Podcast appearances and mentions of jarrett adams

Jarrett Adams is a defense attorney, author, and founder of Life After Justice, a nonprofit focused on fighting wrongful convictions and supporting reintegration for exonerated individuals. In this episode, we get into his story of being wrongfully convicted at 17, the realities of navigating the criminal justice system, and the harsh conditions inside a supermax prison. We discuss the systemic issues that lead to wrongful convictions, including overburdened public defenders, incentivized witnesses, and racial bias in jury selection. We also explore the prison industrial complex, its economic incentives, and how it profits from incarcerated individuals.  

Bakari is joined by attorney Jarrett Adams, who was once falsely accused of a crime, wrongfully convicted, and served 10 years of a 28-year sentence. Jarrett talks about what happened after a night out with friends led to them ending up in prison. He lays out the steps of how he became a civil rights attorney, and how he plans on fixing mass incarceration for Black people. Host: Bakari Sellers Guest: Jarrett Adams Producer: Clifford Augustin Executive Producer: Jarrod Loadholt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A young Black man, wrongfully accused of sexual assault, is convicted nonetheless. Evidence that could've exonerated him is withheld or covered up, and he spends much of his youth in prison. It sounds like a movie-of-the-week, but it was the real life nightmare of Jarrett Adams. Throughout his incarceration, he fought for his freedom and eventually won. Now, he's a defense attorney who helps other wrongfully convicted people find justice, and build better lives on the outside through his organization Life After Justice. On today's episode of A Word, Jarrett Adams joins host Jason Johnson to talk about his experience with the criminal justice system, and why the punishment may continue long after a conviction is overturned.  Guest: Jarrett Adams, co-founder of the non-profit organization Life After Justice  Podcast production by Kristie Taiwo-Makanjuola Want more A Word? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/awordplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A young Black man, wrongfully accused of sexual assault, is convicted nonetheless. Evidence that could've exonerated him is withheld or covered up, and he spends much of his youth in prison. It sounds like a movie-of-the-week, but it was the real life nightmare of Jarrett Adams. Throughout his incarceration, he fought for his freedom and eventually won. Now, he's a defense attorney who helps other wrongfully convicted people find justice, and build better lives on the outside through his organization Life After Justice. On today's episode of A Word, Jarrett Adams joins host Jason Johnson to talk about his experience with the criminal justice system, and why the punishment may continue long after a conviction is overturned.  Guest: Jarrett Adams, co-founder of the non-profit organization Life After Justice  Podcast production by Kristie Taiwo-Makanjuola Want more A Word? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/awordplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A young Black man, wrongfully accused of sexual assault, is convicted nonetheless. Evidence that could've exonerated him is withheld or covered up, and he spends much of his youth in prison. It sounds like a movie-of-the-week, but it was the real life nightmare of Jarrett Adams. Throughout his incarceration, he fought for his freedom and eventually won. Now, he's a defense attorney who helps other wrongfully convicted people find justice, and build better lives on the outside through his organization Life After Justice. On today's episode of A Word, Jarrett Adams joins host Jason Johnson to talk about his experience with the criminal justice system, and why the punishment may continue long after a conviction is overturned.  Guest: Jarrett Adams, co-founder of the non-profit organization Life After Justice  Podcast production by Kristie Taiwo-Makanjuola Want more A Word? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/awordplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A young Black man, wrongfully accused of sexual assault, is convicted nonetheless. Evidence that could've exonerated him is withheld or covered up, and he spends much of his youth in prison. It sounds like a movie-of-the-week, but it was the real life nightmare of Jarrett Adams. Throughout his incarceration, he fought for his freedom and eventually won. Now, he's a defense attorney who helps other wrongfully convicted people find justice, and build better lives on the outside through his organization Life After Justice. On today's episode of A Word, Jarrett Adams joins host Jason Johnson to talk about his experience with the criminal justice system, and why the punishment may continue long after a conviction is overturned.  Guest: Jarrett Adams, co-founder of the non-profit organization Life After Justice  Podcast production by Kristie Taiwo-Makanjuola Want more A Word? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/awordplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

[Original air date: April 18, 2017]. Wrongfully convicted at the age of 17, and sentenced to 28 years in a maximum security prison, Jarrett Adams felt lost on lockdown and ultimately had to fight for the justice he truly deserved. Come meet the attorney, legal advocate, and co-founder of Life After Justice as he opens up to Tom Bilyeu in this inspirational episode of Impact Theory. SHOW NOTES Jarrett describes the desolation and loneliness of being wrongfully convicted. [2:50] Jarrett talks about the maturation process that brought him closer to his mom. [8:38] Tom and Jarrett discuss why he chose to pursue law after prison. [10:19] Jarrett talks about the power of being driven by a passionate focus. [13:31] Jarrett recalls feeling lost on lockdown and receiving a wakeup call from Pops. [15:31] Tom and Jarrett discuss how writing letters facilitated his growth. [24:09] Jarrett reveals how he leveraged his experiences to jumpstart his legal education. [28:13] Jarrett shares an important lesson he learned in the visiting room. [33:50] Jarrett reveals a moment when his journey came full circle. [38:09] Tom and Jarrett dig into the business of imprisonment. [41:12] Jarrett breaks down why education is the solution to establish change from the inside out. [46:10] Jarrett talks about how he went from paying his mother back to paying it forward. [50:10] Jarrett defines the impact that he wants to have on the world. [54:15] FOLLOW JARRETT PERSONAL WEBSITE: http://bit.ly/2nZUuSQ ORGANIZATION WEBSITE: http://bit.ly/2okfLCO TWITTER: http://bit.ly/2pOFe7O LINKEDIN: http://bit.ly/2oRYfJp FOLLOW TOM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter: https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dick’s guest, Jarrett Adams was wrongfully convicted for rape at the age of 17. 11 years later he was exonerated. He discusses how he went from “jailhouse lawyer” to real-life lawyer and how he uses his life experience to help exonerate others as well as improve the criminal justice system. Jarrett Adams is also the author […]

Dick's guest, Jarrett Adams was wrongfully convicted for rape at the age of 17. 11 years later he was exonerated. He discusses how he went from “jailhouse lawyer” to real-life lawyer and how he uses his life experience to help exonerate others as well as improve the criminal justice system. Jarrett Adams is also the author […]

This week on Everyday Injustice Jarrett Adams – himself exonerated of a wrongful conviction – is seeking to undo a massive injustice in Virginia. Despite the fact that a jury found Terrence Richardson and Ferrone Claiborne not guilty of murder, a judge was able to sentence them to life in prison. They have currently spent 22 years behind bars, but Jarrett Adams is trying to free them, having recently argued before the Virginia Supreme Court. “The Court's decision to sentence Terrence and Ferrone to life in prison despite being found not guilty robbed due process of its very meaning,” said Jarrett Adams. “The U.S. Supreme Court must do away with its ruling in U.S. v Watts, which gives a judge the discretion to make a jury's finding meaningless, and prevent further miscarriages of justice from occurring like the one we see in this case.” Listen to Adams describing this remarkable and unthinkable injustice in the criminal legal system.

Our Street Politicians are back for the new year, and this week they spoke with Jarrett Adams, who was once wrongfully convicted of a crime, but now a co-founder in a non-profit called Life After Justice, dedicated to preventing wrongful convictions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Its 2022 and its WEEK ONE NFL. THE NFL IS BACK and so is the AGAINST THE SPREAD PODCAST. This time with a special guest from NBA Fan Club Fame, Isaiah Johnson of Pioneer Studios. Isaiah Johnson and Jarrett Adams discuss their picks for Week One. Good Luck and Bet Responsible.

Raven speaks with civil rights and defense attorney and author Jarrett Adams, who spent 10 years in prison as an innocent man. They discuss his life, his memoir, and the cases he is currently working on in Ada, Oklahoma - Jeffrey Garrett Peterson and Anthony Meely. To find out more about Jarrett, where to find his book, or the cases discussed, check out the website at www.thesirenspodcast.com. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thesirenspodcast/message

Jarrett Adams was a high school student and made one mistake - he went to a college party, ending up wrongly convicted for the rape of a white college woman having been convicted by an all-white jury - and facing nearly 30 years in prison. It took him nearly ten years to get exonerated with the help of the Wisconsin Innocence Project. Amazingly, he took the lessons he learned as a jailhouse attorney during his incarceration and worked his way through law school and now has a non-profit, dedicated to exonerating the wrongly convicted. As he explains - his book takes you through his journey and you feel like you are in the shoes of that scared 17-year-old, who has no idea what is in store for him. Listen as Jarrett Adams talks about his experience behind bars, being wrongly convicted, how he got through law school and his current work. He also discusses the role that race played in his wrongful conviction and the criminal legal system.

The Successful Business and Practice of Law - Presented by LAWCLERK - Jarrett Adams - My Journey From Being Wrongfully Convicted to Now Fighting For JusticeHOST: Greg GarmanIntroduction:Welcome to The Successful Business and Practice of Law. On today's episode, I'm talking with Jarrett Adams about the changes that need to be made in the criminal justice system. Jarrett shares his tragic and inspiring story about being wrongfully convicted of a crime he didn't commit.  But instead of dwelling on this horrible injustice that has been done, Jarrett decided to go to law school and change things from inside the system.   Jarrett has worked with the Innocence Project and is the co-founder of Life After Justice, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to preventing wrongful convictions and developing an ecosystem of support and empowerment for exonerees' as they rebuild their lives after exoneration. He is an attorney, author of Redeeming Justice, and a man on a mission to help those who have been neglected and wronged.The Successful Business and Practice of Law is brought to you by LAWCLERK. This is a place where we can have conversations with lawyers who have achieved outsized success, those who are building innovative business models, and those who are simply doing things differently. We may also cover how technology is changing what we do. The main focus, however, is on how we run our businesses and practices in order to make them better.Talking Points:●      Problems with the criminal justice system●      The difference between the US adversarial system and the English system●      The impact of race within the criminal justice system ●      Jarrett's experience when he was wrongfully convicted of a crime●      The realism behind going from warehousing people to rehabilitation●      What led to Jarrett's wrongful conviction●      What it's going to take to make changes●      Judicial discretion versus mandatory sentencing●      Building a business model around doing good●      What Jarrett wants to buildResources/Links:Jarrett Adams: https://jarrettadamslaw.com/Redeeming Justice by Jarrett Adams: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/624157/justice-for-sale-by-jarrett-adams/9780593395905Life After Justice: https://www.lifeafterjustice.org/Innocence Project: https://innocenceproject.org/LawClerk: official websiteQuotes:“You can call yourself whatever you want but when you're an attorney, you serve the people.” – Jarrett Adams“The scariest thing I saw was the people getting out of prison in the winter time, only to return by the end of summer.” – Jarrett Adams“We have to go with discretion but the discretion can't be unchecked.” – Jarrett Adams

Jarrett Adams served 10 years in Wisconsin prisons for a crime he didn't commit. We talk with him about his journey to becoming a lawyer and where he sees the need for changes in the criminal justice system. We also talk with a neuroscientist about why some anxiety can be good for us.

Jarrett Adams served 10 years in Wisconsin prisons for a crime he didn't commit. We talk with him about his journey to becoming a lawyer and where he sees the need for change in the criminal justice system. Plus, a chef shares her favorite ways to use potatoes in the kitchen.

Jarrett Adams served ten years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. After securing his release, he became a lawyer dedicated to overturning other wrongful convictions.

Just in time for Kickoff, heres Jarrett Adams' picks for Week 13 of the 2021 NFL Season.

Week 10 of the 2021 NFL Season is here and so is another Against the Spread Podcast with Jarrett Adams and the Stat Guy. Listen up and Bet Wisely!

At 17 years old, Jarrett Adams was wrongfully convicted of sexual assault and sentenced to 18 years in a maximum security prison. He served 10 years before being exonerated with the help of the Wisconsin Innocence Project. Adams would then go on to become a lawyer himself, with the goal of helping those who, like himself, had faced discrimination in the legal system.rnrnIn August 2016, Jarrett Adams joined the City Club to share this story. In his new book, "Redeeming Justice: From Defendant to Defender, My Fight for Equity on Both Sides of a Broken System", Adams outlines the racist tactics used to convict young men of color, the unique challenges facing exonerees once released, and how the lack of equal representation in our courts is a failure not only of empathy but of our collective ability to uncover the truth.rnrnWhat are the limits, and possibilities, of our country's system of law? And what can we learn from Jarrett Adams' story to work toward a justice system is truly just for all?rnrnJarrett Adams earned his Juris Doctorate from Loyola University Chicago School of Law in May 2015 and started a public-interest law fellowship with Ann Claire Williams, judge for the Seventh Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, the same court that reversed his conviction. Jarrett also clerked in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York with the late Honorable Deborah Batts. After working for the Innocence Project in New York, he launched the Law Office of Jarrett Adams, PLLC, in 2017, and now practices in both federal and state courts throughout the country.

Just in time for Kick off for Week 8 of the 2021 NFL Season, Jarrett Adams welcomes back the Stat Guy for some expert picks! Make sure you like, share and subscribe!

Fresh off a 4-0 Cashout Weekend in Week 5, Jarrett Adams is back for Week 6 with his Expert Picks! LOCK IT UP! Pay attention and remember to bet at your own risk!

Mims discusses the case of Margaret Anderson who was brutally raped and murdered in Green Bay, WI. https://www.wqow.com/news/law-enforcement-id-woman-found-dead-in-suitcase-last-year/article_45ac5c76-2550-11ec-a4e0-e71f6cd5da46.html Falon discusses the wrongful conviction of Jarrett Adams. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/13/us/jarrett-adams-great-big-story-trnd/index.html https://madisoncommons.org/2018/06/13/wisconsins-wrongfully-convicted-get-voices-heard-through-states-innocence-project/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/falon86/support

At 17 years old, Jarrett Adams was wrongly convicted and sentenced to 28 years in prison. It took him ten years to prove his innocence. As shocking as Jarrett's story is, he will be the first to tell you that it is not as unique as you think. Join Meghan Paulas for her conversation with Jarrett, author of Redeeming Justice, about his journey through the broken criminal legal system and why it's all too common to be Black, innocent, and convicted. ----------------- Join the Progressive Legal Movement Today: ACSLaw.org Today's Host: Meghan Paulas, Vice President of Network Advancement at ACS Guest: Jarrett Adams, Attorney at The Law Offices of Jarrett Adams Link: Jarrett's Book "Redeeming Justice" Link: Life After Justice Link: National Registry of Exonerations Visit the Podcast Website: Broken Law Podcast Email the Show: Podcast@ACSLaw.org Follow ACS on Social Media: Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | LinkedIn | YouTube ----------------- Production House: Flint Stone Media Copyright of American Constitution Society 2021.

Michael speaks with Jarrett Adams. Adams was wrongfully convicted of a crime at age 17 and sentenced to 28 years in a maximum-security prison. He used the injustice he endured as motivation to become an advocate and attorney for others facing similar injustice.

S6 E68: In this episode, meet civil rights and education litigator Qian Julie Wang, criminal defense lawyer Jarrett Adams, and former chair and CEO of PepsiCo Indra Nooyi. Each of these authors decided to share their personal stories and histories in the hopes of helping people learn, grow, and, ultimately, build a better world. Listen in as they talk about recording their audiobooks. Beautiful Country by Qian Julie Wang: https://www.penguinrandomhouseaudio.com/book/670389/beautiful-country/ Redeeming Justice by Jarrett Adams: https://www.penguinrandomhouseaudio.com/book/624157/redeeming-justice/ My Life in Full by Indra Nooyi: https://www.penguinrandomhouseaudio.com/book/646640/my-life-in-full/

Just in time for Kickoff for Week 3 of the 2021 NFL Season, host Jarrett Adams gives some great picks! Tune in, Like, Subscribe! And always remember to bet at your own risk!

Michael speaks with Jarrett Adams. Adams was wrongfully convicted of a crime at age 17 and sentenced to 28 years in a maximum-security prison. He used the injustice he endured as motivation to become an advocate and attorney for others facing similar injustice.

Just in time for NFL Week 2 of the 2021 season, host Jarrett Adams releases his picks! Good Luck and Bet at Your Own Risk!!

3 Chicago teenagers went to a party at the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater where embarrassment turned a consensual encounter into a far-fetched gang rape accusation wrapped up in well-worn racist tropes. Three radically different outcomes for each young man only served to underscore the absurdity of this tragic failure of our justice system. Jarrett Adams' book Redeeming Justice:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/624157/redeeming-justice-by-jarrett-adams/9780593395905  Learn more and get involved at:  https://cifsjustice.org/#/main https://www.lifeafterjustice.org/  https://law.wisc.edu/fjr/clinicals/ip/support.html https://www.wrongfulconvictionpodcast.com/with-jason-flom Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flom is a production of Lava for Good™ Podcasts in association with Signal Co No1. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In Episode 127 host Jarrett Adams welcomes up and coming rapper from Newark -- Zay Flames and his manager Tone. They talk about Garden Spires, the competition here in Newark for rappers, and his new viral music video "Direct" which is close to 20,000 youtube views in a week. He also talks about his upcoming project, promo strategies, and Tone talks about investing in Zay Flames music career.

ENCORE PRESENTATION.... NO PHONE CALLS PLEASE!!! Listen to Lamont Banks and Co-Hosts of A Just Cause, a nonprofit, social justice organization discuss what happens when the wheels of justice trample unbridled over the rights of American citizens.   Our Special Guests for tonight's encore show are William Guide, Creator of Film the Police LA and Jarrett Adams, Author, Attorney and Co-founder of Life After Justice. Please feel free to dial in and share your thoughts on tonight's topic. A Just Cause continues to campaign for the exoneration of the remaining "FreeTheIRP5," who were wrongly imprisoned in Florence, CO for 8 years for a crime they didn't commit. Read their full story: www.freetheirp6.org.  For more information, about A Just Cause and to Donate, please visit www.a-justcause.com.

Listen to Lamont Banks and Co-Hosts of A Just Cause, a nonprofit, social justice organization discuss what happens when the wheels of justice trample unbridled over the rights of American citizens.   Our Special Guests for tonight's show are William Guide, Creator of Film the Police LA and Jarrett Adams, Author, Attorney and Co-founder of Life After Justice. Please feel free to dial in and share your thoughts on tonight's topic. A Just Cause continues to campaign for the exoneration of the remaining "FreeTheIRP5," who were wrongly imprisoned in Florence, CO for 8 years for a crime they didn't commit. Read their full story: www.freetheirp6.org.  For more information, about A Just Cause and to Donate, please visit www.a-justcause.com.

Live from the War Report Room in Newark, NJ, Tyrese Trevor is on the check in with DJ Dark Kent and Jarrett Adams from the War Report to discuss Financial Freedom, SBA Loans, Taking Risks, and Maximizing Profits. Check out this interview if you want to get put on some heavy game from DJ Dark Kent.

In Episode 125, Jarrett Adams flys to Los Angeles and links up with underground skateboard king Ryan D from ALLOVE Skateboard Foundation. They discuss his journey moving form Houston to LA in about 2016 until now. The discuss his trip to the Berrics, starting a non-profit and doing skateboarding events for youth in South Central LA. Tune in, Like & Subscribe

On today's podcast, Amanda Knox re-interviews Jarrett Adams. In their conversation, Adams offers an update on the case of two men, Terrence Richardson and Ferrone Claiborne, who were acquitted by a jury of the murder of a police officer, only to see a federal judge maneuver around the jury's acquittal, and enhance Richardson's and Claiborne's sentences on a drug conviction to life in prison.

Jarrett Adams and his two friends were accused of a rape.  Jarrett spent years in prison after a wrongful conviction.  He appealed himself out.  One of Jarrett's friends never spent a day in jail because he could afford an attorney. Jarrett is now a lawyer and helps others like his past self overturn their wrongful convictions.  Jarrett has a book coming out in May called Justice For Sale describing the three different trajectories of him and his two friends. 

With over 11k streams to date on this podcast, host Jarrett Adams releases THE DARK SIDE OF THE GAME Vol.1 a mixtape full of exclusive tracks to celebrate life and an upcoming merch release for the War Report. FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY !!

In Episode 124, Jarrett Adams welcomes back the Stat Guy for Week 17 to share their expert picks and finish the year out strong! Listen in for picks but always remember, Bet at Your Own Risk! Like this podcast? Like, Share, and Subscribe!

Consistency is Key! Just in time for NFL Week 16, host Jarrett Adams is back with another addition of the Against the Spread Podcast. Tune in, like, share, and subscribe, but always remember to bet at your own risk!

The Bookie Killer has returned! Just in time for NFL Week 15 Jarrett Adams is back with his expert picks on the Against the Spread Podcast. Only on the War Report Radio Series! Need help sports gambling? Def tune in to this podcast and like, share, and subscribe.

Consistency is Key! Just in time for Week 14 of the 2020 NFL Season, Jarrett Adams releases his expert picks to help the listener win some money this week! Tune in for a great analysis. Like this podcast? Like, Share, and Subscribe!

Just in time for NFL Week 13, Jarrett Adams releases his picks for 1:00 pm kickoff. Always remember to do your research and bet responsibly! Like this podcast ? Tune in, Like, Share, and Subscribe.

Just in time for Week 12, Jarrett Adams is back from Vegas with a mean hang over to give the listeners some pointers and picks for this week. Like this podcast? Like, Share, and Subscribe!

He went from being wrongly convicted and imprisoned to becoming an attorney at law fighting to exonerate other victims of a corrupt criminal justice system. Jarrett Adams was the very first guest on The Golden Mean, and he joins Michael for Episode #100 to share more of his inspiring life journey!

Jarrett Adams is an attorney with the Innocence Project, Co-Founder of Life After Justice, re-entry specialist and advocate for criminal justice reform. Before Jarrett founded Life After Justice, he found himself in a fight for his life and justice.Jarrett M. Adams was wrongfully convicted of sexual assault at age 17 and sentenced to 28 years in a maximum security prison. After serving nearly 10 years and filing multiple appeals, Jarrett was exonerated with the assistance of the Wisconsin Innocence Project. Jarrett used the injustice he endured as inspiration to become an advocate for the underserved and often uncounted. As a first step, Jarrett earned his Juris Doctorate from Loyola University Chicago School of Law in May 2015 and started a public interest law fellowship with Ann Claire Williams, judge for the Seventh Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals. This is the same court that reversed Jarrett's conviction because of his trial lawyer's constitutional deficiencies.   

In 1998, at the age of 18, Jarrett Adams was wrongly convicted and sentenced to 28 years in a maximum security prison. After losing nearly a decade of his life to confinement, Jarrett not only won his exoneration, he went on to graduate from Loyola Law School and recently passed the New York State Bar Exam. He is now serving as the first ever Post-Conviction Fellow at the National Innocence Project. In this maiden episode, I'll explain what The Golden Mean podcast is going to be all about, followed by our interview. The journey that Jarrett's been traveling on is an extraordinary story of fortitude, survival and success. I hope you'll enjoy listening to our conversation as much as we enjoyed having it.