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Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/644 Presented By: Yellowstone Teton Territory, Skwala, Visit Helena, MT, FishHound Expeditions We've got Tom Bie, the editor of The Drake Magazine, back on the show. Tom's written about everything from the issues facing brown trout in the Grand Canyon to a wild story involving a dad and daughter busted by the FBI for selling synthetic weed. They even sued Tom for a quarter of a million dollars. Strap on the seatbelt, grab your beverage, and get comfortable. Let's get into this one with Tom Bie! Episode Chapters with Tom Bie on the Drake Magazine 02:26 - We get an update on Tom and The Drake Magazine since our last episode with him in October 2020. We also dive into the challenges facing journalism today. 07:52 - Tom praises Monte Burke for his storytelling skills and how he lets people share their stories. He also talks about Monte's latest work on Nick Lyons. 14:24 - Tom also highlights Jon Krakauer, known for his gripping books like Into the Wild. Krakauer's reporting on a Yosemite climber who committed serious crimes is a prime example of his courage and commitment to justice. 19:16 - We chat about the fish removal in the Grand Canyon. The issue revolves around removing brown trout to protect the native humpback chub. Tom highlights how this problem mirrors other areas, like Yellowstone. He explains that while protecting native species is important, it's tough when their removal affects popular sport fish that have been around for decades. There's also a bounty program where guides earn money for killing brown trout, which has led to the killing of over 6,000 fish. 35:49 - We discuss how changes in river flow and dam operations have impacted brown trout in the Grand Canyon. Starting around 2014, increased flow rates and historic high flows allowed more brown trout to migrate. 47:56 - We talk about ways to help with the fishing issues in the Grand Canyon and Yellowstone. Tom suggests people contact the National Park Service to express that killing sport fish might not be the best solution. Inside the Drake Magazine 54:33 - Tom shares that he always includes at least one in-depth reported piece per issue of the Drake Magazine. While essays are popular with readers, he often gets way more essays than actual reporting stories. Tom also explains that good reporting involves more than just writing; it needs interviews and research. He advises aspiring writers to use quotes from real conversations to improve their stories. 1:02:00 - Tom shares a crazy story about a father and daughter from Texas who got into big trouble for selling synthetic weed. Tom even got sued for talking about it on a podcast! The family also bought the Deneki lodges in Alaska, which was part of the money laundering charges. Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/644
If you're a fan of fly fishing writing and magazines then you've most likely heard of The Drake - an American quarterly that's been running for 25 years featuring some of the best writers covering the why rather than the how of fly fishing.It's got a unique voice run by its founder, publisher and editor, Tom Bie, who is also a regular visitor to these shores, sampling the brown trout and salmon fishing to be had.Soon after Tom visited Ireland earlier this year, we caught up with him to get his impressions of the fishing and how some of it compares to the waters he fishes in the States.....plus of course, we had to ask him about Drake mag and its 25 years of success……Rate, review and follow the show to keep up to date with all the latest Ireland on the Fly episodes on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. You can also get regular updates on Instagram.com/IrelandontheFly.
For 25 years The Drake Magazine has created a voice for the everyday fly angler. In this episode of Fin and Fire With Jeff Mishler, Tom tells the story of how The Drake evolved, his personal journey to this moment, and how young writers can create works destined for publication. Along the way, we also discover that we in fact went to the same junior high in a small Oregon town many years ago.
A year ago today, May 25, 2022, a fire started in the middle of the Bolivian jungle, burning down a lodge in one of the most sought-after fishing destinations in the world. To tell that story, we have Drake magazine founder, Tom Bie. To get more stories like this pick up a copy of The Drake at your local fly shop or subscribe at drakemag.com. This episode was made possible by generous support from The Eleven Experience, Scott Fly Rods, and Grundens. If you like the show, give em some of your money.
Today, with the help of Drake magazine editor and founder, Tom Bie, we'll be walking through what you can find in the Fall 2022 issue of the Drake. If you're hearing this, it means you should be able to buy it at your local fly shop or on our website, drakemag.com. Many thanks to Scott Fly Rods and The Eleven Experience for making this episode possible, and a big thanks to all of the advertisers in the print magazine as well. A shout out to Hansi Johnson for chatting with us about his photo. You can find him on instagram @hansski43
Today, with the help of Drake magazine editor and founder, Tom Bie, we'll be walking through what you can expect from the coming Fall 2021 issue of the Drake. If you're hearing this, it means you should be able to buy it at your local fly shop or on our website, Drakemag.com. Many thanks to Scott Fly Rods, The Eleven Experience, and Howler Brothers for making this episode possible, and a big thanks to all of the advertisers in the print magazine as well. A shout out to our voice actor Bobby Eckert, who is a guide in upstate New York. He plays a mean Alec Baldwin and knows what he's doing behind the oars. You can find him on instagram @freestoneflytours
Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/245 Sponsor: https://wetflyswing.com/togens Matt Snider is here to break down warm water fishing with a focus on fly fishing for Walleye. We find out how he first connected to the fly fishing space through Jackson Hole like so many other guests we've connected with. Matt is an expert on all warm water fish and today shares the strategy that he uses for all of these species. We also find out what Fish Explorer is all about and why he designed this app. Show Notes with Matt Snider - Matt and I connected through Clubhouse and Roger Maves who hosts the Ask About Fly Fishing Podcast. - The Orvis Shop in Jackson hole is the first shop that Matt worked in. -I noted Tom Bie and Lori Ann Murphy and the Jackson hole story. Tom Bie from the Drake was on the podcast in episode 162. Lori Ann Murphy was on the podcast in episode 195 here. - Perk Perkins was on in episode 225 and Gary Bebe and the first Chernobyl ant pattern - The Anglers Coffee podcast - The Aeropress podcast - I noted the members group - Matt talked to Lamson after hearing our Lamson podcast - Matt noted the Hexagenia hatch and when the You can find Matt at FishExplorer.com Conclusion on Fly Fishing for Walleye Matt Snider is on the podcast this week to shed some light on fly fishing for Walleye and how he marks the lake using satellite imagery. Matt is the founder of Fish explorer and a self proclaimed warm water fishing mad man. Be ready in this one as Matt and I veer off on a few tangents along the way including some coffee talk. But it also packs a punch if you are ready to dig into walleye and find out why walleye anglers are so passionate. Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/245
Tom Bie editor and founder of the drake stops into talk about running a Literary and News Magazine in the digital age in the Fly Fishing Industry works... How he turned a 1974 Mercury Marquis into a cultural icon in the fly fishing world nearly 10 years ago...How he took the idea of a film festival from the Ski industry and a bunch of footage of fishing trips and turned it into the Drake Movie Awards... oh and how his OSU Beavers have a 2-0 record agains the Fighting Irish... "Tom is a very humble person and would never claim it, but he has done more to create a "culture of fly fishing" than anyone in the industry in the last 25 years. The Drake Magazine basically created modern fly fishing culture by creating a place to share all the experiences, news stories, videos, writing, and things that unify us all as fly anglers." - Hogan Brown
Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/F3T Paul Nicoletti and Nick Jones are here to share the Fly Fishing Film Tour story and the killer films they have on tap this year. We find out how they made it happen this year with an amazing selection of films covering the world. Some of the 2020 Fly Fishing Film Tour includes a great film on MLK, Brian Kelly on the Green River with autoimmune disease, and many more. We dig into a few of the details of the season and how best to connect to the guys. Show Notes with the Fly Fishing Film Tour Crew - The Trout Bum Diaries was the start of the F3t. Tom Bie also had a huge role in getting it all started and was on the podcast in episode 162. - Warren Miller purchased Pocket Outdoor Media and acquired Outside magazine, Climbing magazine, outside TV and others are part of the bigger group now. - I noted Jurrasic Lake and the episode which will be out soon. - Elliott Adler was on the podcast in episode 54 and produced the Drake Podcast. - Paul noted Leap Year about Steelhead this year. Here's the trailer: - We talked about the Huge Fly Fisherman who was the co-host with Paul on the tour this year. - Ansil and the MLK story: 2021 F3T Trailer - "Mighty Waters" - We noted the So Fly Podcast and the 4 hour podcast which interviews the people behind each of the films in F3T/ - River Tigers was a great film. Here's the trailer. You can find Nick and Paul at FlyFilmTour.com Fly Fishing Film Tour Conclusion with Nick and Paul Nick Jones and Paul Nicoletti share the 2020 Fly Fishing Film Tour and the history of how it all came to become the leader in film production. We hear about how they both found themselves on the front end of selecting and running F3T. Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/F3T
Co-hosts Garrison and Corinne Doctor wrap up season 2 of Fishing Stories with a few misadventure stories from Tom Bie, editor of the Drake Magazine. We will be back in 2021 with more stories! In the meantime, shoot us comments, questions or your own Fishing Stories to tellusafishingstory@gmail.com Be sure to grab one at your local fly shop or subscribe, if you don’t already, to The Drake Magazine. Fishing Stories is brought to you by RepYourWater and Locke + Co Whiskey.
Show Notes: http://wetflyswing.com/168 We get the scoop on Northern California Fly Fishing today with Jared Shakin. Jared is a guide on the Yuba River and a number of other great Nor Cal rivers. He breaks out some tips on dry fly fishing the Yuba River. We also here the story of how Jared moved into guiding after life as an accountant. Lots of tangents in this one including a Mike Tyson comment and a conversation to whether Nor Cal has become a fly fishing meca. Show Notes with Jared Shakin - jared works with Fish First Fly Shop, Fly Fishing Specialties and the main one where Jared works in shop is Kiene's Fly Shop. - The North Yuba River is the main dry fly river for Jared. Here's a post that shows some of the Yuba. - The chubby chernobyl is one of the top 10 flies of all time and a killer for Jared. - I note Nick Hannah at the Barbless podcast who was on the show here in episode 119. - We talk about Jack Trout and the mentorship that Jack provides for Jared. - Tom Bie was on the podcast here and talked about skiing to guiding. - Roy Jones jr. on the Joe Rogan show. - We talk about the Mike Mercer episode and the missing link. - James Millard from OPST was on the podcast here to talk about micro spey. You can find Jared at Shakin Rods. “You miss one hundred percent of the shots you don't take.” -Wayne Gretzky Conclusion with Jared Shakin We dig into Northern California Fly Fishing today with Jared Shakin from Shakin Rods. We cover it all including dry fly fishing for trout, steelhead on the American and even a little on politics. Show Notes: http://wetflyswing.com/168
Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/164 We also dig into the differences between Flylords and some of the print magazines that are leading right now. We find out about the influence of Jared’s parents and how he manages the editing and process for a great online magazine. Support Our Podcast Sponsors So Fly Gear: https://wetflyswing.com/sofly Fly Fishing and Tying Journal: https://wetflyswing.com/ftj Show Notes with Jared Zissu From Flylords - The Lords of the Fly movie was the inspiration for Jared to go with Fly Lords. - Tom Bie from the Drake was on the magazine here. - Jared talks about the impact of getting denied to the Fly Fish Journal. I had Steve Duda, the editor on the podcast in episode 38 here. - I noted the Outdoors Online Marketing Podcast and the Kris Reid episode. - Dry Fly Fishing - Tips and Techniques is a good example of one of there ranking articles. - 7 things you never knew about a river runs through it. - I noted the John Shewey episode and Zach at Swing the Fly Magazine. - We talked about Moldy Chum, Mid Current, Gink and Gasoline and Angling Trade are all big online websites. - You can find Fly Lords on Instagram here. - We talked about Tik tok. You can find us there as well now. - Jab Jab Jab, Right Hook is Gary V's goto book for business. - The Monte Burke interview through Fly Lords. - The Mosquitoes and mayflies video as noted recently. - Rolf Nylinder has a great piece on Fly Lords. - Cloris Kylie was on the Outdoors Online Podcast here. - Here's the Go Pro post that Jared talks about. - The Casey Neistat ad for Nike. - We noted the stealth craft boat that was in the go pro video. - We talked about the Dun Magazine and the changes coming up due to covid and other changes in the industry. You can find Jared at Flylords Mag Resources Noted in the Show 7 Things you Never Knew about A River Runs Through It Conclusion with Jared Zissu Jared Zissu, the founder of Flylords is on the podcast to talk about how he built one of the biggest online fly fishing magazines. We find out why they are on Tik Tok, their target audience and how they connected with Go Pro. Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/164
Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/162 So Fly Gear: https://wetflyswing.com/sofly Fly Fishing and Tying Journal: https://wetflyswing.com/ftj Tom Bie, editor of the Drake Magazine, is here to share the story of how he got started and how the magazine came to be. Tom shares the story of how it all goes back to when he was a lifty at the ski resort. We hear about the influence from Powder magazine and the years leading up to the start of the Drake. Find out how Tom edits and chooses the essays to use in the magazine. He shares the one tip to get yourself published in the Drake Magazine. Show Notes with Tom Bie - The print version of Power Magazine just went out of business. - I noted the Marty Sheppard episode (not Sherman) sorry Marty. Here's the link to episode 76 with Marty and Mia. - Folsom Prison Blues - The 7th issue of Paddler magazine was the start of the Drake magazine. It got the Drake on the shelves of Barnes and Noble. - Field and Stream is no longer producing a print magazine but is different than the Drake as a vertical magazine. - Elliott Adler from the Drake was on the podcast in episode 54 here. - Elliott Adler's brother, Simon Adler, is a producer of the huge podcast Radio Lab. Here's Simon teaching podcasting. - John Gierach was on the podcast in episode 47 here. - I had Steve Duda on the Podcast here and the new editor of the FlyFish Journal, Jason Rolfe here. - The NewYorker is one of Tom's favorite magazines for a number of reasons. - Zach from Swing the Fly Magazine was on in episode 151 here. - Frank Moore's go fund me site and my interview with Frank here. - Wide Spread Panic, Phish and the Dead were all big bands for Tom in the day. - The Sweep Boats on the Middle Fork of the Salmon The Drake Magazine with Tom Bie at the Drake Magazine. Resources Noted in the Show Simon Adler Teaching Podcasting Videos Noted in the Show Sweep Boats on the Middle Fork Conclusion with Tom Bie We hear from Tom Bie, the editor of the Drake Magazine, one of the most respected fly fishing magazines on the planet. Tom shares the story of how he went into the army to pay for his journalism degree and other amazing stories from his life. We cover it all today including politics, conservation, fires and even a little on fishing. Leave a comment if you had a chance to listen to this episode with Tom Bie. Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/162
Drake editor Tom Bie takes us into a world of synthetic marijuana, federal criminal trials, and DEA seizures of... Alaskan float planes? This is truly a story not to be missed.
https://wetflyswing.com/118 I sat down with Pete Erickson to talk about euro nymphing and his experience developing one of the popular euro nymphing rods on the market, the Echo Shadow X. We find out which is the best length and weight, how to cast a euro nymphing rod and some bonus tips to help you while you are on the river. We also touch on Loch Style stillwater fishing and why it's something you should check out this year if you haven't heard about it yet. We touch on a little bit on grayling as associated with Pete's Team USA work. Show Sponsors Fly Fishing and Tying Journal: https://ftjangler.com/ (mention that you connected via Wet Fly Swing) Show Notes with Pete Erickson I've had a few Team USA guests on the podcast in the past including Jeff Currier, Devin Olsen and Lance Egan. We talk about Oliver White, Tom Rowland and the rest of the Jackson Hole gang that Pete was connected with in the early 1990's. Tom Bie and Lori-Ann Murphy were also all part of the crew in the early days. Pete won the great outdoor games and was invited to Team USA. Here's the fly rod breaking test video. The Shadow X Euro Nymphing Rod by Echo We talk about Vladi Trzebunia and the influence of him on Pete's fishing career. Pete notes the Lance Egan podcast where he covered Euro nymphing as well. The Stillwater fly rod series is the big next thing that Pete is working on. Pete fishes with Phil Rowley and we noted that he was on the podcast in episode 36 here. Loon and Clackacraft are two companies that Pete is connected with as an ambassador. Thievery Corporation was noted as a good fly fishing and tying groove. Click here and listen automatically on their site. I note the #LiarsDen story - You have to decide if this story is true or false. You can find Pete at Echo Fly Fishing here. Resources Noted in the Podcast The Shadow X Euro Nymphing Rods Videos Noted in the Show Thievery Corporation The Echo Rod Breaking Test Video Conclusion with Pete Erickson Pete and I dig into Euro Nymphing and rod design. Pete designed the new and great Echo Shadow X euro nymphing rod. Lots of history and tips and tricks today on the show including the story of how Pete won the ESPN Outdoor contest that launched him on his way. And if you’re interested in the right spey rod for steelhead, Click here to see the Echo Spey Rod: https://wetflyswing.com/echo (you get a free fly line if you use that link today) that has helped me drastically improve my spey cast and find more steelhead at a super reasonable cost. Recommended Spey Rod: https://wetflyswing.com/Echo
Tom Bie is the founder, publisher and editor-in-chief of The Drake Magazine, fly fishing’s grassroots journal that over the past 22 years has become a powerhouse in the industry. After working as past editor for Powder, Skiing, and Paddler magazines, Tom started the Drake in 1998 while living in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. In this episode, Jim and Tom discuss travel writing, our sport’s literary pioneers and legends, and the impact of modern social and print media on the sport of fly fishing and the natural resources we depend on. On a deeper level, Tom reflects on why we’re drawn to fishing and how our travel and adventure stories are written about, shared and enjoyed.
Tom Bie founded The Drake Magazine in 1998 and he has grown it to be one of the most respected magazines in the industry. With some of the finest fishing writers, it’s not hard to see why. In this episode of Anchored, I sit down with Tom to learn more about the evolution of his career, how he’s managed to keep his privacy while growing The Drake as a brand, and his infamous Drake forum board.
You’ve probably seen Geoff Mueller’s name below a thought-provoking essay in a magazine or industry publication. Geoff is the senior editor of The Drake magazine and is a copy-writer for over a dozen popular brands. Geoff began his career in BC’s newspaper circuit before becoming a managing editor at Fly Fisherman Magazine, and in 2010 he took on a job with Tom Bie at The Drake magazine, where is still working today. In this episode of Anchored I sit down with Geoff to discuss how he got involved in the industry, pushing people’s buttons and if we’re loving our rivers to death. Buy Geoff's Book: What a Trout Sees: A Fly-Fishing Guide to Life Underwater
Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/54 I had the pleasure of interviewing Elliott Adler - the host of the DrakeCast, one of the biggest fly fishing podcasts in the world. Elliott recently announced that he is leaving the DrakeCast. We talk about the media industry, his take on Team USA fly fishing, and how the Drakecast came to be. It was fun to get his perspective on a number of issues in fly fishing and story telling. Show Sponsors: The Grey Drake: https://www.thegreydrake.com/ Ty-Rite.com: http://ty-rite.com Our Patreon: https://wetflyswing.com/patreon Show Notes with Elliott Adler I bring up Seth Godin again and about starting a rukous. Simms company as a show sponsor of the cast and discussed in this episode. The Fly Fishing Collaborative article on at the Drake magazine. Steve Duda notes conservation as a topic on this episode. Moldy Chum is one of Elliott's goto resources. Elliott's brother is a producer of the podcast Radiolab, one of the largest podcasts out there. In episode 47, John Gierach talks about a podcast only being as good as it's guests. Tailer Trash was noted in the show The book tribes by Seth Godin Here's a link to the DrakeCast interview with Tom Bie. Oliver White was part of the group at the beginning of the big movement in fly fishing to get The Struggle years of the NBA until Magic, Bird and Jordan came to be. We talk about the Team USA fly fishing and Elliott's take. John Shewey Saltry Lake Lodge in Alaska is where Elliott spent some time guiding. Hank Patterson was the biggest episode of the Drakecast. Conclusion with Elliott Adler Elliot went into some great topics on this one. I love it when a guest shares their opinion on something and you feel the passion. It is these times when it helps you to think differently. Click the link below to get the summary sheet: http://wetflyswing.com/the-drakecast-with-host-elliott-adler-podcasting-fly-fishing-drake-magazine
Roughly a week ago the Summer 2018 issue of the Drake Magazine hit fly shop shelves and mailboxes across the country. This episode, like others that have come before, is going to take a brief peak into the pages of the magazine (in audio form of course). But seeing as this issue marks the 20th Anniversary of The Drake, we're going to do things a bit differently. Not only do we get to hear Editor & Founder Tom Bie explain the contents, we also get to hear how 20 years ago an underemployed newspaper columnist/fishing guide/ski bum started a magazine that grew to represent a culture. Stick around. Many thanks to Yellow Dog Flyfishing Adventures, Scott Fly Rods, & Deli Fresh Design for making this episode possible. If you like the podcast, support our supporters via the links below. www.delifreshdesign.com/ www.yellowdogflyfishing.com/ www.scottflyrod.com/
Here is what you can expect from the Spring Issue of The Drake: Wisconsin smallies, Montana cutties, Bolivian dorado, Idaho damselflies, Utah tailwaters, Massachusetts Stripers, Alaska Steelhead, defeated pipelines, permit while pregnant, Maine's Androscoggin, Darcy Bacha's photography, Clyde hits the Gulf, Telluride festavarian, dirtbagging in Dublin, grave-hunting in New York, flyfishing with cats, and a portrait of Pete Soverel.
In this episode of The DrakeCast, we get a quick preview of the Winter 2017 issue of the Drake Magazine. Right off the bat we hear Drake Editor, Tom Bie, tell us about his favorite parts of the recently released issue. Later on, author and frequent Drake contributor Dave Karczynski tells us about two books that he just published, the first of which is titled, "Smallmouth: Modern Fly Fishing Methods, Tactics & Techniques." His second book is a transitional text called, "From Lure to Fly: Fly Fishing for Spinning and Baitcast Anglers." Later on we chat with architect and author Michael Graybrook about his book, "Cutthroat: A Journey Through The American West." And finally, we hear Graybrook read a chapter from this book. Many thanks to Scott Fly Rods and Yellow Dog Flyfishing Adventures for their continued support of The DrakeCast. For more information on the magazine and all of the aforementioned books, visit our website: www.drakemag.com Here's a quick synopsis of what you can expect from the Winter 2017 issue of the Drake Magazine: Illinois carp, Argentine brookies, Texas redfish, New York stripers, Colorado cutthroat, Oregon steelhead, St. Lawrence pike, Honduras permit, speed-guiding in Alaska, those bird-eating GTs, three great books, white flies in Wisconsin, backcountry in the Smokies, winter on the Madison, and the tragic loss of one blue jacket.
A lot of people claim social media has killed flyfishing. But has it? In this episode of The DrakeCast we chat with parties on both sides of the divide as we suss out the positive and negative impacts social media has had on flyfishing. The backbone of this episode traces the experience of an Idaho fishing guide as well as the growth of a flyfishing company. Through these experiences of these separate groups, we are able to see a fuller picture of how social media has impacted flyfishing. We also have a great chat with the great Kelly Galloup, who is always reliable when it comes to giving a good quote or two. Additionally, this is the episode that the ever-flippant Tom Bie makes his inaugural appearance. I couldn't have been happier to shove a fuzzy microphone in my boss's face. Many thanks to Yellow Dog Flyfishing Adventures and Scott Fly Rods for their continued support. For more information on this episode, check out our website: http://www.drakemag.com/drakecast/1866-the-drakecast-fly-fishing-podcast-19-social-media-flyfishing-instagram.html
This week, the main event is a fascinating podcast with Tom Bie, editor and publisher (and founder) of The Drake Magazine, an unconventional, edgy fly fishing publication that addresses the new, media-related fly fishing culture. Tom talks about his favorite fish, the steelhead, and about his passion for swinging flies, East vs. West, hatchery vs. wild steelhead, using Spey rods, and lots on the philosophy of the best swing speed for steelhead. We also touch on steelhead flies, and the future of fly fishing in general. It’s a great interview and a little more cerebral than we usually get on the podcast. Also in this week’s Fly Box, we circle back to fly tying materials to get a little more clarity on thread sizes and types of elk hair. I answer questions on fighting big trout in confined quarters, what to do if a big trout sulks, the difference between a creek, brook, and river; the characteristics of spring creeks, tailwaters, chalk streams, and freestone streams; sight fishing to trout in shallow water without indicators, and just why a Zebra midge with a pink body sometimes out-fishes one with the standard black-and-white body.
If fly fishing has an iconoclast, it's Tom Bie. As the publisher, editor, and owner of The Drake, arguably fly-fishing's most high-concept national magazine and certainly one of its best, Bie has made a conscious effort to cater to "the guides, instead of the guys who hire the guides." Don't miss this unique interview.