who are inspired by them. So Woodland Trust members, other supporters, staff and volunteers. And I think one of the reasons people love trees so much is not just for the fact they provide all the wonderful services they they store our carbon, they provide fresh air, they can help filter pollution. But they're also absolutely entwined in our culture. And that's been taking place over hundreds and thousands of years. So our, particularly our native tree species tree species are absolutely embedded in our culture, and every old tree has a story to tell. Now, the reason we're here today is that we're going to talk about Tree of the Year and the theme of the Tree of the Year is culture and the way trees are embedded in culture. Ten magnificent trees have been chosen by a panel of experts. Each has a wonderful story to tell, and members of the public can go and vote for their favourite tree on the Woodland Trust website. We are here in Bradgate Park car park. It is a golden morning and we're surrounded by trees. I can see oak trees, hawthorns, birches, hazels. It's absolutely gorgeous with the dappled sunlight falling down on us through the leaves. We're here to meet a particularly special tree. It's Bradgate Park's oldest oak tree, and it's about 20 minutes walk from the car park. So I see my colleague Natasha. She's over there waiting at the edge of the car park, waiting for Matt. Hello Natasha. Natasha: Hello. Ohh hi! Jules: Can you tell us a bit about your role, Natasha and what you do at the Woodland Trust? Natasha: Yeah, I'm a social media officer, so I just help create and schedule all social media content, jump on whenever there's an opportunity like today. Jules: And today you're going to be helping with the recording. Natasha: Yeah, getting a few clips behind the scenes of how we record the podcast so we can share that and a few bits for our website as well and YouTube. Jules: Thanks Natasha. Now I think we have just seen somebody drive up who might well be Matt. He's he's appeared in a very groovy looking buggy. And here we go. I believe this is Matt. Hello. Matt: Good morning, Jules. Jules: Hello, Matt, hi, lovely to meet you. Matt: Nice to meet you. Welcome to Bradgate Park. Jules: Thank you. Can you tell us a little bit about your role, Matt? Matt: So yeah so I've I've worked at Bradgate Park for just over 20 years now and main sort of roles on on the site are woodland management and caring for the ancient trees that we've got that that are of European importance. And I also get quite involved with the drystone walls and repairing them. I lead a a group of volunteers on a Thursday and as we go across the site, I'm sure I can show you some of the work that we've been doing. Jules: Oh brilliant, and you're going to particularly show us a very special tree, I believe. Matt: Yes, I believe we might be able to find that. Yeah, the tree is approximately 830 years old. It predates the Magna Carta and I'd certainly like to take you to the tree and tell you a bit more about it. Jules: All right. We're just getting ready to go and all around us are people enjoying the park, there are some people walking up hills. There are lots of dogs. There's one very cute little brown dog that's having a little dip in, in a little stream, a little brook, really at the edge of the park and it's already quite a warm day, so I think it's having a nice little cool down. We're back en route towards the special tree with the beautiful drystone wall to our right and across to the left are, well there's a tree, there's a plantation, and then there's also a sort of a bit of a wood pasture environment would you call it Matt, with some native trees dotted around in the landscape? Matt: Yeah, very much so. So this is Hallgates Valley. We're looking across to Dale Spinney. The park itself is 830 acres, of which spinneys represent about 10% of the parkland area, so it's quite a large proportion. All the spinneys were planted on the, on the hilltops across the park, that's that's not just by chance. And they were created around about 1830s-40s by the 6th early of Stamford and and now we see the spinneys that we've got here today so you've got quite a mature, mature standard trees. Quite a lot are softwood, but then we've got a mixture of hardwoods in there. We certainly replant hardwoods in the spinneys. Jules: How would you define a spinney as opposed to, you know, other kinds of woods? Matt: Nice easy question *laughs*. I would I would say you've obviously got different names of woodlands and you know we're, we're, we're in Charnwood Forest, but a a forest isn't just trees, it's clearings. And I would say a copse is a small woodland. I would say the spinney is is probably like slightly larger than that and then you go up towards a wood. I could be totally wrong! *both laugh* Jules: I like it though. So Matt you say, you've you've been here 20 years. Matt: Yeah, 22. Jules: 22. So you obviously love it. And what is it that keeps you here? Matt: I was born in Leicester and came here as a young child playing and you know to end up working here as a job, it's certainly a nice place to be coming to and huge, beautiful surroundings, fresh air and and then I've I've just got a real passion for particularly the a lot of the heritage crafts that we keep alive on the estate. So yes, we go down and we manage the woodlands, but we're actually carrying out coppicing operations and that, they go back to the Stone Age and and then other work on the site for instance drystone walling, which we're approaching a gap now that we've been repairing and is obviously another heritage craft, and for me, I I just think it's really important that we're passing on these skills, heritage crafts on to the next sort of generation. Jules: That that's brilliant. And do you do you train sort of volunteers or or is it staff members in in this kind of thing? Matt: I've trained up to Level 2 in walling. That's something I I went up to Derbyshire to do. We've actually got another chap on site now, Leon. He's, he was in the armed forces and and and Leon is doing his levels in walling as well. I believe he's already got Level 1 and 2. He's working towards his 3, we might be able to pop and see him in a bit, but I guess the focus should be trees today *laughs*. Jules: Yeah, well if we have time, that'd be great. See how we go. Matt: This is certainly a large gap of wall that we've been doing on the estate. We've got 17 miles of drystone wall to maintain. The deer park itself goes back to 1241, but it's, the boundaries changed slightly over over the years and the largest extent of the deer park was probably around about 1550 and that would have, certain parts of the boundary are drystone wall and and that's obviously what what we're left with today and we need to maintain that. Not only does it keep the deer inside the park, which is obviously beneficial for a deer park, it's fantastic habitat for various, you know, sort of reptiles to live in and adders, grass snakes, things like that. Jules: Fantastic, so we're looking at at one of the drystone walls and it's I'd say about shoulder height, would you say and it's a grey sort of almost sort of slaty looking stone actually, do you, can you tell us what kind of the stone it is? Matt: Yeah so on on this side of the park, it's it's it's it's a little bit more slaty towards Newtown Linford, that's that's more of a granite, the walling that we do on the, that we we do on the park is is called random coursed walling. So yes, as we build the wall up, you start with the larger stones at the bottom and as the as the wall tapers up, it angles in, that's called the batter of the wall, you can see the frame we've got and that that we're working to, we've got the building lines in. So this one is 80 centimetres at the bottom, tapering up to 40 centimetres at the top. Originally this was actually a lime mortar wall and a lot of walls on the park are lime mortar, but it is possible to rebuild dry, but we do a mix a mixture of both on the estate. Jules: That's great and it's just lovely to see these heritage practices being kept alive and you mentioned the coppicing as well, which is absolutely very much part of woodland culture going back centuries. I believe it goes back to the Vikings, maybe even earlier, I don't know if you know anything about the history of it, Matt? Matt: Yeah, well, certainly the Stone Age coppicing going back, going back to the Stone Age, it's the process of cutting the tree down to ground level. Not all trees will coppice, certainly oak will. That's where Copt Oak gets the name from, coppiced oak. Hazel is the primary tree species that we are coppicing, certainly in Swithland Woods and we've got a management plan in place. We've we've just come to the end of a 10-year management plan that was supported by, there's a lady called Liz Sharkey who comes up with a great plan for us. We're just starting in, in November will be the next 10-year plan and the intention of that is to create the most diverse habitat that Swithland Woods is and it will create a mosaic of habitats, different age stands within the structure of the woodland and and part of that will be coppicing rotation and that will open up and the the the floor of the woodland, let light in and that will benefit bluebells and wood anemone and all the related bird species and invertebrates. Jules: This is all music to our Woodland Trust ears. Thank you, Matt. Shall we continue on our little tour? Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will turn this very loud... *banging* Jules: *laughs* I'm not actually sure how to get out the car, but ohh, OK, yeah, yeah. Natasha's on it. Thanks Natasha. OK, so we are walking up to not the tree we're here to see, but we couldn't resist this one because it's really special and it's a gnarly oak tree, kind of growing out of what looks like a big craggy load of rocks. Yeah, Matt, could you tell us a bit more about this tree? Matt: Yes, I can. So it's English oak and some of the, it's growing out of granite and some of the rocks on the park are actually some of the oldest rocks, certainly in Britain and and the world, 560-million-year-old rocks that we've got on the park and it's all part part of the designation, actually, of the park, it's a SSSI, geological interest in the park and also the veteran trees are also part of that designation and we have just become a National Nature Reserve as well, Bradgate Park. Jules: Well, congratulations! Could you just explain the SSSI to us just so people understand what the abbreviation means? Matt: It's a Site of Special Scientific Interest, so there's many layers to Bradgate Park, people might just want to come have a nice walk, enjoy the views, and people that might be more interested in the geology of the park, so we get a lot of people that are coming out and looking at the rocks and looking for fossils and they're able to from that age, the rocks on the park and then other designations that we've got are related to the ancient trees and and that all forms a a bigger picture that makes the park so important that it has to be protected. Jules: Fantastic. And one of the things that I've just noticed on both this very old oak tree and also on the rocks are, there's a lot of lichens. They're gorgeous. So they're sort of just splattered with them, some of them just look like, like, little sort of paint splats, don't they? They are different colours, we've got white ones, green ones on the rocks, I'm looking at, sort of greyish ones. Some are crusty, some are very flat, which is I think the nature of lichens. Do you know much about the lichens? Matt: I certainly know that we need to keep the lichens exposed to the sunlight, so we have to clear bracken so they're not getting shaded out. They take a long time to form and I certainly know that they need good clean air. So that is a good sign, if you're seeing lichens, you're in a good place as a human being. Jules: Yeah, absolutely. And and one of the things about oak trees as well is because they, they're long-lived trees, they provide particularly important habitat for lichens, cause some, many lichens are really, really slow growing, so they need a very slow, you know, stable habitat, so whether it be the rocks or or the very old tree and you'll get different species associated with the different environments as well. Matt: Yeah, exactly right. And and you can see as well as the being lichens on the rock, you look up into the oak tree and in to the, up the, into the crown of the tree and we are seeing lichens on on the oak tree. Jules: Yeah. Aed one of the other things about lichens is that they are also embedded in our culture as well, so we use them to to make dyes, some people cook with them, so again, a bit like bit like the oak trees and and other native trees, they're really entwined in our cultural history. This isn't the tree we're here to see, but it's absolutely marvellous! So I, gosh, I hope this becomes, goes on the Tree of the Year shortlist at some point because it deserves it! Matt: Well, it's nice to have more than one entry. Jules: Yeah, that would be good, wouldn't it? Matt: I guess it would in in increase the chances of winning, but seeing as it's the first time you've come to the park, Jules, I thought you may as well see this. Jules: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love it. It looks quite elephantine from this, elephantine I should say, from this angle with this sort of like this great, long limb sticking out, it's almost like a trunk isn't it and up into the into the blue. Matt: It certainly is, and I think that's certainly going to be the word of the day. I'm not, I'm not certainly going to try and trump that! Jules: OK, yeah, let's, let's, let's try and use it again, in the next stop! *both laugh* OK. We're going back to the car now the the buggy, the T, TVA. No, the, what is it? Matt: The ATV *both laugh* As we go back towards the ATV, we can see a absolutely stunning tower on a hill. It's gorgeous. It's kind of like, well it looks like it's in a fairytale to me. Could you tell us a bit about that? Matt: So Old John Tower was, they started building it 1784 and and it is a folly and it was somewhere that the Greys, the owners, the Earls of Stamford could entertain guests and around the base of the tower, the rear is the remnants of an old racetrack, at the side of the tower, there's an old stable block and the Greys were certainly great horse fanciers and they entered racehorses into various events and along the the the old racetrack there's still remnants of old furlong markers and they were able to entertain the guests, stand up on the the roof of the of the tower and get an idea of of how good the how well the horses were performing. Jules: Brilliant. And and the the Greys being the family of Lady Jane Grey, is that right? Matt: Yes, that's right yeah. Jules: OK. So it's it's absolutely stunning. It looks like the sort of, yeah, if you're drawing a scene in a fairytale, you'd be drawing a little turrety round tower on top of a hill, wouldn't you? And there'd be probably Rapunzel at the top, letting down her hair. On this occasion we've got a, on this occasion we've got a a very fit looking person who's just run a ring around the bottom of the tower and is now running towards us, obviously making use of this wonderful environment to to keep up their fantastic fitness. Right. OK. Now we are going back to the vehicle. And I think is next stop the the tree, our destination? Matt: Yes it certainly is. Jules: OK, OK, brilliant. I think I've actually worked out how to get in this time, which is ohh no, Matt's letting me in, thank you, what a gent, thank you. Right, we are now out of the vehicle and we are walking towards the special tree. And how long, how much of a walk is it from here? Matt: So I can see it already and I'd say we're only about 200 yards away from it. Jules: *laughs* Ohh, I still haven't seen it! Matt: I'm I'm I'm deliberately walking in a way that it's going to appear. Jules: Oh he's hiding it from us. Matt: Yeah. There we go, fallow deer. Jules: Ohh, there's ohh my goodness two fallow deer. The beautiful spotty backs, sort of trotting away. And then they've stopped and have given, they're looking at us. They're not too shy, actually are they? Matt: No, no, they're not. Jules: They look just like double Bambi. They're very beautiful. Matt: You'll you'll you'll notice on all the trees, and there's about a dozen smaller oak trees that we planted, and these are about 30 years old now. Again, you can see how we've we've literally topped the smaller trees and and that's because we don't want to leave these trees just to get huge a. and maidens and straight and tall. So we want these to be stunted and more open grown. And so we've cut the tops off and and thinned them slightly. And then, again, we're hoping that that will make them longer lived. Jules: Yeah, yeah. And of course, the oak trees love a lot of light, don't they? And these have got quite a lot of light and space around them. Matt: Yes. Jules: Ohh, I can see it now. Oh my goodness. What a beast. How fantastic. So it does, so it's the Bradgate Park's oldest oak, isn't it, so does it have a name, another name beyond that? Matt: I think people people give it various names but it's just ‘the oldest tree in the park' *laughs* Jules: Yeah, yeah. Matt: Trying, I suppose for many years we've tried to keep it a bit bit sort of secret. That's probably for the benefit of the tree and certainly, the fact that it's within a spinney, people aren't walking up to it, and that's helped the tree. I feel that it's in a, it's obviously found some good growing conditions and despite the general habitat of the park being poor, upland soil, shallow, it's found some incredible growing conditions here it's been sheltered so that it's not being exposed to too much, too much wind force. And also it's it's nice and open so as the, as you know sort of from midday to right through into the evening, it's gonna get plenty of light as well. So there's I think there's been a number of factors that have certainly helped to prolong the life of the tree. Jules: Yes, absolutely. Wow, it is a stunner. So just to try and describe this tree, it it's immensely tall. It's probably about the size of a, what about the height of a house would you say? Matt: Yeah it's a good, good 45 feet. Jules: Yeah. And it's got a very gnarly bole. I call it a bole rather than a trunk because it's really big, broad, and it's kind of split into two, kind of more than two. And it's got some dead branches coming out the middle. It's got one gorgeous, great, long, twisted limb reaching out. And it's that that's they're they're propped up, but it's kind of snaking, isn't it, ooh, it's elephantine that's what it is! Yeah, let's use our favourite word of the day. Matt: I'd I'd say it's definitely elephantine *both laugh* Jules: Yeah. And you can see kind of, it looks like there's faces everywhere, aren't there? It's like in that they've dead bit of branch there, you can see like a sort of twisted sort of face and a great long nose. And ohh it's, what a beautiful beast. So Matt, could you tell us a bit about its cultural connection to human beings? Matt: Well, it certainly, it it was aged back in 2014 by a tree consultancy called Bosky and we we obtained a grant funding to tag and map many, many trees across the estate of this, being one of them, and it was it was aged at 818 back then, which puts us at around about the 830 mark now. In terms of relations to humans, it predates the Magna Carta and one of the most notable former residents of Bradgate Park obviously being Lady Jane, when she was a child living on the park, the tree would have already been quite a mighty oak of about 300 years. Jules: Gosh, so, so Lady Jane Grey would have known this tree. Matt: Yes, yeah. Jules: She would probably sat underneath it. Matt: Which is somewhat remarkable. Jules: Yeah. Maybe had a little picnic under here. *Matt laughs* That's what I would have done. Fantastic. And it's wonderful that you're protecting it and actually, despite this sort of really craggy bole, it's it's looking in pretty good health, isn't it, it's got loads of leaves all around. Are you feeling sort of confident about its its future given given how it is? Matt: Well, certainly, yeah you you've you've pointed out the props and these props have been in place supporting certainly this this limb. If we walk around the other side of the tree, you can you can get a bit more of an impression as to what the props are actually achieving for the tree and in due course, and I believe we'll we'll probably upgrade these props, which are basically telegraph posts with Land Rover tyres that have been cut, which is certainly an effective way of doing things, but we have evolved the propping techniques that are now, you can see the tree in the distance over there by the compound that's called the Pheasant Garden. And there's a there's an oak tree there that supported by a prop and that is manufactured using metal, sort of steel work and then there's a cup section that's manufactured and then that that's a more sympathetic way of actually supporting that bough. Jules: Yeah, yes. Matt: Regarding, you know the actual cover of the foliage, like you say, totally agree that it's it's still got reasonable foliage cover, certainly certain things that we do have to watch out for is shade. And that is partly why we've cut the tops off the trees around it. But also you can see where we've got a bit of interference here with this Scots pine at the back. Jules: Oh yes, it's actually actually touching I think, almost touching. Matt: So that is something that we would look to keep keep in check. So this Scots pine, as as lovely as it is, that Scots pine is more like 70 years old, and we wouldn't want that to be shading out so that's something we'll we'll probably climb up there and just cut that, cut the limb off off the Scots pine and stop that, because you can see if we just leave that doing what it's doing, it's going to start shading out and it's really important that we keep the living mass of this tree, so there's a balance there between the living mass and the dead mass of the tree, the static mass. And it's that balance as a ratio for the tree, you know, if you, if you look at a younger tree there, you can say that almost almost 100% of of the of the crown of that tree is alive. Whereas you look at this tree and you start thinking maybe 50%. So the closer that ratio between the living mass and the dead mass is, the closer that gets more like to a one to one, then the the tree will will then gradually just just just be going into decline. So you know, the tree will not live forever but I'm pretty confident it's going to outlive us guys *laughs* Jules: Yes. It's an amazing thought, isn't it? And it's obviously very loved and and and I think the importance is is not just about the tree itself, is it? So really ancient oaks like this, they support enormous numbers of species, some of which only live on ancient oaks. So that's why we need to protect this tree as much as we possibly can and also bring on those veteran oaks of the future that you you, you're, you're that you're you're doing just that, aren't you, here in the park. Absolutely vital. Matt: Yeah, very much so, very much so. As we've driven across the park, we've seen various planting that's been supported by the Tree Council. And like you say, that has, that certainly has been planting more oak trees, but then also other nectar bearing species, rowan, blackthorn, hawthorn, gorse. And these are all important, like you say for the deadwood insects that, that, that live within the ancient oak tree and and then as the tree gets older it then develops more veteran features and those crags, holes are very important roosting habitats for, certainly for owls and bats. Jules: Yeah. And so oak trees in the UK collectively support more than 2,300 species, some of which are completely reliant on oak trees. They couldn't survive without oak trees, and one of the things we were talking about earlier as we drove up was the fact that there are, you know, some, some beetles, for example, some longhorn beetles, for example, they spend their lives as larvae living in deadwood. But then the adults, they need nectar when they grow up, so again, it's really important to have those nectar sources nearby isn't it? Matt: Yeah. So very, very much is. Yeah. And that's what we're looking to do on the park we are we are planting those, those supporting plants. Jules: Fantastic. Wonderful. This incredible tree that we're standing in front of is one of the ten contenders in this year's Tree of the Year competition and the theme of this year's competition is culture and the the the the history and culture associated with trees in our world. Ancient oaks are absolutely threaded in our culture. I'm particularly interested in them, I wrote a book about about oak trees called Oaklore, and one of the things that I talked about was the way that the oak tree intertwines with our lives with with lots of different species, but also with human lives and with our culture. There were so many stories associated with the oak tree. One of my favourites is the story of Charles II and the Boscobel Oak. So before Charles II was, became king he was fighting the parliamentarians and he took a terrible drubbing at a battle. And he needed to escape. And he escaped to Boscobel House. And he was with this soldier called Colonel Careless, and this soldier suggested that they hide in the oak tree overnight rather than the house. And they did. And even though the parliamentarian troops were were wandering nearby, they didn't find the king and his soldiers, and they escaped. And eventually they returned and that led to the restoration of the monarchy. The thing I like about this story is the cultural links then go on and on. Because at that point, a day of national celebration was declared throughout the land, and that was 29 May and that became Oak Apple Day and everybody would party and if the best people at the party, the coolest people at the party, they waved oak branches and wore oak leaves and and if you were super cool, you had lots of oak apples on your, so little galls on your oak branches. And if you didn't have little symbols of oaks, then others were apparently within their rights to take a bunch of nettles and and and attacked you with nettles, which wasn't so nice. So it was also called Nettle Day. It was also known as Pinch Bum Day and Maids Ruin Day. The story goes on, but the other sort of fun cultural connection to that is it also came, it also brought about lots of pubs called the Royal Oak, and the last time I looked there were about 400 oak trees, 400 sorry pubs called the Royal Oak throughout the land, so the cultural tales just go on and on. And that's just the oak tree. But all of our native trees have some fantastic stories associated with them in. In fact every old tree has a story to tell. It's like us, like every older person, we've all got a story, a history to tell. Yeah. OK. Matt: So yeah, we're just walking back from the oldest tree now, and we're just sort of musing over just that connection that human, humans have got to trees. I think it's the fact that an oak tree can sort of live centuries and really, that puts our lifetimes somewhat in perspective. And the fact that an oak tree can just go from the tiniest of acorns to a huge mass of of timber and that is just really fantastic, how you could you could cut open a tree and see all those different tree rings, those years of growth and then just sort of put that in context, what was happening was, was it Dick Whittington that was the Lord Mayor of London for the last time, was it was it the Battle of Agincourt, was it the Magna Carta? And and it's for people like you that actually write books about it, Jules, that can say it a lot better than me *both laugh* Jules: No that was brilliant and we're not gonna cut this one in half though are we, Matt? Matt: No, we're certainly not. And the fact that it's hollow, we just can't see those rings anymore. Jules: No. Thank you. Brilliant. Right. This is our final leg on our walk and we're now in a polytunnel and it's really warm because the sun's beating down outside and it smells gorgeous and and we are surrounded by lots of little trees. Matt, can you tell us a little bit about these? Matt: So the polytunnel was funded by the Tree Council and it's just very important that we're growing on oaks for the future from acorns that have been collected on site. So they've got the genetic continuity of the long-lived oak trees and hopefully they'll grow and carry on into long into the future. Jules: And are they, is it a a mix of acorns from all different trees in in here or is it, or is, are you, are you taking them from specific trees? Matt: It's yeah, it's a bit of a mix. Sometimes, you know, where where we can and where they're viable, if we if we get to the acorns from a veteran tree before the deer, then that's certainly something that we we're looking to grow on. So generally that's what we're that's that's where we'll try and harvest them from that, we've put a frame down before with a bit of a grill, so we can collect the acorns, but then they don't get eaten and that's certainly quite a good technique. And and then we we we grow on from the old trees where we can, yes. Jules: They're really lovely. So we've got really tiny little trees with, some of them have got like, you know, about 5 or 6 leaves. And then they go up to sort of above our just above our heads. And I think what always strikes me is the, the the diversity in in leaf shape and colour that you that you see all around you. So even the same place within within oak trees, it's incredible, the different shapes and sizes you get, isn't it? Matt: Yeah, it really is. And you know, look, looking some of the some of the oaks have been collected from Swithland Woods as well. And and where you've got a stalked leaf, that is a sessile oak. Jules: Ah yes. Matt: And and where you've got a a leaf that's coming off that isn't stalked, that is an English oak, but but that will have a stalked acorn. Jules: Yes. So that's the the key way to tell the difference isn't. Yeah, brilliant. Thank you. I love it. The Bradgate Park oak is one of ten iconic trees across the UK in the running for the Tree of the Year competition. Other examples include the Tree of Peace and Unity in County Antrim. That's an iconic lime tree, I say a lime tree, it's actually two lime trees which are fused together so that the trunk has become bound as one and it's, they've become inseparable and as such they've become a symbol of harmony and hope. So newly married couples sit beneath that tree for a blessing and it became a particular symbol of peace and reconciliation when Tony Blair, David Trimble and John Hume met here in 1998 at the signing of the Good Friday Agreement. Another example is the Argyle Street Ash in Glasgow. This tree is growing right next to some historic flats and it's seen as a symbol of local resilience. It has survived all kinds of things, including Victorian industry, the Clydeside Blitz, recent development and so far, ash dieback. One of its cultural connections is that it was featured in a 1935 book by James Cowan. The book was called From Glasgow's Treasure Chest and in it he describes the tree as ‘quite the most graceful ash I have seen'. Well, that's enough of me. Meanwhile, thank you so much to Matt and Natasha. It's been great fun talking trees with you. Thank you for listening to the Woodland Trust Woodland Walks. Don't forget to subscribe to the series on iTunes or wherever you're listening to us and do give us a review and a rating. And why not send us a recording of your favourite woodland walk to be included in a future podcast? Keep it to a maximum of five minutes and please tell us what makes your woodland walk special or send us an e-mail with details of your favourite walk and what makes it special to you. Send any audio files to podcast@woodlandtrust.org.uk. We look forward to hearing from you.
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Weapons Kids are creepy right? We can all agree on that? Well, you know whats even creepier? When there are meant to be kids and they aren’t there. Or even worse… there’s just one. Weapons is the new horror from Zach Cregger starring Julia Garner, Josh Brolin and Alden Ehrenreich, whose first break out hit Barbarian scared the hell out of us… and guess what? It’s got a whole bunch of creepy not-there kids! But is it actually good? Or is this just a bunch of kids “naruto running” towards oblivion? Dion, Jill and Quinny are all in or this review, with Quinny being the only one who hasn’t been traumatised by Barbarian yet. Synopsis When all but one child from the same classroom mysteriously vanish on the same night at exactly the same time, a community is left questioning who or what is behind their disappearance. https://youtu.be/Mw57elDUcdQ As always, a midnight thank-you to all you crazy kids join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEDT. And an especially huge thanks to any of you naruto running grade schoolers who are kind enough to support us by casting a tip into our jar via Ko-Fi, or subscribing on twitch… every bit helps us to keep the lights on… because we’re scared of the dark. If you feel so inclined drop us a sub we really love them, The more subby mc-sub-faces we get, the more Emotes You get! https://youtu.be/OpThntO9ixc?si=_x20ryvp1bDvS9Mx WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too! We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript Dion Oh, well, hello and welcome to the periodic table of awesome. I’m unsure of who I am at the moment. I could be a weapon, I’m not sure. But you know who I know is absolutely a weapon. Jill. Jill is absolutely a weapon. Quinny Look at those ******* guns. Boom. Dion And and Quinny is potentially a weapon. Quinny Look, I I had to register my entire body as deadly weapon as, as, as legally one is bound to when one is as hard as ******* as I. Jill Make a gun. Dion Am I was actually going to say if you. If you commit to it quinny, if you if you, if you you put yourself on a regime, if you go to the gym, you could build yourself into a weapon. And. Quinny Buddy, I I am a weapon. It’s just like I’m a 10 LB ******* gun. I’m like, you know, you you you’re thinking of like a a fast kind of swishy weapon. I’m more like a like a a fat man bomb that gets dropped off, you know. Speaker 6 Yeah. Quinny So technically, still the weapon. Dion I wasn’t gonna. I wasn’t gonna go there. Quinny Yeah, well, I know. And as telling us, there’s better being a weapon than being a tool. What are you? Dion Yeah, yeah. Now you’re a ******. Don’t don’t tism me. This is that will go down a rabbit hole. We’re not going to do it. Yes. OK. Weapons. We went and. Quinny I know, right? Dion Saw weapons. We did, we. Quinny Can’t get a water bomb is a weapon too. Dion All of that what is a weapon? Yeah. Quinny Is that my physique? Is that what? Speaker 7 We’re saying no. Dion Philosophically. OK, so story time now. A while back, Jill and I went and saw a. Jill Little film we trauma bonded over, but Marion. Dion Yeah, we trailer bond, we weren’t. We didn’t know what was going on. We weren’t. It was like, ohh this film. It’s called barbarian. OK, whatever. We’ll go do that. And they were good. They gave us some alcohol. I’m like, oh, yeah. Let’s get on this and started watching a film. And then. Don’t know, maybe. 3045 minutes into it, we started going wait, where the **** is this going? And and it just proceeded to get even ******* more terrifying and crazy all the way to the end. And then we walked out going. That was ******* cool. Jill Yes, it was ****** **, but it was cool. Dion Yeah, it was. Speaker Quinny You’re not normally a huge horror fan. No, but like you, you will watch it. If it’s in front of. Dion I mean, you know, like I’m not the sort of person who’s like, oh, is it gory and horror, sure. Or go and laugh. I’m just more like, I don’t really need to see that. It has to be a good horror, elevated horror. Elevated horror is a discerning horror. Which, you know, like the traditional stuff like nightmare on Elm Street, you know and. Quinny 13th. Dion Friday 13th and I don’t really go into. I don’t need to see Gore for the sake of gore. Jill Those are like a sub genre though those are. Dion Yeah, yeah. And slasher. Yeah. And but a good. Speaker 6 Slasher films, yeah. Quinny Horror. Torture. ****. Not it’s like, you know, that kind of stuff where it’s just watching people be. Dion Nice. Jill Like so. Quinny Exactly. Dion Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like all that kind of stuff can kind of get a bit confused in. But you know, I can’t say I’m a fan of it because, you know, given the choice, I’m not sure that I’d go and see barbarian or weapons again in that kind of sense. But was it a good film? Yeah. Speaker But. Dion You know, it was just that way that it kind of went through. So sure, I’m not a huge horror fan. Jill. Jill though. Yeah, she yeah loves it. Except for. Jill You love it. Clowns. No, no, it I’ll never watch it. Dion Yeah. So. It. Quinny Ohh, but you’re you’re not looking forward to welcome. To Derry then. Speaker 6 Yeah. Quinny The the prequel to it. Jill Good, because I would have thought it was something to do with dairy. Dion Yeah. Speaker 8 Girls and I would have gone and seen it. And I would have been very upset. Quinny Why would you would have? It’s a TV series coming out soon and I’m actually really pumped. I’ve. Speaker 6 Yeah, no. Quinny It was one of those books that ******* creeped this **** out of me as a kid and you know, I’m like, yeah. Dion Sure. Jill I couldn’t stare at a drain for a very long time because my father would say ohh it lives in the trees and it’s little children. So here I am in the shower, not making eye contact. Dion Sure. Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. Jill With the brain. Dion With the train. Jill Thinking it was any kind of drain that this ******* clown lived in. Dion Which which technically it did. So it does live in every drain and it is a clown. Jill Yeah. Yeah. And I’m like, don’t look down there cause you’ll see something staring back and. I was *******. He’s terrified. Quinny Hi, Georgie. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like if if I go down that rabbit hole, I could still easily terrify the **** out of myself. Quinny Yep. Dion Yes, so. Jill I do kind of tend to watch horror as a form of. Therapy. Because I’m in a constant state of fight or. Speaker 8 Flight with anxiety and if. Jill I were to ah. Film. Then I I know that that is something that I can’t control and it’s I just have to go along for the ride. So I just kind of like purges the fright. Dion Sure. I mean it’s. Quinny Out and also. Yeah, it gives you that, that, that moment of tension and then release, whereas having a life of anxiety means there’s no release. Yeah, exactly. Speaker 6 Yes. Quinny Just tension. Constant ******* ongoing tension. Jill Yeah. Quinny Yeah. Yeah, no, I get that totally. Dion Quinny, do you consider yourself a fan of horror? Quinny As a kid, **** no. Like I was terrified of anything that looked even remotely like horror, you know, like, even seeing a cover of a VHS of something like extra or fright night or something like that was enough to make me, you know. You have nightmares for ages, so it took me a really long time till I ever went anything near horror and I came to horror through so if I. Dion Sure. Quinny So right, you know, the first horror that I watched was aliens. And yeah, because that wasn’t really a horror. That was, you know, an action film that had horror elements. Speaker 6 Hmm. Quinny Then I went back and rewatched or watched alien and was scared ********. But then I started to kind of get into it. No invasion of the body snatchers and. Like that and now I have a thing that I’m not in a huge rush to go and watch a horror. Speaker 6 Sure. Yeah. Quinny But I will watch a good one. Dion And so back to this whole sort of story when weapons came out and it’s by Zach Krieger, who Jill and I have had the Zach Cregger experience with barbarian. And while we were like, this is gonna be like I I remember I was looking at. Speaker 6 Hmm. Speaker We have. Dion Oh great. Ohh wait. OK. Like I’ll go see what this is, but I knew what I was going into. The funniest thing was watching it with Quinn, who had not. Had this experience at. All just going. What the **** I’m like, yeah. Quinny No. That’s in fact there. There are multiple times in the film where characters exclaim loudly what the ****? Sure, and I agree wholeheartedly with them. Jill Yeah. Dion Because there is a part of this where I feel like weapons is communicating with the audio. Once in a really interesting way and it doesn’t spoil anything. I just feel like there are parts of the movie and beats of the story and things that are going where it the the film makers are communicating with the audience going. We’ve just shown you a bunch of ****** ** **** and we’ve had a character on screen and saying what the **** and the whole audience is like. Yeah, what the ****? Quinny Yeah, yeah. Dion And it really it was an interesting as you were saying, the release of tension and I felt like that came through at the end too where it. Diverged a little bit, but allowed the audience to have that tension released, which has been built up for the whole thing, so I consider this one not particularly a horror, but it is. Let’s be honest. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Jill Ohh it is. Dion But it is. Quinny It’s it’s a proper horror, but you know. Dion It’s a it’s a really good tension film. Jill Yeah, Arena asked. Is it more of a thriller? But I would say no, it’s definitely. Speaker 6 And. Dion No, no. Jill Not not thriller. Dion No, because and the horror. Quinny It. It does good tension building and it is it has that kind of thriller kind of thing, but no, it’s very definitely. Dion Yeah. Speaker 6 Yes. Dion Yeah, as you say, like, oh, I’m not going with jump scares. I’m like, well, maybe this is not for you. Quinny In fact, this has moments that are not jump scares, but like there are there are some of the most effective moments of like, skin crawling horror that I have seen in a long time, and hearing a whole. Dion Horror. Just dread. That contained no. Quinny Audience yeah, react to them and ohh wow. Dion With like and they have no blood. It’s just really good ******* creepy ****. Speaker 1 Yeah, and like. Dion That you’re waiting for something. Jill I I love all of that stuff. And when one of. The big jump scares happened and I screamed. Dion He did. Speaker It was great. Quinny A big way. Dion Yeah, and. And look, let’s be honest, we all knew it was coming. Like that’s one of the great things when you still have that result like ohh ****. Even though I knew it was coming. Speaker 6 Yeah. Jill Yes. Yeah. Like, I’m like, oh, my God, I know this is coming. And then it did. And then I screamed. And I’m like, I haven’t screamed and. It jumps Gary and ages. Yeah. So it was it. Was a good pay off do do you wanna know? Dion And the. Quinny What the film’s actually about? No, no. Dion Not yet. One one second, one second. Can I, can I ask you one question because I don’t actually have any music and you’ve caught me off guard. Quinny I think. It. Yeah. Dion The last movie that I saw that did the same kind of thing that I really actually didn’t enjoy was smile too. Ohh yeah yeah. So watched that. Yeah, and I mean. Jill Never. Quinny Ohh you should get into that Joe. Jill Yeah, it’s on, it’s on telly. I’ll watch it, yeah. Quinny Yeah. That for the for the discomforting side of it, Dee or the. Dion No, the the way that it like, I mean smile, which I haven’t seen and I saw smile to going in blind which is a bit funny but I understood the craft and I thought they did it really well but they jump scares became a point where it was. Just this is the building to a jump scare. Whereas I liked weapons more because it was like is it a jump scare? Maybe you know? And it was some sort of smarter done and then sometimes was like, hey, it’s not a jump scare. It’s just something absolutely ******* terrifying that doesn’t really do it. Yeah, it’s it’s. And it’s not about some. That is terrifying. It’s the idea of it is built and constructed in such a great way that the audience is filling in their brain about how terrifying and what bad things could happen, and then it doesn’t really happen that way. It just puts the the situation goes, hey, how would you react to this situation? And everyone in the audience is going *******. No, I don’t want to be in that situation. I don’t want. To do this, I want to leave. Anyway. Quinny Absolutely. OK. Dion Sorry, synopsis time. Do you know what I’ve got? I’ve got on the boards for the music to go behind. It is stuff. Quinny I don’t know. Dion From Kpop Demon Hunter. So do you want that? Why not? We haven’t had enough. Speaker 6 No. Quinny Why? No, I mean, hey, by the way, the the golden from K pop demon hunters went to number one of the Billboard charts today. Wow. Dion Excellent. Hear it again. Speaker 7 Yeah, well, let’s go with. Quinny We’re just increasing its plays. Dion Sure. Quinny Jill You’re gonna give us, like a Anna Delphi. Quinny Ohh but I can because you’re a poor. Dion Yes, do it. Quinny OK, when all but one child from the same classroom mysteriously vanish on the same night at exactly the same time because they’re porous. Speaker 7 Right. Quinny A community is left questioning who or what is behind the disappearances. Sorry that just turned into the chick from SBS. Speaker 8 This is going. Jill I was like, it’s like Christoph Waltz and Christopher Walken met Christoph Walton. Quinny First off. I apologize. I apologize to everybody that was, that was the absolute peak of **** accent. Speaker Yeah. Jill Wait, was that the whole boxes? Quinny Yeah. When all but one child from the same club, I can. Speaker Oh. Quinny Do a slightly longer. 1 So it’s a a horror film about a community grappling with the disappearance of 17 children from the same class, all vanishing at the same time on the same. Night and it follows. The aftermath, exploring things of trauma, grief, and the unsettling nature of the events of the townspeople, tried to understand. What happened and who is responsible? Dion Double s in officers. OK, one of them was backed by K pop and the other was. Just a flat scare. So. OK, yeah, good. Quinny Sorry. Dion Good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good so. Quinny Right. Yeah. That’s how we should do it. That’s that’s how we work there. Yes. And there was a little gesture. Dion Now very. Quinny In there I’m. Dion Sorry, very, very, very importantly, there was a notice in front of the screening. Which was, hey, don’t spoil it for people where people go in and I thought, OK, it’s a bit naff. Let the thing stand on its own. You know, there’s no need to go through it. But it went on upon reflection. Speaker 8 Yes. Dion Having it’s it’s been out for a while now. I actually kind of go. Yeah, I don’t. Really want to. Do a big spoil because not that I think you’d lose anything from it. I just think it’s a more interesting film to not know. Sort of the last third going into it, I think it has a better effect, not not giving a **** about it. Like, don’t really listen. To. People reviewing it and and spoiling stuff because. You kind of lose. Jill It. Yeah, I mean, the trailer was enough and then kind of like discovering what is actually going on is I think lends more to the suspense and and keeps it interesting. Dion Yeah. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Yeah, I do want to talk like a little bit structurally about what happens at the end of the film, but I don’t want to talk about. Jill Oh yeah. OK. Quinny The the the facts of it like you know. But anyway, let’s not talk about that bit. Let’s talk about the beginning of the film. So a base concept, a bunch of kids run away one night. But it’s not just that they run away. Speaker 7 Yeah. Quinny They Naruto runner. Jill Naruto run, they’re going to storm area 51. Yeah, at 2:17 in the morning? Absolutely. Dion At 2:17 and it’s all through grainy camera footage. And I love the little child like voice, voice over narration of, like, this is a true story. This is the stuff that happened and blah blah blah and I’m like. Speaker 7 Which is. Jill Yeah, it gives it a little bit of found footage vibe. Dion Bit Nash. Jill Which is yeah. It’s like a bit creepy. Quinny Yeah, yeah, this this does that whole found footage and like, different cameras and stuff like that. So much better than that war of. The world’s ********. Dion ****, don’t. Don’t even. It’s it’s an interesting one too, because what I really like about it is it is. It is an easy to understand story. It’s set in suburban Americana. Sort of. There is something creepy going on in a space that generally wouldn’t be considered creepy, and I think you did it also in barbarian like and I and I really enjoy that. It doesn’t necessarily need. Rich people, poor people. It’s not about, you know, X&Y. It’s like, look, this weird thing happened. Hmm, that has probably been going on for a long time. In this and everyone is unsettled by it, but in the end. Life will keep going. And I really, I really like they explained at the start, they’re like ohh this really strange thing and in the end everyone just sort of accepted it. And moved on because it was too upsetting for people and I really like that it gave it a good basis and a good foundation to sort of settle in and go, OK what the? Quinny **** did happen but, but also it it does that that very smart thing of going OK how do people in you know, small towns react to bad things happening? They’ll turn. Dion You know clue. Speaker 7 Insect. Quinny And and the the most obvious person to turn on is the the the school teacher. So if every kid from the class Bar 1. You know doesn’t show up who’s the first thing you’re gonna look at the school teacher. You’re gonna ask questions there. Jill See, I’m the opposite. I’m like, why is this one? Kid left on, yeah. Quinny Oh yeah, 100 percent, 100%. Jill What’s going on with this kid? Quinny And the the the good thing is they actually show you like they they interview the kid, they do a lot of like they go to great lengths to really show you that due diligence has been done. Yeah. You know, and this is just there is no answer. It’s just ******* weird. Jill Yeah, it’s it’s puzzling. Dion And and like I love that they used quite well in this, like the vignette sort of style, the way they chop it up and they follow, you know, you get introduced to kind of some of the characters and then you get like as you get introduced to more, it starts replaying their stories. And I like the way that they use that quite effectively, which is like here’s. This person, and this is their story. And then we’ll follow someone else and it overlaps and it overlaps and it overlaps until you finally get to the. Jill Yeah. And chill, there’s a point where it’s like, hang on a second. Something really *******. Dion Yeah. Jill Weird’s going on? Dion And until it gets to the point where it’s like, OK, we’ve given you enough back story about how all these things are kind of overlapping and then we’re just gonna follow this one. And explain exactly what happened and you were like by that time you’re like ohh ****. Like, how do you resolve this? What the **** did happen? Quinny Yeah. Jill Yeah, it was a good point to reveal it as well because like, it was a very kind of slow burn intro to the movie. And I was like, ohh, where is this going like? Dion Yeah. Jill It’s maybe, yeah, becoming a little bit dull until like you do get that pivot point and it’s like, ohh ****. OK now strap in, cause I’m ready for. Dion So. Quinny Yeah, yeah, yeah. She’s gotten real ****** **. Yeah, it it’s interesting because I was watching it and my immediate thought was the film rush him on, which is the one where they they tell the same story, but from different perspectives. And you see the way that interacts. It’s like that. But it it’s sort of. Jill The rest of it. Speaker Hmm. Jill Yeah. Quinny Just showing you different parts, but then continuing the story on. Yeah, which I thought was really smart. Jill And thank God you you made the cultural reference and didn’t go with like Pulp Fiction. Quinny Sure. Well, you know, because I’ve all filmically ******* knowledgeable. Dion I mean, look, you know. Jill It was like, where did that reference come from? Russian. Dion Barbarian great one much shorter like Barbarians. Only 100 minutes. Yeah, right. This one’s 128 minutes. So we got almost an extra half hour of, you know, additional weirdness, which I think was deserved in this. Like I really like the pacing and the punch of barbarian because it just kind of like starts off real slow and then starts hammering through this one. Get it? Has the same sort of thing. It starts off real slow, but it gives you time to build that tension. And then I think at the end, a little bit more. Time like. When you start explaining things. I thought it would move a little bit quicker, but I have to admit by the end of it I was like, Oh no, I’m fine with how you. Decided you wanted to go with this and by the time you get to that big turn or the big understanding about what is going on, which I say is like 2/3 of the way. Through the film. It does delve into stuff where I’m like, is this funny? Is this not funny? But also, how are you gonna resolve this? And the only way to do it is. Kind of with a little bit of ridiculousness. But I thought it. Was it served it quite well? Quinny I think the thing that worked for me about it was the way the characters each sort of had their their very clear part of the story. 3 and when it intersects with one particular place, that’s where **** starts to go badly wrong for everyone you know you’re you’re trying to. Everybody’s trying to work out. Something and they’ve all got their their challenges. So you’ve you’ve got our our Julia Garner. Who’s been Justine, who obviously school teacher Josh Brolin is the dad of one of the. Benedict Wong is one of the the principal principal of the the school. Alden Ehrenreich is one of the cops, and Austin Abrams is is a a junkie for I mean, for lack of any better description. Jill He’s. Dion Just cop. Quinny And each of them. Speaker 6 They’ve. Quinny Their their thing, their story, their interaction, yeah. Speaker 7 Sure. Jill And each of their encounters with what is going on. And so you kind of get their perspective on. Ohh man, how do we trying? Speaker 8 It’s hard not to spoil it, but. Dion Isn’t it you? You get there? It’s, it’s. Yeah, they they put out like, I mean the the, the film posits a strange occurrence, and then all of these different people come into it at different ways, like their their approach that they’re in, they’re affected by it in different ways. And the way that they approach it is. All 100% what everyone knew and I would do like. Yeah, there are no, there is no stupid situation. I have to admit there’s nothing stupid about each of these characters and decisions they’re making along the way. It’s just that there is something else affecting them and we as the audience know that there is something real bad. Happening and we can’t stop them, even though within their characters like, you know, the problem with horror and like that kind of stuff. You’re like, don’t go into there. That’s stupid. You never do that. Stop splitting. Up. I don’t think there’s one character in this that makes a dumb. Speaker 6 Yeah. Dion Every single character is like. This is weird. But I need to find the kids. And I’m just going to do something that’s seemingly innocuous but suddenly ends up in a world. Of hurt. Like and, that’s what I thought was great about it. Isn’t one of those things like watch out for the slash? Are they going to get you? It’s like, no, they don’t know they’re. Going to be gotten. Because they’re doing something really boring, like going to a house. In the middle of the day, yeah. And then, you know, bad **** happens not because they made a dumb decision, because something else is affecting them. Quinny Yes. Yeah, it’s, it’s smart and it doesn’t treat its audiences in any way stupid. Yeah, it takes some weird turns. Ohh. Dion 100%. Quinny Like, yeah, there’s, I don’t know whether we talk about it afterwards or what, but there’s stuff to in the last act that I was just like, what the ****? And it really there was in some very strange directions. But up until that point, you’ve also had a bunch of pretty ******* weird moments. And there’s a point where. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Like you said, Joe, it’s gone fairly slowly for a while. Yeah. And then there’s a point. Where it just suddenly ramps up and it’s no longer creeping dread. Now it’s running ******* screaming, running, screaming, terrifying. Jill Naruto running. Quinny This is ******** terror. Dion And. Look, I I. Liked it because they set everyone up as an unreliable narrator or character, but everyone is in is is unreliable in this you immediately start following Justine, who’s the school teacher, and they go to great lengths to explain why. Maybe she. Speaker 6 Yeah. Speaker It. Dion You know, and they do all of that like maybe the father, like is Josh Brolin’s character is maybe he’s got something to do with it because he seems. Overly crazy at certain points of time, but. Ultimately it’s it’s it’s very sane reactions to a very insane situation, and I think that was the success of how it worked. Speaker 6 For me, does that make sense? Yeah. Here’s one roll. Sorry. Dion Hmm, also shot beautifully. Also shot. Beautifully. Quinny Shot beautifully and a lot of it in the very, very, very dark. Dion But that’s what worked, man. Quinny Absolutely. Like there are a lot of sequences moving around through dark houses and at night and stuff like that, which you know is one of those great tropes of all things horror. I do remember watching something recently only in the last couple of years where I was blown away that they did a horror, but in full daylight. Jill Oh, OK. Quinny And I’m bugged if I remember what it was, but it it it really impressed me that they managed to do. In full light, this one does a bit of it here and then the really. Speaker 7 The character I. Quinny Wanted to call out that I thought was really impressive. Was James the our junkie buddy, really? Speaker 8 OK, well, I was impressive. Quinny His character, like in terms of performance wise. Not likable, not likable at all, but the energy that he came at that with. Speaker No. Quinny Like the the really nervous ****** ** energy and the like. The complete sort of. Unreliability of the character I was like ****, that’s a really good performance. I don’t like the guy. I don’t like him at all, but that’s cause it’s a really good performance. Speaker 8 Yeah. Jill Yeah, that’s true. Dion You know? Yeah. I mean, yeah, that was like, I mean, to be honest, halfway like by the time we got to that character, I didn’t know how they were going to make him scary because he is just a junkie. And they did do some pretty good, scary, scary scenes with that just really boring situation. Technically, when you look back at it after the jump scares and after everything has happened, you’re like ****. That was so tense. For something that was really boring. Quinny There is a sequence and I the possibly the sequence that the whole cinema reacted to the most. Speaker MHM. Quinny And. I don’t. It’s what I love about it and I’m not going to try and describe it because it it would be doing it a disservice to describe the sequence. But what I loved about it was that it was. Fear created almost purely through sound. Like there’s a visual element to it. Something that is this growing danger. Dion Yeah. Quinny But then the use of sound was the thing that made the whole audience go **** no. Like literally the guy behind me when you heard a particular sound that door open just went oh, no. Oh, no, no. Speaker Yeah. Quinny No. And I heard. Jill The dream sequence. Speaker 6 No, no, no. OK, it’s. Dion It’s this like this, like stalking sequence. Quinny In a car. Speaker 7 Ohh. Dion Yeah. Yeah, right. Speaker 7 Yep, Yep. Dion See this is this is what I’m talking about the the the ability to create tension based around very boring, very banal, very normal ****. Speaker 6 Mm-hmm. Dion In this is great. By doing you know great things. I was like, great. It’s gonna be in the middle of night. It’s like 2:00 AM. She’s creepy anyway. Yeah. And now we’re going to make this creepier by, you know, making it sound like there aren’t many sounds like you can hear things, but you don’t need to see it. Like, if you hear, don’t show. Quinny Yeah. Speaker 6 Hmm. Dion It can be very creepy and I like that too when there are inside certain other houses and they’re doing the low light stuff that you kind of do. Jill Not just sound, but like lack of sound. Dion And yeah, lack of sound is a great. A great way to do that. Jill I think one of my favorite sequences was the dream sequence of Josh Brolin’s character because it was shot from like first person perspective. So really felt like a dream. And because it was like, you know, semi dark and like the cameras turning as if like. A person is walking through a house and you know doors are opening, but you’re not seeing it because it’s as if you’re doing it. Was absolutely terrifying because there’s like. If anybody has ever had a nightmare where, like you can’t control what’s going on and you’re like, fighting with yourself to even accomplish something within the dream, it felt just like that and that. Was that was. Really incredible bit of movie making, I thought. Quinny And and the the every time you round a corner or whatever, you’re expecting something to. Be there to to, you know, wanna hurt you or whatever. Cause you know vaguely where what we’re kind of doing here. We’re in horror territory. Yeah, but. Dion Yeah, yeah. And on top of that, I also love the the interesting ability here to allow the audience to really use their imagination while they’re watching this because. Speaker 6 Mm-hmm. Dion Setting up a camera. Like we we had in the end of the trailer there or not at the end of the trailer, but like there’s scenes of like an open doorway, it’s pitch black. You can’t really see anything inside, but can you because your mind starts to fill things in? Speaker 8 Yeah, I know. Cause it felt. It’s exactly like nightmares that I have where you’re like you’re looking and you’re looking. And it’s like you’re trying to make out something and it’s like is that. Dion Exactly. Speaker 8 Something? Or is it just like? Dion Is it a shape? Is it a shape in the room or is it just your? Your chair group has come alive, or those those other ones, so I thought was really good, which is moving around the house and everything is normal and fine. But wait. Speaker Yeah, my God. Dion What is that like when you when your brain finally kicks in and goes, that’s not actually supposed to be there. That is not what you expect in that sort of thing. And you have to come back to it and you realize ****. Speaker 6 Mm-hmm. Dion That’s terrifying. Like, these are the successful things about it, which is why I really hated watching it. But I enjoyed the. **** out of. The movie, like it was just fun and it was really fun. It, like really, as I said, it was really fun taking quinny along. So I recommend someone take someone who hasn’t seen their **** before. Jill Hey. Dion Hey, sorry Jill. Jill Yay on the titz off scale. Dion Yes, titz off none left **** all gone flying everywhere. Jill None left. That’s a big fat 0 on. The **** off scale. Dion They, they they, they were like, you know, Shinkansen hanging out the window. ****, they’re just gone. Quinny Love that we both. Speaker 7 Had the same age. I love that they’re. Dion Connected though. I just thought that they’re like. Quinny Well, they connected for a while and then they go. Right. I I don’t know how many tips are off for me because I was scared titless. Speaker 8 Ah, well, there you go. That’s zero as well. Quinny Yeah. Speaker 7 Yeah, like. Jill I don’t know, just like in the last couple of movies that I’ve seen this month, I’ve just have not had. A reaction like I did. With this one MMM. Quinny Yeah. Yeah. Well, and and you, you come out of it with a very distinct sense of man. I’ve watched something. Yeah, like. You know, it wasn’t safe. It wasn’t normal. It it. It didn’t feel like just your average ******* horror. Like, oh, God. What was that movie we watched a couple of years back for? None. Like, based on The Conjuring thing. Speaker 8 Yeah. Jill Yeah. Quinny And it was just like, yeah, it’s a horror film. Yes. There’s a spooky nun. Cool. Like, in some ways, smile was a little bit like that, though I did find it was creepy as ****. But this, I don’t know, this was doing something different. This was really going into a different level of. Scary. Dion I I feel like collectively. Everyone was like in the film that I was sitting there going. And yes and. Everyone just kind of decided not to talk about it anymore, cause too many people died and it was too freaky. And I’m like, yes, kind of like barbarian. Kind of like weapons. We’ve watched it now and ****, you know, a lot of stuff happened and things are good, but like. Just collectively not gonna watch it again. Or not gonna talk about it because you’re still processing stuff about it. Umm. Yeah. Anyway, look. But also, you know, I can see why some people were unhappy with it. Quinny What? Where do you think? It didn’t work. Dion It’s interesting because, well, I don’t think it it’s. I can see how some people were a bit unhappy with it because they might have wanted to go more into the slasher horror kind of stuff at the end because I feel like there was the turn that happens and it goes into more explanations. You don’t really understand. Speaker Oh. Dion Exactly what’s going on, but came to me. It became more comedy and I was like ohh, I’m getting this now. You just have to go with it and you know the ending isn’t as satisfying. I think that some people were really after because it has no resolution for the characters. But. You know, I feel like after the tension of the 1st. Aaron, Aaron. A bit. I was like, I’m happy for it to just help me relieve the tension. Quinny Yeah. Dion Yeah. And also, you know, people could be sitting there going. Ohh, I didn’t. You know, everyone thought it was great, but I didn’t like it. Like, yeah, OK, I did. Speaker 6 Hmm. Dion It was fun. Quinny I’d I’d like predicate because thing I went in after hearing a ton of fat, and though I enjoyed it, I’m still firmly bitted. Dion Still, yeah, sure. Quinny Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like I can see why. So there is a massive tonal turn. Like. Yeah, and there’s a point where, like it goes. We’ve already talked about where it ramps up, the action, kind of the the like, the threat becomes a lot higher. Mm-hmm. But then there’s another point a little bit later on where it takes a fairly sharp left turn. Into what could be seen as comedy. Dion Yeah. Jill Yeah. I mean, I think it’s a comedic moment, but it kind of like washes all of the drama and the the evil away and kind of leaves you with. OK, this was a really ****** ** situation and you know a number of horrific things happened, but by the end of it, we’re all able. To walk away. Like and put the situation behind us and I think. If it hadn’t have ended, you know very finally like the way it did. Then it kind of leaves you open to explore that situation maybe happening again. So I think like, yeah, I think I feel like the comedic twist of the ending. Was to relieve all of the tension that we built throughout the whole movie. Quinny Absolutely now. Jill But to do it in a way that wasn’t necessarily with a scare. Quinny Yeah, though I I would say that they I felt like we started to get elements of comedy earlier. Ohh, OK. Like essentially when we’re introduced to one of the characters that we haven’t talked about that does. Kind of push the film into a different space. It goes from being kind of. Of. This uncertainty about what? Is happening too. Suddenly there is a. Focus for it. And the focus is. Or could be. Are let down 4 people and I. Yeah. So I had that that moment where I was like that’s that’s a weird ******* choice and I’m still creeped out. But yeah. Dion Should. Jill I I’ll stand by that choice because I think it was. It’s a good way to catch you unawares. Quinny Yeah, yeah, very true. Very, very. Dion True. So, Jill while. Try and find your **** to. Reattach them. Speaker Shouldn’t. Quinny Somewhere in the fields of Japan and all. Through the. Dion Quinnie, do you have a rating for for weapons? Speaker 7 Yeah. Quinny Oh yes, that’s a good question. OK, I’m going to go. Speaker 6 Adding. Quinny I was genuinely creeped out by most of the film, and I think it works. Incredibly well as a. Really. Proper, good, scary ******* horror. Your your mileage is going to vary as to whether or not the last bit like the the last. From a certain point onwards, works for you. For me, it did kind of make me go. Huh. But it still kept the tension pretty high. So yeah, that’s where I’m at. It’s 84. If you’ve got a number, drop it. Dion Jewel. Right. Quinny In that chat. I look for them. Dion I was going to go 85. Ah, but I’m not. I’m gonna go 86 because I like round math. So, dude, Jill, you could totally frustrate me but. Jill Even number. Dion Getting an odd number. Quinny That prick dangers jumped to 93, so **** you. Dion Yeah. Jill Well, then I’ll bring it back and. I’ll, I’ll go. For a 91 so that we can. Speaker 6 Oh ****. Jill Even it up. Dion All right. Jill We’re going to go 90, but because of the odd number, I’ll go 91 even it. Dion Yeah. Out again. Yeah, 86. I really. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was just, like, kind of watching barberry and like, what the **** is happening? But it’s really good. Can I recommend it to people? Yes, with, with, with ******* guard rails as in. You know, Peter didn’t come. That’s OK. She’s not going to see this. You know, she’s going to be like, Nope. Quinny Not the kind of thing that. Dion Beck’s gonna like. No, no, all of those kinds of things like it. It’s not for everyone. But I do think it’s great. So, yeah, that was my 86. And, Jill, you’ve already got not 91. Speaker No. Jill At 91, I I have a horror friend and I immediately went to her and said hey, I watched weapons and she said Ohh good, I’m going to go and see it on Friday. And then when she came back to me, she. Speaker 8 Said what the ****? That was so good. Jill Like that ending was So what the ****? And I’m like, yeah, but it was great. And like, yeah, we were just, like, dissecting, you know, the way that they built tension and all that kind of stuff and the pay offs were were all really good. I got to say the creative. Speaker 6 Yeah. Jill Format for the storytelling was was great. I thought that was very inventive for like a horror film. Yeah, the. Speaker 8 Anything that made me ******* scream, I’m like, yes. Big ticks so. Quinny Yeah, it takes a bit to actually get you to scream. I I heard you scream and I thought that wouldn’t have. Jill There were so many moments throughout the film where I actually had to stop eating and drinking because holding on to the chair and I’m like, crawling back into the chair, like with my arms crossed thinking Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God. And yeah, it it made me out loud scream, not just like shock. No, I screamed. And thank God it was like a loud. Tension release in the. Audio of the film as well to kind of cover up. The embarrassment of me screaming in a horror movie, but yeah. Dion And. I had the yeah. Jill Really thoroughly enjoyed. Speaker It. Dion I had The thing is like I I like weapons as a journey. Of a film. Like. Speaker 6 Hmm. Dion I don’t think that there’s like there’s no point talking about A twist or a turn or this thing and this other what the **** I’m like. I like the journey of the film. Yeah, I mean. Jill I feel like you don’t get to have all of this fun in the end of the movie if you don’t put in the work at the start of getting through the build up. Dion Yeah. And by chopping it up and following. Quinny Yeah, you’ve gotta get to know the characters. Dion Yeah. And chopping up and following people with different experiencing not the same time from a different perspective, but also like different times at different perspectives. Once you understood the establishment of the character. Jill Yeah, but you kind of start to get little other pieces in within these people stories so that you can, like, try to build what’s happening before it’s just revealed to you in the movie. So like you as an audience are actually doing work in the film. Dion Yeah. Speaker 6 Hmm. Quinny Too. I like that. I really like the feeling that it was showing me things. But I wasn’t. Being spoon fed them exactly and there are certain things that they showed and implied, but never actually said. So you have to make the assumption that that character did that. They may not have, but did fairly heavily implied. I live with that. I love being asked as an audience to put a little bit of thought in. Speaker 6 Yeah. MHM. Dion Crazy concept. Look, Speaking of James, I actually have a James Heavy trailer for this. Just goes on about that. We’ll do that and then come back and try not to spoil, but still talk about. Speaker 7 Oh, OK. Dion It a bit more depth, OK. Speaker I’m calling about the $50,000 reward. For information about the missing kids. Because I know. Where they are. Filter. Help me. Help me. Come on. Please help me. Dion Oh yes, we. Yeah, that was James. He was the the junkie, and he had tent and a very bad experience in a tent. Jill Sure. Just sure, we’ve all had a bad experience in the tent. Quinny Yeah, yeah. Mine was really intense. Dion Ohh George yes, and thankfully for people who haven’t seen it. And you’re like, no. Speaker ah Jill You up for that one? Dion Thank you. I’m like, yeah, yeah, but. It’s a really it’s. It’s so good how it makes you go. ****. I don’t wanna know about that, but it gives you an understanding back when you like, I feel like. Having watched it and then you look at all of the tents and and spooky scenes that were through earlier in the movie, you’re like, ohh, that’s not that spooky when you really think about it. It was our own imagination making it spookier than we thought. But again, of course no like. Speaker 7 No, sure. Quinny Like it’s scary. Dion Yeah. Quinny It’s it’s interesting, I think I said to you guys afterwards, I I thought we were going perhaps to go in a different direction with it. So there’s a there’s a Stephen King short story that I love super short, like, only like 5 or 6 pages or something like that called suffer the little children. It’s in one of his short story collections and it’s about a teacher. Who starts seeing out of the corner of their eyes their their primary school kids? As like little demons like you know that they’re they’re wrong. They’re twisted. There’s something ****** ** about them, but only out of the corner of their eyes. So when they turn and look at them. Jill Ohh, I see kids like that all the time. Quinny Yeah. So that’s just being a teacher. But then, yeah, one day teacher goes and 1 by 1 calls all the kids at her office. Cool. Yeah. And I thought maybe we were going to go into that direction and I was like, because that’s one. Of my favorite stories, but it’s still ****** **. Dion Yeah, the welcome to. The thing about the unreliable like characters that we’re we’re following here and like I think yes, Karina, I’m not. I don’t want to talk about the spoiler of the twists, that of why is it like, why is this all happening? Mainly because I don’t think it’s it. It doesn’t do anything to give you. A reason to go see the movie. Speaker 6 Hmm. Dion I’d rather talk around it and let people go and see it and say, hey, did you like that? Cause it’s ****** **, isn’t it? Like I don’t really. Jill Yeah, like, don’t be like my mother who told me that. Bruce Willis was dead the whole time, so that I don’t even bother to watch 6th sense. Yeah. And to this day have not watched it. Dion You know, Jill, I gotta say I’m. I’m. I’m with you on that because it was spoil. It was spoiled for me in the break room at at a work thing. And I was like, ohh. And they’re like, oh, you haven’t seen I’m like, no, because it came out yesterday. Jill What’s the point? There. Yeah. Thanks. Speaker 6 Thanks. Quinny Yeah, yeah, I remember. Dion So I’ve never actually watched it. Quinny Trying to watch like Battlestar Galactica, the the 2000 series, and then somebody said to me, oh, I can’t believe that such and such and such and such and such for the final styles. And I was like. What the ****? And they’re like, ohh. It’s a joke. And I’m like you weren’t ******* joking. Dion Thanks. Quinny That’s cool. Well, I got to interview them this ******* weekend. So great. Dion Well, look, the the I think the the the non spoilery things I can say about it is that I was disappointed with. Was that the whole mystery is all about the kids. All right. Speaker 6 Dion And then you really don’t get a good resolution with the kids. Jill Yeah. Dion And it’s just a little bit you, you, I understand why they did the things that they did, but there isn’t. There isn’t a great resolution really. Jill Yeah, I feel like you don’t always have to have that in a film. Speaker 7 No, and there is something. Jill It’s like we said, like it was. It was really. The journey of the movie that was the reward. Dion I got to say by the end of it, like the the kid who plays Alex, Carrie Christopher, he like I didn’t give a **** about. Jill Gorgeous little kid. Dion I yeah, I I was really disappointed with that kid right up until towards the end. And then I’m like ohh, that that kid did a really ******* good. Like having to do with a lot of adult themes and adult concepts by the end. And you’re like, holy ****, that kid is either gonna be a freaking St. or the devil. Quinny And I do like that whilst it’s avoiding tropes all over the place, you know, and it’s doing everything it can to try and not be the obvious or whatever you do still end up in a haunted house in a way. And you know it, it’s becomes. Speaker 6 Yeah. Jill Yeah, with your don’t go in the basement moment. Quinny I know you. You’ve got 100%, you’ll do not go in the basement moment. And I was like, yeah, cool. We’re we’re. You know, we’re hitting on those things because I do think there is something like really archetypal about certain ideas and horror concepts. And being chased around your own house. Is terrifying, and people that you know not being themselves is terrifying. Yeah, yeah. Dion You know, and now you’ll never look at a kid in a playground running like that with their arms out. Being a plane without going whoop. Quinny Have you ever Naruto run? Dion Didn’t you? You asked that question. Jill God, I I. Have dignity. Quinny I asked it off microphone. Jill I have dignity I. Quinny Thank you. Jill Run. Quinny I have seen so many people Naruto run around conventions. Jill I bet you. Quinny Have you know I’ve seen so many *******. Jill Yes. Yeah, they don’t do it ironically either. Quinny You. This. No. And I just wonder, I I I look at this and I was like, was that intentional? Did they know that they were doing that? Oh, isn’t it? No, no. Jill This is not a Naruto. Arm is like the arms have to be out back behind you, yeah. Dion Out. Yeah, they’re gonna be. Quinny Ohh. OK, right. Sorry, right, right. Just like. Jill This was like. Dion Yeah, this is just. Jill Just to the side. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of straight down kind of thing, but I mean don’t take anything you see on anime and try and replicate it and realise you’ll just hurt yourself. Quinny Yeah. Or someone. Dion Else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all parties. Quinny Teapots. Right. OK, yeah. Dion Fair enough. Kind of planking. If only they were yelling, skippity rears when they ran around. Quinny Yeah, like there are. There are so many really good, very quick jump scares. Like, you know, there are there’s moments in a bed, there’s moments, you know, all over the place where you just like, really good. Momentary jump skis, but it also does that very clever thing of going we’re building up to a a jump scare and then we’re going to give you something that isn’t the jump scare. But. That can be really obvious. Like we all know that if you’re gonna build up to a jump scare, you’re not gonna give us the jump scare. You’re gonna add in a a thing. This one I was like actually that were pretty good. Like they weren’t fake outs or anything. These felt like something that still maintained the tension. Speaker See. Dion See, I really wish we’d had been able to arrange it earlier for you to have seen, barbarian. I get before this. Speaker 6 One going on about barbaric. Jill We keep talking about it. We keep talking about it, but only. Dion Like. Jill For a very good. Speaker 7 Reason. OK so so. Dion I warn you, I. Don’t you, Connie? It’s not a fun watch. I’m not recommending this to you because I think you’re gonna have a good time. I’m recommending it for you because all of the tense and scary things that you kind of felt from weapons, you’re going to get in barbarian again. Quinny OK so. Can you give me a like give me a vague synopsis of what barbarian is about. Dion It’s about the dangers of Airbnb. Jill Yeah. Quinny Oh, right. Dion Sounds boring, huh? Definitely not. Jill Yeah, but Justin Long is in it, but. And he’s the red herring. Speaker 6 Eh. Quinny Right, so This is why you were all very excited when. He showed up in this. Jill Yeah. We’re Justin long shows up in a horror movie. Yeah, right. Dion As the thing like. It’s it’s done it it, it does a little bit of vignette things where it sort of takes the the two things it’s like it’s following Justin Long and it’s following another character. And they’re both standing at the same Airbnb and then it’s following one. Jill Yeah, there’s like, a really good fake out in the beginning because you’re like, ohh, this is very much going to be this thing and then it’s not. And then you’re like, but wait, what the **** is actually happening? Dion Yeah. Yeah, it’s like. Yeah. And by the time you find out what the **** is actually happening, you’re like. What the **** is happening? Jill Yeah. And you’re like, why and why and why? Dion No, no. And then it. Speaker Speaker 6 Yeah. Dion Just turns out it was just really, really ******* creepy. Speaker Yeah. Dion Yeah. Anyway, but it is more. It is more your traditional horror. Speaker 6 Yeah. Dion You know. Quinny Right cause I I looked at that and I thought it sounded a bit more like the torture pointy kind of things like. Speaker 6 This. Jill Body horror elements in it, that’s for sure. Dion There’s a little bit of torture **** because I’ve gotta also say there was just that thing of like, I don’t want to be in that situation and it’s a bit too graphic for me. Yeah, but you don’t like, you know, it’s. It’s just a good. It was the start of the way of building tension and and confusing you by going. We’re going to present you with a thing that says you’re going down this road, but it’s just going to kind of keep going. And then it’s actually like, wait. I was on on a road at all. I was actually on a lake. How did I get in this lake? And I’m not in a boat. What is going on? Quinny Sorry, I just I wanted to look up torture **** films cause I’m trying to think of it and particular one. Jill What kind of results did you? Quinny Just get well. Yeah, it was not a. Good time hostel. That was the one that I was trying. To. Find the name of hostel and hostel too. Speaker 6 Yeah. Quinny But I love it. Jill Ohh, not not hostile you’re saying hostel? Quinny Hostile. Sorry. Yeah. Like that was one of those ones where it’s just like, you know, bad things happen to people. Human centipede, that kind of thing, bad things happened to people. It’s about the the torture. Speaker Oh. Jill Yeah, yeah. Quinny Salo. 120 days of sort. Sort of I was. I’m looking down this list, and I’m like, oh, yeah, I remember that when I run into that one. Yeah. Yeah. OK. And then I get. Justin Bieber never say never like. Well done to whoever ******* wrote that. Jill Well done. Quinny List because that was. Comic timing, like you wouldn’t believe. Speaker Ohh dear look. Dion There’s, you know, like, weapons isn’t a perfect film. There are some beats, I think didn’t quite. Planned and some decisions, as you said like it it goes a bit strange in the end. You’re like you’re going to go with it or you’re just going to be like oh. Speaker 6 Hmm. Dion That’s sure that’s. Stupid. It’s like, no, I was. Yeah. No, I was 100% there for it too. Quinny I I yeah, I actually thought and I said to a couple of people, I thought it let off the the accelerator a little bit when they introduced the. Dion The reason? Quinny The reason? Yeah, like the to me when we started to get a few answers as to what was causing this, I felt like the tension ratcheted down a little bit. Dion Yep. I feel like they’ve they’ve followed that through with the comedy though, but they did ramp back the they did get back to the tension as they try to resolve everything as you get to the resolution. Speaker 6 Hmm. Dion You’re wrapping. You’re ramping that sort of thing up again. Yeah. I thought they did it quite well. And, you know, the the end of it was. Fun. Jill I think it’s just like we’re going to blow off all. Of the steam that. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Of this movie? Yeah. And we’re going to do it in a comedic way, just to kind of like, yeah, that all out, you know. Dion Yeah. I mean, I feel like by the end of it, the audience was all kind of like, oh, ****, that was weird and ****, and I don’t know, but it was much more. Or interesting to to see that whole audience who had who had. Spent. You know good hour and a half tense as ****, absolutely sitting there going. What the **** is happening? I don’t want to be in this audience or thankfully, we’re all experiencing this together to then have a bit of a OK, well, OK, ****. OK. What was that all about? And I love confusing a confused audience. Not a confused. Speaker 6 Hmm. Dion Audience like why was Ice cube in an ad for Amazon for 80 minutes? But more like that. Was that good like I had that the thing when at the end of it I was like, is that was that a good movie? Speaker 6 Yeah. Quinny And I think people will take away from it what they what they will, you know, they’ll they’ll either enjoy bits of it or they want or they’ll find that some of it worked for them and some. Of it didn’t. Yeah, but. It’s done very well. That’s something that I do, you know, I’m happy to report that it’s. Done a lot better than most of the other films were released this weekend. Jill Quinny Like based on its budget and everything, it’s kicked the **** out of a couple of much bigger films. Jill Good for. Quinny Them. Yeah, one of them being freakier Friday. Dion Look, I’m. I’m. Jill The Disney cash grab. Dion I’m happy that Zach Cregger, you know, survived the bidding war for weapons. Speaker 6 Yes. Dion And that Jordan Peele fired a couple of people over not getting it. Jill Ohh, Jordan Peele movie coming out soon. Him. Dion Oh yeah. Yeah. Yes, but he was. Yeah, he was trying like Jordan Peele was trying to get Zach Craig as, Umm, spec script for his production company and did not get it. And then fired two of his management people for not getting it. OK. And I’m like, OK, but the really interesting thing I think for the next project that has been announced for this director is the Resident Evil reboot. Oh ****. And he’s writing directing. It. Ohh so it was like OK. Interesting. Yeah. Hmm. I mean, you never like a franchise with an established fan base, and many temps is fraught with peril. Yeah, absolutely. Speaker Yes. Jill But it means we don’t have to see *******. Milla Jovovich wheeled out again. Dion You’d leave Miller alone. She’s the supreme being. Quinny I mean. I love that they even attempted another reboot a few years ago and just nobody paid any attention to. Dion It. Yeah, I love that even one of them was a 3D1, which was like, you know, your franchise is in trouble when you’ve gone through an era of 3D coming and going again. Like jaws, jaws through the return jaws, three Jaws 3D. Like what the ****? Speaker 6 Hmm. Dion Anyway. Quinny Trying to remember what that ******* ohh yeah. Resident Evil. Welcome to Raccoon City, you know? Yeah, the one that nobody paid any attention to at. All. But it mean. Dion Yeah, you know, look had no Miller in. Quinny It. Dion It’s. Quinny Oh well, look, I’m. I’m keen to see what he does next. Absolutely. And if he can make Resident Evil work? Cause like to me, I think that’s that’s not actually it shouldn’t be that hard. Like resident evil’s. Jill Yeah, it’s really not. It’s such a straightforward premise. Quinny Yeah, if you do a good solid zombie film and you use the characters that are in the in the games, it’s not that hard. I would ******* love to see this guy have a go at Silent Hill. Jill Yeah, that could have been. Quinny Like. Jill Silent Hill would have been better than Resident Evil. For this guy. Quinny Yeah, I think he’s his. Disturbing. Jill Because this guy is like, so good at, like, suburban. Dystopia. Quinny Yeah. Jill So I think like silent. Hill would be perfect for. Quinny Him absolutely. Dion Is am I the only one who didn’t mind the Silent Hill film that came out with rider? Mitchell, like I thought it was alright. Quinny No, I quite liked it. If the. Dion Freaky and the and the Borg Queen as the evil witch woman. Speaker 6 Yeah. Quinny That was another one where I was like, OK, it it started really well, did some really good creepy stuff and then ended poorly. But yeah, I quite like that. Speaker Sure. Dion I mean, I’ve I I’m I I think with in return in in the idea of Zach Gregor. I’m kind of like just let him cook. Don’t give him a franchise. Don’t let him don’t make him do other **** just like no let him do his stories he’s doing quite well at the moment. Jill Yeah. Dion Of just. That’s true. Going barbarian? Yeah, that’s a good one. Weapons pretty good. You know what’s the next one? And I don’t pitch quinnie. Go for him and say, like, can you make a the same horror film, but everything you shot during the? Hi. Quinny I would love to see somebody ever go. On. It I haven’t watched Midsummer so. Dion Really. Quinny Yeah. Dion It answers the question who would you like? Would you prefer a bear or a man? Speaker 8 Yes. Dion In the wheel. Quinny I don’t know because I always looked at that and I thought it looked a little bit, Wicker Manish, but now I’m completely confused as. To what that may actually be that. Dion Yes, but it’s a woman, so it’s a Wicker woman. Quinny Ohh. Dion Sorry, there are no. Ease. Quinny Good, because they weren’t me in the ******* original. Dion Film No, but there was in the Nick Cage one. Quinny Don’t don’t say it. Speaker 7 Not. Why would you mention? ******* ohh. You broke my legs. Dion It’s very bad, it’s. Yeah, Speaking of Speaking of bad, what are we doing next week? Quinny Oh, oh, well, well. Speaker Oh. Jill Hopefully it’s not a bad show, yeah. Dion Two shows having a bit of. It
K-Pop Demon Hunters K-Pop Demon Hunters sounds like a joke title, but this action packed adventure/romance/musical/ martial arts action film… is really something different! The surprise animated hit of the year which has been not only smashing streaming video records (thats Netflix for ya), but also demolishing the music charts (Golden hitting no. 1 on Spotify!) is something nobody saw coming, but now that it’s here we may never be the same! Its a heady mix of Korean mythology, flying swords-person action, heartbreaking romance, radical self acceptance and all with a K-Pop soundtrack that lets be clear… absolutely slaps. We have a special guest for this show, with our beloved Ardella (Bec) chiming in to profess her undying love of this unexpected gem! Dion may have his demonic grump on, but Jill and Quinny both are singing from the hymn-book of hon-moon creation. Synopsis K-Pop Demon Hunters” tells the story of a K-pop girl group, Huntrix, who are also demon hunters, tasked with protecting the world from demons and their king, Gwi-Ma. They use their music to maintain a magical barrier called the Honmoon and work towards strengthening it into the Golden Honmoon, which would permanently banish demons. Their mission is complicated when a rival demon boy band, the Saja Boys, emerges, stealing their fans and weakening the Honmoon. https://youtu.be/gsMp_Oq-_mY As always, a musical magical thank-you to the K-popping demon hunting divas who join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEDT. And an especially huge thanks to any of the glow stick waving uber fans who are kind enough to support us by programming a tip in our jar via Ko-Fi, or subscribing on twitch… every bit helps us to keep the honmoon strong and if not golden, a bit bronzed… If you feel so inclined drop us a sub we really love them, The more subby mc-sub-faces we get, the more Emotes You get! https://youtu.be/3JTVQTk36R8?si=CPEwLl_mx84YG1Iw https://youtu.be/yebNIHKAC4A?si=ImoyGFkIO-pC3a99 https://youtu.be/983bBbJx0Mk?si=_B-EAl_rChUeZ8c0 WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too! We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript Dion Ohh hello and welcome to the periodic Table of awesome. Well, we’re getting on to this Tuesday night, going down the good old road of something Netflix. Are you related? Hello. Yes. Quinny Hello, we’re going down. And we’re going down, down, down. Speaker 3 I know. Quinny What, John, why aren’t? Dion You singing. I don’t understand the concept. What the **** is happening? This is not a regular. Hi. My name is Dion. I’m joined tonight by Queenie and I’m joined by Jill. And I’m joined by Beck. Pop. Hello, pop. It’s been a while. Thanks for joining us. This one. Quinny Hey, welcome back. Dion Because yeah, for your viewing pleasure, you’re helping us talk about K pop. Ardella I am. I am this cultural phenomenon has been on repeat in my household for the last month, so I’m thrilled to talk about it. Speaker Hi. Jill Oh. Dion Oh. Ardella On the Internet. Dion A month. Quinny Yeah, yeah. Ardella OK, we are late to this party. Dion I am but I I’m 100% late to this party only because. Yeah, sorry. Quinny All right. Dion Good to you. Quinny No, no, no. I like I said, I actually talked about it. I don’t know the weekend it came out or the like. I watched it because I had nothing else on. I was sitting on the couch and I was like, that looks entertaining. I’ll just put that on in the background. And was then kind of like this is ******* cool. And then when in the next episode, I’m like Jill, Jill, Jill, you gotta you gotta check it out. You gotta check it. And she’s like. Jill Like, leave me alone. Otherwise I won’t watch. Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. And then the. Quinny It was like Jill, Jill, Penny, Penny, Penny, Penny, Penny, and she’s like, leave me alone. Jill Next, let’s do yeah. Sorry, it’s it’s the Aries. You can’t tell me what to do. Quinny Yeah, the license. Ardella Can I just say though, despite being one of the longest bloody trailers in the world, I. I’m so impressed by how little it manages to give away, and I wonder if we can manage to give away a similar level of not spoilers. Jill Yeah. Quinny Yeah, we can. We can. I mean we can. We also do a. Spoilery bit after we’ve done the thing, but. Ardella I remember how this works. Quinny OK, OK. Ardella I also remember that we often suck it, not giving too many spoilers in the free spoiler bit. Quinny This is a good point. Well made. Jill OK, we’re going to be as vague as. Quinny Possible. Yeah. So how did your come to it? Did you just find it on Netflix? Did did somebody recommend? Jill It to you. I know. Yeah. Somebody annoyed. Me to watch it, yeah. Dion No, Quinn. He made me watch it. Ardella Yes. Yeah. Did he tape your eyelids open and struck you to the chair? Yeah. Dion Yeah, it’s 100% Clockwork Orange, me. For this but but I’ve got this. Speaker 1 Yep. Quinny And I’m not sad. I’m not. I’m not. Embarrassed about that? Dion I’ve got this weird. Sort of tick now that I have to keep kind of doing this and I feel like I need to do choreographed dances every now and again. So I don’t know what’s happening. I don’t know anything about. Jill Can teach you. Quinny See, I don’t think we were fully aware that Beck was as into this as not as until like you you posted a video to us. You’re like look at. Dion Excellent. Speaker 4 This did you dance? Dion Like ohh OK, you know, we’re gonna talk about stuff that, like quite blatantly. I have absolutely no ******* idea what’s going on. Jill I mean. Dion We might as well open the floor up to people who do know what the **** is. Ardella Going on, but have you watched it dear? Dion Yes, I watched it from the start to the last song. Ardella Great. How? How the **** do you still? Have no idea what is going on then. Dion Have you seen the film? Ardella It’s a very cromulent storyline. Speaker 2 No wonder. Dion Here’s what’s going on. They’re just doing things on screen and singing songs and going. This is good. Yeah. And you’re watching it. Jill Yeah, pop music is a part of Concepto dialog. OK, yeah. Dion Sure. Ardella Dion should never go and see a. Jill Thank you. Speaker 13 Musical is what? Ardella We’re hearing this is an even musical. Quinny No, no. Speaker 13 Devil story. Dion No, this isn’t far off though. Speaker 13 Season. Dion This is it. Musical level storytelling and I watched it. And I’m not saying like things are bad or weird or out of my comfort zone. It’s just it’s not really for me. Speaker 3 Dion And that’s OK, you know. Ardella You’re allowed to be wrong. Jill He often is. Quinny Also I I will point out that that Dean had had a very, very long bad day by the time that this came onto his screen and I kind of get the feeling that it was like. Speaker 4 Oh. Quinny Is that a reasonably accurate description deal? Dion Look, you know I’m not. I’m able to separate church and state here. I can understand the value of something even though my personal opinions may have coloured it slightly. That being said, I still don’t really know what’s going on in Capot demon. Jill Would you? Would you like this is not. Speaker 4 Let’s let’s have us. Dion I mean, sure, if you think I’ve got it, I wonder if I’ve got any music somewhere. Hang on a second. Quinny Yeah. Yeah. OK. K pop. Hang on. What voice am I doing? Speaker 13 Nothing, right? Quinny Well, that’s it. Somebody else better do. Dion Ohh no. Quinny OK, K pop demon hunters tells the story of A K pop girl group called Hunt Tricks, who are also demon hunters tasked with protecting the world from demons from for their king Guimar. They use their music to maintain a magical barrier called the honeymoon, and work towards strengthening. Hit into the golden Hon moon. Which would permanently vanish. Ardella Day and age of Tik toking. And if you’re my age, Instagram, reeling a week after it’s appeared on TikTok. We’ve basically have a a huge collection of people who’ve basically seen half the movie through real. Or tick tocks and then go. OK, I may as well go and watch this movie now. So I think that a lot of people have had that experience when Quinny mentioned it. I then was like, let’s watch the trailer for this and was on board after watching the trailer and. Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Ardella My partner and I sat down and. Watched it over Friday night. We were amazed by the number of layers that this movie has that you do not get from the trailer, and I was on board just with what that surface level stuff was already. Quinny Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was the thing that surprised me. It was just the the like from a trailer, like or because I didn’t even see a trailer. I just saw it pop up on Netflix, as you know, the the, The little preview that starts playing. And I was like. Ardella Yeah, that’s the trailer. Quinny Well, but it I didn’t even watch the whole thing like it was just sort of there in the background and I was. I don’t know what that is. But **** it looks cool. Dion Did you just hit it like a fricking pokie machine button? As soon as it popped up, you were like chin, let’s do this. Quinny My good addition. Yeah, sorry, Jill. You’re gonna. Jill Say something. Yeah, I think at the time, quinny, when you said. Hey, Jill, have you watched K pop demon hunters yet? I think my best friend had also watched it and had, like. Posted a story about it and all I heard all over Instagram was the the main song from it Golden. It was on everything and not just like animated clips of the movie, but like just people’s reels. They’re using that song. And so I was like, oh, no. Speaker 4 Hmm. Jill This is the hype zone. Jill doesn’t like being. Speaker 4 5th. Jill In the hype zone. Jill wants to avoid ever watching stuff that gets into the hype zone. I still have not watched Everything Everywhere, all at once because it got too hyped, so this was heading in that direction and went. Queenie, when you said to me, have you watched it yet? I was like, I’ll get to it. Ardella Was interesting that you mentioned that Jill, because there are theme crossovers. Jill Yeah. So I don’t push me. But then I. Kept hearing the bloody music. I’m like ****, this is a catchy song and then I think it got to like the following weekend and I’m like, I’m not gonna talk to anybody about this, but I’m gonna watch. Speaker It. Jill And I was like, oh, that’s great. Quinny Because I’ve seen so many people who, like, have watched it, and then it’s just become their whole personality. Jill Ohh yeah, I mean that was on heavy rotation like the album it was. It became a hyper fixation for a. Quinny Yes. Jill Week. Dion Wait, so can I just get this one like coming into this just a little bit blind, you know, from this whole stuff. So you’re telling me that there are real people in the real world that saw the small part of this and it’s become a hyper fixed? Speaker 4 Yeah. Dion Which is mirroring the fact that the fans of this band in the fake world have a hyper fixation problem. Ardella So interestingly, interestingly, the soda pop song by the Demon Boy Band for a very long time there took over the charts from the actual you know, K pop boy band of the moment BTS. Quinny You say? Speaker 4 Oh yes. Dion The soju boys. I love the soju boys, they’re great. Speaker 4 Ohh I love some soju. Quinny Beck, how do you feel about this? Pineapple surgery. Speaker 1 What? Dion Soulja boys. Jill I like the lemon one, it’s. Dion Delicious. Jill Kind of funky, but it’s good. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the one with the six pack. Ardella But what’s what’s really interesting about the soundtrack to this as compared to a traditional musical, is in a traditional musical, you’ve always got that one song that everyone skips or tunes out goes to the bathroom during it’s usually the one that the token old man sings. Jill Ohh OK. Speaker 13 But. Ardella If you think about it, is. Quinny It’s the talk singing 1. You give it to the guy who can barely sing. Jill Ohh yeah yeah. Jeff Goldblum. Number in wicked. Yeah, exactly. Ardella There are no low points in this soundtrack and. Quinny In new tiles. Ardella I think even. The one song that when I was watching the movie for the first time I was like, this is kind of my bathroom breaks on. When I went back and listened to the soundtrack. Speaker 13 Through by. Ardella Wolf it was still a banger. I was still singing along. I was still fully on board. I was finding all the hidden messages in the lyrics. I don’t think there is a a dud on this soundtrack. Quinny Nope. And as of 2 days ago, Golden went to literal #1 on the Billboard chart like it’s ******* stupid. Ardella Something that’s really cool about the creatives behind this entire movie is that the movie has so many authentic South Korean cultural elements to it that it has become huge in South Korea as well. And many, many people there. Speaker 3 Hmm. Ardella Absolutely love it, which is so wonderful because there have has been a lot of outcry in the past about South Korean culture being misrepresented. And this is a wonderful example of cultural appreciation rather than appropriation, and one of the reasons behind that is that they have actually included many South Korean genuine K pop stars and producers, writers, and the singing voice of. The main main individual from home tricks. She was a K pop star in training who went away to go to school and stopped Kpop training. And when she came back to try and be a K pop star they told her she was too old and couldn’t do it. Anymore. And so she became a writer and a producer. Of K pop music instead, and now is singing on this and has gone to the top of the charts so incredibly hard. And I think that that lends this incredible authenticity to it, but also is kind of like a stuff you to the industry at the same time, which is amazing. Dion Because it’s look, it’s a curious thing about the the making of it, because actually, yes, I did. I watched the whole thing and then I even watched the credits where they showed all the behind the scenes bits of the people in there. And I thought that was really interesting. And then reading more about it and trying to find out more about it. I was like, oh, that’s interesting that they have. A bunch of Korean American. Others. Doing the voice work, but then a bunch of South Korean singers doing the song work and I was just a little bit like oh, oh, OK like why, why the need for the split like? Ardella They’re two different skill sets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quinny You you don’t find that many actors who can sing that ******* well. Like who can sing to the level that is required of. Ardella Yeah. The vocal range in golden is outstanding. That is like 3 octaves of belting. That’s insanity. Dion I’m asking the question to not because I’m attacking the I’m not asking the question because I might. Why? They have to get more. You know, why is it a whole bunch of different sort of people in there? Jill Deon, Every Disney musical movie had a talking voice actress and a singing voice actress as well. It was. Dion I’m pretty sure John Oliver did all the singing for his parts as Zazu, right? Ardella Not all. Yeah, not all of them. I think the more recent ones like Moana, the. Dion Of course I know. Jill Yeah. The more, yeah, I mean, the classic ones, I mean the ones from the. Ardella Voice actor sings as well. Jill 90s when we were kids. Ardella Yeah. Speaking of which. Dion Sure. Jill Yes, the travesty of casting Leah Salonga in this movie. Ardella Yeah. And then giving her 30 seconds of background vocals to do. Leah Salonga was the singing voice of Jasmine and Mulan, and is an incredible musical theatre. Jill Yeah, crazy. Ardella Actress and amazing singer and is in there as like the the main mentor character for the Huntress Girls. And has no real singing. It’s so background that I didn’t even notice when it happened. Jill It’s devastating, but. Quinny Yeah. Yeah. Like, like putting, I don’t know. One of the. Yeah. Mariah Carey is a background character. Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. Like what? Ardella Mariah would never let that happen. Quinny No, no, absolutely not. So what was it about it that that sort of caught your eye? Immediately because I know what put me on the back foot straight away and made me go. That’s different. But I’d love to. Know what you guys thought? Dion What? What? Yeah. So there’s two. There’s two parts in that which which caught your eye. And there was a bit that caught you on the back foot which. Quinny Was your question what? What caught your what? One you were talking about excited you, really. Grabbed you. What? Dion Was that what put you? What put you on the front foot? Linked you into this show? Quinny The. What? Yeah, yeah. Jill The music I think, like I I enjoy the odd K pop. I’m. I’m not a die hard. I’m not a I don’t have a bias. I’m not like fully into the K pop culture. But I do enjoy the music peripherally, and so I thought like the songs were so catchy. And then when I saw, like, some of the animated stuff, I’m like, ohh, that’s very reminiscent of the spider verse animation. And then I realized it was a Sony thing. And then I’m like, OK. Well, this is probably going to be good. Ardella Yeah. I think the thing that put me off was the time. Speaker 4 Well. Ardella What the hell is that? Title K pop Demon Hunters makes me think that this is trash and it is trash, but the best kind of crack trash. It’s amazing. Jill Quinny MHM. Jill OK, you know what? It’s 100% tapped into for me was the female power story, but based in music like. I was one of those kids that was like ohh yeah, I wanna be in a girl band like that was like one of my fantasy things when I was. A child, but. Also, like yeah, being a superhero too. And like Sailor Moon. Is so intrinsic for me. It really had those kind of vibes of like, you know, magical girls that can save the planet. Quinny Yeah. Yeah, that’s one of the first things I why I was like, ohh you would love it. Just for the magical girl factor. Like the the costume changes the. Speaker 4 What’s this? Quinny The that that very Sailor Moon kind of vibe. Ardella What’s so interesting for me about? The introduction, just the opening sequence was that. Speaker 2 Hmm. Speaker That. Ardella Funky kind of intro music. The the K pop music that it starts with reminds me a lot of earlier K pop when I was into it and some of my South Korean friends just roll their eyes at me because I think that my idea of K pop is like someone. These days, being like my favorite band is the Backstreet Boys. You know, it’s like ohh sweetie. Jill OK. Ardella There we go. Yeah, you’re you’re the the shush now, grandma. Everything’s fine. Because my my favourites were like the Wonder Girls. And you know quite quite early K pop. I think, you know, compared to what’s in today, but. Dion You can. Ardella It’s just so funky and fun, and the fact that. It immediately started with the classic K pop mixing of Korean lyrics in with English lyrics, and then the flip to rap in there as well, and the rap being in both Korean and English, it really grabbed me in that I was like, OK, this is. Actually K pop it, it’s not just in the name, they are actually going with it and I found it really interesting learning afterwards that the K pop element was the last thing to be added into this storyline. Dion Yeah. Ardella Interesting. Yeah, that that was the last kind of piece of the puzzle when they were developing this movie was creating it as a K pop story. Dion Which is very strange because I think the thing that made me. Sort of get on board a bit with it. Like a bit more was the fact that it was self aware enough to understand some of? The. Insanity behind massive mass market fandom? Not that anyone is immune to it, like it’s all around when you go looking hard and you know the West. The West has borrowed from the that that world very heavily in the past. Our last Spice Girls etcetera, etcetera. Quinny Not that hard. Dion Was the ability for it to just to be self aware take a bit of fun, have a bit of fun with it, and then continue on go like, yeah, we acknowledge that there’s this there is there is some weird **** that happens in that world and we’re just going to lean into it and understand that it’s part of it. And then move. For with the rest of it, you know, apart from the animation is great and the characters were somewhat likeable. Quinny There, there, there are two things that got me straight up. So initially looking at it, I thought oh, wow, this reminds me of what, KD A yeah, which, you know, is the the League of Legends K Pop group. And I was like, OK, we’re obviously kind of gonna. Yes. That’s the thing there. Dion Thank you. You’re not like you’re saying things like Katie and I’m like, wait, is it three letter acronym? Should I know? What the **** is going on here? Kill. Kill, death, aggression. Quinny K/BA. Dion Right, OK. So just just help me with. This it’s a foreign territory. Quinny They they are a a AK pop group that was done by the animation company that did League of Legends. So they’ve they’ve got a couple of songs that I actually have no idea how many songs they have about that. And I looked at that and I thought, OK, there’s a touch point. But the thing that and I have the same thing. Hip hop demon hunters. What a stupid ******* name. But watching it, I got to about 5 minutes in and the moment that they’re on the plane and. And they allowed their characters to be ugly and to do stupid faces. And they’re beautiful characters who are fully, you know, gorgeous and made-up, and everything are burping and, like, eating ramen and fighting like ******* demons. But at the same time, they are. Very, very comedic and and I was like oh. ****, this is really kind of like as as soon as I watch it. I was like, this is gonna play to a a female crowd so. Well because it’s not saying look at these perfect, you know, pristine things. These are people who just want to have snacks and lie on the couch and you know relax and be ******* normal. Humans, but at the same time, they want to be super powerful. You know, warlocks that are protecting the world from demons and **** like that. Like this is every little girl’s ******* dream combined and. I was like, holy ****. Jill Yeah, like women can be multifaceted. They’re not just put into one box. Quinny The power of that. Jill As one thing. Ardella They can, but there’s absolutely no way an actual K pop band would be allowed to pig out on. Speaker 4 Junk. Yeah, that’s the thing. It’s. Ardella That’s not happening in the real life world, I’m sorry to say. That is. I mean, when we think about. Dion But but but. The dropping in out of a plane? Sure. Speaker 4 Just. Ardella Kind of disbelief there. Day on. Yeah, carries through. It carries through. But I do think that it’s interesting having that acknowledgement of. I mean it, it’s it’s an an issue, an underlying issue. I think the treatment of pop stars and this isn’t just a problem in South Korea with K pop or in Japan with J Pop, although it’s a very similar kind of culture from my understanding, yeah, in the their K pop J pop. Machines that churn out these bands that are designed and kind of almost bread to create hype and money and. All of this, we see it in like Dan was saying in. The Spice Girls. Quinny Yep. Ardella As well, we see it in these manufactured bands that have been created to take our love and to take our money, OK. Quinny The eagles. Jill There’s literally another program on Netflix right now called building the band. Ardella Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I think it’s really interesting then to look at our K pop demon band. And see that they are. They’re they’re saying the quiet part out loud with with the demon boy band here. But the reality is that that is what all K pop bands are. They are there to take the love to take the energy and to take the money of their fans. And they’ve been created. Expressly to do that. And so I I just find that really interesting to have. That kind of duality on display where we’re saying no hunt tricks are the the good guys when the reality is that. All K pop bands are there to do exactly what the Demon Boy band are doing. Dion Yes. Quinny And that duality is also encompassed in the lead character as well that, yeah, there are so many elements of things that she is not comfortable with. There’s elements of her public perception that she’s not comfortable with and. You kind of like the stories of the three characters. You know that that one of them is the bad girl who doesn’t get on with her family. The other ones come from, you know, America and is is a a rapper, but she’s also really sweet. All of these things are. Prepackaged they’re made to make them assailable, you know, definable feature. Ardella A personality. Quinny Yeah, yeah, that people can latch on to, but then you’re also watching and going. Yeah, they’re really funny. And they’re really cool. And I like them. And, you know, they’re they’re little horn dogs. And they, they, they just turn into popcorn and. Dion Thank, thankfully. Yeah, I mean, thankfully, you know, they they expressed all those lessons and of course that was the end of it. And this is all we have when. There’s one. Oh, no. That’s why there’s going to be sequels and a TV show and a live stage show. And it’s like, oh, oh, no, the demons won. Ohh no. Jill That’s one thing that I I would like to talk about a bit more is like the actual structure of the story. I know we’re not gonna give anything away, but I was interested that it was a movie. TV and not a TV series because I felt like there could have been a lot more character development actually happened throughout a TV series. I wanted more about the back story of the girl’s mentor. I wanted a little bit more time with the Saga boys in the demon. From in general, yeah, just a little bit more fleshing out of story I thought would be great. Ardella Apparently it was originally 3 hours long and I. Saw. Someone, I think it might have been tally in the in the chat mentioned that earlier. Jill I’d watch 3 hours of this. Quinny Yeah, I’m there for, I mean. Speaker 3 Actually really. Ardella Joined a 90 minute movie though. Speaker 4 We have so many long. Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. Ardella *** films coming out these days and the pacing in this felt great. I would much rather be left wanting more than be left sitting on my couch, scrolling Instagram halfway through because I’m like, this is a this is a. Speaker I wanted. Jill Sure. Ardella Dull bed. Quinny Yeah, yeah, this is the song that I’m not into. And that’s the reprise of the song. I’m not. Into. Speaker 13 It’s the old man song again. Speaker Ohh. Quinny It’s something I did like though is is while I was watching it. I you know the first number I was like ohh yeah, this is pretty cool. And then within the 1st 13 minutes, there were three, you know, musical numbers, completely different songs. Like I was watching, and I was like, oh ****, this is a secret musical. It’s not that secret, but it’s a proper musical and that, I mean, for me, for my, my taste, that was ******* great sick. Amazing and like to your point, Dion, I immediately then go totally see. This is a stage. And to your point, Beck. Ohh one of you. I’m not sure who was. Yes, I could see it working as a series because there’s a lot more to explore, and while Dion, I know that you’re like the capitalist pigs, they’re just trying to make money out of the kids sometimes. That’s OK. Because this is a ******* cool story. Speaker 4 Yeah, I I mean. Ardella If you do like everyone wants our money, it is a we live in a society. Speaker Oh. Jill Here at the in the high points of the capitalism, my friend. Ardella Yeah, but I think that there is a a way that feel feels friendly and genuine to do that and this is hitting that nail for me. And there’s a way that feels inauthentic and. Speaker Hmm. Ardella Cash grabby and that’s not this at the moment. We’ll see how many spin offs they try and squeeze out of this and when it tips that line. Speaker Sure. Ardella But I think at the moment it still feels. Dion And in 15 years, when Netflix rolls back around and makes a live action version of the K pop Demon Hunters franchise, we will know hey. Yeah, now. Ardella Warm and flat. Quinny Ohh, so he said. They’re not doing it. Dion If you’re talking about. Quinny They they they got, they got absolutely ******* pilloried on the Internet when the initial run of things that they announced was live action. Make stage show and ongoing series. Everyone said do not ******* do this live action they. Dion Quinny. Went OK. Producers don’t care. It’s just that now there’s a lot of complaints. They’ll wait till they’re less complaints and then they’ll do it anyway for a tax break. That’s how the system works, quinny. Speaker 4 That. Quinny So you’ve got another K pop. Dion People. Speaker 6 Exactly. Speaker 3 For me. Speaker You know like. Dion Stuff will happen that way, unfortunately and sometimes, fortunately, anyway, philosophically. Ardella Well, the sequel has already been greenlit by Netflix, which is unsurprising given that this is apparently in the couple of months that it’s been out a month and 1/2 that it’s been out. It has already topped all other animated movies on Netflix for the most watched. Dion Yeah. And we’re a good time behind as we have already. Explain like in in terms of the pickup of this is that came out in June, you know and it’s now **** me, August. Quinny Yes. Speaker Yeah. Quinny That’s the official date. Dion Yeah, yeah. Every time I look at the calendar these days. Ardella It is now **** me. Dion I’m like ****. Anyway. Quinny I’m Jill. I want to know on your your new rating system, how many? How many tips have you got less after this? Speaker 4 ****. No. I think that’s a good. Jill 2 tips off. Dion Ohh no **** left. Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, I it it. Yeah, it. Put my ****. Jill Off I enjoyed it a lot more than I. Dion Jill is Jill is untited. Jill Was expecting to because like. I know Queenie loves animation and so his glowing review was like Oh well, it’s gotta be good. And then also my friend who loves K pop and and animation as well and even her husband who enjoys animation like both raved about it. So I’m like, OK well. This has got to be good. That kind of got me in to watch it, but it’s so strange that like. I then convinced my other friend group to watch it and they were all like, oh, this is very kiddy and every everybody else thought it was. It was quite junior, but I didn’t really. Get that read. Quinny No. Jill They were like ohh it seems like a bit of a teen bop kind of thing and I’m like, well, I am 15 years old. Guys like, that’s why I like it. Speaker 4 I think this. Ardella Is very Shrek adjacent in the figure. Pitch the kid. TV like category if you want to put. Jill Yeah, but there’s. Ardella It there, but it’s so grown up. Jill This was the stuff for the horn bag older women like. Speaker 4 Is that what you say, Shrek? Yes. Quinny She’s not. Dion Shrek can get it. Speaker I mean. Dion Shrek can’t get. I mean, sorry. Before we go into the ratings, which we should do soon to try. Speaker 4 Yeah. Quinny No, no. We need to talk about so. Dion And keep in time. Quinny Many more things. Dion Yeah, there are many things to talk about. The the Quinny, you did raise a point to me the other day talking about K pop demon hunters, which is going. Yes, it’s an interesting comparison, like an interesting comparison film to perfect blue, which we talked about recently too and. Speaker 2 Yeah. Dion I was like. You may have a point. Jill Maybe not a companion piece. Dion There. Quinny I don’t know. I think I think they’re a fantastic companion faced 11 after the other and just. Dion Thematically. Thematically, it’s it’s somewhat similar in in in certain ways, not not the same way, like let’s they’re too. Jill Ones are very dark and twisted version. Dion Exactly, but they both. Quinny Yeah, what’s when’s the demons we met. Along the way. Dion But they both talk about fandoms. They both talk about the some of the crushing nature of conformity and having to represent yourself as something you may not be, and the damage that that could do. And. And let’s be honest, yeah, it diverges. Very, very different. But there are interesting themes and it’s really interesting to me to think about that. That film made back in the 90s was like working out these problems then and how far we’ve come and how we relate to it. Now, how creatives are relating to that now in this space with, you know, capable demon hunters is like, yeah, look at all these. Things that are still pretty much a problem, but we’re going to acknowledge that they have been a problem and that, you know, these are the things and but we still keep going because we have good messages that we want to try to put out. And if we could all make some money, that’s. Great. But if we have competition, we will crush. It that’s one take away I got from from like K Pop bands is they crush each other. Speaker 1 Also. Dion As they can. Jill In the charts in the. Dion Yeah, it’s in the chat, but literally. Quinny Charts that I think you know differentiate some really very differently is that in perfect blue fandom is seen as being toxic and dangerous and bad. In this one fandom is is the beautiful glowing. Power of house that will save the world and die on your face. Is telling me that you ain’t buying any of this. Dion I think that’s a stretch. Ardella Ship, haven’t we all been in a a stadium watching a band that you love and just all singing along at once and just felt that that vibe? I mean, it’s what gets people into cult. So you know that it can be used for good or for ill. Quinny I was we we we both watched 11,000 with 11,000 other people. People rolled dice. Speaker 14 Yeah. Speaker 1 Yeah. Dion I mean I. Speaker 3 Yeah, it’s. Dion Went I went to the Jared Leto 1 and that was fine. I’m normal. Ardella It’s a powerful thing, is what I’m getting at, yeah. Quinny Yeah. Dion I get. Speaker Quinny You and in the chat a couple of people mentioned that there’s a comparison with the Puss in Boots, the last Wish, same automotive. Ardella I thought his favorite movie of all time. Dion I still haven’t. I still haven’t watched it. Even though you keep telling me I. I know. I know get that ***** kids. You know, like there’s only so many. Quinny Fine. Ardella Come here. We will. Clockwork Orange you again. Dion Alright, time to go to my friend’s house and be forced. Watched it or something. Quinny Yeah. Ardella That’s how I feel about the drunk DC. Watches that we’ve. Dion Oh yeah, we still gonna. Do that one. Quinny Hmm. Dion I still haven’t seen Aquaman 2. Can we bookend it? Which? One should go first, is it? Speaker 2 Oh. Speaker 13 I didn’t even know. Ardella There was an Aquaman. Ohh yeah. Speaker 4 Yes, ******* all. Dion Yeah. Anyway, OK, think of your think of your ratings. Yes, rate, rate and rate and spoil. Speaker 4 Should we right and then spoil? Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Quinny And if you have seen it in the chat, drop me some numbers so that I can put them into the thing I love. I love keeping an eye out for them. Dion Look, OK, I’ll look. I’ll start. Cause Get Me Out of the way. Why? Not. RIP the Band-Aid. Off, yeah, I look, I had a fun time because it was quite poppy and exciting and the animation is actually quite flawless. I like the characters all had a bit of humanity in them. They weren’t that way. U. Kind of. Everyone kind of worked. There’s definitely a saleable marketable thing going because that blue cat is why is that not a plushy already? Speaker 4 Oh yes. Quinny Going to tell you about the blue cat. Ardella Derpy is his name. Dion Derpy is great. Yeah. OK, all the like. It’s good. I can see the the bit of the franchise there. And I can also see. Speaker He loves derpy. Dion Me having to scream when I hear the song again after the yeah, yeah. Yeah. 100% not for me, but I will give it 75. Because yeah, like, I think it’s good. Like if someone said, hey, you know, should I watch K pop diamonds? I’m like, yeah, like, you know, I recommend it to people with small kids. I don’t recommend all the way up to people who are 75. Yeah. I was the whole gamut. You can get something out of it. There is a good message in there. Ardella 75 yeah. Dion And I think it’s quite a little hidden gem or. Unreleased jam, even if you don’t particularly like K Pop. Quinny Fair, Jill. Sorry. Jill Yeah. Look, I’m so excited to say that I have no tips after this film. It’s been a while. It’s been a while, but I am going to give it a 90. Speaker Off. Quinny We yellow. Jill Been a while since we’ve hit the nines for me, but I love that animation. There were just some moments where I was like. What am I watching like? This is just like the textures and everything were so ******* beautiful. There were moments where I’m like Christ, that looks almost realistic. Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Jill Loved how everybody had a personality. Everyone was like, different. Had their clerks had their faults, like had their beautiful moments. The only reason why it’s not getting more is because there were just some like small unresolved story things that I wish had been explored a little bit more, but. Other than that. We loved it. Quinny Heck, do you want to drop a number? Ardella Quinny Nice. Ardella I’m a harsh marker, but what can I say? It’s interesting that you mentioned the animation, Jill, because one of the beautiful things that I’ve learned is that the hunt tricks characters our protagonists are animated in a very traditional way, which means that every second frame they move. Whereas our demon Boy band animated differently where they move every single frame and there are certain times at where it’s poignant in the movie where they swim. Speaker Which? Ardella Ohh and so there’s there’s lots of super cool things that happen behind the scenes that we don’t consciously recognise, but it’s doing stuff to our brains and I think it’s really, really cool. So yeah, I think the more that I learn about this movie and the work that’s gone in behind the scenes, the more I love it. And that’s why it’s really reaching those top numbers. Quinny Oh. Dion You gotta respect a bit of filmmaking. Quinny Yeah. Dion Bit of craft work in there. Ardella Exactly. Quinny And and that’s very much like the first spider verse. Yes, where like they were animating different characters on different frame rates and you know the the attention to detail. And one of the things that gets me about this is the. The absolute love for Korean culture, but also Korean mythology, and it’s also going to be very, very interesting down the track. Seeing people cosplay from it because already there have been people who have gone to do cosplays of the Soulja Boys and so forth and have had to. That that question of appropriation or appreciation. Is very difficult around certain parts of costumes because the hats are an actual part of a very specific part of Korean culture that you really can’t **** with. Yeah. So like the fact. Ardella Historical Korean culture, not even current really Korean culture as far as I’m aware as well. Quinny Yeah. Hmm. So yeah, whipping one up out of warbler is is kind of not. Not cool, not kosher. And that kind of. Ardella Derpy is my next cosplay. Yeah. Quinny Thing. And when we come back from the the and everything, I will talk about Derpy because that’s another piece of amazing Korean history and culture right there. My rating is 95. I ******* watched the **** out of it and love the **** out of it. The like the music aspect of it, I I’m not a big K pop fan or anything like that. I I don’t listen to a lot of that music, but I didn’t care because it was super catchy. The vocals were insane. I love that mix of of like the three different voices and the three different styles. Of the girls like that, you know, one will drop into really American style rap, but they’re all capable of rapping. They’ll all take, you know, high parts, low parts. But at the same time, then mix it with a bunch of really cool choreography and and martial arts. Mix in some extra mythology, add some cute characters. I love the fact that you know secondary characters are given a bit of love to like. The band’s manager is. Not a ********. You know how ******* lovely is it that that you know, you’re not just going? Yeah. The traditional ******** band manager? No, he ******* loves. Dion Them. Did you not learn anything from Jersey and the Pussycats? What the? ****. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Yeah, I I just, I mean, as I was watching, I just kept thinking, Oh my God, this is this is a thing for a generation of of girls to watch and. And relate to and want to be and emulate and I suddenly understood that whole thing that all the girls in primary school would go off and learn dances. And then to tie that whole thing that that you know, people want to do of of singing and dancing with, like, spiritual power and empowerment and protectiveness. I was just like, **** me. So yeah, I got a little love for it. I really don’t have much bad to say about it, which is, I mean, I don’t want to give it 100 because that would be ridiculous, but ****** really enjoyed. Dion It you can give it a. Speaker 13 100 and that’s just the surface story. Quinny I know we haven’t even talked about what it all means. Dion Can’t wait for you to review the stage musical 350,000 out of. Quinny Review it, I’m going. To direct the. *******. Dion Which would you like to go? Would you like to meet the? Boys or yeah. With that one, we see who, who we. Talking about here, who are the Sargent boys? Sounds weird? Speaker Yeah. Speaker 3 Look normal. Speaker 5 Ohh yeah. Speaker 6 Come on. Take your time. Yeah. Speaker 14 Just like. Speaker Yeah. Speaker 2 Ohh hot. Speaker 3 You guys are so gross. Speaker 6 No, yet you go hot. Then we’ll go. He. Dion Ohh that is just harsh. No helping hand there whatsoever. So the Sarja boys are a bit of * ****, really, aren’t they? They’re just *****. Hot *****. Speaker Yes. Jill Yeah, but they’re hot. They’re hot. Speaker 4 Hot *****. Dion Yeah. Yeah, Jesus. Jill I’m going to tell you like we went to smash. What was it like 3 weeks ago? The artist Alley was chocolate block of K pop demon hunters. Art anything? Right with that tiger on, it was sold. Quinny Oh. Dion Right. Jill Out. Yeah, right. Good. There were. There’s a scene in the film where the both of the bands are Hunter Eggs and the Sergeant Boys are doing a meet and greet with fans. Quinny Oh my God. So. Jill And Abby, the gentleman with the. Tabs instead of signing a piece of paper with his name, he runs like pencil against a piece of paper on his ABS, and that’s his signature. There were drawings of that in the artist Alley for sale. The insanity. Dion I love Jesus. Yeah. I mean, OK question here. I don’t understand why I have questions now and spoil the logo is up and we’ll talk about spoil everythings if you like. Yeah, it’s been a month. It’s been out for quite a long time. I get derpy the thing. Jill Of this movie. Speaker 14 Yes. Dion But what was with the strange Game of Thrones crossover with the Three Eyed Raven? Speaker Quinny Do you want the? Speaker 4 It’s not a Game of Thrones crossover deal on. Dion Everything’s a Game of Thrones crossover. Ardella It’s. Quinny Heck, do you wanna take it? Ardella Quinty no quinny you take this, you are so keen. Quinny No, I was so keen. But I I mean, I’m guessing we’ve probably watched the same explainer videos and stuff. Speaker 13 No, I I read I don’t. Watch. Quinny Ohh God, within you actually. Jill Jesus, she’s an intellectual. Speaker 13 Exactly. Where’s my glasses? Quinny Just need to take these things off and becomes derpy. The ******* yeah, well. Dion You’re on. You’re on. Jill Stick your tongue out. Dion New media now not only this traditional lofi media that you may try. Speaker 2 Oh. Quinny Yeah. So OK, it’s not a Raven, it’s a magpie. And in Korean culture, the A, this is a it’s a historical joke. So the, the, the, the tiger and the magpie is the punchline of a historical joke. That tigers were traditionally shown as being the representative of the upper class and of rich culture, and specifically the governing class, and the magpie was the symbol of the lower class, the worker. Pass whatever and the hat which I’ve got to remember the name of. Thank you. If somebody wants to look it up for me, that’d be great. The hat is essentially a symbol of power. And so there’s a joke, or there’s a moment in there where the sorry. Dion It’s called a gap. It’s called a get, yeah. Speaker 4 Yeah. Jill Yeah, ginu ginu. Quinny So. Jill Said he made it for the tiger. Quinny So yeah, that’s the joke is that it’s a symbol of power that was meant for the tiger, but the magpie keeps stealing it. Speaker Ah. Quinny And so it’s the it’s a symbol that the lower class will always get one up on the upper class because the upper class is ******* stupid and that’s why he’s derpy. And you’ll see in a lot of Korean art, tigers are always drawn slightly cross eyed or just a little bit dumb looking. Jill Quinny And it’s because essentially, they’re just going upper class. The stupid look at the smart magpie with three eyes, you can see everything. Dion So this is exactly like parasite. Ardella Yeah, that’s what we’re saying. Speaker 4 Yeah. Dion No, just that that character representation of the blue cat and the magpie is just parasite as a metaphor. Quinny Yeah. Jill Yeah. Yep, yeah. Quinny And and it makes that sequence where where Derpy comes out and knocks over the plant and then just can’t get it to stand up way too long. Like ohh you stupid. Speaker Yes. Thank you. Dion But it’s good to know, you know, like, I like those little trivia bits. It’s fun. It’s fun to. Ardella Learn. Feel like I I was so. Impressed that for the first time I think ever. Speaker Hmm. Ardella A Netflix trailer. Managed to intrigue and make me want to watch more and actually get me invested in the story without giving away the actual plot. Yeah, there is. There is a very surface level plot being shown out there and I think now that people are, you know, watching more of the clips on TikTok and Instagram and that sort of thing and watching even the golden video clip, they’ll, you might get spoiled. Quinny Hmm. Ardella Before watching the movie, if you’ve seen all of that, but for me my first tip popped off in the opening in. Quinny In the you’re missing how many sticks are you missing? Ardella Well, I have lost the second hit for me when the pattern reveal. Speaker 7 Hmm. Ardella Happened in the. Speaker Ah. Ardella There was. It is very rare that any movie, a movie directed for adults with high levels of intelligence, they rarely get me with the whoa. What happened there was seeing that coming. This movie did that, I gasped. At that reveal, there were. There was nothing in me that thought that that was coming and that is so rare these days. I am so impressed that this movie called K Pop Demon. And so kind of surface level, you know, just fun on top, managed to have this flip. It had this beautiful level of depth to it. I just really loved that so much. I would have enjoyed, I think, a movie where it was just a, you know, magical girl. Banned fighting demons. I would have enjoyed that anyway, but this went a step further. Speaker Hmm. Quinny So in when we’re talking about the patterns and we’re talking about that, that reveal and that question about Rumi. What are the? Different like so I think that there are so many different layers of what it could mean. And I think one of the things that’s really smart about the film is that. It. Doesn’t specifically say it means any one thing. But what? What did you guys? Ardella Because they’re they’re waiting for the sequel or the spin offs or. Jill Yeah. So we’re gonna get the story that gives you the back story about, like who roomie’s father was and what happened to her mother and the the what were they called the Sunshine Sisters or whatever. Quinny Yeah. Speaker Yeah. Jill The. Quinny Yeah. Jill Band. Was and then we also need to have Gino come back because that was unfair how he went. Out. I know it was a beautiful sacrifice, but no, I want Ginyu back. Ardella He’s now in the blade, though. If you if you watch the sequence, you can see his spirit get pulled into the blade, which is an actual thing in Korean. Quinny Oh no. Ardella Mythology. Spirit blades. I believe. I believe I’m not Korean. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Jill OK, well I love. I love me as sexy anthropomorphize spirit coming out. Of the sword. So I’ll take. Yeah. Speaker 3 And then the grade. Ardella Changes once his spirit is absorbed into it, so you can see the two different forms of the the blades are. Jill I need to ******* watch this movie again. Don’t. Ardella Very, very cool. Speaker 13 I let’s go right now. Quinny Yeah, yeah. Dion Let’s see. We’re doing a watch along right now. Speaker 4 It’s. Jill Now become a live stream. Quinny So damn, what was your you? You had some different takes on on what, some of that meaning may have? Been. Dion Which what do you mean the the meaning of which the whole? Quinny Thing of the past. Dion There’s a lot going on me was there? Did I say something that I’ve I’ve undoubtedly forgotten since yesterday? Quinny On. Yeah, well, quite possibly. So, I mean there there’s, there’s that whole thing of like being, you know, intergenerational trauma, like of this is the Korean trauma. Of what? Their history is the split of the country, North and South Korea, which you can read into that. You could also read into it an LGBT thing of this thing that you have to keep hidden about. Yourself. And whether or not she’s allowed to be, especially in K pop, the idea that is she allowed to be who she actually is. Because that is not appropriate like that whole thing of you wearing marks on your. That. You have to keep hidden. I think it has a lot of meaning for a lot of different people for probably a lot of different reasons. Speaker 1 MHM. Ardella Yes, I would agree. I would hesitate to say that this is implying that Ruby is LGBTQIA plus at all, but I have 100% think that people who are LGBTQ a. Quinny No, not necessarily. Ardella Us could find a lot of parallels there. Quinny Yeah, I think that that’s sort of like that X-Men kind of thing. It’s like, yeah, no, we’re not saying that these characters are gay or whatever, but they are a fantastic. Ardella Except the ones that. Quinny Are. Yeah. So my my best X-Men guy. Ardella I think it’s really interesting. We’re seeing a lot of this storyline coming out in a lot of Asian and Asian American stories over the last decade especially, I’ve noticed a a real through line in a lot of the media that I’ve seen, at least. Where these cultures seem to be very much from an outsider perspective. Very much about conforming and not rocking the boat and being being part of a whole community that works well together because everyone kind of assimilates and and doesn’t step outside of the mold or make anyone uncomfortable. And I think yeah, exactly. I think that there is a lot of media coming out these days. Jill Yeah, homogeneous. Ardella And it’s interesting, Jill, that you mentioned Everything Everywhere all at once earlier, because that’s definitely part of the story behind that movie and and a real message in that movie is. Is that we need to allow the newer generations to be a little bit more unique and individual and celebrate that as something that is wonderful and and adds colour to our cultures and our societies, rather than being something that we should squash. Or avoid and to me, that’s what the patterns were and that’s what you know, was a a real underlying message behind this story is it’s not about conforming, it’s about celebrating what’s unique and individual about each of us. Jill Yeah. Quinny Yeah, I I did just check and and the reason I brought it up is because of the writer did say that the the intent was that it was a. Bit like coming. Out to your parents? Ohh, so she was. She was. It was a very deliberate piece to say hey, it’s like that. She’s not saying that Remy is, you know. Dion So coming out. Ardella I mean, could be you go off in your head cannons out there. Dion To your friends. Also coming coming out to your friends who have literally been trained to murder. You. Speaker 13 Your your partner. Quinny Yeah. Dion For the whole thing. Speaker 4 Yes. Dion Look, I like the little bit of the sort of Buffy the Vampire Slayer chosen. Ones. You know, how do we do this? We just kind of go and kill these faithless demons which there are thousands and thousands and thousands of them, apart from the very special one. Quinny Yeah, very. Dion That ohh wait. Yes. Yes. So you know I got that sort of storyline. Ardella Although I do think that there is a pot, I mean obviously we see Janus. Progression where he was genuinely villainous. He was * ****. Wow, what * **** we learned. Dion Sure. What is it again with? Absolutely ancient men and young women. Jill That’s like type. Speaker 4 Being like can. Ardella You I I just want to be rich and wealthy at the expense of my family. What a ******* nightmare, human. But then. Speaker And. Ardella Obviously evolves and become someone who we can genuinely sympathise with, I think, but I feel like we also, especially in that scene, I think Jill, you mentioned the the signing scene, we see a lot of the other members of the Demon Boy Band of the Sargent Boys. Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. Ardella Have a little bit more personality and a little bit more empathy, I think, than I was expecting and I I would be interested to see that explored a bit more. As well, yeah. Speaker 1 Hmm. Quinny One thing I do love is also the the historical mythological context of it too, that the the idea of the the Singing priestess is is quite a a long history in Korean culture. So the moon or mudang not mudang. Are a an offshoot of of Korean shamanism who their their whole thing was, you know, singing to keep their people safe and, you know, reach out and and bridge the world between gods and humans and so forth. And you see that at the at the very start, like there’s the flashback to the original ones. They’re they’re all traditional like priestess outfits. But then the fact that they’re, you know, really latching into the the Korean singing group thing. You know that there was another group in the 50s and the 60s called the the Kim Sisters. Who group of three well known all around the world, appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show. Did like 22 shows over the years on Ed Sullivan. Like that kind of thing. We’re going. Yes, we’re gonna do it. I love the idea that we could have, you know, stories told in different time frames. Ardella Yeah. And before the Kim’s sisters, there was the Jair Gory sisters. I think it’s pronounced and they were also a three piece girl band who we assume is kind of being referenced in that introduction as well. Dion Can can we just make sure that we even if we go across different time periods they still kill demo? That’s right. Yes, as long as there’s still some demon hunting and killing going on in there. I’m fine. I’m on board with it. Ardella Like. Quinny 100%. Speaker 4 Absolutely. Ardella 100 percent, 100% yeah. I also need to mention I’m sure many of us already know this, but Saja as the name of the Saja boys also has multiple meanings. It means lion. Dion Yeah, yeah. Ardella But it is also a kind of slang term for the grim Reaper. So there’s that duality there. So that’s that’s why they have the lion like logo. That’s what they’re saying. That’s the that’s the loud part. They’re like, we’re the Lion Boys essentially, but. Speaker 2 Oh. Quinny I didn’t know. Dion That, and also dark and mysterious. Quinny And. Ardella It’s also. Through. Yeah, slang for the grim Reaper in South Korea. Quinny And I don’t think I would have understood or appreciated this film if I hadn’t for the past couple of years had an awful lot to do with idol culture like, yeah, but I I’ve learned a lot in the past few years of working for idol festivals and, you know. The whole idol scene and. And. Something that I find fascinating and is really like key to the film, but it’s sort of unless you’ve seen the crowds doing their thing in person. The relationship between crowd and band. Is incredibly intense. Like and the crowds at these events are not. Just, you know, observers, they’re part of the show and they see their role really importantly, you know, all of the glow glowing sticks that they’re holding up all of the colours that they choose to wear, the fact that they, you know, stand a particular singer or whatever and will then change the. Ardella They’re bias. Quinny Yeah, yeah. You know, they will do all these things and like, you’ll see them during songs. Like I watch them at smash people climbing up on each other’s shoulders just so that they can. Performatively go. You know, I’m not actually singing at you. I’m just showing you how much I appreciate what you’re doing. Is like if you don’t know about it, you’re gonna think it’s ******* weird as ****, which I did for a while, but then when you see it, you go ohh. OK, I get it. And now I watch this film and you realize why so much time is spent with the fandom as well, like. They they spend a lot of time, you know, looking at the the kinds of fans who have latched on to these people. Is it the the sex starved older ladies? Is it the preteen girls who are just utterly, you know, smitten? Is it the big boofy guys who will cry at the drop of a hat? You know, all of that is. Ardella I think it’s interesting, though, to suggest that it’s just a AK pop thing or a J pop thing or something like that where you have these biases when you think about, you know, kiss people would wear their specific band members makeup style to go to a kiss concert. It’s it’s a similar. Quinny Oh, not at all. Speaker 4 Yeah, it’s just all. Jill About finding community and the things that. You love, yeah. Quinny Yeah. Really. And. And it’s also like I remember I wanted to write a ******* paper on this at one point. It’s the the concept of avatar rism that you wear the thing that you want to take on the, the, the, the feeling of you know, so. Jill Dude, I’ve done it for 20 years doing cosplay. Speaker 13 Exactly. Hello cosplay? Yeah. Quinny And cosplay is cosplay is like the the the doing it out loud and doing it at the biggest possible way. But for other people it’s that whole thing of wearing your favorite band T-shirt or wearing a Superman T-shirt or wearing, you know something. It’s that thing of. Jill Yeah. Quinny This gives me all these feelings. And I want to then wear it so that I can try and, you know. Jill Yeah. Now, name five of their. Songs. Ardella Jesus. Speaker 4 Yeah. Ardella And when you bring that all together, it really is. Powerful and I. Quinny Hmm. Ardella Think that that’s what they’re they’re tapping into on both sides here where you know that it can be used for good or for evil. Quinny Yeah. And. And the idea that a golden home moon only comes when, like, everybody’s actually being true about who they are, you know, that’s a it’s a pretty powerful ******* feeling. Yeah. Speaker Beautiful. Dion Yeah, beautiful. Speaking of powerful feelings. What are we doing for the rest of? The month, I don’t know. You don’t. You don’t know. Even though you you know exactly what it is. We’ve got a few things. There’s a lot going on in the month of the Merry, Merry month of August. We’ve got lots of movies that are out there. Things like nobody too. Quinny I do have a do in front of. Dion And one that we’re gonna see tomorrow night, which is. Weapons. Quinny Yeah. Dion You need the weapon. Give me the yeah. OK. Ardella I saw an ad for weapon the other night which just said 100% on Rotten Tomatoes and it was a print ad and I was like that. That’s a that’s a strong choice. Dion Yeah. Speaker 1 Hmm. Jill From the team that brought us barbarian. Dion Yeah. Jill He ******* loves barbarian. Dion Yeah, that was. That was one that came out of left field w
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Fantastic Four: First Steps Is this, the 4th attempt at bringing the Marvel Universe's "First Family" to the big screen actually as fantastic as it purports to be? Well, we have finally settled on a look and feel that best suits the classic super hero squad: and it's '60s Retro-futurism all the way for one and all!!! It's a whole new universe of Marvel stories starring Omni-daddy Pedro Pascal, serving C&%t Vanessa Kirby, Joseph "i'm on fire!" Quinn and Ebon Moss Bacharach (or baccarat as Quinny thinks he's called) as the truly Fantastic Four! In this film we kick of Marvel's Phase 6 and usher in a new style and direction of storytelling, but is it actually good? Listen in and find out! These fantastic four reviewers are here for this one, so it's all hands on deck as we hit this faster than light! https://youtu.be/ZkJszcpuQwQ A huge shout-out to the fantastic flexible friends and their robot helpers who join in with our moderated live-chat during the Twitch stream, each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEST. And especially to those who have decided to drop some crushed up planet juice in the tip jar. Thanks for supporting us directly via our Ko-Fi jar and now also by subscribing on Twitch! You ALL rock! If you like what we do, drop us a sub! Every bit of your support helps us to (hopefully) keep entertaining you and making more emotes! (there may need to be some for the rating system soon!) Don't fret if you can't be there for the recording though as you can catch them on Youtube usually later that very night. Make sure to subscribe so you don't miss them! https://youtu.be/18QQWa5MEcs?si=ZuzrC0i80qHjiz4n https://youtu.be/cLFDV72pa-s?si=VHolgiDlJZWBk0I0 https://youtu.be/_rRoD28-WgU?si=nISYKo7MGY4MpUE9 https://youtu.be/WEhgwDqYqWM?si=Tx-FIPgv23qichZv ERRATA: It seems Quinny's HERBIE history lesson was incorrect and entirely apocryphal... https://youtube.com/shorts/KHyTOUSk6Rw?si=FCmt1FKY-Grdhs7D WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too! We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript Dion Ohh hello and welcome to the pairing Table of Awesome. It is time for a foursome of a different kind on today. The Tuesday. What time? What time is it? Speaker 3 What time is it? Speaker 6 Blame on us? Yeah, it's it's. Speaker 3 Fun it's it's podcasting time. Dion Butter in time. Wait, that doesn't quite work. I don't know. And right now, Pete, which she was invisible. Yeah. Yeah, well done. Speaker 6 oh Speaker 3 Sorry. Quinny Very well done. I love the feeling now, really. She's. Dion Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Embrace hope. She's yeah, probably. Still there. Can you hear? Jill Really gone. Just gone. Dion Us in the void. Peta I'm invisible. I'm not silent. Speaker Yeah. Yes. Dion That's true. They didn't use that enough in the film. I don't think they're just having Sue just kind of being like, what are you guys talking about and freaking people out because, you know, I do, if I were the Invisible Man. Jill Yeah, she's not seen, not heard woman. Dion Yeah, not seen, not heard. Wow. Hello. Back after a week. Off. Off. Yeah, yeah. Small, small break. Quinny Wow. Hey, I said, everybody feeling enthused and like, upbeat and stuff. Jill It was nice. To have a little break to be honest. Dion Yeah, yeah, I hate those months with the five Tuesdays. What? What weirdness is that ********? And now? Ohh, it's it's gone. You've gone all glowy and. Peta Yeah, I've, I've. I've smudged the camera so. Quinny And ohh well. Yeah, I know.
Fantastic Four: First Steps Is this, the 4th attempt at bringing the Marvel Universe‘s “First Family” to the big screen actually as fantastic as it purports to be? Well, we have finally settled on a look and feel that best suits the classic super hero squad: and it’s ‘60s Retro-futurism all the way for one and all!!! It’s a whole new universe of Marvel stories starring Omni-daddy Pedro Pascal, serving C&%t Vanessa Kirby, Joseph “i’m on fire!” Quinn and Ebon Moss Bacharach (or baccarat as Quinny thinks he’s called) as the truly Fantastic Four! In this film we kick of Marvel‘s Phase 6 and usher in a new style and direction of storytelling, but is it actually good? Listen in and find out! These fantastic four reviewers are here for this one, so it’s all hands on deck as we hit this faster than light! https://youtu.be/ZkJszcpuQwQ A huge shout-out to the fantastic flexible friends and their robot helpers who join in with our moderated live-chat during the Twitch stream, each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEST. And especially to those who have decided to drop some crushed up planet juice in the tip jar. Thanks for supporting us directly via our Ko-Fi jar and now also by subscribing on Twitch! You ALL rock! If you like what we do, drop us a sub! Every bit of your support helps us to (hopefully) keep entertaining you and making more emotes! (there may need to be some for the rating system soon!) Don’t fret if you can’t be there for the recording though as you can catch them on Youtube usually later that very night. Make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss them! https://youtu.be/18QQWa5MEcs?si=ZuzrC0i80qHjiz4n https://youtu.be/cLFDV72pa-s?si=VHolgiDlJZWBk0I0 https://youtu.be/_rRoD28-WgU?si=nISYKo7MGY4MpUE9 https://youtu.be/WEhgwDqYqWM?si=Tx-FIPgv23qichZv ERRATA: It seems Quinny’s HERBIE history lesson was incorrect and entirely apocryphal… https://youtube.com/shorts/KHyTOUSk6Rw?si=FCmt1FKY-Grdhs7D WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too! We’re on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript Dion Ohh hello and welcome to the pairing Table of Awesome. It is time for a foursome of a different kind on today. The Tuesday. What time? What time is it? Speaker 3 What time is it? Speaker 6 Blame on us? Yeah, it’s it’s. Speaker 3 Fun it’s it’s podcasting time. Dion Butter in time. Wait, that doesn’t quite work. I don’t know. And right now, Pete, which she was invisible. Yeah. Yeah, well done. Speaker 6 oh Speaker 3 Sorry. Quinny Very well done. I love the feeling now, really. She’s. Dion Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Embrace hope. She’s yeah, probably. Still there. Can you hear? Jill Really gone. Just gone. Dion Us in the void. Peta I’m invisible. I’m not silent. Speaker Yeah. Yes. Dion That’s true. They didn’t use that enough in the film. I don’t think they’re just having Sue just kind of being like, what are you guys talking about and freaking people out because, you know, I do, if I were the Invisible Man. Jill Yeah, she’s not seen, not heard woman. Dion Yeah, not seen, not heard. Wow. Hello. Back after a week. Off. Off. Yeah, yeah. Small, small break. Quinny Wow. Hey, I said, everybody feeling enthused and like, upbeat and stuff. Jill It was nice. To have a little break to be honest. Dion Yeah, yeah, I hate those months with the five Tuesdays. What? What weirdness is that ********? And now? Ohh, it’s it’s gone. You’ve gone all glowy and. Peta Yeah, I’ve, I’ve. I’ve smudged the camera so. Quinny And ohh well. Yeah, I know. She’s she’s actually doing the exact effect from the movie where it’s just a little. Jill Yeah, yeah. The Vaseline lens. Yeah. Speaker 3 Bit of. Quinny Now, now pets. No. Dion Can I stretch my hand over here? Quinny Pun. Serve absolute can’t with your face while you. Jill Do that. Yeah, there it is. Dion There you go. Perfect. Speaker 3 And now I’m going to do some cooking, OK? Dion Ohh dear and you know what I hope for everyone. Hello to everyone in the chat mainly for. I hope you all got to do the home. Speaker Hey. Dion Work. Jill Yeah. Did everyone enjoy the movie? I. Dion This particular day. Quinny Mean I could. See it? Yeah, Tari looks like that. She hasn’t seen it yet. She’s saying that she that please be good. Ohh. Interesting. Speaker Oh. Speaker 6 Ohh. Dion Fascinating. What? Jill Yeah. Dion Look. Yeah, we Fantastic Four has been out since last Thursday. Officially, we saw it last week which? Was quite fun. Jill Yeah, there’s even some early screenings on Wednesday for the public. Dion Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s out. It’s part of Marvel’s Phase 266. Quinny Yep. First film of Save 6. First film of, say Phase 6. God, that’s. Speaker 6 Dion Why couldn’t have made it the first film of Phase 4? Quinny Because that was quite some time. Dion And then it. Would have been. Ago. Right. OK. Look, the fourth attempt at the Fantastic Fours and I I include in that the the 1994. 1. Which was never released except IS is is hovered around. Yes, there was a 1994 one. Jill That would make this the 5th 1 then. Dion Yeah. No, no, it’s it’s, it’s, I say this as in the fourth go at it because there were two with the same cast. So you have the, yeah. Speaker 6 Ohh OK. Dion What are you talking about? This is. Our fourth thing. We have had, yes, it’s the fourth thing, you know, Michael Chiklis did a great job getting covered in rubber. Quinny That is true, Yep. Peta Yeah. Dion You know, and then you know, we’re up to this one. Jill Can’t remember the other guy. Quinny That’s gonna get off in the life. And remember who played the thing in Fan 4? Stick. Ohh my. Dion God fan 4 stick. Jill I know. Quinny That was, that’s what it’s called. Jill Fan Fant Fant 4 stick. Quinny I don’t know, but I I just. Jill Yeah, I think that a was in the. Middle not at the start. Quinny Ohh OK, I just call it fan 4 stick because it’s it’s easier to say. Dion Ohh, that’s right, it’s Jamie Bell. Quinny Ohh God that’s. Dion Right, you remember. Speaker 2 Whoops. Quinny He was the young. Dion Billy Elliot. Speaker 3 Yes. Quinny And and the young, chipper guy out of of the first king or the the King Kong movie that Peter Jackson did. Dion And he was also tin tin. But that was who made. Quinny It so not really who you would think. Yeah, would fit in a giant thing. Jill Memorable. Dion That he was the. Thing, yes. Quinny And Karina makes a good point, a arresting piece to Julian McMahon, who was the 1st Doctor Doom actually. Sorry, 2nd Doctor Doom. Speaker Yeah. Yeah. Dion Yes, because there was a doom. Jill I did rewatch the 2005 version on the weekend just for a bit of nostalgia. Yeah, I like those trashy ones. They’re great. They’re so campy and stupid. Speaker Did you? Quinny What did you think of it? Speaker Yeah. Jill And I look back on them. And I’m like, wow, the simpler times where we did comic book films. And we really, really did make them comic bookie. Speaker Yeah, man. Yeah. Dion And finally. Jill Well, we weren’t going. For all of the realism and stuff. Quinny Yeah. And they didn’t have to fit in with some. Gigantic *******. Thing. Jill I will tell you practical effects. Thing I don’t know I like. Yeah, CGI 1 is like that, feels like. A cheap cop out. Quinny Right. OK. OK. Fine, no suit. Jill With balls on it and not put in. Any effort and? Just animate it. Quinny You know what? Dion Wait, do you mean wait? Peta The fine effort. Jill Hey, it’s a different kind of effort. I’m like, let’s get our hands dirty and make a ******* stinky suit out of foam expanding. Foam or something like that and. Of course, some lung disease. Let’s get into. Dion I’m I’m going to like, I’m just going to take it on part of the actors there. Sometimes I’m just going to be like, yeah, maybe they don’t. Jill It. Quinny This is Jeff. Dion Want that? Maybe they don’t want to spend 16 hours in a makeup chair to to to do. Yeah. Speaker 6 As a cosplayer, I I would agree, but I would also disagree because I think it would be fun to make it. Dion Sure. I mean ultimately it’ll be that great thing of like they make someone do that and then they just go oh. Quinny I’m. I’m just. Dion We’re just gonna CGI it. Quinny Well, The thing is, there was a there was a lot of the thing in this one that was actually practical. Like there’s quite believe it or not, there’s there’s shots that they hired a a pretty big wrestler to be the body for it. So on set. A lot of the time there was a practical suit, dude of roughly the right size. Is. Jill So we’re not talking about a guy that’s just standing in there in a green zentai. Quinny No, I mean when when they’re doing it with Evan Moss, Baccarat, then he was in the uh, whatever the **** he said. Backup, backup, backtrack. Dion Doctor rap. No. Baccarat. That’s a. Quinny Alright. Dion Game I know. Quinny Dion Know you’re in a casino in Monte. Carlo yes, guys. Quinny Anyway, when he was on set, yeah, they they had this entire certain stuff like that. But there were quite a lot of it that was shot any time they needed, like a wide shot and everything. They actually had a dude in a suit with the. Ohh head and everything. Cool. Alright. Yeah, I’ve I’ve seen the the pictures of that, but I’ve also in the chat just put a link to the 1994 one and the thing in that Jill, you would love that one because the the suit actually looks more like the comic book character than any of the others have. Jill I love the terrifying dead. Eyes. Speaker 3 I know. Dion I mean, it’s great. It’s yeah, it’s very thingy. Jill That’s. Yeah, that’s. Speaker 6 Look at that thingy over there. That thingy. Dion Yeah, that, that, that is definitely something I’d go. What is that thing? If I saw it in a in a thing? Jill With that young man with fake grey sideburns. Quinny I know, right? Dion Yeah. Hey guys. I’m trying hard here, Joe. What? Quinny Honestly, if you could find that film. Like this. This is I love this one because my my thing with Fantastic Four it it started with this film because I was one of those ******* nerds who heard that there was a film that got made and was never released. So I then went and hunted. Speaker For. Quinny It and I, you know, back in the days of VHS trading, got somebody to send me a *******. VHS of this film that had never been released, and I’ve watched it. It’s terrible, but it’s actually got a lot of, like, it’s trying really hard. Jill And. Nice. Quinny To do all of the things that are fantastic, four movie should do just with no budget. Hmm. So yeah, like it’s got Doctor Doom. It’s got the mole, man. It’s it’s got them all doing their powers. But like Reed, stretchy arms are like pool noodles with a with a *******. A glove on the end. Jill I mean that’s still image alone is giving vibes of like 70s Italian Spiderman. Dion Yes, got a bit of that. I mean, you’ve gotta. What’s what’s the what’s the the crossover slash league like the Marvel Group, you know, secret wars thing. It’s the 1989 Punisher. Dolph Lundgren. It’s the the Captain America film. It’s the Fantastic Four film. Quinny Hmm. Dion You know, it’s all of those ones Pre Marvel Universe. Mashed together. And you’re like, what is this strain? ******* place, but we don’t. Here, we’re in a different, strange place this time. We’re in much more budget, some bigger names and some. Quinny Yeah. Dion Finally, they sort of kind of got people who give a ****. Quinny Yeah, yeah. Dion About doing something fun. Quinny Yeah. Jill And that’s nice. Surprising what you’re going to accomplish when you put in some time and effort. Speaker Yeah, isn’t it? Dion Isn’t it’s kind of like oh. Quinny And when you? And when you’ve had three goes at it before and gotten it wrong three times. You kind of go. Well, **** it. We’re gonna hold off on this one because, I mean, Fantastic Four has always been seen as Marvel’s first family. Like, you know, they’re they’re one of the very earliest Marvel superhero groups. And you know, we’re what, 40, you know, 39 films in now something. Speaker 5 Sure. Dion More, I don’t know 112 where 112 films in now. That’s how many there are. I I won’t be fact checked. Quinny And we’ve, yeah, and now we’ve just introduced the very first Fantastic Four stuff. So yeah, it’s it’s an interesting one. I mean, obviously they were tied up in rights for. A long time. Dion But yeah, I mean. Look, it’s fine. We’re just going to ignore the rest of those fan 4 test. Stick, whatever it is. Quinny Can’t ignore them. Dion We have to stick, then forget stick. That’s what I. Yeah, we’re gonna ignore that. Quinny Not. The autistic fans. Dion We’re going to, we’re going to ignore that. Michael B Jordan, he’s also Johnny Storm. Yes, I know, right. No, he’s not Killmonger. He’s definitely Johnny storm. We’re also going to ignore that Captain America. Quinny Ohh yeah yeah, he was one of them. Speaker Yeah. Jill Was also Johnny Storm and Captain America. Dion Was also. Stone. Yeah. Yes, exactly. We’re going to ignore all of those things and focus very. Speaker Yeah. Dion Much in Comic Daddy and his family and Pedro Pascal’s not not happy just being space Daddy, Apocalypse Daddy and General General Daddy. Jill Yeah. Thanks, daddy. Dion Now he’s also comic Daddy. Quinny Hmm. Speaker Yeah. Dion Yeah, along with. Quinny Is there anything he can’t, daddy? Dion You know what? Hollywood will not let him. Not daddy something. He’s in there now forever. Like. Yeah, he will just. He will just keep doing it until everyone collectively gets sick of him. And I’ll be able to return to an anonymity. Quinny Hmm. I just realized it is the summer of Pedro, it’s. Jill Summer picture. Dion Yeah. Speaker Been just realized. Dion Multiple summers. Quinny It was another ******* attempted Fantastic Four. Dion Oh. Have you? Yes, grey tailed. Quinny Well, technically. There was another Reed Richards. Ohh John Krasinski but that. Jill Yes. Yeah, that’s right. Dion That’s in Multiverse of Madness, which is so the. But that’s not the Fantastic Four. Quinny Yes, from. Marvel Universe. He’s one of the breeds. Jill He was. He’s Mr. fantastic. Dion Is he though? Jill Yes. Quinny He’s Mr. spaghetti by the end of. It but anyway. Dion Yeah, like I mean, yeah, that’s just on film, but it it, it wasn’t the Fantastic Four and this is what we want to focus on. It’s about these group of people and. How they’re represented in cinema? Yeah. What you’re not. Jill Capturing in the audio is our eye rolls. Quinny Massive massive eye roll. Dion Come on. Quinny Beyond wiping away John Krasinski from the from the entire multiverse of of anything, and we’re all going. No, no, no. Jill Yeah, that’s because they don’t. Can’t do a convincing cosplay of John Krasinski’s Mr. Fantastic. You can only do the Pedro. Dion No, I cannot. Jill Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and if you squint, the Ian Crawford one. Speaker 6 You’re clean shaven for that one. Quinny I’ve just had an eye. Yeah, my eyes are not that ******* blind. Dion OK, then fine. I’ll go with this one if this. If he’s part of the Fantastic Four Canon, you need to cast the other three members of the Fantastic Four in those universes. Who is it going? Jill That’s true. OK. Oh my God. Yeah. Can we come back to this at the? Dion No immediate. OK. We’ll give you time. Time. Yeah, time. Jill End of the show. We’ll be here for 15. Dion Minutes. Yeah. Yeah. So if if if John Krasinski’s Mr. Fantastic and chat go and throw some something we. Quinny Man. Need to sleep? Yeah. Speaker 6 ******* Emily Blunt. I would go. Emily Blunt force. Jill Storm. Quinny **** yeah. Yep, Yep. You down to? Dion That yeah, Karina, just like gonna get to the. Synopsis yet guys. Speaker Yeah. Peta You know, keep getting pushed. Speaker Push. Speaker 6 Push by the chat. Let’s go. Speaker 2 Yeah, that’s a wow. Quinny I’m being bullied by the test. Peta This film about. Quinny What is this film about it? No, I’m not gonna. I’m not gonna do the synopsis now because I’ve been told. I have to. Jill No. Ohh yes. Speaker 6 Jesus. Dion Christ. Jill That sounds like me energy. Dion Peta Settling into that demand avoidance there. Dion Come on. Tony, have you got? Have you got some synopsis? Peta Yeah. Quinny For us it is. I have got a. Synopsis for everyone but Karina. Peta To be fair to Karina, it’s been 20 minutes. Jill Can you do it in a Brooklyn accent? OK. Speaker 3 Forced ohh. Forced to balance their roles as heroes with the strength of their family bond, the Fantastic Four must defend Earth from a ravenous space God called Galactus and his enigmatic herald the Silver Surfer. And guess what? It’s clubber and die this. Quinny Ohh, cool, that’s it. That’s the whole book. Was an opposite. Trust me, there was an even shorter one. Speaker Is that it? Speaker 6 Yeah. Wow. Dion I love sofas, yeah. Speaker 6 Silvers, soyfer yeah, soyfer. Dion Some some more continents and vowels in there that I remember from. Speaker 3 Hey, I’m going down the street and I’m going to start some some flights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dion Yeah, that’s about it. Quinny Hey, get that man some cookies. Thank you. I. Dion Would love some cookies. That’s kind of what the movie is about and I’m, I’m I’m with it like this isn’t one of those films that you went and saw and you’re like, oh, great, we get to have an origin story of how did they get their powers, how did. They do this like how do we go through that? They were like, no, you know what? Quinny Ohh thank God. Jill Yes, we just got a tidy. Little vignette, and that’s all we needed. Dion Yep. Quite a long vignette really explaining like how they fit into the world and how suddenly the the brokers of World Peace and everyone looks up to them and they’re the world’s family. Quinny Yep. Jill Yeah, I kind of love it. Dion I mean, OK. Jill They’re. They’re paragons. Quinny Yeah. And we, the the important thing to note is that we’re in a different world here we are in. We’re not in the regular Marvel Universe. We are in a weird kind of quasi 60s future pop, yeah, different reality. Speaker Mm-hmm. Speaker 3 It’s. Dion It’s 60s futurism, so it’s just it’s there’s a divergent. Speaker Hmm. Dion From our history to where it has ended up in this Earth history, and I’m I dig it, I dig the style, imagine in the 60s if four people got shot into space and came back and had all these powers and solved a bunch of problems. Speaker Hmm. Dion And a bunch of other things happen. That’s how that kind of goes. It’s like, yeah, well, you know. Quinny Yeah. And the difference. Speaker I mean. Quinny Not actually stated what year this is, is it? Dion No, no, it’s just the different earth. Quinny Yeah, right. Dion And what that is. But people don’t have. Jill Yeah, it could be current day 2. 616 Earth we don’t. Quinny Yeah, yeah. Jill Know that’s just what this earth. Dion Yeah. Looks like there’s big. There’s big kind of LED screens, but no cell phones. Speaker Slide. Peta Yep, well, it’s kind of like they’ve kind of gone. We don’t need to put energy into making TV screens flat. We’ll just have giant non flat TV screens and faster than light space travel. Yeah, yes. But we’re gonna do with that extra energy. Dion There’s there’s like. Quinny No. Dion You know. Yeah. Peta We don’t need to put energy into like inventing MP threes. We’ll just keep records. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And teleporting. Dion Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Peta Think of what we could have done as humanity. Quinny I didn’t know. Dion Exactly all of our computerisation goes on tape. Jill Yeah, I mean. Yeah, we invented cassettes and then CD’s and then digital format music. And now we’re back to ******* records again. Quinny So yeah, but they just didn’t bother leaving the the records. Yeah, because they realized it was the the superior format from the start, especially if you print them in. Dion Yes. Gold. And if you haven’t got a troop of players in your lounge room. You know, yeah. Eventually we’ll get to there, won’t we, like? Oh, this is my 9 musicians that follow me around and. Play music to me. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Yeah. I mean, yeah. Karina and Casper both kind of make the point. It’s very jetsons. Dion Yeah. And that’s kind of great because that’s very familiar to the people who knew fantastic for for when they were growing up based on the cartoon, which is the the sort of. Peta So jetsons. Dion The carry over of where people would sit from the Saturday morning kind of cartoon and. You know it it it sets the tone that everyone could easily get into and I went, I’m here. I immediately know what’s going on. It has a different Marvel logo, it has a different kind of a soundtrack. It’s setting itself in a in a particular period and I was like, I’ll go with this. This is totally different to every ******* thing else. This isn’t a dark and gritty reboot. This isn’t. Anything really to do with the rest of the Marvel Universe? Yeah, kinda. Which makes me happy. And I was like, I’ll go with this. I’m immediately just going to be like, all right, what do you got? Jill Yeah. I think the thing that’s so immersive about it is the visual language that they’ve lent into so strongly and so thoroughly like the the set design and production. All the set pieces, the costumes, everything like that was like. Beautiful, like there was such attention to detail and there was not like a wasted moment on screen. It was so interesting that we’re talking about like, how like futuristic retro it is but. Like the. Costuming wasn’t futuristic. That was still like grounded in 60s fashion. Speaker Hmm yeah. Dion I had a really good time just watching the sets and the costumes. I was like they have actually paid a lot of detail to the costuming, not only of the signature folk, but the people around them too. Looked sharp as ****, I gotta say. Quinny And. Jill Yeah, like the the space suits and their hero suits were were still like. Grounded within like that 60s, like retro futuristic style, but had like the the strong 60s fashion elements as well in terms of like the textures of the fabrics and things that they used but the the colour theory throughout was fantastic and yeah just the the visual language that they. Used in this film was just so Cohen. Peta It’s a joy for. The arts, hmm. Dion Joy for the eyes until we get to the failure of the film. Quinny Wow. Jesus. OK, so, so just a reminder folks, the deal also sat through Superman and huffed. Speaker Go further on. Dion I did. I did half. He did half I wanna also. Caveat that I did see Fantastic Four, but beforehand I had. Speaker 6 So. Dion To watch. Beforehand I had to win. The Avatar trailer 17 times. I don’t. I don’t know how to explain that in terms of everything else, but I had to sit through the Avatar trailer. Too many ******* times, and that may have influenced my decision. And how I enjoyed that film slightly too many times. Jill Anyway, yeah, it’s almost like they strapped you to that chair and made you watch them 17 times. Dion They kind of did. Yeah. You know, because you know, as we all know, in those kind of cinema things, the seats are gold. And if you leave one, you’re done. It’s going coming back but anyway. Speaker 3 Yeah. Dion OK, enough of that. Fantastic for what? What are your first four impressions? Quinny I just wanna know why you’re getting ready to throw it. Speaker 2 Hello. Quinny Under the bus. To you ohh. Speaker 2 No, no. Quinny Like there have been a couple of times that you’ve already kind of started. Coming out of. Swinging. I wanna know why the big. Speaker There is. Dion Rubber punches out. Well, first, I mean, we all hate John Krasinski. And. No, I’m just joking. That’s. Three just threw that out there for. Peta Come on for John Krasinski. And he’s not like. Jill He can’t even defend himself. Quinny He’s such a nice guy. Everybody talking. Dion About, I’m talking about how effusively I love the costuming, the design, the aesthetic, the way that it just kind of moves the story along really, really quickly. It throws in some amazing nods and references to the historical stuff, like there’s covers of famous Fantastic Four issues thrown in very quickly. I know you’ve got. Quinny Oh my God, that made me so happy. Dion Classic villains like Mole Man and the Red Ghost. Yeah. Ish red. Red ghost off. Speaker 3 Well, sort of. Dion Like all of that stuff is kind of great. Herbie is amazing. The fantastic car, which I think often gets ignored. Quinny Yeah. Jill Uh-huh. Dion In, in a lot of, this is part of the fun about the Fantastic Four is all of the bits and pieces that Reed comes up with. That’s all kind of themed Herbie, as I said. Yeah. And he was. Quinny Great. OK. Does everybody know the history of why Herbie exists? Jill No. Quinny OK, this is my my favorite stupid piece of ******* history. So in the 60s, when the Fantastic Four was being turned into a cartoon, they went OK we’re going to do the Fantastic Four and the standards people of America went hang on. One of the characters is on fire. Speaker Tell. Quinny We can’t have a children’s TV show where the children want to emulate the heroes and have a character be on fire. Why not so? In the 60s cartoon of Fantastic Four. Johnny Storm is removed entirely and is replaced by Herbie. This is where Herbie came from. Wow. Speaker Oh. Yeah. Quinny So the fact that, like the fact that he’s in the movie is ******* hilarious. But his history is even better. Jill That’s wild. Quinny And I’m pretty sure he actually talked in the animated series, but yeah, and didn’t just make bleeps and. Speaker 6 Wheels. I like the Droid vibe it was. Dion Didn’t. Yeah, it didn’t sound like. Yeah, it didn’t sound like a 60s frickin B. Speaker Yeah. Dion I just. I just remembered something. Thing when we get this Sue storm into the proper Marvel Universe, she’s going to have to come up against Namor, yes. Quinny Hmm. Dion And and that’s a lot of that’s a that’s a whole. Jean Grey, Wolverine, Cyclops thing going to happen right there anyway. That’s right. Jill That’s something we can work on. Dion Later. Yeah, there’s a lot of smart in that one anyway, yeah. Speaker Yes. Quinny And apparently on on the set all the time, Vanessa Kirby is like, So what? What’s going on with Namal? Pedro’s like, for ***** sake, right? Dion Here she knows what’s going on. She gets all the cast members. Quinny Mm-hmm. Speaker 3 Yeah. Dion Yeah. Look, I. Had a great time with it, like, you know, really good introductions to quick introductions to characters. Everyone got a little bit of ability to show who they were as characters very rapidly. Like, you didn’t have to pay to. Much there, but I also really appreciated how much they felt like a family and they felt caring and it was showing them in a particular way, which it wasn’t like, oh, these are conflicted people. They don’t know how to, you know, where’s the drama? I mean, the drama isn’t in the family. The drama is external forces. And I think they got that really well because there was a really cool vibe to sort of be like ohh this is, this is cool kind of family like like I I would take children to watch it and be like see, this is how you’re nice to each other. You don’t have to hit each other. You know. Quinny Don’t set each other on fire. Dion Don’t set each other on fire. Try stop working so hard. Quinny Pete Jew talk to me. Jill Oh my God. Ohh feels like so long ago but it was only Friday. Dion Four days ago that you saw it. Jill Ohh my goodness, I really liked the film. I had a good time. I saw it well. I mean, all the things that I said about the costume and set design and all that stuff was just fabulous. I thought like the story pacing was good. Like they they got to the point and they, you know they executed ABC. You know, here’s what’s happening. Here’s our problem. And here’s how we overcome. It, like they did that. UM. I thought the action bats were good. But again, I’m just not getting my **** blown off. Guys. The jet film. We’re back to the **** rating scale. OK0 **** means it was ******* amazing because they blew them both off, but two **** is bad because it doesn’t mean that I didn’t like the movie. Quinny Back to. Rating system. Jill It just didn’t **** **. Way and it made me start to think that there was something wrong with me. Like am I not finding enjoyment out of these movies anymore? Like is it becoming passe? Is it like over saturation? Like what’s the issue? I think what the issue is is that too many movies. Are just safe. They’re in a safe zone. They do what they do on the box and they do no more than that. Speaker Hmm. Jill I’m not getting any like thrill, danger, excitement from these movies anymore. It feels really middle of the road and pedestrian and that’s not to say that Fantastic Four was a bad movie. It was a good movie because it did its job, but it didn’t go above and beyond. And become an exceptional film. And I just, I feel that way about Superman as well. That was not exceptional to me, and it just kind of feels like every time we go and see a big blockbuster, I come out like feeling it was it was middling level. Speaker Yes. Quinny I agree, but I want to keep Pete’s. Take on it? Sure. Peta I think it’s very well constructed, beautifully made. Film, I mean, we’ve talked about the production design and the look of it already, which is great. You know, we’ve talked about the the structure which is logical and probably better constructed than Superman. And and I do think it’s funny that I’ve kind of liked the exposition. Free tool here that I hated so much and electric state, same tool, different vibe. It’s it’s easy to get into and you want it to be because there are some plot points that that, that require a very high level of suspension of disbelief. Even for a comic book movie, you know, usually I I I I try to give the the Budweiser and the ********* like. A bit of a break in in certain genres, but I struggled a bit with a couple of the plot points that very much drove some parts of the story. Because it was a bit wibbly wobbly. Sciency want see? Yes. Yeah, like, don’t. Jill Get into the proton stream, but get into the proton stream, yeah. Dion Yeah, you’re Superman. Peta That was and, and I think the issue is I I I get I I have a tendency to get a little bit distracted if I can’t. If that suspension of disbelief gets interrupted, and I think that these particular plot points were distracting enough that even though I was enjoying the film, I still. Got kind of. Kicked out of this story a. Little bit by thinking? Yeah, but Nah. Quinny Are these things that need to be talked about in spoilery territory or? Peta Ohh, everything needs to be talked about in spoiler territory. It’s it’s just and if they weren’t plotted drivers. Dion OK, alright, fair enough. Peta It would have felt a little bit different as well, but it it did kind of feel like as well constructed and entertaining and beautiful as the film is. I kind of agree with Jill that you kind of I didn’t personally come out of the end of it going like. **** yeah. Amazing superhero film. It was just kind of like, ohh, that was like really well constructed and good looking and entertaining. And yeah, Pedro. Quinny I I have, I agree very much with with everything you guys have said. My biggest problem with it is that. The movie didn’t have its next gear up like all the way through it puddled along at an enjoyable kind of pace. It was doing what was needed, you know, things were kind of getting, you know, you had your action beats and stuff like that. But then when you get to your climax. It doesn’t have the next gear, it can’t shift it back a cog. And really. Go ****. Let’s go. It didn’t have that it, you know, the the climax I kind of was like and oh, OK, right. We’re done. ****. OK. Huh. And that’s. Kind of implementing of the whole film that it’s really well made as as we’ve all said, well made, well shot, lovely costumes, lovely everything. Jill Great performances, everybody was on their a game. Quinny But nothing that made me go ****. That was a moment. Like, you know, there was nothing. There was no moment like. Speaker Yeah. Quinny The thors hammer. With that, America, there was no kind of really emotional beat of. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Vision saying you know that love is just pain. You know, whatever. I can’t even remember the quote. But you know those those those really like deep seated moments that make you go ohh. That got me right in the heart. Speaker Hmm. Peta Which Thunderbolts did for me, and that, you know, I. I guess if if if you’re going to hold it up against superhero films we’ve seen this year from a. Speaker Hmm. Peta Is it a good movie? Speaker Hmm. Peta Mm-hmm. You know, well-rounded perspective, I would still put Thunderbolts ahead of this, regardless of how beautifully. Thought out the world was. Quinny Yeah, like there, there were lovely moments and their lovely ideas. I love the idea of the whole world pulling together to go **** we’ve got. Eight months to build something or, you know, and we’re all going to pull in this together and we’re all going to come together over something. It’s a great concept, but it just never felt like it had those that, that personal danger of what we saw in Thunderbolt and. A lot of people who are doing the, which one did you like more, Superman or or fantastic? 4. I personally thought the Superman took more risks. You know, it was weirder. It was. Peta Well, it was more. It was more current in in its messaging and the. The risks that it. Was taking in that messaging as well, and I think also you kind of. Dion Hmm. Peta This is a bit of an imbalance, I suppose in the rate that one escalates because you can kind of attempt to escalate the stakes to the highest possible point and the escalate them so high that the audience cannot believe. That. That jeopardy is going to come to pass in that context, which actually, which actually kind of destroys that moment, is kind of gotta be like a believable, worst case scenario that they’re facing. Not like, well, of course, they’re trying to find a way to avert that. There’s gonna be a little part of you that’s like. Quinny Hmm. Peta Ohh, they might fail, which I kind. Speaker Hmm. Peta Of felt in this. Quinny Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like. Peta Otherwise, you don’t feel the jeopardy, you know, the way that you should. Speaker Hmm. Quinny Yeah, and and I don’t know, I feel like something like Superman has has more of a an alter kind of vision behind it. Like, you know, that felt like James Gunn saying something and his whole thing about found family and his whole thing about being outsiders and, you know, he. He has a particular thumbprint that is all over that. This one I couldn’t tell you. A thumbprint it was. Peta Which is funny because it is tonally and structurally much more consistent. Quinny Absolutely. Jill Yeah, it’s a. Package. Yeah, it has an aesthetic and it, you know, executes that, but yeah. Quinny Yeah. And and like. Jill There’s there’s special sauce. Quinny Yeah. And and I don’t. Know what it is because. I was wanting to get excited. I was super wanting to get excited and it just never quite hit me. And even when big things happened, I was like. Jill Karina made a good point that she thought we were going to see them fail. Based on what we saw in the post credit scene of Thunderbolts and I want to make a point where I kind of wish that that scene never existed because it coloured my expectations. Speaker Hmm. Jill This film I was going in. Quinny Yes, I’m. Peta I forget what that scene. Jill Was ohh that’s actually it was it was there. There was like ohh we can. We’re picking up something on our radar and then they zoom into space and they see the Fantastic Four ships flying through space and that bit. Yeah. Yeah. So I had a different expectation of what I was expecting in this film. And so I’m like. Speaker 6 It’s just. Dion Just a a rocket ship in the sky. Kind of, or if it is, we don’t know. Jill Just on the edge of my seat the whole time, thinking. Well, how are they gonna get to our earth? When are we gonna see that? When are we gonna see that? And. And I’m like, so I wasn’t in the moment with everything else that was happening because I was anticipating something else to. Quinny Yeah. Yeah. And and maybe that’s that, that other cog that. Speaker Happen. Quinny I was expecting. Maybe that’s the the the next thing up is that you know, they do like, fail or they do something that that then took it to a different level. Speaker Yeah. Jill That causes them to and then this is how we get to this moment. But like now that we’re not going to have The Avengers doomsday film until another 18 months. Quinny Jill I’m like, wow, how are they going to get our butts in the seats for that one? Quinny Yeah. Jill Because after watching this movie, I’m like. Ah, I don’t really know where we’re going. Quinny Neller. Peta At the end, do you feel safe now with your opinion to share? Dion I mean, my opinion is based on Fantastic Four and how I enjoyed this movie or didn’t. Quinny Which is a really difficult thing to do to to take the movie entirely on its own. Yeah, been its own value and. Speaker 2 What? Quinny So aside from my expectation, aside from the other movie I watched a week and a half before, yeah, aside from. Dion Yeah. Quinny All of that, yeah. Dion Look there. This is the thing. Like I I really like to to throw this through. I really enjoyed Thunderbolts because it broke expectations that I had. I was there for it to say, what are you gonna do with this? And I was. Like wow, that is a great movie. I had certain expectations about Superman or I was wondering what was going to go, and I felt it wasn’t as good as I thought. It’s going. And I went to Fantastic Four. Saying how is this going to go? And I thought, yeah, I had a little bit of the same thing the the ending. Thing towards the end and some of the reasoning and stuff I was a bit like oh, this doesn’t make sense and I don’t understand where it does or doesn’t fit and I feel like they’re going to have to for some reason do another one in that universe for some reason. And I’m just a bit confused. I feel like it just kind of didn’t. You’re right, had that. Where’s that gear? Where’s the gear? Range. Where does it go up? Where do the stakes get bigger? Where does it become really important? But really I liked it because it. Was you can see across the entire movie from start to finish. It was a love letter to the time of the original Fantastic Four. Like all of the Kirby, all of the weird stories are just written into it. So it is made with a lot of reverence and a lot of love. And I really liked that because there was good messaging that was in there. Speaker Hmm. Dion The execution or some of the reasoning is just I don’t know how this fits. In the rest, like I love that it’s an outsider film, but I also don’t then. But what’s are we are we going to follow these people? Is that the point or is it just having a second one? Like I don’t. Know like it’s another Fantastic Four is like. Quinny Yeah. Dion Will we see him? Jill Yeah. Are we making this movie just to make a sequel? Just so we can make? Money. Quinny Yeah. Well, or are we making this one just because we needed to have a really good bad guy for the MCU. We’ve already announced who that bad guy. So we really had to have this film before doomsday could happen. Jill Yeah. There’s a lot of very upset people in. Our screening at the end of this movie. Quinny Yeah, yeah, there was. Dion Yeah, Speaking of bad guys, how do we feel about the villain aspects of this one? Speaker Hmm. Jill I was curious to how I would ever see Galactus executed on film, and I think it. Up to a point, it was well done. Dion Is it? Is it better than the giant cloud? Speaker 6 Ohh yeah, we don’t need. Dion So the. Jill Some amorphous cloud like I want to see an actual Galactus and like how? Dion So. Jill Do you do? That I mean, especially after we had the Eternals where, you know, we have things God like beings in space, it’s like, OK, well now how do we make a Galactus? Speaker Hmm. Jill That was really cool, but then there was a moment where I thought it was. Not cool. Maybe I’ll talk about that in sport. Dion How? How did you feel about Charlotte Owl? Jill I thought it was sick. I’m like, yeah, let’s go back to the original Silver Surfer. Yeah. People will be surprised to know the original Silver Surfer was not a dude. Quinny I I knew that Michelle label was an alternate, but I didn’t realize that. Jill I think the original Silver Surfer was a woman, and then it was her lover that begged Galactus to trade places with her. Quinny Yeah, yeah. Entry. Dion Interesting, yeah. Jill And disappointed we didn’t get the what if Aunt May was the Herald for Galactus and we didn’t get the golden oldie. Dion What are you talking about? Marisa? To me, isn’t that old? Quinny I I think. Speaker 3 No. Quinny I think there were there were sequences in there watching the the Silver Surfer surfing through. Speaker Ohh. Quinny Like Kirby Crackle, ******* cosmic power surfing through black holes where I was like, **** yeah, this is cool. You know, surfing around curving laser beams and ****. I was like. Dion Well, grab. Yeah. Speaker 3 Yes. Dion ******* hell yeah, that’s that’s the weird success stuff. That was the bitter. Speaker Hmm. Dion Was like, oh, this is great. Like, how do you put the Silver Surfer in? Why does it doesn’t even make sense. And it’s like, yeah, it does. If you lean into that. Crazy kind of 60s vibe that it originally was about. It’s like, yeah, I’m just gonna surf, like, through cosmic waves, man, it’s. Like. Cool. That’s fun. Yeah, it helps if you take LSD. Quinny Hmm. Speaker Yeah. Dion You know. Quinny Like there was something so ******* cool with all of that visual stuff. Yeah, that up until now, we’ve never really gotten because the only other time we’re seeing the Silver Surfer, he was on Earth, so it didn’t have that real cosmic kind of. Dion Maybe. He was the T1000 man. Jill Thing, yeah. Speaker Hmm. Dion He just kind. Of morphed around as needed for the plot. Quinny Your thoughts on on the Silver Surfer? Peta Neutral. Cool. I I don’t have a lot of feelings about the Silver Surfer as a character, but I thought she was. I thought it it was cool execution. Dion Yeah. Quinny Hmm. Yeah, look cool. And I like the the human eyes too. I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah, cause you I feel like you still need something to latch onto for a motion, yeah. Speaker Mm-hmm. Quinny I thought that was smart. Speaker And. Look, there’s look. Dion There’s lots of fun stuff in there. Standouts for me. I I I need to say I really annoyed that they didn’t rename it the fantastic six because to be honest, there are 6 characters in this movie. By the end of it, you’re watching it like there’s not just four, there’s more. Who you’re following through with, which was a bit of a surprise because I was like, OK, right. You’re just going to lean very heavily into the entire thing. Sure. I really. Kirby, I love that they went into galactic space because that’s kind of that’s that kind of that’s really fun. Like Reed Richards is that kind of character who, you know, is your prototypical 50s, you know, American Americanized painting, you know, of, like, it’s a pipe and slippers and, you know. Dad’s home. Jill Yeah. The Norman Rockwell. Yes. Please looking forward. Dion Yeah, absolutely. 100% The Rockwell and it it. But presented in that very conservative way, but he’s not a conservative. Like you know, it’s kind of like I’m just going to learn how to fold matter and bend this, and then we’re going to space. All right, everyone, safety third. Let’s go. That’s kind of Reed riches. Like he built a thing called the Ultimate Nullifier. And it kills anything in the known Marvel Universe. And then he’s just like ohh someone. Quinny He’s. Dion Like. Speaker Like. Dion ******** Reed, you know like. Quinny One thing you you said to me afterwards too. Jill Yeah, I mean. He just casually solved teleportation in this. Dion Yeah, yeah. Jill Film or whatever. Quinny Whatever. Whatever one thing you said to me too, and I agreed like they’ve always struggled to get Reed Richards powers looking good on screen. Like it’s very hard to do stretchy guy without it looking dumb, but one of the things that is kind of sad is that in the. Dion Yes. Quinny The comics and everything. Quite often you’ll see him, and that stretchiness of his body is a. Is. A all about echoing who he’s mentally. Yeah. So his arms are over here. You know, riding on the blackboard and his other arms over here, smoking a pipe and his head is, you know, stretched out over here, looking at the, you know, out the window or something like that. And there wasn’t much of that. It was very much like, this is traditionally handsome Pedro. Peta Yeah. Jill It’s it’s tiny. Yeah, it’s a tiny bit like he was doing. A little bit of the blackboard. Stuff and the catching things, but. Speaker 6 Yeah, I don’t. Jill I don’t think we really got to see him actually use his powers much in the film as a whole. Quinny Nope. Nope. Dion It’s very, very expensive to animate Pedro Pascal. Peta It’s it’s a dump power. Speaker 3 Pete. Pete, in there, it’s true. Jill I mean, it might be a time you. Would change your mind. Speaker Yeah. Speaker 3 Blubbering time, no. Quinny Should we rate it because we are, we’re going on a. Peta Yes, yes. Quinny Long time. Ohh good. Jill Oh my goodness. I don’t know. I’m gonna pick a number. Dion How many tips off Jim? Speaker 6 Yeah, the tip scale. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jill Yeah. The two tip film, but. Quinny I mean, I’m gonna. I will change the rating system if I have to, but it’s gonna really. Dion I had some I had some issues with it, but I did enjoy. I had a fun time. I’m gonna give it a 75. No 70. I’m gonna go 70. Sorry. I’m. I’m back down a little bit mainly because I really loved. Quinny On the website. Dion The scenic I love the the the characters together. They didn’t quite mesh as much and I felt like some of them were lost like I think Ben Grimm’s the thing. Speaker 6 Hmm. Dion Totally kind of lost in the hole as much to do. No, I I didn’t get enough of that thing because one of the most important things I know about Ben Grimace, he’s the real heart of the team. And while that was great, like I loved, you know, uncles, you’ve got uncles going on there. I loved it. You know, Johnny and and Ben are totally down for, you know, being uncles. I just thought he got a little bit lost and I have big issues with some of the purple headed warrior of the lactose, which I’ll talk about in spoilers, but yeah, overall fun time. Not a long time. Quinny Fair enough, Pete. Number. Peta I’m going to say I’m going to say I’m going to say 76 because I do think that it was. Really well put together but. The the I mean I’ll have some stuff to say when we spoil some things. Yeah, I’ll try to keep it brief. Actually, there was one point I think I said to you guys that I’d nearly walked out of there with more tips. Than I started with. Quinny I’m still wanting to know how that works. Peta Luckily, luckily I I didn’t have to go full rage out on it. Quinny So I’m very impressed. Peta Umm. But yeah, it’s just those kinds of like those those plot points that that just didn’t quite work for me were just a little bit kind of too conveniently driving the plot. And I didn’t quite buy even in the world of the story, that really kind of helped me back from from. Losing any tips at all? Quinny So so number of tips is 2. Hmm but. Peta Ohh, also the young Kelly’s Uncanny Valley baby was distressed. Quinny Though apparently that they had a live baby on set 99% of the time. Peta In some shots, I was gonna say you, but you can tell the. Shots that aren’t, yeah. Dion Yeah, yeah. Babies don’t look like babies on screen. You gotta pay. They yeah. Peta I mean, either it was a fully uncanny valley baby or they were doing something to kind of make the baby look like it was looking, but there was something. Yeah. And whenever whenever Ben Grimm’s holding the baby, it’s like. That ain’t no real. Jill Baby, what number did you give it, Pete, 7676. Dion Yeah, we all know. Quinny And Dion, still at 70, isn’t. Dion He. Yes, I’m still there. Quinny Yeah, Dan, how many tips have you got left by? Dion The way? Yeah, just one tip. Quinny Wanted. Jill Only go off 1. Dion I only want it. Yeah, I mean, well. I mean, I don’t know. It’s moved. Maybe the **** moved like it. It’s not in the same place it started out, but it hasn’t gone completely off. It’s around the side visiting the armpit. Jill You can’t. But I gave Superman. Quinny I can probably look it up if you want. Jill Yeah. Peta See, I just kind of take it on a mood basis. It’s on a day by day basis. Dion Briefly. Quinny Hmm. Dion Phil was right. I mean, I think. One of the telling things long rated. Peta Never compare my ratings for one movie to another movie. Quinny Superman 65. Speaker Oh. Dion While while Jill is thinking, I mean it’s fair enough. Remember, she only saw it like 4 days ago and it feels like. Jill OK, here’s the weird thing though. Like after I watched Superman, I kind of wanted to see it again, but I don’t know if that was to try and enjoy it more or like to get the things that I didn’t really get about it. But this one I’m not really like in a rush to go back. To the movie for it. Quinny Hmm. Jill But. I did like it more than Superman. Then. I think I’m going to give it. 69. Speaker 3 Nice. Dion Nice. Jill It was just a nice movie. Quinny Yeah, 69 and still 2 tips. Peta Yeah. Dion Quinny, what have you. Quinny Yeah. Got. I’m very similar to you know, I’m I’m probably I’m probably more in line with the pizza like. Yeah, 70. I’m going to go 77. I don’t know why. Yeah. Actually. Peta Just feels like a 77. Speaker Vibe. Quinny Like I I was a bit more warm on Superman whereas this. Like it’s it’s a perfectly fun, pleasant film. Like there’s nothing wrong with it, but it also just to me, felt like it. Was. Didn’t have much, particularly to say. Other than you know, wouldn’t it be nice if we could all work together and yeah. But also, maybe that’s what we needed at the moment is something that wasn’t too dangerous or whatever and. I don’t know. Yeah, it’s it’s 77 for me, but I just find it so. Dion Weird. We’ve, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve focused a lot on the non spoilery side and we’re running rapidly running out of time. So let’s go to the dinner clip to find out why they’re all such a nice blending together, then come back and see how much we. Can jam pack into spoil it section? Peta Leave if you haven’t seen it, because I’m going to spoil the very, very, very end of the film. Speaker Dion Pete is thrown down. Here you go, alright? Speaker 5 What are you doing? You mean what am? I. Doing and then you’re gonna ruin your appetite. I’m hungry, but never late for Sunday dinner. Should we wait? Speaker I guess you’re late. What I what do you? Speaker 5 Mean. What do you mean? What do I mean? Speaker You’re late for dinner. Ohh yes we are. We’re late for. By single minute. Speaker 5 Dinner. Yes, we were just just had to. Speaker Some aloe iodine on my shoulder. We got. Do his shoulder and. Speaker 5 Why is that breakfast cereal in the dinner table? Why are you being? Speaker Weird. Not not being. Acting. Weird. Well, I’m doing that weird thing with your face, so. Oh, we don’t know what you’re talking about. Speaker 5 Are you pregnant? Speaker Jimmy at the pregnant. Speaker 5 Yes, yes. Speaker You know, I know he just cannot. Speaker 1 That have you looked at your husband’s face? Speaker Keep his secret. Speaker 5 What, really, yeah. Speaker 2 What you are going to be the best mom? Oh, my God. Speaker And you are going. To be the best dad. Just kidding. You are out of your depth, but we. We’re going to be the best uncles ever. OK, we should eat. Dion Oh, there you go. Yes, that is exactly the kind of thing that we loved about the film. It’s really nice. Spoiler logos up, Pete. Destroy away. Oh, wait. Sorry. She has been there at the beginning. She will be there at the end. We here. Peter. Quinny ETA. Peta It’s not even my biggest complaint. It’s just that there was a moment at the end where I was like, I am going to have to have another full on rant about killing off female characters via self sacrifice and doing it to two female characters in one scene. UM. Quinny Thank God. Peta They recovered. They did recover. They recovered from it a bit and it didn’t really feel like it wasn’t going to recover. But for a moment there I was like, oh, oh, we are going to throw down. Jill I don’t believe you didn’t realise the magic baby was gonna save the day. Speaker 3 Sacrifice. Peta I did. It did, but there was a part of me that was kind of like you better ******* not. Dion Yeah, yeah, there was a little bit of that was it? It’s like, don’t you ******* dare? Jesus Christ, he’s not a. Defibrillator. He’s a baby. Jill I mean, you don’t have a. Magic mcguffin. The whole time and then not? Yeah. Speaker 3 Yeah. Dion True, although, but as as we all. Peta My biggest my my bigger complaints. Dion Know Franklin Richards. The monster. Peta My bigger complaints were were the iffy plot points like I’m like, correct me. I’m not a linguist, but I’m pretty sure you cannot translate an entire language with three words like I don’t. I don’t know that that’s possible. The Rosetta Stone had more than than than 3 words. Speaker 3 Yeah. Hmm. Dion Now. Peta I I don’t see how I don’t see how. Dion Important to understand that this is in the Universe 8 to 8 where things can exist a little differently and they are not this bog standard and it was one of those. Peta Oh. Speaker 6 But it’s it’s. Jill Things are like super. Peta It’s not the kind of plot point that you can explain away in your brain with that kind of reasoning like it’s not, but. Dion It has to be because that’s why I was. I was ******** about it and I yelled at Quinney until it came up to the thing. It’s like, but it’s not the real Galactus. And I’m like. Oh yeah, **** everything in this movie is not the real one from our universe. What? I’m getting angry at can easily be retconned by an executive who doesn’t like the feedback form. Speaker Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Jill But this is also a universe where Reed is a super genius that can solve teleportation and like, move a planet. That’s. Speaker Hmm. Peta It just like the jump between ohh, I’ve managed to do it to an egg. Jill Come on. Peta Let’s do it to a planet. Nothing will go wrong. I actually, I almost thought that, like, that’s where it was gonna get interesting. Like, that was gonna be this universe is snap moment when they, like, accidentally. Left half the people behind or something. Quinny That that’s what I that’s. What I was kinda hoping for like. Jill Yeah, there weren’t really many stakes. Quinny No, I ******* love the idea of them actually going *******. We’re gonna teleport the whole planet and. Dion And ******* it. Quinny Up what? Could something goes wrong like they they go to the wrong place or they find themselves in the ******* negative zone. Jill Like that ******* DC convergence where the two planets had to merge together. Peta Or and that’s the thing. Dion They do. How did they do faster than life travel, but. Not work out how radar. Exists stop the fact that Silver Surfer was coming to blow up all of their teleportation machines that that shaped. Quinny Me. She’s very fast. Peta And in your hand it just kind of looked like a regular size spaceship. I don’t know why they couldn’t have just muted it or something like it’s like felt like a lot of like ohh The thing is coming very slowly. This is the only thing we can think of. Dion That was my big ***** point that I will get my big boy britches on and have a whinge about. Galactus’s ******* world eating ship is just a giant space grinder and. And I didn’t like that because if you’re gonna go to, like the extent that they went to, which was really curvy, whole super 60s kind of thing. Speaker Right. Dion Make the spaceship ******* weird. Make it the giant machines that don’t. You don’t understand the purpose of what they do like. Have something that’s in there. Speaker 3 Hmm. Jill Yeah. What happened to like the? Big straw that he just shoves in the. Planet and like sucks it up like. Dion Yeah, all of that. But I mean, just like have the weird like, Kirby was great for drawing like. Contraptions that you love on the contraption, and they don’t. You don’t know why or how they work, or they have like extra bits that go off and they crackle with energy that you don’t understand how it sort of goes. He didn’t care about making it look well built. He cared about making something cool and stupid. And then they put Galactus. Fair enough, looked pretty good, you know, for a big. Quinny I look I. Liked big man collectors. I was down. Jill For that, yeah. I didn’t like how his. Height fluctuated with convenience. Peta Say he wasn’t that big in the end. Though was he he? He looked. Jill The lost, yeah. Dion A bit of juice out the back of the tube and then he got a bit. Quinny Maybe. Speaker 6 So then he went and shrunk a bit. Dion Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Quinny OK, let’s go with that, yeah. Jill He’s like ohh, now he can fit in this big circle on the ground that he like, would have Godzilla crushed the moment ago. Dion Crush. Sure. Peta Confused if planet size or if Godzilla size. Dion Yeah. Also how would sue push if 2? Quinny Because her push is not based on size, it’s based on willpower. Dion No, but push, baby. Ohh no. OK, recover. Push, galactus. Big baby. Oh, no much. Peta Is is based on magic mummy power? Quinny Yeah, yes, yeah. Like that. That big kind of finale stuff. I was like when he started to climb back out. I was like, ohh. OK now. Dion No. Well. Quinny We’re gonna get some shoes. Jill Yeah, I was like. Oh ****, I jumped. Quinny Yeah. Yeah. I was like, ******* sweet. Great. OK, now we’re gonna really ******* now, now we’re gonna wrap it up, but Nope. That’s just that’s it. Cool. Everybody get home. I would love to have seen them do something real. ******* ballsy. I would have loved to have seen them lose the earth, you know? Yeah. So that that’s why this Fantastic Four, like instead of. Yeah, that’s the run like this. Jill On the run on the. Sleeper on. Peta I’m not sure that Marvel is doing its answer to the trolley problem properly. Quinny Why not teleport the ******* baby and the family to another end of the universe, or to a different ******* dimension or whatever? Jill Because they answered that in the slack with pocket holes does. Speaker Yeah. Yes. Dion I mean. I look I I I I really got that like I enjoyed the bit where they were like, no, this is it honestly. Like we we we may be the people that everyone looks up to on the Earth and that’s a bit problematic to put that much. Responsibility. On four people who were there, but at least they always did it with heart, honesty, integrity and overall admission of failure. To the world. Speaker Hmm. Dion
BGI TAPPED Sometimes, I write in Lin cadences Sometimes I pass time with Jim Fallon, I write behind closed eyes and white bars, Pigeons and white doves, While I get made fun of I tried to just let bygones by bygones But I can't cause I miss my son And there's no love in the bottom of class wars And harsh poverty; there's no brotherly love And New York just don't want me here Is this your card?! No motherfucker! Oh. Goddamn. You are bad at this. I thought I was! I told you I was. You are! Now, scram. What color is your magnitude? You failed! I told you I don't know my own songs form Adam! That wasn't me? No? Crap. It's jammed. Well, throw a rock at him! THE SNIPERS throw a rock at DIPLO; unassumingly and (sort of) by complete coincidence, this rock just happens to be the CAPSULOUS ILLUMINATUS— (And he is mad.) Huh. Ohh. Shitballs. (Very mad.) Not only is he mad— which is hilarious— but as he becomes enraged, beginning to hulk out of his “zen zone” Isn't it obvious? Zen zone? What a complete douchebag. I'm so serious. V.O Tales of a superstar DJ Alice In Wonderland was in my dream last night, But she had big blonde bushy Slavic eyebrows and I just… somehow.. didn't know what to make of that. I HAVE A TALE! No, you don't actually. Sit down and shut the fuck up! BAMPHERAMPH CAMP is going splendid. *complete decapitation* —gorgeous. Meanwhile. As it turns out… I have something to tell you. PLAY COMPLICATIONS ONE MORE TIME. I FUCKING DARE YOU. DEADMAU5 has created quite possibly the very first sonic time bomb— FIRST EVER? I TOLD YOU GET OUT OF HERE. YES FIRST EVER. BEFORE: Sniffs… Pauses *Tiny Sips* *sniffs again* *squinting, dissatisfied* …I sense Deadmau5 in this Skrillex. BUTLER You would be correct. {ENTER THE MULTIVERSE} Wait. Who the fuck is Steve Duda? Bro, I told you my name was Steve! OH! Tales of a Superstar DJ I thought you were joking. I'm not joking. Where's the pancakes?! I'm out! Why is this place so clean?! Ugh! You haven't been around— or— like— Nonsense. Hey wait— last time you were imaginary. Uh, no, I wasn't. Yes, you were literally just— “In your head” Yeah! That's not a thing. What. Get over that. What. Everything is real, everything is extreme… Are you also out of OATMEAL? Almost, obviously! —ly real! Ugh! And cream of wheat? I've been— I was getting fat. THATS HOW GOOD MUSIC IS MADE. IN STORED ENERGY. I have— *bacterially is critically low* *lights flickering* *sirens wailing* *time crumbling* *phone dies* Ugh. Look. Uh— STEVE. Uh…let's just say Larry— My name is STEVE! I told you that! I imagined you differently, okay, and I thought ‘Steve' was just deadmau5 being pranky. It is! What? It's a thing! Look it up. Oh shit. The Ace. I told you that dude was sketchy! Wait, which Ace. Of Spades. Ah shit. Is this your— No! Ah? Well, wait… Wait what? Wait. A second. Wait what? …this…that is my card. Is it? Yes… *vanishes* WHAT THE— L E G E N D S Our Next Segment is called “Who wrote that joke?” So I'm wondering about— That Hindu joke in season 5 of 30 Rock “Oh my God.” “Which one? “ “I'm going to make you regret your own birth“ “Which one?” COPYRIGHT THE FESTiVAL PROJECT, INC. ™ ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. [The Festival Project ™] The Complex Collective © -Ū.
BGI TAPPED Sometimes, I write in Lin cadences Sometimes I pass time with Jim Fallon, I write behind closed eyes and white bars, Pigeons and white doves, While I get made fun of I tried to just let bygones by bygones But I can't cause I miss my son And there's no love in the bottom of class wars And harsh poverty; there's no brotherly love And New York just don't want me here Is this your card?! No motherfucker! Oh. Goddamn. You are bad at this. I thought I was! I told you I was. You are! Now, scram. What color is your magnitude? You failed! I told you I don't know my own songs form Adam! That wasn't me? No? Crap. It's jammed. Well, throw a rock at him! THE SNIPERS throw a rock at DIPLO; unassumingly and (sort of) by complete coincidence, this rock just happens to be the CAPSULOUS ILLUMINATUS— (And he is mad.) Huh. Ohh. Shitballs. (Very mad.) Not only is he mad— which is hilarious— but as he becomes enraged, beginning to hulk out of his “zen zone” Isn't it obvious? Zen zone? What a complete douchebag. I'm so serious. V.O Tales of a superstar DJ Alice In Wonderland was in my dream last night, But she had big blonde bushy Slavic eyebrows and I just… somehow.. didn't know what to make of that. I HAVE A TALE! No, you don't actually. Sit down and shut the fuck up! BAMPHERAMPH CAMP is going splendid. *complete decapitation* —gorgeous. Meanwhile. As it turns out… I have something to tell you. PLAY COMPLICATIONS ONE MORE TIME. I FUCKING DARE YOU. DEADMAU5 has created quite possibly the very first sonic time bomb— FIRST EVER? I TOLD YOU GET OUT OF HERE. YES FIRST EVER. BEFORE: Sniffs… Pauses *Tiny Sips* *sniffs again* *squinting, dissatisfied* …I sense Deadmau5 in this Skrillex. BUTLER You would be correct. {ENTER THE MULTIVERSE} Wait. Who the fuck is Steve Duda? Bro, I told you my name was Steve! OH! Tales of a Superstar DJ I thought you were joking. I'm not joking. Where's the pancakes?! I'm out! Why is this place so clean?! Ugh! You haven't been around— or— like— Nonsense. Hey wait— last time you were imaginary. Uh, no, I wasn't. Yes, you were literally just— “In your head” Yeah! That's not a thing. What. Get over that. What. Everything is real, everything is extreme… Are you also out of OATMEAL? Almost, obviously! —ly real! Ugh! And cream of wheat? I've been— I was getting fat. THATS HOW GOOD MUSIC IS MADE. IN STORED ENERGY. I have— *bacterially is critically low* *lights flickering* *sirens wailing* *time crumbling* *phone dies* Ugh. Look. Uh— STEVE. Uh…let's just say Larry— My name is STEVE! I told you that! I imagined you differently, okay, and I thought ‘Steve' was just deadmau5 being pranky. It is! What? It's a thing! Look it up. Oh shit. The Ace. I told you that dude was sketchy! Wait, which Ace. Of Spades. Ah shit. Is this your— No! Ah? Well, wait… Wait what? Wait. A second. Wait what? …this…that is my card. Is it? Yes… *vanishes* WHAT THE— L E G E N D S Our Next Segment is called “Who wrote that joke?” So I'm wondering about— That Hindu joke in season 5 of 30 Rock “Oh my God.” “Which one? “ “I'm going to make you regret your own birth“ “Which one?” I know the man in the chair By his eyes And the course of the road And the cause of his numbers, I know very odd, very sure, very well— and yes, I know the strings, and the things And the force of control And the conduct, the code Yes, I know not to leave him alone And we're all full of wonder, here Of the wonder years, But where are you, dear? Cause it's four in the morning— I'm cold, and I'm lonely— I'm shocked and forgotten It's four in the morning And no, I'm still not going home. It's four in the morning And only just know have I thought Or a plate full of warmth And the touch of her fondness But all oaths, Cause I took a lover this morning Another tomorrow And on, look— I can't come home until Sunday (What? I'm building you up!) And I know I've gone soft But you know not to Dollop until I tell you I'm coming Don't you! That's a gallop; There's a Dillon Where I dare you; Did you hear ‘em? These are harems There's a villain forming A sweet informant A node oriental And no, I meant all of the foam drip on coffee It's Not Out Of Bounds until I say you will My daffodil Then I fold you into pieces With my peace It says “I'm eating you for supper” Here goes Saturday for nothing I still haven't made the cast list Don't get so far up your marker That you forgot That the stars are all going under Burning out And ownership of businesses Other than subscription payments Mortgages and high interests— Give the internet good riddance Or else get lost Like your appendix This is Kurt Sutter? No, John Carson! You think you're smart for a marker And sabertooth tiger I got no arguments besides building monuments You wanted us? Worshipped! Now all of a sudden while on earth All reincarnated at once Almost all of ye's study or praise No Gods, though you walk among us! Keep it open sesame seed buns I haven't seen you In your open No subtronics I don't bother No blue eyes Tight skin Small stomach Thin waste Paper See through Just waste Wait I'm a trash bag Non returnable No refundable Still not gonna do you harm enough If you didn't bought it Still though Awful convenience Here's my sandwhich I just backed up into a fire hydrant High as a kite But you all know I'm so much hotter and fun Than the other one— Goddamn, But at least she's funny And as long as you want me first I'll love you and her Forever. —Annie. Don't got a gun; Then I'd be gone I don't belong here I write songs for a living You know; No more home for you! No more going nowhere If you don't wear Prada Here yellow canary You're only a little pretty bird Cause if I hear you stop singing at all I know we're all done for— Run! It's a gas le— (AK) [They blow up. ] COPYRIGHT THE FESTiVAL PROJECT, INC. ™ ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. [The Festival Project ™] The Complex Collective © -Ū. flash— bang Can't believe I'm lying there like Flash—bang What a mess I've got us into Flash—bang In and out of all dimensions I can barely pay attention I was standing in my kitchen Then it's straight to intermission (Something like a nasa mission) Flash—bang I think this thing is dangerous I can't sing I'm tone deaf as Mr. Kimmel Flash— bang Off like a grenade And then I'm off like Walton Goggins— “Shane!” Or did someone say action?! Might be going crazy Or just famous Or delayed. I'm in Grenada. —Bird Internet. Written by C'cxell Soleïl Prod. by Blū Tha Gürū -Ū.
Ugh, it's a fuckin riddle. *sad eyes* No fair. *super sad eyes* Super no fair *Super duper sad eyes* {Enter The Multiverse} YO! LETS GO TO TUBBY'S! YEEEAAAAAHHHHH! ITS TUBBY TUESDAYS!!! “TUBBY TUESDAYS?!” “Tubby Tuesdays” WELCOME TO TUBBY'S–I hope you're having a very Tubby day! We are now! Well, that's what I like to hear! Happy Tubby Tuesday everybody, right this way! All the tables are booths! …uh…okay. Before: What the fuck is Tubby Tuesdays? Oh, Tubby's? It's a desert buffet and adult video game arcade with an all-you-can-drink bar on tuesdays. Oh, well, that's… –and the world's first BBW-Only Afterhours Strip Club. Oh! –after sundown. Sundown?! Fraid so. TARTAR SAUCE! MORE TARTAR SAUCE! Why on EARTH would you eat tartar sauce on a waffle!? IT's a brioche waffle, okay–and the tartar sauce is candied bread pudding custard glaze-based. Oh! Gross! Its not gross! It goes dope on brioche waffles! I've got to get out of here. What!? It's not even sundown! Oh my actual gosh. I have to find that envelope before things get even– WHO'S READY FOR BRALESS HOT CHOCOLATE! *gasps* BUT IT'S NOT EVEN SUNDOWN! Check yo watch honey, because i do believe it's daylight savings time! Oh why yes, I do have the sudden urge to “spring” forward! I'm leaving!! That's okay! UGH! Hey wait– What. .[beat} Are you sure you don't want any hot chocolate? UGHHHH! It's braless! Yeah, a/he was under my Christmas tree with flashing lights on and everything. Man, you got Chris Kringled?! What! That's a thing! How does everybody know that's a thing but me? Was there presents? Yeah there was— wait how'd you know. Everybody knows about Chris Kringling, brother. I didn't! It's a web trend. What! On where? I have all the On WeMax! What is WeMax?! You don't know? I don't. A Bullet for my Valentine— I love myself. Man, I don't even know which mixtape that came out of. Right! Suddenly, When digging through the bullet in my brain, The finger in my skull Reminded me the pain I live with everyday And I Cannot put away This is my Suicidal thoughts My creeping Homicidal mind But I don't want to off you all I just want to end my time On earth So long A GUNSHOT rings throughout the tightly clenched red brick walls of somewhere in New York; it seems to echo forever as if the city itself were empty and cold, ricocheting off the sky with a ring into the air— the sound making a journey into space. Girl, you talk too much So go and level up Shut the fuhhhck up Not just the front door I'm not going on a shooting spree The only one I want is me The only one I shot is me The only one I got is me All of a sudden I feel really good, But also really bad— Like I'm high or something Just on the verge of uncontrollably crying And I know I'm definitely about to lose my shit But I'm off a little, and also on a little Like something just kicked in and I don't know what I haven't taken anything— Just fried potatoes in coconut oil, And I've been eating differently But getting through the stress with the comfort of simple products and the massive loads of work I've been sorting… I don't know. I feel horrible, but also like I just woke up—like if I sleep I'll be dreaming some place I ain't awake really because I'm aching… Achey at the thought of being up and left to ponder What is really up with my mind I'm longing— Thinking swiftly but also sickly of how I'm decaying, Same thing every day but it only gets a little longer; And although time itself is getting shorter, It still goes on, and I'm mourning everything I had to know, But now just seems forgotten Stolen Grace and getting awkward, And really just on the wrong show, A form of thoughts, impossible conglomerate And really only waiting for my greying thunderclouds to roll in Storms upon the wing of a swaying plane As if it may just falter, But all hope knows it really won't, And we'll all land safely. —Tom Hanks. Sometimes my life doesn't make any sense: Lil bitz Remember when you were a kid, And the mall was the greatest place you could think of going? That was the day— “Let's go to the mall!” Then you grow up broke, And I'm like “Holy shit— “the mall”? When was the last time I even went to “the mall”? Fuck that noise. The mall is where I'm not going. The only thing that's going on in that place is tAkiNG mY mOnEY. Fuck that noise. I ain't going to the mall. I don't need anything from these places. fuck the mall. The mall as a broke adult is arguably the WORST place you can go. “Ohh, what's in here” “Don't matter— Do you got money?” “That's right.” Fuck the mall: Arguably the worst place, maybe. {Enter The Multiverse} Copyright The Collective Complex © [The Festival Project, Inc. ™] © 2025 All Rights Reserved -Ū.
Superman (2025) Look, up in the sky! Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Is it another confused entry into the DC Extended Universe pantheon of super hero films?! No!!! This is something else entirely! James Gunn (Peacemaker, Guardians of the Galaxy) takes on the D.C. Universe with Superman and is clearly building something new and different… but crucially; is it any good? It's made a butt-tonne of cash, and out-scored the Snyder-verse it is taking over from, but does it have a beating heart? There’s some division in the ranks over this one, with everyone having a very different approach to this film that is not just rebooting a universe, but attempting to wash away some of the bad vibes of 12 years of questionable decisions. The whole team is in for this with Dion and Jill in our legion of Doom and Quinny and Peta suiting up as the Justice Gang. You will believe a podcast can fly!!! Synopsis When Superman gets drawn into conflicts at home and abroad, his actions are questioned, giving tech billionaire Lex Luthor the opportunity to get the Man of Steel out of the way for good. Will intrepid reporter Lois Lane and Superman’s four-legged companion, Krypto, be able to help him before it’s too late? https://youtu.be/4x2C9DIB9Fo A huge shout-out to the beautiful, punk as heck, loveable super crew (and their little dog too) who join in with our moderated live-chat during the Twitch stream, each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEST. And especially to those who have decided to drop some gold kryptonite in the tip jar. Thanks for supporting us directly via our Ko-Fi jar and now also by subscribing on Twitch! You ALL rock! If you like what we do, drop us a sub! Every bit of your support helps us to (hopefully) keep entertaining you and making more emotes! Don’t fret if you can’t be there for the recording though as you can catch them on Youtube usually later that very night. Make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss them! https://youtu.be/Ox8ZLF6cGM0?si=bnRJecS390QIPkMD WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too! We’re on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript Dion Ohh hello and welcome to the periodic table levels. I mean it’s feel good Wednesday night that we’re doing this very special time of Wednesday night. My name is Deon and I’m joined by Peter, Jill and Quinny. And tonight we’re going to be doing. Superman, thanks. Thanks for joining in, but yeah. Speaker Yay. Quinny OK, great. So look up in this look. Speaker 5 Moving up a thing. Peta If if you want us In Sync like you have to discuss it with. This. Beforehand. No, no, no, no, no, no. Quinny Yeah. Just give us a pause and then look at. Us meaningfully. Yeah, well. Peta Yes, otherwise our incredible lack of planning is even more obvious. Speaker 5 All gangs here. Yes. Thank you, Casper. In the chat? Yeah. Whole gangs here and people in. The chat are there, yeah. Speaker Day. Speaker 5 We’re all back. We’re doing this now. You know, finally, the summer blockbuster we’ve all been waiting for. Superman. Quinny I’m. I’m excited. I’m super excited. Dion Look. You are super excited. No, no, Superman. So parse we’re on to Fantastic Four now, that’s the next new hotness. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Yeah. Well, I mean, I don’t have, I don’t have my glasses to give. You Deon, but yeah. jill Yeah. We had our own personal Pedro Pascal last night. We didn’t need no premiere. Dion That’s. Speaker 9 No. Yes. When the girl. The girl that Porto was so excited. Quinny Did we? Did we premiere? It was just a. It’s the best thing ever. Dion For like 30 seconds and then she was back to serving hot fresh chicken as fast. Quinny The the look on this young lady’s face, though, and she was like, OK, you want an Oporto burger? What? Speaker 9 Yeah. Are you here for this? Speaker 10 Sure. Dion Yeah, yeah. Look, you know, no, it’s not. It’s not me. Pablo Pascal Pablo Pascal, the team Umm Pedro. jill The team U version? Yeah. Quinny You’re you’re like Orlando blooms. All the color bloom. Dion The fat cousin? Yeah, in Pensacola. We all know these things. It’s fine. We’re not there to talk about this. We’re. Quinny I’m. Speaker 5 Happy to talk about. Dion Superman, aren’t we focus. Focus back on this. We’re here to talk about Superman. Lex Luthor, Lois Lane and no one else. Quinny Right. OK, right. Speaker 11 Quinny Talking about the rest of the. Characters. Dion No, no, no, just those three. That’s it. OK, that’s what we agreed to right in the pre production meeting. Yeah, that you all attended. I sent you that invitation. Speaker Right. Quinny Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Dion No, it’s. Peta A joke all of the notes we make, all the proof we do like, yeah. Dion Yeah, yeah, you’re right. Speaker 3 Yeah. Dion Yeah. Yeah, it’s it’s 15 hours of. Yeah, it’s, it’s it’s 15 hours of prep work for each hour long show. jill The slide deck we built. Speaker So. Dion Shows doesn’t. Speaker It. Quinny Sometimes it does feel a bit. jill Don’t. You’re reminding me why I stopped doing Animaniacs. Speaker 5 Ohh. Quinny I mean, you know, you’re not wrong. Speaker 12 Yeah. Dion Can we focus on this? Come on, buddy. OK, guys, up here. Let’s go podcast. Alright. Peta Right. Quinny I’m I’m doing really important stuff. Dion We’re. Sick man. Yeah. All right. Last week we had the distinct pleasure of going to see Superman. We did. Water brothers. And. It was a big thing. Speaker Wasn’t it? Quinny That’s a big thing. How do we all feel? Dion Who’s the biggest super fan? Quinny Ohh, there’s a good question. Dion There here. Quinny Yeah. I’m. I’m. I’m big fan of Superman. Love the original 78 film. Probably was, I don’t know for for me, he’s always just been there because of things like super friends, you know? But. I don’t know. I don’t know whether I’d call myself a massive Superman fan, I don’t know. jill Yeah, I gotta say, not my favorite superhero. I’m a I’m a Batman girl. Quinny I I know this about you. Dion Right. Speaker 9 Yeah. But Superman is there. Dion She likes some dark, dark, gritty and rich. Speaker 12 Yeah. Quinny Not traumatised. Dion Not, not corn fed worthy and alien. jill Look, I do have a new boyfriend and his name is David Cornstein. Dion I also have. jill We haven’t met yet, but. Speaker 12 Reviewed. Dion I also have a new boyfriend and that is the Star Wars fan David coins, so you know. Yes. Quinny Mm-hmm. Speaker Quinny Yeah, David, David, corn sweat. Who said what? What would you like to build? And he said, give me a *******. Lego kit. Yeah, like he, he’s like I want a Superman Lego kit now, like. Dion Did you see? Did you see him on the lie detector test where they asked the question of which one would you prefer to do the sequel? The the sequels for Superman or to change and go to become the like into the Star Wars universe and? jill Go to Star Wars, yeah. Dion He was like. jill He’s like, well, they already have me on a contract for another Superman. So I’ll say yes to the Star Wars. Yeah, I’ll take both. Speaker 3 Yeah. Quinny Good answer. Dion Peter. Peter, as a lifelong super fan. Quinny Mm-hmm. Dion Do you? Do you? Would you consider yourself the Superman, Stan? Peta I mean, Stan would be taking it a bit far. I I’m I’m not. I I don’t dislike Superman. I think. I mean, my first experience with Superman was the old opening title sequence from the old TV show. You know, and then well, is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it’s Superman. Which was the only thing we knew about Superman for a little while. So when we played Superman and Wonder Woman. Quinny Hang on, which which old TV show? All right. Peta Superman could be a bird or a plane, or faster earth speeding bullet, and that was it. That’s all we had. We did not grow up with comics. We grew up with sound bites. And then Lewis and Clark, and he ain’t he ain’t no one Superman anymore, so I’m happy. I’m happy for a new Superman. I mean, I I, I you know. Yeah, I I was excited for Henry at the time but. Quinny Yes. No, what a ********. Speaker Peta Wasn’t a fan of the dark? Speaker 3 MHM. Peta The dark reboot. Didn’t some somebody who knows nothing really about the character just didn’t feel right to try to dark reboot? Superman didn’t didn’t really work for me, so I’ve I’ve I jumped off the Super train and. Speaker 9 Hmm. Quinny So so you’re trying to tell me that you you weren’t big on Man of Steel, didn’t get into Batman versus Superman and then didn’t love Justice League? Is that what I’m hearing? Peta I didn’t watch Justice League. I didn’t watch Batman versus Superman because when it comes to DC movies, I wait for you guys to watch them and then you tell me if I should watch them. And that’s usually how it goes. Yeah. Wait, who was who was the one that was before Henry and like? 2000 and. Speaker 11 Brandon, Ralph. Yes, Brandon. Ralph. Yeah. Speaker Peta Yeah, yeah, I like chicks. jill I will die on that hill. Yeah, I loved that. Peta Movie. I like that movie. I saw it. I saw it like in an IMAX theatre in Minnesota or something. Dion Yeah. And it was also shot in Sydney. jill Yes, it was. And my my 6° of separation I don’t know how many degrees this makes it, but my father changed the traffic lights in the Sydney CBD to American traffic lights so they could film the scenes in the street. Quinny Nice. Yeah, right. Dion That’s definitely about 6:00 because he didn’t actually interact with anyone. Speaker 11 He worked. He worked on the film. He did. Quinny Sure. We we did work on the. Dion Film it’s true, it’s true. So you gotta you’ve gotta count. Like, who was that then? Who was the person he spoke to that was closest to speaking to Brandon ramp? Speaker 9 Work on the film. Yeah, I’ll let’s just say 3, that’s great. Quinny Great. Look, my degrees of separation with Brandon Ralph is one. I’ve met him. Yeah, he’s a very nice man. I really. Dion Queen, we’ve talked that. Quinny Liked that? He. Speaker 11 I bet he’s. Dion That’s technically considered. Quinny He’s super ******* tall. Dion Yeah. OK. And he has vegan power. Quinny He does have amazing like. Dion Because he he’s part of the vegan police. No, wait. He got his head, then stripped. Quinny Yes, yes. Because he had cheese at some point, got some Scott Pilgrim. Dion That’s right. This is all Scott Pilgrim work. OK, fine. But he’s also got another DC superhero, hasn’t he? In the TV. jill Yeah, he’s been the. Dion Adam. Yeah. Anyway, more away from Superman. Don’t forget that that the the Superman movie. Speaker 11 But he did replay. jill Superman in the Elseworlds stuff in. Quinny Yes. Yeah, he was the the Kingdom come version of Superman, which I ******* loved. Speaker Yes. Dion So the last time we saw Superman on screen was in the post credit sequence of Black Adam. You forgot about that one, didn’t you? Speaker 11 Yes, we did. Nope, unfortunately. Dion Which was Henry Cavill’s reintroduction into the DC Universe, only to be told very politely. I hope by James Gunn. Nope. Go on. Go on a different direction. So yeah, man. Speaker Ohh yeah. Ouch. Dion Yeah, but first up though. Like, I mean before we. Peta He’s doing all right. He’ll be fine, OK? Dion Get too. Before we get too into it, do we have a a synopsis about this new Superman and do you have any requests of the type of accent that what should accent should Quinney be doing it in? jill I’ll do it on the timing news guy. Peta I was going to say manic tech bro, but yeah, no. We’ve we’ve had many tech bro recently so. Quinny Yeah, right. OK. OK, we, we got we got a musical thing on this one. Dion No worries. Oh yeah, why not? There you go. Speaker 13 Quinny I can’t hear it, but I really want. To do when it. When it hits the its stride. Speaker 13 When Superman gets drawn into conflict at home and abroad, his actions are questioned, giving tech billionaire Lex Luther the opportunity to get the Man of Steel out of the way for good will. Intrepid reporter Lois Lane and Superman’s 4 legged companion crypto be able to help him before it’s too late. Find out in Superman 2025. Dion I don’t give a **** the original music’s. Still banging? Yeah. Peta I mean that that that’s that. That’s the most fun **** accent we’ve had in a long time. It was barely even. Quinny Good. Peta Ship quinny. I don’t know. Dion Yeah. There we go. People are saying that’s that’s that’s one of your best. Quinny That was actually. Vaguely close to what I was aiming for. ******* terrifying. Speaker 5 Yeah. All right, so. Quinny Yes. So here we are, James Gunn. After being ceremony unceremoniously booted from the Marvel Universe and then welcomed back to it so we can do. The end of his trilogy, but during that that brief period of booting was essentially said. Ohh well, if they don’t want you we we’ll give you like. All this other ****. And he then went and made Suicide Squad. And then. Was essentially given the keys to the Kingdom and said you can make your DC. jill I’ll tell you what you can fit so many James Gunn elements in this bad boy you’ve got. Kaiju size aliens. You’ve got a quirky, lovable animal. You’ve got deep cut comic book characters. You’ve got obscure version of a mainstream character and. Speaker 3 Mm-hmm. jill The pistol resistance. The one shot fight sequence. Quinny Yes, yes, swoopy camera that does all of the the swooping Ness. Yeah, and lots of fisheye lens stuff. jill Not much. Snoopy ******* camera in this film. Yeah, besides the fight scene, a lot of swoopy camera. Quinny Yeah. So, yes, what do we do? We like James Gunn as a director. I look, I OK I do. I like James Gunn. I’m gonna say that. But feel free to tell me what you all think. jill I mean, I found all of the guardians of the Galaxy films very enjoyable. I do like his, you know, I guess you would call it his vision that he. Makes in his films, you know, he’s. Got a very. Clear aesthetic and it’s like a comedy slant on. Serious issues I guess, but also very heartfelt. Yeah, he tends to put a. Lot of himself in his movies and actually crypto is based on his dog. Quinny Yeah, who is very bad dog. Yeah, but I love him nonetheless. jill So yeah, I I like James Gunn films. Speaker 2 Hmm. Quinny Pete, where are you at with our J? Peta No, I mean I I don’t have super strong feelings, but I don’t think I’ve ever been. Mad at them. jill Not even for the tweets that he’s trying to redeem himself from. Peta I would have to be reminded a a bit, but. Dion Or you can find them, but it’s someone who is like 20. Peta I was gonna say it’s like, well in the past. And he’s been like ohh, that was bad, right? Yes, he hasn’t. He hasn’t been like, sorry if you’re offended. No. No. OK, well, then that’s like, people make mistakes when they’re young. Speaker Yes. jill He’s probably 1. Of the rare people that came away from an attempted cancelling but yeah. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Yeah, I would agree with that. Like I think he. Was able to do the the thing of going own it say yeah, that was me. That was back then. I don’t agree with this **** now. I I let my record of the last how many films I’ve made be my kind of my statement as to what kind of a person. I am now. Which I kind of agree with. I think he I think what he’s trying to say most of the time is generally the right thing Ding. Peta Ohh, he was he was saying stuff quite loudly this time. But Oh yeah. Quinny My God. Dion I’ve been a fan of James Gunn’s work since PG ****. Which you might. Yeah, I know. Right. People like wait. What? Yeah, he did a thing called PG **** for Spike TV. She was always great because always cut away before any of the real **** happened. It was quite great. And Nathan fillion’s. In. It if you ever wanted that. So you go look that up. Look, he’s kind of hit and miss, but you know. I like that he came from a very do-it-yourself roots sort of thing, working with chroma when he when he hits his stride really well is is in great filming. Like, you know, some of his films are are actually quite fun and exciting. And he he brings the. UMI think? Sense of joy and a bit of wonder and a bit of stupidity to kind of every single film that he’s in that he does. So yeah, I mean when this was announced that he was gonna be doing Superman or, you know, heading DC into a new direction, I was like, huh, OK can be a bit, Sammy, with your your stuff because you’ve got your formula, which works. And you you’ve been hammering out the same way for a few times, but alright, let’s let’s go see what you’re gonna do with this one. I’ll give it a go. You seem to make. Paining things which is. Exciting. And also he’s happy to. You know, as with peacemaker and suicide, the Suicide Squad. Sorry. He’s happy to to. You’d be a bit creative with what’s going on by not talking about specific characters, but by building a story around misfits and things you wouldn’t really think of. He likes the latitude, I think, rather have to go down the thing like. I mean, I wouldn’t really want to watch James Gunn’s bat. Speaker 9 Ohh God no, no. Dion Was it? Yeah, it’d be a bit. It’d be a bit strange, but James Gunn’s Lobo could work. Yeah. Quinny No. I and I think this I think a lot of people were fairly concerned or at least trepidatious about James Gunn, Superman, because what we’ve seen him do before now has always been about. Outsiders, misfits. You know, like peacemaker, people who are not necessarily good people. You know, the the guardians of the Galaxy are all not necessarily good people. So how does how is it going to play? When he is. You know very much, looking at a paragon, you know, how do we deal with somebody who is just straight up good? Speaker MHM. Quinny You know, is he gonna be able to handle that and personally? I thought he did. jill Yeah. Well, I think what aided him was having a a periphery of weirdos. Yeah, yeah. Quinny Goofy ********. Dion Gotta admit, I was one of the people who was like. Speaker Hmm. Speaker 5 Who is they? jill Yes, we all exclaimed after the movie when Dion said, who was that? Who was that? Who was that? And yeah, we said pick up. Quinny Yeah. jill A DC comic. Peta Book. See I’m. I’m. I’m just used to that experience so it. Speaker Yes. Yeah. Peta Doesn’t bother me. I don’t know who any of these people are. I know Luther. I know, Lois. I know Superman. Yeah, Jimmy. Quinny Thank you. Jimmy Olsen. Peta That’s. Speaker It. Quinny So. So Dion, you’ve never run across Mr. Terrific before? Nope, never run across the garden before. Dion Now what now? Quinny Who was the chick with Wings Hawk girl? Dion Ohh and then there was the other one that did. jill Come on. Quinny Metamorpho. Dion No. Quinny Right, I guess. Here’s here’s the thing. This is an unashamedly comic book loving movie. Yeah. And the characters that they are choosing to. Dion But. Knew the dog. Quinny Difference are not just the big triumvirate, not the what do they call them? The big three? Yeah, they’re, they’re they’re. They’re not the big three. They’re not the Justice League. This is the other guys. It’s green. Not just a Green Lantern. It’s the Green Lantern. That everybody. Dion Justice gang. jill Hates the ******* worst. Quinny The ******** Green Lantern with the. Dion Worst hair? No, that was that was the Ryan Reynolds one. Peta Yeah. Quinny It can get worse. You know it’s it’s Mr. Terrific who is, you know, the lot. People have seen him in recent years. He did show up in Arrow as a as a recurring character, but probably not in a way that people would go. Oh, there’s there’s somebody who needs to be on a big screen. Dion I had the same reaction when I saw polka dot man. I was like, OK, fine. But then I was watching this going I I don’t know why. Why does Superman even talk to these people? Aren’t they beneath him? jill Yeah. Quinny No, please. Peta Welcome to my side of the fence there. Dion It was weird over there. Quinny One thing I will say I do think the film look, I’m I’m putting my my word out there right now. I enjoyed it a lot. I thought it was a lot of fun and really, really enjoyable and hit a lot of emotional notes. But the phrase that I have used to describe it to a few people is silly. Like it is willfully silly. And occasionally goofy. And when it does, big action sequences and stuff it it really leans into this, the kind of silliness of. Ridiculous superpowers. You know you can have 100 flying jetpack goons attach themselves to Superman, and he will just spin like a a top and then they all go flying and it’s it’s cartoon world. Whereas. The the other thing is it’s silly, but at the same time it’s very grounded in its emotions. jill Yes, yes, I would agree with you. Speaker 10 Yeah. Quinny And I remember watching it and thinking, oh, that one’s going to be that’s going to be divisive. Dion Like the whole thing. Quinny And. Yeah, the the whole film, because honestly, I think. If you. jill But isn’t it? Isn’t it just dividing like people with empathy and ********? Quinny But that’s not what I thought was gonna happen. I thought it was going to divide people into people who wanted us a a more serious take on a superhero. Ohh. OK and people. Speaker Oh. Quinny Who were just like, yeah, comic book superhero, bright colors, Superman robots, you know, crypto. jill Yeah, that’s what kind of makes it hard for me to recommend to people because my parents love to watch movies. They like the superhero stuff, and so my mum was like, how was Superman? I said. Speaker 9 Ohh it was, it was fun. jill But at the same time, I’m thinking you’re not going to get half of the references in this film. Like it’s definitely not built for a layman. Peta You don’t. You don’t need to get the references for it to be fun, though. I think if if you had to get the references. jill I feel like 75% of it is references. Peta For it to be fun. Quinny I mean. Are you? Maybe you need. Peta To get into the spirit of it, like I’d never heard it, I didn’t know Superman. Had the dog, but. Speaker 11 Yeah. Speaker 13 The Super Dog never had a crypto and never heard. Peta Of crypto, but I would say that that that was like the the film signalled what it was very big, very quickly from the beginning in terms of tone and kind of used crypto to do that. And and given I didn’t even watch the trailer for this, I was like, just like we’re going. To see the. New Superman Film Zero other information except for that one still that got released ages ago. I did not know what we were going internally. So so it took that for me to be like, ah, OK, this is where we are. This is what we’re expecting. That’s cool. But like, it didn’t bother me that I’ve never heard of crypto before. Didn’t bother me that I never heard of that particular version of the Green Lantern before, although the head did confuse, confuse me a lot. Quinny The volcano. Peta Well, maybe because I’m often watching these things with people who do more comics than me. I’m just very used to not getting most of the references and being like along. For the ride. Quinny Fair Tari in the chat, saying that the trailer makes it look serious. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. Peta I mean, there’s definitely got serious elements and serious themes. It’s it’s got a serious take, but it it it has a lens of comedy that makes it. It’s very clear from the beginning and that’s what it is. I did find it totally tricky, to be honest. Like I enjoyed the silliness. I enjoyed the comedy, but. I couldn’t quite get my stride in for like. Good first half of the movie. Just totally I I I couldn’t. I couldn’t quite get my hooks into. Into. Where it was and I don’t know if it’s because it didn’t feel. Like if it was like the first episode of A. New TV series. It would have been perfect. There was just something tonally about it that didn’t that didn’t, or maybe it was structurally, that didn’t feel like cinema esque to me. jill There was a moment. In the first half of the film, where I did like, make a comment to myself where I was like, this doesn’t really feel like it has a lot of substance. Like it kind of struggles with the message that it wants to convey and. Being comedic like, I don’t know that any of the serious moments really. I don’t know, it held. You long enough to connect. If that makes sense. Quinny In in the first half or in. The whole film in. jill The whole film I I I there. Quinny Were a few moments where I I was really tuned into the series and the emotional like there are a couple of bits with his parents that I was just like, oh Jesus Christ, that that got me right in the in the fields. I. jill Don’t know, just some of the some of it just felt rushed. I’m like, it feels like. It’s trying to rush through. These serious beats, or these emotional moments to to get to the next comedy bit, I don’t know. Quinny It definitely felt like it was. It was rushing through stuff, agreed. Like there are, there are points where it sort of introduces a concept and then. Speaker Hmm. Quinny You kind of rushed through to the bit where it’s suddenly the next big. Crisis or whatever. jill Yeah. Quinny And yeah, it’s. It’s it. It feels like it’s at breakneck pace, kind of a lot of the way through. jill Yeah, I was tempted to actually try and catch it again before we chatted. I just to get another go at it. Quinny You’ve been very blocky. Speaker 2 Hmm. Dion Look. I mean, I’m down for stuff. And I’m down for all of this thing. But I mean, my one take away that I had for it is ohh, it’s Superman movie. It’s not for me. Like I watched it and I was like, I was there for this. I saw all this just like, I mean, I thought there were. There were bits that that they did, which I really got and I really believed. I thought they, like, knocked it out of the park. I was like, I’m 100% here for certain things, like, certain interpersonal relationships, certain kind of scenes and ideas. I was like, that is. Like, that’s beautiful. You’ve really nailed it and it shows what you’re trying to do. And then there were other stuff there that I was like, why is this? Part. Of this, this doesn’t need to be part of this. I’m slightly confused about where this is all sitting in relation to. It seems like there was a Justice League, but there has been something that happens that has, I know, but this is I’m talking about how I interpreted stuff I was like. I feel like, oh, there was a Justice League for a while there, but now there’s not really a Justice League. But now there’s something else going on, like it was like, oh, we’re we’re going and there’s a world and it’s happening. And some things you won’t know because you haven’t. We haven’t explained, but we’re not going to. You’re just gonna move forward with this. And I was like, OK, that’s all right. I can sort of get on board with it. But it felt like I was being missing critical pieces of information. And then also like, oh, I don’t understand why these other characters are there. This seems like it’s all very haphazard. Some characters are completely underutilised. Quinny Examples. Dion Like a hot girl, I thought she was. She was pointless if you took her out. I don’t think anything would be missing. There’s no. And that’s a shame because you know, like you want every character. Yeah. Yeah. You want all that stuff to be there? Quinny Great actors, but also cool characters. Dion Yeah, and and. But to did it look cool in this? Nope. I can say distinctly that I looked at every time she was on screen. Like, ohh. It’s kind of dull. This is a bit better in Black, Adam. I know, right? OK. That was called man. Was it? Speaker 9 That was. Dion One girl. Well, one of them was in. Wasn’t there a hawk girl in one or something? Quinny There was a hawk girl in legends of. jill Mine. Quinny Tomorrow. Sure. Yeah. Dion You don’t. I don’t do a lot of DC. Sorry. I wasn’t really a DC person, but I get. Some of the. Quinny Ideas. I realize now that I actually am more of a DPDC person than I. Dion I had to say. Quinny Thought I was. Dion I I was so angry when I walked out because one of the things I said quietly to Quinney was like, I’m so so pisssed off because I feel like I need to defend the Snyder verse slightly. And I was angry with my and I still am. I’m still kind of angry with this. I was like, ohh, there’s some things that Snyder verse did a lot better, but I really want to enjoy. The. Speaker 2 Did. Dion This new one I just kind of went. I don’t I I don’t. You know, I think ultimately what I want is I don’t want a Superman movie with all these other people. I just want a Superman movie. Just give me Superman and Lois. And maybe legs loose or throw him in. Sure, he’s OK, but I don’t. I didn’t need the rest. Yeah, and it was. Speaker 3 Hmm. jill Yeah, I will just say for the chat, those that haven’t seen it yet, we’re kind of thrown into the midst of an unfolding situation. There’s there’s not really a beginning, middle and end to it. It’s where where. Thrown into a situation. And it kind of never gets out of that for the whole film. We just always seem to be in a moment and there’s no explanation to, like, some of this stuff. And like I can. Make my way through the movie with plenty of context clues. That’s fine, but I would have loved to have had more moments completely fleshed out and. Peta Yeah, be a. jill Little bit more on. Board with what’s actually going on, especially like the relationship around Clark and his coworker. I don’t really feel like I got to see a lot of Clarke. Even Lois didn’t really feel fully formed for me and I really have one complaint about her character is that she did not do any journalism. She she was discovered some photos. Speaker 3 Hmm. Quinny Yeah. jill By via somebody else and then was able to piece together what was actually happening. In the plot that Superman is trying to uncover. So for me, not a great lowest, even though I love Rachel Brosnahan. Dion It’s gonna it’s gonna make absolutely every single journalist who actually does work in research like this scream internally more. jill Yeah, but unfortunately I think a lot of modern journalism is just being lucky. Quinny Like this so. Dion Yeah. No, but like this, this is the thing because it’s kind of I just want to like put that out. It’s going literally. Entire crew of journalists is is together to how do they release the stories like great, we’ll do it on the fly and then they’re doing it like by editing on their. Phones and sending an e-mail and. Quinny No, that that is ******* great cause I actually saw a journalist say my favorite part of this movie was Jimmy Publishing the story through a CMS accurately. Dion Ohh. Yeah, yeah, sure. But I mean doing. It doing it while they’re running around going. Ohh yeah, it’s ready. Goes press send. Now we have to do it. I’m like. jill Yeah, go live. Quinny Yeah, yeah. And published too. Social publish. Peta In other news, Jimmy can get it apart. Speaker 11 Like Oh yeah. Quinny Sorry. Speaker 9 Oh. Peta Oh no, my. Life. Quinny Apparently, yeah. Jimmy lays more cable than anyone in this book. And. I don’t think anyone knows why. Dion Jimmy does, and Jimmy needs some. Quinny Yeah, Jim. Jimmy. Eat world. Ohh wow. Dion Jimmy. Jimmy gets it. Quinny Yeah, yeah, I I agree. I think like I I will come to the defense of the movie in a lot of cases because there’s a lot of it that I think is a lot of fun. And you know, the thing that I love about it is that it’s it’s it plays well to kids like the and the Minecraft. Dion Of movie. Speaker Yeah. Quinny But how nice is it to to see a kid wanting to play with a Superman toy as opposed to if I could Minecraft toy anyway? But yeah, like that, that stuff with the the people in the daily Planet definitely feels a bit undercooked. Like you’ve got Cat Grant there who? Is, you know there you know what she does. jill Yeah. And then you got. Like a couple of other random reporters, I’m like. Quinny You got Steve Lombardo there. jill Yeah, why don’t. Quinny Who just seems like a ********. Yeah. And they were. Yeah. I love the relationship between Lois and Clark, though. Like, yeah, like. Speaker Hey. jill Yeah, well, what was it, Clark or was? It Superman, yes. Dion Yeah, I it’s, I said, like I really was on board with that. I thought the dynamic between Lois and Clark or Cael, like all of that. Was great. Like I went. Yep, they’re definitely cool, funny people who are trying to work out a relationship in this world that they’ve got around them. And I really got it. And I was like hats. Off to them. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. And then there was other things. Like the **** is Mr. Terrific and why does. He have balls. Speaker 9 They’re tears, fears, tears, fears. Speaker 12 Yeah, man. Dion Sure. I mean, you know and it’s it would be alright? Well, like what is the engineer? Why is she dangerous? I don’t. Speaker Oh, I’m so I don’t know. Yeah. jill They told you she has nanobots. Dion You know bots. Yeah, but I. Mean **** that. I mean, there are some. There are some annoying things about comic book movies because you know what? We were all annoyed by the giant sky beam and this one, thankfully, just let you all know there is no giant sky beam, no sky beam. There’s a giant. jill There is an underground Fight Club. Dion Yes, and the giant. And there’s a giant. There’s a giant crack. Peta Yeah. Dion Which is the same thing as the giant sky, but it has the same yeah. Quinny It’s the exact opposite, in fact. Peta It’s a giant wall destroying rift. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dion And it’s made of bismuth. Yeah. What the **** is going on with that? It was just. jill Yeah. Dion Yes, and as until a joke that came later, which was? Oh, yes. Lex Luthor was just a businessman. Speaker No. Dion Gone. No, exactly. For people going the the the, the, the, the big Destructo thing that whatever is happening, it looks like it’s just macro views of bismuth for me. jill Yeah. Do we like Nicholas? Holt’s performance as like we thought. Peta I always like Nicholas Holt, so I’m I I I I can’t have that conversation. Dion Why not? He got paid $2,000,000. For this film. Peta Good for him. Is that all? Dion Yes, but do you know how much Superman got paid? The same as Lois, but less, but much less. jill A million million. Dion 700 they 7 they got. jill Ohh really? He got the he got the pretty privilege he got. Ohh. Dion 750 tags each. Yeah, but they also both within written into it that they they had a lower fee because they have a back end deal. So they’ve got. jill I want a back end deal please. Dion With who? With Nicholas Holt or with? jill No. Yeah, with my new boyfriend. Dion Torn to it. Quinny I love it. You, you ladies, you can. You can divide them up, Pete. You can have Nicholas Holt. Jill, you can have David Corus wet. I’ll take crypto, apparently. jill No. Quinny And I will pat him, I will pat him and love him and call him George. Speaker 9 Yes. Dion Great. So it just leaves me with the Lois and I haven’t even watched the fabulous Mrs. Maisel. Peta Marvel, marvelous. Speaker 5 See. Marvelous. Peta That did distract me because I didn’t realise she was lost because, as I said, I hadn’t looked into the movie at all and just the entire time my brain was like. But it’s the marvelous missus. Quinny That would be. jill Wow. Peta Not Louis. Dion Yes, yes. Quinny Yeah, you, you get #5 or as he’s better known, Gary. Dion Yeah. No, like 100% if I got to hang out with Alan Tudyk for the rest of my life, I would be down for that. I’d be like, yes, please give me. Quinny Mm-hmm. Dion Screen robot voice. Quinny Man, I did. I did love it. I looked up who the other. Dion He’s a very funny man. Quinny Voices of the robots. Speaker 9 Ohh. Quinny Are. Yeah. So Superman robot number one is Michael Rooker. Speaker 9 Oh, I was. Wondering why he was credited on who was he? Quinny Yep, and Superman robot #5IS. Pom clementia? Yeah. There’s, like, there are a bunch of little things in there, like, you know. jill Ah, nice. Just James Gunn’s friends. Quinny Yeah, James Gunn’s friends like Bradley Cooper gets to look in. Speaker 9 So, so shocked to see. jill Bradley deal was so shocked that he didn’t. He convinced himself it wasn’t Bradley Cooper. Speaker Yeah. Quinny I don’t think anyone. Dion Yeah, I thought it was to start with. I’m like ohh, that’s funny. And then later I’m like, no, that’s not him. No, it wasn’t him, right? It was someone else. Quinny One of my favorite stupid and and something OK, something that probably should be said if you love the 1978 movies like so Superman, Superman 2. Hmm. This has got a lot of love for those films, and that particular kind of style. Dion I I feel it’s got more in common with Superman 3 onwards. Quinny That two it has a bit of three and four in there as well. In fact, it’s got. Dion But I mean. Superman. Superman. A lot of Superman 4. Yeah, I mean, like I like Superman 1. I do not find that this is the same as Superman 1 because it had the stupidity of Superman 2 when he throws his *******. Symbol that wraps like. That’s the kind of somewhat stupid ideas that come out. You’re like, oh, bold choice, but I guess. I feel like that’s OK. Quinny Yeah. Like I I think this has got more in common with the the funny parts of Superman 1, like the the Lex Luthor and Otis and Miss Tessmacher, and then stuff like that. Yeah. You know, those kind of elements of Superman 1 and yeah, a lot of Superman four. I was actually really shocked at how much. Dion Yeah. Quinny Referencing there was to Superman 4, which is make no mistake, the worst of those Mens sure super men super anyway, but my favorite is there’s a character in there who’s Lex, who’s main thug character by the name of. Otis. So Otis, of course, being from the old films. But this new character is called Otis Berg, and that’s the name of the country that Otis wanted to have for himself in the. 78. I’m going to. Mr. Luthor, I’m going to have a place and. It’s gonna be called Eldersburg. Dion I mean, look, also I want to I want to put it because a few people in the chat haven’t watched it yet, which is fine. Yeah. It’s OK. There was a lot of dog in this. Like, I mean there’s there’s so much. There’s almost too much dog. I know. Speaker 9 There’s a lot of dog, it’s got. jill The dog in it. Oh, come on. Speaker 5 See look you. Dion Know look at this this whole thing. These were divisive. jill What are you, a cat person? Dion No, I. Speaker 3 Yes. Speaker 5 No, I’m a dog person, but I thought in this there was like there is a little bit too much dog. Dion In this and also the dog. Anyway, I can’t explain like the whole thing is I can’t say I I watched it and by the end I’m like it’s not really for me. I don’t. I don’t really, I’m not. Speaker 5 Sure, I’m down. Dion For this, but I want to be is that does that? Does that make sense? Quinny You you went in? Speaker 9 Of course, yeah. Dion I went in hoping that this would be kind of for me, you know, like ohh. Great. Maybe this will be a new Ave. to get into the DC cinematic world that they’re probably building and stuff like there’d be something to get and there’s like. Speaker 5 Oh, I feel like this is absolutely not. Dion My kind of jam, but I hope it will. Speaker Me. Dion I I just wanted to see a movie about soup. Men. Not Superman. Conflicted ideologies of other stuff that people maybe are doing at him or or all this other stuff. And they’re very over complicated **** like, you know, ultimately at the heart, Lex Luthor is still the same. Thing that he was in the original. Gene Hackman dies. Speaker 11 Yeah, I really think, yeah. jill I feel like Nicholas Holt was really channelling Gene Hackman, to be honest. Quinny Oh yeah, yeah, big. Peta You don’t feel more topical? Quinny Though ohh yeah. Yeah. jill I’m gonna say Superman has always been this topical. Speaker 5 Oh yeah. Peta But in in terms of that particular character now feels particularly topical. Speaker 3 Mm-hmm. jill I think, well, I think that they’ve just updated it to more modern things and I’m going to say stuff like social media and trolling and that kind of stuff. Because there’s, like a great gag throughout the the film about Superman not reading the comments. Speaker 9 Because it’s just. Speaker 3 Yeah. jill Just hateful. And then we find out later who is writing those comments. Which is quite humorous, but. It’s. Yeah, I think it’s always had that theme. Peta Yeah, I’m and I’m, I’m glad. I’m glad that. Ohh well, I was talking about Luther specifically as a specific character being a billionaire tech bro megalomaniac that. Quinny You’re you’re talking about Luther. Peta Actually, you know, literally trying to take over the world by helping to engage small countries. Quinny Yeah. jill I mean, I saw a really great headline that just said Superman is not work, it’s just we have real life super villains now. So that’s why it is so relatable. Yeah. Peta Yeah. But you’re right. I mean, all of these things have always had messages. So I was glad in this case that there was like strong messaging within the plot and within. Each of the characters. So even when I wasn’t quite catching up with the tone or like you said you, you kind of do get kind of thrown into the middle of the story and maybe that’s why I didn’t feel like I would catch up. There’s definitely not an origin story. But even when I, you know, was kind of like. Speaker Hmm. Peta I’m still not sure I’m feeling what this is. I was kind of appreciating that it was staying true to the genre in terms of its. In in in terms of its messaging and how topical it was being. Quinny Yeah. Look, I I’m a big fan of the fact that it it it didn’t stutter like when it’s saying hey, you know countries invading other countries as far and you know a fairly thinly. Veiled, like OK, completely thinly veiled thing saying, hey, this country that looks an awful lot like Israel this country. That looks an. Awful lot like Palestine. Yeah. This is a ****** situation. Wouldn’t it be nice if somebody could just, you know, go in and give the middle finger to? You know, literally the middle finger to an oppressive regime, you know, like. I can see where people are jumping around saying it’s woke. Absa, ******* lutely. It’s. It makes no bones about where it’s politics. Like, yeah. Dion The only problem is it’s like, that’s just, you know, the group of people who are complaining about this sort of stuff. I feel like, well, you’re the sort of people who, like, say that the Punisher is part of the police force. Like you just you’re not, actually. Speaker 3 Hmm. jill Yeah, they don’t understand it like Superman has been woke since 1938, when he was created like, yeah. Dion Yeah, well, the 50s after the Japanese thing, but we won’t go there. Yeah. Quinny He was he was fighting the Klan in 1940. Dion True, true, you know. But there was a bit of problematic World War 2 stuff. So, but you know, hey. You can’t win them all, but yeah, look, it is a whole thing that. This is someone who’s trying to fight for the underdog, for the little guy to stand up to, to face down bullies and all that sort of stuff. And what happens when the bullies are the ones that are kind of running stuff. You know, then you can’t be surprised. I was like, ohh. Maybe we’re the bad guys like. Yes. That’s what we’re telling you. We’re actually telling you you’re doing **** things and stop it, because that’s not what we want to be. Speaker 2 Yeah. jill That’s the part of this movie that, like, struck me the hardest was when, you know, bullies pile on when the heroes down like Superman has a moment where, you know the press and online is picking him apart and then that’s when you know, people decide to strike you when. Speaker 3 Hmm. jill You’re at your week. Just and have made no secret about having endured bullying through high school, so it was a very resounding moment for me. I ******* hated it, but. Yeah, I think it’s still important to include stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, it was a hard watch. Dion So this is what I say. Like when, when, what, when I was watching it and like some of the stuff it when it hits it. It hits. Really, really well and that’s. jill Yeah. Very yeah. Poignant stuff. Dion Yeah. And then, you know, other times it’ll go from that though, to a scene of a, an entire building collapsing over a particular thing. Or, you know, the fictional idea that Metropolis can be evacuated in about 20 minutes. Peta Yeah. I mean, suspension of disbelief. Dion, come. Speaker 11 What the ****? On. Dion Excuse me. What? I I’m a logistics based person and even I know you can’t evacuate patrol. I mean Gotham. Different story. We can get people out, no problem. It’s basically Islam. Peta Yeah. Quinny What I did enjoy about that that sequence, though, was the difference between. Something like that sequence and Man of Steel where you’ve got like a Superman. Peta Which is why I did not like Man of Steel. I was like, I know nothing about Superman, but this don’t feel right. Quinny Like just having a a running battle through the streets and smashing through. Peta Just shocking a guy through buildings like just the entire battle was him throwing that guy through buildings that had people in them. Quinny There’s no. Yeah, yeah. And then at the end of it killing. You know which like is is one of those things that is just like ohh. Whereas in this one. jill Yeah, that lost me when he killed Zod. That lost me. I’m like, this is not. Quinny Superman. Yeah. And. And OK. He couldn’t. He couldn’t do it any other way. Yeah, he can. He’s Superman. And I love this one for, like, all of those moments where he’s like somebody, you know, does something to the Kaiju and he’s like, come on, man. I was going to put that in a. Like a space prison thing or. Speaker Whatever. Speaker 9 Yeah, and like Superman does have his his little space zoo, like with all his funny little creatures. Quinny Yeah. Yeah. Exactly like. But I think to to make him and the the the level of good these and that that altruism where he will save a squirrel where he will, you know try and get a dog out of the way to keep it from being you know hurt whatever to make him work. You kind of have to place him in this almost silly space. Speaker 13 Please. Quinny Like you know, this is this is a Superman who goes and talks to his funny robots and can fly into the heart of a black black hole like this. This is very, very much Frank quietly, kind of All Star Superman, which is, you know, really kind of leaning in on the Silver Age, the. The really kind of over the top stuff. But to do that, that’s why you can have him be so good. But then they ground that I I personally thought it was a ******* incredible kind of balancing act where they allowed him to be, you know, cartoonishly lovely. Dion Yeah. Quinny But then would ground it with something like when the the mayor and Par Kent first showed up. I was like, holy ****, this is a bit much, isn’t it? Like, you know. jill They were really giving adventures of Superman, Marion. Park Kent to be on. Quinny Hmm, yeah. But then by the end of it, I was like ohh, I’m fully invested in these sweet, lovely people. Dion Yeah. What do you mean? They’re just regular folk? jill Yeah, exactly. Dion Who were just trying to be good and try to like to think they’re not like Kevin Costner’s saying. No, no, don’t sacrifice it like I wouldn’t. I was. Peta Ohh ****. jill That movie just reminding me how much I ******* hated Man of Steel. Quinny Yeah. No, no. I don’t save me. Don’t reveal your secret. Oh, and by the way, maybe you should have let some. Dion No. Quinny Kids, kids die. Dion Yeah. Yeah, because that’s that’s how you get a Superman that kills people. Rather than this one. Speaker 11 Anyway. Dion It’s like you raised me to be good, and then I found out that I wasn’t supposed to be good. Ohh, but no, I I’m still gonna be good. jill Hang on. All right. Any final thoughts before we rate? Dion Uh, no. Quinny I think I just waxed a little too lyrical then so I I think I’ve said as much as. I need to. Dion Great. OK. Quinny Clip. Dion Yes. Clip then right, mainly because it’s very late. Well done. Good call, Jill, I could join me to start the the clip then. Right. You want to go clip then? Right. Which one? Which one do you want? The you get out of here or the dog? The dog. Do you want to see the dog? Speaker 2 Yes. Speaker 9 It’s good for you. Dog. Dog. Ohh. Speaker 10 So. Quinny What is this? Crypto. Speaker 2 What the hey, dude, I I thought you destroyed the whole Superman robots. I thought I told you to keep an eye on him. Speaker 10 We feed the canine, but he is unruly and he realizes we are not flesh and blood and couldn’t in our heart of hearts care less whether he lives or. Dies. Speaker Don’t eat it. Speaker 13 Out, out, stop out. Stop. Crypto out. Out. Stop it. Stop, sit, sit, stay. Dion Oh, there we go. Yes, the very bad dog who is a good dog but a bad dog. Unless before dog. Yes, trying. Is James going trying to make us all Crypto Bros? OK, ratings hit the ratings. Go on. Speaker 13 Kneel before dog. Quinny Oh. Speaker Oh. Quinny Rohan, didn’t it? jill I wanted to like it more than I did. I really, really wanted to like it more. Than I did. Speaker 9 Oh, ****. You’re going to be harsh. I’m going to give it. jill A 65. Speaker Cool. Speaker 9 Chill. I still. jill Had enjoyable moments. But there’s just something about it that didn’t click for me. I don’t ******* know what it was. I mean, I touched on some of the the moments a lot of out of context stuff, just not enough fleshing out of some characters. Like maybe it was doing too much. I. Speaker 12 Hmm. Dion This is so strange. jill Don’t know. Dion It’s so strange because I was heading towards 60. I’m gonna give it 60. I know, right? I was heading towards 60, which I thought was like rough, but I was like, ohh true. Yeah, that’s the thing like. Speaker 11 But. I liked it. I had fun it. Speaker 9 Was just just. jill Not enough that did it. For me, yeah, that’s right. Can. Dion I go not for me. Like, you know, like. jill Even those beautiful dimples. Dion I don’t remember. I don’t remember that character. Quinny Yeah, beautiful dimples. Dion I feel like it’s a song like if. If I were to separate everything out and perhaps put it in a different context, I would enjoy each of those bits more. But yeah, together I just. I was like, oh, it was entertaining. But did I have a good time? With it I’m like fine. You know. If they announce Superman 2 tomorrow, would I be rushing out to see? I’m like depends. It’s gonna be more the same same. Anyway, there I did 60. That’s fine. Quinny Pete, where you got with it? Peta I’m not gonna. I’m gonna be a little bit kinder to it because, like, I’m genuinely so used to not knowing what’s going on or who anyone is that none of that stuff actually bothered me, and partly because I I appreciate the the messaging that it was going for, and there were lots of bits that I did appreciate, but. I just structurally totally couldn’t quite get my hooks in. To it, but it’s not to say that I wouldn’t recommend it. I still think it’s an entertaining film, so I’m just gonna say 70. jill Yeah, I agree with Brent. In the chat. They said it feel like it needs a second viewing to appreciate. And I did kind of want to see it again before we did this show, but didn’t get time. I do wanna watch it again. Quinny Hmm. Speaker 2 Yeah. Quinny Yeah, I I do really want to begin. Peta And also need to see it twice to make it good. Probably like isn’t like yeah positive rating. Speaker 11 I think. Speaker 9 Yeah, yeah, yeah. jill So for now, 65 still sticks, yeah. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Look, I was talking to other person who saw it and had had a conversation online and they gave it a rating, but the. Speaker 12 Was it a? Dion Is that a monkey? Quinny Yeah, yeah, yeah. The monkey called Waterworth, but he made a really interesting point, which is the film itself. And the way the film is made. Has some goofy moments, and like there are bits that don’t work, and it’s kind of clunky, and there are sequences that feel rushed and there are characters that feel underused and everything. So the film itself, I said, he said I’d break that about a 60. 5. But. The feeling that I got from it. Was much higher, you know, and there are moments that it hit its stride where you see, like, you know, the the there’s a moment where the the building comes crashing down and it’s just dust. And. You see the the silhouette of Superman rising above it, and I was like, oh **** me. That’s a beautiful shot. You know, and there were moments where he was talking to Luthor, where I was like, God, that’s a ******* rip. A piece of writing. And, you know, there were all these moments throughout that that made me feel a lot. Different about the film and. That’s the thing. Like I remember watching it going. People are gonna be really torn over this one. Turns out they weren’t. It’s made of ****** out of money. But. I think I was also looking at myself going I’m torn on this film like I can see that there are lots of bits that don’t work particularly well, but I’m having a ******* great time. And when it does it, it does it beautifully. So for me, somewhere around that 80 mark. Speaker 11 Quinny Like I’ve I’ve really enjoyed it. I think the. Like. It’s not hitting the ******* heights of of Logan, you know, it’s. jill Yeah. Didn’t blow my ****. Speaker 12 Off Peter, how how are your tints? Are they still? Sorry. Quinny I am. Peta That’s the new rating system. Dion 2020 I can mine are here still. Quinny So mine is still. Speaker 12 My might. Quinny Might have gone. jill From now on I’m just writing 1-2 or zero like. That’s how many tips are left. Dion No. Quinny How they treat you? I like that we’ve been doing this for this many years and. We’ve only now come. To a rating. Speaker 13 System the perfect all. Dion Agree on a perfect natural rating system. jill Renaming to the periodic tides of awesome. Quinny Wow. Dion You heard it here first. In this ultra wide for truth, justice, and. The tight way. How do we get here? Sorry, Kenny, you were talking very earnestly about lucky Superman and now. Speaker We’re talking about. Quinny No, I’m. I’m all down for. Speaker 11 I said bring us back to reality. Quinny I I think I think I’ve said quite a lot. I talked about this on ABC Radio. I’ve I’ve, yeah, I’ve kind of kind of said my piece on this whole thing. Dion You did. Speaker 5 Like Will, will. Dion I watch this Superman in another film or a a successive sequel. Yeah, I will. Like, I’ll come back and give it another go, but I really hope I get to see more. Uh. About like I, I would enjoy watching this Superman interact with other people, but I really just want to see a movie about Superman. jill I wanna see this Superman with a with with our touch, Batman. Quinny Our pet. Dion Our parts. Quinny That would be the most astonishing tonal whiplash. jill Yeah. It’s gonna be like gloomy boy and sunshine boyfriend. It’s gonna. Dion Well, we already know that Lobos Green Litton going ahead. So yeah, this Superman and. jill Be so great. Ohh God, just imagining a hot mess from Lobo. Quinny I mean. Yeah, but I’m also. There’s a part of me that kind of feels like that’s what Lobo needs to be. But also, I’m not sure he’s, like, getting his own film. I know he’s in Supergirl, but you know. Dion Well, who knows, I mean. Wait, we’re in spoiler section yet. Quinny I was gonna say should we move into spoiler section just briefly. Dion So that does mean changing the bulb. Yes, yes. It’s up now, OK. Right. So. How do we feel about that? And? Quinny So. jill Yeah, escape the chat if you don’t want spoilers. Speaker Quinny True. Yeah. Yeah. Now, now is your time to exit and. Dion We don’t. We’re getting anything. This is what happens with all these films nowadays. It’s like well. You’ve just enjoyed that movie. I know we’re gonna do a. Speaker 5 Little bit of taste or maybe something? Quinny Else you know, I like the fact that they chose not to to follow the forgotten the the way of Marvel doing it. Of yeah, doing it as a post credit sequence or anything, it was like. No, no, we’re gonna put it in the act. So. Dion Yeah, fair enough. Quinny Yep, thought that was nice. So yes, to anyone who hasn’t ******** off yet. Yeah. What did we think of Australia’s own Milly Alcock as the Super Party girl? Speaker 9 Yeah, I was surprised to. jill See Supergirl appear in the movie I. One thing that escaped me before watching this, but. Dion It’s a. It’s a. It’s a bold. jill I kind of liked it. Dion Choice to introduce that character in that particular way. Speaker 11 Yeah, I kind of liked. jill A A party girl? Supergirl. Dion Only cause she was going to a planet with a red sun. Quinny So she could get. Speaker 11 You ****** **. Speaker 5 But how did she get off the planet? Quinny The red well. jill Spaceship. Speaker 13 Yeah. Quinny Just cause she she she’s red sun so she can get drunk. But I’m guessing that. Dion Too too many Buckleys aren’t there. Quinny Maybe she could still fly. Yeah, so interesting idea that I’ve they’ve said that a lot of the Supergirl film is gonna be vaguely based on the Supergirl woman of tomorrow. I think it’s called OK, which is an interesting idea that Supergirl. Unlike Superman, who came as a baby. Speaker 3 MHM. Quinny And therefore, you know it has been raised by lovely parents and stuff like that. Supergirl is dealing with some pretty ******* serious promo. jill Yeah. Quinny She, you know, saw her family and planet. Die has seen everybody that she knows and loves die. And you know, then spent. God only knows how long in a, you know, intergalactic tube. Speaker 2 MHM. Quinny And yeah, is having not a great time of it and suddenly doesn’t really know how to cope with, you know, superpowers and **** like that. Meanwhile, you got Clarke, who has been growing up with this, so it has a much better grounded understanding of it. I like that idea. jill Yeah, I would watch it. Yep. Dion And see, that’s a really interesting thing because you got that whole Superman movie with all those other characters and the different things that went on, and yet you’ve built the little world around that. See, This is why I kind of went like ohh Superman. I’m not sure about that movie. Why couldn’t have just been about Superman? Doesn’t he have his own trauma? Wasn’t all of his own traumas enough? You know, having to deal with? He didn’t need everyone else’s. Stuff. Yeah. Does that make sense? Quinny I think so, yeah. Dion Try not to discredit it. Quinny OK, so one of the big things that. Jimmy’z sexual prowess is what saves the day. jill Yeah. Dion No, but also. Peta But also Jimmy’z willingness to, like, use a woman. Dion I know, I know. Right. Like, you know, jimmy’z terrible ****, boy. Attitude saves the day. Peta Information. Dion Conflicting maybe? jill I think you’re missing the real hero of the story, and that’s Eve, Tess Markham. Quinny 1000 percent 1000. jill Sure, she’s the one that took all of those photos with all of the crucial information. Mm-hmm. Dion Are you saying that selfies and influences do serve a purpose in life? jill Yeah, I wanna see the movie with Eve Tessmacher and Madison from Marvel. Speaker 12 ohh Dion Talk about crisis on infinite Earths. Quinny I I do love that Miss Tessmacher is actually the person who has saved. Men, both films, she’s also the one that saves him in the 1970. Dion Well, yeah. There’s a nice little. Quinny 8 film. Dion
Jurassic World: Rebirth For a franchise that started with a single book and then a begrudging sequel, the fact that we are now 7 Films, two sub-titles, two Netflix animated shows and numerous games deep, tells us a lot about the state of the entertainment industry… (rather than the quality of that first book.) We have moved past the Jurassic park, beyond even the Jurassic World… we are now living in a post Jurassic planet. So if this film a true rebirth of a franchise, or the should this egg have been left in the incubator a bit longer. Dion and Jill have seen this weeks film, but Quinny is definitely here for emotional support and colour commentary. https://youtu.be/1AGTMry5nSc As always, a gigantosaursus sized thank-you to the dinosaurs and the mercenaries who love them, who join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday (or wednesday) night at 7:30pm AEDT. And an especially huge thanks to any of the slutty glasses wearing scientists who are kind enough to support us by leaving thier fossils in our jar via Ko-Fi, or subscribing on twitch… every bit helps us to keep the fences electrified and the boat fueled up… or it just pays for hosting…) If you feel so inclined drop us a sub we really love them, The more subby mc-sub-faces we get, the more Emotes You get! https://youtu.be/jan5CFWs9ic?si=wCPlEDf35P3owkWB WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too! We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript Quinny RRRraawr. You don’t wait to see the transcription of this. Dion Uh, uh hello going to the table. Listen, tonight we’re talking. Billy and the Montessori. Yes, that’s right. Jurassic World rebirth. Let’s go and say hello. Tell me your dinosaur name, Connie. Quinny Rusty, Durkins, Liam and someone else asaurus. Dion Rusty jerkins. You didn’t think about this hard enough, Jill, do you have a dinosaur name? Quinny I don’t know. Jill I’m a jealous sore. Dion I’m jealous, though. There you go very simply done. Quinny Ohh OK I thought I was trying to do the actual like thing. No, right. OK, I’m just I’m. Dion A Quinn playdon. Quinny Hang on. Jill Like it? Dion That’s where I gotta. Quinny Call Quinn flygon. I’m down for being a Quinn flygon. Dion Yeah. Or Quinn Claudon or something. Quinny Quinn play. Dion Docus yeah, yeah. Quinny Yeah, I I like being a quintillus. Speaker Yep. Jill Phenolic quinoa. Quinoa. Quinny Quinolines quinolines Rex. But not locusts cause **** locusts cause that was stupid, yeah. Dion ******** cause. Yeah. Quinny Sorry, I I. Love that we tonight we’re talking about Jurassic World rebirth. Yeah, the chat is currently just concerned about the Superman shit that we watched. Last night. Speaker Usually. Speaker 7 We’ll get to that next week. Dion Yeah. Yeah, next. Quinny Week we will we will talk. About Superman and the real dog. Yeah. Next week? Yeah. Dion We’re not, we’re. Talking about the other summer blockbuster of the season by Universal Pictures. That’s right, Jurassic is not finished yet. We’re having another crack at it. The 7th ******* film in the franchise is out. And for your watching viewing Dino pleasure. Quinny Hmm. And Speaking of a real dog, let’s talk about this. Dion Donald, pleasure. Speaker oh Wow. Wow. Dion Yes, it kind of does. Quinny Yeah, I I I I’m gonna have to. Sorry, you go down. Dion No, no, you’re on, Gifford. Quinny I was just gonna say I have to put my hands up to it. I haven’t been able to watch this film. I have seen clips of it I have. I have been given a a wonderful description from Dion as to what the film essentially was about. Dion A rapid fire blow by blow. Quinny Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I I haven’t been able to watch the film yet, so I’m at a certain point in time. I may even have to skip out for spoilers, or I may not bother. I don’t know. Dion Don’t even bother. I won’t even go there. It can’t be that sort of thing. Yeah. Quinny Right. Dion And I mean, if you’re not for anyone in the chat, and who? Casper. Casper. Hello, Casper. You. We. You. You’re like. I haven’t seen Dominion. Guess what? Don’t worry. This is a brand new. Yes. Because it went. No, no. We’ve finished those stories now, and we’re gonna start a whole new thing with a whole new team of lovable people that may or may not get eaten. Quinny I guess. Speaker 7 Doesn’t matter. Yeah. Quinny Yes, this, this, this new reboot trilogy thing. I don’t know if it’s gonna be a trilogy. Who knows? Is entirely Chris Pratt bless. Dion Unfortunately, it seems to have done fairly good bank, so there’s probably gonna be a sequel. Quinny How many Jurassic films? Until they just completely have run out of anything interesting to say about dinosaurs. Speaker Right. Dion Yep. Quinny I understand. I mean, we have hit the bottom of the. Dion Well, what? Well. They seem to be they see they seem to. Be re digging the well. Quinny Well, this is Jurassic World. Dion Just next door. Yeah, look. OK. Quinny Like I don’t know how to. Do this anymore. Todd. Dion It’s difficult. I’m trying actually trying to think, OK, what sort of, uh, freaking accent does queen have to do this opposite? Because we got to get the synopsis out of the way. What is like in Jurassic World rebirth all about? You know, is it Scarlett Johansson giving birth to a dinosaur? No, it’s not. It’s got nothing to. Quinny OK, it’s not that right? No, because that would have been a very interesting and strange film. Dion Do with. Speaker Dion Is it Ian Malcolm waking up to a Velociraptor in his bed? Allah Jurassic World 3. Or was it 2? I can’t remember. There was literally that bit. Where’s Malcolm? Malcolm. Jill Three, it was him and the daughter that went back to. Dion Yeah, I think. 3. Jill The. Dion Island in the circle? That’s right. But that could have been anyway. Yeah, anyway. Quinny Sorry, just to go back, Dominion was the one that included most of like a bunch of the original Jurassic Park cast, wasn’t it? Yes. Dion Yes. Jill That is the crossover 1. Quinny Yeah, right, that was. Speaker Yeah. Quinny The the X-Men that is the future 1st. Speaker 7 Yes, yes it was. Dion Yeah, yeah, the old and the new coming together to fight dinosaurs again. Yeah. Fight, ******* Jurassic locust. Quinny Locusts. Yeah, not even dinosaurs. ******* locusts. I remember that part about Dominion being really ****. Dion But this one. Jill Yeah. And I had the evil Tom Cook that was. Selling the dinosaurs or something, right? Dion Ohh look, there’s always an evil scientist trying to profit from the dinosaurs. That’s the that’s the whole point. And in this one guess what? You’re not alone. It’s evil scientist trying to profit from the dinosaurs through corporate. Speaker Right. Quinny So you don’t need me to do this anymore. Dion Hey, go right ahead, man. I don’t even have any background music for you. I just have. I can just do dinosaur. Creams in the background. Quinny Hey. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So, Zora Bennett. Yeah. Like she leads a team of skilled operatives to the most dangerous Wow place on Earth. I’m not. That’s meant to be a, me and Malcolm and it’s. Feeling miserable. Dion I know I was kind of like. Speaker 7 Sure. That’s what you were doing. Quinny Yeah, I was like, yeah, no, I I realized I was not in a gold blooming of enough. No, couldn’t do it just so I’m just gonna do it as me moves to Christian. Dion Christopher Walken for fun. Why not? Quinny It was heading towards Christopher Morgan. Well, Dinos. He’s a team. No, I’m. I’m apparently not in a place where I could do stupid voices right now. Something has broken in me. Thanks to COVID, I’m pretty sure 15 of my 27 elves that live inside me. Are dead. Jill No. Dion This is just becoming horrifying. Please continue this, not this. As quickly as that. Quinny Yes, it is. OK. Zora Bennett. Yeah, zora. That is her name. Leads a team of skilled operatives to the most dangerous place on Earth. An island research facility for the original Jurassic Park. 1 of 27,000 island research. Facilities for the original Jurassic Park, apparently. Yeah. Their mission is to secure genetic material from dinosaurs, not in the way you’re thinking. Whose DNA can provide life saving benefits to mankind as the top secret expedition becomes more and more risky, they soon make a sinister, shocking discovery that’s been hidden from the world for decades. There you go. Dion I I love that synopsis. I still have no idea what the sinister and shocking discovery that’s been hidden. Quinny Yeah. Dion From the world for. Jill Decades is that was the Montessori US, and it wasn’t decades. It was 17 years. Dion Yeah, which is very nice decades, but also like, is that a shocking thing? No, it’s like, OK, they’re hidden. Jill Set at the start of the movie. Dion It’s like. It’s kind of like it’s kind of like, wow, would Jurassic World have progressed into that? Ohh, you come to see the dinosaurs in the cages too. Come see the freak show. Freak show dinosaurs come. See. The freak show. Jill Yeah, it was definitely giving phantom of the opera dinosaur vibes. It was like I showed the whole thing. Just. Yeah, we’ll wait until the end. Yeah. Speaker Yeah. Speaker 7 It’s just like. Yeah. Speaker Yeah. Quinny I’m speaking Elephant Man and dinosaurs. Dion Yeah. Yeah, really. And also I. Love that they just played into the tropes right at the start there of the. Hapless idiot scientist who can’t do things right. Who does the little critical mistake even though they work in literally a research *******. Place and it’s their mistake that unleashes absolute hell across that. And I’m like, wow, if that was the security problem, like, that thing that that person did, they had way bigger problems. You know, at least they at least they had an actual corporate self sabotage moment in Jurassic Park. The first one where it’s like, ah, I’m doing this for money. It’s like, yeah, great. I understand that. Speaker 7 Yeah. Jill Yeah, where was BD Wong in this one? Quinny Yeah. Or or Dennis medrick. Dion Yeah, yeah. Surprising lack of BD Wong. In all of this, too, yeah, yeah. Quinny It’s. I’m pretty sure he died at. The end of the last one, didn’t he? Jill Probably. Maybe. Dion You’re not like, are you? Are you? Are you seriously telling me that that character would not have cloned himself about 53 billion times because he’s the master of the cloning stuff and has been doing all of that? And he’s like, you’re gonna make like 50 of. Jill Yeah, exactly. Quinny Yeah, I have. I’m not entirely sure that may or may not have been an actual plot point from. The animated series. Like like I I’m the the Jurassic nerd who has gone and watched all of Camp Cretaceous and all of ******* chaos theory. The two Jurassic animated series. So yeah, yeah, I mean very well aware of how stupid the ******* storylines are. Dion Someone else? Quinny I’m. Dion The movie is this movie, this movie, not the movie. This movie established itself in the Jurassic World world by becoming a direct continuation from the Jurassic World Movie World. I know right where the dinosaurs have escaped from their captivity, which we saw in Dominion, and they’re kind of populating themselves out across and the and to causing chaos to the humans like humans have to deal with dinosaurs as a thing. But then I love that it did a smart thing in my brain which was to pull it all back towards the equator. Because they’re basically like, oh, dinosaurs are dying and they’re becoming a real pain in the **** like a dead dinosaur is quite annoying and everyone’s bored with them because they’re just a pain. They just cause traffic gridlock when they die, and they can only really exist around the equator, where it’s a more oxygen rich and kind of prehistoric era like like area where it. There. More sustainable life. Expectancy. So dinosaurs basically exist around the yeah, dinosaurs basically exist around the equator and and you know people kind of forgotten about them except for the corporations which want to make drugs, drugs, drugs from dinosaurs, even though technically no one’s allowed to go near the dinosaurs. Quinny It does vaguely make sense. Dion It’s like great. It’s like a no go zone. Is there any patrols or anyone managing that? No, we just say don’t go. Speaker And people will not go. Quinny Wait a minute. Like if it’s the entire ring of the equator, that’s quite a lot of travel, like space to try and. Manage. Yeah, but I mean. Dion There’s not lots of stuff there. A little bit. Speaker You know. Quinny Like I don’t know how long the equator is, but I imagine that it’s quite mountain. Jill And it goes right around the middle of the. World. Yeah, covers land and sea. Dion Well, anyway, there’s lots of, you know, research islands and stuff like extra research islands. I also love that it’s like, oh, we have thousands of these islands around the equator. Cool. There’s more research places. I’m like, really. Speaker Yeah. Jill They gave themselves a problem and they gave themselves a very easy way to solve it. Quinny Yeah. Dion Yeah, it’s like and. But I looked at this, this island, and I’m like, man, that that looks even more like more technology and infrastructure went into that island than the park. So now I understand, I feel like ohh, that’s why they got out of the park cause they just didn’t give a ****. Whereas in this one, I was like, oh, this feels like it was. It had more money as could you said. To me, yesterday spared no expense, but we didn’t see that in Jurassic Park in the 1st. No, we didn’t see the spared no expense. It felt like it was, but it wasn’t. And now look at this one. I was like, wow, they’ve they’ve done so much more. There’s, like, helipads and geothermal energy and a whole bunch of things in there. But it’s a bit of a cop out. Quinny I really like. That that whole thing that the first one, you know, we’ve made a a park and we everybody understands theme park. OK, cool. Second film, it’s like AH, but there’s a site B. Dion Yeah. Quinny And you’re like, OK, fine by the time you get to 7 ******* films later, it’s like there’s sight 274B/3. Dion And that sure research area. Quinny Yeah. So what’s so cool about this research? Dion Where? Where do we keep over? Quinny Area I don’t get. It why? Why? Why should we care? Jill It’s the lab where they were doing the genetic experiments, so they were trying to cross breed dinosaurs with DNA. To make more exciting and terrifying dinosaurs, Allah the Dominus racks that we saw in the First Jurassic World. Except I think there were a few failures. Dion Yes, it’s where they kept all of the the the ones that went wrong. Yeah. Yeah, they’re like, oh, we cloned one. Ohh. It’s got an extra leg. Well, well, we can’t get rid of it. It costs a lot of money. So we’ll just see what we can get out. Jill Little bit. Dion But. At the end. Right. Yeah. So like it’s kind of like, oh, you have your, your, your your site B where you raise things that you kind of work because you did standard stuff and then you have your as you said, what was it, the Indominus Rex or whatever which was there. But where did all of the bits that came up to that go? Oh, they were at this other site which specialized in ****** dinosaurs. Jill Yeah. Where did the unaborted fetuses go? Dion Yeah. Quinny OK, right. See there, there is a concept there that I like, if only because one of my favorite bits out of alien for. Dion You mean the bit? Quinny Where there’s the multiple clones of Ripley that they got. Wrong. Speaker 7 Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, it’s. Dion Yeah, like that, yeah. Quinny Yeah, that that kind of horror of like, yeah, we tried multiple times and **** got real messy. Speaker 7 But father, why? Dion Queen. Quinny Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Dion But quinnie, I’m sorry in terms of movie making, that’s not going to happen because we only have the models that we could control C Control V and if every model is distinct and individual. That has different limbs or other things we we can’t do that that is too expensive. Plus we have this really great Tyrannosaurus Rex, one that we’re just going to keep using no matter what. We just reskin it. Another one. Quinny Yep, control Z control V. Dion Yeah, I mean, I’m I’m really into the island of Doctor Moreau. Dinosaur Island too, like, you know, everything is ******. Like if every dinosaur has had some something that was wrong with it in this, I would have been like, this is an interesting thing. Like, if everything like a Tyrannosaurus Rex with really. Really. Quinny Moret. Dion Tiny legs and huge arms that would be. I would love watching that. UM, but yeah. Quinny I would have loved to have seen like the T Rex. That actually still. Had its feathers and they’re like, yeah, this is actually what came out when we genetically did it. But yeah, nobody wanted to see that. And it looked stupid. So we just had to have that on site. ******* 27 B wouldn’t because. Jill That would have been. A better deep cut than just putting a school bus that said Creighton High School on it in. The opening thing like. Dion Yeah, I. Jill Know the taste levels in this film were non active. Quinny Sure. I I did see a sequence where they like they were walking into a a what you would call it like a museum. And they were literally dropping the banner of when dinosaurs ruled the Earth. And I was like, **** me. Dion The banner. Quinny Really, that’s a bit on the nose. Jill Quinny, I will tell you, I will tell you now that is not the first time they exactly ripped off the first film. Quinny Ohh dear. Dion Yeah. Yeah, but. I was written by the same guy who wrote the first film based on the Michael Crichton book. That’s OK, but I do feel. Like. Yeah, it’s a. Jill Is it OK to not do anything original that you have to completely lift sequences? Dion Bit. Quinny Right. Yeah, yeah. Dion Maybe he’s just using. ChatGPT to really he’s like, here’s the story outline. Fill it out. Jill Remember, remember the the fun kitchen sequence with the velociraptors. You wanna see that again? Quinny Yeah, but with a different. Yeah. Excellent. Sweet. Jill Cool, you’ve got it. Yeah. Do you wanna see the sequence well? Speaker 7 Kids. Jill Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got that done alright. Do you wanna see another sequence where someone’s trying to lead a dinosaur away from a? Quinny Wait, OK. Jill Group of people with a flair. Yeah, because you got that. Quinny Too, I love Jurassic. Dion Your thing? Quinny Park. Yeah. The first film. Yeah. Speaker Yeah, like I mean. Dion Sorry, it’s it’s it’s interesting because the ideas that are purported from some of the concepts that presented to us in this. Film I were talking about, you know, interesting, different, distorted kind of things. Like, you know, you’ve got established law like they added amphibian DNA to fill out the chains when they got there. And Can you imagine seeing a Tyrannosaurus Rex or even, you know, some sort of Velociraptor that has a tongue that can fire out? And grab like a frog, like that kind of **** is. Quinny I still want the the ******* thing that’s in the book. The the The Lost World Book, the sequel book. Speaker Uh. That. Quinny Is one of the creepiest bits of the novel that they’ve never adapted to the screen. Probably so. Dion Which was that? Tell tell me of that news. Quinny So there there’s a bit where they’re they’re they’re running away and that’s much like the Lost world film. They’re running away from dinosaurs and suddenly they’re being chased by Raptors and the Raptors **** ***. And they’re, like, hang on, what the **** makes Raptors turn around and run? No way. And they’re like, well, we’ve gone into something else’s territory. We’re in deep ****. We don’t know what it is, and I think it. I think it was a Spinosaurus or something like that, that they patched some of the DNA of of that with a a. Ohh ****. What are the ones that. You can see through. Dion Ohh jellyfish Daniel. Jill The cuttlefish. Quinny No, no. Like the the little gecko, like a gecko. But what are the ones that change? Chameleon. Chameleon. Yeah. So it was like this perfect chameleon dinosaur and everything was scared ******** of it because they could never see it. Speaker Thing. Jill Well, they did that with the Indominus. They put the the cuttlefish DNA in the Indominus and it was camouflage. Dion Yeah. Quinny Ohh I didn’t even remember it being that camouflage. I always think of the Indominus as being kind of just white and dumb looking. Jill No, it was camouflage. Dion Could also and and change its heat signature. And it was, yeah, like they had a whole bunch of weird ****. And it had Velociraptor. DNA. Speaker Yes. Dion And it had everything, and it was linked to the child that was made. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Yeah, that was ******* stupid. OK. So, so yeah. Like it was a cool idea. Yeah. Yeah. That you know something that perfectly camouflaged itself. Yeah. But also is is still a normal looking dinosaur. Dion I mean, yeah, look. This film has it all. It has all of the greatest dinosaurs that you wanted to see kind of. I don’t know. They tell you in the film what the ones that they’re going to go for and then they do that they go to the ones that they’re going for. It has, you know, a great person to hate straight away. It’s got a great team of mercenaries who also had. Quinny Scarlett Johansson was quite pleasant. I don’t. Know what you’re talking. Dion Has a great team of mercenaries that all had distinct personalities and the back story. Yeah, yeah, that was the I was there. I’m like, I’m down for this. This is great. This is gonna be a fun adventure. We’re gonna go to the island and get the things. And I’m like, OK, they got, you know, sluty glasses guy. He was gonna be the person you follow. And then they added a family. Jill Yeah. How Red shirt gang. Dion For no ******* reason. Jill Yeah, that you’ve. Never seen the trailer? There’s just a random. Family got added. Dion Yeah. If it’s just like, oh, we need more people now. It’s like, do, do we. We had the team, we had the team which we could grow to love. And then when they got eaten by a dinosaur, we would feel something. Jill Yeah. Dion In this one, we just get to watch, you know, Ed screen get eaten within the first, like, completely wasted within the first time. Like ohh cool. He’s a military. That was. Yeah, he’s the military guy who’s got the only gun that they seem to have. And then he gets eaten and everyone’s like, cool. So you didn’t pack any other ******* guns. Jill Yeah. Quinny The. Even though you’re going to an island full of deadly dinosaurs. Dion None. And you pack 1 gun. That’s a **** gun anyway. Like. Speaker 2 I don’t. Quinny Understand this. The reason they’re going there is for what? What’s the magnuson? Jill OK, so the pharmaceutical Rep wants to get blood samples from dinosaurs that had the largest hearts because that’s going to cure heart disease. Dion And they could make a **** ton of money. At least they’re open about that straight away, but then also. Jill Yeah, yeah, but it doesn’t work if you only get 1 sample from one large hearted dinosaur, you have to collect three. You have to get the air 1 and the water one and the land one. And together with their powers combined. Will cure heart disease. Quinny I’m Captain dinosaur planet. Yeah. Dion Exactly. And then if you if you use the fire from a flare. Quinny Wow. Dion It all goes together and also, you know, hey, let’s just let’s just throw in. Rupert, Friends standing there going and also didn’t your dad die of heart disease? Don’t you want to do something about that? And it’s like what? OK, it’s fine. We’ll just go. Quinny And heart. Jill Yeah, OK, well, now this is a cause that’s closer. Dion Yeah, yeah, it’s closer to. It’s closer to my heart, but like, ohh, holy ****, you already had us with money. Jill To my heart. So yeah, that will help. Dion Because she was like, that’s real dumb. It’s like, well, here’s a bunch of money. And she’s like, yeah, OK, I can do money. I love money. We’ll do money like that was fine. And then. But, you know, I was on board for that anyway, you know. Jill Done. Dion I also love how what’s his name? Jonathan Bailey’s Henry Loomis. That paleontologist was like. I’m really conflicted about going. To this island that I’ve been like consulting to this pharmaceutical company about how they can make drug and actually like they like he was the one who came up with like no you have to get it from. The heart of a. Living animal while it’s alive and they have to be the biggest. I came up with this idea. It’s like, OK, we’re going the island to do your idea. He’s like, oh, I don’t know if I can go. Jill Yeah, it’s like I’ve just dedicated my life to dinosaurs, and I might have the opportunity to see them in real life, but I don’t. Dion I mean. Jill Think I could. Dion Do it, but I’m slightly morally. Conflicted by it, it’s like. Speaker Wait. Really. Dion Yeah. Anyway, and then there’s an additional family which is just useless. They add nothing to the plot. Nothing. They’re not there for anything. They’re there for different sequences with different dinosaurs. Quinny What are they there for? Jill They literally add nothing to any of the context of the plot. Dion The mercenary team would have been better off not rescuing them. Quinny Right. Jill Yeah. Quinny So they probably would have been better off too. Jill Oh, and the whole family subplot. So it’s not like they were even there for. Fodder. Dion The survival rate in the. Quinny Ohh ****, I thought this. I thought they were gonna be like, you know, the another red shirt but a red shirt that maybe we’re a little bit more invested in because they’re kids or whatever. Dion No. The survival rate in this ******* film is way too high. Jill Yeah, out of like, all of the characters, I’m pretty sure it was like 4 that died, tops. And there was, I gotta say, like 10 or 12 characters in the movie that were on the island. Quinny Right. OK. Jill Yeah. Dion There were 11. There were 11 people on that island. I just counted them up quickly in the car. There were 11 people and out of it like 3. Jill There you go. You go. Speaker And it. Jill Was 4, three or four? Yeah. Dion Died. 33 died. Jill Ohh and it was all in the first like action sequence. Dion Well, no there was. There was. Jill Ohh wait, no there was one later. Two in the first action secrets and. Dion Yeah, there was. There was 2 and then one at the end and yeah. And even someone who did a heroic thing of sacrificing themselves to it, like, you know, to to let everyone get out didn’t die for no explanation. Absolutely no explanation. Yeah. Jill Then one later. Yeah, didn’t I? Dion You explain how that happened, no? You’re gonna explain where the monster. Where did the Montessori’s go? That was literally going to eat him when you went back to pick him up. Quinny And wave it. Away. Jill Yeah, they’re not the swords. Like, as terrifying as it was, was very slow. Dion No idea. The Montessori was. Speaker 7 Didn’t move very quickly at. Quinny I was going to say you may have to help me a. Speaker 7 All. Quinny Little bit. What’s the Montessori, especially as Jill. Jill What the source was like is the Phantom of the opera, so he’s the one that. Speaker 7 Like. Jill Kills the scientists in the lab at the start, but you never really see it until the very end, where it reveals itself. But. Quinny Oh, he’s he’s. Dion Jill, you came up with the greatest explanation of it. This is the special needs dinosaur. Oh, dear. I’m sorry to say it because say that. Yeah, it is. It is the special needs dinosaur because it’s it’s it looks all ******. Quinny You can’t. Dion It is all ****** **. Yeah, but it’s also like it just makes it makes decisions in there, which is like, are you OK, buddy? Are you a special little dinosaur? Ooh, shiny thing. You know, kind of like, that’s the kind of level you get it. It’s supposed to be big and scary and kind of weird. Jill It’s giving Timmy for himself. Dion Then OK, you get that. But like by the end of it, you’re like, you could probably distract this thing with a rock. Speaker Like. Dion Shiny thing? It’s not hunting anyone in particular, it’s. Jill Yeah. Speaker 7 Just yeah, a laser pointer like a. Speaker There. Dion Cat. Yeah, yeah, he’s a laser pointer. It should be. Like ohh over. Here. OK, alright. Don’t worry about him. He’s just. A. Quinny ********. I am looking at the design of it like I’ve found a. Toy of it. Dion Right. Jill Ohh yeah, they made a toy that was a toy. Dion Its official name is Distortus Rex. Jill Yeah. That was just because they. Couldn’t call it the R word. Don’t cancel me. Dion Restore restores Rex. Quinny Yeah. I’m going. I’m just trying to work out why. It has 6 legs. Jill Because it’s an abomination. Quitting. Dion Why not? Quinny Yeah. And a giant alien looking ahead. Actually, you know what it reminds me of doing? It reminds me. Of. Dion A duback it reminds me of a. Rancor. What did you call me? Easy. It reminds me of of like a. A a a not quite a right rancor. Quinny Ohh yeah, but like the tail of the. Jill Rankle from Team who, didn’t we? Speaker 7 Say. Quinny Yeah. Yeah. Rank. God, it does have rankle from Teemo, doesn’t it? Yeah, with a little bit of dew back in there as well. But but dewback with with tiny little dumb **** little baby legs at the front. But then giant *******. Dion Got removed. Jill Excuse me. Quinny Clothes as well. Wow. Yeah, terrible design. Jill And it was very slow. Dion Yeah. Comparatively, yes. Yes. Casper was asking you. Speaker Are. Quinny There any other cool dinosaurs in? Dion There is there is product placement in this which is also funny. OK, here’s the thing. No, there are not really any cool dinosaurs in this. Jill They’re all the stock standard ones that we’ve seen before. There was iguanodons. There was a Tyrannosaurus, there was a. Dion Spinosaurus. Jill Resource resource source. We saw a really fuzzy blurry shot of a couple of loose wrapped. Dion Agodon or whatever they want to call it, Moses areas. Jill There’s there’s flexicoil and. Speaker Oh oh. Dion That, that, that game that gave me the sheets. OK, I need to explain. That one. What? What is in every single? Speaker And. Jill There was a Ankylosaurus, but it was like for 1/2 little second as they’re like rushing through the jungle I’m like. No. Give me ankylosaurus. What? What? Quinny Is the. Dion What is the staple dinosaur across all of the other Jurassic Park movies? What is it? Speaker 7 Yes, velociraptor. Yeah. Dion It’s a velociraptor. How dare you in this one? Only show a Velociraptor or two velociraptors out of focus. Jill Out of focus. Dion Stalking the character you want to die like there’s a character that you want that character to die because it’s just a. Speaker Yeah. Dion Person that didn’t need to be in the field, but also you’re like, yeah, get rid of that, that character that that character’s ******. And then it gets killed. Like they get killed off screen like in the kind of. Behind things so you don’t need to see what happens like. They’re not even. In the frame like ohh we we put lots of Raptors in there. Jill It was supposed to be a comedy beat, but. Quinny Yeah. Anyway, OK, I I will point out that there is a toy of Zora Bennett with the Velociraptor. Dion No, no, no, no, no, they’re well, they kind of I I did look it up. They were like a different kind of Velociraptor that had been engineered. And I’m like, no, that’s just a Pelican with no feathers. Quinny OK, right. So. Speaker You want to be. Jill Hold that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It looked more like a Pokémon. Dion At the end, which was Kinder? Yeah, but you know my favorite dinosaur of this whole movie? Speaker 2 Wow. Dion Merchandising. Dinosaur. That’s right. We’re going to give the little we’re going to give a kid the war merchant door. Yeah, merchant hours. Jill Baby Diner Deloris the baby dinosaur. Dion Yeah, Mercer hours because ******* rogu the dinosaur. All right. OK. Yeah. Jill That’s it. Dion Yeah, groger the dinosaur. Who who manages to to to look. It’s almost like Dora the Explorer. Yes, because that’s what it is. The little girl with the backpack is. Jill Yes, giving Dora. And boots. Dion From from like a Latina background has like adopted. ******* dinosaur. For some reason, even though they’ve been trying to eat her for the whole time, whatever. Quinny And and doesn’t. She say early on that she hates dinosaurs. Yeah. Jill Well, yeah. She just had a traumatic experience with one, and then all of a sudden, she befriends the baby. 1. Because marketing they. Dion I can’t wait for the next one. Jurassic World Re Rebirth, where it’s grown up a little bit and it’s just causing terror around their household because it’s gotten too big. I know, right? Jill Yeah, they should get James Gunn to direct that one. Quinny I mean, you’ll at least make it fun. Maybe Jill. OK. Dion Jill, that’s next week. Speaker Look. Jill You guys know that I love wanton dinosaur destruction as much as the next, but there was 0 in this movie. This was the most this. Quinny And she’s wanting dinosaur destruction. Jill Is the biggest. Let down of my life for a Jurassic film. Quinny Wow. Yeah, yeah. Dion Ohh great it was. Jill Not even any of the scenes with dinosaurs were exciting. Was none of them very mediocre? Dion I I really liked 1 scene which also did not pay. Off at all. Point of the scene. Jill Uh-huh. Dion So, and I’ll say because I don’t really feel like it’s not really a spoiler anyway, they they, their boat crashes, they get they have to swim to the beach. The Moses all can’t get in there, but there’s these other like is it Spinosaurus that are like the sail the sail ones yeah I don’t know the ones are the sail Finn on their back they have been kind of swimming around and you know smartly. Speaker 7 Slide on some things. Speaker Yeah. Dion The dinosaur expert goes. Like, don’t stop at the beach. They’re amphibious, like keep moving. He keeps running like everyone else is like, oh, finally, we made it to the beach. There’s no more dinosaurs, and he just keeps running. Going. Nope. Nope. And phebus amphibious, like and keeps running into there. And I like that. And someone kind of takes a beat on the beach. And you’re looking at the back, and it’s kind of rocks. Speaker Hmm. Quinny Yep. Dion Everywhere and stuff. And then suddenly one of those ones rolls over. Because it’s been lying on the beach flat. So you didn’t see this? The big sail, Finn. And it’s terrifying because you realize. Ohh ****. They’re on the beach already and everyone’s just kind of relaxing and like breathing heavy and going. Oh my God, I can’t. And one rolls over and kind of like slides around. And you’re like. Holy ****, that’s gonna get that person that’s right there. And then they take a beat and it doesn’t for some reason. Another one comes from somewhere. Else to do it and. Then they just **** ***. Yeah, like they see a person dying like ohh no, that happened anyway. Alright, that’s very sad. We should go. And it’s like they would be hunting you. Jill There were a couple of moments that were giving like ohh this is alien vibes. This would work perfectly if they just let into the horror aspect and then they completely swerve the other direction and. Dion Yeah. Yeah, this is. Jill Basically, make a really kid friendly film. Dion Yeah, there’s there’s no horror in this and I think that’s one. Of. The things Queen you’re saying Camp Cretaceous was a. A good TV show. It feels like they they wanted that audience to come and see and they couldn’t get too scary. Quinny Yeah. Well, and the and the stupid thing is in in Camp Cretaceous and chaos theory, they do, you know, have enough actual threat in there like dinosaurs do, eat people and ****. You just don’t see it. Like you don’t see big bodies being munched in half, but. Jill That was the beauty of the first one. That was the beauty of Jurassic Park. They’re terrified. 8 year old me, but I still went back to keep watching. I’m like, this is ******* terrifying. Must watch more here. Quinny Dinosaur leaping. Sir. Absolutely. Speaker Yeah. Dion They don’t. They do. They hate that guy on the toilet, like the lawyer. Jill Yes, snapped him up, chewed him, gobbled him. Quinny Down. Yeah, exactly. Jill Getting electrified on fences. Dion As a. Quinny Yeah, and and the, the, the. Jill Joke ******** your pants in the kitchen. Yeah, yeah. Quinny The Raptors were ******* scary because they were smart, yes. Speaker 7 Jello. Speaker Yeah. Give me. Quinny That I mean. Come on. There’s a girl. Dion This is this is a like Jurassic Park, is it? Jill I ohh Dion, did I tell you or did I not tell you that I wanted them to say clever girl in this movie? Dion Is it what? Jill And it didn’t happen all the. Dion Exactly. We’re waiting for regrets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially considering you’ve got a female lead. Jill Of all the things. Speaker Yeah. Dion Like you know, and. Jill Yeah, straight female characters. Yeah, that 41 got eaten, but still. Dion Yeah, only it’s it’s one of those. It’s one of those things that I was like. Jurassic Park. The first one is great because you take two kids, you terrorise them with an attack and then the first thing that Ian Malcolm. Sorry. No. Ian. Malcolm. Sam. Meals. Thing is, is also scare them is to make them like. Speaker 7 Oh yeah, with the color and the. Dion No, no, not no, no, the the like the electrified fence. I forgot about that. They’ve just gone through gold. Jill Yeah, that’s the first moment he met them. He shows them the the talent and he’s like that. Rip your guts. Out like this? Dion No, that was the kid. That was a shift head at the archaeological view. Quinny Oh no, I’m pretty. The to the little kid as well, really. Jill It doesn’t terrified a kid. Oh. Dion Yeah. Ohh yeah, yeah. But like also, I love that like it’s traumatic experience. We should terrorise them a little bit more. I’ll play that joke and then they get terrorized again. Like it is about scaring kids. And this one is not about scaring kids. This one is about making. You know who’s scared in this? Jill It wasn’t. There wasn’t even jump scare in this I don’t think. Dion No. Quinny And yet it’s been very popular and made. Jill Why? But why? Why? Quinny A lot of. Speaker Money. Quinny That was my question. That’s my question. Why? Jill I think it’s all the people with chat. Deputy brain rot. Quinny Who would? Just like yay dinosaur fan? Dion It’s it’s, it’s it’s a movie. Like it’s a movie from a pitch deck. It’s like, here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Right. Write it all together for some reason and do it also you. Let’s throw in a message there which I think is Gareth Edwards touch like he’s I feel like Gareth, who’s a good director like I don’t, I don’t think his films are bad. He he wanted to tell a message in it, but he had to do it. In such a. Way, which is like corporations are bad and we should like work together with each other and it just feels ham fisted because he’s been handed a bunch of scenes that he has to put in this movie that don’t make ******* sense. Also, yes again, you mentioned that the other thing quinny the magical blow up boat that seems to be the only thing that can stop dinosaur bites. Yeah. Yeah, because they’re 2 rubbery. Jill Completely imperceptible to teeth. Dion Yeah. Can’t Pierce a a blow up boat. Quinny Oh, we’re OK. Dion Which is also done in the stupidness. Quinny I’d I’d only read about it and I was like, ohh OK. Magical rubber dingy. Cool, yeah. Speaker Sticky. Dion Magical rubber, sweet, but also dumb. I mean that whole sequence which was specifically design. Mind for just the T Rex attack was not particularly scary, thrilling or interesting. It was just like they’re gonna get away. Everyone and no one dies. Quinny Is is the is the T Rex still even remotely scary? Jill No, not in comparison to anything else these days. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Yeah, right. Because when that. When it first shows up in that first film and you know you don’t see it for a while, it eats a goat off screen and you’re. Like oh ****. Jill Yeah. Quinny And then it finally shows it up. And it’s this ******* magnificently terrifying thing in the dark. Jill Yeah. Quinny It was incredible, was there. Jill Yeah. Speaker That. Jill The scariest thing, but like since Jurassic World, he’s just been good guy T Rex. He’s like he’s our pet. Speaker Yeah. Quinny And that is a problem, isn’t it? Like if you’re now a good guy, we can rely on T Rex to always come through for us. Jill Yeah. Again, another slow dinosaur. How how are people in a dinghy outgrowing a Tyrannosaurus Rex? Dion Yeah. Or is swimming like, how is a river at both times deep enough for a Tyrannosaurus Rex to swim and then? Quinny It’s funny. Speaker 7 But also the stick. It’s like that Godzilla thing where he’s in the ocean. It’s like his legs go all the way. Dion But also to stand in. Quinny Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 7 Down. They can still serve. Dion I’ll stand there and go. Oh, no. I’ve been foiled by my one weakness. A small gap in rock. Quinny Casper, I think has hit the absolute nail on the head there. Have the solution. We give the Dinos lasers. I also agree that they should have lasers and should have people riding them. I know riders. Dion Yeah. Yeah. Quinny I mean, it’s not that ******* hard, guys. Dion I mean, come on, there are plenty of islands. There’s gotta be some Indigenous tribe there that’s been left with. And also has domesticated them and now is using them to, you know, fight battle. Why not? Quinny Yeah, I’m down for that. Yeah. Dion Yeah, yeah. I mean the rest of Hollywood is bankrupt, so why not this one? Hi, Amy. Quinny I love the fact that they they go into all of the effort of going OK in the previous films. We’ve now set dinosaurs out into the world and the the whole idea of Jurassic World is that yeah, we are now living in a Jurassic. Dion It’s the world. Yeah, yeah. Quinny World, where there’s dinosaurs and **** like that. And it’s like, yeah, no undo all of that. Take them out of society so that society just doesn’t care about them and we’re going to put them in a small band in the middle of the of the planet. Dion Yep, we’ve gone across the world to come all the way back around. No back to islands in the Pacific. Yeah, yeah. Speaker Yeah. Dion Cool. Quinny Is Scarlett your handsome good. Jill She’s adequate. Dion You know what I gotta say, all the cast is great because, like they, they are trying very hard. Like they’re all likable. I liked. Wait. OK, let me separate this out. All of the cast from the mercenary side. Like the the you get introduced straight away. They’re all actually quite likable, you know. They’re stereotyped out, so you know who’s who to follow. You know, you got the boat, captain. You got the the mercenary. You got the evil creepy guy. Like it’s very aliens. Easy to follow. It’s like predator. I think I explained that one. It’s like. In the first predator film, by the time they’re on the helicopter going out to the mission, you have identified exactly the difference between all of them and how they work. So yeah, it’s a good way to introduce a cast of different people. Same kind of thing here, here’s all the cast and then they. Had. A boat full of family. That you hate. Like all of them are *****, pretty much or. Bless. Jill Yeah, they were pointless, they. Dion They’re all. Jill Were fine, but they were. Pointless. Dion Yeah, fine. But they’re pointless. And then they mix them up. And I was like, this is just irritating and the most irritating thing I think I found about it was after they, their boat crashes, they split them up again to the exact same groups. And that is dumb. Like I mean you presented you, you could have at least given half the mercenaries to the family and half the family to the mercenaries. Speaker Hmm. Jill If you had mixed them up. Then it’s like, OK, how do we now work with what we’ve got to complete the mission that we have to do, but also get you back safely to get? Dion Because the family’s just trying to get off the island and the mercenaries just default back to Ohh well, they’re dead. We’ll. Speaker 7 And leave the island. Dion Just go and get the blood we need. Jill Yeah. They’re like, oh, maybe they’ll need us at that helipad that we told. Them about who knows. Dion Yeah, yeah. Jill And then when they do, they’re like. Quinny Oh my God, you made it. Dion My God, we never thought we’d see you again. Speaker 8 Yeah, that’s. Speaker 7 The grey. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quinny The Quetzalcoatlus thing, the the big flying one, is there anything called with? Speaker What? Jill I mean, no, they’re raiding its nest and then it comes back and it eats one of them. Dion No. Speaker Oh. Dion Do you know what was scarier in the previous films? Jill Ohh yeah, they’ve wait, but Joe Bailey fell off a Cliff and survived. Dion Because everyone survives, you can’t not survive, right? Also getting up the Cliff is hilarious because, like, we have to make it up there by, like, you know, in the next few hours. Speaker Yeah. Dion And then they’re just. There. Yeah. Like how how no one can climb that fast. You couldn’t even take an escalator. Fast, but like OK, the the the flying dinosaur like that, the terradon that was in the in the second one. No third one in justified. Well, they went to the Avia and they were like, Oh my God, there’s an aviary. That was scary. And then the eating people off the off the, the the resort in Jurassic World that’s also terrifying. In this one it’s just kind. Of like. Quinny Ohh Margarita man being picked up. I love that. It was great. Dion Yeah, like all of that kind of stuff. That was this one just kind of felt like ohh no, they got their thing for the thing and now they’ve got their thing, OK. Then they disappear. It’s like, great, now bird is gone and then have to. Speaker Yeah. Dion Worry about bird anymore. Jill Yeah. Yeah, they’re. Like, oh, so once we complete that mission, how do we get off the island? And Scarjo says, Ohh well, there’s a helicopter that I prepared earlier. It would be here at dusk on the second day and it will hover for two minutes precisely. So we must be there at the appointed time so we can leave. Dion Yes. And then leave. Quinny Here’s one I. Dion Prepared, yeah, exactly 100%. Jill Precisely. Quinny Yeah. I’m sorry. Just wanna wanna call out something Karina has just said in the chat that there’s a mystery temple that they never explain. Jill So they’re like. Yeah, because they’re on some random ******* island where a lab has been set up. But here’s like this main looking temple. That are, you know, aptly named Quetzal cottis’s nesting in and they’re like, oh, yeah, whatever. Quinny Oh no worse. Yeah, just and wave that away. Yep. Yeah, cool. Dion Yeah. Yeah, it’s. There’s a lot of hand waving this way. Actually, there’s a fun one. I know that we’re. We haven’t even got to like ratings or spoilers. I don’t really care. I don’t. Want to play the clip anymore? Speaker 7 We’re kind of really spoiling this whole movie right now, but it’s not a particularly good movie, I’m afraid, guys. Quinny Yeah, I’m feeling like I didn’t I. Dion Didn’t even want to play the clip of the family. No, I really enjoyed the weird threesome that was. That was the unintended. Jill Oh yeah, what? Joe Bailey in the ****. Chair. Speaker 7 yeah Dion When they’ve when they’ve finally come across. Yeah, what are they called? They’re like. Big the big they’re not brontosaurus or whatever. They’re gigantosaurus whatever they’re like. They’re kind of cool, but. Speaker Gig gig addon Adam. Dion Gigaton. Quinny Giga Dong, well done. Jill We didn’t get sleep, got no pain, there was no diesel pain. It just kind of made out for a bit. Now see it. Speaker We. Dion We said we supposedly supposed to get to this really beautiful moment where these two gigantic gigantosaurus are titanosaurs or whatever it is are like mating. And they go like, oh, my God, we’ve stumbled onto this field where all these things are and they’re mating and we need to get that. Jill Titanosaurus Higdon this course. Oh my God. Wait, wait. Can I just say they’re in a field with absolutely nothing, and then they turn slightly and here are these big **** *** dinosaurs, and then they turn around just a little bit more. And then there’s like 100 of them. Speaker Why? Speaker 8 It is cold. Dion Yeah, I mean it plays. It plays exactly into that thing which has been established in the previous ones. It’s like do not go into the long grass. That’s where the velociraptors hunt. And you go in, they’re walking in there like, oh, great. We’re finally getting to the action edit. And it’s just ******* giant ones. It just happened to be there. Jill Yeah, there’s nothing. Ohh, this is fantastic. Ohh wait. Hang on. Ohh, look at that big one. Speaker 7 Another big one. I’ll be right on top of. Speaker 8 Us. What the? Dion It’s. *******. It’s supposed to. Yeah, it’s supposed. Jill Thing. Speaker 7 Wait, what? There’s a hundred more over there? Yeah. Dion It’s supposed to be this really beautiful moment for Jonathan Bailey’s character as the paleontologist to go, Oh my God, I’m watching this happen in real life and I can see this, and he gets too close to them and touches them. But it is just the fact that there are these two titanosaurus and they just curl like twist sort of twist their necks like ******* snakes. They just do that. Jill Yes, they’re just making it out. They’re making. Quinny Out they’re making. Dion And he’s and. And he’s putting his hand on it. And I’m like, that is the worst part of the reason right there. There is the awkward guy just trying. To get involved. Well, these two are like, what are you doing? Speaker 7 Getting in the middle of the. Jill Well, just I’m just gonna get scratching here. Oh, no. OK. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do I just do an intro or just leave my hand here? Meanwhile, the dinosaur kind of looks down and goes. What are? You doing yes. Speaker 7 Like is this working for you? Dion Stop looking at me. Quinny So he’s in the Cockfield exactly. Dion Yeah. And then Sky Joe shoots it with a dart for blood for blood and that kind of thing. And that’s how you go. Jill And then they’re like. 2 down, one to go. Dion I also love how they celebrate every time they get a vial they have they have a they’re like a, a a briefcase full of like, which has space for three vials of blood that that they kind of are using as the as the the progress meter for the game that is this movie. And they all get really excited about harvesting this blood and it’s. Like. You know that you’re the bad guys, right? You’re the bad people. You’re like in Jen from the second movie. You. Quinny Know. So is there a point where like and and this is me not having seen it. OK, thank you. Is is there a moment where the the the obviously not great. Jill There’s no point. Speaker 1 There is no point. Quinny And the guy at the start turns on them. And of course, OK, just I just just checking. Of course he’s. Speaker 7 Ohh yes, very early. Very early in the movie. Dion He’s established as a complete **** **** the very start, like when. Quinny He kind of books them just like that. Dion When they’re in, when they’re in the the the water. But like, you know, and then of course he finds. Speaker 7 Yeah, they’re like. Jill No, you’re not a good dude. But we’re just gonna. Look over here. Dion Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we you have money and we do that. And then eventually, of course, he makes. Jill Until the moment when they’re like. I think we can get rid of this. Guy, if we just do nothing. Dion Yeah. Yeah. And then you’re. You’re right, Kenny. He he does. Carter Burke himself. He he tries to escape him. Leave them all for dead while he tries to get away. And that’s the Carter Burke, you know, right. Not even a satisfying death for him. Just a boring death. Jill Yeah. It’s not getting eaten on a toilet. Speaker Yeah. Dion That’s for sure. No, it is not. And anyway, they all get out and they live happily ever after in only to time to come back now and. Jill And we never find out what they did with the. Quinny Samples. Ohh really. Nope. Dion They kind of say what they plan on doing. Speaker 7 Jay, just leave the island and that’s it. Dion But they don’t say what. There’s no post thing that’s kind of like M we should agree to do this. Yeah, maybe end of film. Ohh alright. Speaker 7 Yeah. Dion Sure. Quinny Should we have a clip? And then do our ratings? Do you want to do it the? Other way around I don’t get. I didn’t wanna I. Speaker 7 Whatever works. Dion Don’t even wanna play the clip. It’s so dull. Quinny Oh. Dion Because it’s just the family. Quinny Oh, OK. Dion No, **** it. I’ll just play the. Quinny Clip and the the clip I want to I. On. Want to? I want to see the clip. Speaker 7 What happened, Dad, where is? Speaker He I don’t. Know. Speaker 8 I’ll go back down. I’ll keep looking. Speaker 2 Speaker 8 Right. Speaker 2 What? Speaker 3 Come on, come on, come on. Speaker 7 Are you? Dion Ohh thank God they all live and no one dies and there are no consequences for anyone in this whatsoever. Jill Yeah. Dion Yeah, yeah, yes, I know. Karina. How was he? Out. Swim. The mosa saw. We don’t answer these questions. We just watched the films. Jill How were they able to outrun a Tyrannosaurus? How was Kincaid able to outrun the? Montessori’s. Dion Rex, why was the mosasaur in the open ocean? Also hunting slash, swimming around with the the with the. Jill Spinosaurus that we’re in. The middle of nowhere. Dion In the middle of nowhere and those just, they just disappear. Jill In the middle of nowhere, an amphibious dinosaur was in the middle of the Atlantic helping a mosasaur hunt. Yep. And then where did it go? Speaker Yes. Dion They just ****** off. We don’t know. Why? Jill Where did it go? Dion And then, sorry and then? Jill We’re doing spoilers right now, yeah. Dion And then and then wait. Quinny Right and pretty, Kanga says I have to ask is? Jill It really called the Montessori. No, it’s just a really monted looking dinosaur. Dion No, we just call it the Montessori. Exactly. Quinny Like Distorters Rex, but let’s go with yeah, yeah. Dion That’s what we say, like, not Billy and the connoisseurs, Billy and the Montours. The the other thing is that that mosasaur like knocks the boat over that they’re on because it’s it’s whatever, ******* territorial. Who cares. And then right after that. Scene where it kind of just misses the guy getting on the boat. Then it just goes. No, pull it. Now go **** ***. Yeah, and it just ***** off like. Jill Yeah. Dion But it wouldn’t. What? Why? You know. Jill This was the stuff that was missing. If they had completely trashed the boat and eaten the family. Would have loved it. Dion Fine. Yeah, it could have just been nameless family gone because also as they said it, it just ***** off and then they pick the people up and then the Moses source decides actually, no, the the other boat, that’s the power boat full of mercenaries. That’s the one I’m going to buck up and run aground onto the island. You’re like, wait, it it it could easily funked up a a A. Sailboat, but it knew it had stuff on, and yet it decided to take on the heavily armoured boat. Jill Catamaran. Speaker Yeah. Dion No good reason. Quinny I’m in one of the artworks for this that that like also just want to put it out there the the the art, the thing that first indicated to me that perhaps this movie was a bit **** is that all of the posters and everything that I could find looked like the worst *******. Speaker Yes. Quinny Photoshop jobs that I’ve ever seen. Like it, it’s pictures of like clearly CGI body with its gullet. Your Hansen’s face just kind of pasted onto it halfway up a Cliff or something like that. Not footage, not shots, anything like that. And there is a design in one of them that I went. The **** is that? It has a beaky kind of face, but it looks a bit like a Raptor. Jill Yeah, that’s the new kitchen. Dinosaur. Except we’re doing it in a convenience store, but it’s the exact same secret. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah, the the convenient. The convenient dinosaur. Jill Yeah, that’s the Pokémon looking one. Dion Yeah, that’s the. Quinny Right. Dion One is like if you took a. Pelican and you took all the feathers off it. Yeah, kind of. Jill Thing it’s a little bit flying. It’s a little bit water tight, but. Dion It it’s I I called it the goiter dinosaur because it’s got the big kind of flopped up neck that it kind of does, but it’s just it’s just dull. Speaker Yeah. Dion Right. It does. Yeah, it has no problem. Like there’s there’s no real reason to do it. Quinny Dion It was just there to be like, oh, this is scarier than a Raptor is like, is it because it’s not? You could have just had a Raptor. Quinny Right. OK. Dion You could have you could you could have made a Raptor with the plates of a stegosaurus. Or imagine you’re a Raptor with the the the horns with horns like you could have done. Yeah. Yeah, you’re ******* with genetics and stuff too. That ****. Make a Raptor with horns so it could impale people. Quinny Like a tricera wrapped. Yeah, or. Dion That would be ******* scary. Quinny Or what? Jill How come when I’m trying to think of that that one? Quinny Looked like and I get an anklyosaurus. What? What’s the ones that the the head butting ones they? Ankles, horses or. Jill No, that’s the. The. Dion I think it’s a goto asaurus. Quinny I’ll wait for you. Jill Was in the last one. He was in Dominion. I can’t remember. Quinny Yeah, yeah, I I know. Karina will be able to say Pachycephalosaurus. Yeah, yeah. You know, get a *****. But give that, like, a crown of thorns of of horns or something like that, you know, go for something really ******* out there and mutant and weird. And I’ll be like, OK. Speaker Hey. Speaker 7 Sure. Quinny Cool. It sounds like we’re not not weird enough. Dion Yeah, I I feel like they’re like, oh, we’re going to do the island of meat and dinosaurs. It’s like, cool. So we don’t really have models that we can do that with because they cost more money. So where do you want to focus on? Is that do we have to keep the other cast of the family with the boat in? Right? It’s like, no, can we get rid of them? No, they have to stay. No, weird dinosaurs. Just use the dinosaurs you already got. It’s it’s a. It’s a bit, yeah. It’s weird, right? So ratings. Quinny Yeah, I was gonna say drop some numbers at me like and and if you’ve seen it in the chat, which I know Karina has. You know, drop some of that with with a number after it, so I know what’s gone on. Dion 25-O Jesus just ******. Speaker Wow. Dion It’s it’s annoying on both sides. It it? It neuters the dinosaurs and their effectiveness and their scariness, and it also neuters the really good cast you had. And the smart things you could have done and the director, I feel. I feel like everyone kind of. Got. Castrated by this, for whatever reason, I don’t understand why I didn’t like it that much, and I would probably no, I can’t really defend. I’m thinkin
M3gan 2.0 The B1tc# is B@ck is not the tagline for this movie… but it could very easily have been. After the surprise hit that was the first M3gan, Blumhouse have done what they do best, and that is turn around a moderately budgeted sequel in a surprisingly quick time. Does this make for an excellent film that expands the original property and deepens the lore and background of the character? No. Does is make for an energetic romp that features not one but two murderous cyborgs with dead, doll-like eyes, doing martial arts and ridiculous stunts? Possibly. Listen in the full review to get the down low on the download. D10n , Qu1nny and J1ll are all on board for this episode and you better believe they not only have opinions, but a bunch of ways the film could have been SO much better. Synopsis Two years after M3GAN, a marvel of artificial intelligence, went rogue and embarked on a murderous rampage, its creator, Gemma, has become an advocate for government oversight of AI. Unbeknownst to her, a defense contractor has created a military-grade weapon known as Amelia, the ultimate infiltration spy. However, as Emlia’s self-awareness increases, it becomes less interested in taking orders. Hoping to stop Emilia, Gemma decides to resurrect M3GAN, making it faster, stronger, and more lethal. https://youtu.be/Aiam4GCb-ug As always, a digitally self aware thank-you to the dolls and action figures who join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEDT. And an especially huge thanks to any of the A.I. chat bots and art programs who are kind enough to support us by programming a tip in our jar via Ko-Fi, or subscribing on twitch… every bit helps us to keep the lights on and keep Alexa happy or just pay for hosting…) If you feel so inclined drop us a sub we really love them, The more subby mc-sub-faces we get, the more Emotes You get! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLHdEzsk1s&pp=ygURbTNnYW4gMi4wIHRyYWlsZXI%3D WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too! We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript Dion Ohh yes. Speaker 7 It’s a feminine on and on and on and on. Norman non. Something like that. Speaker 4 Play diva humpty. Yeah, yes. Dion That’s what’s yes, it’s it’s all it’s all about female empowerment. You’re right about what else you’re right about here. Quinny Sort of, yeah. Dion No. Jill We trained our AI writing script on 1000 hours of RuPaul’s Drag Race and. This is what it came up with. Dion And yeah, and it’s actually better than. Quinny You you spent so long working out whether you could, you didn’t see whether you should but but but funnily. Going on this next week, sorry. Dion Enough that AI chat bot is still better than grok so. Quinny Yeah. Dion Hello, welcome to period. My name is and. Jill Jillian on. I am J1 all. Quinny QY Q1 and bifurcated numbers. Dion Yes. That’s right. And and Quinn, three, who’s there? And tonight we are talking about the sequel to the 2023. Jill Movie, yeah. Dion Methree again, I refuse to call anything else than. That Reagan 2. Speaker 8 I guess. Dion Yeah. Oh my God. Jill 3 and 2.0. Dion Yeah. Sorry. You’re right. 3 and 2.0, which if we’re going to follow these conventions, it’s going to be math. 3 gun version 4. Beta. Yeah, well, no version 4.1 final final use. This one final please. Final. Quinny Yeah. So no, really no really final and then you’ll find it in the wrong folder cause you for some reason chose the wrong place where you saved. Dion It. Yeah, yeah. Or someone will desperately call you and go. Did you make a backup of it? I deleted it accidentally. Quinny Always. No. Dion No or you start writing it in like a cloud based service and then suddenly someone will produce the movie 3 months before you were releasing it and. Speaker Thanks. Dion You’re like, OK. Quinny Hey, it looks like you’re trying to write a. Script for a. Sequel, you want me to **** it? Dion Up for you. Completely bad news. We’ve already scraped it and. Really. Sit in China. It’s bad when you get to the point where even asylum films are being outdone by people stealing the once. Speaker 7 That’s awesome. Quinny Oh, it hurts. It hurts and it hurts. Dion That’s not miss Reagan. Quinny No. So I want to know. Speaker Yeah. Quinny I I can’t remember. Did we all enjoy? I think we all enjoyed Megan, didn’t we? Jill We did quite thoroughly. We actually looked up the scores that we gave. Dion We did. Quinny It ohh damn you know. Dion Yeah, we did, yeah. When you weren’t here because you were late. COVID and I. Yeah. Now Jill and I went back and looked it up and we reviewed it in 20 January of 2023. And we gave it got a full score. Quinny Ohh Jesus Christ, because I’ve got for ********. Dion 85 because Karina’s score dropped it down from what would have. Been like nothing. Quinny Oh. Dion So we all had a nice time. Jill Thanks Karina. Dion Yeah. Quinny Good. Damn it. I mean, she’s in the chat right now. She could enter. Speaker 8 Yes. Yeah. Quinny For herself, yeah. Dion 100%. Quinny And incomes cash for with. Like that. Dion Subbing subbing for that. Jill Thank you. Thank you. As 51 month streak. Quinny Oh my God. Jesus. That’s incredible. Speaker 4 Wow. Wow. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s. Jill God. Is that like how? Long. We’ve been. Yeah, it’s on Twitch. Dion Just swinging here. Yeah, yeah, at least. Quinny Yeah. Yeah, look. Jill Rocky. Dion We had to. We had to do all this stuff when it all became apparent that we couldn’t get together and talk about it, and now we just kept doing it. Speaker Hmm. Dion Yeah. So. Quinny We’re we’re still rocking and also Karina, I love the carinas. Not even sorry with her mark. She’s like, whatever. Jill Yeah. Dion Sorry. Jill No regrets. Dion Totally, no regrets. Look, I mean, thinking back to the time when we saw the original, I had a great time with it. It was a fun, quirky, slightly creepy Horror Story. It was. Jill Yeah. Dion We gave it a good score. It had a a fun thing in it. It had the weird dancing. It had the the, like sort of animal running. Very. Yeah. Very camp. But also kind of very creepy. And you just didn’t know how things were going to go. Jill Yeah, it was highly camp. Quinny It had a bit of style to it too, like it was, it was, you know, a pretty standard like slasher kind of thing. It was. It was child’s play, but with ale. Jill Yeah, it’s like, how do we ask the fibroid a. Quinny Chucky. Yeah. And I I was was very, very much into that. And like, you know. The the bit with. Yeah. Weird doll face thing chasing kids through the woods and you know, like a dog and ****. Jill Yeah. Pushing them in front. Of cars or? Quinny Yeah, yeah, there was. There was a whole bunch of cool **** in that first film, but I was like, oh, yeah, that’s actually kind of fun. There’s a. Jill Lot really kind of subverted the horror genre as well, but like being so overtly camp, I mean there are quite a lot of camp horror movies that, you know, become cult classics. But this was like. Dion Yeah. Jill For the modern era, you know about AI and. Speaker 7 Yeah. Dion Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah. Jill What it’s doing to kids and that kind. Of stuff so. Dion It was near futurism, you know, it’s kind of like it’s, you know, we’re building robotics. Jill Syfy slant. Dion Yeah, robotics are more incorporated. It’s close to where we are. It’s a bit Black Mirror, but also it was, it was funny. Because watching. That’s creepy. It’s creepy. Funny you. Quinny That was the thing I think that. Know that was the thing that that really worked for me the first time around was that it was. Funny and like when it did creepy, it did creepy well, but there was enough knowing nods and funny to make. Dion Yeah. Quinny You go oh. Yeah, this this knows what it is. This. Dion Knows where it’s at and to be completely honest, begging for a sequel. You know, as soon as that the the credits rolled on the first one I was like, Yep, that will do. Yeah. Now we got a new franchise of the freaking. Speaker 7 Hold. Dion Killer Sassy killer robot *****. I like her. Let’s go. And now, what are we almost 2 and a bit years later, we’ve got 3 and 2.0. Speaker Yeah. Hmm. Dion Which is. Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, I mean. Jill I mean, I don’t think patina particularly. No, really. We’re like, OK, So what were all the things about? The first one that made it successful and what everybody loved, it’s like, great, let’s do that again, but more. Speaker Yeah. Hmm. Dion Yeah, I love. Like all of it when I think about the marketing for it. I was watching this come. I was like, oh, they’re now sound. Like, great, this sounds good. And then it was just catch phrase, catch phrase, neon catch phrase. And I’m like, oh, no. Speaker Yeah. Dion Oh, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, I didn’t like. I didn’t like the catch phrases from the first movie. I like the creepy murderbot. Speaker Yeah. Jill Yeah, they’re. Yeah, they’re like ohh quick. Culture is like really latched on to this, like, let’s pander to them more and just like, turn her into hunty diva boots, the house down, Yas Queen. Dion Yeah, yeah. Speaker 8 And it lost all. Speaker 4 Of the horror. Quinny Like, I mean, what was what was the? Dion Thing with it was like, ohh Miss Megan’s the the the horrible murderous robot. Oh yeah, that should be the person. We’ve got to empathize with. And following the sequel, it’s like, No, No, we don’t. Quinny No, no, you there are many things that you have taken away from this first film that you’ve taken away role. Speaker What have we? Dion What if we made her the antihero? No, please. No, no, guys, no. Quinny So do do you do you want a synopsis? I have the synopsis. Speaker 4 Ohh please. Dion Sure. I actually don’t have any music, but. Quinny No, no, that’s OK like. Dion There you go. I’ll put a little bit in. Quinny The background. There we go, OK. And I I don’t think I can do any kind of. Robot voice for this. Dion No, you. Quinny Cause like she’s, she’s auto tuned. It’s it’s all very, you know, Glados. It’s not a. Speaker Quinny Thing. Speaker 7 Quinny Two years after Megan. Mr. Egan. Whatever you wanna call it, a marvel of artificial intelligence went rogue and embarked on a murderous rampage. Its creator, Jammer, has become an advocate for government oversight of AI. Very exciting. Unbeknownst to her, a defense contractor has created a military grade weapon known as. Amelia. Here, the ultimate infiltration spy. However, as Amelia’s self-awareness increases, it becomes less interested in taking audits, hoping to stop Amelia. Gemma decides to resurrect at Merigan, making it faster, stronger, and more lethal. That’s not entirely. Accurate, no. I also I’m gonna assume that an idiot wrote this because it goes from being Amelia to Amelia, like there are typos and she had. All through it. Dion So what you’re telling me? Is the AI wrote this? Quinny I think it may have been written. Speaker No. Quinny By II cause it’s. Yeah, like it’s Amelia, the Emilia, and then something else. Dion Yeah. Quinny Well done everybody. Dion All of the characters that were there in the first one are back in the second one, and that’s yeah, kind of great. Like, you know, there wasn’t anyone who was offensive. Speaker 1 Yeah. Dion You know, and that some of the ideas that were presented were pretty good, you know, like, as in, how do you do a sequel? What are we gonna go here? I I have to say it’s not one of those ones that is kind of really dumb. Dumb logic. Like there’s a few jumps. Yeah. Yeah. Quinny No. Jill No, I mean like when I heard the plot for the film, I was like ohh, that sounds dumb. I’m in. Yeah, but like, in a fun way of like, it’s gonna be a camp horror film again. I can. I can buy into the ridiculousness of the movie, especially because like the cast is so good at selling it as well. Speaker Hmm. Quinny Yeah. And then. Yeah, and and I. Mean you’ve kind of got that tradition. Of something like Terminator and then Terminator 2 where you know the first one kill the robot second one. Ohh we make the robot the protector. But like cool. Yeah. And as Casper says, a worst to murder too. Yes. Yeah, Terminator 2 where like the the bad guy doesn’t have any. Any of the interestingness of the T1000. Speaker 7 I’m worse. Dion Kind of. Or, yeah, yeah, a major Japanese. Do you know, like Arnold Schwarzenegger always wanted to do more comedy, more comedy. You know, anything. Imagine if they just let him into. Medicine. Speaker Oh. Quinny Do you remember the the the the shots in Terminator 3 where he’s like he puts on the the the star sunglasses and stuff? Dion Yeah. And that’s kind of. Kind of weak. Yes. Quinny All that, yeah. Dion And that is kind of this version of of Megan. It’s like the yassif tied. Meghan. Speaker It’s yeah. Dion Versus. Jill To the to the absolute enth degree. Like they they went too far. They turned the dial too far. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Fighting. Yeah. Fighting her as well. Not sister, but like cousin. Quinny All the way to levity, stupid. Cousin ****. Dion Sorry. Yeah, shin hottie from Asoka has has has appeared now as a murderous. Another murderous girl in this one which is, you know more realistic. And that was one of the things that kind of made me a little annoyed too. Was like ohh they took the idea like the the building blocks of Megan and made another one. And this one looks like a real person though. It’s like no part of the reason Meghan was creepy. You know. Well, yeah. No, she’s just murder robot, like stock standard dog standard murder robot. You know who’s hot? Ish. Hmm. Jill Yes, exactly. Quinny For for a yeah, in a prepubescent, weird way. Like, yeah, it’s. Jill Don’t get me wrong, I still had a good time. I still enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed the movie. I was. Quinny I was. I was. OK, that’s what I wanted to know. Jill Spying the plot. 2°. Speaker Yeah. Jill The actors again really sold it. Quinny Yeah. Jill They you know, they they were committed to the bit. You could tell that they were on the emotional journey. Just the thing that bothered me was it was so obvious. That they were. Trying to go harder than they did the first time around and it really just kind of lost the specialness of it being a subversive horror film. Speaker Yes. Quinny 100%. Speaker Yeah. Dion And I feel like they muted. Jill Yes. Dion Megan, in a certain way, because they were like, no, no, the actual murder 1 is this other robot who will do the evil murdering, and then we’ll limit. Speaker Oh, gorgeous. Speaker 4 I feel. Jill Like Meghan in the first one was, like, really harsh and like a Serbian, but this one was just kind of like. Dion Again. Hmm yeah. Jill Yeah, yeah, Devo let’s do. It. I’m like, what? Yeah, no, like, compliant. I don’t really get. Dion Yeah. It, well, the creepy thing about the first one, which I really liked is she was quiet. She was observant and she would be calculating, and that was the creepy thing about it. You, you. She’d be standing there looking and you’re like, what the **** is that thing thinking about in this one? They just put that internal monologue straight out. Quinny Yeah. Speaker Yeah. Jill Yeah, it was way too vocalised. Dion In that. Of like. Quinny Yeah, yeah, at no point in time. Are you questioning what her thoughts are? I mean, the the they do their best to give you a whole bunch of twists and turns and you know, shouldn’t be just a who’s a good. Dion I’m doing this now. Jill Yeah, I appreciated that because yeah, there was a lot of moments where I was like, oh, OK. Quinny Guy who’s a bad guy. Jill It’s not the that’s not what I thought it was. OK, well, we’re going somewhere else on this journey. But Megan, just monologue too much. Quinny Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jill So like all of her motives were like out there. Dion Yeah. Quinny But also it felt like it had it had taken it from being a like a a creepy little, you know, stalky horror film like hand that rocks the cradle. Is this this cute thing suddenly deadly? It literally turns it into a candy coated weird sci-fi like superhero film like and I I’m look ************, I’m all down for candy coated superhero sci-fi, but this felt like Shark boy and lava girl a lot more of the time than it felt like Megan. Jill Yeah. Dion Including that you know the the images, it’s just off to the side there where she looks like love the girl like. Quinny You know. Dion You’re saying? Jill Oh yeah, yeah. That moment from like, the the thing where she was in a costume. I’m like, when I saw that. I’m like, wanna cosplay it? Dion Dancing comp the Ayo. Speaker Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Jill That was, yeah, it was a fun outfit. Dion Don’t. Don’t do the dance, though. Do the the original dance like. I mean, that just felt like it was trying to replicate the dance that we saw in the first one. Which was weird. Umm yeah? Jill That’s the thing they’re like. How do? We do. Do all of the things from the first one that everybody loves but like, do it again and have them love it again. Speaker Yeah. Jill And there was like another I’ll, I’ll say I won’t spoil it for anyone, but it was another musical moment where I was kind of like, ah, OK, it was funny. Speaker 7 Oh. Jill The first time around, but now. I I don’t think I can be in this moment. Seriously. Quinny Yeah. Yeah, I when when we come to talking about this, the spoilery stuff or whatever. Yeah, I’ve got real issues with that like. Dion There was some. There was, yeah, there was some genuine like, I mean this is. The thing like I. I think as a whole I didn’t. Really enjoy the film. But. Speaker Dion There were bits in it that I was when I was going through it was like I had a fun time. Like I felt like it was a good fun time and I was going with no, this is moving really. This is moving pretty quickly. It’s it’s complicating itself, but then it’s kind of untangling those complications. I got lots of shades of like 80s movies that I didn’t think I’d get. Like I got a lot of Superman 3, like a lot of Ghostbusters. Quinny It was a massive Superman three, yeah. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also the Superman 5 nuclear man. I got that too. So was that four. Sorry. Apologies. Sorry. Quinny Yeah, there is number. 5. Dion No, no, that’s no, that was I was thinking about Highlander 5. But yes, Superman stuff and and some Ghostbusters, some other stuff that was thrown in there. I was kind of like. Jill Bit of Metropolis imagery as well. Quinny Sure. Very much so. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. A couple of twists, which I was like, oh, that was quite a. That was a good twist. Or that was interesting. And then a lot of the other stuff I was like, that’s just this is. Fine, but not great. And yeah, by the end of it, I’m like, I don’t need a myth organ or a mafia. Quinny Like I I would be happy to go back and and you know, re explore the Megan math Regan thing like. But I would want like something that went back to formula. Dion You know. Quinny I want something that is crappy. I want something that is about killer robots that. Dion Yeah. Jill Yeah. I mean, did Halloween or Friday the 13th, like, ever screw the pooch on the second film? Quinny You don’t trust. Speaker 8 Like. Quinny Probably. Jill Oh, OK. Well, how do you have like such? Dion Yeah. Jill A long series in a in a horror franchise still be scary every movie, but like you. Quinny Know this and this is where this one fell down for me. Is that like it forgot that it was? Speaker 7 Hmm. Quinny Horror movie. Yeah, like it totally, totally lost its its teeth. You know, there, there were a couple of. Heads spun around and stuff like that, but. Jill Yeah, there was like some gore, but like, that was about it. None of it was like terrifying. Speaker But. Quinny And there was no, no tension, no thriller like that, yeah. Dion Yeah, the the like some of the violence was there and remember it was all committed on the screen. It was mainly committed by the new one. Amelia, which in and sorry acronyms. I’m. Like. Oh, sorry acronyms, not acronyms. Acronyms. People must be sitting down trying to write. How like what name? Is this because of we have to make it into an acronym. I felt that that was a bit of a stretch, but like you know, they had all of those things done by her. But when it came to Megan, you know, nothing very bloody. Dement it happen and then they use a you know, a writing tool to stop her from doing that stuff. And it was so frustrating because that was what you wanted. You wanted this homicidal robot that you don’t trust to do those things which make you not want to trust that you want her to be an unreliable. Narrator. Jill Umm yeah, but I kind of felt by the end I was like, ohh, come on, Megan, you can do it like I was cheering her on. Dion Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Betray them. Betray them. Betray. Yeah. Speaker 8 Yeah. Dion That’s kind of what you’re going for. Speaker Hmm. Jill Yeah, it was way too much a a hero’s arc. Dion And I felt. Like in the. Jill Redemption. Dion In the in the setup too, you’re you’re given to Gemma the character Gemma. You’re given all the tools at the start of the movie to actually go. You’re being. It and you deserve to have something bad happened to you. You deserve to have your trust broken because you’re being sheet and that was just a bit of a let down to not have that kind. Quinny Of thing come through? Yeah. Yeah. Like they were. They were introduced a few new characters. Get rid of them very quickly. In most cases, like you know, and some of the fun, like I I thought Jermaine Clement was having a. Lot of. Fun yes. Dion Ohh he’s he’s he’s sort of cameo character was great. Speaker 8 It is great value. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you ever gonna. If you ever gonna create a tech, bro, you don’t like. Quinny Yeah, done, man. And and I, I felt like. Jill He works. He wearing a prosthetic chest. Quinny 100 yeah. Like I love that because it was just so musky. Like it was screaming the ******* Musk. All the way. Dion Yeah. And look. Quinny I mean, yeah, I would watch Megan versus Chucky, like the new Chucky that is the robot doll version. Dion I haven’t seen you. Quinny Jackie. Ohh that that one. Jill You need. Quinny God. Came out a few years ago now I think I’m not like. And then you’ve got the the mystery or you know, mythology of demons versus technology. Yeah. Dion Oh. I like, I feel like that. That’s something that they like. They went for that in the third film and it was like Megan versus Chucky. I’d be like, OK, fine. I’m. Back in, we’re. Quinny We’re on this, yes. Dion Let’s get back to this. It’s about them compare like competing with each other about how to do the most gruesome murder. I’d be like, great. That’s OK. Back on track, you know, steered in, you steered into the skid, and now you’re right. Everything. Speaker Yep. Quinny Yeah. Because they’ve definitely they’ve they’ve hit this one well and truly sideways, and they’re heading right for the ******* barrier. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like there are moments in it that I laughed and I really enjoyed, like, you know, there’s a a point where Megan takes it over a car and and you know that like. Speaker Yeah. Jill They’re complaining. Quinny Just because I’m a fan of of Knight Rider, I was like no. OK, thank you. But then I thought you may have laid it on a. Little thick there guys. Dion Except for its catch. Jill Yeah, you can’t imagine Kit saying hold. On to your. Vaginas. Yeah, no. Quinny And yeah. Dion And that’s what I’m saying. There’s like, catch phrase. Everyone’s laughing, right. And I’m like. No, everyone went. It’s like they you. It was the first. We all know you don’t have one. And secondly, come on. You know you’re supposed to be a 12 year old girl thing or or are you now a teenager because you’re growing up in the AI space. Speaker 7 Hmm. Dion You know, and it’s like, OK, you’ve got the the metaphors that you’re going for here, you know, the the difference is everyone has to grow and become different. I’m like, yeah, but that doesn’t mean you go from. Homicidal robot too. Maybe I’m the savior. Quinny I mean there, there is some other interesting stuff that I I do want to talk about that is less fun, right? Jill Ohh, like the narrative around technology and intelligence. Quinny Yeah. Yeah. Like the there’s, there’s. Like they’re trying to say something here and that’s the thing that occasionally feels. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Interesting, but also at odds with the kind of film that it is like they’re they’re very definitely making some pretty big swings at, you know, is AI a problem and what is? What are the questions of the the ethics of it and everything. But the thing that got me. Dion Yeah. Quinny And that kind of weirded me. Out a little bit. So the guy Christian is, is an AI ethicist and is somebody who’s trying to get AI shut down, basically. There is. There is a podcast I listen to quite regularly and. The weird thing about is the person. One of the two hosts of this one. It’s OK. It’s from a place called the Center for Humane Technology. And they’ve been doing talks and speeches around the world about the AI dilemma and what it’s actually doing to. What? What it’s heading towards, it’s not good. The lead guy of the podcast is a guy called Tristan and the fact that they kept he’s not Tristan. He’s not Christian, he’s Christian. I was like ohh ****. Are you taking a swipe at Tristan? Jill Tristan is gone. Ohh, do you think it was like actually? Quinny I’m almost 100. Speaker 8 Quinny Percent sure they are, because like. Dion Come on, let’s be honest. They’re taking a swipe at whoever is anywhere near anything. Quinny Yeah. Oh, yeah, like. Dion They’re not. It’s it’s a shotgun effect. It’s they’re they’re not sort of sitting there going. Oh, no, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll use the scalpel on this one. And the scalpel on that one, it’s like. You know like. Who’s talking in this space that we can sort of base a few characters around? Yeah, that’s a. Bit of a thing off we go. Quinny Yeah, I don’t know. But also the fact that like where they kind of placed it at the end of that, the AI ethicists are actually the bad people. You’re like. Speaker Hmm. Dion Don’t worry though, if don’t worry if the big. Jill You they kind of subverted their whole message. Quinny Yeah, yeah, totally sure. What you’re saying here, folks? Dion If the. Don’t worry, don’t worry if the big, beautiful bill passes, then we’ll have 10 years of sorry, 12 years of unregulated AI stuff in America. So why regulate something if you don’t understand it? Speaker 4 Ohh. Dion Yeah. I know, right? Quinny You know, let’s let’s send Miss Reagan to to alligator Auschwitz and she can, like, dance around through the. Dion Screen. That’s how it should be called I think. Sorry. Jill Yeah, they’re calling it our first cleaning. Dion Alligator, Alcatraz. Quinny Yeah, that’s what. Speaker They’re called. Quinny What they’re calling it, I’ve seen the. Dion Yeah, yeah. Quinny Photos that shoots out. Dion Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know what this is, right? Right. Yeah. Quinny Like the literally, I watched a ******* speech from DJ. He talking about? Ohh yeah. We’ll let people out on day release to farms. I’m like that’s slavery. Dion That’s worse. That’s worse, Ryan. OK. Although predicting, thank you for updating me there. Apparently, it has been that that provision was was struck off. So I don’t know, maybe sure. Speaker 7 Hmm. Quinny Sure. Ohh Aski has an idea and I do quite like Meghan goes into Tron. OK. Yep. And and then she can. Jill Yeah. Quinny Fight Jared Leto. Dion Yeah, betrogen. No, but do you know what that? Would do that would be. Because then it would. It would gasify Tron. Be like pink, pink light cycles and things going just just in. Quinny Just the right light up. Dion Yeah, she’s just she’s just throwing producer money at her. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly how much go for it, actually, to be fair. Yeah. Kind of a Yas. Tron would be a fun aside. Quinny Yeah, make it happen to Disney. Jill Gastro. Quinny The queer eye for the Tron. Guy. Dion Yeah, Jared, you’re looking so weird and and orange. It’s the old color. We need pink, pink everywhere. Let’s go. Like you know. Quinny Yeah, I would watch that. Dion Yeah. Yes, there we go. Jill Honey, you’re a winter, not a summer. Quinny And the more I think about the first Megan, the more I go. God, I really enjoyed that film. Yeah. And the more I think God, this film was kind of dopey. Dion Yeah. Also like, I mean, I. You know, talking about the way that they presented this to it’s like the villain of it is like, oh, it’s just this sorry we we created an assassin bot and it’s gone rogue and now it’s trying to do something and it’s kind of a bit like, so what’s it trying to do? Oh, well, we can’t really tell you till later in the film. And then we’ll explain sort of things. That has to do with photocopiers, and that’s a real plot point. Sorry, but you know, you’ve got this. It doesn’t actually make it like it’s not as bad as you. Quinny You know like. Dion There’s no great villain there. There’s like in this. It’s easy, it’s cause like, well, Megan’s the murderbot. So she’s bad. And this one, it’s like, OK, are they really bad? Is anyone really bad? Who’s the actual bad person here? And it’s like, no, no, no. Just give us our hat to hang it on. That’s all we’re after. We need a bad thing. Stop the bad thing. We don’t need the twists and the turns. Speaker Hmm. Quinny Yes. Yeah, and the the familial relationship between Gemma and and Katie like that. I was able to hang my head on that. For a lot more like. That still works, and there are actually a couple of bits in there that I really enjoyed. There was 1 moment that I was like oh ******* hell. Where like they they go into a bunker or something like that. And Katie’s cracked the ***** with Gemma. She ever tries to hold her hand, and then Katie just ******* jujitsu’s the **** out of her. And I was like, oh, oh, nice. Oh, sorry. Aikido. Jill Yeah. Speaker Yeah. Dion Sorry, which we all know is in a real martial art. Quinny Is coming for you right now. Yeah, well. You’ll be here in like 5 to 7. Dion Years. I always say that to the Aikido people. Like what are you going to do? Wait to redirect my energy? Just trying to start a fight. It’s all right. Quinny It’s never gonna work with my Peter. Dion No, exactly. Speaker Just. Quinny I’m gonna slap your hands. Dion Wait. Sorry. Quinny Anyway, yeah, like there there are. There are moments in there. There are relationships in there that work, but I feel like. Jill Yeah, I think there is definitely a better film that could have been made instead of pandering to the audience. I think wanted this movie, yeah. Quinny Yeah, I did see an interview briefly with the producer of it who is. So the other thing we haven’t actually mentioned the film. Has tanked really badly. Jill Oh. Quinny Yeah, like it has not done anything like the numbers they expected. And the producer was saying, yeah, we we probably followed the wrong directions and we have made wrong choices. And yeah, I’ve had a bad weekend. Jill Ohh. Quinny Which I I feel bad for them because. It must be really hard when you’ve had a massive success. To go. OK. What are the things that worked? Jill Here’s what I’ll give you for free, I bet you. All the money in the world, it was a team of white, straight CIS men that decided to write this film. They were like. Oh, OK. Well, if the gays and the girls love this, then let’s just do more of that and they’ll have absolutely like, no. Perspective around what actually made it good in the first place. Quinny Yeah, there is. So one of the writers of Aquila Cooper who wrote malignant. But yeah, you have a couple of writers, Gerard Johnson and James Wan. Jill James 1 you. Should have ******* known better bro like. Quinny He really ******* should have. Jill Yeah, cause yeah, he was on the first one as well and like that movie was such a sigh. But this one was just like. Dion It feels I know so like it does feel like they as you said it might not. Jill Away shante. Speaker 8 Sashay away. Dion They might have fed too much, you know, RuPaul’s Drag Race into the idea. Shut out engine. Jill Yeah, 100%. Quinny Algorithm. Dion Yeah. And I do feel like you’ve got, it’s like a lot more complicated like in the first one, it’s pretty, it’s a pretty simplistic plot, you know? Yeah, it’s not too. It’s not too hard. This one feels like it’s like, oh, we’re going to get way more complicated. It’s bigger. It’s everything we’re going to treat this as a whole thing. You know, she’s now a, you know, internationally recognized. But on these things. You know, the whole thing wasn’t just swept under the rug. It like, you know, the first movie, the the stuff became an international in like, news story and all that kind of. Thing and I’m like, yeah. But no, sometimes it’s better to just be a bit smaller and a bit tighter like. I mean, it could have just been a whole thing of Megan trying to get her body back after being existing. In all these things, and they did have a few notes about that in this film, but I it jumped the shark for me when it went to like, how does Megan Switch herself around in between things? And I was like, wow, this makes. Absolutely no sense. Jill Yeah, they could have saved the military grade. Megan’s. For the third movie. Dion Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Jill Just build to it. Don’t do it. Don’t go. Dion Yeah, yeah, I know. But I mean, you know, like when at what point are we getting to the underground? Club of Megan’s. Jill Yeah. Speaker Never. Jill Yeah, full read. Never go full R word. Quinny Yeah, no. True, no. Dion Fight Club never go full Fight Club. Quinny And this film didn’t. Yet. No. Yeah. OK. Should we rate it? I do. There are a couple of little things I want to talk about in the spoils. Dion Yeah, sure. Runtime question that was in there. Yeah, 100. And 20 minutes it didn’t feel over long. Quinny To me, I don’t know. No, I was watching it and I I I kind of got to the the third act and I was ready for it to be done. Sure, you know. Speaker 7 The world. Quinny Like I I all I wanted a big enough twist in that third act to make it worthwhile, and I didn’t really get it, so I was like. Dion Mean we you know. Speaker Sure. Dion Well, I mean, yeah, alright. Do you have an idea of ratings? Has anyone said in the chat? Check it, check the. Rating in there you. Quinny Yeah. If you’ve seen, it’s put a number, I will look for the number with the the 100 symbol because it helps me. Dion I’m going. I was lower and then I raised it back up a couple of notches because a couple of the times I went, that’s actually quite generally funny. Speaker To. Work out. Dion And especially 1 gag, which I was like. Ohh no, this is the worst. And then by the end of the gag, I was like it. Got better over time. It aged in the moment. Speaker 7 It. Dion It aged in the moment and I went. That’s actually really ******* funny. Like it was awkward and awful and cringe for like 3 minutes and then by. Speaker Yes. Speaker 4 I was like, I’m never doing it again. Dion The end of it I was like ohh this. Speaker 7 Is all they all they just leave. Speaker 8 And I’m like, actually, yeah, they they held it and you had to keep keep. Dion Yeah, don’t you? Don’t you dare go to the ******* chorus. Jill. So. So yeah, mine was lower and now it’s come back up to 60. 5:00 that’s fine. Speaker Yeah. Quinny OK, down as in as a 65, OK. Jill Oh wow. I gave. Megan won 90 last time. I really ******* loved it. Dion Wow. Yes, yeah. Quinny Yeah. Jill I still enjoyed this. Movie. I’m not gonna be ashamed about enjoying the movie like, especially because it it pandered to my tastes. The only thing that disappointed me was that there was not one horror element left in it, and that was the whole point of it being so great the. Quinny Don’t don’t be. Dion No. Speaker 4 Yeah. Jill This time. So I mean, I still I. Still loved it. The characters are great. Megan is fantastic, the jokes were dumb. I I lived. Maybe a 75? OK, this time, yeah. If they had had, like, if it was still a true horror film, it would. Probably be another. 90 again but. Speaker Yes. Quinny Yeah, I’m. I’m. I’m probably gonna. Yeah. Split. No, actually, no. I’m going to close the deal on this one. Like. Yeah, I I. It’s so frustrating watching something where you can see the elements of something really fun and then go. Why did. Where, where, where. Did that go like? Where’s the tension? Where’s the the scares? Where’s the anything that feels slightly? Horrific or, you know, any of that and also, you know, as you said, you know, including shin hottie in there basically means that like if she’s meant to be the scary thing. Then use her as the the scary thing. But she’s not scary. Jill No, she’s just sexy and I’m like, can she stalk me? Quinny So sexy. Dion Yeah, yeah. Quinny I would, yes are you? Are you? Dion A guard. Quinny I’ll I’ll get. I’ll get chest and and Abby implants too, so. So yeah, I’m. I’m down with dark and I’m about. I’m a 65 as well. I it’s OK, but it’s not a patch on the 1st. 1. And there are a couple of points where I was like, I don’t even remember where Megan got damaged, but then she shows up with the horror of, you know, melted face and stuff. And I was like. Doesn’t feel earned. Doesn’t feel like you know. We. God. Yeah, it’s just, it’s just missing stuff. Jill I don’t know. Yeah, they tried to turn. Everything into a gag. Quinny They really did. They really, really did. OK, right. We have a a clippity Doo dah or something like. Dion We’ve got an extra long clip that I’m going to play the entire thing of, and this is after Miss Reagan has been upgraded. So now she knows Kung Fu. Speaker Speaker 1 Just wanted to say great job on those actuators. Speaker You’re welcome. Speaker 1 Hey, so remember the time I strangled you and said the lab on fire? I just wanted to clarify that my programming only allowed me to count principles related to my primary user. As a result, I was unable to see you and Tess as being consequential. But I want you to know that won’t happen again. I want you to know. I see you. Dion Is she or? Is she not going to be murder? But again find out more when you go and see Miss Reagan. I’m putting this whole thing up. There we go. Perfect. Covering anyone thing. Yeah. Jill All right, we’re all dying to ******* talk about it. Quinny What the **** was up with the singing? The musical number that you’re just. Speaker 8 Like. Jill Yeah, yeah, we got a an amazing rendition of titanium in the first film. Quinny Hmm. Jill Yeah. And this time around we got a bit. Of Kate Bush. Dion Redeemed. Quinny I didn’t recognize and I. Was just like, what are we? Singing here. Dion But I mean like that, that was a joke that I saw like that came up and that’s the one where I’m like, yeah, this is not great. This is just awful. What are they trying to do here? And then they really like, it’s it. I think that’s like a metaphysical like, you know, they’ve they’ve got the meta of this, it’s gone through and they know the inside the actual scene. They’re like this is. ******* terrible. Speaker Yeah. Yeah, what? Speaker 4 Are you doing? Yeah. Quinny Yeah, yeah. And we’re we’re gonna keep it going to make it uncomfortable. And now it’s funny. Uncomfortable. Yeah. Dion Yeah, yeah. Speaker 7 And. Dion Yeah, look. Jill Come on. The whole cinema laughed when that. Dion Oh yeah, for that one, I was just thinking, man, photocopiers. Why the **** a photocopier is the worst thing? OK, that felt like a gag out of someone who’s like, oh, we saw office space, and we hate printers and stuff, right? So what if we made the actual villain of this entire thing a photocopier? That’s basically been kept at a gulag and is now the worst thing in the plan. Jill Ohh. Yeah, that was strange. Quinny Strange. Yeah. I mean, though technically not even a photocopier, it was just rob. It was rob from Nintendo. Jill Is that true that if you isolate like an AI from anything, it just grows smarter? Like to me that sounds like the complete and. To the system. Speaker What would actually happen? Quinny It was such periodic concept. That you know. Ohh it’s been left alone. So it’s just gotten more and more dangerous. I’m like, no, it would just be running exactly the same process as over and over and over. Jill Also, why is it? Why is it connected to any kind of power? Dion Yeah. Just turn it. Quinny On using it forward. And and that was the moment the Superman 3 moment where, like, they finally connect to the the black box or whatever the **** it was called. Motherboard. I don’t know. Yeah, the motherboard. And I was like, ohh cool. We gotta get a like. I was really hoping for a weird Superman 3 ******* like. Dion Yeah. Quinny Electrical **** coming out and overtaking people and like, you know, go full body horror, go a little bit of ******* Cronenberg, you know, really delve deep into the the the almost like. It’s the kind of **** if you’ve set up this horrific AI that has just been stewing in its own evil for 40 years. Then make that some cosmic horror ****. Don’t just make it shin hottie with glowing eyes. I was like, come on, **** sake. Yeah, disappointing. Got very, very angry at that bit. Jill Yeah, it was. Speaker Strange. And it was, yeah. Dion You know, it’s sad that like they made like some of the returning the returning supporting. Cast was also great. Yeah, like their interactions were still good and they were the voice of reason, which is all the audience going. What the **** are you doing? Why you’re even interacting with this thing that tried to kill everyone. UM. And then they try like they do that where, like putting it into that weird robo body, the little kind of one that was, that was actually a cute and fun way of doing that. And then that thing did nothing. And they immediately skipped past that. They moved all the jokes or anything you could have done with it, you know. Speaker Ohh yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Dion Fun you could have had tough. Yeah. If you have had it. Like in that way. Quinny I thought that was going to be half the film. Dion For half the film, sure. Quinny Again that, yeah. Jill Yeah, then earn upgrade. Quinny Yeah. Yeah. And there was, there was a moment of something that they used that I was like, actually that’s kind of creepy and cool. There was a moment where they’ve been working on a, like, a exosuit that that, you know, helps people move and. And you know, that’s what they’re trying to move people around. And at one point that becomes animated by itself by, you know, something inside it. And I was like, that would have been *******. Speaker 1 Yippee. Quinny You know, in a dark house, this thing that’s coming towards you that moves in completely in human ways. Jill If 2/3 of the movie was Megan jumping around things trying to get a new body, and then you pay it off in the third act, you give her a body and she defeats the bad guy that would have. Dion Yeah. Quinny **** yeah. Jill Worked. So much better than giving her a body at the end of the first act. Quinny Yeah, like she she goes through, like, cute little body. Then she goes her own half rebuilt. Jill Or if she started out in the weird like exoskeleton thing and then it’s like, Oh my God, it’s Megan. And she’s, like, trying to kill. Quinny And then. Jill People and. ****. Yeah, and. Quinny Yeah. Jill Then give her the harmless one. There’s no arm. Quinny And. Dion Yeah, I’m trying to remember. Quinny So much of that would be much more entertaining. Speaker A bit. Dion The film upgrade, but I was thinking more of like, do you remember the film, the horror film hardware from the 80s? Speaker Hmm. Dion You know which was about a, you know, a robot that slowly rebuilds itself out of. Junk. All right. Jill Ohh ******* poltergeist like. Speaker Yeah. Jill You. Dion Know yeah that like. Jill Possessing inanimate objects. Quinny Yeah, like they, they, they, they’ve forgotten the face of their fathers. They have forgotten where they came from. And you know, that’s what. Jill The horror films that paved the way? Yeah. Dion I mean, they feel like they. Had when they were doing the ideation for and they’re writing all the scenes and they’re thinking about the action pieces that they can have with it. It’s like, great, you’ve got enough content. There. For about what 5 movies? If you, but if you just took each one of those and gone hey. Yeah, exoskeleton version, then you know weird cutesy robot version then like oh body rebuilt version. It’s like great. That’s actually separate. Jill Yeah, exactly. Dion With cool, creepy things you could do along the way to to to make all that and include that kind of crazy sense of humour. And, you know, sassy attitude. Jill Yeah, what if they stumbled upon, you know, Megan rebuilding herself and she’s like, you know, that half created corpse dragging along the. Dion Yeah, yeah. Speaker 4 Floor. Dion Exactly who wanted to play a tea party with a little girl? That that’s all she is in her brain. And she’s like I’m 43 years old. Jill Kind of. Horror motif. Speaker 7 I’m not a little. Dion Girl anymore. You know, it’s kind of. Like ohh. Jill Yeah, they took the cheap way out. I. Quinny Think. Yeah. And they went for. Yeah, suffication. And they went for superheroes and they went and. Dion I feel like I feel like. They didn’t go for yes vacation. They went for merchandising opportunities. Quinny Yeah, yeah. Dion You. Know. Speaker Yeah. Jill The marketing team wrote the movie. Dion Yeah, I feel like a little like it looked like, you know, Megan had enough versions in the sequel that you’re like, ohh, that’s an action figure line. Quinny Yeah. So we’ve, we’ve, we’ve got sci-fi Robo doll. Megan, we’ve got, like, original Megan Reed rebuilt. We’ve got. Dion Assassin Amelia, Cyber Amelia, you know. Quinny Yeah. Yeah, motherboard God. Amelia. Amelia. Dion Or, you know, low jacking the brain implant. Megan, which is actually. Quinny Hmm yeah. Once again and there was an idea when Megan Labor, I love it, but. Jill That’s the one in the. Squirrel outfit, where she’s flying into the Silicon Valley. Quinny See and that was the whole number where I went. What the **** did we just become? Like, you know, Tom Cruise. At what point in time did Megan have to become Tom? Dion Yeah, exactly. Jill She’s a robot. She doesn’t show up on anything. Why is she flying in stealth mission? Speaker 8 Like. Quinny It was dumb. It was just. It’s too dumb. Was Benoit Blunt dumb? Ohhh yeah. But yeah, like on a on a very surface level. Yeah. OK, that’s fun. Yeah, great. But it’s not because it’s dumb and it doesn’t add up to anything. And there are so many better ideas out there. Why aren’t they hiring us? Dion I don’t know. Corny start pitching them and then. Quinny I guess the well used to be. Have somebody who’s very good at pitching on our team, so maybe we. Dion Should, couldn’t you start writing it? Then you hand that writing over to Jill, Jill, Yasir, fly. The **** out of. Jill It. Yeah, it’s not within an inch. Dion I’ll I’ll add. Jill Of its life. Dion Yeah. And then she’ll give it to me and I’ll Add all the things that the executives want to cut out so that they feel like they’ve done something. And then we should be able to get it through, no worries. And then Peter, Peter will take all those ideas, screw them up, throw them away and make something worthy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quinny Sweet, so. Actual thing that it’s doing. Dion That has nothing to do with killer robots and more stuff to do with. I don’t know crocodiles. Yeah. And like, sure environment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Worthwhile. Projects. Quinny Dion Well, you know, look, hey, that’s. All I’ve got to say about methadone. Quinny So I’m I’m very excited cause what are we doing next week? Folks. Dion Next week, you mean for the show or next week for the screening next next Wednesday special time again next Wednesday or we are going back to Dinotopia. That’s right. They made a movie about the Dinotopia books which are quite excellent. So all of those things here now is it seventh film in the franchise of Jurassic something. Speaker Yes. Mm-hmm. Quinny All I need to know, yes, this is the I I haven’t seen it yet because I came down sick and couldn’t go to the screening. Dion Don’t worry, we went for. You. Quinny Thank you. Thank you very much. Are they doing Dino riders yet? *************. Dion No. Quinny Like I don’t understand why this is so hard. Jill There’s some Dinos right in the. Dion Yeah. Quinny Actually, so uncomfortable with that. Dion I mean, there was also a lot of. Jill And yeah, Karina’s just said Jonathan Bailey’s ****** little glasses pressed to her. Even those ****** little glasses could not save this film. Speaker 7 Although also next Wednesday, Jill hold hold off for for that one. Yeah. Yeah. Next week. Quinny Oh, oh, cards on the table early. Jill Everyone knows my love for wanton dinosaur destruction. Dion Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s. Speaker Yep. Quinny I’m and I’m wanton dinosaur. Jill Destruction. Yeah, I I, yeah. Still want it. Dion Sure. I mean, we’ll do all that and more next Wednesday, but because we’re not, we’re doing it Wednesday because on Tuesday, what are we? Speaker 4 We’re gonna watch. Yes. Dion Which is save us. Save us James Gunn, save. Quinny Very excited about that. Speaker Us. Quinny Just looking forward to Nathan Fillion’s Bowl cut more than. Dion Who knows? Who knows what that’s gonna be? Quinny Anything. Speaker 4 Going to. Is he? Jill Playing guy Gardner. Quinny 100%. How have you missed this job? Jill I keep saying I got it in the trailer, but I didn’t realize. It was nice. Quinny And when you look at it, you like, oh, that’s actually pretty. Much perfect for Guy Gardner. Dion Yeah. Yeah. And as long as he’s a complete ****. Quinny Yep, yeah. Have you seen the videos where he’s using his ring constructs as just big middle fingers? Dion Gotta be he just has to be. I’m like no. Jill Ohh God, I’m going to like this movie, aren’t. Quinny I I’m looking forward to it, if nothing else, just because there’s a whole bunch of ******* crypto. Dion We’ll see. And then at the end. Quinny And. Dion Of. The month? Yeah. At the end of the month. Don’t forget we’re doing the movie. That’s out today on Netflix, which is the old guard too. Quinny Good God, yes. Dion Yeah. There you go. You got your homework. Got your stuff there. Hey, just before we all end up, I just want to get a quick, quick litmus test. How are we all feeling about the running man trailer? Quinny Yep, Yep. Plenty of stuff out there. Dion Oh. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Jill. Jill I’ve been doing work at work, which sucks so. Dion Did. Speaker Well. Speaker 7 More full you work. Quinny Are you at home, which sucks too? Dion Yeah, you should just have a window open on your computer that can hide quickly when someone walks past you with trailers running constantly. Speaker Do. Hmm. Jill How can I hear them? Dion One earpod like thing that’s. Speaker 4 In there. Ohh Glenn Powell. Quinny Yes. Dion Did you watch the 80s? One Schwarzenegger running man. Speaker 4 Maybe. Dion He’s a convict. He’s being chased down by Dynamo. And change does or and. Quinny You. You. Yeah. I was gonna say. Dion Like a bunch of 80s wrestlers are the villains in it who are like who have been Yasir fried and have come out and try to hunt down on Schwarzenegger. Quinny Exactly. It’s. Dion You’ll you’ll love it. Quinny It’s very 80s WWF like animal and hawk, ******* the The Undertaker and all that kind of stuff. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quinny But the idea being that, yeah, this guy has signed up or has been essentially press ganged into participating in this televised Death Race. Yeah, where? Yeah. American Gladiators chase you all over the place and try. And kill you for real, yeah. Dion Yeah, yeah, yeah. And instead of just knock you out, they actually literally cut you and have the chainsaw. Quinny And it’s all televised. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s. Yeah. It’s based on Richard Backman book, Our Last Stephen King. Yep. And the original always had a bit of a kind of a darker, more kind of like, social commentary thing of like. Jill My cup of tea. Speaker Hmm. Quinny Could you imagine where our world gotten so bad that people take? Dion We’ll do this. Quinny A gig. You know where they just possibly get hunted down. But if they survive, they get all the money in the. Speaker Yeah. Quinny World or whatever. And that was before reality TV became the yeah. Yes, exactly. Like I love that Stephen King was like, oh, this is just reality TV before. OK. Jill Dion Funnily enough, one of the one. Of the things I actually read the. Quinny You you have. Dion I watched the movie and I read the book and the book has a. Much different ending. Which is way, way ******* darker. Yeah, but now Edgar Wright is remaking the running man, and it’s Glenn Powell. And Glen Powell has been kind of again, press gangle set up to be in this game, and the game is the same sort of thing. But in this world. Of the current state, which is constant surveillance, people around you all the time, everyone has phones and everyone is playing like they’ve got some hunters that are trying to kill you. But if you feed the information of the location to the whereabouts of this person to a hunter, you can win money too. Jill Ohh. Dion So everyone’s on the hunt for you and you just have to survive 36 hours. That’s it. Quinny The the unfortunate thing is now looking at the State of America and like, yeah, you know, ice and stuff. I’m like, oh, ****, this is it’s kind of a little. Bit. ******* close, yeah. Dion Yep, I feel like it’s it’s we’re we’re six months away from this actually being a new thing. Quinny Mm-hmm. I’m just, yeah, worried that people are gonna go. Let’s do that. Let’s. Do that as as an actor. We’ll see. Dion But not here. We haven’t got there that just. Quinny No. Yet no, no, we’re we’re, we’re. Dion We’re doing OK. Hey, at the moment, look in in in NSW, the rain has stopped. It’s the the the cyclone bomb hasn’t been too bad and the sun’s out. So everything’s great. Peachy keen. Quinny Yeah. Yeah, we’re doing alright. You guys doing OK seeing you for. Dion Happy days. Speaker Yeah, we’re doing that. Quinny Dion A while I don’t know. You’ve been where? D&D’s. Quinny Ohh yeah, actually I do want to give a little bit of a shout out to the the wonderful critters of Australia so. Dion Like echidnas and. Quinny Yep, drop beers. Tie pens. Dion Koalas. Kangaroos. Quinny Yeah, but yeah, no. Like, I went down to Melbourne last week, which is why I couldn’t do the show to go to. Dion And probably where you got. Quinny Yes, it’s possibility because that’s where I got the ropes. Speaker Sorry to know. Dion Anyone else who went to Melbourne to Rod Laver Arena last week? It’s Quinny Quinn gave. You COVID? Yep, all 11,000. Quinny Of you. I’m sorry. Sorry. Yeah, but yeah, it was. It was lovely. And, you know another 5 hour show of D&D, which was very entertaining. And Tom Cardy was very, very good. He did both shows very, very entertaining. Held his own against, you know, people who have been doing this for 10 years. And yeah, there’s nothing quite like seeing 11,000 ******* Dean Dean, nerds singing along to a, you know, a song and shining all their lights. It was it was like going to a massive music concert. But you watch them do maths on stage. Like at one point I’m pretty sure somebody was like adding up this goals and was like. 11,000 people watching me do maths. This is like every nightmare. I’ve ever had. Dion That’s good. Quinny Yeah. And we saw Tari, who was in the chat before. But I don’t think he’s there anymore. Yeah, and. Dion Ohh. Quinny You got a pretty unitary. Pretty kangaroo in Sydney, Tara and Melbourne caught up with some friends, had a lovely time. Generally it was ******* delightful and I have been paying for it ever since it’s been so. Speaker No. Dion Excellent. Quinny I’ve been watching a lot of TV. I watched weird TV show called Scavengers Reign and everybody should check it out. Actually, no, I’m I’m not going to say that. It is the weirdest ******* animated series I’ve ever watched and. It’s. I I have a thing called trypophobia. Where you know, seeing holes and uneven patterns and stuff like that creeps me the **** out. This show is just all that. It’s just Cronenberg body horror, ******* weird, alien mushroom, creepy. Oddness. But it’s really quite cool. Like very slow burn. Very weird. Have you ever seen the art of Mobius, the French designer? Jill Right. Dion Yes, I know of moob the moob. Quinny Yeah, it’s. It’s like a lot of that anyway. No, I didn’t go to the Lego Star Wars exhibition. I’m sorry. Dion How dare you? You’re not one of us anymore, Connie. I’m looking forward to going seeing some soccer soon. Oh. Jill Yes, we yes off to see Wrexham. I have, yes. Quinny Ohh Yep. Have you watched the last of the episodes? Of this season. Dion I have not. Yeah, I have not. Yeah. And Jill, you going to get your wrestle on soon? Jill Try again, yes. I am. I got *******. Speaker 4 Tickets to ******* WWE. Jill In October, I’m going to smack down. I’m going to crown jewel. I’m going to roar. **** yeah. Dion Nice. Quinny That’s so cool. Where’s that on here in Sydney? Jill Or no? Is it the RC in Perth? Speaker 7 Oh. Quinny They often go to Perth. I don’t know why. Jill Because they have a three-year contract with WA government. Quinny Ohh, I always wondered why like because that’s a long ******* way to go. Speaker Yeah. Dion Yes, but also the WA government has money and also all of the FIFO workers over there probably really do like the. Speaker 7 Wrestling that’s be honest. Quinny Yeah, yeah. True. Dion That’s that thing. Quinny We’re well and truly down for. Dion That’s creating a stereotype and I’m like, I don’t care to that. Quinny That. Jill Very, very excited, though it was a little bit of a Taylor Swift moment trying to get the tickets. Ohh, we got them. We got the. Quinny There. Dion Got the tickets. Quinny Well done. Dion Yeah, and that’s just trying think what else is coming out this week? Ohh, naked gun at the end of the month and Fantastic Four. So. Quinny Yeah, and and our, our, we are definitely keen to try and sort out Fantastic Four but yeah, we’ll we’ll see what happens like. Dion Yeah, we’ll see what happens. Who knows, there’s currently. There’s currently rumours that Pedro Pascal might even be here for the premier, which is making everyone panic. That who? Yeah, like I don’t. Jill Get the *******. Quinny So so if if he’s here for the premiere, we probably won’t be going to the screening. Dion No, we won’t be able to get within 400 kilometres of the screening cause of. Gaming. Quinny Yeah, ohh all of them are. Coming for it. Yeah, I. Mean we’re definitely not going to Australia. Dion No. Yeah. Maybe we will. Who? Who? Who knows? Like, you know, they’re just gonna do their thing. Quinny Put the request in but you know. Dion Yeah. Who? Who knows? Quinny Pretty Kangas you said. Yeah, strange new worlds coming back at the end of the week. End of the month. Jill Ohh no I have to resub to. Paramount back. Quinny Yeah. Dion Y
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Murderbot This weeks comfort watch sci-fi sit-com; Murderbot follows a self-hacking security android (a "SecUnit") named Murderbot who has gained free will but prefers to keep it secret while watching media. The series, based on the boooks "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells explores Murderbot's reluctant journey as it navigates dangerous situations and forms unexpected bonds while trying to maintain its desire for solitude and media consumption. The whole team is in for this one, Dion, Jill, Quinny and Peta, and in our own way we are all Murderbots... on the right day. Synopsis A media-obsessed private security cyborg, calling itself Murderbot, must hide its newly acquired autonomy, while completing dangerous assignments and being simultaneously drawn to humans and appalled at their weakness. https://youtu.be/c77wD9M7fjs A huge thank you to all the Sec-units and Sex-units who listen to each episode of the show while they should be doing other things... But also thank you, to those of you real humans who join in on the live-chat during the Twitch stream this week, and every week!) If you haven't done so before join us next week for our live show! Special love and thanks goes to those who have financially bolstered this podcast via dropping some their robo-bucks into our Ko-Fi cup and now also by subscribing on Twitch! Your generosity is always appreciated! if you do know any peaceful spacefaring collectivists willing to drop some cash in... let us know! If you feel so inclined give us a sub! The more subs we get the more emotes, you get! Every bit of your support helps us to keep the show on the air! Don't fret if you can't be there for the recording though as you can catch them on Youtube usually later that very night. Make sure to subscribe so you don't miss them! https://youtu.be/vEioDeOiqEs?si=tcXY8aNmAv5hWiyN WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too! We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript Trailer: I am a security unit or SEC unit. I was built to protect and obey. Humans and humans are idiots. But now that I've hacked my programming, I can do whatever I want as long as they don't find out. Speaker 1 Well. Speaker Now let's talk security. We need you to select the SEC unit to take on the mission this. Is the newest model available? There's the one behind it. That's a refurbished. Speaker 3 Model. Ohh. Look at that piece. Of crap. Oh, wait, that's me. Speaker Which one is the? Speaker 4 Least expensive that one, but you get what you. Pay for. Speaker 3 True. Speaker Wouldn't be so creepy, but didn't stand so still. Can you hear? Us Ant. Speaker 3 I could. I just didn't care. I was watching the entertainment channels on the company's satellites. I had watched 7532 hours of content shows like the rise and fall of Sanctuary Moon. Sleep with that. Stars captain. Ohh, what now? Speaker Sorry. Speaker 3 Run. Stay calm. It'll be OK. Speaker I didn't know that the. Face. Yeah, it's kind. Of a sweet face. Speaker 3 Stop staring at. Speaker Me. I wasn't. Stop staring at me. With you. Speaker 4 I have been noticing some anomalies with the secunia T and when I plugged into its system the unit was already rogue. Speaker 3 Ohh. Speaker 4 Itself murder. White House proverb. It's a killing machine. Speaker Murder bomb. You stop calling murder bots terrifying. Speaker 4 I mean, that's what it calls itself. So I am just being respectful. Speaker Do you think we can trust it?
Donald Trump har ikke engang sat sig ind i Det Hvide Hus før han (igen) annoncerer, at han vil overtage Grønland. Denne gang med tilføjelsen, at han ikke vil afvise at bruge militær magt. Med krigen i Ukraine og Trump som præsident er der en ny verdensorden, som får Europa til at rykke sammen og de europæiske ledere lærer hiannden at kende på en helt ny måde. Fx ved Mette Frederiksen nu, at italienske Meloni synes, at Bo er en flot mand. Ohh la la, siger Meloni, da hun ser Mette Frederiksens mand. Udsendelsen er optaget på Folkemødet 2025.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Daredevil, Yellowjackets and Andor S2 It's TV time again folks! We're back after our break, checking out Yellowjackets, Daredevil: Born Again, and the first look at Andor Season 2. Will Disney's refreshed take on Daredevil unleash our worst angels. Are the ladies in Yellowjackets still probably mostly mentally unwell? Or are the actual demons in the woods? Join in with the team as we sit our butts on the couch and enjoy the best the Boob Tube has to offer. The show this week is starring series regulars Dion, and Jill, with special guest star who has been in every episode, Quinny. https://youtu.be/tpwEeb2QRlU A huge thank you to all our Yellow Jackets, Red Devils and Rebel Scum who listen to each episode of the show, especially those of you ISB operatives who join in on the live-chat during the Twitch stream this week (and every week!). If you haven't done so before join us next week for our live show 7:30pm Wednesday the 30th of April! Special love and thanks goes to those who have financially bolstered this podcast via dropping some their bootleg hooch into our Ko-Fi cup and now also by subscribing on Twitch! Your generosity is always appreciated! If you feel so inclined drop us a sub! The more subs we get the more emotes, you get! Every bit of your support helps us to keep the show on the air! Don't fret if you can't be there for the recording though as you can catch them on Youtube usually later that very night. Make sure to subscribe so you don't miss them! https://youtu.be/x8FUUxj6yOA?si=e3lPJfiLpnOi9dRf https://youtu.be/_5yR6UZjkyY?si=lFQ9q297YmU1cM3F https://youtu.be/duN-KQgOjYs?si=66cdhfzqfKQENsfg WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too! We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript It's upon a time. A bunch of teenage girls got stranded in the wilderness. And he hunted their friends. They sit on their flesh. And then went completely nuts. Speaker How? People are willing to do some mixed up stuff just to see. Speaker 1 The other day. Speaker 2 I think Natalie knows what each. Speaker 3 Spot is does she deserve to people like? Speaker 2 Do you believe? Speaker Her. Speaker 1 Instead of doing what was right for us, she did what she wanted to do. So tonight we'll give the wilderness what it wants. Speaker I'm worried about. What we're gonna have to tell people if we get back. This place will follow us for the rest of our lives. Jill Someone wants us. Speaker 2 Dad, don't think for a second. I won't get to the bottom of this. Speaker 5 Are you hiding something? Speaker 2 Think about how screwed up we would be if we have survived a plane crash only to end up eating each other. Speaker 1 Oh, I do. Speaker 5 The only people that know about this are either us or dead. Speaker 1 The only way to truly be safe? Speaker 6 Is to be the only one left. Speaker This is not healthy. You really are insane. Secrets. Will be spelled Yellow Jackets, new season streaming February. Dion That's why. Yeah. That's OK, miss. It was like, oh, you're quiet. It's like, you know what? We're quiet because we had not. Crack the whip and I had forgotten I was all getting there tonight. Yes, we're doing the TV roundup, which is great. The second part, Part 2 of the TV round up. Quinny Oh. Hang on with with the the TV TV roundup, Yes. Isn't that when you meant? To do the. Dion Thing. Ohh yeah you there we go. Quinny Specifically, set it up for that. Dion Or maybe that's? The beat E. Yeah, look, OK.
Ohh, and we're back for another week of talking shit and talk balls,,, rugby balls that is. This week, we cover all the Super Stuff but also cast a judgmental eye over the stuff coming down from the north.Grab a beer and enjoy!
Spotify has kicked a few episodes off the feed - I'm putting them back in. This is one of them...Ohh man...how fortunate are we to live in the same world as today's guest, Erik Lomen. First of all, I only got to meet Erik because of serendipitous timing, bad weather in Cheyenne, WY, a not-to-be-missed Boston Celtics game, my propensity to arrive early for meals, my preference for eating at the bar, and a chance encounter with Erik's delightful and interesting mom, Marcy. Based solely on her hardly disinterested say-so, I drove to Gardiner Maine to spend the day with one of our new favorite people. Erik is the host of "The Myco Wizards Podcast", and founder and brainchild behind the wildly innovative Maine Cap 'N Stem - a supplier of spore-ready substrate for cultivators of mushrooms from Lion's Mane to Penis Envy. This is NOT a stoner, freaky mushroom weirdo episode...well, it is, but it's also much more. Erik is a deeply thoughtful, battle-tested polymath with a heart of red oak; perfect for taking mycelium to all its favorite places. Tune in for a particularly interesting ride. Share and Enjoy!LinksMaine Cap N' StemMyco Wizards Instagram - MycoWizardsShrooms of Doom InstagramMaine Cap N Stem InstagramDog Chapel in Vermont
Formed in 1981 and hailing from Downey, California (the birthplace of the mighty Hetfield), thrash masters DARK ANGEL unleashed a darker, faster, more aggressive sounding brand of thrash, with a sound initially reminiscent of the death metal aesthetic present in Slayer's early work and later evolving into a more progressive, technical thrash sound resembling the latter part of Death's catalog. Prepare to learn more about “the outer balloon knot” (‘the yurt' as it ‘twere)” and remember that when it comes to old school thrash, those guys “got a LOT to say” and a very short time in which to say it. Enjoy a spirited debate regarding cover songs relative to the originals that was 100% “from the heart”, learn more about the benefits of “The Express Package”, and don't forget to “microwave your melons” after you JOIN US as we learn more about the technical thrash genius of “The L.A. Caffeine Machine”, DARK ANGEL. 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Lily's VBAC birth story episode is finally here!!! You know and love her just like we do. She not only manages the social media content here at The VBAC Link but also spends so much time connecting with you personally. She has the biggest heart for VBAC and champions all types of empowered birth.Lily walks us through her experiences with ectopic pregnancy, loss, her traumatic Cesarean, and how she persisted through a 66-hour long labor without an epidural to achieve her hospital water birth VBAC.If you followed her pregnancy journey, you saw that Lily was incredibly proactive during her pregnancy. She built the strongest team of birth and body workers. She was specific in her desires, yet remained open-minded. This served her so well in labor and made all the difference during her birth!Needed WebsiteHow to VBAC: The Ultimate Prep Course for ParentsFull Transcript under Episode Details Meagan: Hello, everybody. You guys, today is a very exciting day. We have recently had two of our VBAC Link team members have their babies. Paige was one with the first Maternal Assisted Cesarean in Korea, and today is the second with Lily. Oh my gosh. If you guys have been on our social media, you have seen our cute Lily. She is just so amazing. She's so fun. She's in the DMs on Instagram literally every day chatting with you. I just absolutely adore her. She's so incredible. Lily is a born and raised Colorado-- I don't even know how to actually say this. Lily is a born and raised Coloradoan.I think that is how you say it.She's from Colorado, living in northern Colorado with her husband, son, and daughter. She is a kinesiologist who works in community health and a dual-certified fitness instructor passionate about movement and wellness. After an unexpected Cesarean two and a half years ago, Lily found The VBAC Link and began planning her VBAC and is excited to share her story today. I cannot wait for you to hear it. This was actually the first time that I got to hear it in its entirety. It's just amazing, and I'm excited for you to hear it. Like I mentioned, Lily is also our social media assistant at The VBAC Link and is truly honored to empower and hold space for all the Women of Strength in our community. You guys, she is absolutely amazing. We love her so, so, so, so much. We do have a review that we're going to share, and then we are going to turn the time over to our sweet Lily to share her stories. This review is by Savannah, and it says, "Started listening to The VBAC Link Podcast around 16 weeks pregnant and continued throughout my pregnancy. It was so good and encouraging for me as a mama who was preparing for a VBAC. It helped me gain confidence, and helped me know what to look for and watch out for in my providers. Hearing other stories was so encouraging and helped me gain so much knowledge. I had my hospital VBAC unmedicated with an 8-pound, 15-ounce baby and I know the knowledge I gained from this podcast played a huge role in being able to advocate for myself and get a better birth outcome." Congratulations, Savannah. We're going to talk a little bit about this today as well with Lily on the podcast how sometimes the thought of going to the hospital is scary because of stories you've heard or things you've heard. But VBAC can happen in the hospital, and it can be beautiful, and it is beautiful. I think it always dials back to me to finding the best provider for you, finding the best location that feels right for you, building your team, and doing what is best for you in the end. So I really am so excited one minute after the intro to turn the time over to Lily. Okay, Ms. Lily, I really am so excited because I was even texting you the day you were in labor. I don't really know all the details, but I've seen your incredible pictures. Oh my goodness, your pictures are so incredible, and I've heard a little bit from you so I really can't wait. So let's talk. Let's talk about these births.Lily: Okay. Yeah. So every Cesarean story is what starts us off, so I will go with that. But I'm going to try to be fast because I feel like my birth was really long. I have a lot more to say about my VBAC, but I always try to really honor our story in that before we had our beautiful, amazing rainbow baby boy, we also experienced a miscarriage and an ectopic pregnancy prior to having our son. I lost my right fallopian tube. I always like to be the encourager that you can get pregnant naturally with one fallopian tube. It turns out fallopian tubes are not fixed body parts, so when we got pregnant with our son, I ovulated from the side I didn't have a fallopian tube on, and my other tube was able to come over and grab the egg and sense the ovulation which feels so miraculous.Meagan: So incredible, so incredible. I love that message that you're dropping for our community because I think if someone was in that situation as you know, it could feel very defeating and uncertain.Lily: Yeah, it feels really scary. I remember thinking, "I'm at less than 50% fertility if I've lost one tube," but that's not true. Statistically, it's really pretty equal to people with both fallopian tubes, which is kind of neat.Meagan: Yeah.Lily: After that, I started acupuncture. My sweet friend, Montana, we had been friends for years and she's always been like, "You should come see me." She specializes in women's health and fertility and loss and all the things. I started acupuncture then, and I say that now cause it has continued. I always say I'll never not be a patient of hers ever again because she's the best. I started to do that, and then we got pregnant. we found out we were pregnant on the last day of week of prayer at our church, which was really incredible and just felt like such a tangible miracle. We chose to go with a birth center for our care. We did that because I had a lot of hospital trauma. I just didn't think that a hospital was a safe place for me to have my baby. I'm a big believer that we should birth wherever feels the safest. We went for birth center care and had a great experience at our birth center.We loved our midwives and were really excited for birth. I think I hear so many times as women tell their VBAC stories that often we feel underprepared going into our first birth, and it leads to a cascade. I think I was the birthiest nerd of all. I felt like I was really prepared going into birth. I was excited for it. I had a lot of birth education. I had been a birth podcast listener forever and ever. I just felt really empowered in birth and all the things I was doing, chiropractic care and acupuncture and all the stuff. We did get to 41 weeks, and at my 41-week appointment, my midwives gave me a 3-page-long induction protocol because in our state, we have to transfer at 42 weeks. So it was their, "This is the last-ditch effort when you are 41--", and I can't remember how many days, "we want you to do this big thing." It was a daily schedule. "You're going to wake up and you're going to go for a drive on a bumpy road, and you're going to eat this, and you're going to do this." It was really overwhelming. Meagan: Yeah.Lily: Well, the night before we were supposed to do that protocol, the doula who was on-call at the center was texting me and was like, "Hey, how are you feeling?" I was like, "I don't know. I feel really nervous to do this big long thing." She suggested that I journal out all of my fears about birth and see if that did anything. I journaled all my fears, and I burned it in our kitchen sink. As I walked up the stairs, I had my first contraction. I'm also a huge believer that our emotions play such a huge role in our labors. So I was really stoked that my labor started and all the things. That's the same doula that we had for our next birth too, which is really cool. So yeah, I labored all of that night. It was Friday that I went into labor, that evening. Saturday, I labored. My midwives came and checked in eventually. My doula did come over, did some stuff with me, hung out and helped me labor, did some homeopathy, some emotional release work, and all the good stuff. But my labor was really, really long.So by Sunday, my midwives were like, "Hey, you are super exhausted. We want you to take a Benadryl and try to take a nap." I am a girly who does not take a lot of medicine. So this Benadryl knocked me on my booty. I had six really awful contractions trying to take a nap. After I got back up from the nap, I got back on the toilet which is where I was loving to labor. I stood up because I was like, "Okay, I think maybe things are starting. I'm finally getting a pattern. Maybe I can finally go to the birth center." I stood up, and I checked the pad I was wearing. There was a copious amount of meconium. Not water, but meconium which is scary, you know? I knew right then that I was going to have to transferred. It was thick. It was poop.Meagan: Yeah, yeah.Lily: There was no water stained. It was just meconium. And so I called my midwife, and in her sweet midwife voice, I said, "Do I have to transfer?" And she goes, "It's definitely a conversation we have to have." I was like, "Okay. So, yes." She explained that because of the way the meconium came out, she now thought my son was breech because his butt was right up against my cervix, and it just came right out. Soo she came over. Actually, she wasn't even on call. She happened to live in our neighborhood. She came over and checked me and all the things, and she's like, "Yep, this feels really different than a few hours ago. He's definitely breech. We do have to transfer." And so as we're transferring, in my mind, I know that we're probably going to have a Cesarean. My midwives were really great in that they called ahead and they were like, "Hey, we called ahead. No one's willing to do a vaginal breech delivery, or at least they're not trained in it." But my midwives were also really encouraging that, "If this is something you want to do, you have a right to deny a surgery. You have that right. We will be here in support of that." They don't have hospital privileges. They were out-of-hospital midwives, so they had to transfer me. They could go with me and essentially be that emotional support, but we were still kind of in COVID times, so I had to also choose who I wanted to be in there with me. It was 2022. I just felt so defeated. I was so mad that I wasn't going to get the birth that I wanted. I started screaming through contractions. I can confirm that does make it worse. I was just pissed. And so I opted for a Cesarean. It was really tough. I remember as we were leaving my house, asking my midwives, "I can have a VBAC at the birth center, right? Like, you can do VBACs?" They were like, "Yep, but let's get this baby out first." So I transferred. I had my Cesarean. I think it went as smoothly as it could go. I remember there was this a sweet tech who-- I was just in a lot of pain, and she gave me the biggest hug as they put my spinal in and was stroking my back saying, "This is the last one. This is the last one. You can do this." And it was like, "Okay." There was some tenderness there. But post that was a lot of grief, and I think we've all experienced that and a lot of hard. I never saw the surgeon who did my surgery ever again. None of my follow-ups were with her. It was just some random OB. I was so thankful that I had been at the birth center because I got all of their postpartum care, so I had a couple of home visits and a lot of really tender care from my midwives, which was exactly what I needed. And then I found The VBAC Link. I remember finding it on a walk because I had listened to birth podcasts for years, like I said, and suddenly it was grievous to listen to this thing that I loved hurt my feelings to listen to. It was like, "Oh gosh, I don't want to listen to the first-time mom who had an amazing waterbirth, and it was pain-free." It just was grief. Meagan: Right.Lily: So when I found The VBAC Link, I was like, "This is exactly what I needed. This is stories of women that give me hope and not just that trigger jealousy," which I think is a very real and valid emotion.Meagan: Very, very real. Very real and valid.Lily: It's okay to feel that way, but I remember going for all of my postpartum walks and listening to The VBAC Link and crying through every episode and all of the things. And then, just in that postpartum time, I got back into fitness. I have a background in kinesiology and teach a lot of fitness classes. So I got back to the community and finding that, and then I also got to work here which is so fun a year ago in November which is so cool. I think it's really a cute thing that my year anniversary was in November, and that's when I had her, so how cool that I spent a year empowering other women and also getting to plan my own which was really fun. So if you've ever DM'd us on Instagram, you're probably talking to me.Meagan: Yep, yep. She's in there every day a lot of the day because we get a lot of messages. We really do.Lily: And we want to answer all of them. I want you to feel seen and known and all the things. So if you're getting an answer, you're not getting a robot.Meagan: Yeah, you're absolutely not.Lily: You're getting me or Meagan or Olga or Ashley. You're getting one of us which is really neat.Meagan: Yep. Yeah.Lily: Okay. So then we got pregnant again, eventually. So we had planned to start trying when our son was two. We got pregnant a couple months before his second birthday. And again, it was such a redemptive moment of going from having a really hard trying to conceive to me, a girly with one fallopian tube getting pregnant on accident. Are you kidding me? It's crazy. But it was so great. It was really scary at first. We did have some early pregnancy bleeding. We thought we were having another miscarriage. And at the same time, my dad had his appendix rupture, so he was in the hospital septic while I'm early pregnant bleeding. It was just a hellstorm at first and felt really scary. But I knew that I was going for my VBAC, and that was really grounding. I won't share a ton of this journey. My midwife, Paige, and I were on the podcast earlier in 2024, so if you want to listen to that podcast about finding care, but I'll just quickly cover essentially the birth center that I was supposed to be at that I always dreamed would be my redemptive birth again was the same midwives. Oh, Matilda is grabbing my ears.Meagan: Also, the episode is 342 if you want to go back and listen.Lily: Yes. For midwife stuff.Meagan: Yes.Lily: So essentially, my midwives were amazing and I love them, but the birth center just wasn't in our financial capability. They don't take insurance. This time around, it was just not something that we were able to do. I started my care at the birth center and was really grateful to be there because they really knew my story, so they held me through the worry about miscarriage. And then we ended up having to navigate transferring care, so I interviewed another birth center that was in-network with our insurance that was about an hour away. I interviewed my midwife, Paige, and her practice partner, Jess. I told my husband when we went in to interview them, I was so terrified to like these hospital midwives and that I would have a hospital birth. And I did. I fell in love with them. I think that's so important. One thing I get really frustrated with, I think, especially in the more crunchy birth community is that we are often told that hospital birth can't be beautiful and that you can't have a physiological birth in a hospital.Meagan: Yep.Lily: I'm here to tell you that that's wrong. We have to stop telling women that the place that they feel safest is less than in any way. If a hospital is where you end up, then that is incredible and amazing and that's where you should birth if that's what feels right for you and your baby.Meagan: Yeah. It's the same thing with like epidural versus non-epidural. It doesn't matter. You're not any less powerful or strong or amazing if you birth without an epidural versus an epidural or out of the hospital versus the hospital or a planned Cesarean versus not going for a VBAC or if it goes to a Cesarean.We have to start having more love for one another in our community. Even though it might be something really great for one person, and they believe that, and that's okay that they believe that, that doesn't mean it's right for that next person.Meagan: Totally, totally.Lily: Yeah. So we navigated what hospital care was going to look like. At the time, our hospital was under construction, so they were "letting"-- I put that in quotes-- letting you labor in the tub, but you couldn't deliver in the tub at the time. The tubs were home birth tubs that they were blowing up in the rooms and all these things. But by the end of my pregnancy, the low-intervention rooms were open, and they were supporting waterbirths which I think is so neat to see from a hospital. So yeah, we were really excited. This time, I did more acupuncture. I continued to see my amazing acupuncturist. She's amazing. Montana Glenn if you ever need her in northern Colorado. I did switch chiropractors. Last time, I went to just the chiropractor that I'd always gone to. She wasn't Webster-certified. This time, I did go see a Webster-certified chiropractor. Laura is amazing. That really changed a lot of my pelvic pain and things like that.I was way more active in this pregnancy. With my son, I was working at a Barre studio, and the fitness studio closed about halfway through my pregnancy. I kind of just petered off the train of staying active. But with my daughter, we were able to, I say we because she was there. I worked out until the day before I was in labor. I teach spin, strength, and yoga. It's a combo. It's called Spenga. I was there all the time. I did stop on the spin bike at 34 weeks pregnant because I learned that that's not great for baby positioning, and it can shorten some of those ligaments. I stopped doing the spin bike at that point to be really cautious of position. Speaking of that, I had a standard kind of pregnancy. I would talk with my midwife forever and ever. I came in with questions about my birth probably on day one. She was like, "Girl, you're 16 weeks pregnant. Chill, no." But I had questions, and I would come in every time. I did feel like a first-time mom in that sense because the last time, I had a lot of expectations of I knew what the birth center was going to look like, and I had no idea what a hospital labor was going to look like. How many nurses are going to be in my room? Who's going to be up in my space? What does this look like? How do I do intermittent monitoring and all the things? Paige was great about, my midwife, saying, "Hey, this is what the hospital protocol is. Hospital protocol is not a law. You get to do what you want to do, and we support you in that." She was awesome. At 32 weeks, though, Matilda was breech which was really scary as a mama who had a surprise breech baby. I did all the things. If you want to know all of those things, we have an Instagram Live that is saved on our page of literally the kibosh of things that I did for flipping her. We did flip her. I also saw a bodyworker in town and a doula who's amazing. Her name is Heather Stanley, and she's the breech lady here in northern Colorado. I did some bodywork and stuff with her and worked through emotional stuff and birth stuff. It was, I think, really what I needed. Heather said that in our session, and I kind of rolled my eyes. She's like, "I think sometimes babies go breech because we've got some stuff to process." And I think that I did. I thought I processed. I went to therapy after my Cesarean. I did all the things, but I still had some stuff. I think she was teaching me, like, "Hey, let's work through this now."Meagan: Yeah, I mean, I had the same thing with Webster. He kept flipping breech. I had never had a breech baby before, but I was like, "If I have to have a C-section because you're breech, I've done all the things." I was really frustrated. We'd get him to flip, and then he'd go back. My midwife was like, "We need to stop." And I believe that it was the same thing. I needed to work through some things. He needed to be in those positions during that time for whatever reason. We had to gain more trust in our bodies and our abilities and processing. Right?Lily: Yeah, totally. So yeah, so then she flipped, and it was great. And then I just felt so seen by Paige in all of it, because she knew like, "Hey, when you get to the hospital, we'll check with an ultrasound and double-check that she's still head down because I know that's anxiety-inducing for you." I just felt so empowered with all of our decision-making. It felt like a big partnership. One thing that I struggled with with my son was I was at home laboring for 44 hours. I never got to go to the birth center. What I loved is this time, it was my call when I got to go to the hospital. It was my decision, all of it. Paige was so great about saying, "Hey, this is your labor, and we're here to make this happen." I just think she's such a unique human. I don't think care always looks like this in a hospital for sure, but it can. What if we advocated for what we deserve, you know?Meagan: Just talking to her, I love her. I love her so much, and I one day hope to meet her in person.Lily: She's the greatest human being. I tell her all the time, I'm like, "You're changing the world, and so many women need you." Actually, their practice was at one point so full of VBAC patients that they've had to unfortunately turn a couple of people away because their practice is getting full which is really amazing, though.Meagan: Yeah.Lily: And we need that.Meagan: It's a good thing. Yeah.Lily: Yeah. So super cool. All right, I think we've got labor coming. Here we go. I never felt pressure of when am I going to go into labor or any of that. Paige was super great about, like, "Hey, if you're dilated before labor, that's great. If not, whatever. Most people dilate while they're in labor," and it was just super helpful. I knew that there was no worry about when I would go into labor. There was no worry about just any of that stuff. So it was really nice to just be at peace. That's one of the reasons that I actually loved having a hospital provider because I had a lot of anxiety about transferring from a birth center again. Actually, as I tell my story, I think I would have been a transfer again. I remember them saying that in my initial consult appointment. Jess, who practices with Paige, said, "You know, what's beautiful about hospital care is that we can induce you if you need to be induced, and we have the hospital privileges, and you can have the interventions if you need them." And I did. Spoiler alert, and it was great. I got to 40 and 1. I started contractions around 11:00 PM on Tuesday night. I was already felt like it was such a blessing because I finally had contractions that were normal. I didn't have contractions like that with my son. They started out fast and furious and they were seven minutes apart or less my whole 44 hours. With this, I felt the wave of a contraction for the first time. And I remember texting my doula like, "This is already so redemptive just that I can like breathe through a contraction. This is nuts. This is so cool." There were a couple that I had to get on all fours in my bed and sway back and forth and eventually, my husband like leaned over and he was like, "You need to go to sleep. What are you doing?" I was like, "I'm having contractions." And he's like, "Oh." So it was fun. I texted my doula and just said, "Hey, I think I'm in labor," which was weird for me to say. And again, what's so great is Jessie, my doula, had been with us in our first birth and she's also a VBAC mom. It was just like God had His hands on exactly what we needed and the people that we needed even from our first birth to carry into our second. So on Wednesday, Jesse also lives in our neighborhood now, so that's fun. She came over, and we went for a walk. We did some homeopathy, and she gave me a great foot massage, and then she said, "Okay, hey. Let's try to pick things up a little bit. I want you to take a nap with your knees open." She's like, "We don't have a peanut ball," so I grabbed the triangle pillow from my kid's nugget couch. It works really well by the way. I napped with that between my legs and was able to get things to pick up a little bit. My contractions did get pretty intense, but they were still spread out. She went home for a little bit, and then I took a nap and labored. I went downstairs. We live multi-generationally, so my parents live in our basement in a basement apartment. My niece also lives with us. They have custody of her. My parents have a way cooler shower than I do because they got to customize their basement. I went down and took a shower in their shower which has three shower heads and all the stuff. I was like, "This is like a being at a birth center." So I hung out in their shower. I took a two-hour shower. My mom's like, "Our water bill is going to be insane."Meagan: How did you have hot water long enough?Lily: We have that-- I don't know what it's called.Meagan: Reverse osmosis thing?Lily: I don't know.Meagan: I don't even know. That's not the water heater. Lily: I don't know what we have. I don't know what it's called. Anyway, we did have hot water. Meagan: That's amazing, though. Lily: I was just in there chilling and music on and lights off. When I could get into the mental space of labor, my contractions would come way closer together, and things would intensify. But if I did the advice of living life, it was like they just stayed really far apart. So I was like, "I know that some of this is prodromal labor a little bit because I'm not getting into consistency unless I'm forcing myself to be there."So amongst all of this, my husband is not feeling well. I'm looking at him like, "You seem sick." My husband never gets sick. And he's like, "I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine." And I was like, "No, I think that you should go get tested for something." Something in my gut was like, "You need to go in." So he went and got swabbed for the flu and all the things, and he had strep. And so I was like, "See? Good thing that we got you tested." So he started antibiotics right away. And then that night, my sweet doula came and spent the night because Jared was just not up for being a labor support and yay for having a doula because I needed someone to be there physically with me, and I needed that support, but he couldn't be there in that moment.Meagan: Wow, what an incredible doula. I love hearing that. Yeah.Lily: So she came and spent the night, and we did some like side-lying releases, which from my first labor, I knew I was going to hate it. It's just the position that, to me, is just the absolute worst when I'm in labor. It's awful. My doula was like, "Hey, so we should do some of that." And I was like, "No, we're not. I don't want to." She was like, "I think we should then."So we did some of that, and then eventually, she drifted off to sleep. My contractions again, were still staying spread out. They would get close together and then they'd fizzle. But they were intense, and that's what's hard is you think prodromal labor, and at least in my brain, it's like, "Oh, contractions are mild and really far apart," but that's just not how they were for me. They were really intense. Meagan: They can be. Eventually, I went upstairs and took a bath because I was like, "Okay, I'm just going to force them to shut down then." I need some rest. So I went and took a bath upstairs, and got them to slow down enough that I could sleep for the rest of the night.Meagan: Good.Lily: That was Wednesday, and like I said, my labor was long. On Thursday, we woke up. My doula was here with me. We made breakfast, and she forced me to eat protein. Yay, doulas. I had already a scheduled appointment that day for my 41-week or whatever it was. 40 weeks, I guess. We went into the clinic and my contractions were, I mean, maybe 30 minutes apart at this point. I remember we drove all the way. My clinic is 20 minutes for my house. We drove all the way there, and I didn't have a contraction in the car. I was like, "Okay." So we went. I was 4 centimeters dilated and 90% effaced. I did ask for the membrane sweep, but I asked for the cervical check. Not one time ever did I get a check that was like, "Hey, we should check you now." It was like, "Hey, I want to be checked now."Meagan: Yeah.Lily: It was so empowering. So 4 centimeters. She was like, "You know what? You're doing it. Yes, prodromal labor, sure, but also, your body's making progress. You're doing something."Meagan: But also not prodromal. It was a prodromal pattern and acting that way, but progressing. So, it was on the cusp.Lily: Yeah. It was weird but encouraging to hear that, okay. I've done a day and a half work. Yeah. But at this point, I'm like, ticking in my brain, like, "Okay, how long has this been?" Because my first labor was 44 hours, and I was 10 centimeters when we transferred to the hospital. I had told myself my whole pregnancy, "I can do anything as long as it's less than 44 hours." It was not. It was not. Spoiler alert. So we went home, and then my sweet chiropractor actually lives in our neighborhood. I texted her and was like, "Hey, I don't know if this is a positional thing. She feels really low and engaged, but can you come adjust me?" So she came and brought her table to my house and adjusted me. She did this thing called adductor stripping.Meagan: Oh.Lily: And so I had done an actual membrane sweep with my midwife, and then my chiropractor took her knuckles and went on my inner thighs and pushed all down. It hurt so bad.Meagan: I'm doing it to myself barely, and I'm like, oh.Lily: It was awful. But she was like, "This is the big hip-opener thing." So we did that. She even taught my doula how to do it. I looked at my doula and I said, "You're not doing that to me. So glad you learned you can do it to another client, not me." My doula went home again. I got back in the shower and was moving around. And at 4:00, I decided like, "Okay, I'm exhausted. I am ready for a change." I am the type of person who likes to go somewhere and do something. It's part of why I didn't ever feel like a home birth was the right option for me because I know that I get stuck in a space. I like the idea of going somewhere to have my baby. It felt like a good change. So I was ready, but I wasn't having contractions that were there. And I was like, "I also don't want to go to the hospital and be stuck there for a million years." So I decided to go upstairs and put myself into labor. I'm like, "Okay, I'm doing this." I turned off all the lights, and started to labor, and my mom came up and gave me a back massage. It was also cool to see her shift because in my first labor, she was super anxious. And then in this labor, she was really trusting of my process and was more just like, "Hey, what do you need?" So she gave me a really big back massage, and I listened to music, and I finally got my contractions to six minutes apart. I texted my midwife and I said, "If these stay this way for an hour, I want to come because I am exhausted. I'm ready for a change. I need this." And she's like, "Great, awesome. Let me know. Keep me posted." So I did have some bloody show, and I thought maybe my water broke. It had been an hour, and I was like, "Hey, we're going." My mom had just made dinner, so I'm scarfing meatloaf on my way out the door. Great last meal.Meagan: I love it.Lily: And then we head to the hospital. I got to the hospital, and I was 4.5, maybe a 5. So again, earlier that day, I had been a 4. So I had made a little bit of progress, but not a ton. But Paige was great. She's like, "Great, you're here." What I love about their practice is their direct admittance, so you don't have to go through triage and have some sort of evaluation to decide if you're supposed to be there or not. She was the one who made that call, and we made it in partnership with each other. I was like, "I feel like I need to be here." She's like, "Great, you're here."Meagan: Yeah.Lily: And so I chose no IV and to do intermittent monitoring which will come up in my story in a little bit, but that's kind of where I was. We started to fill up the tub, and I was laboring in the tub, and then I started to get nauseous and throwing up and all the things. In my head, I'm like, "I'm in transition. This is very transitiony." I'm watching as the baby nurse comes into my room and starts to set up the bassinet. I'm starting in my head to tell myself, "I'm so close. I'm in transition. This is happening." And as I talked to my doula afterward, she was like, "Yeah, we all thought you were in transition, too, dude. You were in it." I started to get frustrated and say, "I want to push." Not that I felt pushy, but I was just like, "I want, again, a change. I want to have a baby." And so I asked for another check, and I was 6.5 centimeters. I cursed so much, and I was like, "I just want to have my effing baby." I screamed that so loud. My poor, sweet doula and midwife. They dealt with my sass, and it's like my body knew, "Okay, we're defeated now." Everything shut down. My contractions spread apart to 20 minutes apart again. They had been 5 minutes. My mental space was not ready, and my body was like, "Okay, we're going to rest." Meagan: Yeah. Lily: And so I get out of the tub and dry off, and we decide that I'll do a little bit of pumping. My midwife put some clary sage all over my belly, and she does try. I asked to rupture my membranes because we thought maybe they had not ruptured when I thought they did. She was like, "They're definitely intact." She goes, "Nice protein intake girly because these are hard, and I can't rupture them." She's like, "You have a really strong bag of water." And I said, "Thanks, Needed, for all of the amazing collagen that I took."Meagan: I was going to say, collagen protein right there.Lily: I'm terrible at protein intake, so really the collagen from Needed was one of the strongest ways I got protein in during my pregnancy. So pat on my back for my protein intake and things to need.Meagan: Very, very good job. Very impressive. Well, because really, a strong bag of water, it is hard to get that protein and that good calcium in. It really is. To the point where she can't even break it, that's pretty cool. Pretty cool. Good job. Lily: Yeah. So then at this point, it's later in the evening, like 9:00 or 10:00. And so I started to just be exhausted. I started falling asleep between contractions. My doula is like, "We're going to wind down. Let's turn the music just to instrumental. I'm going to go take a nap." Our birth photographer is napping on the floor. Paige goes and takes a nap, and they tell my husband to curl up next to me.That was such a sweet moment of disc connection that I needed of, "This is my person and we're here. We're doing this together." We snuggled up on the bed and got through contractions together all night long. I did at one point ask to try the nitrous oxide because, in my head, that was the only pain relief that I could think of that was available to me in this low intervention room because the way that the hospital works is if you're not going to have a waterbirth, if you decide to get an epidural, they will transfer you out of this room because there are two of them, and at that point, you can't use the tub. So I was like, "Okay, I think nitrous might be my only option." So I tried that. It sucked.Meagan: You didn't like it.Lily: She was like, "You know, it's really not helpful for people that are coping with contractions well." And she said the same thing when I started asking about an epidural later on. She was like, "You're coping well, and you're relaxing." These types of things can be really helpful for people that are in the fetal position in between their contractions, but you're not, so it's probably not actually going to help because you're already relaxed. All it did was make me feel a little dizzy, and then I was like, "Well, this is silly." I got in the shower again there. It was not as good as my parents' shower, so I did get right out of the shower. It was very cold. And so the next morning, now it's Friday. So reminder, labor started on Tuesday. Meagan: Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Now we're here. Lily: Thursday morning. And so Paige comes in, and we had a really long talk about options. At this point, I am mad, and I'm just feeling like I can't do it. I keep having contractions and saying, "I can't do this anymore. I can't do this anymore. I can't do this anymore." In my head, I'm like, "Well, at least I'm going to get a VBAC. Hopefully, I can get an epidural," and then rest and those stories. I'm trying to be really open-handed because I think that's what you have to be in birth is really surrender to the process. Paige comes up with this idea to do some therapeutic rest to which I had never heard of before. I think I was texting you during this and I was like, "What is that?" She's like, "We can give you some morphine. You can either stay here at the hospital or you can go home, and hopefully, you'll nap for 4 or 5 hours. Typically, people wake up in active labor." I was like, "Sweet, sounds awesome. Give me that nap." My doula was like, "Why don't we go for a walk, first? Let's remind ourselves that it's daytime. Let's go on a walk. We'll talk about it together, and then we can come up and do our next steps." So we went out for a walk in the parking lot of the hospital. It was cold, and I threw up a couple of times. Yay. I was like, "I think I really need this. I can't continue to do this without any progress." She's like, "Great, I'm excited for you." So we went up, and they put an IV in cause I didn't have an IV. What was great was that the hospital staff was so accommodating. I was really nervous about nurses being like, "Hey, we don't like this," or whatever. Paige was also great about choosing my nurses to be the ones that are going to be more supportive. But they put an IV in. They gave me the morphine, and then they took it out. I didn't just then have an IV.We did that, and then we decided we would break my water and try to get things progressing. She did end up being able to break my water because I could sit still. I was way more relaxed with the morphine. It was supposed to be a 4-hour nap. I woke up 20 minutes later. We had sent my doula off to go run errands thinking that we had hours. I wake up 20 minutes later with really intense contractions that are peeking through the morphine, and they're super close together. I was like, "Well, crap. Let me call my doula back and get her to come back." And so that really picked things up again. It was kind of discouraging because I was expecting to get to rest, and then to have intense contractions again was like, "Oh gosh, okay. Here we go." But we did it. We labored the whole day doing that, but my contractions would never get closer than 5 minutes apart. They would stall out at that space. At 2:30ish, I asked about morphine again because I was like, "Can we do that again? If that was an option, can we try that again?" The nurses were like, "Hey, we actually think maybe you should just do some IV Fentanyl." My older brother is an addict, so I am someone who was super cautious. I had actually said it when I got there that my preference is no opioids. But this felt like, "Okay, maybe it's an option." When Paige came in and we talked a little bit, she was like, "Why don't we do that? And would you be open to doing a low dose of Pitocin?" And I was like, "Absolutely not," because in my brain, Pitocin means epidural. Pitocin is scary and hard. My contractions are already intense. I can't imagine Pitocin. Like, absolutely not. And so Paige said, "Hey, what's cool is you're already in active labor, so Pitocin is not likely going to make your contractions more intense. It will likely bring them closer together.Meagan: It's what you might need.Lily: "You might be able to wait it out, or this might be an option. Let's do the pain medicine so that you feel mentally like you can handle it." I was like, "Okay." So they placed another IV because I didn't have one in, and they gave me Pit. We started at 2 at 3:30, and then we upped it to a 4 at 4:00.Something that I will mention while I have the IV thought in my brain is I had said I was doing intermittent monitoring, and I ended up hating that. I was just irritated by people coming into my space. It felt like it interrupted my labor pattern. They had to reach down into the water if I was in the tub. I was moving, and I felt like I couldn't move or they wouldn't get it. They were just in my space a lot more. So when we started the Pitocin, the hospital policy was continuous monitoring, but they have the wireless monitors that are waterproof. They were like, "Do you feel okay with that?" I said, "Yeah, I think so, actually. I think I'm ready for people to stop touching me," because at one point, I looked at a nurse and I was like, "I understand why this is important and why you're here to check on my baby. Please go away." I hated it, but I also felt like I wanted some sort of monitoring.Meagan: I can see that though.Lily: Yeah, it was just disruptive. It's funny because in my brain, I thought that the continuous monitoring would feel disruptive, but it was great because they just put these two little dots on me. I had a belly band that went over. They were wireless. I could still move all around. It was great. Meagan: That's nice.Lily: Yeah. So at this point, I'm hooked up to Pit on the little IV pole, but I can still go wherever I want. I decided to go labor in the bathroom. This is the part of my labor that gets a little fuzzy. I was really thankful to have had a conversation with my acupuncturist prior to labor because she had a great labor experience, but she was actually a home birth hospital transfer too. She had talked about how I had said, "I don't want to do medication because I want to be really present. There's so much of my son's birth that I don't remember because of the medication." She had told me, "Hey, there is a place sometimes in labor land that your body just naturally goes fuzzy, so don't be taken aback if that's your experience." That was really helpful to know that in this transition time, things feel a little fuzzy, but I'm at peace with that versus my son's birth where it felt invasive to not have those memories.Meagan: Yeah.Lily: So we were laboring in the bathroom, and then I remember at one point yelling for Paige because my doula is in there with me. I was like, "I'm feeling pushy and ring of fiery." She's like, "Okay." We came out of the bathroom. They unhooked me from the Pitocin. They did keep the hep lock in. And again, they were really respectful and asked like, "Hey, since we've already been doing Pit, we've already put two in. Do you mind if we keep the hemlock? And we'll wrap you up. You can do whatever you want." And I was like, "That's fine. It's already there. Let's not bruise up my arm anymore." We came out, and I was laboring on all fours. I had gotten sick of the tub, and I had actually said, "I don't want to be in the tub anymore," at some point during the day, because this thing that was so great, and it is helpful, but every time I get in, I get discouraged because my contractions pick up. But then, it seems like I have to get out. My doula is looking at me, and she's like, "Hey, are you sure you don't want to get in the tub?" This was your goal. This was your goal. Are you sure?" I'm laboring on all fours, and I'm feeling pushy, and she's like, "We can fill up the tub so fast. Do you want us to just fill it up? This was your goal. Are you sure?" I was like, "Okay, yeah. Fill up the tub." The one other thing that I think was funny is that I was wearing a really ugly bra because I had had two black bras that I really wanted to wear, and they had gotten wet over two days of being at the hospital. I looked at her, and I was like, "I'm wearing my ugly bra." She was like, "Change." So my birth photographer ran over and grabbed my black bra that I wanted to have on, and I changed really fast which was really funny, and then hopped in the tub and started to just labor there. My doula and midwife coached me to wait for the fetal ejection reflex. So they were like, "If you can just breathe through these contractions, let's wait and see if your body just starts to push." I was like, "Okay, I guess we'll be here." I was in this really deep, low squat. I have 20 years of dance in my history. I teach Barre. I'm on one tippy toe. Paige told me after, "I have never almost broken a mirror trying to get so low to see what was going on because you were in such a low squat." I did deliver my daughter on my tippy toes. It was like, if I put my heel down, it hurt more. I don't know why, but my tippy toes felt great. Meagan: Interesting. Like pointe in ballet?Lily: Standing on my tippy toes.Meagan: Yeah. Yeah. Oh my goshLily: Yeah. I was in a lunge with one leg up on a tippy toe.Meagan: With bent toes, yep.Lily: I was laboring there, and these contractions felt different, which again, is so cool to have gotten to experience. At this point, Fentanyl wears off after 30 minutes, and so I really feel like it was perfect because I got it for the hard Pitocin part, which actually wasn't bad at all, by the way. It was exactly what Paige said. It just got them closer together. They didn't hurt anymore.Meagan: Increase, yeah.Lily: Yeah, it was awesome. So I highly recommend if you need it at the end to know that it probably won't increase intensity. It just can help. I was fully unmedicated at this point. I would feel the beginning of my contraction. I could breathe through. And then when that fetal ejection reflex hits, man, it is crazy. I had heard someone describe it as the feeling of when you have to throw up and you just can't stop. That is exactly what it feels like. Now I'm pushing.My body just did it by itself, and I didn't have to worry about, "Okay, how do I breathe? How do I do?" There was no counting. I pushed for 52 minutes on my tippy toes. It was so cool. My husband really wanted to catch her, and so he was right there. He'll joke forever that I bruised his hand in labor because I was death-gripping it.I remember feeling the ring of fire and all of the things. And then she just came out and her whole body came out with her head, and it just felt like the biggest relief in the world of, whoo. And then I grabbed her. So Jared's like, "You kind of stole my thunder." I was just so excited, so both of us had our hands on her and got to bring her up to my chest. What we realized is I had a really short chord. The theory is that so much of my labor was probably held back because she didn't have a lot of bungee room to descend. It kind of explained a couple of things. Yeah. She was on my chest in the tub and hanging out. And then we got off and got to the bed, and she was hanging out on my chest. And then as the cord stopped pulsing, she forgot to breathe.Meagan: Oh.Lily: And so they had to cut the cord really quickly, take her off my chest, and take her over to the warmer, and she was fine. They called in the neonatalist and all of the things, and she did eventually just come back to me after I had delivered the placenta, but that was the only scary moment. The theory is that she was still relying on the cord, and then it stopped pulsing, and she was like, "Oh shoot, I need to breathe now. Got it. Okay."Meagan: Yeah.Lily: It was great. I got to see my placenta, and I did have a marginal cord which we knew, which is when your cord is kind of off to the side of your placenta. Again, we knew that my whole pregnancy, and it was never like, "This is going to prevent you from having a VBAC" conversation. But yeah, we got to do the thing and catch a baby, and it was just the coolest thing ever. I can look back and say gosh, yeah. I probably would've been a transfer because of how long my labor was. I'm so thankful that I took the interventions when I needed them and that I had a provider who I trusted was in my corner. Never once did I think, "Oh, she's recommending this so that it goes faster," or "Ohh, she's" bothered or anything. And Paige actually had specialed me in that she wasn't on call that night, but she came in for me which was really special. I don't know. I never expected that I would have a hospital birth. I never expected that I would have Pitocin or pain medication or any of the things and yet feel so at peace with how it played out. It was absolutely beautiful and absolutely physiological in all of the ways that it needed to be.So that was her birth.Oh my goodness. I'm so happy for you. I'm so happy. I can just close my eyes, and I can see your picture. So many feels and such a long journey. Such a long journey for you to keep shifting gears. But going back into your team and all the relationships that you established working up to these days and this moment, you had all of those people come into your labor too, at some point whether it was mentally thinking about something that they had said or they physically came down the street and we're able to serve you and touch you and adjust you and work with you that way. There were so many things along the way that it's like, wow. You should be so proud of yourself for building that team, for getting the education, for having this big different experience, and for trusting your instincts. I do think in the VBAC world, in all birth world, but for the VBAC world, we do sometimes get into this, "Oh, Pitocin can be bad. Epidurals can be bad. Hospitals can be bad. This can be bad," You know, all of these things, and a lot of the times it's based on negative experiences that one has had.Lily: Or stories that you hear.Meagan: Or stories that we hear, yes. Because, I mean, how many stories have we heard about the cascade? Lily: Absolutely.Meagan: We've heard so many. But like you said, these things needed to come into your labor at the points that they did, and they served you well. When you said that you didn't expect to have these experiences, and then find them healing and positive, but I truly believe when we are making the decisions in our birth experience, when we have our birth team that we trust and know are there for us, for us, and in our corner, like Paige is and was, it's very different.Lily: It makes a world of difference.Meagan: It's very different. I mean, I have had clients where I've had providers actually say with their words, "I like to manage my labors. I like to manage my labors." So if we hear that, and then we hear the experience, you guys don't do those things because they led down a negative path. But those are so different, and so we need to remind ourselves as we're listening to stories about Pitocin and epidurals or hospitals, have a soft part in your heart for them because you never know. They may be something that you need or want in your labor. Lily: Totally.Meagan: And if we can have the education about those things and then make the choice that feels right for us in our labor, I mean, here you are saying these things. You're saying these words. "I had these experiences. I experienced Pitocin. I experienced Fentanyl that I didn't know I wanted. I had all these things, and it was great."Lily: It was beautiful. Yeah. And Paige was like, "I've never seen someone dilate to a seven with such an irregular contraction pattern."Meagan: Yes. Yeah.Lily: What I love is that a couple of days before I went into labor, someone had posted this quote. We posted it just recently to our page, but it was from the Matrescense podcast. And it says, "For every birth video that you watch where a woman calmly breathes her baby into the world, make sure you watch one where she begs, pleads for, swears, doubts, and works incredibly hard to meet her baby." I know I cried.Meagan: That just gave me the chills.Lily: "So that if that is your experience, you are not caught off guard by the intensity of birth." I had seen that before I went into labor. Someone posted it in The VBAC Link Community on Facebook. And that is exactly my experience. I screamed and I begged and I roared. Oh my god. There was no quiet breathing during my pushing. My throat was sore the next day so much so that I had them swab me for strep because my husband had strep and I was like, "Did I get strep?" But my throat was just raw from screaming. Not screaming. I would call it roaring because I wasn't high-pitched screaming. It was just the natural, primal thing.Meagan: Guttural roar.Lily: It doesn't make it less than. It was pretty dang cool. So, yeah, so that was all the things. And then in this postpartum experience, it's been so great. Paige is awesome. We've been chatting over the phone, and we had a two-week postpartum visit. I just have the best community. I feel a deep sense of gratitude for the community that I have this time compared to my first and sweet friends who literally right before I came on were like, "Hey, update. How are you? What's going on? How's Tilly? What do you need?" That community has made a huge difference, too. And also, I feel like I could run a marathon because I didn't have a C-section, you know? Holy cow.Meagan: Yeah, your recovery is feeling a lot better. Lily: Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. And I was super active prior to having her, so I think that helps too, you know?Meagan: Yeah.Lily: Just feeling that strength is there and resilient. So, yeah.Meagan: Oh, my gosh. I love you. I'm so happy for you. Seriously, I can't wait to even go back and re-listen to this once it airs. You're just incredible. You're such a ray of sunshine. And truly, it is an honor to have you here on our VBAC Link team and then to be part of this story. You had said before that you haven't really even shared it in this entirety, and so I feel tickled that I get to be one of the first to hear it in its entirety.Lily: Well, thank you, friend. It's an honor to be on the team to get to hold space for everyone else's stories, and I have a squeaky baby, but it is just a joy and a dream to get to be here. So thanks for holding space for all of us who have needed it for years. We love you.Meagan: Oh, I love you back, and thank you.ClosingWould you like to be a guest on the podcast? Tell us about your experience at thevbaclink.com/share. For more information on all things VBAC including online and in-person VBAC classes, The VBAC Link blog, and Meagan's bio, head over to thevbaclink.com. 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