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TWENTY PRIESTHOOD LAWS AND EVIDENCES, part 1 of Chapter 8 of The Church and The Priesthood Pages 109 to 119 Ordinances instituted in the heavens before the foundation of the world, in the priesthood, for the salvation of men, are not to be altered or changed. All must be saved on the same principles. (Joseph Smith, TPJS, p. 308) Why was it that the Lord did not restore the Gospel and Priesthood to one of the many churches already in existence? The answer is probably because He knew the ministers and their congregations would not accept them. This is evidenced by the fact that after Joseph Smith established the Priesthood with its doctrines and ordinances, other churches combined to oppose him and the restored Gospel. However, preserving and maintaining these Priesthood laws and ordinances have proved to be just as difficult as restoring them. When the U.S. Constitution was originally adopted, a lady asked Benjamin Franklin what they had given to the people. He responded, “A Republic–if you can keep it!” Undoubtedly the Prophet Joseph Smith felt the same–that he had given the Saints the fullness of the gospel and the authority of the Priesthood, but could they keep it?
Today we are joined with Dr. Darron Smith, Summur-Rayn, and Nate Byrd of Black Menaces to react to the first three episodes with Matt Harris. Their commentary unpacks Joseph Smith's complex racial attitudes, Brigham Young's implementation of the priesthood ban, and the painful legacy of racist doctrines. Their candid discussion highlights the urgent need for accountability within the Mormon church and grapples with the lasting impact of this racial discrimination.
What role does politics play in religious affiliation? Dr Ryan Cragun gives us a few hints and discusses his upcoming book on the topic. We'll also discuss his recent papers asking when women get LDS priesthood. Will Christ return before women get priesthood? Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/xmEjPdBY78I Don't miss our other conversations with Ryan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPiSAV7aMxI&list=PLLhI8GMw9sJ5TNY30k0M5dZa_cM1S9bk8 transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved
Have you ever had questions about LDS priesthood blessings? How does someone with priesthood authority give a blessing? How does a priesthood holder know what to say when giving a blessing? Spencer joins us today to share some powerful findings about priesthood blessings. Spencer conducted over 100 interviews with men who have given priesthood blessings with the purpose of learning more about how the words come to them, how they feel during the blessing, and how the receiver receives the blessing. Listening to Spencer share his knowledge was fascinating. There is so much to be learned from blessings and we're so grateful to have heard from Spencer. Thank you so much for joining us, Spencer!
After the Wilders' third son Micah professed to be saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone to his LDS missionary peers—leaving out the required elements of an LDS testimony—he was sent home from his LDS mission 3 weeks early. His father Michael received a phone call from his stake president who told him his son had the spirit of the devil in him. Mike struggled to believe that was true. Before Micah left Utah for good and headed to Florida to manage a hotel, he challenged his father to read the Bible as a child with no preconceived notions. Michael said he would and when he got to the 18th chapter of Luke, something struck him. Was he the Pharisee or the tax collector (publican)?
Here it is in all it's wretched glory. Ep. 116 is filled with facts about the founding of the Mormon organization, it's wild as hell teachings, and mad prophets like founder Joseph Smith, and successor Brigham Young. We begin at the beginning of course, and i attempt to leave no seer stone unturned.(Pun intended) I hope you enjoy this history, and share with others. I can't wait to bring you the second part which will cover the priesthoods, marriages, or sealings as they call them including marrying the dead, and my favorite part, which is the Freemasonry influence. I'd say, the foundation actually. Now, it's time to go down that rabbit hole far beyond the mainstream which mazes underneath the Nauvoo Temple, all the way up to the Hill Cumorah in New York, and even up to an alleged star called Kolob! Thank You for your support! Cheers, and Blessings The Odd Man Out Show Notes Three Main Books: BOM Doctrines, & Covenants Pearl of Great Price Joseph Smith said, "the mind or the intelligence which man possesses is CO-equal [CO-eternal] with God himself" (TPJS 353) "The intelligence of spirits had no beginning, neither will it have an end." Another teaching is that the words of The Living Oracles, or living prophets are greater than the Bible, BOM, or Doctrine, & Covenants Abraham 3:3 reads “And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God…” Verse 9 in the same chapter adds that “Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God.” Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, stated, “I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods” (History of the Church 6:474). Brigham Young, the second prophet and president of the LDS Church, said, “How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were not Gods…” (Journal of Discourses 7:333). Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt taught, “We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father, and so one, from one generation to generation” (The Seer, pg. 132). The god of Mormonism is not immutable. Whereas God's perfection makes it never necessary for Him to change, the God of Mormonism changes both in his physical person and moral attributes. This is demonstrated by the fact that he evolved from a man into a God and that he has changed decrees which are theoretically “unalterable.” Examples of this would include the abandonment of polygamy in 1890, the reversal of the ban which withheld the LDS Priesthood from Blacks in 1978, and the changes in the LDS temple ceremony in 1980. The god of Mormonism is not eternally God. Joseph Smith taught that God was not always God when he stated, “We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see” (Teachings, pg. 345). Because the LDS God is limited to a physical body, he is not omnipresent. Brigham Young said, “Some would have us believe that God is present everywhere. It is not so” (Journal of Discourses 6:345). LDS Apostle James Talmage stated that neither God the Father, nor “any actual person of any one member of the Godhead can be physically present in more than one place at one time” (The Articles of Faith, pg. 39). The Mormon God's “omnipresence” is fulfilled through the Holy Spirit which, according to Mormon Apostle John Widtsoe, is not to be confused with the Holy Ghost (Evidences and Reconciliations, pp. 76-77). Mormon author W. Cleon Skousen stated that God is God only because another force sustains him as such. He wrote, “Through modern revelation we learn that the universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain Him as such…since God ‘acquired' the honor and sustaining influence of ‘all things' it follows as a corollary that if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or ‘sense of justice' of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the ‘power' of God would disintegrate…'He would cease to be God'” (The First 2,000 Years, pp. 355-356). The Bible “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me” (Isaiah 43:10-11). It appears to me the end point of Mormonism like most occult religions is godhood. They teach the Hindu philosophy that humans are unrealized gods. On the afternoon of June 8, 1873, preaching from the pulpit of the Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City, President Brigham Young declared: The devil told the truth ... I do not blame Mother Eve. I would not have had her miss eating the forbidden fruit for anything in the world.... They must pass through the same ordeals as the Gods, that they may know good from evil... .27 Former President Joseph Fielding Smith stated it in these words: The fall of man came as a blessing in disguise.... I never speak of the part Eve took in this fall as a sin, nor do I accuse Adam of a sin.... We can hardly look upon anything resulting in such benefits as being a sin... Apostle Pratt wrote, If we should take a million of worlds like this and number their particles, we should find that there are more gods than there are particles of matter in those worlds. The Gods who dwell in the heaven have been ... exalted also, from fallen men to Celestial Gods to inhabit their Heaven forever and ever." Mormon President Spencer W. Kimball declared: In each of us is the potentiality to become a God-pure, holy, true, influential, powerful, independent of earthly forces.... We were in the beginning with God.... Man can transform himself.... He has in him the seeds of Godhood that can grow. He can lift himself by his very bootstraps.32 No salvation lest thou believe in Joseph Smith President Joseph Fielding Smith made that clear when he wrote: [There is] no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth when he said that he stood in the presence of angels sent from the Lord, and obtained the keys of authority, and the commandment to organize the Church of Jesus Christ once again upon the earth, then this knowledge is of the most vital importance to the entire world. No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God.' "No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the Celestial Kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith." Brigham Young More Mormon Quotes On This Subject: https://www.mrm.org/no-salvation-without-joseph-smith For more info see: The Mormon Conspiracy The Mormon Cult The GOD Makers 1, & 2 documentaries, & book. No Man Knows My Story By Chapter https://youtu.be/0-DRJZLIUJw Texe Marrs Secrets of The Temple https://youtu.be/OoOyilCeP6M Terms Used By The LDS https://www.mrm.org/a-z Odd Man Out Patreon https://www.patreon.com/theoddmanout ACR- My Podcasting Family Visit the home of The Oddcast at "Alternate Current Radio, and check out all their other great shows including, Boiler Room, and be sure to subscribe to their Social Media to get updates on all the fantastic talk, and music shows. https://alternatecurrentradio.com/ Check out the ACR video: "Shilling For Sanity" https://youtu.be/TyQv1JL78Eg Support the show by subscribing, liking, sharing, & donating! 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# kwakuel #Mormon #LatterDaySaints #LDS One of the most talked about and controversial topics of the LDS church and its history is the ban (or as Kwaku calls it... the "postponement") of early black members of the church from receiving the Priesthood despite having the priesthood from the beginning of the Restoration. Here we dive into the question "Where di the Priesthood Ban come from?" with our new pal, Mauli Bonner from the Bonner Family (yes that one..) and we have a lot of fun doing it. Whether you are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints or not, "this is a doosie". To support the channel: Venmo @MidnightMormons https://account.venmo.com/u/MidnightMormons Follow us at: Instagram: @cardonellis @kwakuel @braderico Facebook: @MidnightMormons Twitter: @MMormons --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/wardradio/support
Today we have the amazing opportunity to hear from one of the kindest, most genuine people you will ever meet. Mauli Bonner joins us to talk about his experience with the LDS priesthood ban. (If you are unfamiliar with the priesthood ban and would like some historical context, check out the link below.) What was the Latter-day Saint Black priesthood ban? https://youtu.be/KvWPmLLV3Jw Mauli shares his experience growing up as a black member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and how he was affected by the priesthood ban. The experiences that Mauli shares are authentic and his own. They may or may not reflect the experiences of other people who have been hurt by the priesthood ban. If you would like to share your story, please DM us on Instagram or Facebook.
this is a response video to the Saint's Unscripted podcast episode about the LDS Priesthood ban against black men. I did not make it through the whole video without getting very heated, but I'm pretty sure I got my point across. Support The Master's Dog by contributing to their Tip Jar: https://tips.pinecast.com/jar/the-master-s-dog
In this episode of The Let's Get Real Podcast, I share a closer look on the false authority of the Church of the Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Priesthood. In this episode you will hear what the LDS Church teaches on the priesthood from the time of Joseph Smith through the present day. Finally I will give you a biblical response as to why the LDS Missionaries cannot hold the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthoods. Listen to our Weekly Podcast on iTunes, AnchorFM, Google Podcasts or Stitcher. Look for new episodes every week. Don't see your podcast listening platform? Email us and we will add them to our distribution list. You can also listen directly from the sidebar on our home page. Or listen at this link. Discuss your thoughts for this post on our Facebook Group here. Music credits: Minazian and Druse, “Theme from the Pagan Invasion” --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/rob-lundberg/message
LDS Priesthood encompasses both spiritual and ecclesiastical aspects. Dr. Margaret Toscano compares and contrasts her position on female priesthood with that of Dr. Jonathan Stapley. Where are they similar and where do they converge? Margaret: Both Jonathan and I say, yes, if you look at 19th century views on the priesthood, not just women in […] The post Women's Spiritual vs Ecclesiastical Priesthood (Part 7 of 9) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.
In 2014 the LDS Church released an essay entitled "Race and the Priesthood" as part of its Gospel Topics Essays Initiative. This essay was groundbreaking in that it officially renounced past LDS racist teachings regarding blacks and the LDS Priesthood. This essay has been highly controversial. Some see it as groundbreaking positive progress. Some see it as deceptive and/or inadequate. Others lost their faith in the LDS Church because of it. Today on Mormon Stories Podcast we interview Dr. Matt Harris who recently published an analysis of the Race and Priesthood essay. Matt's essay is entitled "Whiteness Theology and the Evolution of Mormon Racial Teachings." This essay is contained within the newly released book entitled "The LDS Gospel Topics Series: A Scholarly Engagement" published by Signature Books (edited by Matt Harris and Newell G. Bringhurst). Click here to purchase this very important book: https://www.amazon.com/LDS-Gospel-Topics-Scholarly-Engagement/dp/1560852879
In part one of this three-part series, we discussed how the LDS Priesthood came to be. In this episode, we talk about how to have a conversation about priesthood authority from a biblical worldview.
This episode I have a great discussion with Skyler who is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints. We talk about the time we went together to an LDS Priesthood meeting and the story told by their now current prophet that led me to believe their God was some kind of monster. Skyler does a great job of unpacking his beliefs so listen and decide for yourself!
John Dehlin, Ryan McKnight, Sean Carter, and John Hamer discuss: - The 5/30/18 Mormon Leaks documents that shed light into the LDS Church's investment portfolios. - Forward movement to bring medical cannabis legalization before Utah voters. - Following up on the LDS Priesthood ban and the apology hoax.
Forty years ago the LDS Church lifted a ban that prevented black members from holding the priesthood. Our panel weighs in: Marcus Martins of BYU-Hawaii, Eddie Gist, formerly of the Genesis Group, LaShawn Williams of Utah Valley Univ, and Matthew Bowman of Henderson State Univ. Matthew Christensen of BYU shares his new book "A Geek in China."
[paypal-donation] Earlier this summer, one of my guests, Jim Vun Cannon of the Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, asked me why the LDS Church ordained youth to the Aaronic Priesthood. At the time I said I need to talk to Greg Prince because he'll probably have an answer. Now is my chance. In our next conversation, we'll talk about the evolution of LDS Priesthood. When and why is it that the LDS Church decided to ordain young men to the priesthood? Greg: My recollection is that I think it was 1904. Joseph Keeler published a book under the direction of the First Presidency, that's stated in the preface, and I'm blocking on what the name of it was but it was almost a general handbook of instructions. I think it was Lesser Priesthood and Church Governance[1] (or something like that.) It went through two editions and he changed the title later on. But as far as I can tell, that was the first time when ages were prescribed for ordination into the Aaronic Priesthood. Initially it was 12, 15, and 18 for Deacon, Teacher, and Priest. Don't forget to check out our discussion about early LDS Priesthood offices. Check out our conversation….. https://youtu.be/q2ukOZGuY2M [1] See http://amzn.to/2B9f3m6 [paypal-donation]
[paypal-donation] Greg Prince wrote a book[1] on the evolution of LDS Priesthood. In our next conversation, I'll talk to Greg and I'll ask him more about this evolution. He even touches on the variations in the First Vision accounts. Greg: Yes, I think you need to start by backing up to the time when there wasn't even a church and look at phases that Joseph Smith went through. The earliest phase was there wasn't even talk of the church. There wasn't even talk of authority. When he had his First Vision, if you looked at the earliest version of that as likely being the most authentic historically, it had nothing to do with churches. He said in his account of it in 1832, [he] already knew from studying the bible that all the churches were wrong, which is diametrically opposed to what the canonized version says. So he went to the grove for personal forgiveness, and that's what that account said. The Lord appeared and said Joseph had been forgiven; end of story, bye, bye. [There was] no hint that there would be a church in his future. When you start to get into the Moroni narratives, then you have implicit authority, meaning that people around Joseph believed that something extraordinary was going on, and when he got the plates, they saw that something extraordinary was going on, and nobody challenged his authority to do it. Towards the end of the translation process, they become concerned about having authority to perform ordinances, baptism being the primary one. Did you know that in the early Mormon Church, Bishops and Deacons weren't even a part of the organizational structure? The Nephite Christian Church described in the latter chapters of the Book of Mormon had only three offices: teachers, priests, and elders, and there's minimal description in there, but there was a differentiation between the teachers and priests on the one hand, and elders on the other hand. The word “priesthood” was not used. In fact “priesthood” was more likely to be interpreted as “priestcraft” in the Book of Mormon, the evil priests. ... If you look at the Far West record, which is basically the minute book of the early church general conferences, in the first conference that is recorded in June 1830, there are only three offices to which people are ordained: teachers, priests, and elders. You have two others appended in 1831: those were deacons and bishops. There are lots of other surprising insights. You can make the claim that this is a restoration of the primitive church structure, but you can't make that stick. Yes those offices are recognized both in the New Testament. It's about as far as you can take it. The concept of a dual-tiered priesthood existing within an early Christian church isn't there. It's taking parts of Old Testament theology, parts of New Testament theology, doing some cherry-picking, and eventually settling in pretty much on where we have it now. He also talks about some of the circular reasoning we have regarding priesthood. Check out our conversation! (Check out our previous episodes on leadership vacuums and ailing leaders too!) https://youtu.be/Nc26a1nDiKQ [1] Greg's book is called Priesthood from on High and is found at http://amzn.to/2nqcCFM [paypal-donation]
Dr. Greg Prince is best known within Mormonism as the author of three books: - Power from on High: The Development of Mormon Priesthood - David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism - Leonard Arrington and the Writing of Mormon History In this three-part series we discuss the following: - Part 1: Greg's early years as a Mormon in the Los Angeles area, his graduate work as a dentist and as a pathologist, and his role in developing a cure for RSV (Respiratory Syncytial Virus Infection), which has saved tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of infant lives. - Part 2: Greg discusses the challenges of raising a son (Madison) with autism, then discusses how he developed a gospel framework that allowed him to avoid a faith crisis, which led to his entree into Mormon history authorship. We focus on his Priesthood book. - Part 3: Greg goes deep into how he maintains faith/belief and activity in God/Christ/the LDS Church as a scientist, and after knowing so much troubling LDS history. He also lays out in detail his nuanced LDS testimony.
The 2013 LDS Priesthood and Relief Society manual, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Lorenzo Snow, features a lesson, "The Grand Destiny of the Faithful" (Chapter 5), in which one of President Snow’s most famous teachings makes a fresh appearance. Often referred to as "the Couplet," it states: "As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be." Encountering this teaching in an official Church publication has been surprising to many Church watchers, who have noticed in the past couple of decades a dramatic drop off in LDS comfort levels with the teaching that we human beings are on a progression path that God once traveled, and that with continued growth and development of divine qualities we can one day become Gods ourselves. So what’s going on? Why was this teaching de-emphasized? Does its appearance in the manual signal a shift from recent public outreach to show similarities between Mormon thought and that of mainline Christianity to a willingness to embrace the differences? And, for that matter, are teachings about theosis or divinization actually all that unusual when one considers the entire arc of Christian teaching? In this episode, panelists Danielle Mooney, Charley Harrell, and Tom Roberts, join Mormon Matters host Dan Wotherspoon for a thorough look at this teaching within Mormonism, as well as the wider Christian world, especially in Eastern and Greek Orthodox Christianity and writings of early thinkers who provided the impetus for the directions they took separate from what became Roman Catholicism. Fascinating, rich stuff! The panel explores the history of "couplet" theology, including one of the early forms it took in Brigham Young’s teaching about Adam as God, and discusses possible reasons for its fall from the public sphere and recent reappearance. It also takes a strong look at black Latter-day Saints and women, for whom the ideas expressed in couplet (or, at least the contexts in which it rose have been commented on by Church leaders) have been particularly problematic. Can the doctrine of theosis be separated from the difficult assumptions that have been linked to it?
The 2013 LDS Priesthood and Relief Society manual, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Lorenzo Snow, features a lesson, "The Grand Destiny of the Faithful" (Chapter 5), in which one of President Snow’s most famous teachings makes a fresh appearance. Often referred to as "the Couplet," it states: "As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be." Encountering this teaching in an official Church publication has been surprising to many Church watchers, who have noticed in the past couple of decades a dramatic drop off in LDS comfort levels with the teaching that we human beings are on a progression path that God once traveled, and that with continued growth and development of divine qualities we can one day become Gods ourselves. So what’s going on? Why was this teaching de-emphasized? Does its appearance in the manual signal a shift from recent public outreach to show similarities between Mormon thought and that of mainline Christianity to a willingness to embrace the differences? And, for that matter, are teachings about theosis or divinization actually all that unusual when one considers the entire arc of Christian teaching? In this episode, panelists Danielle Mooney, Charley Harrell, and Tom Roberts, join Mormon Matters host Dan Wotherspoon for a thorough look at this teaching within Mormonism, as well as the wider Christian world, especially in Eastern and Greek Orthodox Christianity and writings of early thinkers who provided the impetus for the directions they took separate from what became Roman Catholicism. Fascinating, rich stuff! The panel explores the history of "couplet" theology, including one of the early forms it took in Brigham Young’s teaching about Adam as God, and discusses possible reasons for its fall from the public sphere and recent reappearance. It also takes a strong look at black Latter-day Saints and women, for whom the ideas expressed in couplet (or, at least the contexts in which it rose have been commented on by Church leaders) have been particularly problematic. Can the doctrine of theosis be separated from the difficult assumptions that have been linked to it?
The 2013 LDS Priesthood and Relief Society manual, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Lorenzo Snow, features a lesson, "The Grand Destiny of the Faithful" (Chapter 5), in which one of President Snow’s most famous teachings makes a fresh appearance. Often referred to as "the Couplet," it states: "As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be." Encountering this teaching in an official Church publication has been surprising to many Church watchers, who have noticed in the past couple of decades a dramatic drop off in LDS comfort levels with the teaching that we human beings are on a progression path that God once traveled, and that with continued growth and development of divine qualities we can one day become Gods ourselves. So what’s going on? Why was this teaching de-emphasized? Does its appearance in the manual signal a shift from recent public outreach to show similarities between Mormon thought and that of mainline Christianity to a willingness to embrace the differences? And, for that matter, are teachings about theosis or divinization actually all that unusual when one considers the entire arc of Christian teaching? In this episode, panelists Danielle Mooney, Charley Harrell, and Tom Roberts, join Mormon Matters host Dan Wotherspoon for a thorough look at this teaching within Mormonism, as well as the wider Christian world, especially in Eastern and Greek Orthodox Christianity and writings of early thinkers who provided the impetus for the directions they took separate from what became Roman Catholicism. Fascinating, rich stuff! The panel explores the history of "couplet" theology, including one of the early forms it took in Brigham Young’s teaching about Adam as God, and discusses possible reasons for its fall from the public sphere and recent reappearance. It also takes a strong look at black Latter-day Saints and women, for whom the ideas expressed in couplet (or, at least the contexts in which it rose have been commented on by Church leaders) have been particularly problematic. Can the doctrine of theosis be separated from the difficult assumptions that have been linked to it?
The 2013 LDS Priesthood and Relief Society manual, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Lorenzo Snow, features a lesson, "The Grand Destiny of the Faithful" (Chapter 5), in which one of President Snow’s most famous teachings makes a fresh appearance. Often referred to as "the Couplet," it states: "As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be." Encountering this teaching in an official Church publication has been surprising to many Church watchers, who have noticed in the past couple of decades a dramatic drop off in LDS comfort levels with the teaching that we human beings are on a progression path that God once traveled, and that with continued growth and development of divine qualities we can one day become Gods ourselves. So what’s going on? Why was this teaching de-emphasized? Does its appearance in the manual signal a shift from recent public outreach to show similarities between Mormon thought and that of mainline Christianity to a willingness to embrace the differences? And, for that matter, are teachings about theosis or divinization actually all that unusual when one considers the entire arc of Christian teaching? In this episode, panelists Danielle Mooney, Charley Harrell, and Tom Roberts, join Mormon Matters host Dan Wotherspoon for a thorough look at this teaching within Mormonism, as well as the wider Christian world, especially in Eastern and Greek Orthodox Christianity and writings of early thinkers who provided the impetus for the directions they took separate from what became Roman Catholicism. Fascinating, rich stuff! The panel explores the history of "couplet" theology, including one of the early forms it took in Brigham Young’s teaching about Adam as God, and discusses possible reasons for its fall from the public sphere and recent reappearance. It also takes a strong look at black Latter-day Saints and women, for whom the ideas expressed in couplet (or, at least the contexts in which it rose have been commented on by Church leaders) have been particularly problematic. Can the doctrine of theosis be separated from the difficult assumptions that have been linked to it?
In conjunction with Kylan Rice's interview with Margaret Young for A Thoughtful Faith, we would like to feature Margaret Young and Darius Gray's Mormon Stories podcast episode from April 2006 on Blacks and LDS Priesthood. At the time of this podcast Margaret and Darius had been invited by Brigham Young University to deliver a presentation entitled, “Blacks and the LDS Priesthood.” In this podcast, Darius re-delivers this presentation, along with Margaret Young. Darius and Margaret are co-authors of a trilogy dealing with black Mormon history entitled: Standing on the Promises.
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Recently, Brigham Young University invited Darius Gray--one of the founders of the LDS Genesis Group, and a black Mormon for over 30 years--to make a presentation entitled, "Blacks and the LDS Priesthood." In this interview, Darius re-delivers this presentation, along with Margaret Young. Darius and Margaret are co-authors of a trilogy dealing with black Mormon history entitled: Standing on the Promises.
Grant Palmer served as a CES Institute Director and Seminary/Institute Teacher for over 30 years. In part 3 of this 4 part series, Grant takes us through a deep dive into his 1st book--An Insider's View of Mormon Origins. During this episode we cover Joseph Smith's treasure seeking and usage of peep stones, the actual mechanics of the Book of Mormon Process, the actual accounts of the witnesses to the Book of Mormon, the multiple versions of Joseph Smith's First Vision story, and the evolution of the LDS Priesthood accounts.
Recently, Brigham Young University invited Darius Gray--one of the founders of the LDS Genesis Group, and a black Mormon for over 30 years--to make a presentation entitled,"Blacks and the LDS Priesthood." In this interview, Darius re-delivers this presentation, along with Margaret Young. Darius and Margaret are co-authors of a trilogy dealing with black Mormon history entitled: Standing on the Promises.
Grant Palmer served as a CES Institute Director and Seminary/Institute Teacher for over 30 years. In part 3 of this 4 part series, Grant takes us through a deep dive into his 1st book--An Insider's View of Mormon Origins. During this episode we cover Joseph Smith's treasure seeking and usage of peep stones, the actual mechanics of the Book of Mormon Process, the actual accounts of the witnesses to the Book of Mormon, the multiple versions of Joseph Smith's First Vision story, and the evolution of the LDS Priesthood accounts.
Recently, Brigham Young University invited Darius Gray--one of the founders of the LDS Genesis Group, and a black Mormon for over 30 years--to make a presentation entitled, "Blacks and the LDS Priesthood." In this interview, Darius re-delivers this presentation, along with Margaret Young. Darius and Margaret are co-authors of a trilogy dealing with black Mormon history entitled: Standing on the Promises.