That's Not How That Works

People of all identities connect through shared culture, whether it's language, region, or a subculture like hip hop. So who gets to decide what culture you have access to and can claim as yours? What makes an expression of culture “authentic?” We're digging into culture versus cultural appropriation, the difference between culture and race, the impact of socio-cultural environment on expression, and why critiques and call-outs aren't always helpful or necessary. Listen to the full episode to hear: Make It Make Sense: Why are we one-upping each other about wildfires? The difference between caricaturizing Black womanhood and expressing your natural tone, cadence, and vernacular How race and culture all too often get conflated How callouts without context reinforce the notion of racial monoliths How enforcing and upholding racial stereotypes is a product of white supremacy culture Who actually gets to call out cultural appropriation and whether a cultural representation is authentic or performative Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/nothowthatworks Links and Resources: Nina Lin on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@n.nina666 Madonna Might Be An Appropriator…But You Don't Have to Be: https://pod.link/1358150402/episode/be1bfa8a2cb2944b9296335a49787156 Learn more about Trudi Lebron: Website: www.trudilebron.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/ Learn more about Louiza “Weeze” Doran: Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Today, we're getting into the world of professional sports. Ja Morant is a basketball player for the Memphis Grizzlies who has been in the news this year for multiple incidents of misconduct and erratic behavior and was suspended from multiple NBA games, including his most recent bout of cryptic messages on social media that led to a welfare check by Tennessee police. But what we want to talk about is how we can reframe these events and their aftermath in a more liberatory, anti-oppressive way. Content note: this episode will contain discussion of guns and gun culture Listen to the full episode to hear: A brief history of Morant's misconduct and why the morality clause in his contract matters more than whether he broke any laws How public perception and brand management shape the consequences of actions like Morant's How systemic oppression and limited opportunities lead to athletes being upheld as role models when they shouldn't necessarily be Why it matters that Morant is only 23 The NBA's evolving response to gun culture in the last decade A youth development approach to handling these kinds of cases that actually supports the person in making change Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/nothowthatworks Learn more about Trudi Lebron: Website: www.trudilebron.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/ Learn more about Louiza “Weeze” Doran: Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

“This is a safe space.” It's a common refrain, but what does it mean to be and to create safe spaces? And who gets to decide what is safe? Too often, declaring a space “safe” means being resistant to the discomfort of being challenged or held accountable. We're digging into safe spaces, how the term has been defanged in popular discourse, and creating spaces that honor everyone's humanity, while remaining open to challenging conversations, transparency, and accountability. Listen to the full episode to hear: -Why our spaces need to acknowledge and honor the humanity of everyone present -Why safe spaces need to leave room for challenges and accountability -Defining a safe space as a container for a exploration, practice, and transformation happening in community -How the popularization of the term has taken it from safe to soft -Why safe spaces require co-creation, reciprocity, and community agreements -Why consuming someone's content doesn't make them responsible for your safety -How aversion to conflict stalls social movements -Why Brene Brown's definition of a safe space falls so short Support the show on Patreon: -patreon.com/nothowthatworks Links and Resources: -Shawn Ginwright -Ep 29: When Glennon Doyle's Attempt at Allyship Went Wrong -Mellody Hobson: Color blind or color brave? | TED Talk -Ep. 94: So You Wanna Talk About Accountability Learn more about Trudi Lebron: ⁃ Website: www.trudilebron.com/ ⁃ Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/ Learn more about Weeze Doran: ⁃ Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/ ⁃ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

And we're back! It's been a minute since we released an episode, so we're going to catch you up on where we've been, how we got here, and what's coming up for this iteration of the show as we return to our roots of applying our equity and liberation lens to what's happening in the wider world. Listen to the full episode to hear: • Our evolution from Hey, Auntie to the coaching and personal development world and back to broader critique • How Trudi has shifted her work to creating opportunities to reach and impact more people, and why the podcast is a part of that • Why we need to be willing to get curious and have nuanced conversations about the path forward • How the show is reflecting Weeze's realization that she needed to zoom out on how she was getting through the day-to-day • Why we're pivoting away from discussing the coaching industry Learn more about Trudi Lebron: Website: trudilebron.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/ Learn more about Weeze Doran: Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/nothowthatworks Links and Resources: If I Were a Fish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx_vMONe3tM

It's easy to look at the day's headlines and think: That's not how things are supposed to work! Contempt for the planet. Fear of the other. Rampant inequity. Multi-billionaires in space. But we've got news: this is exactly how things are supposed to work. The systems that spin out scarcity, hate, and injustice are working exactly as they were designed to. Our goal is to reveal those systems—not just the ones embedded in our politics and culture but also in our minds—and explore the ways we can start to do things differently. We started this podcast to create a space to shine a light on all of the equity problems that we were seeing in the personal development and online business space. And after 103 episodes of critiquing and providing actionable solutions to this niche audience, we're zooming out. Today, the project sounds a little different. The scaffolding of oppression is at work everywhere. In current events—from economic news to celebrity gossip, from not-so-random acts of violence to radical culture-making and everything in between. Collective liberation comes from our willingness to confront uncomfortable truths, build community, understand the interconnectedness of our humanity, and reimagine our way forward. There's a path of possibility ahead of us as long as we can agree that this isn't how things have to work. That's Not How That Works brings you a real, unscripted, nuanced critique of the world available on all podcast platforms, so make sure to follow or subscribe on your podcast app of choice. And you can support the show by rating, leaving us a review, sharing the show, and joining us on Patreon for as little as $2 per month - that's patreon.com/nothowthatworks We hope that you're as excited as we are about the new format and vibe of the show. Learn more about Trudi Lebron: Website: https://trudilebron.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/trudilebron/ Learn more about Weeze Doran: Website: https://www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/nothowthatworks

In this episode Weeze and Trudi wrap up are series with a special invitation to eXpand. eXpansion is the process of liberation, personal exploration, equity, and transformation of our personal and social futures, and for the first time in three years, they are partnering up to facilitate this journey in a 4-month container that you are invited to. For all the details visit: www.yourinvitetoexpand.com

If liberation isn't the goal, or destination (as we covered in vignette 3) then what is? In this vignette Weeze & Trudi share the next step in the process of personal liberation and expansion, defining the destination.

In this vignette, Weeze and Trudi explore reframing the concept of liberation from a destination or goal, to a process and practice.

In this episode we talk about the importance of reimagining what's possible in our lives, in our work, our world, and more. Weeze and Trudi have been on a reimagining journey of their own, both when it comes to their personal and collaborative work. We'll continue to talk about why reimagining is an important process in liberation and anti-oppression work.

Trudi and Weeze are going rouge and have decided to release a 5-part minisode to catch you up, and bring you up to speed and where we're at and where we're going, The basics: That's Not How That Works is coming back with a new team, an upleved vibe, and expanded vision of the future... and we want you to come with us. We have big plans and we'd love for you to join us. Take a screenshot of the episode, share it to Instagram @trudilebron and @accordingtoweeze to skip ahead and get even more details about what we're up to and how can be down :)

The world is on fire, y'all and there's so much to unpack both globally and personally. There are actual wars going on—the war on the Black and queer communities as well as voting rights here in the U.S. happening simultaneously with the war in Ukraine—and some major life and business changes for us as well. So we're gonna take a little break, y'all. But before we go, don't miss today's episode where we're breaking down all of this, sharing updates on our lives and the podcast, and leaving you with some things to do and ruminate on while we're gone to make things more equitable in YOUR world. Let's explore: - What bothers us particularly about the war in Ukraine - Some small things you can do that can make massive shifts for people - The changes Weeze has been making in her business to make things more accessible and equitable (and an invitation to rethink your own business practices as well!) - Why we're stepping away from the podcast (temporarily!) - Trudi's big news Pre-order your copy of Trudi's book: The Anti-Racist Business Book For the full story on Weeze's eye condition, go back and listen to Ep. #102: Your Urgency is Not my Emergency Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

It's been an interesting and exhausting couple of weeks, y'all! But wanna know what's REALLY been chapping our asses lately? Then you don't want to miss today's episode where Trudi and Weeze are breaking down the expectations (and massive misconceptions) that come from the kind of work that we do, THIS thing that's happening with the language of anti-racism and anti-oppression, and why more than ever it's important to give people the space to be human. We're unpacking: The imaginary social contracts between high visibility figures and those receiving their free service (and why it's bullshit) What to do if you're on either end of this imaginary social contract How to balance doing DEI work and taking care of yourself Why Weeze has been less active on social media lately Pre-order your copy of Trudi's book: The Anti-Racist Business Book Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Want to work with us? Find us here: Trudi: https://trudilebron.com/start/ Weeze: https://www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

What does it cost to have the life you want? Really, it's the life you have, right? In today's episode, Trudi and Weeze are bringing you examples of how we're embodying this in our own personal and professional lives to let go of the old and create space for new priorities and projects both on a personal front and in our social justice work. Join us for some big news from Weeze, a secret from Trudi, what we're most excited about this year, and what we're actively creating space for. We're exploring: - The different layers of social justice work (including the ones most people don't think about!) - ONE place where a big change needs to happen to make a substantial shift in direct service social justice work - How we've shifted our schedules to create more space for the things that are important to us - Why we don't worry about business pivots - How to really achieve your goal of balance between work and family Pre-order your copy of Trudi's book: The Anit-Racist Business Book Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Happy 100 episodes, y'all!! For this episode, Trudi & Weeze are reflecting on the past 100 episodes of the podcast and sharing the biggest lessons we've learned from it. Join us for a look back at how we got here, what's changed for us and the podcast in the last 3 years, what we wish we had known about podcasting from the start, lessons we've learned about business partnerships, and what's coming for the next 100. Become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Hey y'all! Today, Trudi and Weeze are bringing you a special minisode before we break for the holidays. Listen in for what we're celebrating as we wrap up 2021, what we'd love for you this holiday season, and how to prioritize your most important relationship.

We just got done with Thanksgiving, and with it comes talk online of the need to “decolonize” the holiday, ditch the turkey, potatoes and get togethers and just make it a normal day. So y'all, it's time to have a discussion of the tradition of Thanksgiving in the US, because although we aren't arguing about the history of the holiday, we shouldn't be throwing the whole tradition away. Join us in this episode for a breakdown of what parts are actually really important to melanated folks and those with marginalized identities, why we CAN'T actually decolonize the holiday, the healing elements to be found here, and what we think we should be doing instead of opting out of the whole thing. We're exploring: -Something that really irks Trudi and why it's NOT helpful when you do it -THIS practice that's the main way you can spot the commodification of social justice -Why the advice to totally opt out of all Thanksgiving traditions is not only not helpful, but harmful (and what to do instead) -The reason that the BLM movement, anti-racism work, and anti-oppression work thrived during the pandemic -How illuminating something and shaming are different and where they're similar (and why you need to be aware of this fine line!) -The difference between disruption and agitation and why it's important to understand what these REALLY mean -And more! Grab your spot for the first LIVE That's Not How That Works workshop in 2 years! The Commodification of Social Justice: https://weeze.teachable.com/p/cosj Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Wanna know what's really been chapping our asses lately?! In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are unpacking the issue happening way too frequently online: the serious misuse of this work as a part of social media or email marketing strategies to sell shit to people. Ready for a “come to Beyoncé” moment here? Then listen in, because we're breaking it all down for you and bringing you what this looks like, who's doing it (it's not just white folks!), and 3 things to watch out for online before deciding to work with someone in this space. We're exploring: Where we see this happening and why it's so important to be on the lookout for it The appropriate and RIGHT way to do this work What you need to do before you can really step into the role of an expert The classic weapon of whiteness that some melanated folks are using, where it comes from, and why it needs to stop THESE words y'all need to stop using interchangeably (and why it matters) If the very first thing that comes out of someone's mouth is THIS…it's a big ass red flag A nifty list of previous episodes for you to dig deeper and get a full understanding of all of these things Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

It's that time of year again....and we don't mean Christmas. With Halloween just a couple of weeks behind us and Thanksgiving around the corner, it's time to dive back into the conversation around these holidays and break down some shit for y'all. In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are breaking down Halloween costumes and cultural appropriation, the ways white supremacy has harmed phenotypically white as well as marginalized folks, and what can happen when you make the effort to reconnect to where your ancestors came from. We're exploring: Where cultural appropriation stems from The psychological and emotional resource that you lose when you trade in your ethnicity for whiteness What happens when you don't have a connection to culture, history or family The question you should be asking yourself if you wanted to be one of THESE things for Halloween An opportunity for you to start unpacking some of this and help you start reconnecting to your actual ethnic identity A reframe for you about Thanksgiving The ways generational trauma affects more people than you'd think And more! Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Someone hits you up and says, “Hey, can we talk real quick?” What comes up for you? If immediate fear hits that you're about to have the worst possible conversation ever, that's from corporate trauma (and you're not alone!) We've all probably had “that talk” with a superior, or been put on blast for being 5 minutes late, or seen someone take the credit for someone else's idea when we've worked in the corporate world, right? But it's time to start ditching that corporate trauma, and in this episode Trudi & Weeze are breaking down what that actually means, how it shows up in our businesses, and how to avoid continuing the trauma into another job or your own business. We're exploring: How our insecurities around our roles in the corporate space affect how we collaborate with others All the things that are affected by corporate trauma How we are doing business differently ONE thing that is imperative to avoiding continuing the trauma when you are an entrepreneur What our non-oppressive business practices look like A sneak peak behind the scenes of our hiring process and how we run our businesses And more! Go back and listen to these episodes for more on this topic: Ep. 18: Protect Your Peace! https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep18?si=1eb7efb47c9b4b26a0a5d48d498968d4 Ep. 63: People or Profit? https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-63-people-or-profit?si=6e4605192fb7415f9a6e15a8ca531b8a Ep. 72: Before We Lead, We Must Heal w/ Greg Wieting https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-72-before-we-lead-we-must-heal-w-greg-wieting?si=9a72ece4a05647c7b953f29beae07439 Ep. 75: Decolonizing Professionalism & Work https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-75-decolonizing-professionalism-work?si=20f94cee434a430da11ec5a272fde842 Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

If you're from a mixed race background, you've probably heard questions like “I know you're not white, but I don't know what you are?” or “Why are you that color?” or “But where are you ACTUALLY from?” and it can be infuriating and traumatic. This is something that Weeze experiences, too, as a fair-skinned indigenous African woman and it happens to so many people. So in today's episode, Trudi and Weeze are diving into racial ambiguity, mixed race identity, what it's like and what it means in the work that we do. We're exploring: Why language is so important in what we call ourselves What the motivation of investigations into your background are REALLY about Breaking down the questions “where are you from?” and “what are you?” The conversation we need to have amongst ourselves as multi-racial folks What it's like when you don't fit into a box The functions of colorism and anti-Blackness vs racism Where social identities play a role in this work The risk and gamble we face as racially ambiguous folks And more! Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Y'all get SO upset on the interwebs over the idea of accountability, and we need to have a serious conversation about it because a lot of folks don't actually know what that is. In today's episode, Trudi and Weeze are breaking down what accountability REALLY means and the 4 important things you need to remember before you get involved online. We're exploring: Why tools and frameworks are so important The thing that is so important in this work but the assumption of it can be so dangerous Where consent plays an (often forgotten!) role Who actually gets a say in what accountability looks like ONE important thing you should not do when facilitating repair of harm What a successful reparative process ACTUALLY looks like And more! Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

We've seen a lot of changes in the work and the industry of anti-racism over the years and a ton of misinformation out there. So in today's episode, we're digging into what anti-racism work ACTUALLY looks like in 2021 (and a little reminder of what it's not!), the cornerstone of any anti-racism or anti-oppression work, and the shit we see happen online WAY too much when folks think they're doing “the work.” We're exploring: - What anti-racism work is NOT in our day to day lives Where the work DOESN'T happen The slippery slope you can fall into trying to do this work on the interwebs Where social media plays a role and where it doesn't The difference between learning and action and how to tell what you're ACTUALLY doing One thing in this industry that gets Trudi super fired up about THIS trap you can fall into that actually reproduces whiteness The ONE question you need to be asking any DEI expert you are considering working with Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

We're back, y'all!!! A lot of things have changed since our last episode, and we feel like completely different people (in a good way!) In today's episode, we're diving into why we had an extended break between seasons, what we'd forgotten doing this work, the biggest shifts we're making in our lives and businesses, and a sneak peek at an upcoming shift for the podcast.

It’s the end of the fall 2020 season for That’s Not How That Works, so today we want to have a conversation about what we want to leave you with and what we hope you do from here. Listen in as we remind you what the hell this work is about in the first place (and what it ISN’T), what you can do to make sure you are moving the baton forward in this work, what you should do with those goal posts you’ve been setting, why you cannot center whiteness in any of this work and what you need to focus on centering instead. Find out how you can work with us: https://www.trudilebron.com/letswork https://www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Podia: https://accordingtoweeze.podia.com/weeze Revisit the summer syllabus: Foundational Episode 68 - The Basics: justice, equity, diversity & inclusion: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-68-the-basics-justice-equity-diversity-inclusion Episode 25 - Can White folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled): https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Episode 76 - Education vs. Action: Each plays a role in equity but only one creates change: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-76-education-vs-action-each-plays-a-role-in-equity-but-only-one-creates-change From Ally to Accomplice Episode 19 - Lets Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-bullshit-from-ally-to-accomplice Episode 70 - Wait WTF…I can be down and still not be woke?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/wait-wtfi-can-be-down-and-still-not-be-woke Episode 29 - When Glennon Doyle’s Attempt at Allyship Went Wrong: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep29 Whiteness Episode 37 - The Basics of White Centering: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep37 Episode 41 - Whitesplaining and Webster…A look at language: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep41 Episode 10 - Don’t Be A BBQ Becky: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-10-dont-be-a-bbq-becky Safety Episode 64 - Safe Space, a journey: the what, how & how not!: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-64-safe-space-a-journey-the-what-how-how-not Episode 46 - Do White Folks Deserve Safe Spaces?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep46 Episode 60 - Byron Katie, The Fairy Godmother of Spiritual Bypassing: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-60-byron-katie-the-fairy-godmother-of-spiritual-bypassing Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

It’s story time! On today’s episode, we’re recounting a little scenario that happened recently in Trudi’s free private Facebook group that caused her to hit up Weeze on a weekend to discuss. Today we’re not only exploring non-disparage clauses in coaching contracts — what they are and why they are harmful — but also boundaries and consent, silencing and erasure, restorative justice and how to do it right, as well as what ACTUALLY happened in this thread in the Facebook group and what SHOULD have happened instead. This tale of Karen, Karen, and Karen is one you don’t want to miss.

Shit is about to get real, y’all. With everything going on lately — the new Supreme Court confirmation, yet ANOTHER Black man murdered by police, and the upcoming election to name a few — Trudi & Weeze are bringing you an old school throwback episode today. Listen in as we share what it’s like for us to be in the work that we do, the values we have, the ACTUAL goal of the work we do, and everything that’s on our minds, bodies, and souls right now. Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

So you’ve made a public statement that you’re behind the Black Lives Matter movement and committed to anti-racism. But what does it mean to make a commitment like this and be accountable to these commitments? On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are exploring what accountability looks like (in a real way!), why it feels hard, and one of the MOST IMPORTANT things you can do to stay accountable. Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

You might be a white savior if… Seriously y’all… we get questions about this one on the daily. “Am I a white savior? What are people gonna think of me if I share online about the work I’m doing? How do I make sure I’m not crossing the line into white saviorism?” So on today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are sharing our FINAL ANSWER on this one. We’re exploring all about white saviorism: what it is, why it’s so dangerous, the difference between white identity and whiteness, and how to make sure you don’t show up in spaces as a white savior. For the full breakdown of white saviorism, go back and check out Episode 19: Let’s Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice - https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-bullshit-from-ally-to-accomplice Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

If you’re looking for a guide on how to be an anti-racist, Ibram Kendi’s book “How to Be an Anti-Racist” is NOT it, y’all. On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are diving into this controversial book, why the title is problematic and not accurate, who this book is best for and what it REALLY is, what could have made it better, and what we recommend you read instead if you’re on your own journey towards anti-racism. Check out Ep. 25: Can White Folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled) -- https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

What do we mean when we say that white folks can’t be the poison AND the antidote? What’s the difference between DEI and anti-racism work anyway? If you want to know the answer to these questions and what you CAN do in the work as a white person without being harmful, you’re not gonna want to miss this episode! Today, Trudi & Weeze are answering these questions as well as exploring the white folks co-opting the movement, why we don’t do DEI work with clients before anti-racism work is done, and how BIPOC can continue to protect their peace and hold boundaries. Wanna go deeper? Go back and listen to these episodes for more: Ep. 19: Let’s Cut the BS - From Ally to Accomplice Ep. 68: The Basics - Justice, Equity, Diversity & Inclusion Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

We are 3 months now out of the “Great White Awakening” and it’s time for y’all to have a come to Beyoncé moment… Where do you fall in this movement? Why did we even have this “Great White Awakening” now of all times? Why was George Floyd the beginning of it and not Breonna Taylor or any of the other Black folx who have been murdered? On today’s episode, we’re exploring the co-occurring social crises that created the perfect storm for people to FINALLY wake up, the 3 types of folx we saw in the Great White Awakening, and why it isn’t actually in your business’s best interest to use this movement to start branding yourself as an “anti-racist or DEI expert.” Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

We’re back, y’all! A lot has happened in the world since our last podcast episode and we’re excited to be back to start breaking it all down over this season. On today’s episode, we’re diving into what we’ve been up to during the podcast break and exploring the recent resurgence of the civil rights movement, Weeze’s farewell to Facebook, the new “Great Awakening,” and why the transformational change you’re looking for can’t be done with a quick fix, DM, or one-off training! Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/thatsnothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

This is our last episode of the season! Trudi and Weeze will be back in September with all new podcast episodes but in the meantime they have set up a curriculum to go back and listen to some of the most influential episodes so far. These are for you whether you are a newcomer to the podcast or if you just need refreshers as you continue on their path to wokeness. These will work in conjunction with our newsletter (that you should sign up for!) and our Facebook page to continue the discussion as always. Our book club will also be reviewing two books a month so there is plenty of opportunity to learn and interact with us. Until then enjoy these episodes...ok byeeeeeee! Foundational Episode 68 - The Basics: justice, equity, diversity & inclusion: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-68-the-basics-justice-equity-diversity-inclusion Episode 25 - Can White folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled): https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Episode 76 - Education vs. Action: Each plays a role in equity but only one creates change: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-76-education-vs-action-each-plays-a-role-in-equity-but-only-one-creates-change From Ally to Accomplice Episode 19 - Lets Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-bullshit-from-ally-to-accomplice Episode 70 - Wait WTF…I can be down and still not be woke?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/wait-wtfi-can-be-down-and-still-not-be-woke Episode 29 - When Glennon Doyle’s Attempt at Allyship Went Wrong: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep29 Whiteness Episode 37 - The Basics of White Centering: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep37 Episode 41 - Whitesplaining and Webster…A look at language: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep41 Episode 10 - Don’t Be A BBQ Becky: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-10-dont-be-a-bbq-becky Safety Episode 64 - Safe Space, a journey: the what, how & how not!: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-64-safe-space-a-journey-the-what-how-how-not Episode 46 - Do White Folks Deserve Safe Spaces?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep46 Episode 60 - Byron Katie, The Fairy Godmother of Spiritual Bypassing: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-60-byron-katie-the-fairy-godmother-of-spiritual-bypassing Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Have you ever seen a “Karen?” She’s the one who storms through the sliding doors with her apologetic husband in tow. Her short “power” haircut, oversized sunglasses and bratty kids let everyone know her entitled ass is getting whatever she wants. She yells and accuses everyone causing as much of a scene as possible, if provoked then she will unleash her final attack saying, “I want to speak to your manager!” This is a “Karen”... she’s not a new phenomenon but she can now be identified properly with the rise of social media. In this episode, Trudi & Weeze break down what being a Karen is and how whiteness plays a major role in being one. Listen in as we explore potential outcomes and how you can help combat all the Karening going on. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Privileged during the pandemic? It may not always feel that way, but many of us are in one way or another. What are you doing with it, though? In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are diving into what privilege IS, what it ISN’T, what choices you have during this time, and how you can use this time to rise while making sure others rise with you. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Hey y’all! We’re back and it feels so good! Have you heard people calling themselves “equity informed” or “justice informed?” On today’s episode Trudi & Weeze are gonna give it to ya straight about what those terms ACTUALLY mean, the questions you need to know to figure out if you or a coach you want to work with is truly helpful and not harmful, and some special news and events for y’all! Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks Visit the site: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/ Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

It’s a whole new world out there right now amid the COVID-19 pandemic and with it comes a lot of questions and uncertainty. How do you handle the travel restrictions, event cancellations, and social distancing when it affects your bottom line? Is it even ethical to still sell to people right now? In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are exploring the effects of the pandemic here in the US, how to handle it responsibly, and tips to navigate this changing business landscape and keep your online business running as usual as possible. Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

What is International Women’s Day, really? Is it a day for all countries to celebrate women together? Or just a single day to raise up women of color? In today’s episode Trudi and Weeze are exploring this distinction as well as feminism, what it is and isn’t, the role whiteness has played in the feminist movement, and 4 ways you can do better to help support people of color. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

On today's spicy episode Trudi and Weeze are exploring education and action. In creating equitable change both are needed, but sometimes people can confuse the two. This distinction is the core of today’s episode. How does this show up in a professional setting? How do you identify where you are on the spectrum of education vs action? How do you properly support others if you are unable to be in a leadership role? How do you get educated and how do you get actionable? We’re exploring all of this and more in today's discussion. So relax...but also buckle up boo, ‘cause this episode is fire....Oh, and Joaquin Phoenix…. check it it! Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

On todays episode Trudi and Weeze are talking about…perfess…profesh….ahem….professionalism. Trudi and Weeze look at professionalism through the lens of an entrepreneurial or online business mindset. There is this notion that in order for us to become our most professional selves that we have to de-humanize ourselves, but there’s not some inverse relationship between being business-minded and being a human. People are capable of doing both and that is exactly what Trudi and Weeze explore for you today. How do you show up and create a sense of TRUE professionalism while maintaining your individualistic values? How do you need to show up and what to bring to the table in order to help re-establish what it means to be “professional”? Listen in to find out… Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Whether you love it or hate it, the recent SuperBowl and halftime show has got a lot of people up in arms. In this episode Trudi & Weeze are talking all about the halftime performance by J. Lo and Shakira and exploring the topic of duality to explain that it’s possible to both love and hate something at the same time… even the SuperBowl. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Today Trudi & Weeze are sharing their recent masterclass, So You Think You're Woke. We explore why personal development is a critical part of your leadership, the difference between equity and equality, and why it's so important for each of us to do our own work and begin working towards woke. The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Today we are joined by trauma healing expert Greg Wietling to continue our series on leadership. We explore creating safe spaces, white privilege, and the importance of understanding the relationship between personal trauma, leadership, and power dynamics. Connect with Greg: https://gregwieting.com Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this episode Trudi & Weeze are joined by Ruby Fremon, a transformational coach for today’s thought leaders, to discuss defining and redefining leadership. We explore leading with connection and integrity, empowering those you lead and conscious vs self-conscious leadership. Connect with Ruby: instagram.com/iamruby twitter.com/iamruby youtube.com/iamruby facebook.com/iamruby Via text: Text #POTENTTRUTH to 1-781-336-0160 Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Today Trudi & Weeze are joined by pussy based business coach Julia Wells, who shares her journey of coming to terms with her own white privilege and what it was like to do her work as part of the first cohort of Working Towards Woke. We also explore conscious leadership, leadership with an equity lens and doing better with your clients. Grab your spot for our FREE WORKSHOP, So You Think You’re Woke? January 28, 2020: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workshop?fbclid=IwAR1yObvNHLooW4LHW9wxGxEZ0yHUt-rezcNnmuaYDMuTk2BQ0AQ4KIe7gQE Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Connect with Julia: Her free Facebook group, Visible AF: https://www.facebook.com/groups/VisibleAF/ On Instagram: https://instagram.com/juliamotherfuckingwells Her website: https://juliacwells.com Her podcast, Wait...WTF Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze are joined by professional ultrarunner, motivational speaker, author, and all around badass Mirna Valerio (aka “The Mirnavator”) who shares her experiences as a larger woman in a world of thinner athletes. Together we explore fat shaming, body positivity, and challenging the narratives and double standards around weight and athleticism. Connect with Mirna: https://www.instagram.com/themirnavator/ https://www.patreon.com/themirnavator https://themirnavator.com/ https://www.facebook.com/TheMirnavator/ You can buy a copy of Mirna’s recently published memoir, A Beautiful Work in Progress here: https://www.amzn.com/1503943399 Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fat Phobia by Strings: https://amzn.com/1479886750 Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

We throw around a lot of words that can be misunderstood or misinterpreted. In this episode we’re unpacking words like diversity AND inclusion (DNI) and talking about what they were intended for vs. how they are misused. Hop over to episode 44 for all of the ways diversity and inclusion can have an impact. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Today Trudi & Weeze are doing a year end review. We explore the lessons we learned in 2019 as well as our words and themes of the year and big scary goals for 2020. Network & Spill episode: http://networkandspill.com/2019/09/strangerdanger-w-liberation-coach-louiza-weeze-doran/ Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Today Trudi and Weeze are talking about the now infamous and controversial Lizzo Lakers game twerking. In this episode we explore social contracts, making assumptions, internet backlash, and what the real conversation needs to be around Lizzo’s outfit and the game. The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke, starting January 2020: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this 3rd installment of our series about how to do better, we are talking about accountability. We explore institutional, interpersonal, and community accountabilities — especially as it pertains to the coaching industry — the lack of a standardized code of ethics for coaches, and what coaching certifications really mean (or don’t mean!) The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke, starting January 2020: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are revisiting the topic of safe space. We explore safe space in general, what that actually looks like, how to create a safe space in your coaching program or group, and why having a group for white folks only to go through Working Towards Woke actually provides a safe space for both them and folks of color. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee