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Panel: Joe Eames Aaron Frost John Papa Special Guests: Jia Li In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talks with Jia Li about Zones.js. Check-out today’s episode to hear this topic plus more! Show Topics: 1:20 – What are zones? 1:25 – Jia: It is a library developed 4 years ago. 1:45 – Panelist: Execution context? What is this? 1:50 – Jia answers this question. 2:42 – I know it’s big in Angular because it kind of takes care of itself. What are the new things you have done in zones and let’s talk about that? 3:01 – Jia: I started contributing 2 years ago. About 1 year ago I was using Angular. I would like to talk about different 3:35 – Where are zones used in Angular – lots of people don’t know where it is. 3:48 – Jia: For four parts. 6:23 – What is this framework that you are talking about? Check-out the links for this framework. 6:42 – Panelists chime-in with their comments. 7:29 – Jia: It is a standalone package in Zone. 8:27 – Going back to John’s question. I only ran into it a few times – one time in one of my classes I made a new behavior subject. That subject got created before the zone. Anything I did outside of Angular zone, didn’t know what was going on. Once I stuck the behavior subject in one of the classes everything got taken care of. You kind of monkey patch... what else gets monkey patched by zones? 9:28 – Jia answers the question. 10:54 – Monkey-patch is a term that we use in this industry. What is it? 11:05 – Jia answers this question. Jia: Monkey patch basically is overriding the procedure for the API. 14:05 – What are some of the new things you are doing? I know you’ve done some new things and what’s new with Zones? 14:28 – Lia: It’s all about the performance. 16:55 – Panelist: I didn’t know all about these hooks – so that’s cool! I knew about handling errors, but I didn’t know there are different ways to work with the tasks. I am curious what kind of interesting things have you done with Zones as an Angular developer? 17:38 – Lia answers the questions. 19:15 – Debugging and tests are good for Zones. But it sounds like you are saying that Zones is not good for... 19:50 – Lia answers the question. 20:35 – Panelist: Sounds like Zones is doing what you need out of the box for... 20:51 – Panelist: You improved some of the performance? Zones doesn’t have that much of a footprint and is pretty lightweight. How much did you better the performance? 20-30%? 2:25 – Jia – I think the library is faster. There is a lot of garbage collection. It’s not that much. 22:47 – Advertisement – Code Badges! 23:38 – Panelist: So it will help with garbage collection. That is good to know. Cool to know that you can optimize such a small library with... 23:48 – Jia comments. 26:09 – Panelist: Gottcha. 26:16 – Jia continues this topic. Jia: A lot of new things are happening with the testing in the Zone. There are a lot of new features in the syntax. 27:35 – That is a nice feature to add back in. 27:43 – Jia continues the talk. 28:55 – Panelist: There are a lot of tests in this Repo. Do Zones generally work out of the box or do you have to add support for different things? What are the criteria to add support to? Blue Birds added to the list somehow. 29:32 – Jia answers this question. 30:03 – Panelist: Can the GIST team add support or only can the Zone team add it? 30:37 – Jia: Other teams can add support to their libraries. It’s public. 31:10 – Panelist: This is over my head, but is there a plan to get the documents going? 31:32 – Jia adds a comment. 31:41 – Panelist: Google this: What the heck is zones? An opposite side of the question: What would happen to Angular if you remove Zones.js? 32:10 – Jia answers this question. 332:37 – Zones is effectively how it works sweetly in Angular. It’s not totally true but if you remove Zones.js – which I see some people doing – why would someone do this? Is it heavy is it...? 33:20 – Jia answers the question. Jia: It’s not good for the Angular element. 34:29 – Panelist: It is an island of Angular. 34:54 – Jia continues this conversation. 35:10 – Panelist: That’s interesting – good to know. 35:18 – Jia: Back to the new features. 38:22 – Jia mentions another feature. 39:43 – JavaScript something haunts you – then you are now a real developer! 40:03 – Jia: Yes, exactly. 40:10 – Panelist: I am going to put some things in the links that the listeners can access. (NG Zone) 40:28 – Picks! 40:31 – Advertisement – Get a Coder Job Course Links: GitHub What is New in Zone.js Thriller Troopers Web Tracing Framework NG Zone Audible – Educated Real Talk – JavaScript The dark side of conferences Real Talk Java Script’s Twitter Jia Li’s LinkedIn Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Jia You Don’t Know JS Switching to Angular 2 Aaron Educated John Real Talk JavaScript https://twitter.com/realtalkjs The Dark Side of Conferences Joe The Developer Experience Bait and Switch
Panel: Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Special Guest: Kate Travers In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks to Kate Travers who was a student/apprentice with the Flatiron School and now is on staff as a software engineer. The panel and Kate talk about adopting Elixir at the Flatiron School and Pattern Matching. Watch Kate’s talks about the topic; links to these talks can be found below. Show Topics: 1:08– Hi from Kate Travers. 1:16 – Chuck: Background? 2:20 – Kate gives her background. 2:30 – Chuck: We had another Flatiron alum from an extra show. 2:44 – Kate: Yeah – she’s great! 2:48 – Chuck: Flatiron mostly focused on Ruby and JavaScript. Has that changed or? 3:02 – Kate: For the students we are teaching the Rails focus on the backend and React on the frontend. Times might be changing. What else is out there for functional curriculum? Our lead engineer is super motivated introducing some Elixir. Our engineering team might be the first to go in that arena. It would be absolutely fantastic to 4:02 – Chuck: Awesome! I would like to see the boot camps take on Elixir. 4:15 – Kate: Yeah, there are many benefits of doing that. 4:57 – Chuck: You see some Reactive, some... It is interesting to see how it comes together and 5:16 – Kate: Yeah we see this as a support – delivery of curriculum. When you start out you are writing in a functional style. You are essentially writing TLI scripts – functional manner. Now in the curriculum we are training people to think, and to get away from that script-way, and think in terms of objects. 6:11 – Panelist: I think that is interesting. Some of the difficulty of teaching Elixir is to UNLEARN some of their past education. Start teaching people FUNCTIONAL, might help. 7:04 – Chuck: I have been starting a new project... What is going on here? Oh yeah I have to think about it. 7:20 – Kate: Yes. We have spun up – we have one core Elixir project. We have been on that for a year. We have spun up some smaller projects. On these projects this is the first time these people have used Elixir. It is interesting to see the difficulties that they are seeing for the first time. 8:09 – Chuck: I want to talk to adoption for a bit. So as your school has made this transition, where are you seeing the (first of all) where is it easy to get buy in. How did Elixir get into Flatiron? 9:06 – Kate: It is not apart of the school’s curriculum. How we started using Elixir was because our technical lead he is super loud / elegant voice for this language. Elixir might solve some of the problems that we were facing. When we adopt new tech it’s because we have thought about it heavily. We don’t adopt new technologies “just because”. The perfect opportunity came up, so this lead into why and how Flatiron started using Elixir. Kate goes into more detail. 15:24 – Chuck: Learn.io – check out outside of the school? 15:35 – Kate: Yep! There is even some interview prep; also, intro to Ruby, intro to JavaScript, and someday intro to Elixir? 16:06 – Chuck: As you brining people into this how do you transfer them to Ruby to Elixir? Do you throw them into the deep end? 16:26 – Kate: Sure! If someone is interested we will. It is something our team tries to prioritize. Kate goes into more detail. 18:43 – Kate: We didn’t expect for these book clubs to keep going. We will do a little workshop as part of book club. 19:18 – Panelist: Question to Kate. 19:25 – Kate: Yes, so everyone has a NEW lead each week. Folks of ALL different experience levels. What is different about our team is that we have tons of people who LOVE to blog. If you check-it out as they are learning Elixir they are writing posts. 20:21 – Question. 20:29 – Kate answers the question. 20:49 – Chuck. 20:55 – Kate: Steven suggested a new way to cement the things you are learning. 21:28 – Chuck: Yeah – Flatiron labs. Now that I have been playing with Elixir with pattern matching. At first it’s scary stuff. 21:49 – Kate: It is a head-trip. 22:00 – Chuck: ...wait...wait... 22:10 – Kate: Multiple binding? 22:16 – Panelist: My first introduction to outer matching was seeing a... 22:39 – Kate: Great first introduction. Not the textbook example, you will get to see the real-world situation. Yeah that is a really, really good example. 23:05 – Panelist: Pattern matching for me became a superpower! It was my first real love of the language; before concurrency, and others. Pattern matching helped with a lot of the pains that I wouldn’t have to encounter. You are poking this big object to figure it out. Then it’s easier because if the shape matches, then it matches. Mental flip – and I get it! It felt like a superpower. I liked your talk, Kate, about pattern matching. 24:41 – Kate: Yeah, totally. Pattern matching. Like learning a musical instrument like a guitar. When you start learning something like this you have these high ambitions. You are learning to be a rock star and you want to be David Bowie. But when you start you couldn’t be further away from that goal. At the beginning you are learning chords and it’s so easy to think: “I am terrible, I suck...” you quit and never keep going. To prevent this you need a hook to keep you going. You just need to learn that really sick rift. Oh yeah, NOW I can start seeing my rock star abilities; same thing for Elixir. Pattern matching was my really sick rift. 27:38 – Panelist chimes-in. You have that excitement about the new language. But they get frustrated because they are a beginner. I do think that you nailed it there. If people can latch onto something fairly quickly, then it gives them a reason to keep coming back to learn more and more. 28:25 – Kate continues this conversation. 28:48 – Panelist. 28:54 – Advertisement – Code Badges! 29:32 – Chuck: Most important / interesting thing you’ve learned about pattern matching? 29:48 – Kate: It was the different things you can do with... 30:23 – Kate: The concept is that Elixir provides... 31:42 – Chuck: I didn’t know that you could do that! 31:56 – Kate: The benefit only comes from legibility. 32:13 – Panelist: Guard clauses and pattern matching. I think it would be a mess if I weren’t use Elixir. 32:31 – Kate: Yes, definitely. 33:10 – Panelist: Yes, my first project with Elixir... 34:47 – People should go and see your talk and it’s in the links. 35:00 – Kate: Thanks! Kate talks about dodging bullets and code. 36:04 – Chuck: have you seen other languages using/trying to use Pattern matching? 36:10 – Kate: Yeah, there are talks about Ruby and JavaScript for introducing proper pattern matching in BOTH languages. Ruby is interesting. I don’t know how much traction we have on these, but people seem really into program matching. 36:36 – Panelist: Yeah, I think people come to Elixir and see pattern matching and they get excited. 36:55 – Kate: Yeah, I would be interested to see if the proposals go through or not. There is a conference on my WATCH LIST and I want to see more about it. 37:26 – Panelist: It started off as a prologue that’s what you need. 37:37 – Kate: If it wasn’t designed that way in the beginning it will be a problem. If it’s not apart of the system in the beginning then it could be a problem. 38:14 – Chuck: Yeah, the flipside is... 38:34 – Panelists: I don’t know. 38:44 – Panelist: One of my concerns is object oriented programming. I imagine (nightmare) pattern matching in Ruby and all match onto this object – after it’s there – it’s inside my function – runs another thread – comes back to me – that object is modified and now it’s there, and not be completely invalid. It’s not RUBY anymore. 39:36 – Panelist: Pattern matching could bring them over and bring them over the gap. I am worried that if this is more widespread then we will hit a much worse. 40:06 – Kate and Panel: Yep! 40:12 – Chuck: Anything else about pattern matching and/or adopting Elixir? 40:18 – Kate: I don’t want to rush into this too quickly, but if we are on the topic of bringing people to Elixir. It came up at this conference. Ruby Rails coming over – RR refugees. The question that they post: People are hyped about Elixir about Phoenix. What is going to be the thing that brings people over? 41:15 – Panelist answers Kate’s question. 41:29 – You can’t do live Vue in other languages. If you are really experienced... 42:08 – Chuck: You have to learn 2 technologies. You can adopt a frontend and backend technology and you can get SOME of that. I know a lot of people are invested in the frontend technology or the backend. I think that is how you are going to convert. 42:43: Panelist chimes-in. Panelist’s friend asks: Is it an appropriate tool? 43:30 – Kate: Our team is super excited about it. Our team has mostly been working on the backend. We need to deliver on the frontend with updates. What if we had it – out of the box with Phoenix? Yeah people are over the moon. 44:06 – Chuck talks about what he is using. What if I didn’t have to do any of that garbage? 44:23 – Panelist: It is a NICE experience when you have to do it. 44:38 – Chuck: If you need a killer feature for React or Vue – why can’t you build a frontend... 45:00 – Panelist adds in his comments/thoughts. 45:30 – Chuck: Anything else? 45:38 – Picks! Links: Flatiron School Our Courses – Flatiron School How We Built the Learn IDE in Browser – Medium Flatiron Labs Elixir – Flatiron Labs Elixir – Guards Kate Travers Kate Travers’ “Pattern Matching in Elixir” (3/14/18) Kate Travers’ Dev.to Kate Travers’ Twitter Kate Travers’ Talk on YouTube: “Pattern Matching: The Gateway to Loving Elixir – Code Elixir LDN 2018” Kate Travers’ Code Sync Ruby Elixir JavaScript Vue React Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Digital Ocean Code Badges Cache Fly Picks: Mark Ericksen Value Teach something to someone else. It helps you grow. Book - Leadership and Self Deception Josh Adams Ethdenver Charles SCALE Brunch Kate breakinto.tech Kusama: Infinity
Panel: Joe Eames Aaron Frost John Papa Special Guests: Jia Li In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talks with Jia Li about Zones.js. Check-out today’s episode to hear this topic plus more! Show Topics: 1:20 – What are zones? 1:25 – Jia: It is a library developed 4 years ago. 1:45 – Panelist: Execution context? What is this? 1:50 – Jia answers this question. 2:42 – I know it’s big in Angular because it kind of takes care of itself. What are the new things you have done in zones and let’s talk about that? 3:01 – Jia: I started contributing 2 years ago. About 1 year ago I was using Angular. I would like to talk about different 3:35 – Where are zones used in Angular – lots of people don’t know where it is. 3:48 – Jia: For four parts. 6:23 – What is this framework that you are talking about? Check-out the links for this framework. 6:42 – Panelists chime-in with their comments. 7:29 – Jia: It is a standalone package in Zone. 8:27 – Going back to John’s question. I only ran into it a few times – one time in one of my classes I made a new behavior subject. That subject got created before the zone. Anything I did outside of Angular zone, didn’t know what was going on. Once I stuck the behavior subject in one of the classes everything got taken care of. You kind of monkey patch... what else gets monkey patched by zones? 9:28 – Jia answers the question. 10:54 – Monkey-patch is a term that we use in this industry. What is it? 11:05 – Jia answers this question. Jia: Monkey patch basically is overriding the procedure for the API. 14:05 – What are some of the new things you are doing? I know you’ve done some new things and what’s new with Zones? 14:28 – Lia: It’s all about the performance. 16:55 – Panelist: I didn’t know all about these hooks – so that’s cool! I knew about handling errors, but I didn’t know there are different ways to work with the tasks. I am curious what kind of interesting things have you done with Zones as an Angular developer? 17:38 – Lia answers the questions. 19:15 – Debugging and tests are good for Zones. But it sounds like you are saying that Zones is not good for... 19:50 – Lia answers the question. 20:35 – Panelist: Sounds like Zones is doing what you need out of the box for... 20:51 – Panelist: You improved some of the performance? Zones doesn’t have that much of a footprint and is pretty lightweight. How much did you better the performance? 20-30%? 2:25 – Jia – I think the library is faster. There is a lot of garbage collection. It’s not that much. 22:47 – Advertisement – Code Badges! 23:38 – Panelist: So it will help with garbage collection. That is good to know. Cool to know that you can optimize such a small library with... 23:48 – Jia comments. 26:09 – Panelist: Gottcha. 26:16 – Jia continues this topic. Jia: A lot of new things are happening with the testing in the Zone. There are a lot of new features in the syntax. 27:35 – That is a nice feature to add back in. 27:43 – Jia continues the talk. 28:55 – Panelist: There are a lot of tests in this Repo. Do Zones generally work out of the box or do you have to add support for different things? What are the criteria to add support to? Blue Birds added to the list somehow. 29:32 – Jia answers this question. 30:03 – Panelist: Can the GIST team add support or only can the Zone team add it? 30:37 – Jia: Other teams can add support to their libraries. It’s public. 31:10 – Panelist: This is over my head, but is there a plan to get the documents going? 31:32 – Jia adds a comment. 31:41 – Panelist: Google this: What the heck is zones? An opposite side of the question: What would happen to Angular if you remove Zones.js? 32:10 – Jia answers this question. 332:37 – Zones is effectively how it works sweetly in Angular. It’s not totally true but if you remove Zones.js – which I see some people doing – why would someone do this? Is it heavy is it...? 33:20 – Jia answers the question. Jia: It’s not good for the Angular element. 34:29 – Panelist: It is an island of Angular. 34:54 – Jia continues this conversation. 35:10 – Panelist: That’s interesting – good to know. 35:18 – Jia: Back to the new features. 38:22 – Jia mentions another feature. 39:43 – JavaScript something haunts you – then you are now a real developer! 40:03 – Jia: Yes, exactly. 40:10 – Panelist: I am going to put some things in the links that the listeners can access. (NG Zone) 40:28 – Picks! 40:31 – Advertisement – Get a Coder Job Course Links: GitHub What is New in Zone.js Thriller Troopers Web Tracing Framework NG Zone Audible – Educated Real Talk – JavaScript The dark side of conferences Real Talk Java Script’s Twitter Jia Li’s LinkedIn Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Jia You Don’t Know JS Switching to Angular 2 Aaron Educated John Real Talk JavaScript https://twitter.com/realtalkjs The Dark Side of Conferences Joe The Developer Experience Bait and Switch
Panel: Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Special Guest: Kate Travers In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks to Kate Travers who was a student/apprentice with the Flatiron School and now is on staff as a software engineer. The panel and Kate talk about adopting Elixir at the Flatiron School and Pattern Matching. Watch Kate’s talks about the topic; links to these talks can be found below. Show Topics: 1:08– Hi from Kate Travers. 1:16 – Chuck: Background? 2:20 – Kate gives her background. 2:30 – Chuck: We had another Flatiron alum from an extra show. 2:44 – Kate: Yeah – she’s great! 2:48 – Chuck: Flatiron mostly focused on Ruby and JavaScript. Has that changed or? 3:02 – Kate: For the students we are teaching the Rails focus on the backend and React on the frontend. Times might be changing. What else is out there for functional curriculum? Our lead engineer is super motivated introducing some Elixir. Our engineering team might be the first to go in that arena. It would be absolutely fantastic to 4:02 – Chuck: Awesome! I would like to see the boot camps take on Elixir. 4:15 – Kate: Yeah, there are many benefits of doing that. 4:57 – Chuck: You see some Reactive, some... It is interesting to see how it comes together and 5:16 – Kate: Yeah we see this as a support – delivery of curriculum. When you start out you are writing in a functional style. You are essentially writing TLI scripts – functional manner. Now in the curriculum we are training people to think, and to get away from that script-way, and think in terms of objects. 6:11 – Panelist: I think that is interesting. Some of the difficulty of teaching Elixir is to UNLEARN some of their past education. Start teaching people FUNCTIONAL, might help. 7:04 – Chuck: I have been starting a new project... What is going on here? Oh yeah I have to think about it. 7:20 – Kate: Yes. We have spun up – we have one core Elixir project. We have been on that for a year. We have spun up some smaller projects. On these projects this is the first time these people have used Elixir. It is interesting to see the difficulties that they are seeing for the first time. 8:09 – Chuck: I want to talk to adoption for a bit. So as your school has made this transition, where are you seeing the (first of all) where is it easy to get buy in. How did Elixir get into Flatiron? 9:06 – Kate: It is not apart of the school’s curriculum. How we started using Elixir was because our technical lead he is super loud / elegant voice for this language. Elixir might solve some of the problems that we were facing. When we adopt new tech it’s because we have thought about it heavily. We don’t adopt new technologies “just because”. The perfect opportunity came up, so this lead into why and how Flatiron started using Elixir. Kate goes into more detail. 15:24 – Chuck: Learn.io – check out outside of the school? 15:35 – Kate: Yep! There is even some interview prep; also, intro to Ruby, intro to JavaScript, and someday intro to Elixir? 16:06 – Chuck: As you brining people into this how do you transfer them to Ruby to Elixir? Do you throw them into the deep end? 16:26 – Kate: Sure! If someone is interested we will. It is something our team tries to prioritize. Kate goes into more detail. 18:43 – Kate: We didn’t expect for these book clubs to keep going. We will do a little workshop as part of book club. 19:18 – Panelist: Question to Kate. 19:25 – Kate: Yes, so everyone has a NEW lead each week. Folks of ALL different experience levels. What is different about our team is that we have tons of people who LOVE to blog. If you check-it out as they are learning Elixir they are writing posts. 20:21 – Question. 20:29 – Kate answers the question. 20:49 – Chuck. 20:55 – Kate: Steven suggested a new way to cement the things you are learning. 21:28 – Chuck: Yeah – Flatiron labs. Now that I have been playing with Elixir with pattern matching. At first it’s scary stuff. 21:49 – Kate: It is a head-trip. 22:00 – Chuck: ...wait...wait... 22:10 – Kate: Multiple binding? 22:16 – Panelist: My first introduction to outer matching was seeing a... 22:39 – Kate: Great first introduction. Not the textbook example, you will get to see the real-world situation. Yeah that is a really, really good example. 23:05 – Panelist: Pattern matching for me became a superpower! It was my first real love of the language; before concurrency, and others. Pattern matching helped with a lot of the pains that I wouldn’t have to encounter. You are poking this big object to figure it out. Then it’s easier because if the shape matches, then it matches. Mental flip – and I get it! It felt like a superpower. I liked your talk, Kate, about pattern matching. 24:41 – Kate: Yeah, totally. Pattern matching. Like learning a musical instrument like a guitar. When you start learning something like this you have these high ambitions. You are learning to be a rock star and you want to be David Bowie. But when you start you couldn’t be further away from that goal. At the beginning you are learning chords and it’s so easy to think: “I am terrible, I suck...” you quit and never keep going. To prevent this you need a hook to keep you going. You just need to learn that really sick rift. Oh yeah, NOW I can start seeing my rock star abilities; same thing for Elixir. Pattern matching was my really sick rift. 27:38 – Panelist chimes-in. You have that excitement about the new language. But they get frustrated because they are a beginner. I do think that you nailed it there. If people can latch onto something fairly quickly, then it gives them a reason to keep coming back to learn more and more. 28:25 – Kate continues this conversation. 28:48 – Panelist. 28:54 – Advertisement – Code Badges! 29:32 – Chuck: Most important / interesting thing you’ve learned about pattern matching? 29:48 – Kate: It was the different things you can do with... 30:23 – Kate: The concept is that Elixir provides... 31:42 – Chuck: I didn’t know that you could do that! 31:56 – Kate: The benefit only comes from legibility. 32:13 – Panelist: Guard clauses and pattern matching. I think it would be a mess if I weren’t use Elixir. 32:31 – Kate: Yes, definitely. 33:10 – Panelist: Yes, my first project with Elixir... 34:47 – People should go and see your talk and it’s in the links. 35:00 – Kate: Thanks! Kate talks about dodging bullets and code. 36:04 – Chuck: have you seen other languages using/trying to use Pattern matching? 36:10 – Kate: Yeah, there are talks about Ruby and JavaScript for introducing proper pattern matching in BOTH languages. Ruby is interesting. I don’t know how much traction we have on these, but people seem really into program matching. 36:36 – Panelist: Yeah, I think people come to Elixir and see pattern matching and they get excited. 36:55 – Kate: Yeah, I would be interested to see if the proposals go through or not. There is a conference on my WATCH LIST and I want to see more about it. 37:26 – Panelist: It started off as a prologue that’s what you need. 37:37 – Kate: If it wasn’t designed that way in the beginning it will be a problem. If it’s not apart of the system in the beginning then it could be a problem. 38:14 – Chuck: Yeah, the flipside is... 38:34 – Panelists: I don’t know. 38:44 – Panelist: One of my concerns is object oriented programming. I imagine (nightmare) pattern matching in Ruby and all match onto this object – after it’s there – it’s inside my function – runs another thread – comes back to me – that object is modified and now it’s there, and not be completely invalid. It’s not RUBY anymore. 39:36 – Panelist: Pattern matching could bring them over and bring them over the gap. I am worried that if this is more widespread then we will hit a much worse. 40:06 – Kate and Panel: Yep! 40:12 – Chuck: Anything else about pattern matching and/or adopting Elixir? 40:18 – Kate: I don’t want to rush into this too quickly, but if we are on the topic of bringing people to Elixir. It came up at this conference. Ruby Rails coming over – RR refugees. The question that they post: People are hyped about Elixir about Phoenix. What is going to be the thing that brings people over? 41:15 – Panelist answers Kate’s question. 41:29 – You can’t do live Vue in other languages. If you are really experienced... 42:08 – Chuck: You have to learn 2 technologies. You can adopt a frontend and backend technology and you can get SOME of that. I know a lot of people are invested in the frontend technology or the backend. I think that is how you are going to convert. 42:43: Panelist chimes-in. Panelist’s friend asks: Is it an appropriate tool? 43:30 – Kate: Our team is super excited about it. Our team has mostly been working on the backend. We need to deliver on the frontend with updates. What if we had it – out of the box with Phoenix? Yeah people are over the moon. 44:06 – Chuck talks about what he is using. What if I didn’t have to do any of that garbage? 44:23 – Panelist: It is a NICE experience when you have to do it. 44:38 – Chuck: If you need a killer feature for React or Vue – why can’t you build a frontend... 45:00 – Panelist adds in his comments/thoughts. 45:30 – Chuck: Anything else? 45:38 – Picks! Links: Flatiron School Our Courses – Flatiron School How We Built the Learn IDE in Browser – Medium Flatiron Labs Elixir – Flatiron Labs Elixir – Guards Kate Travers Kate Travers’ “Pattern Matching in Elixir” (3/14/18) Kate Travers’ Dev.to Kate Travers’ Twitter Kate Travers’ Talk on YouTube: “Pattern Matching: The Gateway to Loving Elixir – Code Elixir LDN 2018” Kate Travers’ Code Sync Ruby Elixir JavaScript Vue React Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Digital Ocean Code Badges Cache Fly Picks: Mark Ericksen Value Teach something to someone else. It helps you grow. Book - Leadership and Self Deception Josh Adams Ethdenver Charles SCALE Brunch Kate breakinto.tech Kusama: Infinity
Panel: Joe Eames Aaron Frost John Papa Special Guests: Jia Li In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talks with Jia Li about Zones.js. Check-out today’s episode to hear this topic plus more! Show Topics: 1:20 – What are zones? 1:25 – Jia: It is a library developed 4 years ago. 1:45 – Panelist: Execution context? What is this? 1:50 – Jia answers this question. 2:42 – I know it’s big in Angular because it kind of takes care of itself. What are the new things you have done in zones and let’s talk about that? 3:01 – Jia: I started contributing 2 years ago. About 1 year ago I was using Angular. I would like to talk about different 3:35 – Where are zones used in Angular – lots of people don’t know where it is. 3:48 – Jia: For four parts. 6:23 – What is this framework that you are talking about? Check-out the links for this framework. 6:42 – Panelists chime-in with their comments. 7:29 – Jia: It is a standalone package in Zone. 8:27 – Going back to John’s question. I only ran into it a few times – one time in one of my classes I made a new behavior subject. That subject got created before the zone. Anything I did outside of Angular zone, didn’t know what was going on. Once I stuck the behavior subject in one of the classes everything got taken care of. You kind of monkey patch... what else gets monkey patched by zones? 9:28 – Jia answers the question. 10:54 – Monkey-patch is a term that we use in this industry. What is it? 11:05 – Jia answers this question. Jia: Monkey patch basically is overriding the procedure for the API. 14:05 – What are some of the new things you are doing? I know you’ve done some new things and what’s new with Zones? 14:28 – Lia: It’s all about the performance. 16:55 – Panelist: I didn’t know all about these hooks – so that’s cool! I knew about handling errors, but I didn’t know there are different ways to work with the tasks. I am curious what kind of interesting things have you done with Zones as an Angular developer? 17:38 – Lia answers the questions. 19:15 – Debugging and tests are good for Zones. But it sounds like you are saying that Zones is not good for... 19:50 – Lia answers the question. 20:35 – Panelist: Sounds like Zones is doing what you need out of the box for... 20:51 – Panelist: You improved some of the performance? Zones doesn’t have that much of a footprint and is pretty lightweight. How much did you better the performance? 20-30%? 2:25 – Jia – I think the library is faster. There is a lot of garbage collection. It’s not that much. 22:47 – Advertisement – Code Badges! 23:38 – Panelist: So it will help with garbage collection. That is good to know. Cool to know that you can optimize such a small library with... 23:48 – Jia comments. 26:09 – Panelist: Gottcha. 26:16 – Jia continues this topic. Jia: A lot of new things are happening with the testing in the Zone. There are a lot of new features in the syntax. 27:35 – That is a nice feature to add back in. 27:43 – Jia continues the talk. 28:55 – Panelist: There are a lot of tests in this Repo. Do Zones generally work out of the box or do you have to add support for different things? What are the criteria to add support to? Blue Birds added to the list somehow. 29:32 – Jia answers this question. 30:03 – Panelist: Can the GIST team add support or only can the Zone team add it? 30:37 – Jia: Other teams can add support to their libraries. It’s public. 31:10 – Panelist: This is over my head, but is there a plan to get the documents going? 31:32 – Jia adds a comment. 31:41 – Panelist: Google this: What the heck is zones? An opposite side of the question: What would happen to Angular if you remove Zones.js? 32:10 – Jia answers this question. 332:37 – Zones is effectively how it works sweetly in Angular. It’s not totally true but if you remove Zones.js – which I see some people doing – why would someone do this? Is it heavy is it...? 33:20 – Jia answers the question. Jia: It’s not good for the Angular element. 34:29 – Panelist: It is an island of Angular. 34:54 – Jia continues this conversation. 35:10 – Panelist: That’s interesting – good to know. 35:18 – Jia: Back to the new features. 38:22 – Jia mentions another feature. 39:43 – JavaScript something haunts you – then you are now a real developer! 40:03 – Jia: Yes, exactly. 40:10 – Panelist: I am going to put some things in the links that the listeners can access. (NG Zone) 40:28 – Picks! 40:31 – Advertisement – Get a Coder Job Course Links: GitHub What is New in Zone.js Thriller Troopers Web Tracing Framework NG Zone Audible – Educated Real Talk – JavaScript The dark side of conferences Real Talk Java Script’s Twitter Jia Li’s LinkedIn Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Jia You Don’t Know JS Switching to Angular 2 Aaron Educated John Real Talk JavaScript https://twitter.com/realtalkjs The Dark Side of Conferences Joe The Developer Experience Bait and Switch
Panel: Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Joe Eames Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett John Papa Special Guest: No Guest(s) In this episode, the panel talks amongst themselves on the topic: how does one contribute to opensource work? They discuss their various ways that they contribute, such as speaking at conferences, recording videos for YouTube, podcasting, among others. Check-out today’s episode to get some insight and inspiration of how YOU can contribute to YOUR community! Show Topics: 1:31 – Erik: Contributing to opensource – and being a good resource for the community. Contributing and still making a living. If people want to make this more sustainable and doing work for the community. 2:26 – Chuck: What do you been by “contributing” – because people could think that “code contributions” would be it. 2:50 – Erik: Answering people’s questions in a chat, code contributions, or doing a podcast or doing a blog posts. I think there are a lot of ways to contribute. Really anything to make their lives and work easier. 3:33 – Panelist: Can we go around and ask the panel individually what THEY do? It could be as simple as mentoring someone at your work. I’m curious to see what the panelist members have done. Sometimes you can get paid for those contributions. 4:40 – Panelist: I am super scared to contribute source code. I really love organizing things: Meetups, conferences, etc. That’s my favorite sort of work. It is also terrifying, though, too. Educational content and organizing conferences are my favorite ways to contribute. 6:10 – Panelist: Why is that attractive for you? 6:22 – Panelist: That’s a good question. I’ve already started planning for the 2022 conference. It’s very physical – there are people that are present. Very direct interaction. My second favorite is sometimes I will teach at local boot camp, and the topic is about interviewing. There is interaction there, too. 8:32 – Panelist: Why do you think organizing conferences is useful? 8:46 – Panelist: Top way is that I will hear stories after the fact. “Oh I came to the conference, met this person, and now I have a new job that pays 30% more...thank you!” Stories like that are rewarding. It’s a ripple effect. A conference the main thing you are putting out there are videos (main product) going to YouTube. The people that are there, at the conference, are interacting people and they are making friends and making contacts. It inspires them to do better. John Papa just goes out there to talk into the hallway. You can talk to Chris Fritz in the hall. Make yourself available. You are the celebrities and people want to meet you. 12:20 – Panel talks about how desperate they are to talk to Chris. 12:36 – Panelist: Going to conferences and meeting other people. 13:08 – Panelist: Taking part of conferences in other ways. That’s something that you do Divya Sasidharan? 13:33 – Divya: It depends on your personality. You get to speak as a speaker, because you get visibility fast. I don’t think you don’t have to speak if you don’t want to speak. Anything within your community that is beneficial. Or the one-to-one interactions are great. Having a conversation with another person that cannot respond. It’s nice to give a speech because it’s a one-way conversation. I like the preparation part of it. The delivery is the nerves, afterwards is a high because it’s over with. I really like writing demos. For the demos I put in a lot of time into it. It gives me the space and time constraint to work on those demos. 16:10 – Do you like the preparation or the delivery? 16:20 – Preparation part that I do not like as much because it is nerve-wrecking, and then the anticipation to go up there on stage. 16:55 – Panelist: I am nervous until when it starts. Once I start talking – well that’s it! Can’t go back now. 17:26 – John: I have given a few talks at a conference. 17:39 – Panelist: Doing good and contributing. I knew John Papa when he was in Microsoft in 2000/2001. I read about it. Everyone knew about him. It would be so GREAT to meet John Papa, and now we are friends! We get to talk about personal stuff and I learn from him. 18:42 – Chris: I have had moments like that, too. Act like they are a normal person. 19:01 – Chuck: After I walk off the stage people want to talk to me afterwards. 19:24 – John: For my personal style, I learn about talking at conferences. I spend a lot of times building a demo. I don’t spend a lot of times with decks. I work on the code, the talk separately. I whip that up quickly, so I don’t This is the story I am going to tell – that’s what I tell myself before I do a talk at a conference. Afterwards, people come up to you years later – and they give you these awesome feedback comments. It’s a huge reward and very fulfilling. There was someone in this world you were able to impact. That’s why I like teaching. I watch the sessions on YouTube. I want to have deep conversations with people. You are missing out if you aren’t talking to people at the conference. 23:26 – Panelist: Yeah, I agree. I do a lot of YouTube videos. I write a blog for a few years on Node and such. Then I got into videos, and helping new developers. Videos on Vue.js. Like you, Joe, I try to combine the two. If I can help myself, and OTHERS, that is great. I promote my own courses, my own affiliate links. It’s really fun talking in front of a video camera. Talking through something complex and making it simple. 24:52 – Panelist: Creating videos vs. speaking at a conference. 25:02 – Panelist: My bucket list is to do my conferences. I want to start putting out proposals. Easiest thing for me is to make videos. I used to do 20 takes before I was happy, but now I do one take and that’s it. 256:00 – Sounds like lower effort. You don’t have to ask anyone for permission to do a YouTube video. 26:21 – Panelist: Even if you are a beginner, then you can probably help others, too. At first, you feel like you are talking to yourself. If anything else, you are learning and you are getting experience. The ruby ducky programming. Talking to something that cannot respond to you. 27:11 – Like when I write a... 27:29 – Check out duck punching, and Paul Irish. 28:00 – Digital Ocean 28:42 – The creativity of doing YouTube videos. Is that rewarding to be creative or the organization? What part do you like in the creation process? 29:23 – I think a blog you have text you can be funny you can make the text interesting. With videos it’s a whole new world of teaching. YouTubers teaching certain concepts. There are other people that have awesome animations. If I wanted to talk about a topic and do something simple or talk outside – there are a ton of different ways 31:10 – Panelist: Some times I just want to go off and be creative; hats-off to you. 31:28 – Panelist: I have tried to do a course with time stamps and certain 32:00 – D: Do you have a process of how you want to create your videos – what is your process? 32:22 – Panelist: I have a list of topics that I want to talk about. Then when I record it then I have a cheat sheet and I just go. Other people do other things, though. Like sketches and story boarding. 33:16 – D: Fun, fun, function. He has poster boards that he holds up and stuff. 33:36 – Panelist: People who listen to this podcast might be interested in podcasting? 33:54 – Panelist: Anyone who runs a podcast, Chuck? 34:16 – Chuck: When I started podcasting – I initially had to edit and publish – but now I pay someone to do it. It is a lot more work than it is. All you have to do is record and have a decent microphone, and put it out there. 35:18 – Panelist: It’s a labor of love. You almost lost your house because at first it wasn’t profitable. 35:45 – Chuck: Yeah for the most part we have it figured it out. Even then, we have 12 shows on the network on DevChat TV. 3 more I want to start and I want to put those on YouTube. Some people want to be on a new show with me. We will see. 36:37 – Chuck: I have a lot of people who asked about Python. We all come together and talk about what we are doing and seeing. It’s the water cooler discussion that people can hear for themselves. The conversation that you wish you could have to talk to experts. 38:03 – Podcasts provide that if you cannot get that at a conference? 38:16 – Conference talks are a little bit more prepared. We can go deeper in a podcast interview, because we can bring them back. You can get as involved as you want. It’s also 38:53 – Chuck: Podcasting is good if there is good content and it’s regular. 39:09 – Panelist: What is GOOD content? 39:20 – Chuck: There are different things people want. Generally they want something like: Staying Current Staying on the Edge When you go into the content it’s the host(s). I identify the way this host says THIS a certain way or that person says something THAT Way. That is all community connection. We do give people an introduction to topics that they might not hear anywhere else. With a Podcast if something new comes up we can interview someone THIS week and publish next week. Always staying current. 41:36 – Chuck: A lot of things go into it and community connection and staying current. 41:52 – Panelist: How to get started in EACH of the things we talked about. How do we try to get paid for some of these things? So we can provide value to communities. Talking about money sometimes is taboo. 43:36 – Panelist: Those are full topics all in by themselves. 43:55 – Chuck: Sustainability – let’s talk about that. I think we can enter into that 44:15 – Panelist: How do you decide what’s for free and what you are charging? How do you decide? 44:55 – Joe: I think one thing to start off is the best way to operate – do it because you feel like it needs to be done. The money follows. The minute you start solving people’s problems, money will follow. It’s good to think about the money, but don’t be obsessed. React conference. The react team didn’t want to do the conference, but it’s got to happen. The money happened afterwards. The money follows. Look for opportunities. Think ahead and be the responsible one. 47:28 – Panelist: If you want to setup a Meetup then go to... 47:45 – Panelist: I bet if you went to a Meet up and said you want to help – they would love that. 47:59 – Panelist: Yes, do something that is valuable. But events you will have a budget. Is it important to have money afterwards or try to break even? 48:38 – Joe: I think having money after the conference is just fine. The #1 thing is that if you are passionate about the project then you will make decisions to get that project out there. I can’t spend 500+ hours on something that it won’t help me pay my mortgage. 51:29 – Panelist: It’s not greedy to want money. 51:46 – Panelist: It’s a very thankless job. Many people don’t know how much effort goes into a conference. It’s a pain. People like Joe will put in 90 hours a week to pull off a conference. It’s a very, very difficult job. 53:42 – Panelist: Question to Divya. 54:00 – Divya: I have only been speaking for about a year now. For me, I feel this need to speak at different events to get my name out there. You wan the visibility, access to community and other benefits. These things trump the speaker’s fee. As I get more experience then I will look for a speaker’s fee. This fee is a baseline to make sure that you are given value for your time and effort. Most conferences do pay for your hotel and transportation. 56:58 – Panelist: How much is worth it to me to go and speak? Even if at the lower level; but someone who is a luminary in the field (John Papa). But for me it’s worth it. I am willing to spend my own dime. 58:14 – Panelist: John? 58:37 – John: You learn the most when you listen. I am impressed on your perspectives. Yes, early on you’ve got to get your brand out there. It’s an honor to speak then I’m honored. Do I have time? Will my family be okay if I am gone 3-4 days? Is this something that will have an impact in some way? Will I make connections? Will I be able to help the community? There is nothing wrong with saying I need to be paid X for that speech. It’s all of the blood, sweat, and tears that go into it. 1:01:30 – Panelist chimes in. I run conferences we cannot even cover their travel costs. Other conferences we can cover their travel costs; and everything in-between. There is nothing wrong with that. 1:02:11 – You have to be financially sound. Many of us do workshops, too. 1:02:59 – How do you get paid for podcasting? 1:03:11 – Chuck: I do get crap for having ads in the podcast. Nobody knows how much editing goes into one episode. It takes money for hosting, and finding guests, and it costs through Zoom. The amount of time it takes to produce these 12 shows is time-consuming. If you want to get something sponsored. Go approach companies and see. Once you get larger 5-10,000 listeners then that’s when you can pay your car payment. It’s a labor of love at first. The moral is that you WANT to do what you are doing. 1:06:11 – Advertisement. 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks amongst themselves the topic: “When to Build, or When to Buy.” They discuss how time is limited, and whether it is worth their time to build their own app/software or to just purchase. They discuss the pros and cons of each. Check-out today’s episode for more details! Show Topics: 1:40 – Chuck: Anything that prompted choosing this topic? 2:13 – Dave: I am not a huge stickler of keeping tracks of things. With a new car, I wanted to start this off right. I wanted an app to show history of car. I wanted a simple view and wanted to take pictures of receipts. I didn’t find anything out there that I liked. Do I want to write a web application? 3:29 – Dave: I am going to write this app. There is a lot of the new technology, so I can keep up-to-date with real world technologies, with the act of storage. Keeping my skills sharp. Solving a real world need that I have. 4:06 – Panelist: Funny thing. That is a decision that has evolved with me. As a younger developer I would build everything that I could. I thought: “I have to own this,” I thought I have to have total control of this. This is for me. I try to buy everything that I can. There is only so much time in the day. Let’s point the question back to Dave. Are you more in the process of creation? 5:19: Dave: It fits to my needs. I don’t need something overly complicated. I think we often find situations where there is a justifiable case to build it then to buy it. If you buy it you have little control over the features and other things. What’s important to you is not important to others. So you will have to find a company that will meet your needs. You bring up an interesting topic and that’s data. 7:29 – Chuck: You are talking about the level of control. Eric this might sound familiar with sponsorship and so on. Eric said: Dude you are a developer. There is nothing out there that I need so I have to build it. I opt to trying to buy it if I can. 8:35 – Panelist: Yes, definitely. By focusing all of my attention on an application that won’t give me an ROI. Leave that other stuff to much smarter than me in that domain. 9:24: Panelist: I agree. If it is a core part of your business than, if you are buying, that might be a disadvantage. For example... I used a service called IMPROVLY. 12:00 – Chuck: it might not give you the control that you want, but if it can get you most of the way there then it will eventually move up in priority. 12:33 – Panelist: Look at utilities that support you, then that’s where MVPs can come into play. One limited, viable product. For example, the app tracker for my cars. I just wanted something simple. Some of the extra bells and whistles can come later. Something like code fund – there is a lot of expected features. There is so much business that goes into it. When I have time to build that stuff in then I will do that later. If it is too feature-rich then they will overwhelm themselves. They try to do everything today. Often that could lead to bad code, things not working properly. You save time by doing it right the first time. I think you have to really gauge what is your MVP? What can I do to make this functional? Then add in the features within the application. 15:19 – Panelist: When you decide to build – how much influence past products to drive your development. 15:38 – I say a ton, because then you are going to be reinventing the wheel. You OWN interpretation to things is fine. There is only so many ways to build something. See what people want and what they need. 16:15 – Panelist: It tends to muddy the developing waters a bit. I like to approach things not knowing what the competitors are doing. Then you aren’t constrained by past examples. I approach it as: How would I want to approach this by an individual so I am not blurred by competitors. 18:05 – Chuck: I build a feature I need and then ask myself: How do I put this together? What I need – I know what the outcomes need to be. At the end of the day I am looking for a model to provide what I need. In both of those cases. 18:44 – Panelist: Yes, having a good knowledge of the domain is good. It is more fun to build, right? 19:37 – Is it fun to build or is it to integrate? I like integrations better. 20:13 – Chuck: I have recently been integrating ZAPIER. 21:12 – Panelist: There are some things I will stay away from. I want to keep things with the specialists. If that means I am paying for the fees to use a third-party. 21:56 – Yes, 100%. You have to ask yourself: How lazy are you with X? 23:08 – If Twitter goes down then what? Have multiple options. You need to have other ways to authenticate in that area. So that means you have to be developing in... I think that will come down to your business needs. It will help the workflow, and help you make decisions If you are pinning yourself into a corner on time and resources. I think it’s sad that that has to be said. But look at other applications out there that are pinned into corners. People didn’t think of what they would need in the future. I am not saying that my products aren’t exempt form that. 25:52 – How do you qualify a good buy? This hits my criteria for the buy. 26:06 – If it’s providing a value. Not just this month but the following month – is this going to be worth the value. Mail hosting. This is worth it to me. There is so much hassle that goes into it. Then I have to maintain it. My business is hurting because I am focused somewhere else. I want to be able to answer emails from people. Focusing on the products that I am providing. Do I need to pay someone to support 27:35 – Panelist: The speed to integration and the speed to usage. It’s all about the pain. How much pain will there be to build one? Hire the laziest person possible. I pride myself being an extra lazy developer. I can I build the best thing in the least amount of time. Time with my brother in the past has shown me this. Perhaps the type of developer we are determines the answer to that question. I like to get code out the door more than create the code. What about you guys? 28:56 – Chuck: I like building it but I LOVE shipping it. 29:07 – I like creating it. Shipping part is the “I finished it.” Getting from nothing to something. Shipping is like the celebration for me. 29:32 – Digital Ocean Advertisement. 30:10 – It’s not to say that I don’t buy things, cause I do. The amount of software that I buy outweighs the ones I build. My time is limited. I do need control over the data. We were struggling a few years ago financially. I need a thumb drive and we fought on whether or not we could buy that. Finances are intimate details. If that information was stolen, so I built my own we application in my business to hold our finance data records. We wanted complete control over that. I saw that that it was a wise investment of my time. I had insecurities about that information leaked or stolen. Now we have too many thumb drives. 32:31 – I bought a thumb drive years ago for it and paid $50-60 for that. Which is insane. 32:55- Chuck: Build vs. Buy topic has been covered very well, so far. When you are building, which features to prioritize? Building features – which one to prioritize? 33:47 – It would be less impactful to your client base. You have sponsors and signing up for the show. The listeners could be returning guests. But your sponsors are coming on ALL the time. Feature rich platform for them. You want them to enjoy using your product. I think that would be the most important. Having something for your scheduling. It doesn’t have to be feature rich. But 34:43 – Chuck: I understand the trade-offs. Anything I can do to make the system automatic then that helps. Some people want some LIVE episodes. That leads the sponsorship into the content production stuff. Beyond telling Eric, my editor, where to put the ads within the episode. 36:52 – Panelist chimes in. 37:15 – They want the testimonial. The other end to that when we started off we got sponsors because we were novel. We were a different take on Ruby. The market has changed. Things change. Then it was okay well Ruby Rogues was a great way to meet developers. You can do conferences but you reach a lot of people in one week. Some of our sponsors early on - they past their ROI. Podcast market has changed. Some of this feedback has made me rethink things. The market has changed. People want to hear the personal touch and the personal message. They want to hear how these things are being run and how to fix the bugs. Just being aware of the needs and how the needs change. It is easy to get comfortable. Then it turns out jQuery doesn’t always cut the mustard anymore. But maybe it does? If you get comfortable then you will pay for it. 39:58 – So true. Like Code Fund. Blog Post: What is Keeping Me Up At Night? 41:11 – Chuck: Even their needs have changed. That feedback is crucial. It’s not just about keeping tabs on this stuff. Why are you loosing the publisher? Are you getting the feedback that you need. I am have gotten critiques from Eric and other people. Oh ok, let me change the packing to serve their needs. Kind of roll with the punches. If you aren’t talking back to your customers then there will be issues. 42:18 – Panelist: Side topic of how do you receive feedback? Some people there is a small minority that will bash you. They won’t give you constructive feedback. They are being a mean person. Having a good attitude is going to help with the feedback to make your product better. 43:15 – Chuck: Nobody wants to have that confrontation. 43:30 – I have grown to appreciate humanity. When you are asking them about: why did you leave? I see that they’ve read it 4-5 times but they didn’t hit reply. Am I doing this? Am I not doing this? 45:11 – Getting the opinions out there can help you if you can find the positive twist to even negative comments. 45:44 – How can this feedback make me a better person, podcaster or better in general? You can find that in the nastiest feedback that you may receive. 46:29 – But on the flipside – if you decide to buy – make the feedback constructive. Honestly 46:56 – I had a similar experience. Geekbot. I just bought it and I love it. They do daily standups on Geekbot. They kept skipping days. But they asked for me to try again, I di and I am glad that I did! 48:49 – Panelist: When you are talking about building your own software and you get that feedback it’s important not to be a person pleaser. If it doesn’t help ALL then it’s something you might NOT wan to build it. I t has to be globally beneficial. Do the right thing. I 50:49 – Chuck: Anything else? 51:01 – To UNSUBSCRIBE make them fill out a long form before you leave. One more kick to the groin. 51:17 – Chuck: Subject Line: Please Piss Me Off. How can we make this more effective? 51:40 – I send them weekly stats. I solicit through that e-mail. 52:00 – I think the point is that most people who buy software are HEARD and that they are a valuable customer. Their voice does matter. You want to solve their problems in a least expensive way. 52:36 – Chuck: Making it SUPER easy for them. 53:18 – Final thought about building: if someone has to leave your application, to do the task at hand, then your app is missing some core feature(s) that your users are wanting. 54:27 – Picks! 54:32 – Advertisement for Get a Coder Job! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Zapier Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Dave Shapeoko Eric Geekbot Polymail Airbrake Charles My Ruby Story Podcasts Orlando - FinCon or Microsoft Ignite MeetUp Park City Meetup
Panel: Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Joe Eames Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett John Papa Special Guest: No Guest(s) In this episode, the panel talks amongst themselves on the topic: how does one contribute to opensource work? They discuss their various ways that they contribute, such as speaking at conferences, recording videos for YouTube, podcasting, among others. Check-out today’s episode to get some insight and inspiration of how YOU can contribute to YOUR community! Show Topics: 1:31 – Erik: Contributing to opensource – and being a good resource for the community. Contributing and still making a living. If people want to make this more sustainable and doing work for the community. 2:26 – Chuck: What do you been by “contributing” – because people could think that “code contributions” would be it. 2:50 – Erik: Answering people’s questions in a chat, code contributions, or doing a podcast or doing a blog posts. I think there are a lot of ways to contribute. Really anything to make their lives and work easier. 3:33 – Panelist: Can we go around and ask the panel individually what THEY do? It could be as simple as mentoring someone at your work. I’m curious to see what the panelist members have done. Sometimes you can get paid for those contributions. 4:40 – Panelist: I am super scared to contribute source code. I really love organizing things: Meetups, conferences, etc. That’s my favorite sort of work. It is also terrifying, though, too. Educational content and organizing conferences are my favorite ways to contribute. 6:10 – Panelist: Why is that attractive for you? 6:22 – Panelist: That’s a good question. I’ve already started planning for the 2022 conference. It’s very physical – there are people that are present. Very direct interaction. My second favorite is sometimes I will teach at local boot camp, and the topic is about interviewing. There is interaction there, too. 8:32 – Panelist: Why do you think organizing conferences is useful? 8:46 – Panelist: Top way is that I will hear stories after the fact. “Oh I came to the conference, met this person, and now I have a new job that pays 30% more...thank you!” Stories like that are rewarding. It’s a ripple effect. A conference the main thing you are putting out there are videos (main product) going to YouTube. The people that are there, at the conference, are interacting people and they are making friends and making contacts. It inspires them to do better. John Papa just goes out there to talk into the hallway. You can talk to Chris Fritz in the hall. Make yourself available. You are the celebrities and people want to meet you. 12:20 – Panel talks about how desperate they are to talk to Chris. 12:36 – Panelist: Going to conferences and meeting other people. 13:08 – Panelist: Taking part of conferences in other ways. That’s something that you do Divya Sasidharan? 13:33 – Divya: It depends on your personality. You get to speak as a speaker, because you get visibility fast. I don’t think you don’t have to speak if you don’t want to speak. Anything within your community that is beneficial. Or the one-to-one interactions are great. Having a conversation with another person that cannot respond. It’s nice to give a speech because it’s a one-way conversation. I like the preparation part of it. The delivery is the nerves, afterwards is a high because it’s over with. I really like writing demos. For the demos I put in a lot of time into it. It gives me the space and time constraint to work on those demos. 16:10 – Do you like the preparation or the delivery? 16:20 – Preparation part that I do not like as much because it is nerve-wrecking, and then the anticipation to go up there on stage. 16:55 – Panelist: I am nervous until when it starts. Once I start talking – well that’s it! Can’t go back now. 17:26 – John: I have given a few talks at a conference. 17:39 – Panelist: Doing good and contributing. I knew John Papa when he was in Microsoft in 2000/2001. I read about it. Everyone knew about him. It would be so GREAT to meet John Papa, and now we are friends! We get to talk about personal stuff and I learn from him. 18:42 – Chris: I have had moments like that, too. Act like they are a normal person. 19:01 – Chuck: After I walk off the stage people want to talk to me afterwards. 19:24 – John: For my personal style, I learn about talking at conferences. I spend a lot of times building a demo. I don’t spend a lot of times with decks. I work on the code, the talk separately. I whip that up quickly, so I don’t This is the story I am going to tell – that’s what I tell myself before I do a talk at a conference. Afterwards, people come up to you years later – and they give you these awesome feedback comments. It’s a huge reward and very fulfilling. There was someone in this world you were able to impact. That’s why I like teaching. I watch the sessions on YouTube. I want to have deep conversations with people. You are missing out if you aren’t talking to people at the conference. 23:26 – Panelist: Yeah, I agree. I do a lot of YouTube videos. I write a blog for a few years on Node and such. Then I got into videos, and helping new developers. Videos on Vue.js. Like you, Joe, I try to combine the two. If I can help myself, and OTHERS, that is great. I promote my own courses, my own affiliate links. It’s really fun talking in front of a video camera. Talking through something complex and making it simple. 24:52 – Panelist: Creating videos vs. speaking at a conference. 25:02 – Panelist: My bucket list is to do my conferences. I want to start putting out proposals. Easiest thing for me is to make videos. I used to do 20 takes before I was happy, but now I do one take and that’s it. 256:00 – Sounds like lower effort. You don’t have to ask anyone for permission to do a YouTube video. 26:21 – Panelist: Even if you are a beginner, then you can probably help others, too. At first, you feel like you are talking to yourself. If anything else, you are learning and you are getting experience. The ruby ducky programming. Talking to something that cannot respond to you. 27:11 – Like when I write a... 27:29 – Check out duck punching, and Paul Irish. 28:00 – Digital Ocean 28:42 – The creativity of doing YouTube videos. Is that rewarding to be creative or the organization? What part do you like in the creation process? 29:23 – I think a blog you have text you can be funny you can make the text interesting. With videos it’s a whole new world of teaching. YouTubers teaching certain concepts. There are other people that have awesome animations. If I wanted to talk about a topic and do something simple or talk outside – there are a ton of different ways 31:10 – Panelist: Some times I just want to go off and be creative; hats-off to you. 31:28 – Panelist: I have tried to do a course with time stamps and certain 32:00 – D: Do you have a process of how you want to create your videos – what is your process? 32:22 – Panelist: I have a list of topics that I want to talk about. Then when I record it then I have a cheat sheet and I just go. Other people do other things, though. Like sketches and story boarding. 33:16 – D: Fun, fun, function. He has poster boards that he holds up and stuff. 33:36 – Panelist: People who listen to this podcast might be interested in podcasting? 33:54 – Panelist: Anyone who runs a podcast, Chuck? 34:16 – Chuck: When I started podcasting – I initially had to edit and publish – but now I pay someone to do it. It is a lot more work than it is. All you have to do is record and have a decent microphone, and put it out there. 35:18 – Panelist: It’s a labor of love. You almost lost your house because at first it wasn’t profitable. 35:45 – Chuck: Yeah for the most part we have it figured it out. Even then, we have 12 shows on the network on DevChat TV. 3 more I want to start and I want to put those on YouTube. Some people want to be on a new show with me. We will see. 36:37 – Chuck: I have a lot of people who asked about Python. We all come together and talk about what we are doing and seeing. It’s the water cooler discussion that people can hear for themselves. The conversation that you wish you could have to talk to experts. 38:03 – Podcasts provide that if you cannot get that at a conference? 38:16 – Conference talks are a little bit more prepared. We can go deeper in a podcast interview, because we can bring them back. You can get as involved as you want. It’s also 38:53 – Chuck: Podcasting is good if there is good content and it’s regular. 39:09 – Panelist: What is GOOD content? 39:20 – Chuck: There are different things people want. Generally they want something like: Staying Current Staying on the Edge When you go into the content it’s the host(s). I identify the way this host says THIS a certain way or that person says something THAT Way. That is all community connection. We do give people an introduction to topics that they might not hear anywhere else. With a Podcast if something new comes up we can interview someone THIS week and publish next week. Always staying current. 41:36 – Chuck: A lot of things go into it and community connection and staying current. 41:52 – Panelist: How to get started in EACH of the things we talked about. How do we try to get paid for some of these things? So we can provide value to communities. Talking about money sometimes is taboo. 43:36 – Panelist: Those are full topics all in by themselves. 43:55 – Chuck: Sustainability – let’s talk about that. I think we can enter into that 44:15 – Panelist: How do you decide what’s for free and what you are charging? How do you decide? 44:55 – Joe: I think one thing to start off is the best way to operate – do it because you feel like it needs to be done. The money follows. The minute you start solving people’s problems, money will follow. It’s good to think about the money, but don’t be obsessed. React conference. The react team didn’t want to do the conference, but it’s got to happen. The money happened afterwards. The money follows. Look for opportunities. Think ahead and be the responsible one. 47:28 – Panelist: If you want to setup a Meetup then go to... 47:45 – Panelist: I bet if you went to a Meet up and said you want to help – they would love that. 47:59 – Panelist: Yes, do something that is valuable. But events you will have a budget. Is it important to have money afterwards or try to break even? 48:38 – Joe: I think having money after the conference is just fine. The #1 thing is that if you are passionate about the project then you will make decisions to get that project out there. I can’t spend 500+ hours on something that it won’t help me pay my mortgage. 51:29 – Panelist: It’s not greedy to want money. 51:46 – Panelist: It’s a very thankless job. Many people don’t know how much effort goes into a conference. It’s a pain. People like Joe will put in 90 hours a week to pull off a conference. It’s a very, very difficult job. 53:42 – Panelist: Question to Divya. 54:00 – Divya: I have only been speaking for about a year now. For me, I feel this need to speak at different events to get my name out there. You wan the visibility, access to community and other benefits. These things trump the speaker’s fee. As I get more experience then I will look for a speaker’s fee. This fee is a baseline to make sure that you are given value for your time and effort. Most conferences do pay for your hotel and transportation. 56:58 – Panelist: How much is worth it to me to go and speak? Even if at the lower level; but someone who is a luminary in the field (John Papa). But for me it’s worth it. I am willing to spend my own dime. 58:14 – Panelist: John? 58:37 – John: You learn the most when you listen. I am impressed on your perspectives. Yes, early on you’ve got to get your brand out there. It’s an honor to speak then I’m honored. Do I have time? Will my family be okay if I am gone 3-4 days? Is this something that will have an impact in some way? Will I make connections? Will I be able to help the community? There is nothing wrong with saying I need to be paid X for that speech. It’s all of the blood, sweat, and tears that go into it. 1:01:30 – Panelist chimes in. I run conferences we cannot even cover their travel costs. Other conferences we can cover their travel costs; and everything in-between. There is nothing wrong with that. 1:02:11 – You have to be financially sound. Many of us do workshops, too. 1:02:59 – How do you get paid for podcasting? 1:03:11 – Chuck: I do get crap for having ads in the podcast. Nobody knows how much editing goes into one episode. It takes money for hosting, and finding guests, and it costs through Zoom. The amount of time it takes to produce these 12 shows is time-consuming. If you want to get something sponsored. Go approach companies and see. Once you get larger 5-10,000 listeners then that’s when you can pay your car payment. It’s a labor of love at first. The moral is that you WANT to do what you are doing. 1:06:11 – Advertisement. 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks amongst themselves the topic: “When to Build, or When to Buy.” They discuss how time is limited, and whether it is worth their time to build their own app/software or to just purchase. They discuss the pros and cons of each. Check-out today’s episode for more details! Show Topics: 1:40 – Chuck: Anything that prompted choosing this topic? 2:13 – Dave: I am not a huge stickler of keeping tracks of things. With a new car, I wanted to start this off right. I wanted an app to show history of car. I wanted a simple view and wanted to take pictures of receipts. I didn’t find anything out there that I liked. Do I want to write a web application? 3:29 – Dave: I am going to write this app. There is a lot of the new technology, so I can keep up-to-date with real world technologies, with the act of storage. Keeping my skills sharp. Solving a real world need that I have. 4:06 – Panelist: Funny thing. That is a decision that has evolved with me. As a younger developer I would build everything that I could. I thought: “I have to own this,” I thought I have to have total control of this. This is for me. I try to buy everything that I can. There is only so much time in the day. Let’s point the question back to Dave. Are you more in the process of creation? 5:19: Dave: It fits to my needs. I don’t need something overly complicated. I think we often find situations where there is a justifiable case to build it then to buy it. If you buy it you have little control over the features and other things. What’s important to you is not important to others. So you will have to find a company that will meet your needs. You bring up an interesting topic and that’s data. 7:29 – Chuck: You are talking about the level of control. Eric this might sound familiar with sponsorship and so on. Eric said: Dude you are a developer. There is nothing out there that I need so I have to build it. I opt to trying to buy it if I can. 8:35 – Panelist: Yes, definitely. By focusing all of my attention on an application that won’t give me an ROI. Leave that other stuff to much smarter than me in that domain. 9:24: Panelist: I agree. If it is a core part of your business than, if you are buying, that might be a disadvantage. For example... I used a service called IMPROVLY. 12:00 – Chuck: it might not give you the control that you want, but if it can get you most of the way there then it will eventually move up in priority. 12:33 – Panelist: Look at utilities that support you, then that’s where MVPs can come into play. One limited, viable product. For example, the app tracker for my cars. I just wanted something simple. Some of the extra bells and whistles can come later. Something like code fund – there is a lot of expected features. There is so much business that goes into it. When I have time to build that stuff in then I will do that later. If it is too feature-rich then they will overwhelm themselves. They try to do everything today. Often that could lead to bad code, things not working properly. You save time by doing it right the first time. I think you have to really gauge what is your MVP? What can I do to make this functional? Then add in the features within the application. 15:19 – Panelist: When you decide to build – how much influence past products to drive your development. 15:38 – I say a ton, because then you are going to be reinventing the wheel. You OWN interpretation to things is fine. There is only so many ways to build something. See what people want and what they need. 16:15 – Panelist: It tends to muddy the developing waters a bit. I like to approach things not knowing what the competitors are doing. Then you aren’t constrained by past examples. I approach it as: How would I want to approach this by an individual so I am not blurred by competitors. 18:05 – Chuck: I build a feature I need and then ask myself: How do I put this together? What I need – I know what the outcomes need to be. At the end of the day I am looking for a model to provide what I need. In both of those cases. 18:44 – Panelist: Yes, having a good knowledge of the domain is good. It is more fun to build, right? 19:37 – Is it fun to build or is it to integrate? I like integrations better. 20:13 – Chuck: I have recently been integrating ZAPIER. 21:12 – Panelist: There are some things I will stay away from. I want to keep things with the specialists. If that means I am paying for the fees to use a third-party. 21:56 – Yes, 100%. You have to ask yourself: How lazy are you with X? 23:08 – If Twitter goes down then what? Have multiple options. You need to have other ways to authenticate in that area. So that means you have to be developing in... I think that will come down to your business needs. It will help the workflow, and help you make decisions If you are pinning yourself into a corner on time and resources. I think it’s sad that that has to be said. But look at other applications out there that are pinned into corners. People didn’t think of what they would need in the future. I am not saying that my products aren’t exempt form that. 25:52 – How do you qualify a good buy? This hits my criteria for the buy. 26:06 – If it’s providing a value. Not just this month but the following month – is this going to be worth the value. Mail hosting. This is worth it to me. There is so much hassle that goes into it. Then I have to maintain it. My business is hurting because I am focused somewhere else. I want to be able to answer emails from people. Focusing on the products that I am providing. Do I need to pay someone to support 27:35 – Panelist: The speed to integration and the speed to usage. It’s all about the pain. How much pain will there be to build one? Hire the laziest person possible. I pride myself being an extra lazy developer. I can I build the best thing in the least amount of time. Time with my brother in the past has shown me this. Perhaps the type of developer we are determines the answer to that question. I like to get code out the door more than create the code. What about you guys? 28:56 – Chuck: I like building it but I LOVE shipping it. 29:07 – I like creating it. Shipping part is the “I finished it.” Getting from nothing to something. Shipping is like the celebration for me. 29:32 – Digital Ocean Advertisement. 30:10 – It’s not to say that I don’t buy things, cause I do. The amount of software that I buy outweighs the ones I build. My time is limited. I do need control over the data. We were struggling a few years ago financially. I need a thumb drive and we fought on whether or not we could buy that. Finances are intimate details. If that information was stolen, so I built my own we application in my business to hold our finance data records. We wanted complete control over that. I saw that that it was a wise investment of my time. I had insecurities about that information leaked or stolen. Now we have too many thumb drives. 32:31 – I bought a thumb drive years ago for it and paid $50-60 for that. Which is insane. 32:55- Chuck: Build vs. Buy topic has been covered very well, so far. When you are building, which features to prioritize? Building features – which one to prioritize? 33:47 – It would be less impactful to your client base. You have sponsors and signing up for the show. The listeners could be returning guests. But your sponsors are coming on ALL the time. Feature rich platform for them. You want them to enjoy using your product. I think that would be the most important. Having something for your scheduling. It doesn’t have to be feature rich. But 34:43 – Chuck: I understand the trade-offs. Anything I can do to make the system automatic then that helps. Some people want some LIVE episodes. That leads the sponsorship into the content production stuff. Beyond telling Eric, my editor, where to put the ads within the episode. 36:52 – Panelist chimes in. 37:15 – They want the testimonial. The other end to that when we started off we got sponsors because we were novel. We were a different take on Ruby. The market has changed. Things change. Then it was okay well Ruby Rogues was a great way to meet developers. You can do conferences but you reach a lot of people in one week. Some of our sponsors early on - they past their ROI. Podcast market has changed. Some of this feedback has made me rethink things. The market has changed. People want to hear the personal touch and the personal message. They want to hear how these things are being run and how to fix the bugs. Just being aware of the needs and how the needs change. It is easy to get comfortable. Then it turns out jQuery doesn’t always cut the mustard anymore. But maybe it does? If you get comfortable then you will pay for it. 39:58 – So true. Like Code Fund. Blog Post: What is Keeping Me Up At Night? 41:11 – Chuck: Even their needs have changed. That feedback is crucial. It’s not just about keeping tabs on this stuff. Why are you loosing the publisher? Are you getting the feedback that you need. I am have gotten critiques from Eric and other people. Oh ok, let me change the packing to serve their needs. Kind of roll with the punches. If you aren’t talking back to your customers then there will be issues. 42:18 – Panelist: Side topic of how do you receive feedback? Some people there is a small minority that will bash you. They won’t give you constructive feedback. They are being a mean person. Having a good attitude is going to help with the feedback to make your product better. 43:15 – Chuck: Nobody wants to have that confrontation. 43:30 – I have grown to appreciate humanity. When you are asking them about: why did you leave? I see that they’ve read it 4-5 times but they didn’t hit reply. Am I doing this? Am I not doing this? 45:11 – Getting the opinions out there can help you if you can find the positive twist to even negative comments. 45:44 – How can this feedback make me a better person, podcaster or better in general? You can find that in the nastiest feedback that you may receive. 46:29 – But on the flipside – if you decide to buy – make the feedback constructive. Honestly 46:56 – I had a similar experience. Geekbot. I just bought it and I love it. They do daily standups on Geekbot. They kept skipping days. But they asked for me to try again, I di and I am glad that I did! 48:49 – Panelist: When you are talking about building your own software and you get that feedback it’s important not to be a person pleaser. If it doesn’t help ALL then it’s something you might NOT wan to build it. I t has to be globally beneficial. Do the right thing. I 50:49 – Chuck: Anything else? 51:01 – To UNSUBSCRIBE make them fill out a long form before you leave. One more kick to the groin. 51:17 – Chuck: Subject Line: Please Piss Me Off. How can we make this more effective? 51:40 – I send them weekly stats. I solicit through that e-mail. 52:00 – I think the point is that most people who buy software are HEARD and that they are a valuable customer. Their voice does matter. You want to solve their problems in a least expensive way. 52:36 – Chuck: Making it SUPER easy for them. 53:18 – Final thought about building: if someone has to leave your application, to do the task at hand, then your app is missing some core feature(s) that your users are wanting. 54:27 – Picks! 54:32 – Advertisement for Get a Coder Job! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Zapier Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Dave Shapeoko Eric Geekbot Polymail Airbrake Charles My Ruby Story Podcasts Orlando - FinCon or Microsoft Ignite MeetUp Park City Meetup
Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks amongst themselves the topic: “When to Build, or When to Buy.” They discuss how time is limited, and whether it is worth their time to build their own app/software or to just purchase. They discuss the pros and cons of each. Check-out today’s episode for more details! Show Topics: 1:40 – Chuck: Anything that prompted choosing this topic? 2:13 – Dave: I am not a huge stickler of keeping tracks of things. With a new car, I wanted to start this off right. I wanted an app to show history of car. I wanted a simple view and wanted to take pictures of receipts. I didn’t find anything out there that I liked. Do I want to write a web application? 3:29 – Dave: I am going to write this app. There is a lot of the new technology, so I can keep up-to-date with real world technologies, with the act of storage. Keeping my skills sharp. Solving a real world need that I have. 4:06 – Panelist: Funny thing. That is a decision that has evolved with me. As a younger developer I would build everything that I could. I thought: “I have to own this,” I thought I have to have total control of this. This is for me. I try to buy everything that I can. There is only so much time in the day. Let’s point the question back to Dave. Are you more in the process of creation? 5:19: Dave: It fits to my needs. I don’t need something overly complicated. I think we often find situations where there is a justifiable case to build it then to buy it. If you buy it you have little control over the features and other things. What’s important to you is not important to others. So you will have to find a company that will meet your needs. You bring up an interesting topic and that’s data. 7:29 – Chuck: You are talking about the level of control. Eric this might sound familiar with sponsorship and so on. Eric said: Dude you are a developer. There is nothing out there that I need so I have to build it. I opt to trying to buy it if I can. 8:35 – Panelist: Yes, definitely. By focusing all of my attention on an application that won’t give me an ROI. Leave that other stuff to much smarter than me in that domain. 9:24: Panelist: I agree. If it is a core part of your business than, if you are buying, that might be a disadvantage. For example... I used a service called IMPROVLY. 12:00 – Chuck: it might not give you the control that you want, but if it can get you most of the way there then it will eventually move up in priority. 12:33 – Panelist: Look at utilities that support you, then that’s where MVPs can come into play. One limited, viable product. For example, the app tracker for my cars. I just wanted something simple. Some of the extra bells and whistles can come later. Something like code fund – there is a lot of expected features. There is so much business that goes into it. When I have time to build that stuff in then I will do that later. If it is too feature-rich then they will overwhelm themselves. They try to do everything today. Often that could lead to bad code, things not working properly. You save time by doing it right the first time. I think you have to really gauge what is your MVP? What can I do to make this functional? Then add in the features within the application. 15:19 – Panelist: When you decide to build – how much influence past products to drive your development. 15:38 – I say a ton, because then you are going to be reinventing the wheel. You OWN interpretation to things is fine. There is only so many ways to build something. See what people want and what they need. 16:15 – Panelist: It tends to muddy the developing waters a bit. I like to approach things not knowing what the competitors are doing. Then you aren’t constrained by past examples. I approach it as: How would I want to approach this by an individual so I am not blurred by competitors. 18:05 – Chuck: I build a feature I need and then ask myself: How do I put this together? What I need – I know what the outcomes need to be. At the end of the day I am looking for a model to provide what I need. In both of those cases. 18:44 – Panelist: Yes, having a good knowledge of the domain is good. It is more fun to build, right? 19:37 – Is it fun to build or is it to integrate? I like integrations better. 20:13 – Chuck: I have recently been integrating ZAPIER. 21:12 – Panelist: There are some things I will stay away from. I want to keep things with the specialists. If that means I am paying for the fees to use a third-party. 21:56 – Yes, 100%. You have to ask yourself: How lazy are you with X? 23:08 – If Twitter goes down then what? Have multiple options. You need to have other ways to authenticate in that area. So that means you have to be developing in... I think that will come down to your business needs. It will help the workflow, and help you make decisions If you are pinning yourself into a corner on time and resources. I think it’s sad that that has to be said. But look at other applications out there that are pinned into corners. People didn’t think of what they would need in the future. I am not saying that my products aren’t exempt form that. 25:52 – How do you qualify a good buy? This hits my criteria for the buy. 26:06 – If it’s providing a value. Not just this month but the following month – is this going to be worth the value. Mail hosting. This is worth it to me. There is so much hassle that goes into it. Then I have to maintain it. My business is hurting because I am focused somewhere else. I want to be able to answer emails from people. Focusing on the products that I am providing. Do I need to pay someone to support 27:35 – Panelist: The speed to integration and the speed to usage. It’s all about the pain. How much pain will there be to build one? Hire the laziest person possible. I pride myself being an extra lazy developer. I can I build the best thing in the least amount of time. Time with my brother in the past has shown me this. Perhaps the type of developer we are determines the answer to that question. I like to get code out the door more than create the code. What about you guys? 28:56 – Chuck: I like building it but I LOVE shipping it. 29:07 – I like creating it. Shipping part is the “I finished it.” Getting from nothing to something. Shipping is like the celebration for me. 29:32 – Digital Ocean Advertisement. 30:10 – It’s not to say that I don’t buy things, cause I do. The amount of software that I buy outweighs the ones I build. My time is limited. I do need control over the data. We were struggling a few years ago financially. I need a thumb drive and we fought on whether or not we could buy that. Finances are intimate details. If that information was stolen, so I built my own we application in my business to hold our finance data records. We wanted complete control over that. I saw that that it was a wise investment of my time. I had insecurities about that information leaked or stolen. Now we have too many thumb drives. 32:31 – I bought a thumb drive years ago for it and paid $50-60 for that. Which is insane. 32:55- Chuck: Build vs. Buy topic has been covered very well, so far. When you are building, which features to prioritize? Building features – which one to prioritize? 33:47 – It would be less impactful to your client base. You have sponsors and signing up for the show. The listeners could be returning guests. But your sponsors are coming on ALL the time. Feature rich platform for them. You want them to enjoy using your product. I think that would be the most important. Having something for your scheduling. It doesn’t have to be feature rich. But 34:43 – Chuck: I understand the trade-offs. Anything I can do to make the system automatic then that helps. Some people want some LIVE episodes. That leads the sponsorship into the content production stuff. Beyond telling Eric, my editor, where to put the ads within the episode. 36:52 – Panelist chimes in. 37:15 – They want the testimonial. The other end to that when we started off we got sponsors because we were novel. We were a different take on Ruby. The market has changed. Things change. Then it was okay well Ruby Rogues was a great way to meet developers. You can do conferences but you reach a lot of people in one week. Some of our sponsors early on - they past their ROI. Podcast market has changed. Some of this feedback has made me rethink things. The market has changed. People want to hear the personal touch and the personal message. They want to hear how these things are being run and how to fix the bugs. Just being aware of the needs and how the needs change. It is easy to get comfortable. Then it turns out jQuery doesn’t always cut the mustard anymore. But maybe it does? If you get comfortable then you will pay for it. 39:58 – So true. Like Code Fund. Blog Post: What is Keeping Me Up At Night? 41:11 – Chuck: Even their needs have changed. That feedback is crucial. It’s not just about keeping tabs on this stuff. Why are you loosing the publisher? Are you getting the feedback that you need. I am have gotten critiques from Eric and other people. Oh ok, let me change the packing to serve their needs. Kind of roll with the punches. If you aren’t talking back to your customers then there will be issues. 42:18 – Panelist: Side topic of how do you receive feedback? Some people there is a small minority that will bash you. They won’t give you constructive feedback. They are being a mean person. Having a good attitude is going to help with the feedback to make your product better. 43:15 – Chuck: Nobody wants to have that confrontation. 43:30 – I have grown to appreciate humanity. When you are asking them about: why did you leave? I see that they’ve read it 4-5 times but they didn’t hit reply. Am I doing this? Am I not doing this? 45:11 – Getting the opinions out there can help you if you can find the positive twist to even negative comments. 45:44 – How can this feedback make me a better person, podcaster or better in general? You can find that in the nastiest feedback that you may receive. 46:29 – But on the flipside – if you decide to buy – make the feedback constructive. Honestly 46:56 – I had a similar experience. Geekbot. I just bought it and I love it. They do daily standups on Geekbot. They kept skipping days. But they asked for me to try again, I di and I am glad that I did! 48:49 – Panelist: When you are talking about building your own software and you get that feedback it’s important not to be a person pleaser. If it doesn’t help ALL then it’s something you might NOT wan to build it. I t has to be globally beneficial. Do the right thing. I 50:49 – Chuck: Anything else? 51:01 – To UNSUBSCRIBE make them fill out a long form before you leave. One more kick to the groin. 51:17 – Chuck: Subject Line: Please Piss Me Off. How can we make this more effective? 51:40 – I send them weekly stats. I solicit through that e-mail. 52:00 – I think the point is that most people who buy software are HEARD and that they are a valuable customer. Their voice does matter. You want to solve their problems in a least expensive way. 52:36 – Chuck: Making it SUPER easy for them. 53:18 – Final thought about building: if someone has to leave your application, to do the task at hand, then your app is missing some core feature(s) that your users are wanting. 54:27 – Picks! 54:32 – Advertisement for Get a Coder Job! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Zapier Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Dave Shapeoko Eric Geekbot Polymail Airbrake Charles My Ruby Story Podcasts Orlando - FinCon or Microsoft Ignite MeetUp Park City Meetup
Panel: Alyssa Nicholl Joe Eames John Papa Ward Bell Special Guests: Martin Jakubik In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talk with Martin Jakubik and he has been working with Angular for the last three years. He has one large and one small Angular application, which the panel talks about. Show Topics: 2:31 – Alyssa likes to be called... 2:40 – Alyssa: You have a large and small application – what makes it small? Is it the user-base? 2:56 – Martin: It is one module out of ten or twenty components. 2: 59 – Panelist: Only 1 Angular module? 3:47 – Panelist: Joe went off on how much he hates modules. I am sorry JP we had to throw that in that? 4:04 – Joe: I am an anti-modulist. 4:11 – Martin: Just one module. 4:21 – Panelist: When you are building an application with one module – start us from the beginning, what does it look like? 4:38 – Martin: It is actually quite special. It has to run in an iFrame, and all it does it allows the user to add into the experiment. 5:05 – Alyssa: Is it like a CMS? 5:10 – Martin: It is like Google Optimize. The application is quite simple and every component is in that one module. 5:36 – Panelist: How many do you have? 5:44 – Martin: There are less than 10 services and 20 components at most. 5:57 – Panelist: I feel personally, I feel like that I a decent size? 6:11 – Panelist: That makes perfect sense. If there is no routing or nothing... 6:40 – Panelist: Asks a question, and clarifies the question to Martin. 7:48 – Panelist: It is nice and clean. 7:55 – Panelist: I do, too. 8:08 – Alyssa: How new is it? 8:15 – Panelist: June/July? 8:32 – Martin: I am using the new style. 9:01 – Panelist: I am leery of using it. 9:13 - Panelist: I would like to clarify. When you mention you have 20 components... 9:40 - Panelist: Do it. 10:34 – Panelist: Webpack. Can you explain what that is and how you solved it? 10:57 – Martin: I don’t think I did anything special. I wanted to know how it works. I used webpack and used their configurations. Several months into the project then I... 11:40 – Panelist: Why did you decide not to use the CLI? This is like an Iron Man thing. 11:55 – Panelist: I think it’s a pain thing. 12:05 – Martin: I wanted to know how it works. 12:32 – Martin: I started from scratch, I can’t remember. 12:44 – Panelist: Whenever I use webpack it makes my head spin. 12:56 – Martin: The application was very simple. I was doing more blogging. 13:45 – Panelist: It is doing more configurations on the fly for you. It’s wonderful if it works and if it doesn’t work then I don’t know what you’d do. 14:17 – Martin: That’s why I did it, so I can appreciate all the magic. 14:30 – Panelist: How big is big? 14:36 – Martin: Enterprise level. 100 different components. 15:06 – Panelist chimes in. 15:13 – Panelist: That is complex. 15:28 – Panelist: let’s add more modules to add to the complexity... 15:55 – Alyssa: When you took your app to the CLI was that hard? 16:06 – Martin: That took me one whole day. The module is so simple that’s why. 16:32 – Panelist talks about this topic. 17:39 – Panelist asks a question. 17:53 – Panelist: Fixing any problem ... ever work on tooling help people if they have their stuff in the right file name? 18:18 – Martin: I used Cypress. 18:58 – Panelist: Under what situation would you recommend it to anyone? Do it your own webpack configuration? 19:23 – Martin: Only if... 19:51 – Alyssa: What if you wanted to add a watermark to each file, do you have to stop adding the CLI? 20:13 – Panelist: So am I...what are the boundaries, I don’t know what they are? I’m curious. 20:41 – Panelist: Are you asking, Alyssa, how you would customize it? 21:09 – Panelist: You won’t loose all the features that you get. You now elected out of that place where they had it; webpack configurations. 22:12 – Panelist: What happened to it ejecting? How do you get it out of there? 22:26 – Good question! I have – I like to play with scissors. 22:43 – Advertisement 23:32 – Panelist reads a message from the company. How do you get that voice? 24:10 – First you have to have a really deep sinus cold. 25:00 – Panelist: Do you live without eject? I really don’t care. What I care about...Scratch that! I want to know what kinds of things you can’t do with a CLI that would drive you to do your own application? What other things could you not do in webpack. 25:50 – Martin: I wanted to see how it works. 25:56 – Panelist: Now I use CLI and all it’s features except testing. I use Cypress completely separate than CLI. 26:46 – Panelist: I feel like it’s talking to the one person without a cellphone. 27:01 – Panelist: Wow! I had no concept that life could be like that! I thought you had to have a cellphone. 27:29 – Martin: What does anyone use the CLI for anyways? 27:44 – Martin: I use it for unit tests. 27:52 – Panelist: Another question. 28:30 – Alyssa: You write things out by hand because it’s easier?! 28:44 – Panelist: You copy, and paste and it’s less work. 29:06 – Panelist: It feels easier. 29:22 – Joe: No, I am serious. 29:48 – Joe: Yes, I am amazing. 30:30 – Martin talks about another topic. 30:48 – Alyssa: When you generate a component do you put it into a different file? 31:29 – Panel: We are all friends here and we aren’t shaming anyone here. We are joking here. 32:00 – Alyssa: It’s that he can write it from memory. 33:08 – Panelist: I have been using Vue lately. He also talks about Angular and mentions Sarah Drasner, too. 34:26 – Panelist: Not everyone has a memory like him, though. 35:32 – Panelist: The fourth version of Renderer. 36:28 – Panelist: We are not talking about Nirvana the band, here. 36:46 – Alyssa: It will be the new Renderer. It’s out for you to try. Check out Angular Air. He was trying out IB yourself right now. People are flipping out about it. I am excited to see how my Angular app runs differently now. Here is the code that was generated, here is the code that... I am not sure that there is a promise date. Any secrets heads-up on when it will come out? 38:22 – Panelist: The big question what does this mean for my existing code? Do I have to change my existing code? 38:48 – Alyssa: The Angular team is working so that there are minimal changes. I don’t have a good answer. NGGC. For third-party libraries you run it through and it... I don’t know what that means for the community. 39:49 – Panelist: My hope is that they... 40:03 – Alyssa: For your third-party... 40:18 – Panelist: Question: between your small and large pack? What architectural differences are there? 40:44 – Martin: I have a template edit. 41:03 – Panelist: Come to my... 41:32 – Panel talks about talks that Jon can do. 42:13 – Panelist: True story... The panel is having fun going back and forth with jokes. 43:03 – Panelist: This kind of stuff creeps into production code. That’s the great thing about copy and paste. 43:21 – Panelist: We had a rule, though, if it happens more than once let’s put into our build. 44:20 – It’s 3 hours if you have a CI process, if you don’t... 44:33 – Console.log 44:49 – Martin chimes in. 45:14 – Panelist: Let’s talk about an iFrame in your app? 45:27 – Martin: The point is to be able to do it with any... Make sure that it doesn’t collide. The CSS wasn’t separated. I had to put my application inside an iFrame. 46:27 – Panelist: Thanks for coming on for us, Martin. 46:37 – Picks! 46:44 - Advertisement Links: Martin Jakubik’s Medium How to Copy, Cut, Paste for Beginners by Melanie Pinola Art Joker Blog @AngularMine Cypress Vue Renderer Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job course Picks: Alyssa Question as my pick – About Angular 7...(47:52) True or False? Martin Thank you for having me today. Present your work more. I challenge you all to cook. Blog: Bratislava Angular Ward How to Copy, Cut, and Paste Joe Brian Holt – Eleven Tips to Scale Node.js NPM scripts – I relearned something “new” lately.
Panel: Alyssa Nicholl Joe Eames John Papa Ward Bell Special Guests: Martin Jakubik In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talk with Martin Jakubik and he has been working with Angular for the last three years. He has one large and one small Angular application, which the panel talks about. Show Topics: 2:31 – Alyssa likes to be called... 2:40 – Alyssa: You have a large and small application – what makes it small? Is it the user-base? 2:56 – Martin: It is one module out of ten or twenty components. 2: 59 – Panelist: Only 1 Angular module? 3:47 – Panelist: Joe went off on how much he hates modules. I am sorry JP we had to throw that in that? 4:04 – Joe: I am an anti-modulist. 4:11 – Martin: Just one module. 4:21 – Panelist: When you are building an application with one module – start us from the beginning, what does it look like? 4:38 – Martin: It is actually quite special. It has to run in an iFrame, and all it does it allows the user to add into the experiment. 5:05 – Alyssa: Is it like a CMS? 5:10 – Martin: It is like Google Optimize. The application is quite simple and every component is in that one module. 5:36 – Panelist: How many do you have? 5:44 – Martin: There are less than 10 services and 20 components at most. 5:57 – Panelist: I feel personally, I feel like that I a decent size? 6:11 – Panelist: That makes perfect sense. If there is no routing or nothing... 6:40 – Panelist: Asks a question, and clarifies the question to Martin. 7:48 – Panelist: It is nice and clean. 7:55 – Panelist: I do, too. 8:08 – Alyssa: How new is it? 8:15 – Panelist: June/July? 8:32 – Martin: I am using the new style. 9:01 – Panelist: I am leery of using it. 9:13 - Panelist: I would like to clarify. When you mention you have 20 components... 9:40 - Panelist: Do it. 10:34 – Panelist: Webpack. Can you explain what that is and how you solved it? 10:57 – Martin: I don’t think I did anything special. I wanted to know how it works. I used webpack and used their configurations. Several months into the project then I... 11:40 – Panelist: Why did you decide not to use the CLI? This is like an Iron Man thing. 11:55 – Panelist: I think it’s a pain thing. 12:05 – Martin: I wanted to know how it works. 12:32 – Martin: I started from scratch, I can’t remember. 12:44 – Panelist: Whenever I use webpack it makes my head spin. 12:56 – Martin: The application was very simple. I was doing more blogging. 13:45 – Panelist: It is doing more configurations on the fly for you. It’s wonderful if it works and if it doesn’t work then I don’t know what you’d do. 14:17 – Martin: That’s why I did it, so I can appreciate all the magic. 14:30 – Panelist: How big is big? 14:36 – Martin: Enterprise level. 100 different components. 15:06 – Panelist chimes in. 15:13 – Panelist: That is complex. 15:28 – Panelist: let’s add more modules to add to the complexity... 15:55 – Alyssa: When you took your app to the CLI was that hard? 16:06 – Martin: That took me one whole day. The module is so simple that’s why. 16:32 – Panelist talks about this topic. 17:39 – Panelist asks a question. 17:53 – Panelist: Fixing any problem ... ever work on tooling help people if they have their stuff in the right file name? 18:18 – Martin: I used Cypress. 18:58 – Panelist: Under what situation would you recommend it to anyone? Do it your own webpack configuration? 19:23 – Martin: Only if... 19:51 – Alyssa: What if you wanted to add a watermark to each file, do you have to stop adding the CLI? 20:13 – Panelist: So am I...what are the boundaries, I don’t know what they are? I’m curious. 20:41 – Panelist: Are you asking, Alyssa, how you would customize it? 21:09 – Panelist: You won’t loose all the features that you get. You now elected out of that place where they had it; webpack configurations. 22:12 – Panelist: What happened to it ejecting? How do you get it out of there? 22:26 – Good question! I have – I like to play with scissors. 22:43 – Advertisement 23:32 – Panelist reads a message from the company. How do you get that voice? 24:10 – First you have to have a really deep sinus cold. 25:00 – Panelist: Do you live without eject? I really don’t care. What I care about...Scratch that! I want to know what kinds of things you can’t do with a CLI that would drive you to do your own application? What other things could you not do in webpack. 25:50 – Martin: I wanted to see how it works. 25:56 – Panelist: Now I use CLI and all it’s features except testing. I use Cypress completely separate than CLI. 26:46 – Panelist: I feel like it’s talking to the one person without a cellphone. 27:01 – Panelist: Wow! I had no concept that life could be like that! I thought you had to have a cellphone. 27:29 – Martin: What does anyone use the CLI for anyways? 27:44 – Martin: I use it for unit tests. 27:52 – Panelist: Another question. 28:30 – Alyssa: You write things out by hand because it’s easier?! 28:44 – Panelist: You copy, and paste and it’s less work. 29:06 – Panelist: It feels easier. 29:22 – Joe: No, I am serious. 29:48 – Joe: Yes, I am amazing. 30:30 – Martin talks about another topic. 30:48 – Alyssa: When you generate a component do you put it into a different file? 31:29 – Panel: We are all friends here and we aren’t shaming anyone here. We are joking here. 32:00 – Alyssa: It’s that he can write it from memory. 33:08 – Panelist: I have been using Vue lately. He also talks about Angular and mentions Sarah Drasner, too. 34:26 – Panelist: Not everyone has a memory like him, though. 35:32 – Panelist: The fourth version of Renderer. 36:28 – Panelist: We are not talking about Nirvana the band, here. 36:46 – Alyssa: It will be the new Renderer. It’s out for you to try. Check out Angular Air. He was trying out IB yourself right now. People are flipping out about it. I am excited to see how my Angular app runs differently now. Here is the code that was generated, here is the code that... I am not sure that there is a promise date. Any secrets heads-up on when it will come out? 38:22 – Panelist: The big question what does this mean for my existing code? Do I have to change my existing code? 38:48 – Alyssa: The Angular team is working so that there are minimal changes. I don’t have a good answer. NGGC. For third-party libraries you run it through and it... I don’t know what that means for the community. 39:49 – Panelist: My hope is that they... 40:03 – Alyssa: For your third-party... 40:18 – Panelist: Question: between your small and large pack? What architectural differences are there? 40:44 – Martin: I have a template edit. 41:03 – Panelist: Come to my... 41:32 – Panel talks about talks that Jon can do. 42:13 – Panelist: True story... The panel is having fun going back and forth with jokes. 43:03 – Panelist: This kind of stuff creeps into production code. That’s the great thing about copy and paste. 43:21 – Panelist: We had a rule, though, if it happens more than once let’s put into our build. 44:20 – It’s 3 hours if you have a CI process, if you don’t... 44:33 – Console.log 44:49 – Martin chimes in. 45:14 – Panelist: Let’s talk about an iFrame in your app? 45:27 – Martin: The point is to be able to do it with any... Make sure that it doesn’t collide. The CSS wasn’t separated. I had to put my application inside an iFrame. 46:27 – Panelist: Thanks for coming on for us, Martin. 46:37 – Picks! 46:44 - Advertisement Links: Martin Jakubik’s Medium How to Copy, Cut, Paste for Beginners by Melanie Pinola Art Joker Blog @AngularMine Cypress Vue Renderer Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job course Picks: Alyssa Question as my pick – About Angular 7...(47:52) True or False? Martin Thank you for having me today. Present your work more. I challenge you all to cook. Blog: Bratislava Angular Ward How to Copy, Cut, and Paste Joe Brian Holt – Eleven Tips to Scale Node.js NPM scripts – I relearned something “new” lately.
Panel: Alyssa Nicholl Joe Eames John Papa Ward Bell Special Guests: Martin Jakubik In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talk with Martin Jakubik and he has been working with Angular for the last three years. He has one large and one small Angular application, which the panel talks about. Show Topics: 2:31 – Alyssa likes to be called... 2:40 – Alyssa: You have a large and small application – what makes it small? Is it the user-base? 2:56 – Martin: It is one module out of ten or twenty components. 2: 59 – Panelist: Only 1 Angular module? 3:47 – Panelist: Joe went off on how much he hates modules. I am sorry JP we had to throw that in that? 4:04 – Joe: I am an anti-modulist. 4:11 – Martin: Just one module. 4:21 – Panelist: When you are building an application with one module – start us from the beginning, what does it look like? 4:38 – Martin: It is actually quite special. It has to run in an iFrame, and all it does it allows the user to add into the experiment. 5:05 – Alyssa: Is it like a CMS? 5:10 – Martin: It is like Google Optimize. The application is quite simple and every component is in that one module. 5:36 – Panelist: How many do you have? 5:44 – Martin: There are less than 10 services and 20 components at most. 5:57 – Panelist: I feel personally, I feel like that I a decent size? 6:11 – Panelist: That makes perfect sense. If there is no routing or nothing... 6:40 – Panelist: Asks a question, and clarifies the question to Martin. 7:48 – Panelist: It is nice and clean. 7:55 – Panelist: I do, too. 8:08 – Alyssa: How new is it? 8:15 – Panelist: June/July? 8:32 – Martin: I am using the new style. 9:01 – Panelist: I am leery of using it. 9:13 - Panelist: I would like to clarify. When you mention you have 20 components... 9:40 - Panelist: Do it. 10:34 – Panelist: Webpack. Can you explain what that is and how you solved it? 10:57 – Martin: I don’t think I did anything special. I wanted to know how it works. I used webpack and used their configurations. Several months into the project then I... 11:40 – Panelist: Why did you decide not to use the CLI? This is like an Iron Man thing. 11:55 – Panelist: I think it’s a pain thing. 12:05 – Martin: I wanted to know how it works. 12:32 – Martin: I started from scratch, I can’t remember. 12:44 – Panelist: Whenever I use webpack it makes my head spin. 12:56 – Martin: The application was very simple. I was doing more blogging. 13:45 – Panelist: It is doing more configurations on the fly for you. It’s wonderful if it works and if it doesn’t work then I don’t know what you’d do. 14:17 – Martin: That’s why I did it, so I can appreciate all the magic. 14:30 – Panelist: How big is big? 14:36 – Martin: Enterprise level. 100 different components. 15:06 – Panelist chimes in. 15:13 – Panelist: That is complex. 15:28 – Panelist: let’s add more modules to add to the complexity... 15:55 – Alyssa: When you took your app to the CLI was that hard? 16:06 – Martin: That took me one whole day. The module is so simple that’s why. 16:32 – Panelist talks about this topic. 17:39 – Panelist asks a question. 17:53 – Panelist: Fixing any problem ... ever work on tooling help people if they have their stuff in the right file name? 18:18 – Martin: I used Cypress. 18:58 – Panelist: Under what situation would you recommend it to anyone? Do it your own webpack configuration? 19:23 – Martin: Only if... 19:51 – Alyssa: What if you wanted to add a watermark to each file, do you have to stop adding the CLI? 20:13 – Panelist: So am I...what are the boundaries, I don’t know what they are? I’m curious. 20:41 – Panelist: Are you asking, Alyssa, how you would customize it? 21:09 – Panelist: You won’t loose all the features that you get. You now elected out of that place where they had it; webpack configurations. 22:12 – Panelist: What happened to it ejecting? How do you get it out of there? 22:26 – Good question! I have – I like to play with scissors. 22:43 – Advertisement 23:32 – Panelist reads a message from the company. How do you get that voice? 24:10 – First you have to have a really deep sinus cold. 25:00 – Panelist: Do you live without eject? I really don’t care. What I care about...Scratch that! I want to know what kinds of things you can’t do with a CLI that would drive you to do your own application? What other things could you not do in webpack. 25:50 – Martin: I wanted to see how it works. 25:56 – Panelist: Now I use CLI and all it’s features except testing. I use Cypress completely separate than CLI. 26:46 – Panelist: I feel like it’s talking to the one person without a cellphone. 27:01 – Panelist: Wow! I had no concept that life could be like that! I thought you had to have a cellphone. 27:29 – Martin: What does anyone use the CLI for anyways? 27:44 – Martin: I use it for unit tests. 27:52 – Panelist: Another question. 28:30 – Alyssa: You write things out by hand because it’s easier?! 28:44 – Panelist: You copy, and paste and it’s less work. 29:06 – Panelist: It feels easier. 29:22 – Joe: No, I am serious. 29:48 – Joe: Yes, I am amazing. 30:30 – Martin talks about another topic. 30:48 – Alyssa: When you generate a component do you put it into a different file? 31:29 – Panel: We are all friends here and we aren’t shaming anyone here. We are joking here. 32:00 – Alyssa: It’s that he can write it from memory. 33:08 – Panelist: I have been using Vue lately. He also talks about Angular and mentions Sarah Drasner, too. 34:26 – Panelist: Not everyone has a memory like him, though. 35:32 – Panelist: The fourth version of Renderer. 36:28 – Panelist: We are not talking about Nirvana the band, here. 36:46 – Alyssa: It will be the new Renderer. It’s out for you to try. Check out Angular Air. He was trying out IB yourself right now. People are flipping out about it. I am excited to see how my Angular app runs differently now. Here is the code that was generated, here is the code that... I am not sure that there is a promise date. Any secrets heads-up on when it will come out? 38:22 – Panelist: The big question what does this mean for my existing code? Do I have to change my existing code? 38:48 – Alyssa: The Angular team is working so that there are minimal changes. I don’t have a good answer. NGGC. For third-party libraries you run it through and it... I don’t know what that means for the community. 39:49 – Panelist: My hope is that they... 40:03 – Alyssa: For your third-party... 40:18 – Panelist: Question: between your small and large pack? What architectural differences are there? 40:44 – Martin: I have a template edit. 41:03 – Panelist: Come to my... 41:32 – Panel talks about talks that Jon can do. 42:13 – Panelist: True story... The panel is having fun going back and forth with jokes. 43:03 – Panelist: This kind of stuff creeps into production code. That’s the great thing about copy and paste. 43:21 – Panelist: We had a rule, though, if it happens more than once let’s put into our build. 44:20 – It’s 3 hours if you have a CI process, if you don’t... 44:33 – Console.log 44:49 – Martin chimes in. 45:14 – Panelist: Let’s talk about an iFrame in your app? 45:27 – Martin: The point is to be able to do it with any... Make sure that it doesn’t collide. The CSS wasn’t separated. I had to put my application inside an iFrame. 46:27 – Panelist: Thanks for coming on for us, Martin. 46:37 – Picks! 46:44 - Advertisement Links: Martin Jakubik’s Medium How to Copy, Cut, Paste for Beginners by Melanie Pinola Art Joker Blog @AngularMine Cypress Vue Renderer Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job course Picks: Alyssa Question as my pick – About Angular 7...(47:52) True or False? Martin Thank you for having me today. Present your work more. I challenge you all to cook. Blog: Bratislava Angular Ward How to Copy, Cut, and Paste Joe Brian Holt – Eleven Tips to Scale Node.js NPM scripts – I relearned something “new” lately.
Panel: Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett Special Guest: Sarah Drasner In this episode, the panel talks with Sarah Drasner, and John Papa is my boss! Sarah talks about the Vue alongside the panel. She goes into her many passions, and talks about how education and being a teacher is something that is quite important for her. Check out today’s episode to hear all of these topics, plus more! Show Topics: 1:42 – Chuck: Let’s talk about your February article, Sarah! 1:57 – Sarah: Sure! I have a great relationship with SMASHING magazine. They reached out to me and we started talking, because they noticed that people had questions about... It probably was one of my most popular articles. People were ready to graduate from jQuery. 3:36 – Panelist: I have gotten a lot of great feedback from people on this article, too. 4:00 – Sarah: it is a baseline. If they have heard about Vue and don’t’ know where to go from there. 4:15 – Panelist: It’s a great way to introduce yourself to people who don’t know you. 4:30 – Sarah continues the conversation. jQuery for a while was the “cheese stands alone” for a long time. 5:39 – Panelist chimes in. 6:15 – Like a long-term support system. 6:46 – Chuck: I am usually writing apps for myself. Lots of To Do Apps. 7:18 – Chuck I wonder how much I can run off of jQuery? 7:37 – Sarah: jQuery to Vue? I mean personally think that it’s much more obtainable. The improvements are great. I feel like I am more in-control when I use Vue. I tell people to try a project for a certain amount of time. I can tell you that how much I like the frameworks, but you have to try it. 9:34 – Panelist: Less code in Vue. 9:59 – Chuck: I do like the fact that... 10:14 – Panelist: you have to be disciplined. I am not always disciplined if I want to be honest. Where should I put a state that depends on another state? 10:42 – Sarah to Chris – Your style guide is helpful, Chris. If you really don’t mind in a certain framework, look at what people suggest based on their experience. Then you are not making those decisions for yourself, but you can see what works for others. 11:33 – Panelist: The style guides help them feel more confident for the people that he has talked to. They made more comfortable to feel more vulnerable. 12:13 – Sarah: That’s why I made those snippets for VS code. If it gives me a template then those little pieces of helpers can help keep your code more attainable. To make sure that the code review is on the up-and-up. 13:05 – Panelist: I do love those snippets. It does help me not to worry about missing certain things. I use the snippets for Live Demos. The feedback is that they don’t want to use Vue, but the snippets make it look really cool. 13:47 – Panelist: Many people don’t know this, but... 14:05 – Chuck: I know people are fans of jQuery...why do you hate jQuery? 14:26 – Sarah: I got some negative feedback and positive feedback. A debate started actually within these conversations. It happened around me, actually. What people know vs. what people don’t know. It was an interesting discussion, too. 15:26 – Panelist: Vue has this easy drop and save tag. Sarah, in your opinion... 15:58 – Sarah: Scotch IO has great articles out there. There are tons of writers out there. Actually, because there is nice ramp-up, that does help with adaption; just all together. That has had a lot to do with it, in addition through word-of-mouth. Whether if they, do or don’t, know how to use framework. 17:35 – Panelist: One number one thing they don’t’ like about Angular is that 99.9% time is that they are struggling with setup, bill process, when to set up different flags. It’s actually using the tool. 18:35 – Sarah: I wasn’t looking out to switch to Vue. At first, I was thinking: “Do I really have to try this out...? Why do I have to learn this, too?” I actually fell in love with it during the process. You can see this “falling in-love” on my Twitter. That for me has been one of the best experiences for me. Programs: Babble, Sass. This I would have to install one-by-one. To note that the developer’s experience is pretty important. 20:15 – Panelist: To have something there can create some anxiety for them. Even if they don’t need to know what those folders are can create anxiety. 20:59 – Sarah continues this conversation with her insights and comments. 22:00 – Panelist asks Sarah a question. 22:12 – Sarah Drasner: It really varies depending on the users’ experience. 23:17 – Panelist: If you are happy doing what you are doing – keep it. Don’t change. 23:32 – Sarah: The company dictates a lot of things for you. Lots of people don’t get to decide. If you are working with one giant build, then maybe... 24:27 – Panelist talks about a Vue template, and other topics. 25:16 – Sarah: Code Pen. 26:05 – Code Pen continues to be the topic of this conversation. 27:43 – Digital Ocean’s Advertisement. 27:21 – Chris to Sarah: You get people super excited about Vue because your demos are the BEST demonstrations. 30:30 – Fidget Spinner. 31:16 – Are you into animation? 31:28 – Sarah mentions: Smashing Magazine. Sarah’s dream job was to be in computer animation. She went to college and didn’t want to draw every frame. I can’t keep doing this. Eventually this led to we development. Full circle, I am back to what I originally fell in-love with. Coding is one of my favorite things. In animation anything can happen! In real-life you are limited, but with animation you can let your mind go wild. You can do anything. That is exciting for me. The web has so many different capabilities. 34:19 – Can you talk about your background as an educator? 34:28 – Sarah Drasner: I was a professor in the Greek Islands. I think teaching gives me so much joy. Especially for me to see the light in your student’s eyes. I think learning is really hard, so making that process easier for people is a goal of mine. I want to make materials easier for them to comprehend a certain topic or the material-at-hand. At first, I thought JavaScript was hard. Connecting the dots for people is worth it to me. It’s scaling my understanding. It’s moving things through the community – scale that knowledge. 36:43 – Creating resources for students that they never had. People, I am sure, are grateful for that. 37:19 – Sarah: t’s a really valuable thing to share this with one another. You can be a little bit selfish and when you have to teach a concept to a student this material will be embedded into you easier/better because you have to explain it. 38:12 – Sarah: What does the H Stand for? This article came up, because I had to answer someone’s question. Writing an article really solidifies your knowledge! 39:02 – Where do you like to teach? 39:07 – Sarah: Frontend Masters is one of them. It continues afterwards. 40:35 – Sarah: I still like making online content, the feedback you get in-person is very wonderful. 41:13 – Panelist adds comments. 41:47 – Sarah continues the conversation and talks about a specific conference. She talks about Nigeria and Nigerians. 43:06 – Sarah: It’s actually a huge venue. We rented a media company to help with stable Internet and web access. Just making sure that everything will be stable. It’s a real conference; it’s just free to them. It’s in a couple of days. I am feeling like that it’s a lot of stuff, but I know it will be valuable. We are looking for sponsorships!! It’s a great cause and totally engaging. 44:22 – Are you guys ready for your talks? 46:42 – Sarah: Her talk is going to be one of the best talks there. It can be quite political, but she doesn’t do that. What changes for the developer? It is quite masterful. She is doing a repeat performance. 47:16 – Panelist: I try... 47:24 – Sarah Drasner: I will be talking, too. 48:28 – Dumb jokes. 48:50 – Sarah: I feel that jokes don’t translate well across different countries. You have to find something more universal. I pick things that are universal to the human experience. 49:40 – Sarah: I guess in the introduction, I say who I am and then I bring Clippy on the stage... In addition, sometimes, TERRIBLE jokes go a long way! To show that you are actually human! 51:36 – A Wiki later... 51:48 – I put the bad jokes into the delivery. People need something to lighten the mood. 52:21 – Clippy and Microsoft Bob. 52:32 – E-Book Code Badges! 53:12 – Picks! Links: JavaScript Ruby on Rails Angular Digital Ocean Code Badge Notion Vue Sarah Drasner’s Article Sarah Drasner’s Twitter Sarah Drasner’s Website Sarah Drasner’s GitHub Sarah Drasner’s LinkedIn Sarah Drasner’s CSS-Tricks Sarah Drasner’s Medium Sponsors: Kendo UI Digital Ocean Code Badge Cache Fly Picks: Divya Sasidharan Article - Build a State Management Article - Where Vim Came From? Chris Fritz Dev Tools – Routing Tab and others Open Collective Sarah Drasner My friend’s speech / coworker, Ozcon Conference in Kenya the following year! Erik Hanchett Fidget Spinner Coder.Com Charles Max Wood Code Badge Notion.So
Panel: Charles Max Wood John Papa Ward Bell Special Guests: Ilya Bodrov & Roman Kutanov In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talks with Ilya and Roman. Ilya is a professor, writer, and developer. Roman is a cofounder, and a CEO, of a small startup company. Roman is making an application for small businesses, and he also was a CEO of a Russian startup, too. Check-out today’s episode where the panel talks to the guests about Angular, their startup companies, Test Cafe, among others. Show Topics: 1:20 – Guests’ backgrounds. 2:31 – Chuck: Let’s talk about Angular. In your opinion why is it a good option for startups? 2:55 – Guest: Angular is a very good choice. 3:55 – Guest: If you are not familiar with these concepts or a seasoned developer then it can be difficult and complex to get started. It really depends on what you are trying to build. 4:47 – Chuck: Once you get rolling with it then you run into limitations with it. If you need something simple and fast it’s really nice. 5:08 – Guest: Yes. Trying to find your market niche. Angular is very simple to transfer. Angular has a great community. There are some problems, and we know it. Like the whole mess with versions also... 6:27 – John: Can you elaborate a little? 6:34 – Guest: Yes, if you want to be in the latest technologies...so sometimes you get into a situation when you wan to have some libraries installed and you cannot do that. If you are on one version and this one isn’t supported, then it was a huge mess. 7:43 – Guest adds in more comments. 8:26 – Guest: Currently I have Angular 1. It is too complicated to rewrite. 8:40 – Guest adds comments. 8:57 – John: There would have to be a compelling reason for me to go to Angular 6 at this point. Going from 4 to 5 or 5 to 6 – the one feature – boy that is so amazing. To have it to update your app, and update your code then that’s awesome. If you didn’t know that a command changed then you were in trouble. I agree version control has always been a challenge. 10:20 – Guest: What I like about Angular is the community – it drives it in the right direction. They try to make it more productive and that’s what I like. 10:43 – Chuck: What is it like to run a startup? 10:56 – Guest: I started to write the application. What you see is what you get. I use Angular 1. JavaScript is a heavier language. 14:54 – Guest adds comments. 16:02 – Panelist: What kind of server are you using for your startup? 16:19 – Guest: I have Angular 1 as a backhand. The main application right now is... 17:11 – Panelist: What has the experience been like for people? 17:26 – Guest: Yes... 17:32 – Panelist: What were the benefits of using Angular? 17:40 – Guest: Angular was very helpful. The performance is much better. Important for startups is to know how to write functionality. 18:53 – Panelist: What forms were you using? 19:01 – Guest: Template driven. In Angular 1, I created “what you see is what you get.” 19:52 – Panelist: I am torn about forms. The Reactive side but you move a lot of code that doesn’t feel all that intuitive to me. There are pros and cons of each, but it’s not exactly where I want it to be. I would love to mix the 2 together. Have you dealt with validation in the forms? 21:04 – Digital Ocean’s Advertisement. 21:41 – Guest: I have an editor. I send it to the client. Each input is having some sort of validation. 23:17 – Panelist: How do you make them look good? Yeah, I can do it but how does it not look generic? Do you have a layout? 23:53 – Guest: I throw it into the screen – I try to keep it simple. 25:04 – Panelist: That makes sense. I didn’t know if there was a crossover of complexity. I want a balance between... 25:38 – Panelist: Reactive or Template driven? 25:45 – Guest makes comments. You want to have some custom checking. 26:13 – Panelist: Why was it hard? 26:21 – Guest: Not sure...I experimented a lot. 27:27 – Panelist: I gave up on Reactive. One of the killers for me was the nested components. It seemed to fall apart in my hands. It was extremely difficult. The outer form lost contact to what was going on. That was one of the biggest decisions to walk away from Reactive all together. 28:25 – Guest: Now I remember why I dropped templates. 28:44 – Panelist: Not true, but it’s doable! It’s also easy! You have to know what’s going on. Let’s change the story on this – I don’t want to hijack the podcast. 30:55 – Panelist: It makes your ears stand up. John’s objection was that he was putting a lot of stuff into HTML. 32:43 – Panelist: Every time I see some try to decorate the HTLM – no you don’t have to do that. The rules aren’t there. There are exceptions, of course, but real validation is not screen validation. Interestingly, we have written one for this application. It belongs to Marcel. This isn’t Breeze specific – maybe we an get people to working on it. For sure, even if you didn’t have this framework, you can create one on your own. It turns out that it has more models than you think it does. 34:55 – Panelist: Aside from forms, what mattered in your app? 35:22 – Guest answers the question. 36:01 – Panelist: Lazy Loading. In some apps lazy loading doesn’t make sense in all areas. You don’t always have to use. 36:53 – Guest: Yes, when you work for your employer you sometimes have more time available. When you have a startup it’s a race. Your startup doesn’t have any money. 37:24 – Panelist: You had money? 37:33 – Guest: You have to try new things and makes things right. When users really start really using your application. You can fix everything and make the perfect app or you can learn new things about your users. What problems do that have? 38:50 – Panelist: Question asked. 39:40 – Guest answers question. 40:38 – Protractor. 41:51 – Problems that you/we ran into. 42:21 – Panelist: “We” are using Test Cafe. 42:58 – Cypress. 44:10 – You do not need web driver and... 44:29 – Test Cafe is free. 44:39 – I would pay ten’s of dollars to use a piece of software. It’s a budget buster. 45:15 – Sounds like you guys have a great product there. 45:24 – Thanks for having us. 45:30 – Chuck: Let’s go to picks! 45:39 – Code Badges! 46:13 – Picks! Links: Microsoft’s Azure JavaScript Ruby Angular Test Cafe Cypress Ilya’s GitHub Ilya’s SitePoint Ilya’s Twitter Roman’s Crunchbase Roman’s LinkedIn Roman’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job course Picks: Charles Microsoft Ignite Microsoft Connect Follow me on Twitter! Apple Event John Pipelines – Azure VS Code Ward Test Cafe Ilya Framework Event Roman Michael Seibel’s Building Product MLcourse.AI – October 1st next session starts – it’s free
Panel: Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett Special Guest: Sarah Drasner In this episode, the panel talks with Sarah Drasner, and John Papa is my boss! Sarah talks about the Vue alongside the panel. She goes into her many passions, and talks about how education and being a teacher is something that is quite important for her. Check out today’s episode to hear all of these topics, plus more! Show Topics: 1:42 – Chuck: Let’s talk about your February article, Sarah! 1:57 – Sarah: Sure! I have a great relationship with SMASHING magazine. They reached out to me and we started talking, because they noticed that people had questions about... It probably was one of my most popular articles. People were ready to graduate from jQuery. 3:36 – Panelist: I have gotten a lot of great feedback from people on this article, too. 4:00 – Sarah: it is a baseline. If they have heard about Vue and don’t’ know where to go from there. 4:15 – Panelist: It’s a great way to introduce yourself to people who don’t know you. 4:30 – Sarah continues the conversation. jQuery for a while was the “cheese stands alone” for a long time. 5:39 – Panelist chimes in. 6:15 – Like a long-term support system. 6:46 – Chuck: I am usually writing apps for myself. Lots of To Do Apps. 7:18 – Chuck I wonder how much I can run off of jQuery? 7:37 – Sarah: jQuery to Vue? I mean personally think that it’s much more obtainable. The improvements are great. I feel like I am more in-control when I use Vue. I tell people to try a project for a certain amount of time. I can tell you that how much I like the frameworks, but you have to try it. 9:34 – Panelist: Less code in Vue. 9:59 – Chuck: I do like the fact that... 10:14 – Panelist: you have to be disciplined. I am not always disciplined if I want to be honest. Where should I put a state that depends on another state? 10:42 – Sarah to Chris – Your style guide is helpful, Chris. If you really don’t mind in a certain framework, look at what people suggest based on their experience. Then you are not making those decisions for yourself, but you can see what works for others. 11:33 – Panelist: The style guides help them feel more confident for the people that he has talked to. They made more comfortable to feel more vulnerable. 12:13 – Sarah: That’s why I made those snippets for VS code. If it gives me a template then those little pieces of helpers can help keep your code more attainable. To make sure that the code review is on the up-and-up. 13:05 – Panelist: I do love those snippets. It does help me not to worry about missing certain things. I use the snippets for Live Demos. The feedback is that they don’t want to use Vue, but the snippets make it look really cool. 13:47 – Panelist: Many people don’t know this, but... 14:05 – Chuck: I know people are fans of jQuery...why do you hate jQuery? 14:26 – Sarah: I got some negative feedback and positive feedback. A debate started actually within these conversations. It happened around me, actually. What people know vs. what people don’t know. It was an interesting discussion, too. 15:26 – Panelist: Vue has this easy drop and save tag. Sarah, in your opinion... 15:58 – Sarah: Scotch IO has great articles out there. There are tons of writers out there. Actually, because there is nice ramp-up, that does help with adaption; just all together. That has had a lot to do with it, in addition through word-of-mouth. Whether if they, do or don’t, know how to use framework. 17:35 – Panelist: One number one thing they don’t’ like about Angular is that 99.9% time is that they are struggling with setup, bill process, when to set up different flags. It’s actually using the tool. 18:35 – Sarah: I wasn’t looking out to switch to Vue. At first, I was thinking: “Do I really have to try this out...? Why do I have to learn this, too?” I actually fell in love with it during the process. You can see this “falling in-love” on my Twitter. That for me has been one of the best experiences for me. Programs: Babble, Sass. This I would have to install one-by-one. To note that the developer’s experience is pretty important. 20:15 – Panelist: To have something there can create some anxiety for them. Even if they don’t need to know what those folders are can create anxiety. 20:59 – Sarah continues this conversation with her insights and comments. 22:00 – Panelist asks Sarah a question. 22:12 – Sarah Drasner: It really varies depending on the users’ experience. 23:17 – Panelist: If you are happy doing what you are doing – keep it. Don’t change. 23:32 – Sarah: The company dictates a lot of things for you. Lots of people don’t get to decide. If you are working with one giant build, then maybe... 24:27 – Panelist talks about a Vue template, and other topics. 25:16 – Sarah: Code Pen. 26:05 – Code Pen continues to be the topic of this conversation. 27:43 – Digital Ocean’s Advertisement. 27:21 – Chris to Sarah: You get people super excited about Vue because your demos are the BEST demonstrations. 30:30 – Fidget Spinner. 31:16 – Are you into animation? 31:28 – Sarah mentions: Smashing Magazine. Sarah’s dream job was to be in computer animation. She went to college and didn’t want to draw every frame. I can’t keep doing this. Eventually this led to we development. Full circle, I am back to what I originally fell in-love with. Coding is one of my favorite things. In animation anything can happen! In real-life you are limited, but with animation you can let your mind go wild. You can do anything. That is exciting for me. The web has so many different capabilities. 34:19 – Can you talk about your background as an educator? 34:28 – Sarah Drasner: I was a professor in the Greek Islands. I think teaching gives me so much joy. Especially for me to see the light in your student’s eyes. I think learning is really hard, so making that process easier for people is a goal of mine. I want to make materials easier for them to comprehend a certain topic or the material-at-hand. At first, I thought JavaScript was hard. Connecting the dots for people is worth it to me. It’s scaling my understanding. It’s moving things through the community – scale that knowledge. 36:43 – Creating resources for students that they never had. People, I am sure, are grateful for that. 37:19 – Sarah: t’s a really valuable thing to share this with one another. You can be a little bit selfish and when you have to teach a concept to a student this material will be embedded into you easier/better because you have to explain it. 38:12 – Sarah: What does the H Stand for? This article came up, because I had to answer someone’s question. Writing an article really solidifies your knowledge! 39:02 – Where do you like to teach? 39:07 – Sarah: Frontend Masters is one of them. It continues afterwards. 40:35 – Sarah: I still like making online content, the feedback you get in-person is very wonderful. 41:13 – Panelist adds comments. 41:47 – Sarah continues the conversation and talks about a specific conference. She talks about Nigeria and Nigerians. 43:06 – Sarah: It’s actually a huge venue. We rented a media company to help with stable Internet and web access. Just making sure that everything will be stable. It’s a real conference; it’s just free to them. It’s in a couple of days. I am feeling like that it’s a lot of stuff, but I know it will be valuable. We are looking for sponsorships!! It’s a great cause and totally engaging. 44:22 – Are you guys ready for your talks? 46:42 – Sarah: Her talk is going to be one of the best talks there. It can be quite political, but she doesn’t do that. What changes for the developer? It is quite masterful. She is doing a repeat performance. 47:16 – Panelist: I try... 47:24 – Sarah Drasner: I will be talking, too. 48:28 – Dumb jokes. 48:50 – Sarah: I feel that jokes don’t translate well across different countries. You have to find something more universal. I pick things that are universal to the human experience. 49:40 – Sarah: I guess in the introduction, I say who I am and then I bring Clippy on the stage... In addition, sometimes, TERRIBLE jokes go a long way! To show that you are actually human! 51:36 – A Wiki later... 51:48 – I put the bad jokes into the delivery. People need something to lighten the mood. 52:21 – Clippy and Microsoft Bob. 52:32 – E-Book Code Badges! 53:12 – Picks! Links: JavaScript Ruby on Rails Angular Digital Ocean Code Badge Notion Vue Sarah Drasner’s Article Sarah Drasner’s Twitter Sarah Drasner’s Website Sarah Drasner’s GitHub Sarah Drasner’s LinkedIn Sarah Drasner’s CSS-Tricks Sarah Drasner’s Medium Sponsors: Kendo UI Digital Ocean Code Badge Cache Fly Picks: Divya Sasidharan Article - Build a State Management Article - Where Vim Came From? Chris Fritz Dev Tools – Routing Tab and others Open Collective Sarah Drasner My friend’s speech / coworker, Ozcon Conference in Kenya the following year! Erik Hanchett Fidget Spinner Coder.Com Charles Max Wood Code Badge Notion.So
Panel: Charles Max Wood John Papa Ward Bell Special Guests: Ilya Bodrov & Roman Kutanov In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talks with Ilya and Roman. Ilya is a professor, writer, and developer. Roman is a cofounder, and a CEO, of a small startup company. Roman is making an application for small businesses, and he also was a CEO of a Russian startup, too. Check-out today’s episode where the panel talks to the guests about Angular, their startup companies, Test Cafe, among others. Show Topics: 1:20 – Guests’ backgrounds. 2:31 – Chuck: Let’s talk about Angular. In your opinion why is it a good option for startups? 2:55 – Guest: Angular is a very good choice. 3:55 – Guest: If you are not familiar with these concepts or a seasoned developer then it can be difficult and complex to get started. It really depends on what you are trying to build. 4:47 – Chuck: Once you get rolling with it then you run into limitations with it. If you need something simple and fast it’s really nice. 5:08 – Guest: Yes. Trying to find your market niche. Angular is very simple to transfer. Angular has a great community. There are some problems, and we know it. Like the whole mess with versions also... 6:27 – John: Can you elaborate a little? 6:34 – Guest: Yes, if you want to be in the latest technologies...so sometimes you get into a situation when you wan to have some libraries installed and you cannot do that. If you are on one version and this one isn’t supported, then it was a huge mess. 7:43 – Guest adds in more comments. 8:26 – Guest: Currently I have Angular 1. It is too complicated to rewrite. 8:40 – Guest adds comments. 8:57 – John: There would have to be a compelling reason for me to go to Angular 6 at this point. Going from 4 to 5 or 5 to 6 – the one feature – boy that is so amazing. To have it to update your app, and update your code then that’s awesome. If you didn’t know that a command changed then you were in trouble. I agree version control has always been a challenge. 10:20 – Guest: What I like about Angular is the community – it drives it in the right direction. They try to make it more productive and that’s what I like. 10:43 – Chuck: What is it like to run a startup? 10:56 – Guest: I started to write the application. What you see is what you get. I use Angular 1. JavaScript is a heavier language. 14:54 – Guest adds comments. 16:02 – Panelist: What kind of server are you using for your startup? 16:19 – Guest: I have Angular 1 as a backhand. The main application right now is... 17:11 – Panelist: What has the experience been like for people? 17:26 – Guest: Yes... 17:32 – Panelist: What were the benefits of using Angular? 17:40 – Guest: Angular was very helpful. The performance is much better. Important for startups is to know how to write functionality. 18:53 – Panelist: What forms were you using? 19:01 – Guest: Template driven. In Angular 1, I created “what you see is what you get.” 19:52 – Panelist: I am torn about forms. The Reactive side but you move a lot of code that doesn’t feel all that intuitive to me. There are pros and cons of each, but it’s not exactly where I want it to be. I would love to mix the 2 together. Have you dealt with validation in the forms? 21:04 – Digital Ocean’s Advertisement. 21:41 – Guest: I have an editor. I send it to the client. Each input is having some sort of validation. 23:17 – Panelist: How do you make them look good? Yeah, I can do it but how does it not look generic? Do you have a layout? 23:53 – Guest: I throw it into the screen – I try to keep it simple. 25:04 – Panelist: That makes sense. I didn’t know if there was a crossover of complexity. I want a balance between... 25:38 – Panelist: Reactive or Template driven? 25:45 – Guest makes comments. You want to have some custom checking. 26:13 – Panelist: Why was it hard? 26:21 – Guest: Not sure...I experimented a lot. 27:27 – Panelist: I gave up on Reactive. One of the killers for me was the nested components. It seemed to fall apart in my hands. It was extremely difficult. The outer form lost contact to what was going on. That was one of the biggest decisions to walk away from Reactive all together. 28:25 – Guest: Now I remember why I dropped templates. 28:44 – Panelist: Not true, but it’s doable! It’s also easy! You have to know what’s going on. Let’s change the story on this – I don’t want to hijack the podcast. 30:55 – Panelist: It makes your ears stand up. John’s objection was that he was putting a lot of stuff into HTML. 32:43 – Panelist: Every time I see some try to decorate the HTLM – no you don’t have to do that. The rules aren’t there. There are exceptions, of course, but real validation is not screen validation. Interestingly, we have written one for this application. It belongs to Marcel. This isn’t Breeze specific – maybe we an get people to working on it. For sure, even if you didn’t have this framework, you can create one on your own. It turns out that it has more models than you think it does. 34:55 – Panelist: Aside from forms, what mattered in your app? 35:22 – Guest answers the question. 36:01 – Panelist: Lazy Loading. In some apps lazy loading doesn’t make sense in all areas. You don’t always have to use. 36:53 – Guest: Yes, when you work for your employer you sometimes have more time available. When you have a startup it’s a race. Your startup doesn’t have any money. 37:24 – Panelist: You had money? 37:33 – Guest: You have to try new things and makes things right. When users really start really using your application. You can fix everything and make the perfect app or you can learn new things about your users. What problems do that have? 38:50 – Panelist: Question asked. 39:40 – Guest answers question. 40:38 – Protractor. 41:51 – Problems that you/we ran into. 42:21 – Panelist: “We” are using Test Cafe. 42:58 – Cypress. 44:10 – You do not need web driver and... 44:29 – Test Cafe is free. 44:39 – I would pay ten’s of dollars to use a piece of software. It’s a budget buster. 45:15 – Sounds like you guys have a great product there. 45:24 – Thanks for having us. 45:30 – Chuck: Let’s go to picks! 45:39 – Code Badges! 46:13 – Picks! Links: Microsoft’s Azure JavaScript Ruby Angular Test Cafe Cypress Ilya’s GitHub Ilya’s SitePoint Ilya’s Twitter Roman’s Crunchbase Roman’s LinkedIn Roman’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job course Picks: Charles Microsoft Ignite Microsoft Connect Follow me on Twitter! Apple Event John Pipelines – Azure VS Code Ward Test Cafe Ilya Framework Event Roman Michael Seibel’s Building Product MLcourse.AI – October 1st next session starts – it’s free
Panel: Charles Max Wood John Papa Ward Bell Special Guests: Ilya Bodrov & Roman Kutanov In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talks with Ilya and Roman. Ilya is a professor, writer, and developer. Roman is a cofounder, and a CEO, of a small startup company. Roman is making an application for small businesses, and he also was a CEO of a Russian startup, too. Check-out today’s episode where the panel talks to the guests about Angular, their startup companies, Test Cafe, among others. Show Topics: 1:20 – Guests’ backgrounds. 2:31 – Chuck: Let’s talk about Angular. In your opinion why is it a good option for startups? 2:55 – Guest: Angular is a very good choice. 3:55 – Guest: If you are not familiar with these concepts or a seasoned developer then it can be difficult and complex to get started. It really depends on what you are trying to build. 4:47 – Chuck: Once you get rolling with it then you run into limitations with it. If you need something simple and fast it’s really nice. 5:08 – Guest: Yes. Trying to find your market niche. Angular is very simple to transfer. Angular has a great community. There are some problems, and we know it. Like the whole mess with versions also... 6:27 – John: Can you elaborate a little? 6:34 – Guest: Yes, if you want to be in the latest technologies...so sometimes you get into a situation when you wan to have some libraries installed and you cannot do that. If you are on one version and this one isn’t supported, then it was a huge mess. 7:43 – Guest adds in more comments. 8:26 – Guest: Currently I have Angular 1. It is too complicated to rewrite. 8:40 – Guest adds comments. 8:57 – John: There would have to be a compelling reason for me to go to Angular 6 at this point. Going from 4 to 5 or 5 to 6 – the one feature – boy that is so amazing. To have it to update your app, and update your code then that’s awesome. If you didn’t know that a command changed then you were in trouble. I agree version control has always been a challenge. 10:20 – Guest: What I like about Angular is the community – it drives it in the right direction. They try to make it more productive and that’s what I like. 10:43 – Chuck: What is it like to run a startup? 10:56 – Guest: I started to write the application. What you see is what you get. I use Angular 1. JavaScript is a heavier language. 14:54 – Guest adds comments. 16:02 – Panelist: What kind of server are you using for your startup? 16:19 – Guest: I have Angular 1 as a backhand. The main application right now is... 17:11 – Panelist: What has the experience been like for people? 17:26 – Guest: Yes... 17:32 – Panelist: What were the benefits of using Angular? 17:40 – Guest: Angular was very helpful. The performance is much better. Important for startups is to know how to write functionality. 18:53 – Panelist: What forms were you using? 19:01 – Guest: Template driven. In Angular 1, I created “what you see is what you get.” 19:52 – Panelist: I am torn about forms. The Reactive side but you move a lot of code that doesn’t feel all that intuitive to me. There are pros and cons of each, but it’s not exactly where I want it to be. I would love to mix the 2 together. Have you dealt with validation in the forms? 21:04 – Digital Ocean’s Advertisement. 21:41 – Guest: I have an editor. I send it to the client. Each input is having some sort of validation. 23:17 – Panelist: How do you make them look good? Yeah, I can do it but how does it not look generic? Do you have a layout? 23:53 – Guest: I throw it into the screen – I try to keep it simple. 25:04 – Panelist: That makes sense. I didn’t know if there was a crossover of complexity. I want a balance between... 25:38 – Panelist: Reactive or Template driven? 25:45 – Guest makes comments. You want to have some custom checking. 26:13 – Panelist: Why was it hard? 26:21 – Guest: Not sure...I experimented a lot. 27:27 – Panelist: I gave up on Reactive. One of the killers for me was the nested components. It seemed to fall apart in my hands. It was extremely difficult. The outer form lost contact to what was going on. That was one of the biggest decisions to walk away from Reactive all together. 28:25 – Guest: Now I remember why I dropped templates. 28:44 – Panelist: Not true, but it’s doable! It’s also easy! You have to know what’s going on. Let’s change the story on this – I don’t want to hijack the podcast. 30:55 – Panelist: It makes your ears stand up. John’s objection was that he was putting a lot of stuff into HTML. 32:43 – Panelist: Every time I see some try to decorate the HTLM – no you don’t have to do that. The rules aren’t there. There are exceptions, of course, but real validation is not screen validation. Interestingly, we have written one for this application. It belongs to Marcel. This isn’t Breeze specific – maybe we an get people to working on it. For sure, even if you didn’t have this framework, you can create one on your own. It turns out that it has more models than you think it does. 34:55 – Panelist: Aside from forms, what mattered in your app? 35:22 – Guest answers the question. 36:01 – Panelist: Lazy Loading. In some apps lazy loading doesn’t make sense in all areas. You don’t always have to use. 36:53 – Guest: Yes, when you work for your employer you sometimes have more time available. When you have a startup it’s a race. Your startup doesn’t have any money. 37:24 – Panelist: You had money? 37:33 – Guest: You have to try new things and makes things right. When users really start really using your application. You can fix everything and make the perfect app or you can learn new things about your users. What problems do that have? 38:50 – Panelist: Question asked. 39:40 – Guest answers question. 40:38 – Protractor. 41:51 – Problems that you/we ran into. 42:21 – Panelist: “We” are using Test Cafe. 42:58 – Cypress. 44:10 – You do not need web driver and... 44:29 – Test Cafe is free. 44:39 – I would pay ten’s of dollars to use a piece of software. It’s a budget buster. 45:15 – Sounds like you guys have a great product there. 45:24 – Thanks for having us. 45:30 – Chuck: Let’s go to picks! 45:39 – Code Badges! 46:13 – Picks! Links: Microsoft’s Azure JavaScript Ruby Angular Test Cafe Cypress Ilya’s GitHub Ilya’s SitePoint Ilya’s Twitter Roman’s Crunchbase Roman’s LinkedIn Roman’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job course Picks: Charles Microsoft Ignite Microsoft Connect Follow me on Twitter! Apple Event John Pipelines – Azure VS Code Ward Test Cafe Ilya Framework Event Roman Michael Seibel’s Building Product MLcourse.AI – October 1st next session starts – it’s free
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