That Jesus Podcast

Dru and Francis are back to kick off 2025 with a review of the news, a bit of a Bible study, and the lofi banter you didn't know you missed in 2024. Despite the snark, we really care about this project, and are excited to get back on air! Let us know what you think, and share ideas for topics, guests, and musical cues.

What are the evangelical messages around sex, desire, spirituality, and beauty actually doing to us and our children? Sheila Wray Gregoire shares research on this question, and offers healthy, Jesus-centered alternatives. We also hash out social media conversations, celebrity, and much more.  Find more from Rebekah at The Kingdom Outpost. Her article on Twitter and celebrity theologians is on Medium: https://medium.com/@rebekahmui/obfusticating-christian-language-shaunti-preston-and-the-twitter-mob-c76088ef9814 Sheila's website is baremarriage.com. Many of Sheila's books can be found on Scribd  - it's a better-than-Audible audiobook and ebook platform. Use my referral link to get two free months: scribd.com/g/9oj0ch --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thatjesuspodcast/message

Once again, we dive into Judges, and think about how the mighty Gideon fell from faith to cowardly idolatry. But first: a recap of what we've been reading lately, and corny poems for spring.  I mentioned Scribd at the top of the episode - it's a better-than-Audible audiobook and ebook platform. Use my referral link to get two free months: scribd.com/g/9oj0ch --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thatjesuspodcast/message

This week, I drag @WalterRothbard off Twitter and into a wide-ranging conversation on political theory, marriage, and anger. David (real last name not disclosed) has an amazing testimony of the transforming power of Christ's peace over anger. We get into some turbulent waters as we consider critiques against an author that David has benefited from and conclude with some practical advice about overcoming anger. What did you think of the episode? Who would you like to hear from in the future? Does David's endorsement of Willard Harley ring true, or cause concern? Share your thoughts with audio on WhatsApp: 218.353.1725 --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thatjesuspodcast/message

Lisl and I are excited to kick off a new season (era? reboot?) of That Jesus Podcast! After the usual navel-gazing, we pick up with the book of Judges, exploring the rise of Gideon. Does God want us to demand signs before we act? Is cowardice a sin? Did Gideon make noise with a ram's horn or with a trumpet? Tune in to find out. You can catch up on our previous studies on Judges on this feed - episodes 93 and 94. Share your questions and ideas on WhatsApp: 218.353.1725 --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thatjesuspodcast/message

What is liturgy? Are written prayers a form of “vain repetition” or a tool to avoid that rut? An Anglican pastor joins Dru to discuss this and more, along with friend-of-the-pod Kimberly Witmer! Check out Dave's church: www.cotcboston.org A great resource for the Daily Office on phone or computer: www.dailyoffice2019.com Reach out on WhatsApp: 1.218.353.1725 Latest Patreon post: patreon.com/posts/outtakes-last-75969773 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

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Tis the season for pumpkin spice and, err, spicy interviews? Sheila Wray Gregoire joined us to rescue sex from the unbiblical errors that often permeate Christian messages. Whether married or single, this conversation provides helpful insight into God's design for sexuality, along with practical pointers for growing in intimacy. Check out Sheila's resources at baremarriage.com. Reach out to us on WhatsApp or text at 218.353.1725 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

David Carlson joins us again, this time sharing his journey in memorizing Scripture as a spiritual discipline. But first, The Cohost dreams about Dru and we discuss the ethics of AirSoft rifles. Tune in after the end for a few minutes of liturgy with David, from the book of Genesis. Resources mentioned in this episode: https://www.amazon.com/His-Word-Heart-Memorizing-Scripture/dp/0802409644 writhyn.github.io/memory Follow David on Twitter @TheBibleInVerse --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

It's episode 100 folks! The cohosts begin by discussing eternal conscious torment since it's just that time of the year. Then, Dr. Barbara L. Peacock joined us to talk about spiritual formation and soul care from a historic African American perspective. Dr. Peacock's ministry: https://www.barbaralpeacock.com Dr. Peacock's school: https://www.peacocksoulcare.com --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

We are back with Season Five! In this episode, we talked about an article that was recently published in the Kingdom Outpost by one of the hosts on the pursuit of pleasure in Christ. Paradoxically, discipline may be the path to spiritual euphoria. Link to the article: https://kingdomoutpost.org/sacred-euphoria --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

We are wrapping up Season 4 and looking forward to the next chapter of the podcast! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

Styles of parenting have a way of stirring up conflict like few other things. Perhaps that's because parenting is so real. We've all been parented - for better or worse - and many of us are parents. Most of us will be - again, for better or worse. In today's episode, we have Patricia Lewis on to share about an alternative to the traditional fundamentalist spanking-centered approach. Patricia is a mom herself, with training as a foster parent and as a special ed teacher. Titus is a parent of three children, three and under. It gets real and practical. Check out Dru's latest on Patreon, about whether we should burn books or not: https://www.patreon.com/posts/theology-books-f-70107252 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

This episode was worth the wait: Dru talks with David Carlson, who recently achieved “Twitter virality” for his parody of what he calls “patriarchal theobros.” But that conversation is just the warm-up. Dru and David talk theological formation, devotional life, and how creativity can draw us to God. That's not all, folks: Before we get to David, Titus and Dru do some Monday-morning quarterbacking on Titus's recent debate on non-violence. You can find Titus's debate in our podcast feed (ep 95). David Carlson is on Twitter @theBibleinVerse. His website with more creativity is davidecarlson.net The Christianity Today article on justice and worship songs can be found here: christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/september-web-only/rhodes-ccli-top-25-worship-songs-singing-justice-songs.html --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

Titus was invited onto Clubhouse for a debate on Christian pacifism. Enjoy! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

We're back with another look at Judges - this time, we explore four judges from chapters 3-5. Why does God keep testing Israel? Was Barack a judge, a coward, or just a guy that God used? And what is the ACTUAL melody for the children's song with Shamgar in it? Join the conversation by texting or sending a voice message on WhatsApp. Dru's number is 218.353.1725. You can also leave a comment on our Facebook page: facebook.com/thatjesuspod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

What kind of Apocalypse do you believe in? Are you premil, amil, preterist, or just a panmillenialist? Our guest explains why most eschatology systems miss the point of John's revelation. It's really good stuff. Before the good stuff though, Titus and Dru talk about prayer retreats and longform prayer. Dru rants about panmillenialism and forgets the name of Jeremy Duncan - our esteemed guest. Check out Jeremy's book, UPSIDE-DOWN APOCALYPSE, here: amazon.com/Upside-Down-Apocalypse-Grounding-Revelation-Gospel/dp/1513810391 We have an extended segment with Jeremy on Patreon. Check it out: patreon.com/posts/marvel-movies-68167111 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

Dru and Lisl begin a study in the Old Testament book of Joshua. It's a bit different from our usual fare, but quite possibly worth a listen! They discuss genocide, the sovereignty of God, and how fast a person could run without their big toes. Join the conversation by texting or sending a voice message on WhatsApp. Dru's number is 218.353.1725. You can also leave a comment on our Facebook page: facebook.com/thatjesuspod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

This week, we (sorta?) field questions from our audience, except those that Titus doesn't like. Dru edits out the stuff that is especially egregious - so what's left? The cult of domesticity, Hutterites, small businesses, and a bit on the end of Acts. If you listen very closely, you might just hear a cry for help. Reach out on FB at: facebook.com/thatjesuspod. Or even message/WhatsApp Dru's burner phone at 218.353.1725 Check out the latest on Patreon: patreon.com/posts/outtakes-gun-in-67703471 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

Without Titus around, Dru manages to ramble through a conversation with a couple Midwesterners: Packy Sporre and Tim Lattin talk about their experiences with the Mennonite church and community, before diving into an ill-fated discussion on gun control. Like all our episodes, this is a conversation, and there's more to be said. Let us know what you think about this episode, and check out outtakes from this convo on our Patreon. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

Alright, this one is intense. Dr. Baxter is an intellectual mystic (not a contradiction of terms) who joined us to for an extremely packed interview about Christian mysticism (also not a contradiction of terms). Just give it a shot. Jason's work: https://www.jasonmbaxter.com --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

Into the yawning void caused by a lack of guys yammering about abortion on podcasts, Dru and Titus nobly step into the gap. Listen in for confessions of childhood dream jobs, the perfect wedding, and some heartfelt reflection on how Jesus people should respond to restrictions on abortion. Dru also rants about stare decisis and flat Bibles. We warmly welcome your contribution to That Jesus Podcast. Send us a message on Spotify or Anchor, or reach out on Facebook or WhatsApp. Check out The Mom Community for one place to actively support moms and their babies. momcommunity.org --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

It's Episode 87 of That Jesus Podcast and we finally got around to talking about Jesus! In this edition of the show, Titus struggles to describe some misgivings he has about how much Christians talk a lot about issues relating to Jesus and his church but often seem to miss centering on Jesus himself.  --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

Is social media the greatest tool for evangelism since Pentecost? Is it shallow noise that makes us feel good about being connected without making a difference? Or, in the words of Titus, is social media the devil? Joash Thomas knows a thing or two about social media and he joins Dru to answer this question once and for ALL. Or, at least share some deep yet practical insight on the topic.  Don't miss the webinar on the same topic, featuring Joash, Beth Moore, and Karen Swallow Prior centreforpublicspeaking.typeform.com/EngageGrace Learn more about Joash's work with International Justice Mission here: ijm.ca/team/joash-thomas Check out the video version of this interview, hosted by The Kingdom Outpost: youtu.be/_H0rTTfLXnI  --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

Titus is back from his trip and has some harrowing stories to tell. God was teaching him and the rest of the team how to trust in the Father and that things are not actually in our control. Dru and Titus went on to discuss some common objections to disciple-making in unreached nations and how to go about this work in a healthy, productive way. Titus' article about why Protestants aren't unreached: https://kingdomoutpost.org/why-the-christians-you-disagreed-with-arent-the-unreached/ Support us! https://www.patreon.com/Thatjesuspodcast --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

How should Christians view authority and leadership in the church? How do we faithfully navigate the complexities of power structures?   Responding to the heartbreaking reality of abuse of power in the church, Jon Carlson, pastor of Forest Hills Mennonite Church and Moderator-Elect of Mennonite Church USA, joins Dru and Rebekah for a discussion drawing from Scripture, ministry experiences, Anabaptist history, and nonviolent theology. Check out bonus segments and regular updates here: patreon.com/Thatjesuspodcast More writing, podcasts, and resources available at kingdomoutpost.org --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

With Titus recovering from his trip to India, the Midwesterners took over this episode to talk about entertainment, evil, and the power of story. Let us know what you think by reaching out on Facebook, WhatsApp, or on our Anchor page - we'd love to hear from you. Find bonus segments at our Patreon: patreon.com/Thatjesuspodcast --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

Our very own Reverend Dru Lattin has become widely known for his propensity toward nuance. In order to set him straight, we invited Emily Smucker to share her thoughts about the famous Mennonite ditch analogy. Why do we always think we are in the middle of the road and everyone else is in the ditch? Is moderation and balance a Christian virtue? Tune in to hear centrism challenged and Titus' lack of teetotalism exposed. Emily's work: https://www.patreon.com/search?q=Emily+smucker Support That Jesus Podcast: https://www.patreon.com/Thatjesuspodcast --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

Rebekah Mui helped us interview Dr. Drew G. I. Hart, an activist, author, and professor, about critical race theory (CRT). Is CRT simply Marxist propaganda? Is it contrary to the Gospel and a Christian worldview? Tune in to hear Dr. Hart offer an informed historic perspective and tie in the importance of working to see justice for the marginalized. Dr. Hart's work: https://drewgihart.com Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Thatjesuspodcast --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

We are back with Season 4 of That Jesus Podcast! Dru & Titus catch up a bit and discuss their devotional lives and current ministry opportunities. Then, Austin Lapp joins Titus to discuss how followers of King Jesus are formed into the image of their King. SPOILER: it involves not staring at your phone so much (like you are doing right now). Austin sketched his complicated relationship to the spiritual disciplines and presented a compelling vision for discipleship.  Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Thatjesuspodcast Contact Austin: austinlapp92@gmail.com --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatjesuspodcast/message

We look back at a few of our favorite episodes from Season Three, and share about our plans going forward. Titus again brings up his snoring bulldogs and Dru manages to sneak the word "epistemology" into a Christmas rant - twice. Vintage TJP. Don't forget to fill out our Listener Survey: forms.gle/sQagkHjkw57eNcc26

It looks like Roe v Wade might get overturned next year thanks to Trump's Supreme Court nominations! Was Titus wrong all along for opposing white evangelicals' support of the Donald? Tune in to hear this and more current events discussed like the trial of Arbery's killers and the saga of a contested Confederate battle flag. Then, we discussed how important humility is in the life of a devoted disciple of Jesus.

Kimberly Kirtz, from Sattler College, joins Dru and Patrick to discuss all things college: Who should go? Are universities dens of wickedness? What about debt? And is Sattler the best option for everyone ever?  More about Sattler College here: sattlercollege.org

Justice is such an important part of the restoration of God's rule on earth. Today we are featuring a conversation that Rebekah Mui hosted over at the Kingdom Outpost. The three guests were our very own Titus Kuepfer, Derek Kreider of the Fourth Way Podcast, and Joash Thomas, who is Canada's national director for the International Justice Mission, the largest anti-slavery organization in the world. They talked about the tension faced when nonviolent Christians are faced with situations involving extreme oppression and abuse. Do we cooperate with the sword of the state in these cases? Joash shares from his wisdom and experiences fighting injustice around the world in this rich conversation. By the way, Titus had to leave half way through the podcast. It's not like Rebekah muted him to avoid further nonsense spewing forth. Stop assuming the worst. Watch the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1zXVPQy1c4&feature=youtu.be International Justice Mission: https://www.ijm.org Support That Jesus Podcast on Patreon: https://patreon.com/thatjesuspodcast

Mennopolls is at it again, showing some of the dark underside of the conservative Anabaptism world. 10% of conservative Anabaptists seem to be okay with using the n-word to refer to black people. Titus rants about this despicable reality and a very white Dru adds his privileged perspective. Then, Titus makes a case for baptismal regeneration and Dru pushes back with his signature druance. Also discussed are the proper age and mode of baptism. Thanks to our listeners who submitted questions for this episode! Support That Jesus Podcast on Patreon: https://patreon.com/thatjesuspodcast

Dru and Titus discuss their experiences with observing the Lord's Table and tackle some practical questions about how we celebrate. But first, Titus entraps Dru into talking about CRT and racism and Dru admits he is white. Also, Dru admits he is white. We'd LOVE your feedback on this topic, or anything else! Reach out on our Facebook with @thatjesuspod.

After catching up on the latest news about hundred-year-old Nazis, hundred-year-old priests, and 500 year old boats, we discuss Halloween and eating blood. Then, at 33:45, Dru talks ESL ministry with Sam, a veteran instructor passionate about using English teaching as a tool to fulfill the Great Commission.  Asia's Center for TESOL: actesol.com Reach out to Dru with any questions about TESOL - he'd be happy to help! https://www.patreon.com/Thatjesuspodcast?fan_landing=true

Anthony Witmer, a friend from Titus' church, joined us to talk about the kidnapping of CAM workers in Haiti and the implications of using the term missionary to describe kingdom work overseas. Then we interviewed Gary Miller about his latest book: Reaching America. Gary described why it seems so hard to reach Americans with the Gospel in the 21st century and shared a few tips on how to overcome those barriers. Reaching America: https://tgsinternational.com/product/reaching-america/ Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Thatjesuspodcast

Abram Martin joins us to report on his experience at the Revoice Conference. While Abram passionately shares about discipleship and diversity in the church, Dru and Titus try to distract him with apostrophes, John MacArthur slams, and snoring bulldogs.  Some resources from Abram:  What comes after the Ex-Gay Movement?   Gay vs. Same Sex Attraction You can also reach out to Abram at  abrammartintx@gmail.com.  Thanks to Hannah Lehigh for the featured art this week. 

It's Indigenous Peoples' Day! Holly Helton, a member of the Ojibwe tribe, joined us to talk about the fraught relationship of Christianity with indigenous peoples throughout history. But before that, we covered some very morbid pieces of news and Pastor Dru cured Titus' mental health issues. Our patreon where you can sow and reap mere health and wealth: patreon.com/Thatjesuspodcast Julie Roys's interview with Naghmeh Abedini: julieroys.com/podcast/ex-wife-tells-of-abuse-betrayal-behind-savesaeed

In this packed edition of TJP, Dru shares a convo with Stephen Russell from Faith Builders about Scripture. They touch on the history of the church, tradition, community, and using the Chronicles of Narnia in family devotions. But before the interview, the crew has it out about religious exemptions for vaccines and Rebekah shares her latest opus on The Kingdom Outpost. Come for the new sound effects, stay for the mere devotion! Support Jazmine: https://gofund.me/d96ff7ea Rebekah's article: kingdomoutpost.org/the-cross-spiritualized-suffering-or-lifegiving-wholeness More about Steven here: fbep.org/about/personnel/stephen-russell

Keeshon Washington and Emily Smucker joined us to discuss the potential benefits of consuming fiction, Josh McDowell's racist remarks and subsequent resignation, and how to effectively share the love of Jesus in the post-Christian West. Also, you will get a chance to hear Titus' creative genius at work in our new segment jingles. Keeshon's blog: https://urbanitemusingskw.wordpress.com Emily's blog: https://emilysmucker.com Follow us on FB! https://www.facebook.com/thatjesuspod

Dru and Emily review the disastrous consequences of fasting while driving, and then talk with Luci Kinsinger about her new book, Turtle Heart. We discuss boundaries and sacrifice in ministry, developing genuine relationships, not being a jerk about racism, and much more. Check out Turtle Heart here: lucindajkinsinger.com/turtle-heart-release/ You can find Emily's blog here: emilysmucker.com

Joshua Lloyd Parker joined us to help Titus push back a bit on Dru's appearance with Joel Nisly on Strength to Strength. We talked about the IHOP-KC movement and discussed whether or not something is missing in our churches if we are not experiencing the supernatural. If you have an interpretation for Titus' tongues at the beginning of the episode please let us know.

Today we are featuring a conversation that Rebekah Mui hosted over at the Kingdom Outpost with Dru Lattin, Tim Whittaker, and Jon Carlson. They discussed Christian nationalism, nonviolence, and more. We will be back next week with some fresh content!

Today: A conversation about the so-called New Apostolic Reformation. But first, Titus complains about boogeymen and shares a supernatural experience of his own. The original discussion with Joel Nisly and Dru was hosted by Strength to Strength, a community that seeks to advance the Kingdom through sharing teaching, convos, and testimonies. Check out the full program - with Q/A - right here: strengthtostrength.org/revival-or-heresy-the-so-called-new-apostolic-reformation/ (Cover image for episode carefully selected from a last-minute Google Search, that brought of this website: https://www.crichbaptist.org/articles/new-apostolic-reformation/ Thanks, Crich Baptist for letting us borrow it)

We discussed Titus' experience of revival at Kingdom Fellowship Weekend, the ongoing crisis in Afghanistan, Biden's blasphemies, and more. Then we were joined by a few of our friends--Emily Smucker, Kristi Mast, Tim Kuepfer, and Jon Quesenberry--to hear about their devotional lives. Also, you will get a chance to hear Titus sing a powerful line of anointed CCM music.

Dru and Titus provide empowering thought leadership around superstition, lightning strikes, and the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan. Then, Stephen Russell shares his journey from Catholicism to embracing non-violence and joining the Beachy Amish.  Steve's book: https://www.amazon.com/Overcoming-Evil-Gods-Way-Nonresistance/dp/0981656900/ref=sr_1_2? The author of satirical book TJP does not necessarily recommend, on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MatthewEPierce 

If you ever get past deciphering the title you are in for a real treat today. Our friends Rebekah and Christopher joined us to push back on Titus' insensitivity in the last episode. We went long, just like your deconstruction should (unless you believe in reconstruction like Dru). Check out our sponsors: creativedesignsbyfern.com

Dru thinks it's serious, sometimes healthy, and rooted in French philosophers. Titus thinks it's a silly fad. But both of us think we should all spend more time praying together in New York City. Listen in as we share our stories of deconstruction.

Titus sits down with his long-time friend, Jon, to talk about what it looks like when the presence of God saturates a Christian community. Check out Jon's book! https://presencebasedcommunity.com/freebook Also, go give some love to our sponsors: https://www.creativedesignsbyfern.com