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Send us a Positive Review!Series Title: The 21st Century LDS Church's Ongoing Struggle to Respond to the Realities of Faith & Trust Crisis [Part I of II]Join Val and friend, colleague and returned guest, Dr. Greg Prince as they talk about Greg's involvement in the profoundly important document "The Official Faith Crisis Report". A document that was the first of its kind, it compiled data about struggles in faith and trust that was sweeping the LDS church just after the turn of the century. In this episode, you will learn backstage details that only someone involved in the actual process can tell you. Greg, as usual, adds his wit and wisdom to a fascinating story about the beginning of an era that we are all living through at this moment in the LDS faith expansion space. Next episode Val & Greg tackle several sections of the report itself and engage in some spicy banter about what can happen with people in different stages of faith during a typical LDS church meeting. Join in for a great conversation! The Official Faith Crisis ReportBooks by Dr. Greg Princehttps://valeriehamaker.com/one-one-consultations/Support the showListen, Share, Rate & Review EPISODES Friday Episodes Annual Subscription $89 Friday Episodes Monthly Subscription $10 Valerie's Support & Processing Groups Donate: ⁠Venmo or Patreon⁠ Visit our Website

Piper hosts Plaidcast LIVE! from Wellington International with guests Greg Prince & Kyla Makhloghi. Brought to you by Taylor, Harris Insurance Services.Host: Piper Klemm, publisher of The Plaid HorseGuest: Greg Prince is the owner and head trainer of Woodridge Farm, a full-service show stable operated out of Sherborn, MA and Wellington, FL. Over a career spanning more than two decades as a professional, Greg has imported and produced many top horses and has shown successfully across the U.S. and Canada, earned ribbons at some of the most prestigious horse shows in the country including Devon, Harrisburg, and the Washington International Horse Show. He's trained riders to top hunter derby finishes, every equitation finals, and grand prix victories, marking him as one of the most prolific trainers currently in the hunter/jumper world. Guest: Kyla Makhloghi is a grand prix show jumping athlete and trainer who owns and operates Rosemont Farm, a top training and sales barn located in Wellington, FL. Kyla graduated with an undergraduate degree in English from Mount Holyoke College, where she was an integral part of their equestrian team and led them to an IHSA National Championship in 2006. Her riders have claimed impressive wins at Pony Finals, WIHS Equitation Finals, Children's Hunter Finals, and Prix des States, and top finishes at Devon, The National Horse Show, and Harrisburg. In 2022, Kyla won the Wild Card Trainer Bonus award at the WEC Premier Equitation Cup Championship. As a horse trainer, she finds similar success importing and selling quality hunter, jumper, and equitation horses.Title Sponsor: Taylor, Harris Insurance ServicesSubscribe To: The Plaid Horse MagazineSponsor: Foxhall Equine

Episode 262 features unique barbecue and baseball stories with the president of AmazingRibs.com, Clint Cantwell and co-host of the National League Town podcast, Jeff Hysen while Chef Ray Sheehan assumes guest co-hosting duties. Clint Cantwell is president of AmazingRibs.com which is a leading online resource for barbecue and grilling information.  As president, Clint performs day-to-day operations, creates recipes, writes articles, shoots photos, and does whatever else is needed to help run the heavily heavily trafficked website.  He is also a champion pitmaster and an outdoor cooking content creator.  Clint was named one of the "10 Faces of Memphis Barbecue" by Memphis Magazine in May of 2015 and was the winner of the Travel Channel's “American Grilled” nationwide cooking competition series.  Clint previously worked as a public relations professional in New York City and shares two incredible baseball stories.  One involves the 2000 World Series, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza, and a broken bat.  The other involves Barry Bonds record breaking 756th home run baseball which is prominently displayed in the National Baseball Hall of fame in Cooperstown, New York.  Jeff Hysen is a New York Mets fan.  He channels his long-time love and vast knowledge of his favorite baseball team into the podcast, National League Town which he co-hosts with Greg Prince.  There is a lot more than meets the eye with Jeff as he is a lawyer as well as a stand-up comedian.  His ideas for improving the game of baseball are insightful and worth a listen by us as well as by those who are in charge of tinkering with the game's rules.  This is a baseball discussion without arguments and with plenty of interesting information.  We conclude the show with the song, Baseball Always Brings You Home from the musician, Dave Dresser and the poet, Shel Krakofsky. We recommend you go to Baseball BBQ, https://baseballbbq.com for special grilling tools and accessories, Magnechef https://magnechef.com/ for excellent and unique barbecue gloves, Cutting Edge Firewood High Quality Kiln Dried Firewood - Cutting Edge Firewood in Atlanta for high quality firewood and cooking wood, Mantis BBQ, https://mantisbbq.com/ to purchase their outstanding sauces with a portion of the proceeds being donated to the Kidney Project, and for exceptional sauces, Elda's Kitchen https://eldaskitchen.com/ We truly appreciate our listeners and hope that all of you are staying safe.   If you would like to contact the show, we would love to hear from you. Call the show:  (516) 855-8214 Email:  baseballandbbq@gmail.com Twitter:  @baseballandbbq Instagram:  baseballandbarbecue YouTube:  baseball and bbq Website:  https//baseballandbbq.weebly.com Facebook:  baseball and bbq   

Subscriber-only episodeWelcome to this last episode in this four-part series with esteemed guest Greg Prince, scientist, author, and scholar with deep ties to Mormon studies. In this episode, Val and Greg continue to examine the history of LDS hierarchy with a special focus on the gutsy and progressive Hugh B. Brown. Their conversation about the importance of diversity in any body of leadership leads to an exploration of the broader implications of the LDS Church's aging leaders (due to their succession-by-seniority-policy multiplied by advancements in medicine in the past several decades), discussing the possible need for succession policy reform, such as emeritus status, to maintain church vitality and address the concerns of the young faithful. Greg and Valerie touch on several important subjects, including the treatment of LGBTQ individuals and the ways in which a possible generational disconnect could be shaping the future of church membership. Don't miss this in-depth discussion, which extends an ongoing invitation for reflection and discourse in the LDS community.——————————————————————————————————————SUPPORT: Like what you're hearing at Latter Day Struggles Podcast? You can support Valerie's efforts by becoming a recurring donor on https://www.patreon.com/LatterDayStruggles⁠!——————————————————————————————————————SUPPORT GROUPS: You are invited to join one of Valerie's space-limited ⁠⁠⁠Faith Crisis and Expansion Support and Processing Groups⁠⁠⁠⁠! As a trauma therapist, she continues to help our LDS faith expansion community become psychologically healthier and spiritually well in and around the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.Details about availability on ⁠⁠⁠⁠latterdaystruggles.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. These groups ALWAYS FILL UP, so jump in asap!https://valeriehamaker.com/latter-day-struggles/support-groups/——————————————————————————————————————COURSES: Now available! “⁠⁠⁠⁠A Couple's Guide to Faith Crisis and Expansion⁠⁠⁠⁠” parts I and II. See what else is offered on ⁠⁠⁠latterdaystruggles.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://valerie-hamaker-s-school1.teachable.com/courses/——————————————————————————————————————CONSULTING: Interested in doing individual or couples SUBSCRIBE TO FRIDAY EPISODES BETWEEN 5/31/24 and 6/27/24: Premium content episodes of Latter Day Struggles can be accessed through ⁠a paid subscription⁠. Enjoy your first month of Friday episodes at a reduced cost of $3 as a thank you for joining the Latter Day Struggles subscriber community! Sign up here!⁠ WEBINAR: “Accepting Stages of Faith Within A Marriage” Valerie will host a webinar class for individuals and couples seeking guidance on how to stay united during a faith expansion experience. Special question/answer session directly after the webinar. Wednesday July 10th 8:30 CST. Come ask Val your burning questions and be part of the conversation! ⁠ Sign up here!⁠ SUPPORT: Like what you're hearing at Latter Day Struggles Podcast? Make a one-time donation to ⁠her business Venmo account⁠ or become a recurring donor on Patreon⁠.⁠ CONSULTING: Interested in doing individual or couples work with Valerie or a member of her trained team? Time-limited packages with Valerie and extended work with her team of coaches and therapists are available ⁠...

In today's part III of Valerie's series with Greg Prince they delve into an era that Greg claims we should all better understand as we navigate our 21st century LDS faith. This episode casts a spotlight on the leadership of David O. McKay, with a special focus on his complex relationship to the eventual lifting of the temple/priesthood ban, his handling of Ezra Taft Benson's anti-communist obsession, and his questionable handling of McConkie's infamous "Mormon Doctrine" This conversation illustrate the intricate interplay between policy, revelation, and societal readiness that shaped church decisions during McKay's presidency. Valerie and Greg also navigate through challenging themes, such as the potential for power to corrupt, the church's structural comparisons to a corporation, and the high expectations placed upon church leaders. The discussion also delves into the personal impact of church policies on its members and the importance of actively owning one's faith. FRIDAY'S episode is a seamless continuation of this conversation with a special focus on some scientific findings (researched by himself and Lester Bush) around leadership vulnerabilities of any kind of formalized genontracry. Please subscribe to listen! Info below! Info on how to subscribe to listen to Friday's episode is directly below. See you there! ————————————————————————————————————— SUBSCRIBE: All Friday episodes of Latter Day Struggles can be accessed through ⁠⁠⁠a paid subscription ($9.99/month)⁠. Thank you for supporting Valerie's professional commitment to your LDS Faith expansion journey!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://tinyurl.com/bddk8ak7 ⁠Click here for a step-by-step guide on how to support the podcast and subscribe⁠ https://valeriehamaker.com/how-to-subscribe/ —————————————————————————————————————— SUPPORT: Like what you're hearing at Latter Day Struggles Podcast? You can support Valerie's efforts by becoming a recurring donor on ⁠Patreon.com⁠! —————————————————————————————————————— SUPPORT GROUPS: You are invited to join one of Valerie's space-limited ⁠⁠⁠Faith Crisis and Expansion Support and Processing Groups⁠⁠⁠⁠! As a trauma therapist, she continues to help our LDS faith expansion community become psychologically healthier and spiritually well in and around the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Details about availability on ⁠⁠⁠⁠latterdaystruggles.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. These groups ALWAYS FILL UP, so jump in asap! https://valeriehamaker.com/latter-day-struggles/support-groups/ —————————————————————————————————————— COURSES: Now available! “⁠⁠⁠⁠A Couple's Guide to Faith Crisis and Expansion⁠⁠⁠⁠” parts I and II. See what else is offered on ⁠⁠⁠latterdaystruggles.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://valeriehamaker.com/latter-day-struggles/course-library —————————————————————————————————————— CONSULTING: Interested in doing individual or couples work with Valerie or a member of her trained team? Time-limited packages with Valerie and extended work with her team of coaches and therapists are available! ⁠https://valeriehamaker.com/latter-day-struggles/private-practice/⁠

Subscriber-only episodeIn this thought-provoking part II of Valerie's conversation with Greg Prince, they delve into the history itself and talk about the intriguing rise of Mormon fundamentalism in the mid-twentieth century, setting the stage for later conflicts in how to narrate the origin stories of the early Mormon people. Greg shares his personal journey and insights from his research, especially his experiences writing the biography of Leonard Arrington. Listeners are taken on a deep exploration of the intersection of faith, myth, and truth, and the psychological effects on members during a spiritual awakening as they navigate the complexities of historical fact versus traditional teachings. Tune in to engage with this balancing act of preserving faith while embracing honesty and our ongoing quest for healing within our LDS faith community.——————————————————————————————————————SUPPORT: Like what you're hearing at Latter Day Struggles Podcast? You can support Valerie's efforts by becoming a recurring donor on ⁠https://www.patreon.com/LatterDayStruggles!——————————————————————————————————————SUPPORT GROUPS: You are invited to join one of Valerie's space-limited ⁠⁠⁠Faith Crisis and Expansion Support and Processing Groups⁠⁠⁠⁠! As a trauma therapist, she continues to help our LDS faith expansion community become psychologically healthier and spiritually well in and around the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.Details about availability on ⁠⁠⁠⁠latterdaystruggles.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. These groups ALWAYS FILL UP, so jump in asap!https://valeriehamaker.com/latter-day-struggles/support-groups/——————————————————————————————————————COURSES: Now available! “⁠⁠⁠⁠A Couple's Guide to Faith Crisis and Expansion⁠⁠⁠⁠” parts I and II. See what else is offered on ⁠⁠⁠latterdaystruggles.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://valeriehamaker.com/latter-day-struggles/course-library——————————————————————————————————————CONSULTING: Interested in doing individual or couples work with Valerie or a member of her trained team? Time-limited packages with Valerie and extended work with her team of coaches and therapiSUBSCRIBE TO FRIDAY EPISODES BETWEEN 5/31/24 and 6/27/24: Premium content episodes of Latter Day Struggles can be accessed through ⁠a paid subscription⁠. Enjoy your first month of Friday episodes at a reduced cost of $3 as a thank you for joining the Latter Day Struggles subscriber community! Sign up here!⁠ WEBINAR: “Accepting Stages of Faith Within A Marriage” Valerie will host a webinar class for individuals and couples seeking guidance on how to stay united during a faith expansion experience. Special question/answer session directly after the webinar. Wednesday July 10th 8:30 CST. Come ask Val your burning questions and be part of the conversation! ⁠ Sign up here!⁠ SUPPORT: Like what you're hearing at Latter Day Struggles Podcast? Make a one-time donation to ⁠her business Venmo account⁠ or become a recurring donor on Patreon⁠.⁠ CONSULTING: Interested in doing individual or couples work with Valerie or a member of her trained team? Time-limited packages with Valerie and extended work with her team of coaches and therapists are available ⁠...

Welcome back to "Latter Day Struggles," for another not-to-be-missed four-part series with distinguished guest, Greg Prince—an influential voice in progressive Mormon circles and a man of diverse expertise and deep compassion. In today's episode, we explore Greg's seven generations of Latter-Day Saint heritage and his application of scientific principles to the study of Mormon history and theology. As a devoted researcher and advocate, Greg delves into the LDS Church's engagement with LGBTQ issues in general and their many-decades-long involvement fighting gay marriage, as detailed in Greg's excellent book "Gay Rights and the Mormon Church: Intended Actions: Unintended Consequences". FRIDAY'S episode II of this series will focus on Greg's experience writing "Leonard Arrington and the Writing of Mormon History" and a fascinating conversation about this era from a man who can offer some first-hand wisdom. Please subscribe to listen! Info below! Info on how to subscribe to listen to Friday's episode is directly below. See you there! ————————————————————————————————————— SUBSCRIBE: All Friday episodes of Latter Day Struggles can be accessed through ⁠⁠⁠a paid subscription ($9.99/month)⁠. Thank you for supporting Valerie's professional commitment to your LDS Faith expansion journey!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://tinyurl.com/bddk8ak7 ⁠Click here for a step-by-step guide on how to support the podcast and subscribe⁠ https://valeriehamaker.com/how-to-subscribe/ —————————————————————————————————————— SUPPORT: Like what you're hearing at Latter Day Struggles Podcast? You can support Valerie's efforts by becoming a recurring donor on ⁠Patreon.com⁠! —————————————————————————————————————— SUPPORT GROUPS: You are invited to join one of Valerie's space-limited ⁠⁠⁠Faith Crisis and Expansion Support and Processing Groups⁠⁠⁠⁠! As a trauma therapist, she continues to help our LDS faith expansion community become psychologically healthier and spiritually well in and around the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Details about availability on ⁠⁠⁠⁠latterdaystruggles.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. These groups ALWAYS FILL UP, so jump in asap! https://valeriehamaker.com/latter-day-struggles/support-groups/ —————————————————————————————————————— COURSES: Now available! “⁠⁠⁠⁠A Couple's Guide to Faith Crisis and Expansion⁠⁠⁠⁠” parts I and II. See what else is offered on ⁠⁠⁠latterdaystruggles.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://valeriehamaker.com/latter-day-struggles/course-library —————————————————————————————————————— CONSULTING: Interested in doing individual or couples work with Valerie or a member of her trained team? Time-limited packages with Valerie and extended work with her team of coaches and therapists are available! ⁠https://valeriehamaker.com/latter-day-struggles/private-practice/⁠

Well, the season is over, and unfortunately for all us Mets fans, it didn't go according to plan. The red nuke button was pressed around the trade deadline and we enter the offseason with Buck Showalter out of a job, Billy Eppler having resigned for a potential multitude of reasons and a new (and first) president of baseball ops in David Stearns. Joining us to not only discuss the season, for better or worse, as well as look forward to the hot stove and the 2024 Mets is Faith and Fear in Flushing and National League Town Podcast's Greg Prince and mega Mets fan Lauren from Long Island. 

(Episode 114): This week on the Subway To Shea Podcast, I am joined by Greg Prince to discuss Darryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden finally getting their numbers retired by the New York Mets. We look back at their careers and talk about which Mets could be next to have their numbers raised at the top of Citi Field. Greg Prince is the Author of many Mets books, and you can catch his words on the Faith and Fear in Flushing Blog, as well as hear his voice on the National League Town Podcast. ______________________________________________ Greg Prince Twitter: @greg_prince Faith and Fear in Flushing Blog: http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/ National League Town Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/11ZiR948ZENPVAiPXKBWe6 Greg Prince Mets Books: https://www.amazon.com/s?i=digital-text&rh=p_27%3AGreg+W.+Prince&s=relevancerank&text=Greg+W.+Prince&ref=dp_byline_sr_ebooks_1 ______________________________________________ Read my articles for Rising Apple: https://risingapple.com/author/arivera1/ ______________________________________________ Follow on Twitter: @SubwayToShea Intro Song: Ride It Like You Mean It- Kristian Leo Outro Song: Sky- OBOY --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/subwaytoshea/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/subwaytoshea/support

Faith and Fear in Flushing and NL Town's Greg Prince and Baseball and BBQ's Jeff Cohen joins The Metsian Podcast to break down what is the deal with the 2023 Mets 30-30 start to the season. SUBSCRIBE ON APPLE

LIVE at 8pm ET, we welcome Faith and Fear in Flushing & NL Town's Greg Prince to the program. Well, we all spoke too soon as just before Christmas, word came down that the Mets were also concerned with the Carlos Correa medicals. Unlike with the Giants, there seems to be motivation on both sides to make the deal work. We'll talk about the contract and of course monitor the situation via the Internets to see if any news drops while LIVE on air. And with the year almost over, we'll look back on the 2022 New York Mets; the good, the bad and the downright ugly. So, make sure you join us LIVE at 8pm ET for the latest edition of The Metsian Podcast!

Join Jenn and Julia, from Analyzing Mormonism, as we breakdown and examine The Family Proclamation from a woman's perspective.  We are excited to begin this series with Analyzing Mormonism as we look into the historical claims, past and present, of the LDS religion from a woman's perspective.   All voices should be heard.  ** Support Analyzing Mormonism Here: https://www.tiktok.com/@analyzing.mormonism?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Venmo- @Julia-Rose88 ** Supporting OTBT Women-led Podcast:  Venmo: @OurTruthBeTold  PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/ourtruthbetold Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/OurTruthBeTold  Follow OTBT at:   YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5h3vG4rLkYeNQx95ksxvEQ Website: https://ourtruthbetold.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OurTruthBeToldPodcast/ Facebook Community Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ourtruthbetold Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ourtruthbetoldpodcast/ TikTok: @ourtruthbetold  Blog: https://ourtruthbetold.com/?blog=y The Family: A Proclamation to the World  "Women weren't involved in the creation of the Family Proclamation." Dialogue Journal of Mormon Thought, interview with Greg Prince and Sister Okazaki.  1981 - Red Handbook called “Homosexuality” 1984 - Dallin H. Oaks writes a twenty-one page memo entitled "Principles to Govern Possible Public Statement on Legislation Affecting Rights of Homosexuals." 1991 - Letter from the First Presidency “Standards of Morality and Fidelity”  1992 - The First Presidency updates the booklet “Understanding and Helping Those Who Have Homosexual Problems" 1994 - Letter from the First Presidency “Same Gender Marriages” 1995 - The Church seeks to join the case in Hawaii to legalize same-sex marriage  1995 - Hinckley read the Proclamation in the Women's Session. Raised by Unicorns edited by Frank Lowe, one of the authors of the amicus brief that legalized same-sex marriage in 2015. The Plan and the Proclamation by Elder Oaks implies that the document was written by lawyers. It was passed around among the quorum of twelve for a year and then passed on up to the First Presidency.  Gender  William J. Critchlow General Conference October 1965   Hyrum Andrus, Doctrinal Commentary on the Pearl of Great Price, p. 116 , 1967  Rodney Turner, 1972  Gordon B. Hinckley, Live up to Your Inheritance, 1983 Birth Control: Gospel Doctrine, Joseph F. Smith Study “How Many Same-Sex Couples in the US are having children?” July 2018 UCLA LGBTQ Parenting:  Center of Surrogate Parenting, 2008 Study  American Psychological Association, 2012 Study   Live Science, 2012 Study   Washington Post on research from Melbourne, Australia, 2014 Study   American Sociological Review, 2020 Study  Frontiers in Psychology, 2021 Study  Other Sources: - Mormon Discussions Podcast Episode 24 - Tabernacles of Clay by Taylor Petrey - Gay Rights and the Mormon Church by Greg Prince - Same-Sex Dynamics Among Nineteenth-century Americans: A Mormon Example by D. Michael Quinn - Wheatandtares.org the Historical Context for Family Proclamation - Baehr vs. Lewin case [now known as Baehr vs. Miike] to legalize Same-Sex Marriage in Hawaii.

After working with Helen Whitney on the PBS documentary "The Mormons," Whitney told Greg Prince, "You have a good religion, but you need to own it. Most of its members are borrowing it." In this episode, Prince reflects on what it means to own one's religion. Recorded at the 2018 Sunstone Summer Symposium.

After working with Helen Whitney on the PBS documentary “The Mormons,” Whitney told Greg Prince, “You have a good religion, but you need to own it. Most of its members are borrowing it.” In this episode, Prince reflects on what it means to own one’s religion. Recorded at the 2018 Sunstone Summer Symposium.

LIVE at 9pm ET, we huddle on this Metsian offday to discuss, what else, our favorite baseball team. Joining us tonight is Faith and Fear in Flushing and NL Town's Greg Prince. The Mets found themselves out of sole possession of first place after losing three straight, two to the Nationals and the first game against the Pirates. Tied to start Wednesday's doubleheader, the Mets responded by sweeping the twin bill, which also prevented a possible season-high losing streak. Most likely in the postseason regardless, we'll discuss the urgency to bypass the Wild Card round by winning the division outright (and maybe exorcising some demons along the way.) Along with that, we'll also discuss Scherzer's health, our faith in the bullpen, the need for Luis Guillorme back and much more. So, join us LIVE at 9pm ET on the latest edition of The Metsian Podcast!

I review and Discuss the new biography of Leonard J. Arrington by Greg Prince. I show the contest, travails, lunatic idiocy of how Mormon leadership manages history, the dishonesty of Mormon leadership when it comes to history, and how they demonstrated they are not interested in truth.

When one thinks about the events of Jesus' life and ministry, it's natural to think about women. The Bible shows us a man whose inclusion of women was radical within its cultural context. Yet for most of history, his namesake religion has been marked by near-total domination of the patriarchy. What happened? Greg Prince once asked Chieko Okazaki a question that bears repeating: “…where do we need to go to get women in the Church where He wants them to be?” In this episode Cynthia and Susan pose that question again in a conversation shining light on a few of the women hidden in plain sight at Christianity's beginnings.

April showered Mets fans with wins. With May underway, Greg Prince and Jeff Hysen wonder whether we can stop and smell the roses of first place — or is it our nature to wait for the other shoe to drop? Also, Deep Bench continues with a salute to Met utilitymen of the 1970s; Nationals Park comes under the National League Town microscope; and Mets fan Nora Ephron has us thinking about Mother's Day.

The first combined no-hitter in New York Mets history is cause for the first emergency...we mean celebratory podcast in the long and storied annals of National League Town. Greg Prince and Jeff Hysen get positively giddy over Tylor Megill, Drew Smith, Joely Rodriguez, Seth Lugo and Edwin Diaz combining to blank the Philadelphia Phillies in not one but two columns of the line score. It's the happiest Black Friday Citi Field has ever known.

With the Mets having won the vast majority of their first few weeks' worth of games, Greg Prince and Jeff Hysen contemplate whether a good start means a good season is in progress. National League Town also introduces Deep Bench, a 60th-anniversary celebration of the Mets' most useful utility players, and stands to applaud most (if not all) members of the 3,000 Hit Club.

Met-aphorically we sit at the Woodside station, with Mets-Willets Point as our destination. After a rousing road trip to start the season, the Mets are indeed coming home. Greg Prince and Jeff Hysen welcome them back to town by sharing a few thoughts regarding Citi Field, a ballpark that's suddenly entering its 14th summer as the place we call our own.

One ace's troublesome scapula notwithstanding, we brim with measured excitement for the season at hand. Take a trip around the diamond with Greg Prince and Jeff Hysen as they persuade one another every Met who wasn't here last year is an upgrade over every Met who was; every Met who's still here from last year will only get better; and if too much doesn't go wrong, plenty is bound to go right in 2022.

We're almost there.  Three more days and a wake-up until the New York Mets open the 2022 regular season at Washington. Tonight, the National League Town Podcast proprietors Greg Prince and Jeff Hysen join Sam, Rich, and Mike on The Metsian Podcast in a collective first pitch roundtable extravaganza.  Speaking of which, pitching is suddenly a problem, again.  Otherwise, positional player chess, transactions real or imagined, minutiae, opinions, and potential rude remarks are all on the docket.  No stone will be left unturned.  The fun commences this evening LIVE at 8:00 pm (EST), or send questions or comments to @THEMetsianPod, and of course, you're welcome to call at 646-787-1919 for a hot take.

We're looking forward to Mets baseball because we love the Mets and we love baseball. What exactly do we love about our team and the game they play? In an episode conspicuously devoid of gripes, Greg Prince and Jeff Hysen swap reason after reason they keep coming back season after season.

The Mets were born in a National League Town. Does that place still exist? As a podcast, absolutely. As a state of mind, eternally. As an identity that speaks to our baseball DNA, evocatively. As an operative phrase describing New York in the present day...that may be another story. Greg Prince and Jeff Hysen delve into what exactly is in a name.

As Julie Andrews might put it, St. Lucie's alive with the sound of baseball, the game they have played for a thousand years...or 60 in the Mets' case. The sport and the team we missed are indeed back, and National League Town dives right into picking both of them apart. Greg Prince and Jeff Hysen grudgingly contemplate some new rules; cautiously welcome a couple of new arms; and wish a longtime reliever as well as they can considering he'll be wearing a Phillies uniform, thus how well can he be wished? Our hosts also take credit for bringing the lockout to an end. (Better us than Rob Manfred.)

Greg Prince and Jeff Hysen were eager to be assaulted by the annual onslaught of reassuring Spring Training rituals, routines, and clichés. Rob Manfred had other ideas. St. Lucie stays eerily quiet, but our hosts make plenty of noise regarding what Mets fans are missing in March of 2022. In search of solace, we close with a refreshing constitutional through the first-ever National League Town Mailbag (25:10).

LIVE at 8pm ET, we welcome Once Upon a Time in Queens director Nick Davis to the program as well as returning guest Greg Prince, author and blogger of Faith and Fear in Flushing. We'll discuss Nick Davis's ESPN 30 for 30 documentary on the 1986 Mets as well as the team's place in the overall New York National League legacy. So, join us at 8pm ET for the latest edition of the Bedford & Sullivan podcast!

#topicdiscuss #virology #gregprince #covid_19 #covidvaccine #eradication On this special episode, we are honored to chat with Dr. Greg Prince. We discuss the current state of the pandemic and how to completely eradicate the virus. This episode is scientifically rich and filled with incredible history relating to virology and vaccines. Buckle-up buttercups!. This is very special episode. Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Prince Prince was born and raised in Los Angeles, California. After graduating as valedictorian from Dixie College (St. George, Utah), he served a two-year mission in Brazil for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) at age 19. Upon returning to the United States in 1969, Prince attended graduate school at the University of California, Los Angeles, receiving a D.D.S. (valedictorian) in 1973 and a Ph.D in pathology in 1975. In 1975 he and his wife, JaLynn Rasmussen, moved to Washington D.C., for a post-doctoral fellowship at the National Institutes of Health. After spending more than a decade at NIH and Johns Hopkins University, he co-founded Virion Systems, Inc. (VSI), a biotechnology company focused on the prevention and treatment of pediatric infectious diseases. Building on discoveries that Prince made as a doctoral student, VSI pioneered the prevention of respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) disease in high-risk infants through the use of monoclonal antibody. (RSV is the primary cause of infant pneumonia throughout the world.) VSI's technologies were licensed to MedImmune, Inc., and the collaborative efforts of the two companies and other partners resulted in the approval by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration of Synagis, a drug that is currently given to approximately a quarter-million high-risk infants throughout the world each year. Prince currently serves as president and CEO of VSI. Prince is the author of over 150 scientific publications in the field of infectious diseases, the majority dealing with RSV. He has also published several articles on religious history and theology, as well as five books in the same field: Having Authority: The Origins and Development of Priesthood During the Ministry of Joseph Smith (1993); Power from On High: The Development of Mormon Priesthood (1995); David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism (2005), co-authored with William Robert Wright; Leonard Arrington and the Writing of Mormon History (2016); and Gay Rights and the Mormon Church: Intended Actions, Unintended Consequences (2019). The McKay book was the recipient of four prestigious awards, and the Arrington book received the Evans Biography Award. In 2008, Prince and his wife established the Madison House Autism Foundation, named after their youngest son who is autistic, for the purpose of addressing the perplexing issues facing adults with autism, along with those facing family members, caregivers and society at large. ====================================== Merch Shop

What was once a day of dread and embarrassment now has renewed joy as Ari and Joe celebrate Bobby Bonilla Day! Greg Prince, co-writer of the Mets blog, Faith and Fear in Flushing joins the show to revisit Bonilla's infamous “ear plug” game on May 30th, 1992. Greg looks back at the troubles of that notorious season and Bonilla's two tours of duty with the Mets (6:24).   Rate, review and subscribe! Follow us on Twitter @HeyBuddyPod Follow Greg @Greg_Prince

LIVE at 8pm ET, The Metsian Podcast welcomes Faith and Fear in Flushing's Greg Prince to discuss this 1st place squad. We'll talk the McKinneys, the Williams' and the Drurys of the world, the emergence of Lindor and McCann, deGrom's deGrominance, the sour spot at the back-end of the rotation, and much more! We'll also discuss the 1978 New York Mets. So, join us at 8pm ET for the latest edition of The Metsian Podcast!

In the conclusion to the conclusive episode of Bristlecone Firesides, Abbey, Madison, Luis, and Esther discuss the difference between Radical Solidarity and Charity. Each of us is entangled in the systems of sin in this world. While we can't fully extricate ourselves from sin, we can stand in solidarity with those most impacted by systems of sin and oppression. And truly changing the world is a long-term multigenerational process. How then can we remain committed to changing to the world without succumbing to hopelessness or resentment? How is activism a practice of letting go? Links: David O. Mckay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism by Greg Prince and Rob Wright Letting Go of Innocence by Prentice Hill We Will Not Cancel Us by Adrienne Marie Brown Emergent Strategy by Adrienna Marie Brown Healing Resistance by Kazu Haga All About Love by Bell Hooks The Lower Light Wisdom School Music by Epidemic Sound (http://www.epidemicsound.com) The post 10: Radical Solidarity and Faith-Based Activism, Part 2 appeared first on Bristlecone Firesides.

LIVE at 8pm ET, Faith and Fear in Flushing's Greg Prince discusses the Rockies series with us, the upcoming Cubs series and the season so far. We'll also discuss the 1976 Mets. Join us LIVE at 8pm ET for the latest edition of The Metsian Podcast!

LIVE at 8pm ET, A Metsian Podcast welcomes back one of our favorites, Faith and Fear in Flushing's Greg Prince, for the 74th official edition! With a few days of games in the books we'll talk about anything we have noticed so far...the good, the bad and the ugly. We'll also discuss the 1974 Mets. So, join us LIVE at 8pm ET for the latest edition of A Metsian Podcast!

We're a mere formality away from Steve Cohen assuming full control of the New York Metropolitan Baseball Club.  Celebrations have erupted throughout social media, with anticipation of the deal being completed in ten more days.  Until then, we dust off the Hot Stove in preparation, for what should be, a very interesting off-season.  Break out your party hats and noise-makers and please join Greg Prince (FAFIF) on this evening's Metsian Podcast, LIVE at 8:00pm (EST) - and make sure your clocks are properly adjusted.  Otherwise, Let's Go Mets!  Onward to a new Era.  

A Metsian Podcast commiserates the life and career of George Thomas Seaver, also known as The Franchise, who passed away one week ago today.  Sam, Rich and Mike, reconvene this holiday afternoon in what is sure to be an emotionally solemn fan mourning of Tom Terrific.  Faith and Fear in Flushing's Greg Prince joins the podcast as witness and testament to Seaver's brilliance on the mound.  Please join them as they reminisce over the Hall of Fame career of not only the greatest player in Mets history, but one of the all-time titans in all New York City sport.  The show goes LIVE at 5:00pm (EST), sharp!  You're welcome to call 646-787-1919 if you care to briefly share your memories of Tom Seaver with the greater Metsian family.

On Saturday, August 1, Greg Prince of Faith and Fear in Flushing joined our Sam Maxwell on the Bedford & Sullivan podcast to discuss the Mets and the NL legacy of the Dodgers and Giants in the shadows of Friday night's blown game to the Atlanta Braves.

Greg Prince is the author of numerous award-winning books and articles, most recently Gay Rights and the Mormon Church (2019). He is President of Soft Cell Biological Research, a St. George, Utah biotech company focused… The post Dialogue Book of Mormon Gospel Study with Gregory Prince on Alma 8–12 appeared first on Dialogue Journal.

Do young and old Mormons feel the same about Church teachings and culture?  How similar or different are they?  Dr. Jana Riess and Dr. Ben Knoll discuss the results of their recent survey of Mormon attitudes and we'll learn how similar or different we are based on age.  What are differences in Mormons by Generations? https://youtu.be/1phIQ1aWGKc Benjamin:  And so oftentimes in the book, we combined Baby Boomers and Silent Generation into a single category, because they tended to look similar on a lot of things. Whereas Gen Xers and Millennials tended to look similar on a lot of things. The breakdown seems to be between the Baby Boomer and Gen X generation. The trends that the Millennials show were often continuations of things that started or became more pronounced in the Gen X generation, which I thought was really interesting. GT:  All right, so how are the Gen Xers and the Millennials similar? I think Millennials are even more different, right? How are they more different? Jana:  Well, they are not quite as politically conservative. They are not flaming liberals by any stroke of the imagination. They're still Mormons. And so, they're more conservative than other people their age, but they are less conservative than older Latter-day Saints, politically. And I think in terms of their religiosity, they are, again, in between. So, Millennials as a whole in the nation are the generation that we're seeing to be most likely to disaffiliate of any generation that we've been tracking, in American history. But for Millennial Mormons, yes, they are more likely to disaffiliate than their older counterparts, but less likely to do so than other Millennials. So just think of them as kind of in the middle of these two things. But they're more supportive of LGBT rights, not as supportive as other Millennials. We also talked about Millennials's attitudes about LGBT and the Church, and even referenced Greg Prince's recent book, Gay Rights and the Mormon Church. GT:  Yeah, he thought that they would double down for about 15 years. So, it was definitely surprising. I asked Greg, a little bit about how many people left the church? He said, in the first year 60,000 people, which is just..... Jana:  He and I talked about this as well, and we're not finding that kind of evidence. GT:  Oh, really? Jana:  No. Benjamin:  Well, that's one that we're going to have to take a little bit further look at. So, this happened, it was in 2015? GT:  November. Benjamin:  Right. And our survey was literally, just the year afterwards, and so for people to say that they're former Mormons in here, that would have been only a year for that to have happened. There just weren't that many people in the survey that we saw identifying as a former Mormon, who had left just in that 12 months before the survey was conducted from when the event first happened there. So, it's difficult for us to be able to definitively put a number on that one way or another. ... GT:  Well, I guess I do have another question. If you look at 60,000 divided by 15 million, that's a fraction of a percent, right? And how big was your survey of Mormons? Jana:  We had 1156 currently identified and 540 former Mormons. GT:  So would your survey even be large enough to ascertain?  I mean, 60,000 sounds like a big number. But, in my statistics class, I always say rates are much better than counts. So, as far as a rate that would be a tiny fraction. Would you even be able to notice that in a survey of 1100 people? Jana:  Matt Martinich, who is much more advanced on church statistics than just about anybody else, would say no. That's not enough to move the needle, as he would put it. What are your thoughts about shifting generational attitudes in the Church?  Is the exodus following the November 2015 Gay Policy a big number, or just a blip? Check out our conversation…. Are Millennials' attitudes changing the Church?

There has been a discrepancy as to when the Melchizedek Priesthood was restored.  Was it in June of 1829, 1830, or 1831?  Historian Dan weighs in on the controversy and makes a case for later than the official Church story. https://youtu.be/M0pguvO2hJo GT: Okay, so it sounds to me like you're making a pretty strong case for the restoration of the Melchizedek Priesthood being 1831, which really wasn't known about until 1835. Is that what you're saying? Dan   Yeah, 1835.  Alma Chapter 13 talks about the high priesthood and associates the high priesthood with Melchizedek.  So in June 1831, it's the high priesthood that is given to elders, and for time it was the elders with more authority. It wasn't a separate office at first.  It takes several months before it becomes the high priest office, but it was elders that had the high priesthood. So, that high priesthood, of course, because Alma is going to be associated with Melchizedek, and that's why it says for the first time.  The eldership wasn't associated with Melchizedek. So in the church you had, for a while, elders.  Elders were the charismatic leaders of the church, and the teachers, priests and deacons. were under elders. GT:  Yeah. So from what I understand, I spoke with Greg Prince about a year and a half ago, one of the things he said was when the church was very first organized, you had elders, priests and teachers. Those are the only three authorized. Dan:  Right, deacon came a little later. GT:  Deacon and Bishop came when Sidney Rigdon was baptized, and he said the Bible has Bishop and Deacon and so those were added later, both to the Aaronic priesthood, but it sounds like.. Dan:  There's no Aaronic, yet. GT:  So it was just the priesthood. Okay. I'm trying to remember because Quinn also delves into this and it sounded like elders were kind of like, "We're not sure if they're Aaronic or Melchizedek," because it was kind of confusing. Dan:  Elders and then the High Priests were separate.  Not until the expansion of D & C 107 were elders included in the High Priesthood and formed two layers. Dan will also weigh in on Michael Marquardt's claim that the Church was restored in Manchester, rather than Fayette.  Check out our conversation…. Historian Dan Vogel thinks the restoration of Melchizedek Priesthood dates to 1831. Don't miss our other episodes with Dan! 289 – Methodist Visions 288 – Why “Pious Fraud” Ticks off Everyone 287 – Dan Vogel Was a McConkie Mormon!  

What are some of the legal, science, and social reasons the LDS Church may have removed the Policy of Exclusion?  Greg Prince answers these questions. https://youtu.be/UEK0mVYbmw0 GT:  I know in our last interview, one of the things that, what's the word? The people that disagreed with you the most, I guess we'll put it that way. Previously, we had talked, and I know it came up again last night, where you had said that it was a straw man, where people think that the government will now force gay marriages.  You'd given an example, has a rabbi ever been forced to marry a Jew and Gentile and things like that? So, I know there are still some people, if you look at my comments, I have a few people from lawyers that say that your argument is a straw man. Greg:  I base my argument on two bits of data. One is that when the Hawaii decision was handed down, that invalidated the law, the Hawaii Supreme Court made it explicit, that under no circumstances would the LDS Church or any church be required by the state to perform any kind of marriage, that the authority to perform marriages resided in the state. It could be given to churches, and give them the privilege of performing marriages that would be legal, but there was no obligation that extended with that privilege. In other words, the state could not say, "Here's how you have to do it. Here's who you have to perform ceremonies for.”  It was made explicit in that.  The other data point is lengthy conversations with Bill Eskridge, who is a professor of law at Yale, is considered the top legal expert in the country on LGBTQ law. And on the science front.... Greg:  Decades ago, researchers started looking at twins to see if that gave them clues as to the cause of homosexuality. If it were strictly genetic, then identical twins would always be the same. If one were gay, the other would be gay, if one were straight, the other would be straight.  Fraternal twins, because they don't share the same genetic makeup would be expected to be different, like maybe not concordant at all.  It turned out that it was a mixture of the two, that with identical twins, the concordance would be in the neighborhood of 50 to 60%--one twin is gay, then it would be likely that the other also would be gay, but not essential. Whereas with fraternal twins, it was maybe around 20%. So what that really said, although we didn't realize the ramifications of it at that time was, genetics is part of it, but there's something else that's part of it, and we didn't know what to call that yet. Eventually, that came to be known as epigenetics, which are factors that work on how the genes function, but they're not the genes themselves. We also talk about the recent policy change that allows Americans to get married civilly one day and sealed later without a one-year wait. The conclusion is only available to subscribers of our FREE newsletter.  Just sign up at GospelTangents.com/newsletter and I will send you a free link to watch the conclusion! Greg Prince discusses legal, social, and science aspects of LGBT policies. Don't miss our other conversations with Greg! 285 – Revelatory Whiplash 284 – The Christian Right & LGBT Fight 283 – Mixing Church & Politics in Gay Fight  

(Updated-Fixed mp3-link) When the Nov 2015 policy was announced, many LDS Church members were hurt to learn that children of gay parents couldn't be baptized, and gay couples were considered in apostasy. Fast forward to April 2019 and the policy was reversed, causing joy among some church members, and pain from other dues to the quick nature of the change.  Still others were outraged at the reversal.  Some church members may have felt a bit of revelatory whiplash at the sudden changes.  Dr. Greg Prince will talk more about the pain caused by the Policy and its reversal. https://youtu.be/pHQPPSIVoi0 GT:  I know, some people made an interesting observation last night at your book signing, that there was not a single mention of that [in General Conference]. Why do you think that was? Greg:  I think that's because they had good input from Public Affairs, that if you're going to announce something like that, which is not real cheery news for the institution, because you're erasing something that people thought was permanent, when you called it a revelation three years earlier. The way to do it, essentially, is what the government does when it has bad news, you announce it after five o'clock on a Friday afternoon, so that by Monday, people have pretty much moved on. By announcing it a couple days before General Conference, and then not mentioning it, it became non-news. I think that was a good move on their part. GT:  So, I know a lot of people, I know that I was very happy with the announcement. But I know a lot of people have been just as upset, and I think the main reason why is because there was no apology. I know Elder Oaks is often quoted as, "The church doesn't apologize."[1] Do you think it would have been a Public Relations win if the church had said we know there's been some damage done here, or do you agree with Elder Oaks, "The church just doesn't apologize." Greg:  No, I don't agree with that. I think they should apologize on multiple things, and it would have been a P.R. win, if they had said humbly, "We apologize for the damage that this has done," because demonstrably it did a lot of damage. Families were ripped apart. I think there's good evidence that more than a few people took their lives over this, and you can't undo that by reversing the policy. That's the real residual damage of this thing. It's not like okay, we went there, now we've come back, now let's go on and life goes on as it did before, but it doesn't. You step in something and you step out of it, but you still got it in your shoes, and that's where we are? How do you undo that kind of damage? It also creates a dilemma that may even affect the orthodox church member more than the progressive church member, and that is, "Wait a minute, you told us this was revelation, and now three years later, you're saying it's back to where we were?"   That creates a real dilemma. GT:  I have actually seen some orthodox members say, "I think the church is now in apostasy." Greg:  Yes. It's an unforced error, but, nonetheless, it's something that they're going to have to deal with, and it has repercussions because it affects the whole brand of revelation.  If people thought that something being called revelation conferred permanence to it, now it becomes much more relative, and it has a ripple effect beyond that particular revelation. It calls into a question other [revelations] and say, "Well, how unchangeable is the rest of it?" In my mind, changeability is bedrock for Mormonism, but it's something that makes most church members really nervous. They will embrace the concept of continuing revelation, but they're really hesitant to accept change. It's a paradox. [1] See https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2122123&itype=cmsid Check out our conversation…. The reversal of the 2015 Exclusion policy earlier this year has caused a bit of revelatory whiplash among more orthodox Church members.

It's not just the LDS Church that has had a difficult time dealing with gay rights.  The Christian right is struggling with the issue as well.  Dr. Greg Prince serves on the Board of Directors for a Methodist seminary near Washington, D.C. https://youtu.be/FmaaUqUBHw4 Greg:  The Methodists have a heap of trouble on this. In February of this year, they had what is termed a Called General Conference. They normally have general conferences once every four years. But they can have a special conference, and they did it for one issue, and that was LGBTQ. There were really three elements that they were considering during this conference. One is how do we deal with religious talk about gays? Do we brand them as apostates? Do we brand them as sinners? The second was, will we allow the ordination of gay clergy, and the third was, will we allow the performing of gay marriages? The Conservatives prevailed, and that was primarily because of Africa. Forty-five percent of the delegates to the conference were from Africa, and that vote which was strongly homophobic, combined with the delegates from the American South prevailed, and it put the Methodist Church in a more homophobic stance than they had been prior to the conference. The other alternative that was put forward and voted down, was called the One Church proposal, and that was written primarily by the head of our Board of Governors. So, he was front and center in the debate, and he and other delegates from Wesley were just devastated with the outcome. It puts them in a much more difficult position, organizationally, than the LDS Church right now, because there's a very real possibility of permanent schism, that the United Methodist Church might not wind up being very united anymore. They're trying to work out some kind of a compromise that can avoid that, and when I went to the board meeting earlier this week, Tom looked at me and he said, “I never thought I'd see the day when the Methodists would make the Mormons look progressive.” In our next conversation, we'll talk about how the Christian Right deals with gay rights, and specifically discuss what happened in the Prop 8 battle in California. GT:  Okay, so, by November, the church with a coalition of the Catholic Church and some other organizations--now, one of the things that I found interesting last night was you said that that the Mormon Church combined with the Catholic Church and some evangelical organizations for some sort of a front organization, and then you said that they all said, "Well, we're behind you," but they weren't. Greg:  This went back to 2000, and it was reminiscent of Lucy and the football. GT:  Okay. Greg:  I won't lift up the football this time. And every time Charlie Brown fell for it, and every time she lifted up the football and he wound up on his back. So in 2000, the other churches said, "We're in this together," but the LDS Church wound up carrying all the water.  In 2008, they said, "No, this time, we're really in this together," and the LDS Church wound up carrying most of the water. Because the money was given to a front organization, it's very difficult to figure out how large a role church members played in financing Prop 8.  The best estimates are at least 50% of the $40 million, that the Yes on 8 Movement collected came from Latter-day Saints. It could have been substantially more than 50%, but we know that much just from reverse engineering because the donors' contributions were registered with the California Secretary of State, and a group of innovative church members looked at that list and started disseminating it to their network throughout the state, and identifying church members and then tabulating the amount of money collectively that hadn't been given by them. Check out our conversation…. The Christian Right is also struggling with gay marriage. Greg Prince tells interesting story about the Methodist Church. Don't miss our previous conversation with Greg!

I'm excited to have Greg Prince back on the show!  We're going to talk about his new book, Gay Rights and the Mormon Church and we will discuss the history of LDS Church policy toward gays, and get into not only Prop 8 in California, but Prop 22 as well.  We will also talk about the legal battles in Hawaii that led to federal legislation prohibiting gay marriage. But why did Greg write this book on church & politics? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7YLB5k8CSM&t=1s Initially, I thought I would write a book about Prop 8 and the Mormon Church's role in it. Because even though people knew that there had been a role, there had not been anything published that tried to take a comprehensive look at that. When I started with Prop 8, I quickly began to realize that Prop 8 wasn't told whole story. It reached backwards into Prop 22, which was similar legislation in California eight years earlier and that, in turn, was related to the Hawaii lawsuit that began in the early 1990s, which was really the first time when the courts took up the issue of marriage equality, in any serious fashion, enough so that people thought that that would be the turning point. He'll answer that in our next conversation…. Greg Prince details the history of LDS political fights over gay marriage from the 1990s through today. Don't miss our previous discussion with Greg! 104: When did we start Ordaining Young Men? 103: Naturalist Explanation for Word of Wisdom? 102: Early LDS Priesthood: Similar to Ancient Christianity? 101: Ailing Church Leaders:  “Not Ideal Governance.” 100:  The 4 LDS Leadership Vacuums – What Happened? 094: “There is Nothing in LDS Theology that Justifies Whacking Infants” (POX) 093: Greg Prince on History of LDS Policy Toward Gays

Welcome to Gospel Tangents, the best source for Mormon history, science, and theology.  I'd like to introduce Dr. Jonathan Stapley.  He has written a new book called the Power of Godliness, which talks about LDS priesthood. Jonathan introduces a new term into LDS lexicon:  cosmological priesthood.  What does that mean? https://youtu.be/1R3STTDVRY4 Jonathan:  I called that in the book, the “cosmological priesthood.” Now that I've done several book events, I'm tired of that, and I find it annoying and it is a little idiosyncratic and silly. I'm not saying that there was the Aaronic Priesthood, the Melchizedek Priesthood, and the Cosmological Priesthood.  It's a heuristic device that we can use to understand the dynamics and what was the work that these rituals were doing in the community that performed them. And so, we have an ecclesiastical priesthood and what I'm framing is the cosmological priesthood, the Nauvoo temple liturgy. And there's how Mormons viewed them and how they interacted with these concepts, a shift and change with successive waves of converts and generations of Mormons. We'll also talk about the trite phrase about priesthood and motherhood. Jonathan:  When I talk to people about this, Mormons have created a dichotomy oftentimes between priesthood and motherhood, which I talk about in the book and I think isn't particularly a historical, it is historical in the sense that it's been around for a while, but isn't, it doesn't make a tremendous amount of sense within our tradition.  But I will often ask, what is "the motherhood?"  And that's a phraseology that doesn't really sound familiar to us. It doesn't make, it doesn't have an obvious meaning, because what motherhood is, is being a mother. That's what it means. So, if you were to say, "the motherhood," you could conceive of it as perhaps a group of mothers. That would be "the motherhood" perhaps. But priesthood is a similar construction. So, early on, the earliest revelations and the earliest documents we have, construct a priesthood that it is essentially the capacity of a priest, just as motherhood is the capacity of a mother. So, you would ordain somebody to be a priest or an elder and that would be priesthood. And quickly, Joseph Smith has subsequent revelations that create larger cosmological valances to what priesthood is. But what I tried to do is create a framework in the book that makes all the shifts in bicycle dynamics within Mormon discussions of priesthood, sensible and, and the way I do that is by framing one area of priesthood as an ecclesiastical priesthood. Dr. Jonathan Stapley introduces the concept of "cosmological priesthood." [paypal-donation] Don't forget to check out our conversation on priesthood with Greg Prince!  Check out our conversation…..

With General Conference coming up this weekend, Dr. Bill Smith and I speculate on some possible future revelations coming up!  Would Official Declaration 3 deal with Gays? https://youtu.be/clQ_cYvENw4 GT:  You mentioned a couple of things that were very interesting to me, especially in light of the Family Proclamation.  D&C 132 is kind of the foundation for forever families.  But you mentioned singles and you also mentioned gays.  How do those relate to section 132? Bill:  Well I think that section 132 is by evidence, at least by internal evidence, it's very much in the vein of thinking of sex as being in terms of heterosexual sex, of course not necessarily one-man and one-woman sex, but one-man, multiple-women.  So, I think that's the point of the revelation.  It doesn't really speak to the possibility of gay marriage.  It doesn't open that possibility at all.  Whether that can be addressed in some other way, I don't know, but the revelation, that's not on anybody's mind. GT:  Right.  So, do you see that as being a possibility of a future revelation? Bill:  Anything is possible.  I don't know.  Whether people would feel that there is dissonance with section 132 and any further revelation that expanded some kind of approval of gay relationships, gay marriage, I don't know.  That's for another generation, I am guessing.  But yes, that might be something that would be addressed.  I don't know. Of course we do this in relation to Section 132 of the Doctrine & Covenants, which is one of Mormonism's most important revelations:  The New & Everlasting Covenant of marriage.  Is there room in this revelation to accommodate gay marriage?  In our next episode, Dr. Bill Smith will answer that question, and discuss how it might impact future revelations dealing with not only gays, but women as well. Bill:  Well there's something of equal probability I think is that we have an official declaration that says that women can be ordained. GT:  Would that be more likely? Bill:  Boy I don't really know.  I think yes, it probably fits better with the current paradigm than say gay marriage would be, recognizing gay marriage. .,. GT:  Do you see 132 being compatible with say female ordination? Bill:  Yeah, the polygamy parts seem to partake of the typical sort of patriarchal kinds of views of the 19th century, the 18th century and back.  In terms of incompatibilities, that's where that would lie.  In terms of ordination practices, those kinds of things, I don't see an incompatibility there, structure.  I mean it would be easy to enfold women into priesthood structures if that was to take place.  I don't see a problem there.  I don't think it would be possible to stop that because you had the same kinds of issues with blacks and the priesthood when the ‘78 change was announced.  They were very clear that this meant that there weren't any restrictions on their participation in any way. Is this Official Declaration 4?  Check out our conversation….. [paypal-donation] Here are some others episodes you may be interested in. 093: Greg Prince on History of LDS Policy Toward Gays 092:  How to Polygamists Feel about Gay Marriage? (Wilde) 048: What are the Theological Justifications of Polygamy? (Hales) 044: Does D&C 132 Conflict with Genesis? (Hales) 012: Kirtland Era Polygamy (Staker)  

[paypal-donation] Earlier this summer, one of my guests, Jim Vun Cannon of the Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, asked me why the LDS Church ordained youth to the Aaronic Priesthood.  At the time I said I need to talk to Greg Prince because he'll probably have an answer.  Now is my chance.  In our next conversation, we'll talk about the evolution of LDS Priesthood.  When and why is it that the LDS Church decided to ordain young men to the priesthood? Greg:  My recollection is that I think it was 1904.  Joseph Keeler published a book under the direction of the First Presidency, that's stated in the preface, and I'm blocking on what the name of it was but it was almost a general handbook of instructions.  I think it was Lesser Priesthood and Church Governance[1] (or something like that.)  It went through two editions and he changed the title later on. But as far as I can tell, that was the first time when ages were prescribed for ordination into the Aaronic Priesthood.  Initially it was 12, 15, and 18 for Deacon, Teacher, and Priest. Don't forget to check out our discussion about early LDS Priesthood offices.  Check out our conversation….. https://youtu.be/q2ukOZGuY2M [1] See http://amzn.to/2B9f3m6 [paypal-donation]

[paypal-donation] We're continuing our conversation about revelation in the LDS Church.  One of Mormonism's most important and well-known revelations deals with the Word of Wisdom, Mormonism's health code.  Dr. Greg Prince talks about a naturalistic view of how that revelation was received.  I think it's pretty surprising. Greg:  You will hear people still who say the Word of Wisdom proves Joseph was a prophet because it was a hundred years ahead of its time.  It wasn't even a day ahead of its time.  It reflected what everybody already knew.  This was the air that they breathed. The Temperance Movement kicked in in 1826 because there was an epidemic of drunkenness in the United States.  The consumption of distilled liquor over a 30 year period had tripled on a per capita basis.  Drunkenness became a national security issue.  That's why the American Temperance Society was formed in 1826. ... When they said “hot drinks,” it mean drinks that were hot.  It wasn't what was in them. GT:  Including hot chocolate? Greg:  People didn't drink hot chocolate.  They only drank two hot drinks:  coffee and tea.  But it wasn't the content, it was the temperature.  It moved you out of that zone of moderation, out of temperance. ... If there had been iced drinks, probably the Word of Wisdom would have said no hot drinks and no iced drinks because the whole notion was temperance, moderation. ... GT:  Some would say, is that really revelation then, or is that just the thinking of the day? Greg:  Well you get into the circular argument on that.  Is something revelation because we call it revelation, or is the nature of the something what later qualifies it as being revelation?  If you're looking for the splitting the ceiling and the voice of the Lord dropping through-type revelation, how many instances of that do we have within the LDS Church tradition? Hear what he has to say about meat and grains!  We'll also tell some stories about President McKay. Greg:  President McKay looked up at him and said, “What's on the cup doesn't matter so long as what's in the cup is a Coke.” ...I was chatting with one of the secretaries who had worked in President McKay's office...She read that and she said, “That's not correct.” I said, “What do you mean it's not correct?  You know the guy who gave me that story!” Then she said, “Well let me tell you..." It's going to be a very fun conversation.  I hope you join us….. https://youtu.be/LFiDUzhVdjs   [paypal-donation]

[paypal-donation] Greg Prince wrote a book[1] on the evolution of LDS Priesthood.  In our next conversation, I'll talk to Greg and I'll ask him more about this evolution.  He even touches on the variations in the First Vision accounts. Greg:  Yes, I think you need to start by backing up to the time when there wasn't even a church and look at phases that Joseph Smith went through.  The earliest phase was there wasn't even talk of the church.  There wasn't even talk of authority.  When he had his First Vision, if you looked at the earliest version of that as likely being the most authentic historically, it had nothing to do with churches. He said in his account of it in 1832, [he] already knew from studying the bible that all the churches were wrong, which is diametrically opposed to what the canonized version says.  So he went to the grove for personal forgiveness, and that's what that account said.  The Lord appeared and said Joseph had been forgiven; end of story, bye, bye.  [There was] no hint that there would be a church in his future. When you start to get into the Moroni narratives, then you have implicit authority, meaning that people around Joseph believed that something extraordinary was going on, and when he got the plates, they saw that something extraordinary was going on, and nobody challenged his authority to do it.  Towards the end of the translation process, they become concerned about having authority to perform ordinances, baptism being the primary one. Did you know that in the early Mormon Church, Bishops and Deacons weren't even a part of the organizational structure? The Nephite Christian Church described in the latter chapters of the Book of Mormon had only three offices:  teachers, priests, and elders, and there's minimal description in there, but there was a differentiation between the teachers and priests on the one hand, and elders on the other hand.  The word “priesthood” was not used.  In fact “priesthood” was more likely to be interpreted as “priestcraft” in the Book of Mormon, the evil priests. ... If you look at the Far West record, which is basically the minute book of the early church general conferences, in the first conference that is recorded in June 1830, there are only three offices to which people are ordained:  teachers, priests, and elders.  You have two others appended in 1831:  those were deacons and bishops. There are lots of other surprising insights. You can make the claim that this is a restoration of the primitive church structure, but you can't make that stick.  Yes those offices are recognized both in the New Testament.  It's about as far as you can take it.  The concept of a dual-tiered priesthood existing within an early Christian church isn't there.  It's taking parts of Old Testament theology, parts of New Testament theology, doing some cherry-picking, and eventually settling in pretty much on where we have it now. He also talks about some of the circular reasoning we have regarding priesthood.  Check out our conversation!  (Check out our previous episodes on leadership vacuums and ailing leaders too!) https://youtu.be/Nc26a1nDiKQ [1] Greg's book is called Priesthood from on High and is found at http://amzn.to/2nqcCFM [paypal-donation]

[paypal-donation] I enjoyed our latest conversation with Greg Prince.  We talked about incapacitation of church leaders due to medical factors.  Is this a problem in our church ailing church leaders having such an advanced age and becoming incapacitated due to medical issues? Greg: So, if you're just looking at this from a medical standpoint, it's inevitable that incapacitation of an LDS Church president will be both more frequent and longer lasting.  In a fast-paced, complex world with a growing church, that may not give you the ideal governance.  So the question is, what do you do about it? What we did about it is to say look.  Here's the medicine involved in this, period.  If they choose to address the situation at some point, it's their call.  But what we can say with a high level of confidence, because we looked at this through the eyes of medicine is, this is the situation.  It's going to happen more frequently, and last longer. Now a few month ago, Greg took some flak over a comment he made about church policies changing.  He made a similar comment to me when I asked if he saw the succession policy changing. GT:  Do you ever see this policy changing? Greg:  I see virtually anything changing because I have seen everything change.  I'm not aware of a single LDS doctrine of any significance that from 1830 forward has gone completely unchanged.  You'd think a lot of them would, but it turns out, no there were some substantial changes in many cases very early on.  If you just look at the First Vision narratives, you see the evolution of Joseph Smith's theology of deity, and it's taking place in a very rapid fashion and in a very dramatic fashion. It wasn't just nibbling at the periphery.  He was going through evolutionary leaps in the way that he portrayed the godhead.  That was reflected in his subsequent retellings of the story of the First Vision.  Each time he told it anew, it incorporated the then current version of his theology of deity.  That's why those different versions are telling different stories, because they became theological narratives rather than historical narratives. What do you think?  Are LDS policies changing?  Has there really been no LDS point of theology that hasn't changed significantly over the history of the church?  Don't forget to talk about our previous conversation on the leadership vacuums caused by extended periods of incapacitation.  Check out the conversation... https://youtu.be/512L0cE1Vmg [paypal-donation]