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Conversational Counseling is where discipleship and counseling meet. Each season we help you apply biblical truths to your everyday life and to the lives of those around you. After decades of having these conversations in the counseling room and side by

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    • Aug 6, 2026 LATEST EPISODE
    • every other week NEW EPISODES
    • 39m AVG DURATION
    • 102 EPISODES

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    The Conversational Counseling podcast has been an incredibly valuable resource for me as I seek to grow in my understanding of biblical counseling. Each episode is filled with sound biblical teachings and the relatable life experiences of hosts Brenda and Alex. Through their conversations and the practical tools they provide, I have been able to share what I've learned with others who are hurting in my life and through my ministry. As I work towards my biblical counseling certification, these podcasts have become a treasured source of wisdom and encouragement.

    One of the best aspects of this podcast is how relatable Brenda and Alex are. They openly share their own ups and downs, as well as their mistakes, in counseling. This transparency helps me see that God uses us no matter what if we are willing. Additionally, they consistently remind listeners that it's all about the work of the Holy Spirit and not about our own abilities or efforts. This reminder is crucial for me as I tend to rely too much on myself rather than trusting in God's power. I also appreciate how practical the information provided in each episode is, with a consistent focus on Jesus as the ultimate source of healing and transformation.

    I honestly can't think of any significant drawbacks or worst aspects of this podcast. The only minor criticism could be that occasionally some episodes may feel repetitive if you've been listening for a while, but this is likely inevitable given the nature of counseling topics. Overall, the quality of content and presentation far outweighs any small repetition.

    In conclusion, The Conversational Counseling podcast has had a transformative impact on my faith life and how I share that faith with others. It equips listeners with valuable tools for loving God, loving others, and serving well. Brenda and Alex's wisdom and insights make a tangible difference in the lives of their audience, including myself. I am immensely grateful for this podcast and eagerly anticipate each new episode that drops. If you're looking for rich conversation about counseling that interacts with everyday life and relationships, this is the podcast for you.



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    S13 Ep. 5 Tool / How to Prevent Growing Apart

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 6, 2026 10:43


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    S13 Ep. 5 / Living for Heaven when Marriage is Hard

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 4, 2026 35:28


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    S13 Ep. 4 Tool / How to Rebuild Trust in Marriage

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 30, 2026 13:11


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    S13 Ep. 4 / The "Secret" for a Lasting Marriage

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 28, 2026 41:38


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    S13 Ep. 3 Tool / How to Fight Fair in Your Marriage

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 23, 2026 15:43


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    S13 Ep. 3 Tool / Fighting for Marriage After the Fall

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 23, 2026 12:09


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    S13 Ep. 3 / When Marriage Meets the Fall

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 21, 2026 39:24


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    S13 Ep. 2 Tool / Marriage: Designed for Delight

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 16, 2026 10:33


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    S13 Ep. 2 / What is My Marriage For?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 14, 2026 55:28


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    S13 Ep. 1 Tool / Am I Fighting My Spouse or My Past?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 9, 2026 7:54


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    S13 Ep. 1 / Marriage: Are You Missing the Bigger Story?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 7, 2026 38:59


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    Bonus: What Does It Mean to Be Human? with Marty Solomon

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2026 49:48


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    S12 Ep. 6 / Boundaries: Your Questions Answered

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 3, 2026 38:56


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    S12 Ep. 5 / Stop Being a Doormat

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 24, 2026 38:16


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    S12 Ep. 4 / How to Set Boundaries: Step-by-Step

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 17, 2026 31:02


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    S12 Ep. 3 / Is It Time to Draw the Line?

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 10, 2026 38:13


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    S12 Ep. 2 / Boundaries Are in the Bible

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 3, 2026 29:09


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    S12 Ep. 1 / Boundaries are NOT Mean

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2026 33:39


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    S11 Ep. 8 / Barriers, Delays, and the Mystery of Prayer

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 18, 2025 38:22


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    S11 Ep. 7 / Guided Scripture Prayer

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 11, 2025 30:57


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    S11 Ep. 6 / Contemplative Prayer

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 4, 2025 37:29


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    Season 11 Ep. 5 / Lament and Process Journaling

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 28, 2025 53:19


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    S11 Ep. 4 / Lectio Divina

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2025 26:14


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    S11 Ep. 3 / The Immanuel Journal

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 14, 2025 28:26


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    S11 Ep. 2 / The Examen Prayer

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 7, 2025 26:34


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    S11 Ep. 1 / What is Prayer?

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2025 34:17


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    S10 Ep. 7 / You Have to Believe What I Believe

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 15, 2025 26:48


    >> Click HERE to get free visuals, handouts and discussion questions for Conversational Counseling sent straight to your email! What is your posture when you join someone on their journey to comfort and change? If our first priority is to influence or teach, we risk pushing our framework of beliefs on others rather than prioritizing love. In 1 Corinthians 13, Paul opens the chapter by reminding the church about the importance of sharing truth with love. As Christians and counselors, we should never compromise on the essentials of the gospel when we're pursuing love. But at the same time, we must recognize that our framework about the nonessentials is colored by our own experiences, training and mentors. Scholars and biblical leaders have studied the Bible for centuries and still disagree on many nonessentials. When we push our framework of these nonessentials on others, they can feel unheard and pressured to conform to a belief that isn't foundational to their Christian walk. As Paul exhorts in 1 Corinthians, we must emphasize love. Jesus, our better Counselor, welcomes people to Himself, not a certain denomination or school of thought. Just as He's sanctified us, He can sanctify others and deepen their understanding of Him and His Word.Resources:Connect with other Christians and counselors: Gospel-Centered Biblical Counseling and Equipping Facebook Group with Bob KellemenSeason 10 of Conversational Counseling on “Do as I Say Not as I Do.”To sign up for free visuals and discussion questions for this season click ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.Our theme music is by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠As Isaac⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.This podcast is made possible by engineer and producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shane Selby⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, executive producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Meleah Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠generous donors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Known Ministries⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alex Kocher⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and Brenda Payne.

    S10 Ep. 6 / Your Body Doesn't Matter!

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 8, 2025 26:08


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    S10 Ep. 5 / It Doesn't Matter What I Believe

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 1, 2025 48:59


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    S10 Ep. 4 / I Can Fix That!

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 24, 2025 33:14


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    S10 Ep. 3 / My Life Has To Be Perfect

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 17, 2025 30:52


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    S10 Ep.2 / I Must Always Be Available!

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 10, 2025 34:47


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    S10 Ep. 1 / It's All Up to Me!

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 3, 2025 33:12


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    S9 Ep. 8 / Trauma: Caring for Yourself as You Walk with Others

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2025 31:21


    Disclaimer: This season is about trauma, and it might be difficult at times for some listeners. It's not graphic, but each episode does cover sensitive topics.⁠>> Click HERE to get free visuals, handouts and discussion questions for Conversational Counseling sent straight to your email!

    S9 Ep. 7 / Trauma: Helping Someone Tell Their Trauma Story

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 18, 2025 48:23


    Disclaimer: This season is about trauma, and it might be difficult at times for some listeners. It's not graphic, but each episode does cover sensitive topics.⁠>> Click HERE to get free visuals, handouts and discussion questions for Conversational Counseling sent straight to your email!

    S9 Ep. 6 / Trauma: Safe in Relationship

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 11, 2025 34:38


    Disclaimer: This season is about trauma, and it might be difficult at times for some listeners. It's not graphic, but each episode does cover sensitive topics.⁠⁠>> Click HERE to get free visuals, handouts and discussion questions for Conversational Counseling sent straight to your email!

    S9 Ep. 5 / Trauma: Safe in God

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 4, 2025 55:47


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    S9 Ep. 4 / Tiffany Higginbotham: Safe in Our Body

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 25, 2025 75:22


    Disclaimer: This season is about trauma, and it might be difficult at times for some listeners. It's not graphic, but each episode does cover sensitive topics.⁠>> Click HERE to get free visuals, handouts and discussion questions for Conversational Counseling sent straight to your email!

    S9 Ep. 3 / Trauma: Walking with Others

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 18, 2025 58:01


    Disclaimer: This season is about trauma, and it might be difficult at times for some listeners. It's not graphic, but each episode does cover sensitive topics.⁠>> Click HERE to get free visuals, handouts and discussion questions for Conversational Counseling sent straight to your email!

    S9 Ep. 2 / Trauma: Two Types

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 11, 2025 52:00


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    S9 Ep. 1 / Introduction to Trauma

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 4, 2025 51:34


    Disclaimer: This season is about trauma, and it might be difficult at times for some listeners. It's not graphic, but each episode does cover sensitive topics. ⁠>> Click HERE to get free visuals, handouts and discussion questions for Conversational Counseling sent straight to your email!

    S8 Ep. 6 / The Good News for Sinners: Gospel Waltz (Love)

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 5, 2024 46:42


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    S8 Ep. 5 / The Good News for Sinners: Gospel Waltz (Believe)

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 29, 2024 41:20


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    S8 Ep. 4 / The Good News for Sinners: Gospel Waltz (Confess)

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 22, 2024 36:24


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    S8 Ep. 3 / The Capture of the Heart

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 15, 2024 38:08


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    S8 Ep. 1 / The Heart of the Problem is the Problem of the Heart

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 8, 2024 41:38


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    S8 Ep. 1 / Ten Reasons Why We MUST Talk about Sin!

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 1, 2024 50:10


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    S7 Ep. 6 / Telling One Woman's Story with Lauren Duncan

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 7, 2024 42:10


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    S7 Ep. 5 / You Have a Story (Part 2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 1, 2024 28:43


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    S7 Ep. 5 / You Have a Story (Part 1)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 31, 2024 27:30


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    S7 Ep. 4 / Competing Stories

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 24, 2024 34:02


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