Podcasts about swifties

Violence swept Belfast after a knife attack sparked days of unrest fuelled by right-wing agitators. With reports that many of those involved had travelled to the city from elsewhere, are we seeing the rise of riot tourism? Plus: John Healey resigns in breaking news, a leaked Makerfield poll puts Burnham ahead as the right-wing vote splits, and Swifties wager millions on Taylor's wedding. Jacob Jarvis is joined by Zoë Grünewald to unpack the biggest stories from the past week. www.patreon.com/bunkercast  Written and presented by Jacob Jarvis with Zoë Grünewald.  Producer: James Liddell and Jake Preston. Audio production: Jade Bailey.  Music by Kenny Dickinson. Artwork by James Parrett. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production.  www.podmasters.co.uk   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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As the Swifties know, the one and only Taylor Swift has written a song for the upcoming 5th Toy Story movie but when she appeared at the premiere recently, she was just like the rest of us and brought along a precious item for Tom Hanks to sign! Follow and subscribe for more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week on 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, we're diving into the rollout surrounding I Knew It, I Knew You and all the clues, theories, Easter eggs, and surprises that led up to its release. We're talking mysterious billboards, changes to 1989 TV, the track 5 significance, and all of the clues from the TS collab.Could this release be connected to something even bigger? Why are fans revisiting old theories about Taylor's future projects? And what details have Swifties noticed in the song's imagery, promotion, and timing that have everyone talking?We also discuss Taylor's return to her country roots, the nostalgic feelings sparked by the song, and why some listeners believe this moment could be an important piece of a much larger Taylor Swift puzzle.Plus, we're sharing fan reactions and theories, discussing some detailed headlines that claim to know some very intimate details, and exploring a few theories that may have you reaching for your clown makeup.Join us as we follow the clues, celebrate the new music, and ask the question every Swiftie is wondering: what happens next?This is a paid advertisement from BetterHelp. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at http://BetterHelp.com/TAYLORSWIFTFAN. What did we miss? What else would you like to hear from us? There are lots of ways to reach us, and we love hearing from you! Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan PodcastJoin the conversation in our exclusive Lobster Lounge: station.page/13 Contact the Podcast Voicemail: (689) 214-1313 Email: the13podcast@gmail.com Instagram: @the13podcast TikTok: @the13podcast Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Follow the Hosts Ana – @anaszabo13 Lacey – @laceygee13 Amy – @amysnichols Nick – @heynickadamsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mike's guest today is his chess co-worker Jason Ward.  They talk about chess, being tall men (Jason is 7 foot tall), geek culture, celebrities, and the fact he was (until recently) neighbors with some dude named Travis.  Must listen for the Swifties.

De hints waren al overal en de échte Swifties wisten het eigenlijk ook al wel, maar deze week is dan officieel bekendgemaakt dat Taylor Swift een nummer heeft geschreven voor de nieuwe Pixar-film Toy Story 5. Ralf en Jorn bespreken het hele complot zonder nog maar een noot van het nummer gehoord te hebben. Verder staan we uitgebreid stil bij de aanpassingen van de Carousel of Progress waarbij het bestaan van de attractie ook voor de toekomst gegarandeerd wordt. D-Tales steunen? Wordt Donalteur! https://petjeaf.com/d-tales 03:42 Nieuwe Donalteurs

After weeks of clowning, theories, mysterious countdowns and enough cloud imagery to make us question reality, Taylor Swift finally revealed what was hiding behind the TS billboards popping up across the globe.But is a new Toy Story 5 song really the whole story?In this emergency episode of 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, Ana and Lacey break down every clue from the viral TS billboard campaign, including:• The mysterious cloud countdown that appeared and vanished a month before the announcement• Why the 13 cloud billboards instantly sent Swifties into chaos• The Disney and TS collaboration and what exactly that means• The meaning behind the TS trademark, capitalized letters, and recurring "T" clues• Why 1989 (Taylor's Version) is looking a little different• The hidden significance of Track 5 playlists appearing across streaming platforms• Taylor's newly announced original song, "I Knew It, I Knew You"• Why the song's country roots could be pointing directly toward Debut (Taylor's Version)• The emotional connection between Toy Story, nostalgia, childhood, and Taylor owning her masters• Whether this rollout is secretly setting up something much bigger later this yearWe also discuss Taylor's upcoming Songwriters Hall of Fame induction, the 20th anniversary of Tim McGraw, the return of Jack Antonoff, and why some Swifties are convinced this is only Chapter One of a much larger Taylor Swift era.Were the clouds just clouds?Or was this Taylor's most elaborate Easter egg yet?Grab your friendship bracelets, put on your clown makeup, and join us as we decode every TS billboard, every countdown clue, and every breadcrumb leading toward what might be next.Because if Taylor Swift has taught us anything, it's this: Sometimes you just know.THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY LIQUID I.V.Go to http://www.liquid-iv.com and get 20% off your first purchase with code TAYLORSWIFTFAN at checkout.What did we miss? What else would you like from us? There are lots of ways to reach us! Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan PodcastJoin the conversation in our exclusive Lobster Lounge: station.page/13 Contact the Podcast Voicemail: (689) 214-1313 Email: the13podcast@gmail.com Instagram: @the13podcast TikTok: @the13podcast Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Follow the Hosts Ana – @anaszabo13 Lacey – @laceygee13 Amy – @amysnichols Nick – @heynickadamsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

New month who dis? Happy June! We're kicking off the month with the snack combo dividing the internet — a woman is going viral for mixing M&M's and Skittles at a specific 2-to-1 ratio, and we try it live with our honest reviews. Plus, it's officially confirmed: Taylor Swift is releasing a brand-new song for Toy Story 5 called "I Knew It, I Knew You," and after weeks of cryptic countdowns and cloud-themed Easter eggs, the Swifties were right all along. Caitlyn chimes in with her reaction and some of the easter eggs that led up to this.   Also today: It's National USPS Dog Bite Awareness Month, and with over 5,200 attacks on mail carriers last year, we have to highlight the importance of this issue. We look at how family farmers are making six figures on TikTok and YouTube while earning as little as $5,000 from actual farming. And since it's June 1, we're running down everything happening this month — Pride Month, Father's Day, Juneteenth, the FIFA World Cup, the summer solstice, and so much more.   Watch the stream weekdays 12-3: https://www.youtube.com/@KSLBrightside   Follow KSL Brightside on social media! YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KSLBrightside Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KSLBrightside Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/KSL_Brightside TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ksl.brightside

Send us Fan MailThe fabulous Kristie B. joins me to discuss why Taylor Swift and Matty Healy are NEVER getting back together. Swifties rejoice. Maylor is over!Support the show

Joan Baez suggested pop stars should be more politically active. Swifties went on the attack. Ben and Ione have thoughts — including why picking a fight with someone who marched alongside Martin Luther King might not be your best move.Also this week: Jay-Z showed up at the Roots Picnic and did a 10-minute acapella freestyle attacking Drake, Kanye, Nicki Minaj, and Dame Dash. Ben breaks down why a whole generation just knows Jay-Z as Beyoncé's husband — and why that matters.Ben makes the case that Kylie Minogue's Impossible Princess is her Pinkerton — the misunderstood record that history will eventually get right. Pitchfork agrees. Nick Cave does not, and Ben has some words about that.Plus: The Backrooms movie at the Dendy, Rachel Ward's regenerative farm, Sparks at the Opera House (how gay is a Sparks crowd exactly?), and Ione's weekend at a Chanel-funded literary showcase for diverse female writers.—Weirder Together is hosted by Ione Skye and Ben Lee.New episodes every week. Subscribe so you don't miss one.

Taylor Swift has been dropping Easter eggs so wild they've broken the internet, so we're unpacking every clue pointing to a secret Toy Story 5 song, why the TS billboards with 13 clouds are so hard to ignore, and what an Oscar-hungry Swift would stand to gain from it all.Plus, Olivia Rodrigo is on her press tour and a journalist tried to sneak in a very spicy question about her Taylor Swift feud. She didn't deny it. We're getting into what actually happened behind the scenes with those songwriting credits, and what Olivia's been quietly signalling ever since.And Dua Lipa just had the chicest little London wedding — Schiaparelli suit, wide-brimmed hat, poppies — and it's only the legal one. We're debating the celebrity two-wedding trend as well as that viral Callum Turner "my lips are only for Dua" rumour that caused fans to spiral. Remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media. Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at thespill@mamamia.com.au and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(airdate: 6.1.26) On today's Who Cares News: Hilaria Baldwin is laughing at the fact that her 26-year age gap with Alec Baldwin sounds like the setup for a bad comedy sketch, but says their marriage works because they're complete opposites. Pete Davidson is making headlines for praising ex-girlfriend Kim Kardashian, calling her "superhuman" and a surprisingly talented actress. Plus, Taylor Swift fans are convinced she's somehow involved in Toy Story 5 after mysterious billboards and a cryptic Pixar social media post sent Swifties into full investigation mode. Is Taylor joining Woody and Buzz? The internet certainly thinks so.

Welcome to the age of AI slopaganda, where the synthetic videos are nearly indistinguishable from the real, the real videos are getting more suspect, and everyone is one fake Instagram Reel away from becoming the Facebook boomer they once mocked. Liv examines the newest iterations of AI-generated political propaganda, including Trump posting a fake video of himself throwing Stephen Colbert in a dumpster, “Swifties for Trump,” Mike Collins' AI Jon Ossoff, Spencer Pratt's Batman campaign ads, Iranian Lego anti-Hegseth videos, fake Netanyahu death images, deepfakes targeting women in politics, the Dean Phillips/Biden robocall, Gavin Newsom's JD Vance couch slop, and Cuomo's anti-Mamdani AI ads. We explore how “satire,” misinformation, engagement bait, and campaign strategy are collapsing into one ugly sludge pile. Subscribe for $5 a month to get all the premium episodes: https://www.patreon.com/qaa Check out our new podcast series network Cursed Media! All episodes of Spectral Voyager Season 2 are out now! Binge the entirety of Truly Tradly Deeply by Annie Kelly and Megan Kelly as well as Science in Transition by Liv Agar and Spencer Barrows: https://www.cursedmedia.net Produced by Liv Agar & Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe and Jake Rockatansky. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (instagram.com/theyylivve / sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (pedrocorrea.com) https://www.qaapodcast.com QAA was known as the QAnon Anonymous podcast.

A fun chat with Eloisa James all about her new book The Last Lady B, Taylor Swift, Shakespeare, and her editor's overzealous red pen. Plus- Dave misses out on a grand entrance, Laura endures a hot job site, and Andrew gets a smoker. We also recommend: The Radiant Dark by Alexandra Oliva, Short Cuts by … Continue reading Ep. 329 Swifties and Shakespeare With Eloisa James

Starting off the episode with Trivelle showing some adulation for the progress, the guys get right into revisiting the Drake conversation. As his one album (turned two-album surprise drop) landed him the top 3 spots on the Billboard 200, while a litany of songs populated the Hot 100...and with many arguing he may have officially passed MJ (on paper for sure), the group discusses the love, the hate, the additional artists who received their first charting positions, and their official quick reviews of the first/main album, ICEMAN, including where it sits in Drake's discography. After wrapping that conversation, they discuss the AMA Awards and some of the winners, along with the glaring snub of an artist like Taylor Swift, who had 8 nominations, one of the biggest fanbases in the world with the “Swifties,” and one of the biggest albums of the year. Some people are definitely raising eyebrows. Staying in the Taylor vein, Canadian R&B/pop legend Shawn Desman accuses Taylor and another artist of biting one of the standout records from his career. After giving their opinions and discussing how situations like that should be handled, the guys move into the Kevin Hart apology tour following his roast, where many racial jokes were made at the expense of Black people. They discuss the larger issue surrounding comedy as a protected form of speech and the fallout that came with Kevin addressing it head-on instead of letting the story die down naturally. The story that has the guys lit in the streets is the Summer House reality series, with Trivelle dragging XP (and OShauN to some extent) deeper into the reunion episode surrounding one of the biggest stories in Bravo history involving the real-life relationship dynamics between Amanda Batula and West Wilson behind the cast's back, including Amanda's still-husband (technicality) and the recent fallout between West and Ciara Miller. While they touch on the reunion episode as a whole, the conversation really hinges on the major storyline where all the plot points come together for XP and OShauN, creating what XP calls some of the best TV he's ever seen. After that, XP brings up an interesting relationship experiment that found a connection between long marriages and the extra adjectives husbands use when introducing their wives based on someone watching over 2,000 hours of couples interacting across 6 years. After that surprising fact-finding conundrum, Trivelle finally watches the Michael movie, opening up an entirely new direction for the discussion after revealing his issues with the film (he is a director, by the way). The pod concludes with the crew discussing their dream biopics and the best ones made so far. Welcome to the show.

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This episode broke the internet... and we have EVERY receipt. Taylor Swift's wedding date got LEAKED. Young men are being automatically registered for the draft. D4vd was ARRESTED in connection with an alleged unaliving... and they found 40 TERABYTES of evidence. Ice Spice got into a fight at a McDonald's. Megan Thee Stallion called out Klay Thompson for cheating... and he told the whole internet to "touch grass." Spirit Airlines is permanently GONE after 34 years. And Chris Brown + Usher are about to create a generation of bad decisions this summer. The John Cash Show is a weekly commentary podcast covering current events, celebrity news, and culture — unfiltered, sourced, and straight to the point. JUMP TO YOUR STORY: 00:00 — Cold Open | "This Week Was Ghetto" 00:56 — Intro & Disclaimer  01:35 — Taylor Swift Wedding Date LEAKED 03:44 — Automatic Draft Registration EXPLAINED 07:05 — D4vd ARRESTED | Celeste Rivas Hernandez 09:13 — Bonus Receipt: North West Drops EP at Age 12 11:06 — Ice Spice vs. The McDonald's Customer 14:49 — Chris Brown + Usher Stadium Tour = DANGER 17:21 — Megan Thee Stallion & Klay Thompson BREAKUP 21:25 — Spirit Airlines is GONE Forever 24:47 — Petty Wrap-Up 25:54 — Outro WHAT WE COVERED: TAYLOR SWIFT WEDDING LEAKED Page Six confirmed Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's save-the-dates went out listing July 3rd, 2026 in New York City... and Swifties lost their minds before the ink was dry. AUTOMATIC MILITARY DRAFT REGISTRATION Starting December 18, 2026, all eligible men ages 18–26 will be automatically registered for the Selective Service... no opt-in required. CNN, TIME Magazine, The Hill, and Military Times all confirmed. The fantasy football draft just got real. D4VD ARRESTED — 40 TERABYTES OF EVIDENCE Singer D4vd (David Anthony Burke) was arrested in connection with the alleged unaliving of 14-year-old Celeste Rivas Hernandez. Prosecutors say over 40 terabytes of evidence were recovered. He has pleaded not guilty. All information is alleged. Celeste Rivas Hernandez deserves to be remembered by name. NORTH WEST DROPPED A DEBUT EP AT AGE 12 Billboard, Complex, and Nylon confirmed it: North West dropped N0rth4evr ... a 6-track debut EP she produced herself... on May 1, 2026. She is twelve years old. ICE SPICE FOUGHT A WOMAN AT McDONALD'S TMZ got the surveillance footage. A woman named Vayah approached Ice Spice at a Hollywood McDonald's at 2 AM. Words were exchanged. Slaps happened. Ice Spice jumped booths. And then she posted "this wouldn't happen at Wendy's"... while in L.A. filming a Wendy's commercial. CHRIS BROWN + USHER: THE R&B TOUR Live Nation confirmed 33 North American stadium dates starting June 26, 2026 in Denver. This tour is not just a concert. It is a threat. Hospitals will be full of Tauruses and Geminis next year. MEGAN THEE STALLION & KLAY THOMPSON BREAKUP Megan posted "Cheating" as her first word on Instagram Stories on April 25, 2026. Klay Thompson's response after days of silence? Four words: "Please go touch grass." He went on Instagram Live from the ocean looking completely unbothered. Megan gained 260,000 new followers after a tearful Moulin Rouge performance. WNBA player Lexie Brown is receiving death threats because neither party has cleared her name. SPIRIT AIRLINES IS PERMANENTLY CLOSED As of 3:00 AM ET on May 2, 2026, Spirit Airlines ceased all operations. 17,000 employees. Millions of tickets canceled. The first major U.S. airline shutdown in 25 years. They survived recessions. They survived 9/11. They survived COVID. But they could not survive two bankruptcies, soaring fuel prices, and a failed $500 million federal bailout. Rest in peace, Spirit. You were chaotic. You were cheap. You were ours. DROP YOUR TAKES: → Who fumbled who — Megan or Klay? Be specific. → What's your first excuse if you get drafted? → Worst Spirit Airlines story. Go. → Chris Brown or Usher on the Verzuz stage — your childhood depends on it.

Calling all Swifties who are also Noah Kahan fans, or who are Noah-curious! Today Sara is joined by her friend Stef (again) to dive into Noah's newest album, “The Great Divide: The Last of the Bugs” while Laura is still on maternity leave. They reacted to the whole album for YouTube (linked below), and loved it so much they knew they had to come on here and break it down. Laura even shares her two cents in a few places via some voice memos, which is really fun. They begin by talking about how Noah's songwriting is similar to Taylor's before diving more deeply into the album with specific tracks, and then ending with favorite songs, lyrics and ratings, etc.A couple notes: we goofed and didn't realize that evermore was INDEED nominated for Album of the Year in 2022. Our bad! Also, we forgot to play Laura's voice memo about her top 3 songs from the album, so her 3 favorites are: End of August, Orbiter and Willing and Able.We hope you enjoy this one, and please let us know if you'd like us to do more of this kind of episode in the future.Chapters(00:00) Intro(1:35) Taylor Updates(11:37) Our backgrounds with Noah(18:18) Noah's similarities to Taylor(34:22) Introducing “The Great Divide” - overall thoughts and themes(50:46) End of August(56:51) Doors(1:03:56) American Cars(1:09:21) Downfall(1:14:23) Paid Time Off(1:17:43) Staying Still(1:20:23) Haircut(1:22:56) Willing and Able(1:27:14) Dashboard(1:28:30) 23(1:32:01) All Them Horses + A Few Of Your Own(1:33:58) Orbiter(1:39:21) Dan(1:45:20) Top 3 Favorite Songs(1:46:54) Skips(1:51:07) Best Bridge(1:59:58) Song for Taylor to be featured on(2:07:18) Favorite Lyrics(2:10:33) Rating the album(2:16:05) Signing off / outroSUPPORT US ON PATREON! Show us some love and get monthly bonus episodes and first dibs on upcoming episode ideas. We'd be enchanted to have you join our Swiftie community!Links ReferencedNYT - 30 Greatest Living American SongwritersNational Recording Registry Inducts Sounds of Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, The Go-Go's, Vince Gill, Weezer, Reba McEntire and MoreChats and Reacts girls react to “Stick Season”Sara and Stef react to “The Great Divide: The Last of the Bugs”Please make sure to subscribe and leave a review. If you'd like to reach out to send in a question or comment, please do so via any of these platforms:email blankplatepod@gmail.comleave a voicemail at (717) 382-831Patreon (get bonus episodes and first dibs on episode ideas)YouTubeInstagramTikTokYou can also follow Sara and Laura individually:• Laura: Instagram and Tiktok• Sara: InstagramListen to our previous podcast: Passports & Pizza

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Swifties, the clues and clouds and clowns are officially spiraling out of control.Taylor Swift has been SEEN lately and we know that is normally intentional! New York pap walks, London outings, wedding appearances, black-and-white fashion moments, silk dresses, gold jewelry, florals, opals…. and enough Easter eggs to send the fandom into full detective mode. In this episode of 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, we break down the internet's wildest TS13 theories and ask the question every Swiftie is screaming right now:What is Taylor trying to tell us?There are so many theories- the silk theory, the life and death of butterflies and showgirls, cocoons, debut symbolism, The Wizard of Oz, lyrical outfit references and the mysterious website countdown.. We unpack every clue surrounding Taylor's current aesthetic shift. Is she teasing TS13? Debut for the 20 anniversary? A documentary? Or are we watching Taylor enter her bridal era in real time?We also dive into:Taylor and Travis Kelce's latest wedding appearanceThe black-and-white-to-gold color transition Swifties are obsessing overWhy fans think “The Life of a Showgirl” could connect directly to TS13Theories involving clouds, dreamscapes, butterflies, and emerald city imageryTaylor's opal earrings and the significance of the number 13The Stephen Colbert Easter eggs resurfacing years laterSpotify's all-time Wrapped results and our most-streamed Taylor songs1989 being inducted into the Library of Congress National Recording RegistryAre the clouds important or just a red herring? Is this the bridal era or just a palette cleanse before we start seeing “screaming color”? And most importantly… Are we all about to get jump-scared by Taylor Nation again?Grab your friendship bracelets and clown makeup. There are lots of convincing theories to unpack and allllll of them are making a lot of sense right now!Plus, Nick's daughter Ellie joins the show for the cutest mini Swiftie interview ever and she reveals what era she is currently in. What do you think is going on? What did we miss? And what else would you like to hear from us? There are lots of ways to reach us!This is a paid advertisement from BetterHelp. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at http://BetterHelp.com/TAYLORSWIFTFAN. Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan PodcastJoin the conversation in our exclusive Lobster Lounge: station.page/13 Contact the Podcast Voicemail: (689) 214-1313 Email: the13podcast@gmail.com Instagram: @the13podcast TikTok: @the13podcast Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Follow the Hosts Ana – @anaszabo13 Lacey – @laceygee13 Amy – @amysnichols Nick – @heynickadamsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Will Ash get cancelled for dropping a bombshell in this episode? Stay tuned and find out just how hot the takes in this conversation are!That's right, this week LeAnn and Ella are joined by Ash to hear all about The Next Era Project: a space for Swifties to connect as they recognize where they are now in life while setting sights on personal growth to reach their best era yet.Ash shares her own Swiftie background with us, what inspired the creation of The Next Era Project, and where new participants can start in this journey through the eras.Plus, this week's song recap serendipitously features evermore's track 7, happiness. We chat about how this song is relatable to the journey of personal evolution while recognizing maybe there is a bit of hope within the lyrics.Be sure to follow The Next Era Project's Instagram at @thenexteraproject. If you're ready to dive into the resources available, check them out here.If you would like to join a future episode of Diary of a Swiftie, send us a DM on our Instagram @diaryofaswiftiepodcast, or send us an email. Thank you to Ash for joining us and sharing all about this exceptional resource available to everyone now!

First up, a massive celebrity engagement has taken a bizarrely fated turn after fans discovered a hidden connection between Harry Styles, Zoe Kravitz and a beloved book franchise. Plus, we're dissecting the first grainy on-set photos from a highly anticipated movie sequel - including a certain "upgraded" diamond ring that has the internet comparing old flames .Plus, we have a very serious theory about a sky-blue dress and a horseshoe necklace. We’re unpacking why a certain countdown appeared and vanished on a major artist's website, and whether she is about to pivot into the world of animated sequels to finally secure her "EGOT" status.And finally, the real-life inspiration behind one of cinema's most iconic "assistant" roles has finally stepped out of the shadows after twenty years. We get into her "savage" rebuttal to the woman who wrote the book and her mortifying encounter at a mutual friend’s house with the A-list actress who played her on screen. 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Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at thespill@mamamia.com.au and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast. From Mum and Me Out.00:02Speaker 2 Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick and I'm Tina Burke and coming up on the show today, Look, Taylor slipped us up to some antics. There's secret coded messages in her outfits, there's potential secret songs, there's a countdown.00:15Speaker 1 I'm gonna be so honest.00:16Speaker 2 I'm gonna let you, Tina Burke, explain that because that is wait, you're crazy, Taylor, so fandom that's your business. Plus something I have been obsessed with for the last few days. I know we both have, but we need to talk about it. The real life Emily from The Devil Wears Prada has come forward after all these years, and she's given some really interesting insights about the author of the book, Anna wind Tour Emily Blunt. We're getting get into the biggest takeaways from that, but first you have some other things to discuss.00:43Speaker 3 I have some things that have come across my desk this morning. One of them is very short and I just need to touch on it really quickly, Will And it is that. Obviously, last week we discussed Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles engaged. According to people magazine. Do you know what their middle names are? Her middle name is Isabelle, Isabella Isabelle.01:00Speaker 1 Last, what his is? No, it's Edward. Oh they are Edward and Bella. Oh my god, this has blown up.01:08Speaker 2 You might be the only person who. Oh no, it has blown up on socials this morning.01:12Speaker 3 It's come across the internet because they are Bella and Edward from Twilight, which means they are now faded to be together forever. I was skeptical before. I was like, they're not gonna last. It's not gonna happen. And now I'm like, no, they're Bella and Edward, so like it's gonna happen. By Stephanie Wheer, Oh my god, I love some little nerd put that together. I love nerds.01:28Speaker 1 And they together.01:29Speaker 2 For nine months, we've had this information for nine months and only now have people picked it up.01:32Speaker 3 Someone sat on it until now, And maybe they'll have a little renett me of their own, just something to think about, something a bit.01:37Speaker 1 More serious, do you think of it?01:39Speaker 2 Well, I'm sure they'll be thrilled that people have figured out they're supposed to be together because they're middle names.01:43Speaker 1 Yes, no other reason.01:46Speaker 2 Yeah, something more serious that isn't more serious, No, but with just my lurkings on social media is the Summer I Turn Pretty has officially.01:55Speaker 3 Been done filming the movie, which is very exciting. It's been really like under wrapped of what exactly the plot was going to be. I mean, we pretty much assume and everyone has reported that it's going to be about like Belly and Conrad finally getting married, but we didn't finally.02:10Speaker 2 Everyone's like, well, when will those crazy kids get married?02:13Speaker 3 Honestly like sitting on the shelf at this point. But I do think they're going to be about twenty five. But the first onset photos came out over the weekend. They've gotten back to set and while they were incredibly grainy and blurry and they were kind of like pat photos or fan photos taken on phones, they're all out on a boat on the lake.02:29Speaker 1 It's very the summer return pretty.02:31Speaker 3 Yes, what you can see is that Belly has a big diamond ring on her left ring finger.02:37Speaker 2 Okay, people have not handled these photos well in a mature way. Everyone has been pretty nasty, pretty crazy because the ring, as we all remember, if you can even call her that, that was given to Belly by Jeremiah in the show was so small that you literally couldn't see it. Even when she held it up in front of your face, you could not see it. We put it on socials and we had to.02:58Speaker 3 Draw a circle around it, the tiny little diamond.03:01Speaker 2 From that point, poor Jenny Hahn, the writer of the books and creator of the TV series and showrunner and all these things, This talented, creative, brilliant woman then gave up her precious time to go on oppressed tour to do interviews so that fans could ask her questions about the show. And all that woman got asked was what was that tiny ring? Was that meant to be a joke? And that poor woman had to answer over and over again. No, it wasn't meant to be a joke. We just thought, like, he doesn't have any money, so of course you'd have a small ring. It's just the way that belly held it up so defiantly to show the family and then you couldn't see it, and you couldn't see it at all. Became such a running joke.03:36Speaker 3 Yes, and so even from a great distance on a boat in the middle of the high seas, you can see the ring that we can assume Conrad has given to her. So it's a Peconkin diamond, and I'm very excited about that because she does deserve it. And this is why you date the handsome doctor and not like the weird other brother. There were lots of reasons, but I do think this is one of them. The other big thing that has come out based on these photos is that Jeremiah our like sad single other.04:01Speaker 1 Hey.04:01Speaker 2 Hey, some of us were kind of quietly team Joremiah nick word team Jeremiah, and I don't understand why, but that's your business. He has his arm wrapped around a mystery blonde woman, so that, oh god, it's not that woman from who was that girl?04:13Speaker 1 I kind of friend.04:14Speaker 3 Yeah, So the whole season three subplot of him falling for the roommate and the roommate being a weird hater of Conrad that never.04:21Speaker 1 Sat well, Yeah, that just felt right. That was for nothing.04:23Speaker 3 It felt rushed, and it was for nothing because now he's on a boat with a woman who looks a little bit too much like his mother and he's got his arm around her and they look to be a couple. So wow, something to think about there, But we don't really know too much about what the film is about, but we do know that Jenny Hahn is directing. So she directed one of the episodes of the season three, which was episode five. Laura, I don't know how much you remember the summer I Turned pretty, but episode five was the one from Conrad's pov Oh the Apple.04:48Speaker 1 We hate the Apple, and he is in the white T shirt. Yeah, that song played wild Horses beautiful.04:52Speaker 3 VI.04:52Speaker 2 Wow, I just like, I feel like I just lost you for a second, just went off and I just got into.04:55Speaker 3 My Conrad's little like mind bubble. But she's going to direct the film, so she said, taking inspiration from Nora Efron. Oh great, so great person to take your inspiration from. You do have to wonder what like the traditional third actension is going to because I think the whole show was third actension and we don't need to see a mini breakup again. But I don't know, maybe Steven and the other one can have some drama.05:17Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean that's the thing. Isn't it to be able to make a movie like that.05:20Speaker 2 Yes, yes, you've got the wedding as the plot, but there's going to have to be some moment where you think they're not going to get married some sort of drama.05:26Speaker 1 You can't just have a wedding.05:27Speaker 3 No, But like at this point, it's been drama non stop for years.05:30Speaker 1 You go tired to Paris.05:31Speaker 3 She's like, actually, I'm going back to Paris, thank you so much. I'm leaving you again. That would be so boring. We can't do that.05:36Speaker 1 Do we know when this is coming out? Like, at least not until next.05:39Speaker 2 Year twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty seven to be coming out. Yeah, I mean, I guess people will still be interesting, Like I know people still be interested, But I was worried when the show ended and they announced the movie was happening, and the momentum was so huge, and in my head, I was like, oh, I wonder if they've started shooting so that this can come out at least a year after the last episode has aired, and now it's going to.05:59Speaker 1 Be well over year.06:01Speaker 3 Yues.06:01Speaker 2 People still care because there was such a fandom around that show.06:04Speaker 1 But do we think it all? Do we think the momentums lost a little bit?06:07Speaker 3 I think so, And as well, there were reports like the other week about the fact that maybe the cast had only signed on to do the movie in order to get pay bumps for season three when they were renegotiating, and Deadline kind of reported saw stuff the cast themselves didn't come out and say this, but that the cast might have felt like they were a little bit taken hostage in having to agree to the movie so that they could get a pay.06:28Speaker 1 Rise for three.06:29Speaker 3 So there's also like that little underlying tension as well that I think some fans aren't happy with. And yeah, it's a long wait for a movie that realistically like I don't know what's like, how much could possibly happen.06:39Speaker 2 Yeah, we love Jenny harm but yeah, we love Jenny Harm. Well, hopefully there's a big plot twist in there. But that's the thing about having these continuing stories is like you do have to kind of break something or change something in order to make it worth the stakes.06:51Speaker 1 Yeah, but I'm sure to be fine.06:52Speaker 2 And also at least that they were all out of like high school and through college, they have to worry about it. They don't have to worry about them aging out of their roles. Yeah, we've got a good fifteen year years before that happens. So no, I think it'd be fun.07:02Speaker 1 Yeah, So, as.07:04Speaker 3 Discussed my favorite topic in the world. Taylor Ellison Swift has come up twice, actually more than even twice, several times in the past week, but on two very significant occasions. We have been talking about Taylor Swift and I have been talking your ear off, and I'm sure you loved every second of it.07:18Speaker 1 Right, No, I always.07:19Speaker 2 Find that you have an interesting angle on Taylor Swift because you're like really in the weeds with not just the fan theories, but kind of like the industry chat as well.07:27Speaker 1 So I find that very interesting. I thank you for play kating a lot of people who care about stuff I can't really relate.07:32Speaker 3 Yeah, and I care about everything weigh too much. But one of the things that came up last week, which some of the spillers may have seen, I know a lot of people were texting me going, what the hell is happening right now?07:44Speaker 2 People text you if something happens to tell you Swift, They're like, what's going on? Why is this a thing?07:48Speaker 1 And to be fair, you know the answer, and I do know the answer.07:50Speaker 3 So Taylor Swift. On Friday last week, a mysterious countdown appeared on her website for the briefest of moments and obviously, if you know anything about Taylor Swift, she loves like an Easter egg, she loves a big reveal, and she often does these countdowns on her website. So before the Life of a Showgirl album came out, whole website changed colors, big countdown pops up. This time, her website briefly changed to a sky blue background with like white cartoon clouds, and a countdown appeared in like this also cartoonish kind of font and then disappeared, and the Swifties very quickly put together that it looked like Toy Story Wow, okay, and Toy Story five is coming out soon.08:31Speaker 1 No, I'm aware, Oh good, I'm aware. I'm up on the plots, I'm up on everything.08:35Speaker 3 No, everything, and Toy Story five is coming out soon. But the thing is, people suddenly realized, holy shit, has a Taylor Swift been dropping Toy Story five clues?08:45Speaker 1 And again, yes, yes, okay, it looks like yes.08:49Speaker 3 So one of the things that I love about Taylor Swift is so and it's bold of me to say this, I'm sitting here in a T shirt, but her street style is not necessarily beloved by the fashion girls. A lot of people think she dresses a bit basic or like. The common theme is people think there's always like one thing wrong with her outfits, so she often gets roasted for her She.09:08Speaker 2 Gets roasted, And it's so interesting how there's this huge fandom of people that are just like, oh, she looks she just looks terrible. She dresses frumpy. If you listen to any kind of fashion podcast, fashion adjacent, any kind of industry chat, they're just like, she's known as being like one of the worst dress celebrities. Can I just say, I can't see it. I like her outfits.09:28Speaker 1 I like them too. I guess I'm just not a fashion girl.09:31Speaker 2 But I thought, like recently in the dress with the little yellow bag and the heels, maybe it's because I too am a little basic. Like when people just like, oh, it's so boring when she just wears a glittery gown, I was like, you know what, wear a glittery gown. I'm so sick of everyone wearing a beige column dress or a black dress. They're like, it's chival blah blah blah. I don't know, they all look the same. Well, at least she has a look.09:50Speaker 1 Yes, she has a look.09:51Speaker 3 She knows what her style is, and she has worked for years and years and years with the same style as Stress of Castles. You have to wonder how he feels about it all. But he also does like her, like streaming and stuff for like the Era's tool.10:01Speaker 2 If he does love that, it's so wild because I don't see a huge jump between her costumes from the RAS tour and her street style and her red carpet style. To me, it all looks very like concise and that it fits together, Like she doesn't look like she's in a costume when she's on stage to me, and she doesn't look like she's been dressed by someone else when she's like she always looks like her. Yeah, and there's very few celebs that look like that, Like some of them, there's such a clear line between their street style and their event dressing.10:26Speaker 1 Yeah. So I don't know what people want. I don't know what people want.10:29Speaker 3 But what they did was dig back, and they didn't have to dig very far because last week she did wear the outfit you're talking about, which is like a sky blue dress.10:36Speaker 1 She had a yellow bag.10:36Speaker 3 She was wearing lue batons, which obviously have a red bottom on them, and she was wearing a horse shoe necklace, and so people ripped into this outfit last week. Yeah, and then suddenly on Friday, when.10:46Speaker 1 I was like, wa, where can I buy that?10:47Speaker 3 And I can't afford it? But I thought she I thought it was a great dress. She was out for dinner with her family and friends. And though she has previously said she does an Easter Egg when she's like Easter Egg her personal life, she does Easter Egg through fashion all of the time. And people as soon as this Toy Story theory started kicking around, well like, wait a minute, was that hideous outfit we hated on Monday a.11:05Speaker 1 Toy Story five clue? Maybe?11:08Speaker 3 And then outside of that, there is also there's clouds in the background of her opal Aite music video, Greta Lee, obviously because of the Graham Norton show was in that music video. Guess what She's also doing voicing a character in Toy Story five exactly, and June five is the really.11:23Speaker 1 State of Toy Story five.11:24Speaker 3 It was also the really state of Tailswift's debut album, Whoa. So everyone's kind of gathered these clues together to decide that she is making his song for Toy Story five and that the countdown accidentally got set live early.11:36Speaker 1 Oh but does she do anything by accident that I'm not sure of.11:39Speaker 2 So if the countdown had been like real, it would have counted down to like Sunday five am ish our time, and then nothing happened.11:45Speaker 1 And nothing, but it did disappear.11:47Speaker 3 So I do have to wonder if it was like a phase test gone wrong. If it is gonna happen, I mean we'll find out. It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to me for like Taylor to be like, you know what, now it's time for a kid's music soundtrack.11:59Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, look, she's exactly the right age to have a very nostalgic yeah, because like all elder Malone, like she's an elder millennial just like us.12:07Speaker 1 Maybe or not, but yeah, we're all in that same.12:09Speaker 2 Bracket where we'd like grown up with Toy Story and then that we had like the later Toy Story movies that hit us as adults, and now this next one that we know is coming up is really kind of hitting everyone. It's more for adults and kids, it's hitting us at the stage of our life where we're in wood.12:22Speaker 1 He's got a bald spots triggering for everyone.12:26Speaker 2 It's yeah, so May there's a world in which she's a secret Toy Story fan and she has a real affinity with this franchise she's growing up with, and like it's all the cool kids like Greta Lee's getting in on Toy Story and then you have like Tom Hanks coming back and all the voice cast, and yeah, it's the one thing that everyone wants a piece of at the moment in Hollywood, which is so crazy.12:44Speaker 1 It's a Toy Story franchise.12:45Speaker 3 And one thing we know about Taylor Swift is that she does love an award. And if she could win a songwriting award and get a little bit closer to being an Eagle winner, you just know she would love that.12:55Speaker 2 She's just had a rough run as that poor girl. When will anything go right for Taylor?13:00Speaker 1 When will she again?13:01Speaker 2 I know she was meant to be a shoeing for the Oscars for Cats, Yeah, because she When you write a song, you co write a song with Andrew Lloyd Webber for one of the like most enduring musicals of all time, yea, you should at least get a nomination and probably a win, And that song was lovely, and I'm sure she pictured herself up on stage the Oscar singing it. And then Cats were so reviled and so universally hated the fact that Andrew Lloyd Webber went and bought a dog. Man hated dogs.13:29Speaker 1 He's like it turned me. He literally said that the other day a dog person.13:33Speaker 2 Yeah, He's like, I hated the adaptation of my work Cats so much that I went and bought a dog.13:38Speaker 1 Like, that's how much that man is angry at And.13:40Speaker 2 So Taylor's missu and that, and then everyone thought she was going to get a short film for the nomination for All Too Well. And there's been a few other times her music has been in the mix for a possible nomination, but it just hasn't. It's the one thing that's eluding her.13:51Speaker 3 It is, and I do think like she's got her thinking cap on and she's like a sad song about Jesse the Doll. That's a Cowboys song that could do well.13:59Speaker 2 I mean, the thing is, it's it's a good plan. If that woman writes a banger for toy story for the next movie, then yeah she's in. Then that's a real hook for a Best Song nomination at least.14:10Speaker 3 Yes, and so that was sort of the like unseerious side, but I do believe in it.14:14Speaker 1 That was a serious side.14:15Speaker 3 Yes, no surprising thing. So something else that Taylors which is making headlines for at the moment is her name in relation to a billion dollar sale to do with Spotify. But it's kind of due to something that she did back in twenty eighteen. And the reason I want to talk about it is because I love her so much, but also she's going to get so many other artists and so many other like songwriters and people involved in production paid out as a result of something she did back in twenty eighteen. But basically Universal Music Group are looking at selling half of their three percent stake in Spotify. And that might sound small, but that deal could be worth as much as like one point four billion dollars.14:51Speaker 1 It's a lot of money.14:52Speaker 3 So basically a bid from Pershing Square came to Universal which was to like buy out part of Universal or to become an investor, and in order to do that, they wanted them to liquidate part of their Spotify shares. But then for some reason everyone's reporting that it's like independently Universal Music has decided to sell off part of their Spotify shares and that was announced in April, but at the moment, they're obviously looking to sell off the stake. And what that would mean, like why Taylor Swift is involved is that she negotiated a deal back when she signed in twenty eighteen and other labels were selling off their Spotify shares, she negotiated that the funds would be non recoupable.15:33Speaker 1 Hard work to say.15:34Speaker 3 Got to tell you what that means is, obviously record labels, like every other label that would exist in the world, when an artist makes money, part of that money goes back to their record label. But obviously in this case the record label would be selling something, they would be giving that money to artists, and Taylor Swift is blocking that money from ending up going back to the record label. Oh and so the reason that she did that was because, as we know, Masters were a really big deal to her. She universal in twenty eighteen, and the reason she left Big Machine Records is she wanted to own her masters, like to own her own work, and the only way that Big Machine were willing to do that was if she gave them all one for one deal. So every time she gave them a new album, they would give her back ownership.16:14Speaker 1 Of one of her older albums.16:15Speaker 3 Oh, and she was like no, and didn't really trust Scott Bourschetta. And I think as well. She'd signed on when she was so young, she was a teenager. Her family were really involved. She was one of the very first artists that they had at Big Machine Records. She's certainly their most successful and I think they tried to make her feel as though like she owed them this deal even though it wasn't beneficial or good for her, and so she walked away went to another music group. As we know, the Masters thing kind of carried on for years and at that time wasn't as well known. But in twenty eighteen it did become a big deal. Oh my god, Taylor Swift wants more money from Universal. And what she was actually doing was making sure that this deal would impact smaller artists and musicians. And she said it at the time, she was like, I see it as a sign that we're heading towards positive change, a goal I'm not going to stop trying to help achieve in whatever ways I can. But she was very honest at the time that she was on her sixth seventh album, and she was like, I can speak up and be a voice for change, but younger artists can't. And she was like, what is the point of me, essentially, if I'm not going to stand my ground and have these arguments with record labels and Universal agreed. So they were one of the first to do it, and it does mean now when they're doing this sale, all of these other artists are gain and benefit massively, and I do think it's a testament today Swift. And I know a lot of people talk about her being a billionaire or like money grabbing, and at the time this deal was viewed very much as like, oh.17:35Speaker 1 She's just out for herself.17:36Speaker 3 But I do think she's one of those rare people in the music industry who isn't even though yes, she's going to benefit too, she does want other people to not go through what she went through.17:46Speaker 2 That's interesting thing because and I've said this before public on the podcast, So whether it's wrong or right, is that sometimes I feel like when she takes in the past, she has taken these big stands, it often kind of comes across like people really rally around her and celebrate her for some of the things she's done or when she said, but a lot of them. It sometimes feels like she just weighs on an issue when it's going to benefit her, and she tries to make it a universal thing. She's like, this man said this, you know, inappropriate thing to me, which also fair enough to be upset, and she's like, I'm going to take a stand, and everyone kind of rallies around her, and yeah, it's like, you know, oh, women's rights are that sort of thing. But at the same time, when you actually look at it from like a like a higher lens and kind of float above it, you're like, that was that was.18:26Speaker 1 Just for you.18:27Speaker 2 And saying the master's thing where I think for a long time there where she was like everyone felt like they were swept up in this big movement of like Taylor Swift getting her music back and it was this huge thing and it felt like a communal win every time she did it. But if you actually again looked at that, it was like, oh, no, it's just it's her, Like obviously.18:43Speaker 1 People are not. Everyone's going to own their masters. Yeah, and also like that's nice.18:47Speaker 2 It's like, you know, to feel good about what your favorite artist does and to feel involved in that, and I know that was a real sense of community around the Swifties. But then at the same time, yes, it always kind of felt like, oh, she'll speak on it, but only if it kind of comes back to her. But then I guess over the years she has kind of tried to, like when she spoke about politics and you know, tried to endorse like a different candidate, and she was like very aware that was like a bigger thing than her then. And I you know, obviously I know how much money she gives away and all that sorts of things, but you know, if you want to get on the weeds in it, it's kind of always felt like and that's what I hear a lot of you know, fans talk about the fact they love her music, but they wish she really stood for something.19:23Speaker 1 Outside of herself.19:25Speaker 2 But then also because of her branding and the way she kind of puts herself as this kind of like very inclusionary person, we all obviously expect more of her than other artists, particularly male artists. So it's a very weedy path. So you're kind of telling me that this was on because when I first heard of this, I only heard of it really top line, and I thought it was once again a thing of Taylor's lived coming out and like making sure that she has a win, making sure that she has her money, making sure that she's protected, and that being her first kind of priority, and then as a default, she's pulled other people in with her and she's being like overly celebrated. That's what I thought, But you're that that's not correct.20:01Speaker 3 Yeah, Look, my perspective on it is as you kind of said, there's been times like the Master's thing when she was releasing the Taylor's versions of albums. I liked it because I got new songs. Oh yeah, yeah, which I know, so fair enough selfish.20:12Speaker 1 And like fun as as fifty it was like.20:14Speaker 2 Transactional, like an artist you like is putting out content that you're willing to, like essentially buy the streaming and stuff.20:20Speaker 1 That's fair, that's just how business works.20:21Speaker 3 Yeah, But I very much saw that as like she did that because she it was personal to her.20:26Speaker 1 She wanted to own her own art.20:27Speaker 3 That's great, but it wasn't necessarily, like you said, the big moment that a lot of people built it up to be where everyone was going to benefit or everyone was going to succeed out of this. I do think though, when she did make this decision, there was a lot She actually received a lot of backlash at the time because she'd also previously like she took her music off of Apple Music in twenty fifteen. Yes, I remember that, and it was a whole big deal because Apple started doing like free trials essentially, and Taylor was like, well, how are people going to get paid if you're doing free trials? So then she took her music off temporarily, and then Apple agreed to still pay the artist despite the free trial periods, and she.21:02Speaker 1 Went back on.21:02Speaker 3 And I'd always taken her music off Spotify in twenty seventeen, like, so she'd done it a couple times in.21:07Speaker 2 Order, and I know those were framed if she was like, this doesn't make a difference to me, I'm doing this for other artists. Yeah, But was some part of it also because she's a business woman, and you don't become a billionaire without being very conscious of like keeping your money and making sure you're getting like squeezing money out of every little area that you can, like that's how you become rich. So was they also a part of her that was like I need to protect my own money, even though I don't need to at this stage, it's still money I'm losing. And then by default I will pull like I will help other artists out, which I'm sure the artists getting the money they don't care that she did it for herself and they're a byproduct.21:40Speaker 1 You'd be happy to take it.21:41Speaker 2 But it's just so interesting we always have to like she's a billionaire, and everyone still has to be like we have to protect the downtrodden kind of, you.21:49Speaker 3 Know, like yeah, yeah, And I do think at the time, like, for sure, those decisions like with Apple and Spotify in twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen, definitely we're about protecting her assets and all of that. I do think the decision in twenty eighteen to sort of negotiate all of these terms with Universal because that wasn't the only agreement that they came to. But I do think that had a lot to do with the way she was feeling taken advantage of with big machine records. Yes, and yes, that is a lot to do with herself. But I do think she looked then at that point in time, this is like after she's been canceled. This is when people are hating her guts, and I do think she started to look more. It's also when she's getting to like reputation. That world tour was at the time the highest grossing tour of all time, Like it was a big deal in North America. So I do think she was at a very successful point, but also at a point where she recognized that she had a bit more power than she'd ever had before and finally got to negotiate something and look back at how she'd been treated by this independent record label and just wanted to do something that protected people. She's also had the same band her whole career. She's worked with a lot of the same production team, same songwriters, same people in her camp the entire time. And while they're really well taken care of, I think she also sees that like not a lot of people are, and she's about like when she was a songwriter back in Nashville, she would be in these like communities and people would be talking about how they got money from people buying like a Faith Hill song that they had worked on one time, and so she was like, that doesn't happen anymore. So I want songwriters to be better paid. It basically all came down to the whole songwriting element of how she sees herself rather than like the big pop stars and stuff. Did she benefit absolutely, and do people often yeah, compliment her when she does something just for herself and it ends up benefiting others.23:28Speaker 1 Absolutely.23:28Speaker 3 But I do think in this instance, like it is going to help a lot of people put food on the table and also remain in the industry a bit longer when you have deals that actually support the lower down people in music.23:40Speaker 1 And like I guess in terms of musical.23:42Speaker 3 Billionaires, I'm glad at least one of them is doing something better than other people.23:45Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.23:46Speaker 2 And that's the thing I don't like when people like, look at Taylor Sitch and has to do these extremes of like she's a superhero, she's a super villain. Like, yeah, it's a bit in the middle. It's a bit in the middle. Like do I think anyone should be a billionaire?23:56Speaker 1 No? I don't.23:57Speaker 3 But also I do think she donates a lot of mine. You see it all the time. She doesn't come out and go look I did this, Like random charities will be like, hey, she just gave us a million bucks and you're like, oh sick.24:07Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, Well, and you know the good news. I guess out of this might takeaway. She might have some sweet toy story.24:11Speaker 2 Money coming in. She might look she'll never be shy I of a dollar, Taylor Swift. But hey, maybe she'll help some people along the way. Well, we're still very much in the devil Weares prior to two weeks. The movie came out last week. We've got a special episode coming up this Friday about it. The movie, So it released this weekend. We're like number one at the box office across the world, as we thought it would be. Apparently it's going to go even further than projected with like the money it's making here the box office, because people are going to see it multiple times. And I love that and hopefully I don't know what it's going to take for studios to take notice, because it's like we have Barbie Breaks all the box office records, Wuthering Heights, love it or hate it, Women just wanted to get dressed up and go with their friends.24:48Speaker 1 Yeah, did amazingly crush the box office.24:52Speaker 2 And now the same thing, women are getting dressed up going to the movies.24:54Speaker 1 Like guys, are we seeing a pattern here? People like the movies.24:57Speaker 2 It's almost like women want to go and see women's stories at the movies.25:01Speaker 1 They can get dressed up and have a goddamn cocktail.25:04Speaker 2 Anyway, So, as we move through Devil Wears Prider Week, and I'm having a great time with everyone who's coming out and would work to share their thoughts and feelings and everything, something very interesting has happened, something historic. I would even go as far to say the real inspiration behind Emily Charlton, a character in the Devil West Prata who has been in three of the books and also now the two movies, the real woman behind her has come forward for the first time in decades. People have tried to work out who she was for years, and I'm sure people in the fashion and magazine industry knew, but she herself has never come out and said anything until now, until the movie has come out and so well received it to be said, there's a straight line there. So Leslie Freemar, who is a celebrity stylist and has been in the fashion industry for many decades, went on the Vogue podcast and talked to editorial director Chloe Mao because when Anna Wintle vacated, she wouldn't let anyone else be the editor of Vogue, said, she's the editorial director, but she is running the day to day operations at Vogue now as Anna win talk kind of move has moved into a more like overseeing role. And so she interviewed Leslie, and I know you've listened to this multiple times, right, this interview. Yeah, I couldn't get enough of it. I listened to it twice as well. It's been the thing all my group chats are talking about. And it's interesting because it wasn't supposed to be cutting in any way, but if you read between the lines.26:26Speaker 1 Oh yeah, there's some cutting lines.26:28Speaker 2 It's a bit of a savage story about Lauren Weisberger. So if anyone doesn't know, Lauren Weisberger is the author of The Devil Wears Prata and the sequel, The Devil Returns.26:37Speaker 1 And everyone keeps saying that this is the second book, but actually the.26:39Speaker 2 Third, When Life gives You Lu a Little, When Life gives You Lulu Levin's Crazy, which is Emily's story of her leaving Miranda and like getting pregnant and moving to the suburbs and like breaking up with her husband. It's nothing like the movies. Yeah you've said that. Yeah, I've not read this book. And then so here's the Lauren Weisberger that she was Anna Wintour's assistant well over many decades ago now, and she lasted about eight months in the second assistant chair, and we now know that Leslie was the first assistant at the time. So when she came on to do the podcast with Chloe, Chloe sort of says to her, like, why do you think you're the real Emily? And she's like, I don't think I know. And as she tells her story, it's interesting because Vogue was going to have a panel with past Vogue staffers that all could have been the Emily and they were going to sort of like have a discussion. And then Leslie, who doesn't really do anything like she works with celebs, and like, yes, she's Charlie's.27:33Speaker 1 There on style, Yeah, and she's style a lot of.27:35Speaker 2 Red carpet looks and things like that, but she's on a public face. And she had to sort of call Chloe and say, hey, I'm happy to come and talk and help.27:42Speaker 1 But it's going to be.27:43Speaker 2 Really clear if we all get on stage straight away that it's me.27:46Speaker 1 Yeah, that it's definitively me.27:48Speaker 2 I sat across from her, I said lines that are in the book, I know it's me, And so that idea is going to fall apart pretty quickly. And Soe said that she came on the podcast, Ye did you have a favorite reveal from Leslie? Although there was way too many, but I do think the clearest one, or like the best one to me is how she found out about the book. And also that's the clearest one that obviously, yes, the book was written about her, because even Anna Wintor knew the book was about to tell her. So can I tell the story please people who haven't listened. So obviously wide ranging podcast really really good. But in this part, she says she had moved on to be an assistant in a fashion department and then she gets a call from then Anna's new assistant to be like Anna needs to speak with you, and she was like, Anna never needs to speak with you, and also never needs to speak to an assistant. So she hustles on over there and Anna Wintour asks her who is this woman?28:38Speaker 1 Like who is this lady?28:39Speaker 3 And she's like, that was your assistant, and Anna Winter was like, I don't even know.28:43Speaker 2 Her, has no idea, Well, she has a lot of different assistants, and that she was only there for eight months, and I'm sure maybe she'd seen her.28:50Speaker 1 She would have, yeah, but she.28:51Speaker 2 Called her and she was just like, who is Lauren Weisberger? And it was so funny because Grace Cottington, who's a really famous Vogue editor who worked really closely if Anna and that team, wrote in her own book that no one could remember Lauren when brutal so focused so funny about it. She's like, none of us could picture this, and she's like, I guess Anna's assistants were always, you know, just these bobbing, faceless heads outside her office that you would talk to. But like, Leslie is really the only one who has any memory of her.29:20Speaker 1 Yeah.29:21Speaker 3 And so it's obvious enough when Anna has read this, you know, the initial draft of the book to her that the Emily character is Leslie, because she calls Leslie into her office asks her who Lauren is, and then Anna Wintour says, oh, she's written a book about us, and you come off far worse than me.29:36Speaker 2 That is the interesting thing that Leslie says in this interview, is that they received the galley, which is the very very early stages of a book where things are subject are changed, and she said, she it's so funny, Chloe. He's like, did you run outside straight away and read it. She's like, no, I had to back and do and finish my work. And I was like, life, Emily, I mean maybe because she's like, we probably had a big shoot that day.29:58Speaker 1 That was me.29:59Speaker 2 I would have run straight to some hidden corner and I would have read that book under my desk all day. She said, she waited till she got home at night. Okay, if you've got more will power than me, and she said the first iteration of the book was so mean and much more true to life, because what she's saying has happened is that Lauren took a writing class and they said write what you know, and apparently she wrote it as a memoir, and then they wanted to fictionalize it, and then the fictionalized version was really really mean to everyone who worked at Vogue Tour, to the Leslie character who became Emily, and then the editors who worked with her toned it right down to the book that went on the shelves. The Devil Wears Prada, which is interesting because that book does skew very not mean, but it's like the Miranda Priestley character.30:43Speaker 1 Have you read the book?30:44Speaker 3 No?30:44Speaker 1 Oh, okay, I wouldn't. Sorry, no, I wouldn't invite.30:48Speaker 2 If you're going to read a Lauren Weisberger book, I've got I've got a better recommendation. She read, She wrote some good books. She writes a fun book to have by the pool on holiday. I've read, Yeah, like Last Night at Chateau my Mond chasing Harry Winston. Yeah, The Devil is proud of Like the idea is good obviously because it went on to spawn this incredible thing. But the plot's a bit thin. There's no memorable one liners, Like, it's not a witty book. And also the character of Miranda Priestley is like a caricature. Yeah, all the layers that she has in the movie don't exist in the book.31:21Speaker 1 She's just a nasty woman.31:22Speaker 3 Well. I found that interesting because Leslie said she was able to watch the movie and she found the movie really enjoyable. She was like, it's really glamorous, but there's more like empathy and the people are more well rounded than we saw in that initial galley and then even in the book that got published, Like, that's crazy to me that you can know that this is about you and you see it is really mean, but then you see the on screen portrayal and like, yeah, you like Emily and you like Miranda. I don't have way more nuance than I'm guessing they have in the book.31:47Speaker 2 No, in the book, they just kind of mean girls. Like, yeah, I mean Emily and Andrea hang out a little bit more in the book, but she's still pretty mean to her. And like, yeah, the Miranda character is very kind of just like she's a nasty person. Yeah, she's just like this little talk about her being this little bird like creature, which I guess is very Anna Wintle coded who just like stalks into the office. Yeah, they make a lot of there's a lot in the book about what There's like a whole chapter devoted to what she eats, which apparently is also very Anna winto because she likes steak and potatoes and Starbucks and ice cream. And that's a huge cry in the book. So sometimes Lauren Weisberger was I think just typing out her day. But the end is very different, Like it still ends with Andrea like walking away from her, but there's no nuance with Miranda having like that breakdown scene in the hotel room, like that's to the movie with the no makeup where she kind of like drops the facade and there's no like, you know, Andrea, everyone wants to be out.32:36Speaker 1 It's like this is the sacrifice.32:37Speaker 2 It's just her screaming at her, yeah, and just screaming at her. And then it's like very anti climactic with Andy like calling the office and being like can I still get my flight home?32:46Speaker 1 They're like, no, I'm not going to leave you strand there.32:47Speaker 2 You can get your flight home, and it's just like, oh, kind of anticlimactic.32:51Speaker 1 Yeah. The end.32:52Speaker 3 I do think it's really interesting, like, oh forgot The whole thing is so interesting. But one of the parts that made me go, oh, you are Emily is that Leslie explains like the Lauren person slash Andy character, and she was like the reason that I found it like interesting in the book is like I don't remember Lauren ever being a star on the rise. Yeah, but she's pretty much like that didn't happen. And then she explains like Lauren probably thought I was a bitch because I had to do her job for her because she was and she's like she was probably just sitting around writing her book, I guess, but she pretty much is like that girl never did her job and hated it there. And so yes, I used to snap at her because she wouldn't do her job, and I was like.33:29Speaker 1 WHOA to me?33:30Speaker 2 That was the most telling moment from this revelation from the real Emily from the Devilwars Prider. And can I say I've talked to a lot of people who have listened to this interview, and a lot of people have said, like, she comes across as classic Emily. She comes across as a mean girl for saying that, And can I just say team Leslie on that one.33:46Speaker 1 I thought classic Emily in a good way.33:48Speaker 2 Yeah, they're saying she's too mean, Yeah, that she was being mean about Lauren. Everyone closed ranks against Lauren when she wrote this book, to the point where that's why the company line is like we don't know who Lauren Weisberger is.34:01Speaker 1 And the Devil Wears prior like the first.34:03Speaker 2 Premiere, the one that was in New York, apparently, you know how like they have a host camp on stage and kind of greet everyone a paving. The host was like, you know how they got round the room like this person's here, this person's here. They were like Anna Wintour is here, as is the author of the book, and no they're not sitting together.34:17Speaker 1 And everyone was like whoa because they were in the same room. But also, I have this now.34:22Speaker 2 I think that this has been scrubbed from the internet, but I swear to God I read this quote when The Devil Wears Pride. It came out, but I've gone to look for it so many times and I can't find it. So I think that it was written in a magazine and it's been destroyed. Yeah, but I swear to God that Meryl Streep in an interview, they asked what she thought of Lauren Weisberger and she was like, if I was her, I would have spent more time learning from Anna Wintour than writing a book.34:45Speaker 1 That's just me. Now.34:47Speaker 2 That is not maybe not the kind of thing Meryl Street would say, And maybe I'm paraphrasing, but I feel like she says that in an innuay you have like.34:54Speaker 3 A pretty what is you don't have like a photographic memory, but you have pretty similar.34:58Speaker 1 I have a photograph of memory for so things.35:00Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, that'll help me in life. But I swear to god, I read that quotally magazine. Yeah, and some person obviously didn't upload it to the internet or it was it's been screet internet.35:11Speaker 1 But I feel like that was just the vibe.35:12Speaker 2 But yeah, I was very much on Leslie's side because she really cared about fashion. She talked about the fact that she had come from Canada and she had really had to fight her way into this job, and she was working like all that stuff you see in the movie about she was told she had to be in the office at seven point thirty.35:29Speaker 3 She moved closer to the office so she could be there on time and stay late.35:33Speaker 1 I was sleeping in.35:33Speaker 2 That office, so she had to be there at seven thirty in the morning. Yeah, with all of Anna's like books and papers, all that stuff you seen the devil was part of them. Putting him in a fan on her on her desk is all real. And then she had to wait around for the book again things we know from the movie. She had to wait around for the book till like ten o'clock at night, and so she's working these crazy hours she gets promoted to first assistant. They she hires Lauren Wiseberger, who has come from a very prestigious university and is very educated. This is sorry, I mean we know that that's a fact. She did come from a prestigious She was in the ivy leagues in America, so like super educated. And she said, from the moment Lauren got to Vogue, she was just like, I'm too good to be here, yeah, and I don't want to be here. And she had and she said she just wouldn't do her work, and so Leslie had to do all of her work for her. And that's where the resentment grew. And that's where the character of Emily from The Devil Wes Pridact came from her resentment.36:25Speaker 1 And I'm just like, if you've worked in a creative.36:26Speaker 2 Industry, everyone knows that feeling of having to do the work for someone else. Yeah, but there's no way to kind of track it a lot of the time publicly. Yeah.36:33Speaker 3 And it also reframes because she says, she's like, I absolutely told her a million girls would kill for this job, yeah, And like it reframes that to an extent too, Like she is of the opinion that Lauren's come in just to write this book and was wasting time and not doing her job, And it's like, yeah, you probably would say something.36:48Speaker 1 To that effect if you're at Vogue at.36:50Speaker 3 That point in time too, Like insane budgets all of that, So many career opportunities, which there still are with Vogue of course.36:57Speaker 1 But like the more that it's changed.36:58Speaker 3 At that point in time, that was the place to go if you wanted a career in journalism. You could get anything, and like Meryl Streeps or alleged quotes saying if you put in me with.37:08Speaker 1 The Meryl Streeps slander, will they even say? Like in podcasts?37:11Speaker 3 The first assistant before Leslie moved up went on to become the entertainment editor at Vogue it for years and years and years and is a very successful and respected journalist. Like you, Yeah, you could build a career off of being that assistant.37:24Speaker 2 I think back then that was the job one hundred girls would kill for and it probably still is. Yeah, Like I know it still is, Like Vogue still carries a lot of weight, and being an assistant is how you get into that pool. So I think that was Leslie's kind of like and we see that dynamic in the book, but we see it in a different way from Andy's perspective, which is Lauren's perspective of her just not coming into this, like what she's thinking is like a plumb job and not doing any work, but like secretly writing her book under the desk, which is the allegation that Vogue has not been able to prove. And also Leslie also said that she took a writing test for Vogue and was rejected, which is in becau. Lauren Weisberger had some writing published in Vogue recently interesting and everyone was like, look, the woman.38:04Speaker 1 Who was turned away from Vogue.38:06Speaker 2 All she had to go do was write a tell all memoir that gets turned into iconic film series and she finally got in.38:11Speaker 3 It's also kind of interesting then that like a subplot of The Devil wes Prata too, is the idea that Andy might write a tell all memoir.38:18Speaker 1 Okay, that was.38:18Speaker 2 Such a quote when I went and saw because I saw that first part of the movie before I went and did The Devil West prior of interviews, and in the theater I was seeing there was like four other journals. I went because I'm like, that was such a Lauren Weisberger burn Yeah, where they were like, what is she going to do? Go write a tell a memoir about her boss? Ha ha as if that's the worst thing you could do. And I was like, that is literally why we're all sitting here, Yeah, because someone did that. But it's kind of become like, it's interesting because Anna Wintour like could have come out of all of this looking like the villain, but she's come out looking like the hero because everyone's like, we love Miranda Priestley, we love Meryl Street, we love this movie, and by default, we love and a wind Tour for being a part of this and that's why she's lent into it. And then Lauren Weisberger has become the kind of like, obviously she's published so many books and she's doing really well, but she has kind of become the punchline when she was initially set up to be the hero, which I find so interesting. And I just find like Leslie's perspective on Anna so different from someone who was just came in with like kind of no emotion, very ambitious because she talks about the fact that Anna was like very much like no personal chat. We're all here to work, and she works like that and she's very comfortable in that setting.39:28Speaker 1 Can't relate to that, can't relate but I love that story she told where.39:33Speaker 2 So Leslie who was giving the interview, the real Emily is from Canada, and so she was being sponsored by Vogue, a biolized Clark that's a fake company by Conde, asked to work at Vogue. And she got a call one day from the Vogue human resources team to say they were no longer sponsoring anyone, so they weren't going to like do her next visa, and so she basically had to leave the country and lose her job. And she said that she was just hysterically sobbing, something she's never done before, but she was so upset and fair enough, and she said that An she didn't know Anna was going to be in the office that day. All of a sudden, Anna Wintour walks in and I don't know why this is so funny to me. She's like, Anna was clearly uncomfortable, and she just walked away. She just walked into her office. But then she waited a few minutes called her in and I love how Leslie did her. Anna Wintour's voice she said she tried to like kind of do like half a British accident.40:19Speaker 1 She was like, Leslie, why are you crying?40:21Speaker 2 Looks so angry, but also just like can't not angry, but just like so flabbergasted that someone in her office would be showing emotion. And so Leslie told her and she was like, Anna Wintle' was like, oh my god, go sit down and stop crying for God's sake.40:32Speaker 1 And then Anna Wintour just called.40:34Speaker 2 All of a sudden, this man appeared in the office who's like the head of human resources.40:38Speaker 1 And Anna Wintour is like.40:39Speaker 2 Ci, my assistant is crying, and in her head, she's like and that's the worst thing anyone could ever do.40:45Speaker 1 In front of me.40:46Speaker 2 She's like, can you please just get her a visa? Just go and sword it. And he's like, yeah, that's fine. And so she got to stay in America. And now she credits this whole huge fashion career that she's had to Anna Wintour just telling her to stop crying.40:57Speaker 3 And fair enough, It's like, yeah, I do think I thought the little insights were interesting. It's also so interesting because Chloe's the one interviewing her. Yeah, and Chloe, like everyone who is online and has seen the pair of them together in recent interviews, is intrigued by the Chloe Anna relationship and like.41:12Speaker 1 Oh, I don't know. I want to from Chloe so bad.41:15Speaker 3 Yeah, and like little things right, like Leslie was like, well, you can't ask her questions and Chloe's like yeah yeah, and then then.41:21Speaker 1 She's like I'm living that in real time. It's like real And.41:23Speaker 3 They're talking about like the book and like the little like wheel seas, which was apparently like little posters or like seams, which was little posters that Anna would put on to be like email this person, tell them to come see me.41:33Speaker 1 I don't like this bro. Little things like that.41:35Speaker 3 It was so interesting to see like Leslie talking about a career she had twenty years ago and Chloe talking about the career she has now and then both just relating to like Anna's anaysms, but also revealing that like a lot of the things don't come from Anna herself. Yeah, that was interesting. They were like, she's not the one who says you can't take bathroom breaks. It's just like something that's been passed down.41:55Speaker 1 Yeah, it's been passed down. Yeah.41:56Speaker 2 The other thing I thought was really interesting was a reveal that came right to the end, and it was the question that Chloe asked her, which was like, have you have you who plays Emily and The Devil Wears Prata? Have you ever met Emily Blunt? And the answer was yes, because of course she's a celebrity stylist, so she's in that world. And she even Leslie said she always thought about what she would say if she ever met the person who had played her on screen and turned her into this iconic character, even though no one knew that she was the real Emily. So she said she was at a dinner one night at a mutual friend's house and she was like, this is my moment. Emily Blunt's right there. We're on this, We're on even ground. I'm not coming up to an event, We're at a mutual friend's house. We're both here as equals. And then she said to her as they were chatting, I just need to let you know that I am the real Emily. And to be so fair a Leslie, I would have done the exact same thing.42:44Speaker 1 Who wouldn't You're telling Emily.42:46Speaker 2 Blunt that her most iconic role, her first big role, that blew up her career is based on you. I would have dropped that and just been like, like, she she's gonna lose her mind. And apparently Emily Blunt couldn't care less. She said oh and just like went on with the conversation. Now did she not hear her or have so many people in the fashion industry said things like that to her before trying to have an in with her? She was like, oh, or was she maybe like and maybe like alarms went up and she was like, Oh, is this woman gonna say to me at my friend's house like she didn't like my portrayal because she plays her really nasty in a funny way.43:21Speaker 1 Is she gonna like.43:22Speaker 2 Ask me, you know some sort of like inside a question? Does she know something? She worked with the woman who wrote this book and like everyone I know doesn't like that woman, like it was a lot so or does she just is Emily Blunt so cool? She just genuinely did not care.43:35Speaker 3 I feel like Emily Blunt just doesn't care. I really like it, but sometimes intrigues me.43:41Speaker 2 I can't believe that because if you met any person, like if you met the person who was the real person behind a role you played as an actor.43:49Speaker 1 Wouldn't you be interested in that? I ignore people would Yeah, I know.43:53Speaker 2 Some actors don't like to meet the person because they don't want the lines to be blur, they don't want to feel like they can't show them in their worse or they don't want to sort of like do a parody of a person. Yeah, but like that shit is sailed like she did it for the first time twenty years ago. Yeah, Devil was prior to too, wasn't filmed at the time. But also there was no inkling that Devil's product she was ever gonna happen. Yeah, I just want and I'm sure someone will ask Emily Blunt the next time she does a lot of press, and I'm so interested in her answer that. Yeah, it's almost like you feel bad for Leslie.44:22Speaker 3 Like it would have just been at least nice, Like as much as I think she people really like the Emily character and stuff she does.44:29Speaker 1 Speak about it at the.44:30Speaker 3 Time, like people in the industry all knew that it was based on her and her being really scared of how she'd be perceived or if she'd be hired again, or what would happened to her career based on this version of the history they went through together. And she also says like Lauren never called her, Lauren never gave her a heads up, like they have not spoken since, so it's not like how Andy and Emily got along in the end. That's not what has happened here. So she's kind of gone through that never outed herself, goes up to the woman who played her, thinking, oh, we can at least have a nice discussion, and she just.44:56Speaker 1 Gets like kind of ghosted. I don't know that would suck. I think Emily Blunch probably reconsider talking to her about that.45:04Speaker 3 Well.45:04Speaker 2 It's such an interesting interview, and we'll link the whole thing in our show notes.45:07Speaker 1 Because we've only sort of scratched the surface. There's a lot more in there. So good.45:10Speaker 3 Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. Don't forget to follow us on socials. We will pop all of the links in the show notes. We will be back in your feed bright and early tomorrow morning with morning Tea hosted by Ash London. The Spill is produced by Minisihaswarren, with video production by Michael King.45:24Speaker 1 Bye Bye,Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But first, I want to tell you about a new movie trailer that came out just late last night. I do believe when I was scrolling in bed ooh yeah. 00:49Speaker 2 Sexy, Like is it like a movie you think I'd enjoy? 00:52Speaker 1 I think you and I will be front and center at the cinema when this comes out, because we love a rom com. This is a new rom com and it's what I've been asking for. It's rom com with like super talented Academy Award winning leads in the movie. Wow, but there's I just want to just the premise kind of made me stop for a second because I hadn't heard about this movie until I saw the trailer, and then I thought, hmm, so the premise is, and tell me if you're into this, the premise is, what if the movie The Purge was a rom com? Do you know what the Purge is? Have you seen The Purge and all the Purge sequels? 01:29Speaker 2 Not the sequels? 01:30Speaker 1 Yeah, stopped one. You're like, I've purged enough? Yeah, that's enough Purge. I try to see all the Purge, like the first Purge, how the Purge started, Let's purchase some more. Those aren't the official titles, but get Purge, Get Purged, Purge and get out of here all the sequels. So if anyone who hasn't seen The Purge, I think I know. Actually what trailer you're talking about? Yeah, I think I saw it. Yeah, it's been bopping around. So can I say the movie isn't officially associated with the Purge? I just made that connection when I saw it. I know what I mean. This is a rom com Urge. It's purgees I'm not against, but I'm I so want to know if someone sat down to watch The Purge and was like, what if this was a meet cute? Which, again, if anyone hasn't seen The Purge, the premise of the film is that in order to stop crime, there's one night of the year in America where the film is set, where all crime is legal for a certain period of time, So no. 02:22Speaker 3 Crime is legal and any other day of the year except for this one night, and it's all crime. So it's a lot of murder, yeah, a lot of breaking and entry, yeah, exactly, very scary exactly. 02:32Speaker 1 So it's like, you want to kill your neighbor, there's a night to do that. You want to stab a X or your current partner, there's a night to do that. You want to launder money, that's fine, and so that's and like it's like, so you either go out and you try and be part of the Purge and like kill people and commit crime, or you stay at home. This new movie One Night Only takes that premise and says, what if there was only one night? It's at New York City because that's where all good rom comms take place. What if there was only one night of the year that pre marital sex was legal for single people. 03:04Speaker 2 By the Catholic Church. 03:06Speaker 1 Oh yeah, the popes are producer. He got together with the Perch team and they're like, let's crack out something beautiful. Let's do a collab. A colass that's so dark. So the premise is that, yeah, you know what, unless you're married, you can't hook up with anyone, no sex of any any kind, except for one day. What would you do? Became a free time. They're gonna have Oh my god, so many hot you take up crocheting and watercolor. Yes, I love that. I'm gonna say every in the background of this movie, you did look super like put together and well rested. I'm like, that's because the nights are free. So the idea is like one night of the year you can go out and hook up with whoever you want. And a lot of people use that in the movie is like their night. Some people just use it as a night for wild sex, which fair enough, and the rest some other people use as a night to like find their soulate because I want to hook up. Well, they get married, so that's the thing. So starring in this movie is Monica Barbara. Do you know who that is? I know who she is. Yeah, she was in that movie. We loved that Timothy Shalla main movie. No, that's me. 04:11Speaker 3 No, but I know her from what was that TV show that I recommended for a week in watch that? 04:17Speaker 1 I don't know, let's start Arnold schwartz Nager. That's a you recommendation and like it was just all action flubah. I can't help you out there, Fuba, I think of Fuber. Yeah, she'snt that. I can't remembe all the incredible work this woman has done. That's what you picked out. 04:32Speaker 2 Yeah, and that's the best thing she's been in. 04:34Speaker 1 Because she was also on top gun Maverick she yees who the girl, the one girl, the one girl. 04:40Speaker 3 Oh and she was like the one who like the only one who made like who had a problem with her playing? 04:44Speaker 1 Yeah, because Tom Cruise is like it has to be the girl. Oh my god, I had not put that together to bear the girl who goes down? Yeah, exactly because I can't play Wow, Tom cruiseher hook up with the Purge producers. 04:55Speaker 2 He'd love this. 04:57Speaker 1 And also a young man by the name of cal who American accent in this. Yes, he does so who some people call mister Juwa Liipa because they're getting married. But also he was in Eternity, which was my favorite movie of last year. 05:11Speaker 3 Which was also an interesting rom com with like a twist and the big take. 05:15Speaker 1 I love that Callum Turner, who everyone's like, no, no, he's a serious British actor. He's now like, you know what I'm gonna do is lead rom coms? 05:22Speaker 3 Yes, and Dully has to do that before he becomes the next Bond for like ten years. 05:27Speaker 1 Yeah, and then he can't do anything else. Also, the cast this movie is so interesting, so my Hawk and Julia Fox is in it and z Way by the way, which is so. But also Molly Ringwold, Oh do you know who that is? Did we talk about her? 05:39Speaker 2 No, I'm thinking of someone else. 05:40Speaker 1 No. Molly Ringwold in the I Believe the eighties was like the rom com like Pretty in Pink, all those kind of rom coms. She was like the leading lady. I'm trying to put it so she's like, no, no, if you saw her red hair, you would know her. She was in every iconic sixteen candles Pretty in Pink. 06:00Speaker 2 Oh yeah, oh my god. 06:03Speaker 1 But she's in this, Yeah, because it's important if you're bringing wrong cooms back that the original rom com girl is in there. Oh my god, she's so she was in the Breakfast Club. Yes, and the Breakfast Club like I name all her iconic a. So basically it's Callum Turner and Monica Babaro and they are bout two singles out on this one nine and they meet, but then a series events prevents them as the movie goes on, from hooking up and having sex. But yeah, yeah, I mean if I had a dollar. But also it's like the clock is ticking. So I was watching this trail like Giving Cinderella. I was watching this trail like a thriller. I was like, what's gonna happen next that's gonna prevent them from and when do they start dying? Yeah? Yeah, exactly. How funny for the end like Seaway comes in or someone Molly Ringworld comes in like an at it's actually in the Purge universe. It's like an easter eg Purge movie where you didn't realize it was part of it. It just gotta be thinking though, like what other horror movies do we need to be wrong comms? Like does someone reimagine? Does someone reimagine? Halloween? Is like, he was just a girl who murdered his sister. She was a babysitter. Oh my god, Halloween night. They come together and the mask comes off. A love story Halloween is there something like or scream. It's like he's calling on the phone, but he's actually calling to tell you he likes you, and that's why he has to disguise his voice. Oh my god. It's like there's all these horror movies like, oh. 07:23Speaker 3 Like The Grudge, but it's actually like a merge of like under the Tuscan Sun. She goes to Japan to find this life and build this new house. 07:34Speaker 1 That's just like a little boy living she has to look after. Sorry, what do I want to watch that movie? Should we write movies? I think we should write movies. She's going past the Grudge House and it's so dark and terrified. She's like, just like I need to rebuild this and then she falls in love with. 07:53Speaker 3 Trying to get rid of it, like everyone keeps dying, and she's like, I need to rebuild this house. 07:57Speaker 1 And it's just a montage of her redoing the house, and then she falls in love with the Grudge Ghost, what's beautiful? I like this well, I love this new thing. We keep saying rom coms need to come back. That's so true, and I think this is how we bring them back. We merged them with horror movies. Let's start a fan fiction. But like for rom com slash horror. Absolutely so one night only. I'm excited. 08:18Speaker 2 It's going to be so good. 08:21Speaker 3 So there is a film that's currently in cinemas right now and we have been seeing a lot of mixed reviews on It's called Michael. I mean, if you listen to the intro, you know what movie I. 08:33Speaker 1 Did give that away. 08:33Speaker 3 It's called Michael, and it's a biography on the life of Michael Jackson. So it covers his rise to fame as being the biggest pop star in history. The film covers his career from the nineteen sixties, starting off with the Jackson five to the late nineteen eighties where he ends on his bad tour like album bad. It wasn't a bad tour. It was a pretty good tour from what I've heard it. 08:57Speaker 1 How do you keepel like clarifying, Yeah, a bad tour and like bad bad. 09:03Speaker 3 Oh man, they're the song The song bad. It has a huge cast. So Michael is played by Jaffa Jackson, who was also Michael's nephew. His dad, Joe Jackson is played by colemen Domingo, Mike mis isn't it, Miles Teller, isn't it? It's a massive, massive cast. We personally haven't seen the film. From what I've heard by people who went to the screening, a lot of people loved this film. 09:27Speaker 1 Yeah, I've been seeing like so many people come to me and tell me about movies they've seen which I love. And so many people have said to me that they loved this movie that they were like, like, you know, crying, they were overcome with emotion. I've seen people posting that they're going to go see it again two times, three times to experience in the cinema. And that's also what the box office is telling us, like it's gone crazy well at the box office. It's become like the highest grossing musical bio pick of all time. Even when the trailer came out over a year ago. It's shattered records for a musical biopic trailer and became one of the most watched trailers in Studio's history. For Lionsgate, which is huge because they've released so many blockbusters. Like the fans are telling us that they're obsessed and like they're willing to pay for three movie tickets, which is crazy at a time when like it's hard to get people into a cinema. Yeah. 10:13Speaker 3 One, and from what I've heard what the actual film is about. It's labeled as a biography, but it is a very fun film. Like I heard, the music is amazing, like Jaffar's portrayal of Michael Jackson is amazing. The hard parts I'm assuming that people are crying at is it does depict the emotional and physical abuse he went as a child by his father that was played by but. 10:38Speaker 1 I think crying from like happiness is what I've seen the music because they love the music and seeing us. 10:44Speaker 3 Yeah, it was also sanctioned by the Michael Jackson estate. 10:49Speaker 1 So the Michael Jackson estate paid for a lot of it, right, well, they paid for the reshoots that had to happen. And then obviously his family is super involved, not just his nephew being in the starring role, but his Michael Jackson son Prince, his executive producer, along with all his brothers. It's only really Paris Jackson, his daughter right that has spoken out against it. 11:08Speaker 3 He has spoken out against it. And also his sister Janet Jackson didn't give the rights to her likeliness in the film either, so her car like there's no Janet Jackson in the film or portrayal of Janet Jackson in the film. 11:20Speaker 1 But what you mentioned. 11:21Speaker 3 Before with the reshoot, so the original script started to be looked through around twenty twenty three, with the film being greenlet in twenty twenty five. Like coming to our screens, it was meant to come to our screens last year, and it's been reported that the original script included a storyline that actually happened in nineteen ninety three. So now this movie finishes in nineteen ninety eight, which is when the tour happened. 11:44Speaker 2 It was actually meant to. 11:45Speaker 3 Continue because included the first child abuse allegations towards Michael Jackson by Jordan Chandler. However, with the settlement that happened in real life, Jackson's estate promised to chan the family that they would not be dramatized them in the events around the allegation. However, the estate didn't tell that to the original filmmakers, So that's why the movie had to be pushed and they had to do all these reshoots that was reported cost around fifty million USD. Yeah, I can imagine, So it was massive, massive, And I think that's also comes with the mixed reviews. So a lot of film and TV critics without including all of the allegations towards Michael Jackson that has happened over years with boys who are now men, the film they're saying is just actually really bad, Like it is a bad portrayal of Michael Jackson, and it just skirts over incidents in his childhood and in his life, and it doesn't go into the nuances that a biography should. 12:43Speaker 1 Yeah, and that's kind of what Paris Jackson was saying in her comments about it, which I thought was so interesting. So the reason that she put up a bunch of statements on her Instagram account is that Coleman Domingo, who's in the film, had given an interview to People magazine and he was saying that Paris had been very supportive and was very warm and was like that she was really on board with the film. And then Paris went on her instrum accounts pretty much as soon as that interview went live, and she said, don't be telling people I was helpful instead of a movie I have zero involvement in, because that is so weird. And then she went on to say that she actually read the first drafts of the script and gave notes about everything, and she says there was so much that was dishonest, didn't sit right, didn't address it. And then she said none of her notes were taken on board, so she moved on with her life. But then she said, it's basically that the film really panders to a very specific section of my dad's fandom. This is what she said that still lives in the fantasy and so they're going to be happy with it. And then she went on to say that these Hollywood buyer picks can be very sugarcoated, and she said the narrative is being controlled, and there's a lot of inaccuracy, and there's a lot of full blow and lies. At the end of the day, doesn't really fly with me. Go enjoy it, do whatever, just leave me out of it. Which out of all the family statements, I was like the fact that his daughter is saying there is full blow and lies in this and it's sugar coated and basically leave me out of it. I tried to stop you. But on the other hand, like Prince, her brother is an executive producer, and also Blanket, Michael Jackson's younger son, who I think goes by b G now, So they were both at the premiere with the wider Jackson family, and I think it was only Janet and Paris who weren't there. So it feels like there's quite a big divide behind the scenes. 14:21Speaker 3 Yeah, And it's like a divide that we've known for years, Like we've known that Janet Jackson in particular has had issue with the Michael Jackson estate and there's always been conflict there. But what was really interesting is that the whole film in itself, when I was reading a lot of the reviews and the critics, it's that it feels like exactly what Paris said in her statement, like it does pander to that particular type of Michael Jackson fan who has just like always been obsessed with him as an artist, with his music, with his documentaries that were about him, and it like reinforced and like the film kind of tells those fans that you're allowed to still love that man, and you shouldn't feel bad for loving him. 15:07Speaker 1 And I also think that's why a lot of people have loved this. It's like they've wanted to gather together in cinemas, in spaces like this where they can stand up together. People have been like dressing like him or dressing in merch they have and going to those like shared spaces to celebrate this music that they love. So I think that that's kind of been a catalyst for people buying multiple tickets. But yeah, it is interesting because with all of the allegations against Michael Jackson, and obviously there's a lot of different layers there because you know, he wasn't found guilty of the allegations, but there were settlements that were made, like as a result of that, there were so many different allegations and it was like there's no way to kind of move around the fact that for a huge chunk of his life and career, that was the dominant story about him. And there's a lot of people who were either the accusers or the accusers families that have really been staunchly kind of speaking about that, and that's kind of like a hard thing to reconcile, going and tort to a movie about someone's life and just cutting off and being like and that's it, and they're just like Michael's. 16:08Speaker 3 Like literally just before the first allegation takes place in nineteen ninety three, the movie just cuts at like nineteen ninety eight, So you're only really living in that initial world. And I think the way they're portraying Michael Jackson is like that's the part of his life. For I guess it's more quote unquote modern fans, Like I would count myself as like a modern fan of his music, Like I only found his music through my parents, so I never really saw that beginning stage of his life with like Jackson five and everything and Thriller. It was more like later in life where I like rediscovered his music. And I think that's like the fan base that they really. 16:45Speaker 1 Want to hone down into. Yeah, that's so as a fan of his music, did you give your tickets away to the premiere because you just felt uncomfortable going knowing that that portion of his life and the accusations and the court cases and everything were left out of it. Yeah. 17:00Speaker 3 I think because we are so lucky to like have this job. I knew a lot about the intricacies of the allegations, and we both do because we reported on it for so many like years. Yeah, and I also knew about like all the nuances within the family as well. And I remember reading about Jenna Jackson and like her issues with the estate as well as Paris Jackson, and like the conflict between her and her brothers as well. And I think all of that just compiled into I don't want to watch something that just celebrates his life because I feel icky about that. 17:36Speaker 1 Yeah, that's interesting. That's why I didn't go as well. And also the twos that's why I didn't see the Michael Jackson musical when it came to Australia. And I was really surprised when I went on clicked on pictures of the opening night and like literally every single person I know was there, Yeah, which is fine, Like I think that was weird, but I was just a bit like, oh, I thought there was a big conversation happening and then everyone was like, no, we just want to go see this by all accounts incredible musical, which is also fine. And the same thing with the movie, Like everyone who's told me that they've gone, I haven't said, like anything along the lines of, oh my gosh, why are you going to that? Like I have I know people have gone to see it twice, and I have no judgment against it. I just felt personally that I felt, Yeah, I also felt a little uncomfortable, and I also knew like it wasn't the kind of movie that we would be doing an in depth review on. Yeah, and that's the case, Like you want to you want to go and watch it. You can't review or speak on something that you haven't seen. So like our conversation here isn't about the quality of the movie, although a lot of like that's the interesting thing is like so many critics are like this is a terrible movie, and fans like this is the greatest movie I've ever seen, and it's like got huge, Like the score on like all the different fan accounts, Rotten Tomatoes and stuff is like it's one of the highest reviewed Bier picks from fans of all time. So no judgment around that. I just I'm just interested of how that part of the conversation just got so completely blocked out. Yeah, because I feel like people who went and saw it and loved it don't want to engage. 18:55Speaker 2 They don't want to. 18:56Speaker 1 Look at it. 18:57Speaker 3 They don't want to acknowledge that it exists, but it very much does exists. Like those five men who brought the allegations against Michael Jackson that happened to them when they were young boys between the ages of seven and twelve are still very much here and yeah, and they're like, I think there's one thing of like not acknowledging an alleged perpetrator and alleged an alleged abuser, but it's so different to overtly celebrate them as well. 19:23Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I find really uncomfortable. And I've got to say, like, I come from a slightly easier place with this because I'm not a like I like a lot of Michael Jackson music. Like there's a lot of like Billy Jean, that's a bop. The way you make me feel as someone who was raised on center stage, that's a great smoth criminal. But yeah, exactly, Yeah, I mean, you know, I think, listening all the Michael Jackson songs and also like you watch videos of him performing in things, you're like, yeah, he is. He was one of the greatest performers of all time. I don't think anyone is disputing that. Yeah, but also it's not my personal like ride or Die music, like what will, So I'm not grappling with it in the same way it was pretty easy for me to say, like, oh, I might just sit out the musical, I might just sit out the movie. I don't really listen to his music unless it's in a movie or something I love and it comes up, and then I'll listen to it. Like, so I kind of recognize that there's it's a lot harder for people who are like, oh, but I'm a die hard fan, but I also know all these terrible accusations and what do I do with that? Because we all have a version of that, whether it's a movie you loved or like I have TV shows that I loved growing up and it came out that terrible accusations against the people who had made them, like Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Yeah, And so you then have to like, that's my version of the Michael Jackson movie where I have to grapple like do I still watch this, do I still talk positively about it? Do I watch other things that have come out? Because there's all these the same thing, unproven accusations, but very strong accusations. Nonetheless. Yeah, And it's that whole thing of how you grapple with what happens when people who are either terrible because it's proven or there's so many allegations it's hard to ignore. What do you do when then they make the art that you love? 20:59Speaker 3 Yeah, one hundred, But I think it's like right to grapple. What I would say is that if you're just completely ignoring it and then just wanting to see the movie, then I think that's wrong. I think it is important to understand like all the parts of a biography that isn't shown, and there's a lot in even Paris. Jackson says that there's a lot that isn't shown, and the fact that there's also like complete lies in it, that's what she alleges. Then you're not actually watching a biography, you're just watching like kind of like I don't know, well, how would you even describe it, Like it's like something that just celebrates someone as. 21:35Speaker 1 Like a fantasy or like a fantasy of the people who but also it's the people from the Michael Jackson state who were like, you know, signing off on the movie controlling it. From my understanding from articles that were in the Hollywood Reporter of funding the reshoots. But also then money comes back into the estate from that, so like when there's a lot of money changing hands and people are profiting off it, like that's when you always have to ask questions because then it's even though I know his family, but it's a business. The Jackson family is a business at the end of the day, more than a family. I think even they would admit to that. And Yeah, the thing that gave me the biggest pause was Paris Jackson's comments, because I was like, if anyone would really know a lot of the ins and outs of this, it's one of his children, his daughter, who was basically saying that she saw the first script, she gave all this feedback. It was ignored. There's people in the movie out there saying that she endorses it. She doesn't. But also then she says, like, if you want to go see it, go see it. Yeah, just leave me out of it. 22:32Speaker 3 But that's so true, Like see it, but see it as a movie, like a film that you just watch at the movies. Don't see it as a biography, because. 22:39Speaker 1 It's almost like it shouldn't have even been a Bypick or anything like that. It's almost like if people wanted to gather together and celebrate the music, which I understand because music is a lot of the time bigger than an artist, especially in this kind of case, like it becomes bigger than them. That it should have just been like a like a concert film. Yeah, like bring all the footage of him performing on these hits together and run it in a cinema so that people can just go in and watch these moments that they love and sing along and where the Michael Jackson themed outfits and do that. But it's almost like they wanted to really control the narrative, but then they ran to the issue whre they're like, oh, we can't actually tell his stories. We've just cut cut. 23:15Speaker 3 And there is an end credit scene that does come up on screen after the movie that says his story continues, So there could be. 23:22Speaker 1 A part two. Well apparently they are exploring a sequel, but I don't know if they can really touch anything because of the legal cases. But there it is Michael's and cinemas now, so I guess people. Yeah, people are really still seeing it. The box office is crazy and no judgment if you did go and see it. Like, I honestly do believe I heard the music's really good, really lot tis the Michael Jackson movie has good music. Good music. Yeah, so no judgment if you didn't see it. But I just think it's interesting to have this conversation and look at both sides of it. So Taylor Swift has given a long video interview to The New York Times, which has been really interesting because she's been slightly out of the limelight recently. She's taken to ground after the release of Life of a show Girl. And well, I mean a lot of that. I guess she's wedding planning, right, Oh yeah, I forgot about that. You're the person in the world sorry said that. Well, apparently the invitations have gone out and I hear get one. Yeah, I think you'll be waiting a while, damn it. But also apparently she's done that trick where, you know, help we get screeners and stuff. It has our name in the background, so if we share it, it's easily traceable back to us. She's done that, apparently the invitations. I don't know if this is true, but it's very clever and it's potentially necessary. So smile. 24:35Speaker 2 I should have done that for my thirtieth birthday. 24:37Speaker 1 You put people's in so she's put people's name in the background. It's too like jetey, like a watermark, but yeah, watermark, so if anyone shares the invitation is easily traceable. But I don't know, because that woman keeps her circle tight, like there's a lot of I believe her when she says, a lot of rumors have never come out, and those stories have never come out because her circle keeps her tight. But also how tired is Travis. He's inviting all his like the whole of the NFL, and they're all bringing like a partner, a plus one or something like that. And she was like, I cannot keep this under out. Maybe only some people got the watermarked invitations and some people to have as aside or gold water. The New York Times asking this exactly what has happened to modern journalism? So you know why they didn't ask it because this was a music interview, and that's why she a music interview. 25:22Speaker 3 They're doing like a series on like thirty of the best music writers in history. 25:26Speaker 1 So it's the thirty greatest living American songwriters. And my title was better snapping Your title was like a watercolor of what the actual title was, and obviously that's why she did it. Because that's the interesting thing about Taylor Swift whenever she does press is that she absolutely does not need to. Like a lot of celebrities, especially now like Doo need That's why these press tours have taken off for movies and albums and TV shows And they're doing stunts and they're eating hot chicken, and they're like getting blindfolded on stage and they're wearing crazy outfits. Is that like there's so much everyone's screaming, even like big movie stuff are screaming for attention for their movies. But taylor'sif is one of the rare celebrities where she doesn't need to do any promo. She did a lot of promo for Life of a Showgirl, but it was more to sort of engage with the audience in a way that she was comfortable with, Like she wanted to sort of share some stories and she was happy. She was chat about engagement. 26:18Speaker 2 And she's like friends with all of the late night hosts. 26:20Speaker 1 Yeah, and she was making bread for people and that was just a fun time. But the thing is she could have just dropped Life of a show Girl and it would have it would have done as well exactly. So that's why when she does an interview, was like, hmm, So this one was centered on songwriting and her career, and I think she thought it was a way too which again very interesting to kind of really talk about about her favorite thing, yeah, which is her process of writing songs. 26:41Speaker 2 This is probably my favorite interview she's done. 26:44Speaker 1 Oh. 26:45Speaker 3 I loved it as well, I think because artists talking about their work is just amazing. 26:49Speaker 1 I would listen to that woman just talk about her songwriting and her process and the way her mind works for hours. It's so interesting to sort of hear how she puts a lyric together, what lyrics from other songwriters she like, kind of admires and files away in her head, how she sort of sees herself, how she looks back on her songs, all those things. So there were a lot of interesting tibits in there. And obviously people have kind of raped through the interview, and all the headlines are the ones that are like anything that might be slightly scandalous or slightly like ooh, who is she talking about? Is what the headlines have come out about. And it's funny because one of the biggest headlines is about her fan habits. I know what you thought about this, but she was talking about, like, you know, her fans loving Easter eggs and hidden moments and things, and she went on to say that she sometimes finds it a little bit weird, and there are corners of her fan base that are going to take things to a really extreme place. And she went on to say there's people out there who are going to do detective work and figure out details and say who is this about? What is this about? And then she said where it gets a little weird for me is that people act like it's a sort of paternity test. They say this song's about this person, and I'm like, that dude didn't write the song. I did. I got. 28:00Speaker 3 I kind of agree with her on that. What I don't agree with her on is when she talks about how her fan base takes things to extreme places, and then she can't control that when they do do that, because I do think you can control that. 28:15Speaker 1 I do, Oh do you think she can she can control it? 28:17Speaker 3 I think she has never told her fans to like back off or to like let go of certain things. I feel like her fans are so intense about her and like the Swifties, I was like, have been so amazing for her career, and it's vice versa, Like I think it is a symbiotic relationship, like even growing. Like my first concert was a Tailor Swift concert. 28:40Speaker 1 I was like twelve when I went. 28:41Speaker 3 To Fairly Yeah, and I love Fearless so much, and like so many of the songs where she wrote when she was like twelve, thirteen, forteen, fifteen, I was like, these are songs, Like she looked in my diary and wrote these songs. 28:56Speaker 1 It's so funny. When she was talking about writing love Story and her parents wouldn't let her go on and date. She was saying this into you and she's like, but he was much older than me, so that's also fair enough. That's just good parenting. And she went in her room and wrote love Story, and I'm like, and I was like, when I went in my room to shut my door, I just cry. Yeah. I was just watching so well around YouTube, just watch a Buffy DVD. I was like, we obviously weren't being productive, No, we were just like feing years. 29:19Speaker 3 But those songs like really had an impact on me. And I can see from that age. If she were to mention or like to allude to who those songs were about before the internet even happened, where we actually had to do detective work. I can imagine me like literally having like a Tumblr page like dedicated to like supporting her and like dissing that man. 29:41Speaker 1 God, you should just do that now and like don't let your age stop. 29:43Speaker 3 Honestly I should, because like that's like it was my whole world, Like that's all I was like thinking about, and that's all I cared about. So I do see like how some fans can do that, like get into a hole and constantly like harp on about like all of these men that they think that she's writing about, And it does get to a point where I do feel sorry for some. 30:03Speaker 1 Of the guys. 30:04Speaker 3 But like she's never ever come out and said, like some other artists do, like stop harassing these people or stop thinking about that. Yeah, so I think when she says she can't control that from happening, I do think she can. 30:15Speaker 1 Yeah, potentially if she, because we've seen her kind of almost do it slightly, Like remember on the Errors tour where she said and it was like she was talking to a bunch of school kids, like you can go outside for lunch if you put your hats on. She was like, I'm gonna play Dear John, Now, don't be I'm paraphrazy. She was like, don't be weird, don't don't go. And she did say like, don't go attacking people. Don't go like try and track people down. Go, don't go saying bad things about people. She's like, this, everything's fine, We're all good. I wrote, I wrote this song. I'm proud of it, so I'm gonna play it, but please everyone be chill was the vibe because what she didn't want was this surge of online attacks with everyone like attacking John Mayer in real time after that had kind of settled down because she played that song. 30:55Speaker 3 Yeah, And it was also like when she played that song, it was like much after she wrote and put that song out. But like, obviously she is like a young woman and that she's been writing songs since she was like twelve years old, so I can imagine like writing a song, hating that man, putting it out, then getting everyone else to hate them to and how good that would feel. 31:14Speaker 1 Yeah, And there's all those soundbites of her when she you know, would do interviews, and they'd say, like, what do you think about men who like don't want to date you because you write bad things about them? And she was like, well, I just think that if men don't want me to write bad songs about them, then they shouldn't do bad things. Yeah, which is so true and also so true and so fair it is. I always think it's interesting for an artist who has built so much of her career around easter eggs, hidden messages, signs, and who actively cashes in on that to such an extent. I do think it's interesting to then be like, oh, but now it's getting a bit weird. It's like lighting a fire and being like, oh, that house burned down, but it's something to do with me. Yeah, And it's like, I know, you lit like a campfire over here, and you didn't mean for the house across the street to burn down, but it did burn down. It's still your fault. It's still your fault. 32:00Speaker 3 What I liked about that interview, though, which I think works really well for her in her career, is when she says that if something slifts, like someone upset to you or like you're going through a really hard time, make art out of it. Don't do an Instagram live. 32:14Speaker 1 Yes, which again is so true because you know what, that's what she does. She puts her money where her mouth is, Like she doesn't go on and like publicly trash people or anything like that. 32:22Speaker 3 And she could yeah, because when you do that, you're also giving away like something that you could have done instead. 32:26Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. And she was kind of like the art will always be the better option, like creating art is always the better thing. And that's so much of what she does. It's so interesting. 32:34Speaker 2 I wonder what conversation she'd have with Lena Dunham. 32:37Speaker 1 Oh, I wanted to say about so well they do. And you know what's interesting is like in Lena Dunham's new book, Famesick in the acknowledgments, like Taylor sits and then they're really close, but there's no like big stories or like anything in there about Taylor Swift, which a lot of people have pointed out is very interesting because Lena Dunham really bears her soul about her, but other people in her life that she's worked with, that she's friends with in a really in her family in a really extreme way, and then she doesn't write about Taylor Swift. 33:07Speaker 2 Yeah, do you think, And that's an agreement they have between. 33:10Speaker 1 The yeah, I do, I do. I think it is. And everyone's kind of like, oh, so you cannot write about someone who's a huge influence in your life if they're famous enough to be like, you can't do that. I'm not say that in a negative way about either of those women, but it just goes to show that, like, there's so many layers of being friends with someone who's as powerful as Taylor Swift, and that's an interesting dynamic that you have one of the most powerful talked about women in the world who everyone we just want every detail about Taylor Swift, and one of her very close friends is a writer and a creator who is known for bearing her life story and the stories of people around her, and that there's a definitive line for them that potentially she doesn't have with other people. But also she hasn't worked on a TV show with Taylor Swift. Is the other thing when people are like, oh, she just won't talk about Taylor Swift because she's sucking up to her, And I was like, I don think that's true. I think she had to write about like Adam Driver and stuff like that because she was on a TV show with them for many, many, many years, she hasn't done anything public facing like that with Taylor Swift. 34:05Speaker 3 Yeah, and also like if she did write about Taylor Swift, that'll be the one thing that everyone runs with exactly. 34:10Speaker 1 Yeah, but also that that doesn't stop her from writing other things. Yeah. The interesting thing, it's more so that there's like you just when Taylor's sis, you're afraid you just have to walk a more strict line. 34:20Speaker 2 Yeah. 34:21Speaker 1 I think because every single thing that she says or doesn't say is under a microscope, which. 34:25Speaker 3 Would have been in the like friendship agreement fine print before you become friends with her, exactly. 34:30Speaker 1 There's definitely and I mean I don't know if there's a written fine for an agreement, but potentially fast I make one. Yeah, but I think there is something that and that's what kind of seen with the whole Lively situation is that everyone's just like, well, she's broken the agreement of what they had of like not pulling each other into their public stories. And this is the thing is like one little thing of Taylor Swift just ignites this massive conversation. I also thought on the interview that was interesting was when she mentions Jack Antonoff, which there's a lot of headlines around that that Taylor Swift squashes Jack Antonoff feud, which she didn't do. She just mentioned him as a really close friend and collaborator. 35:04Speaker 2 Yeah. 35:04Speaker 1 But why it was interesting is that rumors of a few have been bubbling away because he wasn't involved in the Life of a show Girl. Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot about it. I remember that was a huge thing. Everyone's like they've fallen out. She doesn't want to work with him anymore. And then there was a whole thing where Jack Antonov's white Margaret Qualley was doing movie promo and at the end of the interview on like a live TV show, she was asked about Taylor Swift's music and like she's like, oh, new album's coming out tomorrow, Like what do you think can you tell a tvings She's like, I think everyone's excited to see it. She's like, I don't know. But also like then people like, see, there's definitely. 35:37Speaker 2 A few, but like she hates her. 35:38Speaker 1 Yeah, so it was like she's definitely a few. That's why she panicked. And I was like, I just think that she panicked because she was doing an interview at her movie and all of a sudden she was asked to like disclose information about a Taylor Swifts album, which she rightfully hadn't heard. But she didn't. 35:50Speaker 2 Squash the rumors in this interview though. 35:52Speaker 1 She just basically just spoke truth and just said that he is a longtime friend of collaborator. Well, he squashed the rumors the other day himself, because did did they go out to dinner together? No? I allow that would have been chic. No, she was out to dinner with her dad and a bunch of her friends. But I didn't see Jack and the pat pics you're looking at her da, I think he doesn't. Yeah, I thought was his name Scott Swift, Scott Swift wearing I don't think Jack Anhov leaves his home. No, No, Jack Antonov went on, I think it was Howard Stern and Howard Stone. Howard Sterne's like the one interview and that can just ask any celeb or anything and everyone's like, yeah, let me tell you about that. Yeah, he asked him, Like he's like, Oh, you've got to feel pretty bad being left off the album, and you know, being like, oh, you're just on included in this and Jack is like, no, Taylor and I really good friends, were good collaborators. He's like, you can't collaborate with the same people over and over again. He's like, I would never do that. 36:41Speaker 3 And she's also kind of said that in the interview, and she said that she loves having co writers and collaborators, but she also doesn't need them. 36:48Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly exactly, but it's just it's so interesting, and this interview is thirty minutes of this woman speaking and talking about things that she hasn't touched on as much before and like the things everyone has like really launched onto. Is like she think her fans are weird and she's not fighting with Jack cantonof with a lot of stuff in there, like I thought her even just talking about the All two World ten minute version and how the original was lost and she had to recreate it, or even talking about how like reputation is. 37:14Speaker 3 Yeah, like it became such a big album like years after Yeah, I just put out there and like all the songs that she was saying that people like slept on ready for it. 37:23Speaker 1 Yeah, I was like, oh my god, that was my favorite song on the album. Okay, I felt I always few was a bit stupid in these situations because she was like, yeah, people didn't like reputation and it kind of grew on them, but it hasn't grown as much like there's songs with people. She's basically been like, I know, you guys hate a reputation, but I love it. And I'm always on the back foot of stuff like this because I loved Reputation and it was my favorite album too, me too, And I didn't realize it was like, you know, not a thing with Swifties until the era's to a start and you know, everyone be like did you get tickets? What era are you? And I was like, oh, I guess reputation is my era because I'm like, I'm definitely gonna wear black and a red lip because's what I wear. And people are like, oh, reputation and I was like, oh, I didn't realize that was a thing. It's the same thing when everyone's like, oh, it's like how tailor swift dresses really badly and that's a known fact. And I thought she dresses badly. I thought she looks great. Oh she did for a bit, but now she looks great. Now I think she dresses badly. No, on purpose. I think she dresses badly to make herself relatable. And all the fashion girls are like, yeah's because she just dresses so badly and so on fashionably, And I'm like, from me over here, thinking she looks gress. I don't know about fashion. So we'll link the full interview in our show notes because there's a lot of interesting stuff in there. It's such a good interview. It's so wors a time. 38:29Speaker 3 She's really opinionated in this interview, which I love, Like she doesn't skirt around any answers or anything like that, Like she is really like she comes across very strongness. Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. If you love this episode, the best way you can support us is by giving us a five star rating and review wherever you're listening or watching us on whatever podcast app you're using, and don't forget we have your weekend viewing Sordid with our weekend Watch episode dropping tomorrow at six am. The Spill is produced by Manitius Warrn't Video production by Michael Keine. 39:01Speaker 1 We will see you tomorrow. Bye bye.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Erica thinks people are snobby about their workout routines and Slacker says Swifties are too snobby! It's time to snub the snob! What's a snobby thing or behavior that you hate?

In this episode, I'm joined by Olivia Levin — creator of the massively popular Swiftie platform @SwiftiesForEternity and now author of The Story of Us.What started as a Tumblr page at just 13 years old turned into a 600K+ community, real interactions with Taylor Swift, and a full-time career built from pure passion.We talk about:How fandom can shape your identity and confidenceThe real reason communities like Swifties feel so powerfulTurning something you love into a business (without burning out)The behind-the-scenes of running a viral fan platformAnd the 13 life lessons inspired by Taylor Swift that go way beyond musicThis episode isn't just about being a fan — it's about what happens when you let yourself love something fully, and how that can completely change your life.Watch on Youtube: https://youtu.be/OCakVcfBWHE

W​e're excited to wish Rachel a happy birthday on this episode, and to also welcome her back from her epic trip to England and Scotland! SHE WENT TO THE BLACK DOG! Spoiler alert: it wasn't shitty. Then Sam catches her up on all the things she missed while she was away: album announcements, new music and music videos, Taylor and Travis at awards shows, and an inspiring story of Swifties in outer space! The song of the week had us really reflecting on the power of Taylor's ability to tell a story and keep the listener engaged in the album. But certain lyrics in this song had both of us sibs really wondering what she meant. It's an epic opening track and one of the most important ones of the entire Red album. Share with us your thoughts on today's episode by sending an email to swiftandswigspodcast@gmail.com.​Leave us a written review on the Apple Podcasts app!​Follow and rate our podcast on Spotify! ​Check out our "new shit" playlist on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5LOn9LRJ8lnvnCbpl6fKVG?si=68ca3032d3aa470b⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Welcome to the first installment of our new series titled “Swiftie Sessions,” where we chat with other Swifties to hear about what brought them to the fandom and what Swift-related things resonate with them most. First up is Sara's friend Stef, who is a newer Swiftie. They chat about Stef's Swiftie origin story, her favorite songs and albums, the importance of YOYOK, honest thoughts on The Life of a Showgirl, misconceptions about Taylor, some of Stef's favorite lyrics from “peace,” hopes for TS13 and some other fun stuff. We hope you enjoy these conversations as we fill in some time while Laura's on maternity leave from the podcast.Chapters(0:00) Intro and welcome (6:11) Stef's Swiftie origin story (23:36) Stef's favorite album and songs, etc. (27:55) The song uniquely personal to Stef (31:04) Honest thoughts about Showgirl (36:12) Misconceptions about Taylor (45:03) An underrated Taylor song to defend (48:47) Adding to the Eras Tour setlist (49:38) Stef's “10-minute version” request (50:38) Zooming in on “peace” (59:56) Hopes for TS13 (1:05:14) An artist recommendation (1:09:39) Signing offSUPPORT US ON PATREON! Show us some love and get monthly bonus episodes and first dibs on upcoming episode ideas. We'd be enchanted to have you join our Swiftie community!Links ReferencedSara's food blog“Swiftle” song-guessing game“Wildest Dreams” at the Grammy MuseumMaggie Antone on SpotifyPlease make sure to subscribe and leave a review. If you'd like to reach out to send in a question or comment, please do so via any of these platforms:email blankplatepod@gmail.comleave a voicemail at (717) 382-831Patreon (get bonus episodes and first dibs on episode ideas)YouTubeInstagramTikTokYou can also follow Sara and Laura individually:• Laura: Instagram and Tiktok• Sara: InstagramListen to our previous podcast: Passports & Pizza

Spoiler alert! This week on Sibling Watchery, Bob and Monét recap the RuPaul's Drag Race Season 18 Grand Finale. They welcome a new queen into the winner's circle, react to RuPaul's live performance, and break down the finale looks. They question whether nods to culture have become a strategy, track Briar's padding evolution, and Bob shares tips for cleaning pads. They call out the best look of the season, sound off on designer recreations, and have strong opinions on Darlene's approach to fashion. They also weigh Nini's standout performance, whether the crown is won in the finale or over the whole season, and if reveals get in the way of lip syncs. Plus, Bob has a message for Swifties and the Beyhive. Thanks to our sponsors: Our listeners can buy one prescription pair and get 20% off additional pairs at ⁠WarbyParker.com/RIVALRY⁠ — and using our link helps support the show. #WarbyParker #ad If you're struggling with OCD or unrelenting intrusive thoughts, NOCD can help. Book a free 15 minute call to get started: ⁠https://learn.nocd.com/rivalry⁠  Take the first step. Visit ⁠WaldenU.edu⁠. Book your next stay with Airbnb! Want to see exclusive Sibling Rivalry Bonus Content? Head over to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.patreon.com/siblingrivalrypodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to be the first to see our latest Sibling Rivalry Podcast Videos! @BobTheDragQueen @MonetXChange Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠megaphone.fm/adchoices⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Swiftie influencer Olivia Levin ( @SwiftiesforEternity) joins us to share her journey from lifelong fan to published author of The Story of Us—a love letter to the Taylor Swift fandom. Olivia reveals how Taylor Swift shaped her life, career, and identity, from discovering her music at a young age to attending Secret Sessions and experiencing The Eras Tour firsthand. She shares behind-the-scenes stories, emotional fan moments, and what it means to grow up alongside Taylor in one of the most powerful fandoms in the world. We dive into: Meeting Taylor Swift and what that moment was really like The impact of The Eras Tour on fans and Olivia's life How she turned Swiftie passion into a full-time career Writing The Story of Us and capturing fandom history The evolution of the Swiftie community from Tumblr to today Favorite albums, music videos, and Taylor Swift eras What's next for Taylor Swift (Taylor's Version, TS13, and beyond) This episode is for every Swiftie who has ever felt seen, understood, and transformed by Taylor's music… and isn't that all of us?

Swiftie influencer Olivia Levin ( @SwiftiesforEternity) joins us to share her journey from lifelong fan to published author of The Story of Us—a love letter to the Taylor Swift fandom. Olivia reveals how Taylor Swift shaped her life, career, and identity, from discovering her music at a young age to attending Secret Sessions and experiencing The Eras Tour firsthand. She shares behind-the-scenes stories, emotional fan moments, and what it means to grow up alongside Taylor in one of the most powerful fandoms in the world. We dive into: Meeting Taylor Swift and what that moment was really like The impact of The Eras Tour on fans and Olivia's life How she turned Swiftie passion into a full-time career Writing The Story of Us and capturing fandom history The evolution of the Swiftie community from Tumblr to today Favorite albums, music videos, and Taylor Swift eras What's next for Taylor Swift (Taylor's Version, TS13, and beyond) This episode is for every Swiftie who has ever felt seen, understood, and transformed by Taylor's music… and isn't that all of us?

We cannot wait to share today's episode with you as it has been a long time coming! Olivia Levin has been on the top of our interview dream list for as long as we have been hosting this podcast. Today we finally got to sit down with her and chat all about how she became a swiftie, how she got started running the biggest swift account on the internet (swiftiesforeternity), meeting Taylor Swift, writing the ultimate Taylor Swift fan book (The Story of Us), and more. This is an episode you won't want to miss!Follow Olivia (swiftiesforeternity) Here // https://www.instagram.com/swiftiesforeternity/Buy Olivia's Book “The Story Of Us” Here // https://amzn.to/3NX29OXSPONSORS:Dime Beauty Co (TYPICALTUESDAYNIGHT for 20% off) // https://go.shopmy.us/p-22911520Walli Cases (TTN for 10% off) // https://wallicases.com/?rstr=ttnSwifties || Taylor Swift Podcast || Olivia Levin || Swifties For Eternity || Taylor Swift Influencer || The Story of Us Olivia Levin || Meeting Taylor Swift || Biggest Taylor Swift Fan  Send us Fan MailSupport the showFollow along to hear a new Taylor Swift related episode every single Tuesday.Watch our episodes on YouTube!Follow Us On Social Media:Typical Tuesday Night Podcast @typicaltuesdaynight.podcastKarli @everyday_ellisJess @jess.taitJoin our Patreon for bonus episodes and exclusive Taylor Swift group chat!Shop Our Merch!Feel free to contact us at typicaltuesdaynightpodcast@gmail.com

Beyond ecstatic to welcome the queen of all Swifties, Olivia Levin! You may know her from her iconic Taylor Swift fan account, swiftiesforeternity—and now, she's stepping into a whole new era as an author.Her debut is a true love letter: to the fandom, to the Swiftie community, and of course, to the queen herself, Taylor Swift. Olivia is uniquely qualified to tell this story—an early fan who's been there since the very beginning, witnessing firsthand the meteoric rise and cultural force Taylor has become.As someone who joined the fandom a little later, I can confidently say: I get it. And Olivia captures that magic perfectly.In our conversation, we dive into the early days of Instagram, how she first discovered Taylor, and the journey that ultimately changed her life. She shares stories of meeting fellow Swifties, reflects on that ultra-famous podcast moment, and even teases her thoughts on the upcoming nuptials.It's a conversation I could have stayed in for hours because talking Taylor Swift with Olivia is just that fun.Whether you're a lifelong fan, newly enchanted, or just Swiftie-curious and ready to dip into the glittery pond, this book is absolutely for you. ✨

This episode is a full love letter to Taylor Swift—and the Swifties who grew up with her. We're joined by Olivia Levin (@swiftiesforeternity), author of "The Story of Us," to dive deep into the magic behind the fandom that shaped a generation. From decoding Easter eggs to what it's surprisingly like meeting Taylor, Olivia shares the behind-the-scenes of her new book and the community that inspired it. We swap Taylor stories and memories... reflect on iconic dates, eras and moments and share predictions about TS13. We get into everything: ✨ The most iconic Taylor Swift bridges ✨ The saddest songs and favorite albums ✨ The Travis Kelce era and what it means for Taylor's story -- we can't wait for her wedding photos! ✨ Wild fan theories and predictions ✨ The bond between moms and daughters through Taylor's musicPlus—why Taylor feels like the “ultimate mother” to so many women and how her music continues to evolve with us through every stage of life.Whether you're a lifelong Swiftie or raising one, this episode is pure joy, candid conversation, magic, nostalgia, and joy.#Swifties #TaylorSwift #TheStoryOfUs See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Breaking: Ryan Seacrest is spotting with a guy named Dodd, riding a bike(?) on Easter! (Are we the only ones reporting this? Likely!) Joseph Baena is following in his famous dad's footsteps by winning a bunch of bodybuilding championships, Zara Larsson is beefing with the Swifties, Mr. Feeny is 99 (and won't be speaking to TMZ about it!) Plus, KATSEYE might have lost a member :( Esquire (Singapore) is publishing AI interviews :( and Meghan Markle is not feuding with her former co-star... Stop trying to make her feud!!! She's fine!!! Plus, Lindsey wrote a "Hilary Duff Press Tour Game" for Bobby (to his dismay) and Rita Ora is playing Cork. Ireland. Thats right! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

T. Kyle and Brad discuss what in the clown is going on this week, including Rapunzel and Olaf going through it at Disney, Summer House's Amanda and West, Jen Shah's first sit-down, t-ts out with John Summit and Kristi Noem's husband's alleged bimbofication fetish, High Fashion Editorial! featuring pink shorts and a sequin top discourse, lilsimsie and Olivia Rodrigo's 'you seem pretty sad for a girl so in love,' Francois Arnaud for Man About Town, After for Gap, Nicole Scherzinger for Vogue, Manon maybe leaving KATSEYE, Mel B confirming no Spice Girls reunion, Zara Larsson coming for Swifties for 'Guardian,' Coachella billboards, Addison Rae teasing a new era, Kylie Minogue for AFL, new music from Rochelle Jordan, Anne Hathaway as Mother Mary and Bebe Rexha's "Hysteria." Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Swifties, this music video is packed with nostalgia, metaphors, and lots of theories! We're diving deep into Taylor Swift's Opalite music video—breaking down every theory, Easter egg, and hidden message you need to know. From the 90s aesthetic to the symbolic relationships (rock vs. cactus ), we explore how Taylor uses humor and nostalgia to tell a much deeper story about toxic love, self-blame, and finding the right person. In this episode, we discuss: The Opalite meaning + “man-made happiness” concept Travis Kelce connections (including the 8/26 theory) Callbacks to Anti-Hero, You're Losing Me, and many other songs The red string theory vs. invisible string parallels Hidden clues pointing to future projects Nothing in this video is random—and we're connecting all the dots. What did we miss? What else would you like to hear from us? There are lots of ways to reach us!  Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive  Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email:  the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Swifties, this music video is packed with nostalgia, metaphors, and lots of theories! We're diving deep into Taylor Swift's Opalite music video—breaking down every theory, Easter egg, and hidden message you need to know. From the 90s aesthetic to the symbolic relationships (rock vs. cactus ), we explore how Taylor uses humor and nostalgia to tell a much deeper story about toxic love, self-blame, and finding the right person. In this episode, we discuss: The Opalite meaning + “man-made happiness” concept Travis Kelce connections (including the 8/26 theory) Callbacks to Anti-Hero, You're Losing Me, and many other songs The red string theory vs. invisible string parallels Hidden clues pointing to future projects Nothing in this video is random—and we're connecting all the dots. What did we miss? What else would you like to hear from us? There are lots of ways to reach us!  Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive  Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email:  the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

INTRO (00:24): Kathleen opens the show drinking a Fantasy Factory IPA from Karben4 Brewing in Madison, WI. She reviews her weekend in Vegas with her bff Ron White, playing golf and gambling with friends.     TOUR NEWS: See Kathleen live on her “Day Drinking Tour.”   TASTING MENU (2:50): Kathleen samples Cheeto's Sweet Southern Heat Flavor Swap rods, and Crunchmaster Multi-Seed Queso Crackers.    COURT NEWS (20:33): Kathleen shares news about Martha Stewart's restaurant “The Bedford” opening at Foxwoods Casino, Dolly Parton attends the opening of Dollywood, “Swifties” is now listed as an official word in the Dictionary thanks to the Taylor Swift movement, and Cher's son gets married.    UPDATES (23:33) : Kathleen shares updates on the sheriff in the Nancy Guthrie case, and Meghan Markle charges $2,700 for her 3-day retreat in Australia.   FRONT PAGE PUB NEWS (44:58): Kathleen shares articles on the doomsday fish washing up on Mexican beaches, there have been 8 bigfoot sightings in 4 days in Ohio, Southwest is dropping service to Dulles and O'Hare airports, Dollar Tree is attempting to upgrade their client base, giant pandas are no longer extinct, 2 men face charges after breaking a woolly mammoth tusk in Branson, a judge issues a stern warning for a tourist accused of stealing a flamingo in Vegas, a 30-foot Doomsday fish found in Texas, Target is making 4 big changes to engage customers, McDonald's Canada launches breakfast poutine, and Bigfoot sightings are on the rise in Ohio.   HOLY SHIT THEY FOUND IT (35:05): Kathleen reads about the discovery of artist Banksy's true identity, and Scottish wild cats have been discovered again in the Highlands.    WHAT ARE WE WATCHING (1:17:24): Kathleen recommends watching “Love Story” on FX, and “Scarpetta” on Prime Video.    SAINT OF THE WEEK (1:28:26): Kathleen shares Sister Mary Jo's uplifting Instagram posts, and reads about St. Brigit of Kildare – patron saint of dairymaids, cattle, midwives, Irish nuns, and newborns.     FEEL GOOD STORY (1:27:05): Kathleen shares a story about hidden detail on a mysterious 500-year-old imprint of Virgin Mary in Mexico City.   

Vinyl sales are up thanks to the Swifties, James Hetfield gets engaged in a total metal way, Jenny's number now goes somewhere, Lizzo writes a children's book, and self driving semis are coming.

What are the most underrated Taylor Swift songs in her entire discography? In this episode of 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, Ana and Nick dive album-by-album to pick the most overlooked song from every Taylor Swift era — from debut through The Life of a Showgirl. Using a mix of Spotify streaming data, Swiftie intuition, and personal favorites, they debate which songs deserve way more love from fans and the general public. Along the way, they discuss the beautiful gems like Stay Beautiful, The Best Day, Haunted, Holy Ground, This Love, Dancing With Our Hands Tied, I Think He Knows, Peace, Cowboy Like Me, Question…?, Dear Reader, and more. Some picks come from pure vibes, while others are backed by hard streaming numbers — and a few results are honestly shocking. They also explore: Why some Taylor Swift tracks become fan favorites years later Songs that Swifties love but the casual listener may have missed The storytelling brilliance behind underrated tracks like Peace and Cowboy Like Me Whether streaming numbers actually reflect what fans truly love And why The Tortured Poets Department might have more hidden gems than any album yet Plus: thoughts on potential Debut (Taylor's Version) timing, why reputation ages like fine wine, and the surprisingly stacked lineup of Taylor's track twos. Whether you're a longtime Swiftie or just exploring Taylor Swift's catalog, this episode will definitely send you back to the playlists to rediscover some incredible songs you may have overlooked. So pause the episode, make your own list, and let us know: What's the most underrated Taylor Swift song on each album?  Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email: the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What are the most underrated Taylor Swift songs in her entire discography? In this episode of 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, Ana and Nick dive album-by-album to pick the most overlooked song from every Taylor Swift era — from debut through The Life of a Showgirl. Using a mix of Spotify streaming data, Swiftie intuition, and personal favorites, they debate which songs deserve way more love from fans and the general public. Along the way, they discuss the beautiful gems like Stay Beautiful, The Best Day, Haunted, Holy Ground, This Love, Dancing With Our Hands Tied, I Think He Knows, Peace, Cowboy Like Me, Question…?, Dear Reader, and more. Some picks come from pure vibes, while others are backed by hard streaming numbers — and a few results are honestly shocking. They also explore: Why some Taylor Swift tracks become fan favorites years later Songs that Swifties love but the casual listener may have missed The storytelling brilliance behind underrated tracks like Peace and Cowboy Like Me Whether streaming numbers actually reflect what fans truly love And why The Tortured Poets Department might have more hidden gems than any album yet Plus: thoughts on potential Debut (Taylor's Version) timing, why reputation ages like fine wine, and the surprisingly stacked lineup of Taylor's track twos. Whether you're a longtime Swiftie or just exploring Taylor Swift's catalog, this episode will definitely send you back to the playlists to rediscover some incredible songs you may have overlooked. So pause the episode, make your own list, and let us know: What's the most underrated Taylor Swift song on each album?  Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email: the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In the age of social media and wellness trends, the comments section is as good as a cult compound, says linguist and cultural commentator Amanda Montell. Using Taylor Swift's throng of devoted Swifties as her guide, she exposes three sneaky language tactics that cults use to influence us (for better or for worse), revealing why none of us are as cult-proof as we'd like to think.(Following the talk, Elise Hu, host of TED Talks Daily, interviews Montell on parasocial relationships and how to have productive conversations with cult members by recognizing their humanity.)Learn more about our flagship conference happening this April at attend.ted.com/podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Timothée Chalamet vs Opera and Ballet, Dak Prescott breakup theories, Liza Minnelli is out of it, Richie Sambora needs help, Jack White attack by Swifties, Alexander brothers guilty of rape, and Teen Takeovers. Rock & Brews is getting ready to open up in Royal Oak. Check out their upcoming concerts. Nino Brown Sports breaks down the separation of Dak Prescott and Sarah Jane Ramos. The NY Post has their own theory. Timothée Chalamet hates ballet and opera. He correctly calls them dying arts. Some people are cracking down on him, but Drew believes it's an Oscar smear campaign. Marc really wants the rest of the show to watch War Machine. Liza Minnelli looks great on her book tour. Totally lucid too. Music: Jack White popped off on the Taylor Swift method. Gene Simmons is sick and tired of celebrities lecturing the public. Jello Biafra of the Dead Kennedys suffered a stroke. Long-lost George Michael film and album are set to be released. “Daryl Hall needs to retire.” We check out Richie Sambora on The Magnificent Others with Billy Corgan. The girl who shot up Rihanna's house is crazy. Rihanna has a five-head. Clavicular (Braden Peters) is the king of looksmaxxing. Gen Z men want submissive women. The creepy Alexander brothers have been found GUILTY of sex trafficking and rape. Criss Angel is being sued by an audience member who just wanted to text his mom. The Red Wings' Dylan Larkin is hurt. Love Story remains a must-watch. JFK Jr. once saved Daryl Hannah from Jackson Browne… and then nailed her. ‘Teen Takeovers' are running amok. Murderer Chris Watts was over the moon for Nichol Kessinger and her smoking hot body. Drew is upset with the loss of the penny and the practice of 'rounding-up'. Britney Spears' mugshot is too important for you to see. She is still fuming at her father. NYC IEDs: NYPD Chief Aaron Edwards has entered meme-level fame. The perpetrators are incredibly young. Jeffrey Epstein's ranch is FINALLY searched. Slow down. Jim's Picks will be bright tomorrow. Merch is still available. Buy it before it's gone. If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Channel, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (Drew Lane, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon)

Swifties know that track 2 on a Taylor Swift album is never random. In this episode of 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, Lacey, Ana, and Amy take on the impossible challenge of ranking every Track 2 from Taylor Swift's discography. From early fan-favorite “Picture to Burn” to iconic bopz like “Blank Space,” “Cruel Summer,” and “Cardigan,” the lineup is stacked with some of Taylor's most unforgettable songs. The conversation quickly turns a little judgemental as the hosts debate lyricism, nostalgia, Eras Tour moments, storytelling, and production while trying to decide which track deserves the top spot. Along the way, the 13 Podcast dives into: • Why Track 2 placements are intentional in Taylor's albums• The surprising connections between songs like “Red” and “Maroon”• How The Eras Tour changed the way fans experience songs like Cruel Summer and champagne problems• Which songs spark the most Swiftie nostalgia from Taylor's early eras  With songs from every era — Debut, Fearless, Speak Now, Red, 1989, Reputation, Lover, folklore, evermore, Midnights, The Tortured Poets Department, and The Life of a Showgirl — the hosts attempt to settle one of the biggest Swiftie debates. Listen in and tell us: Which Taylor Swift Track 2 would YOU rank #1?  Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive  Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email:  the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Swifties know that track 2 on a Taylor Swift album is never random. In this episode of 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, Lacey, Ana, and Amy take on the impossible challenge of ranking every Track 2 from Taylor Swift's discography. From early fan-favorite “Picture to Burn” to iconic bopz like “Blank Space,” “Cruel Summer,” and “Cardigan,” the lineup is stacked with some of Taylor's most unforgettable songs. The conversation quickly turns a little judgemental as the hosts debate lyricism, nostalgia, Eras Tour moments, storytelling, and production while trying to decide which track deserves the top spot. Along the way, the 13 Podcast dives into: • Why Track 2 placements are intentional in Taylor's albums• The surprising connections between songs like “Red” and “Maroon”• How The Eras Tour changed the way fans experience songs like Cruel Summer and champagne problems• Which songs spark the most Swiftie nostalgia from Taylor's early eras  With songs from every era — Debut, Fearless, Speak Now, Red, 1989, Reputation, Lover, folklore, evermore, Midnights, The Tortured Poets Department, and The Life of a Showgirl — the hosts attempt to settle one of the biggest Swiftie debates. Listen in and tell us: Which Taylor Swift Track 2 would YOU rank #1?  Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive  Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email:  the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.