Podcast appearances and mentions of Joseph Smith

Heidi writes mid-labor to ask about D&C 76: does rejecting the gospel in this life really cap you at the terrestrial kingdom? We discuss that we simply don't know what fully constitutes a person's opportunity to accept Christ, and that a bitter, door-slammed missionary is nobody's final judge. Joseph Smith's own teachings point to a far more merciful God.    That flows into a heavyweight take on "after all we can do" (2 Nephi 25:23): Pelagius, Calvinism vs. Arminianism, evangelicalism's assurance-of-salvation hybrid, and President Oaks's "Have You Been Saved?" The through-line: we're saved only by grace, and living prophets, not proof-texts, tell us how that grace applies.   If you are interested in joining us in 2027 in Palmyra and Kirtland, August 1st through August 7th, click on the link below and reserve your spot: https://pci.jotform.com/form/261567888174171   Sign up for our free monthly email: ⁠ ⁠⁠https://standardoftruthpodcast.substack.com⁠⁠   If you have any questions or possible topics of discussion for upcoming podcasts, please email us at: ⁠⁠questions@standardoftruthpodcast.com

On today's Bible Answer Man broadcast (10/01/26), Hank addresses the Mormon belief that on May 15, 1829, John the Baptist appeared and conferred the Aaronic priesthood upon Joseph Smith, and later on Peter, James, and John conferred upon Smith the Melchizedek priesthood.Hank also answers the following questions:Would you consider Joseph Smith a wolf in sheep's clothing? Jesse - San Antonio, TX (3:25)Can you explain your view on the degrees of punishment in hell? Does Adolf Hitler suffer worse than others in Hell? Jason - NY (5:25)How do I respond to those who deny the existence of hell? Gene - Modesto, CA (15:12)Would it be unethical for a church to ask a pastor from another church to be their pastor? Joe - Port Huron, MI (20:40)I heard your conversation with a Mormon, and wondered why you never pressed him on the question: “Where did Jesus come from?” Robert - Fresno, CA (21:55)

Does chiasmus prove that the Book of Mormon is an ancient text?In this episode of LDS Discussions, we take a closer look at one of the most frequently cited arguments for the Book of Mormon's ancient authenticity: chiasmus. Mormon apologists have argued that the presence of complex chiastic structures demonstrates that the Book of Mormon was written by ancient Hebrew authors and could not have been produced by Joseph Smith in the 19th century. But there is a problem with that argument: chiasmus does not appear only in the Book of Mormon. We examine what chiasmus actually is, how John W. Welch famously identified chiasmus in the Book of Mormon. We also look at the way chiasmus and other biblical literary patterns appear throughout the Old Testament, New Testament, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Book of Moses, Book of Abraham, and even Joseph Smith's personal writings and letters. We also examine an important question about translation. If the Book of Mormon was originally written in Reformed Egyptian and then translated into English, how could highly specific Hebrew literary structures survive that process? The Book of Mormon itself says that its language had been altered, raising questions about the assumption that these literary structures should necessarily have been preserved. If the presence of chiasmus in the Book of Mormon is supposed to demonstrate that it was written by ancient authors, what should we make of the same literary technique appearing in texts that unquestionably originated in the modern era? Even Shakespeare, who was born in London, wrote complex chiasms. The goal is not simply to ask whether chiasmus exists in the Book of Mormon, but whether its existence actually demonstrates ancient authorship. ___________________YouTubeAt Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals.  Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions

Few figures in early Latter-day Saint history have a reputation as colorful—and as misunderstood—as Orrin Porter Rockwell. Known in popular memory as a fearless frontier scout, bodyguard, and legendary defender of Joseph Smith, Porter has often been portrayed as a rough-and-tumble gunman whose reputation sometimes overshadowed the real person. But who was Porter Rockwell when the legends were stripped away?In this episode of Church History Matters, Scott Woodward and Casey Griffiths take a closer look at the man behind the myth. What was Porter Rockwell actually like when people met him? Why did friends and Church leaders describe such loyalty, courage, humor, generosity, and devotion in him? From his lifelong friendship with Joseph Smith to his relationships with ordinary Latter-day Saints, Porter's story reveals a man whose personality could be as memorable as his reputation. Those who encountered him often remembered his kindness, hospitality, quick wit, unwavering loyalty, and willingness to stand by his friends through extraordinary circumstances.Scott and Casey explore the stories and firsthand impressions that help paint a fuller picture of Porter Rockwell—not simply as the legendary “Mormon Danite” of popular folklore, but as a complex human being whose faith, friendships, personality, and devotion shaped the way others remembered him. Who was Porter Rockwell really? And what can the testimony of those who knew him tell us about the man behind one of the most enduring legends of Latter-day Saint history?#Porterrockwell #Churchhistorymatters #caseygriffiths #scottwoodward

In this episode we explain the CES Letter—an 84-page document detailing major historical, textual, and scientific discrepancies within LDS history. For many, reading these facts feels like a sudden punch to the gut, causing their entire identity, family dynamic, and spiritual framework to crumble. Rather than retreating into fear, bitterness, or total secularism, this episode offers a compassionate and intellectually honest path forward. Guided by Paul's command in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 to "test everything... hold on to what is good," we examine the actual claims of the CES Letter, contrast the historical reliability of 19th-century Mormon claims with 1st-century biblical Christianity, and point listeners to an unshakeable, grace-filled foundation in the real Jesus of the Bible.Key TakeawaysTesting Truth Claims is a Biblical Mandate: 1 Thessalonians 5:21 (dokimazo) commands believers to test claims against verifiable evidence rather than shielding their eyes or relying solely on internal emotional feelings.The CES Letter's Impact: Synthesized existing academic research on Joseph Smith's translation methods (seer stone in a hat), Book of Mormon anachronisms and DNA evidence, the Book of Abraham papyri translations, and hidden polyandrous/teenage polygamy history.Structural Failure vs. Spiritual Reality: The historical breakdown of 19th-century Mormon restoration claims does not mean God has failed or that all religion is a scam.Biblical Testing Stand Up to Scrutiny: Unlike Book of Mormon claims, biblical events, locations, and historical figures are backed by extensive manuscript evidence and archaeological verification.From Transactional Performance to Free Grace: Salvation in Christ is not a ladder climbed through temple ordinances and human effort, but a finished gift (Tetelestai—"paid in full") received by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8–9).--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--

Since 2018, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been publishing teaching curriculum for its members to study at home each week. It's called Come, Follow Me. Every year the curriculum focuses on a specific section of either the Bible or the Mormon scriptures. In 2026, the focus of CFM is the Old Testament. You can see the curriculum for yourself on the LDS Gospel Library App. It's free and available to LDS and the general public alike. This particular week, CFM is focused on several chapters from the Book of Isaiah. And this week and next on Apologetics Profile, we'll be discussing CFM and some of its teaching on the Book of Isaiah and how that teaching obscures and covers up a lot of what Isaiah is really all about. We'll be talking with former Latter-day Saint Casey Brianne, fiancee of our very own Apologetics Profile host Daniel Ray. Casey was a Latter-day Saint for 16 years, baptized as a young adult convert into the LDS Church at the age of 21. Here on part one Casey will share a bit of her story and we'll get into a bit about what CFM has to say about the Book of Isaiah. If you know of any Latter-day Saints, please share the broadcast with them this week and next!Casey's TestimonyPart OnePart TwoPart ThreeLDS linksEncyclopedia of MormonismWho Do Mormons Worship?Preach My Gospel Manual Come, Follow MeAudio Clips Used in This Episodehttps://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2022/04/54pace?lang=enghttps://youtu.be/nlMq1Pgy9Qc?si=zVVkng6N9oFYHixBhttps://youtu.be/VD4QeKqETtM?si=eq_via9tyY8TFSDVResources from Watchman FellowshipPrevious podcasts on Latter-day Saint beliefs, practices, history, and doctrines. Additional Resources:FREE: We are also offering a subscription to our 4-page bimonthly Profiles here: www.watchman.org/FreePROFILE NOTEBOOK: www.watchman.org/NotebookSUPPORT: Help us create more content like this. Make a tax-deductible donation here: www.watchman.org/GiveApologetics Profile is a ministry of Watchman Fellowship For more information, visit www.watchman.org © 2026 Watchman Fellowship, Inc.

El Libro de Mormón puede considerarse como el Antiguo Testamento de la Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Últimos Días, publicado por el norteamericano Joseph Smith, su fundador; en él se relata la historia de dos grandes civilizaciones, que se suponen viajaron a América antes del nacimiento de Jesucristo y después de su Resurrección. Es una compilación de los escritos de numerosos profetas, que el último de ellos, Mormoni, hijo de Mormón, grabó en unas planchas de oro para su conservación.

Acclaimed musicologist, composer, and author Dr. Michael Hicks served on the BYU faculty for 35 years, retiring as Professor Emeritus of Music. In our conversation, we delve into the rich and often surprising history of Latter-day Saint hymnody, looking at everything from the earliest frontier gatherings to the forthcoming global hymnbook.Michael shares how early Saints truly experienced music in their worship, shedding light on the untold stories behind iconic hymns, the shifts across different church hymnals, and the musical tastes of church leaders. We also dive into the oral practice of “lining out” hymns, the stark divide between Emma Smith's personal, grace-centered hymn selections and the Apostles' second-coming anthems, and the peculiar tale of how President Spencer W. Kimball's personal record collection made its way across the Atlantic.Some highlights from this episode include:The Lost Art of “Lining Out”: How early Latter-day Saints sang without hymnals or printed musical notation, relying on an oral, line-by-line call-and-response tradition that mirrors modern campfires and concerts.Emma Smith vs. The British Apostles: The dramatic divergence in early LDS hymnody—how Emma Smith favored deeply personal hymns centered on grace, individual redemption, and grief (including "Amazing Grace"), while the Apostles in Manchester compiled bold, millenarian songs of triumph and Zion.Joseph Smith's Real Musical Favorites: Debunking the popular myth that "A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief" was Joseph Smith's personal favorite song, and revealing why four out of his five most requested tunes were melancholy soldier ballads about the grief and regret of war.Gospel Hymnody & "Pub Songs": How 19th-century revivalist music, jaunty 3:1 rhythms, and slow harmonic changes reshaped Latter-day Saint worship—and why British and Welsh members initially dismissed these upbeat tunes as mere "pub songs."The "Alleged" New Hymnbook: Michael's insider perspective on the monumental process of revising the Church's hymnbook, the tension between British Anglican choral aspirations and eclectic multilingual expansion, and what really happens behind closed doors when committee selections are presented to the Quorum of the Twelve.President Kimball's Secret Record Collection: The funny and heartwarming story of how Michael acquired Spencer W. Kimball's personal vinyl and 78 RPM record collection—complete with the prophet's red-inked initials over his son's name—and ended up handwriting a certificate of authenticity on a fast-food receipt for two shocked British shoppers at Deseret Industries.Resources Mentioned:• Website: Visit Michael Hicks' official site for his full catalogue of music, articles, and scholarly work:https://michaelhicks.org• Book (Print/eBook): "Spencer Kimball's Record Collection: Essays on Mormon Music" by Michael Hicks (Signature Books):https://www.signaturebooks.com/books/p/spencer-kimballs-record-collection• Audiobook: "Spencer Kimball's Record Collection" (Audible Edition, narrated by Michael Hicks):https://www.audible.com/pd/Spencer-Kimballs-Record-Collection-Audiobook/B08N6WX14P• Scholarly Article: "What Hymns Early Mormons Sang and How They Sang Them" by Michael Hicks (BYU Studies):https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/what-hymns-early-mormons-sang-and-how-they-sang-themFollow For All The Saints on social media for updates and inspiring content:www.instagram.com/forallthesaintspodhttps://www.facebook.com/forallthesaintspod/For All The Saints episodes are released every Monday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts and more:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVDUQg_qZIU&list=UULFFf7vzrJ2LNWmp1Kl-c6K9Qhttps://open.spotify.com/show/3j64txm9qbGVVZOM48P4HS?si=bb31d048e05141f2https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/for-all-the-saints/id1703815271If you have feedback or any suggestions for topics or guests, connect with Ben & Sean via hello@forallthesaints.org or DM on InstagramConversations to Refresh Your Faith.

On this episode Tom Bennett joins me again as we sit down and have a conversation about unity and brotherhood. Ourconversation starts off by discussing how various groups in the Restoration share common roots and core beliefs despite their differences, citing examples of growing fellowship for believers in the 1886 meeting. The conversation then shifted to explore what it means to be "of one heart and one mind" according to scripture, and how Zion-like unity requires love and friendship even among those with different doctrines rather than uniform beliefs. We then talked about practical reasons for fundamentalists to build cross-group relationships, including potential future needs and events. Finaly, we wrap it all up by talking about how friendship is a fundamental principle of Mormonism, using Joseph Smith's teachings and examples, and what each of us can do to helpfoster a better sense of unity among their families and communities. RestoredVersion Of The Scriptureswww.restoredscriptures.com

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On this episode of Mormonism Live, we sit down with Rachelle and John Moyer, the creators behind “Ex-Mormon: The Musical,” to talk about how the project came together, what inspired the songs, and why music can be such a powerful way to process faith, identity, loss, humor, and life after Mormonism. We'll dig into the story behind the album, the creative process of turning the ex-Mormon experience into a musical, and some of the themes woven throughout the soundtrack. We'll also play and discuss several of the songs along the way. Whether you've left Mormonism, are questioning, still believe, or simply appreciate clever songwriting about complicated human experiences, this should be a fun and fascinating conversation about what happens when religious deconstruction meets musical theater. Listen to “Ex-Mormon: The Musical (Original Musical Soundtrack)” on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/4OxkzS1jbuwicBjZkGw2TS Join us as we talk with Rachelle and John Moyer about the humor, pain, creativity, and lived experience behind Ex-Mormon: The Musical. #ExMormon #ExMormonMusical #MormonismLive #Mormon #LDS #FaithTransition #ReligiousDeconstruction #PostMormon #MormonStories #musicaltheatre Ex-Mormon The musicalhttps://JosephSmith.com/https://exmormonsoundtrack.com/ John’s comedy Showshttps://johnmoyer.com/tickets

Send me a DM here (it doesn't let me respond), OR email me: imagineabetterworld2020@gmail.comToday I'm so honored to introduce you all to: Outspoken whistleblower and public witness raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, online personality and content creator, podcast host and podcaster, independent researcher and reporter, theological topic and historical Mormon doctrine debater, and a fierce force to be reckoned with in exposing systemic and institutional ritual abuse: Latter-Day ChadA little bit about our guest and the themes you can expect to hear about on today's show: Raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Chad found Sunday meetings uninteresting as a teenager and stopped attending at 14 once he could choose. That changed around age 22. Synchronicities he could not explain, dreams that came true—including one of a classmate who died exactly as foreseen less than two weeks later—and a growing fascination with early Mormon teachings pulled him back. He began studying Joseph Smith's words, the Book of Mormon's warnings about secret combinations, and the occult beliefs of elites. What started as Instagram memes under the name Latter-Day Chad evolved into a fearless public witness.He describes himself as a believing Mormon who is also “very controversial.” He loves the Book of Mormon's cosmology yet refuses to stay silent when its own prophecies about infiltration and corruption appear to be unfolding. He points to the “LDS Church of Satan,” a group described in victim statements as using Mormon theology while serving Lucifer, pretending to be ordinary members while seeking power in Utah government and the Church. Central figures in the story he has documented include advertising executive Gordon Bowen - called by some the “Mormon Epstein” - former therapist David Hamblin, and former Utah prosecutor David Levitt. Hamblin's daughters alleged ritual abuse, trafficking to powerful people, and a role for Bowen as “the Punisher.” An on-tape conversation captured Hamblin discussing personality-splitting methods consistent with trauma-based mind control. Court documents from Bowen's divorce include journal entries describing voices, ritual themes, and writings he acknowledged but claimed not to remember. The investigation known as Operation See No Evil was shut down despite recorded admissions and agents who believed the case had high likelihood of guilt. Utah media stayed quiet. Church-connected lawyers and officials closed ranks.Chad did not treat this as abstract history. He went to the Church Office Building with questions about Bowen's role in the Salt Lake Temple open house and his friendships with apostles. Security trespassed him and the video recording went viral. Influencers who once welcomed his apologetic content turned on him, spreading rumors and pressuring platforms. His temple recommend was revoked after he spoke about ritual abuse. He was informed a membership council was coming and that excommunication was likely because he would not recant. He has said he is willing to “fall on that sword” because he believes the Lord asked him to expose what the scriptures call secret combinations. The personal cost has been high. Yet Chad frames his work as advocacy for survivors whose stories were buried by institutional self-protection. He has independently verified details through people who know victims and the accused. He ends many messages the same way: expose the hidden works of darkness, scatter the watchmen who fell asleep, and pray with the conviction that what is asked in faith will happen.Latter-Day Chad is not a polished institution man. He is a young believer who grew tired of fairy-tale religion and decided the scriptures meant what they said. He has been trespassed, tracked, slandered, and threatened with expulsion from the very community whose founding texts he is trying to honor. In doing so he has given a voice to survivors whose cases never reached a courtroom and has forced a conversation many would rather bury. Whether one accepts every connection he draws or not, his willingness to stand in the open when others chose silence is rare. He has asked people across faith lines to set theology aside long enough to look at the evidence and demand accountability. In an age of institutional insulation, that kind of stubborn, scripture-rooted courage is itself a form of light. He continues the work because, in his words, the day of vengeance begins at the Lord's house - and someone has to be willing to say so out loud.

We crack open an all-missionary mailbag with letters from the Philippines, Cincinnati, and beyond. Then the big question: was Cincinnati really cursed by Joseph Smith? We dig into D&C 61, trace how "well nigh ripened for destruction" shifted across the manuscript versions, and follow Orson F. Whitney's later meetinghouse dedication, settling the folklore with actual sources (plus a spirited defense of five-way chili).    A tender Yom Kippur reflection on grace we don't deserve gives way to the 1831 Lockport Balance's "Gold Bible" hit piece, where an over/under on "Joe" mentions reveals how casually, and confidently, falsehoods get printed.   Broadcasting from Medellín, Pablo Escobar's 200 feral hippos and all   If you are interested in joining us in 2027 in Palmyra and Kirtland, August 1st through August 7th, click on the link below and reserve your spot: https://pci.jotform.com/form/261567888174171   Sign up for our free monthly email: ⁠ ⁠⁠https://standardoftruthpodcast.substack.com⁠⁠ (https://standardoftruthpodcast.substack.com/)   If you have any questions or possible topics of discussion for upcoming podcasts, please email us at: ⁠⁠questions@standardoftruthpodcast.com

In this episode, we continue examining Brigham Young's life and his increasingly central role in the development of early Mormon polygamy. Join us as we discuss John Turner's book “Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet” with John Turner himself. Today we are discussing the chapter “The New and Everlasting Covenant.”After returning from his mission to Britain, Brigham Young encounters a Mormon movement undergoing dramatic changes. Joseph Smith is deeply involved in plural marriage, John C. Bennett's scandal begins to expose the complicated sexual and religious world developing in Nauvoo, and Brigham himself moves from uncertainty to becoming one of polygamy's most prominent advocates. We examine the controversial story of Martha Brothertone, Brigham Young's plural marriages and polyandrous relationships, his relationship with Joseph Smith, and the dynastic ambitions that connected plural marriage to Mormonism's highest leaders. We also look at Brigham's role in introducing Hyrum Smith to plural marriage and the enormous power differential created when these relationships were presented as commands from God. Finally, we turn to the death of Joseph Smith and the question of succession. Who would have succeeded Joseph if both Joseph and Hyrum had survived? Why wasn't Brigham Young immediately recognized as Joseph's successor? And how did the events surrounding Joseph's death set the stage for the eventual rise of Brigham Young? ___________________YouTubeAt Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals.  Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions

Porter was more than a legendary frontiersman and lawman. He was a close friend of Joseph Smith, a protector of the Prophet, and a man whose life was deeply shaped by the events surrounding Joseph's death. In June 1844, Porter helped Joseph and Hyrum cross the Mississippi River as they sought to avoid arrest. When Joseph decided to return to Nauvoo and face the authorities, Porter accompanied him part of the way toward Carthage. Joseph ultimately asked him to return to Nauvoo, concerned for his safety. It was the last time Porter saw Joseph alive.Porter's battle cry was, "Wheat! Wheat! Wheat!"The episode also examines one of the most striking and controversial events in Porter's life: the shooting of Franklin A. Worrell on September 16, 1845, in Hancock County, Illinois. Worrell had been a lieutenant in the Carthage Greys and had previously guarded the jail where Joseph and Hyrum were killed. Porter was serving as a deputy under Sheriff Jacob Backenstos when he shot Worrell during a confrontation involving the sheriff. The circumstances, competing accounts, and questions surrounding the shooting make this a fascinating moment in the aftermath of the martyrdom. We'll also explore Porter's famous statement about Joseph: “When they killed Joseph, they killed the only friend I ever had.” What did Joseph mean to Porter? How did the martyrdom shape his life? And what can we learn about the man behind the legend?Join Scott and Casey as they explore the loyalty, courage, controversy, and enduring legacy of Porter Rockwell.Watch, like, and subscribe to Church History Matters for more stories from the history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.#PorterRockwell #JosephSmith #ChurchHistoryMatters #LDSHistory #CarthageJail #MormonHistory

The episode delves into the translation claims of Joseph Smith, focusing on the Book of Abraham and the challenges of comparing the English translation with the surviving Egyptian material. It also explores the concept of continuing revelation in Mormonism and the difficulties of reconciling past teachings with present beliefs. The episode concludes with an examination of the Great Apostasy and the claim that Christ's church and its authority were lost from the earth. The conversation explores the LDS framework and its theological differences with historic Christianity. It delves into the nature of God, the identity of Jesus Christ, and the concept of salvation and exaltation in Mormonism. The conversation delves into the comparison between Mormonism and the New Testament, exploring the role of grace, ordinances, and priesthood authority. It also addresses the significance of spiritual experiences and the pursuit of truth.TakeawaysTranslation ChallengesContinuing RevelationProphetic AuthorityThe Great Apostasy LDS framework differs from historic ChristianityNature of God and Jesus Christ are central points of divergenceSalvation and exaltation are distinct concepts in LDS theology Grace vs. WorksThe Role of Spiritual ExperiencesThe Pursuit of TruthChapters00:00 The Book of Abraham and Translation Challenges02:21 Continuing Revelation and Prophetic Authority05:15 The Book of Abraham: Source Material and Translation36:38 The Great Apostasy and Christ's Church40:28 The LDS Great Apostasy53:39 The Nature of God and Jesus Christ01:18:17 Salvation and Exaltation in Mormonism01:21:09 Grace vs. Works01:36:46 The Role of Spiritual Experiences01:48:57 The Pursuit of Truth

Where did Joseph Smith get the idea of temples? It sounds like a simple question, but historian John Hamer’s answer stretches from the Bible to a domed assembly hall in Independence, Missouri, and includes a temple that was called for by revelation, designed by an architect, and never built. In this first conversation of his return to Gospel Tangents, John, a Community of Christ Seventy and co-editor of Scattering of the Saints: Schism Within Mormonism, walks me through the building blocks. https://youtu.be/1r98tnUC5Q4 Don't miss our other conversations with John: https://gospeltangents.com/people/john-hamer/ Copyright © 2026 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved   John starts with the Bible. Solomon’s temple is only one model, he explains. The New Testament offers another: the idea that the new covenant fulfilled the old, along with the gatherings of the early Christians in the Book of Acts. That second vision, he says, shaped the Kirtland Temple, a building of stacked assembly halls, and it became the model for Community of Christ’s understanding of temples ever after. When Community of Christ members regathered in Jackson County, Missouri, they wanted a temple on that Kirtland model. What they built, John argues, was Frederick Madison Smith’s Auditorium, a massive assembly hall that he sees as a 20th-century version of the Kirtland Temple in everything but name. He points to a published drawing of Joseph Smith III’s temple vision, which looks like the Auditorium with steeples added, and notes that the Auditorium was built without them. Then the story turns. Smith’s assertion of church authority sparked a schism, and a couple thousand members moved to the Temple Lot church, the Hedrickites. Their own temple plans carried the same Kirtland DNA. Otto Fetting’s revelations called for a temple, and an architect gave it a front like a Greek temple, or a bank, and a long, thin plan with one assembly hall stacked atop another. It was never built. The Depression hit, Fetting was pushed out of the church, and the diggers had to fill in the hole they had started. Restoration Groups Idea of Temples Splinter groups from Community of Christ have echoed the pattern since. John describes the Remnant Church’s headquarters in an old high school across from the Temple Lot, with an inner room of Kirtland-style pulpits and a planned community center with a Kirtland-like exterior that was never built. When he asked its president whether that was a temple, the answer was no. Then the conversation moves to Nauvoo, where something new enters. The Nauvoo temple began with Kirtland-style assembly halls but added a basin in the basement resting on oxen, drawn from Solomon’s temple. John connects that shift to the Old Testament practices Joseph Smith was restoring, including plural marriage, and to Freemasonry, whose traditions claim a lineage back to Solomon’s temple. That Nauvoo model, he says, went on to shape the other branches. Together, these threads show two rival visions of what a temple is: the Kirtland idea of a place of assembly, and the Nauvoo idea of an Old Testament-style house of ordinances. This first conversation of the six-part series lays out that fork in the road. Next, in part 2, John turns to the Endowment House and fundamentalist temples, including a pyramid-shaped temple in Utah and a temple whose dome ceiling turns into the night sky. Listen to the full conversation wherever you get your podcasts. Chapters 0:00 Welcome John Hamer 4:04 Where Did Joseph Smith Get the Idea of Temples? 7:22 Zion, Jackson County & Plans for 24 Temples 13:14 Kirtland as the Model for Community of Christ 14:00 The Auditorium: A Temple in Disguise? 16:44 Frederick M. Smith, the Schism & the Temple Lot Church 17:57 Otto Fetting’s Unbuilt Temple: The Hedrickite Plan 21:04 The Remnant Church Headquarters: Kirtland-Style Pulpits 22:20 Nauvoo: Solomon’s Temple, the Oxen & Freemasonry 24:32 What’s Next? Don't miss our other conversations with John: https://gospeltangents.com/people/john-hamer/ Copyright © 2026 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

Text: Isaiah chapters 40 – 55; 2 Kings chapters 18 – 19; Chronicles chapters 29 – 32;  3rd Nephi chapters 21 – 27 relating to Isaiah. Supplemental Text: The Fourth Thousand Years chapters 20-21 BYU Lecture 40  Once the Bible reader grasps the scope of Isaiah's prophesies he cannot help being amazed at the vast, encyclopedia of foreknowledge which the Lord entrusted to this one man. Isaiah was one of those who knew a great deal about today and our marvelous age of miracles, along with the devastating disasters which could summarily sweep us into oblivion if we fail to do our part. In some ways, Isaiah knew us better than we know ourselves. For Israel, Isaiah proclaimed his message of pleading and warning for more than 20 years before Israel fell to Babylon in 721 BC. He denounced violence, immorality and dishonesty of the people calling them to repentance. Isaiah must have been delighted when the 25 year old son of Ahaz named Hezekiah, became the new king. His first task was to repair, sanctify and re-dedicate the temple which his father ransacked and defiled. Soon, the people began to follow Hezekiah's lead and began to repent. After destroying the northern 10 tribes of Israel, Assyria storms down through Judah and threatens to destroy Jerusalem. In preparation for this war and siege, Hezekiah carves the famous water tunnel through limestone rock. Isaiah prophesies that God will save Jerusalem and send a blast upon the mighty Assyrian army. When the king of Assyria arose in the morning, he found 185,000 of his soldiers dead. He abandons his war plans and flees back to Ninevah. As prophesied by Isaiah, Babylon conquers Assyria and then destroys Jerusalem in 721 BC, devastating the temple, community and city walls. In 539 BC, Babylon is conquered by Cyrus of Persia, also prophesied by Isaiah, even by name. He also prophesied of the coming of Christ, of America, Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon (stick of Joseph), the restoration of the gospel, latter-day temples and the second coming of Jesus Christ. The discovery of America by Columbus is discussed and the many white Nephite people found alive as noted in his diary. Also discussed is the unfortunate mass slaughter of the indigenous people by well-meaning Catholic priests under the leadership of Cortez and Pizzaro; all prophesied by Nephi.

What happens when a rapidly expanding global religion, a massive financial empire, golden plates, the Garden of Eden in Missouri, Egyptian mummies, and six-foot-tall Quaker-dressed moonmen all become part of the same story?In this episode of the **Mormon News Roundup**, we take a journey through some of the most extraordinary claims and teachings associated with the early history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.We examine:• The enormous financial scale of the modern church and questions surrounding financial transparency• Church membership growth and the missionary system• Joseph Smith's seer stone and the origins of the Book of Mormon• The Hill Cumorah and the story of the golden plates• Claims connecting Missouri to the Garden of Eden and Adam's altar• Joseph Smith's examination of Egyptian mummies and papyri• Teachings about Abraham and Joseph of Egypt• The reported belief in six-foot-tall, Quaker-dressed inhabitants of the Moon• Brigham Young's statements about life on the Sun• The doctrine of a Great Apostasy and the claim that other churches were in error• The broader question of how these extraordinary claims fit together into the church's worldviewThe episode ultimately asks a provocative question: **Is this divine truth—or one of the most successful examples of imaginative worldbuilding in American religious history?**Welcome to another episode of the **Mormon News Roundup**.#MormonNewsRoundup #Mormonism #LDS #JosephSmith #BookOfMormon #BrighamYoung #MormonHistory #ExMormonPlease consider making a donation by joining our Patreon https://www.patreon.com/MormonNewsRoundup Email: kolob@mormonnewsroundup.org Website: https://mormonnewsroundup.org/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonnewsroundup Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormon_news_roundup/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100093511869924 X: https://twitter.com/NewsMormon New episodes LIVE every Sunday and Monday nights at 9:30PM ESTPlease like and subscribe and hit the notifications bell. Remember remember, no unhallowed hand can stop this podcast from progressing!The Mormon News Roundup is NOT affilated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

In Part Two of our history of tithing, we examine how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has defined tithing over time –and whether the modern expectation to pay 10% of income actually matches the historical revelation given to Joseph Smith. The 1838 revelation on tithing instructed members to give a tenth of their “surplus” property and subsequently a tenth of their “interest” annually. But what did those words mean in the 19th century? Did “interest” mean all income, or did it refer to increase or profit after expenses were paid? We also examine the question of who gets to determine what constitutes “surplus” or “interest,” how tithing affects low-income members differently from wealthy members, and how the modern interpretation developed –particularly through the First Presidency's 1970 letter and subsequent Church teachings.From there, we explore the four specific purposes for which tithing was originally given, including building temples, laying the foundation of Zion, supporting the priesthood, and other charitable or religious purposes. We compare those purposes with how the Church uses tithing today and ask whether the original reasons for the law have actually been fulfilled. The discussion also looks at teachings from Brigham Young Junior, Lorenzo Snow, David A. Bendar, Russell M. Nelson, Elder Holland, Elder Packer, Elder Becerra, and others, including the increasingly strict expectation that members pay tithing even when doing so creates financial hardship or debt. This episodes asks a broader question about the relationship between scripture, revelation, historical context, and modern institutional policy: If the original revelation from the Lord says “surplus” and “interest,” when –and why –did that become a requirement to pay 10% of one's entire income to the Church? LDS Discussions examines the historical and doctrinal claims of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints using primary sources, historical documents, and critical analysis.___________________YouTubeAt Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals.  Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions

In Part Two of our history of tithing, we examine how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has defined tithing over time –and whether the modern expectation to pay 10% of income actually matches the historical revelation given to Joseph Smith. The 1838 revelation on tithing instructed members to give a tenth of their “surplus” property and subsequently a tenth of their “interest” annually. But what did those words mean in the 19th century? Did “interest” mean all income, or did it refer to increase or profit after expenses were paid? We also examine the question of who gets to determine what constitutes “surplus” or “interest,” how tithing affects low-income members differently from wealthy members, and how the modern interpretation developed –particularly through the First Presidency's 1970 letter and subsequent Church teachings.From there, we explore the four specific purposes for which tithing was originally given, including building temples, laying the foundation of Zion, supporting the priesthood, and other charitable or religious purposes. We compare those purposes with how the Church uses tithing today and ask whether the original reasons for the law have actually been fulfilled. The discussion also looks at teachings from Brigham Young Junior, Lorenzo Snow, David A. Bendar, Russell M. Nelson, Elder Holland, Elder Packer, Elder Becerra, and others, including the increasingly strict expectation that members pay tithing even when doing so creates financial hardship or debt. This episodes asks a broader question about the relationship between scripture, revelation, historical context, and modern institutional policy: If the original revelation from the Lord says “surplus” and “interest,” when –and why –did that become a requirement to pay 10% of one's entire income to the Church? LDS Discussions examines the historical and doctrinal claims of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints using primary sources, historical documents, and critical analysis.Show NotesYouTubeMormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:One-time or recurring donation through DonorboxSupport us on PatreonPayPalVenmoOur Platforms:YouTubePatreonSpotifyApple PodcastsContact us:MormonStories@gmail.comPO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117Social Media:Insta: @mormstoriesTikTok: @mormonstoriespodcastJoin the Discord

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In this episode, Brad Wampler explores the claims of Mormonism and the process of testing its truth. He emphasizes the importance of understanding Mormonism's claims before evaluating its truth. The episode delves into the testing of the First Vision, Joseph Smith's use of seer stones, and the evaluation of Joseph Smith's prophecies, highlighting the complexity of evaluating a prophet's claims and the significance of examining the Book of Mormon as a tangible source of investigation. The conversation delves into the witnesses of the Book of Mormon, the challenges posed by archaeology, and the implications of DNA evidence. The witnesses provide evidence of the physical existence of the Book of Mormon, while archaeology and DNA present challenges to its historical claims. The conversation methodically examines the influence of the King James Bible on the Book of Mormon, highlighting textual problems and the translation of an ancient record. It delves into the Book of Mormon's interaction with Isaiah, the issue of Deutero Isaiah and chronological problems, the appearance of New Testament language in the Book of Mormon, and the presence of King James translation errors.TakeawaysUnderstanding the claims of Mormonism is essential for testing its truth.The standard for evaluating a prophet's claims goes beyond the accuracy of predictions. Witnesses of the Book of Mormon provide evidence of its physical existence.Archaeology and DNA present challenges to the historical claims of the Book of Mormon. King James Bible InfluenceTextual ProblemsAncient Record TranslationChapters00:00 Understanding Mormonism's Claims08:46 Testing the First Vision19:20 Joseph Smith's Use of Seer Stones28:02 Evaluating Joseph Smith's Prophecies44:47 The Witnesses of the Book of Mormon52:56 Archaeology and the Book of Mormon01:13:23 DNA and the Book of Mormon01:32:22 The Book of Mormon and Isaiah01:32:40 Deutero Isaiah and Chronological Problems01:42:24 New Testament Language in the Book of Mormon01:53:02 King James Translation Errors

Mormon apologists often place the blame on those who question their faith or express doubts, suggesting that the problem is not with the difficult historical issues themselves, but with the people who raise them.In this video, we examine a 2012 presentation by Scott Gordon, president of the Mormon apologetic organization FAIR, at Utah Valley University. Gordon presents two lists of references that he claims demonstrate that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been open and transparent about Joseph Smith's practice of plural marriage and the Book of Mormon translation method — specifically, the use of a rock in a hat.But do these lists actually demonstrate transparency? Or do they simply create the appearance of openness while avoiding the deeper questions surrounding these controversial aspects of church history?Join me as we analyze the claims, examine the evidence, and explore whether apologetic responses truly address the concerns raised by historians, researchers, and former believers.Original presentation discussed:[https://youtu.be/EReUoXIesMI?is=D_45eJMRnhUdv-DN](https://youtu.be/EReUoXIesMI?is=D_45eJMRnhUdv-DN)Check out Flackerman's channel here:[https://www.youtube.com/@FlackerMan](https://www.youtube.com/@FlackerMan)#Mormonism #LDS #ChurchHistory #JosephSmith #MormonApologetics #FAIRLDS #BookOfMormon #ExMormonPlease consider making a donation by joining our Patreon https://www.patreon.com/MormonNewsRoundup Email: kolob@mormonnewsroundup.org Website: https://mormonnewsroundup.org/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonnewsroundup Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormon_news_roundup/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100093511869924 X: https://twitter.com/NewsMormon New episodes LIVE every Sunday and Monday nights at 9:30PM ESTPlease like and subscribe and hit the notifications bell. Remember remember, no unhallowed hand can stop this podcast from progressing!The Mormon News Roundup is NOT affilated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

→ Watch on YouTube → Detailed Show Notes (00:00) Isaiah lived in the 8th century, a time that began in relative peace but later led to great destruction under the conquest of the Assyrian empire, which destroyed the northern kingdom of Israel. Isaiah was an advisor to several kings and lived about 100 years before Nephi. Micah, Amos, and Hosea are contemporaries of Isaiah.(10:52) Jesus quoted Isaiah and encouraged the Nephites to study his words. Isaiah was the most quoted prophet among the New Testament authors, and his works were important to the Qumran community.(13:02) Ways to enhance your study of Isaiah.(20:28) A brief overview of the entire book of Isaiah.(23:13) A brief overview of chapters 1-12.(25:31) The Israelites are described as apostate and rebellious. The Lord asks that they “reason together,” saying that “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow.”(31:53) Isaiah uses metals as a metaphor for people. When he describes the silver as dross, this could carry different meanings. Isaiah stresses that “a remnant will return.” Isaiah 1 reflects the destruction enacted by the Assyrians.(40:07) Isaiah sees the future latter-day temple in the tops of the mountains. The temple established in Jerusalem represents the millennial hope of peace. He prophesies that the idols people worship will be cast into caves, to the moles and the bats.(45:39) The daughters of Zion are cursed and tormented for their worldliness. Isaiah discusses three missing objects: the staff, clothing, and the bread. These items can be associated with the temple in Isaiah's day.(54:33) The parable of the vineyard portrays several ways the Lord will bless us when we follow him.(1:09:15) Isaiah sees the Lord and is called as a prophet.(1:15:13) Isaiah is commanded to “Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.”(1:21:32) Political intrigue and foreign policy issues facilitate Isaiah's prophecy of three special children.(1:33:40) The Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. The King of Assyria is going to be destroyed, just as he destroyed other nations.(1:36:49) The procession of Assyria's forces approaching Jerusalem is illustrated. The remnant of Jacob will return in the last days.(1:39:50) Isaiah sees a tree cut down, leaving only a stump. Though this tree seems dead, Isaiah sees that it will come back to life and a new tree will grow out of the stump. The prophet Joseph Smith has a prominent role in the rebuilding of the tree.(1:42:54) Isaiah sees that peace and order will be restored in the millennial day and that broken things will be healed. → For more of Bryce Dunford’s podcast classes, click here. → Enroll in Institute → YouTube → Apple Podcasts → Spotify → Amazon Music → Facebook The post Ep 389 | Isaiah 1-12, Come Follow Me 2026 (Sept 14-20) appeared first on Talking Scripture.

Join us for an incredible cruise with amazing spiritual momentum where you hear from Elaine Dalton, myself, Jasen Wade, Kirby Heyborne, Jenny Oaks Baker, Nathan Pacheco, and more. During July you can get $250 off for the second person, and $50 of for each person with the discount code KERRY. Go to https://www.goanddotravel.com/momentu... and join right away!Join us for fantastic content on our Patreon website: / enlightenedgeedu . This week on Patreon Kerry will help you develop more skills in understanding Isaiah. He will help you understand elements of chapters you have always wondered about and have probably misunderstood.In this episode Kerry and Dr. Kent Jackson explore how to understand poetry in the Old Testament so that you can get more out of Isaiah. This will be a key to helping you get more out of Isaiah. Then Kerry discusses Isaiah chapter 1 and how it is a preface that is designed to prepare you for the entire book. It is set in a specific historical context at the time of the near destruction of Jerusalem, and Kerry helps you see what it has to teach you about Isaiah and about yourself and your relationship with God. He also teaches a bit about multiple fulfillment prophecies and how historical context can help you understand Isaiah. Then Kerry and Dr. John Howell discuss Isaiah's call in Isaiah 6 and the symbols that bring that story to life. Then Kerry and Shon Hopkin talk about Isaiah 11 and what we can learn about it from Joseph Smith's revelations, but also what we can learn about it from the traditional Christian interpretation and how they work together and how they teach us about Christ and about the Restoration and the great work we are invovled in.We are grateful for our executive producers, P. Franzen, J. Parke, D. Watson, B. Van Blerkom, the Dawsons, M. Cannon, M. Rosema, B. Fisher, J. Beardall, D. Anderson, M. Zitar, J. Edwards, A. Dixon, T. Cottrell, and H. Umphlett, and for all our generous and loyal donors. We are also very grateful for all our Patreon members. We are so thankful for Beehive Broadcast for producing the podcast and for Rich Nicholls, who composed and plays the music for the podcast.

Are there echoes of Book of Mormon & Revolutionary War? When we talk about the relationship between early Mormonism and Native American communities, the conversation usually runs in one direction: how indigenous traditions may have influenced Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. But in this segment of our conversation with Dr. Thomas Murphy, author of Unsettling Scripture: Iroquois and the Book of Mormon, we explore something far less discussed — how Haudenosaunee communities weren’t just absorbing outside religious ideas, they were producing scriptural traditions of their own. https://youtu.be/5H7qSRgK5lc At the center of this discussion is the Seneca prophet Handsome Lake, who in the early 1800s developed a body of teachings — now known as the Code of Handsome Lake — blending traditional Haudenosaunee spirituality with elements adapted from the Christian missionaries who were increasingly present in Native communities at the time. Murphy argues that Handsome Lake’s movement deserves to be understood on its own terms: not simply as a reaction to Christianity, but as a genuine act of religious innovation, produced by Native leaders navigating a rapidly changing world. It’s a reminder that the flow of religious ideas during this period wasn’t one-directional, and that Native communities were active shapers of their own spiritual futures, not passive recipients of outside influence. From there, Murphy turns to something that surprises many readers: possible echoes of Onondaga language, geography, or tradition embedded within the Book of Mormon text itself. While these connections remain a matter of scholarly debate, Murphy lays out why he believes they deserve more serious attention than they’ve typically received, especially given the documented presence of Haudenosaunee students and communities in and around the Smith family’s world in upstate New York. Book of Mormon & Revolutionary War The conversation then shifts to a period most listeners will recognize from American history class, but rarely connect to Mormon origins: the Revolutionary War. Murphy highlights the often-overlooked role of the Oneida Nation, one of the few Haudenosaunee nations to formally ally with the American colonists during the war, and explores why this alliance — and its long-term consequences — matters for understanding the world the Smith family grew up in decades later. It’s a piece of history that rarely gets mentioned in conversations about the Book of Mormon’s origins, but Murphy argues it shouldn’t be treated as a footnote. Taken together, this segment challenges listeners to think about the relationship between Native American history and early Mormonism as something more complicated — and more mutual — than a simple story of influence flowing in one direction. Murphy’s research suggests a much richer, messier picture: one where Native nations were simultaneously responding to colonization, encountering Christianity, allying with revolutionary movements, and building their own theological frameworks, all while living in close proximity to the very family that would go on to produce the Book of Mormon. This is part 3 of our 4-part series with Dr. Thomas Murphy. In our previous segments, we covered his background and the controversial DNA research that first made him a controversial figure within LDS scholarship, along with the Dartmouth/Moor’s Charity School connection between the Smith family and Haudenosaunee students. In our next and final segment, Murphy tackles perhaps the biggest question of all: can the Book of Mormon be both fiction and scripture at the same time? Listen to the full conversation wherever you get your podcasts. Don't miss our other conversations with Thomas: https://gospeltangents.com/people/thomas-murphy/ Copyright © 2026 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Check out a transcript of the interview on Amazon. 1:21 – Indigenous Response to Christianity & Handsome Lake’s Visions 6:36 – Jesus in Haudenosaunee Tradition & Comparison with King Lamoni 9:40 – Three Nephites, Four Thunders & Joseph Smith’s Christianization 12:01 – Zelph, Onondagas & Giants 16:17 – Oneidas, Lafayette & the Book of Mormon as Revolutionary War Allegory 19:07 – Amalickiah & Ammoron as Sir William Johnson & Joseph Brant

Liberty Troll is a First Amendment auditor who puts constitutional rights to the test by recording in public spaces and seeing how people respond.In this highlight video, Liberty Troll visits a Mormon church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) in Florida and encounters a wide range of reactions. Some Latter-day Saints ignore him, while others engage in surprisingly respectful conversations about faith, freedom, and constitutional rights.Things get especially interesting when church members explain why they believe in the truthfulness of Joseph Smith's restored gospel — including conversations about the history of polygamy.And then the big question… did someone call the police on Liberty Troll once again?This brief highlight compilation captures some of the most entertaining moments from the original video, including a self-described “Karen” who claims the camera is “scary” and even attempts to grab it.Watch the full original Liberty Troll video here:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGgNxVL9hAk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGgNxVL9hAk)Let us know in the comments: **How do you think everyone handled this First Amendment audit?**#LibertyTroll #FirstAmendmentAudit #Mormon #LDS #JosephSmith #FreedomOfSpeech #ConstitutionalRights #AuditorPlease consider making a donation by joining our Patreon https://www.patreon.com/MormonNewsRoundup Email: kolob@mormonnewsroundup.org Website: https://mormonnewsroundup.org/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonnewsroundup Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormon_news_roundup/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100093511869924 X: https://twitter.com/NewsMormon New episodes LIVE every Sunday and Monday nights at 9:30PM ESTPlease like and subscribe and hit the notifications bell. Remember remember, no unhallowed hand can stop this podcast from progressing!The Mormon News Roundup is NOT affilated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The heart of the episode is a Lyceum dive into a March 16, 1841 discourse of Joseph Smith on the Second Coming and the Millennium. Joseph taught that the wicked won't all be destroyed at Christ's coming, that non-members will remain through the Millennium, and that Christ will come and go rather than reside on earth continuously. We trace how Brigham Young echoed these ideas in Civil War-era sermons, contrast pre-, post-, and amillennial views, and close on the expansive, near-universal scope of salvation in Latter-day Saint theology.   We also talk about college football, the perils of a name like "Kjersta," and the news that Richard's son (Elder Parker LeDuc) finally requested podcast access after 34 days in the Mexico MTC (while Kai skips the overbooked Philippine MTC entirely and heads straight to the field).    If you are interested in joining us in 2027 in Palmyra and Kirtland, August 1st through August 7th, click on the link below and reserve your spot: https://pci.jotform.com/form/261567888174171   Sign up for our free monthly email: ⁠ ⁠⁠https://standardoftruthpodcast.substack.com⁠⁠ (https://standardoftruthpodcast.substack.com/)   If you have any questions or possible topics of discussion for upcoming podcasts, please email us at: ⁠⁠questions@standardoftruthpodcast.com

Did Native Americans use seer stones? What if the roots of the Book of Mormon’s narrative trace back not just to revelation, but to a classroom? Book of Mormon Ties to Darmouth? In this second part of our conversation with anthropologist Dr. Thomas Murphy, we explore a detail of Smith family history that rarely gets discussed: Hyrum Smith’s education at Dartmouth’s Moor’s Indian Charity School, where he studied alongside Haudenosaunee students. It’s a small historical fact with potentially large implications for how we understand the origins of the Book of Mormon. https://youtu.be/9nNErpiSeb8 Don't miss our other conversations with Thomas: https://gospeltangents.com/people/thomas-murphy/ Copyright © 2026 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Check out a transcript of the interview on Amazon. Shared Classroom, A Shared World Moor’s Charity School was founded with the explicit purpose of educating Native American students alongside colonial settlers. Hyrum Smith — Joseph Smith’s own brother — sat in classrooms with Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) peers! This raises a compelling question: how much of the cultural and spiritual knowledge exchanged in that setting might have made its way, directly or indirectly, into the Smith family’s later religious project? Murphy doesn’t claim to have all the answers, but he makes a compelling case that this connection deserves far more attention than it has historically received. Seer Stones and the Zelph Story Zelph was a supposed ancient warrior whose bones Joseph Smith claimed to have identified during Zion’s Camp. Murphy examines whether these practices and stories reflect genuine Native American spiritual traditions, Mormon religious innovation, or some blend of both — a question that sits at the heart of his broader research. This is part 2 of our multi-part conversation with Dr. Thomas Murphy on his book Unsettling Scripture: Iroquois and the Book of Mormon. Subscribe to Gospel Tangents to follow the rest of the series, where we’ll explore Onondaga and Oneida connections, the ethics of Book of Mormon archaeology, and the long-running Heartland versus Mesoamerica debate. Gospel Tangents is dedicated to exploring Mormon history, science, and theology through in-depth conversations with scholars, historians, and researchers. Chapters 0:00 Dartmouth / Moor’s Indian Charity School Connection 4:00 Cultural Context, Not Plagiarism 9:27 Susquehanna Valley & Indigenous Prophetic Movements 12:20 Seer Stone Divination & Haudenosaunee Parallels 15:58 Catalyst Theory 18:38 Handsome Lake as Parallel Scripture Don't miss our other conversations with Thomas: https://gospeltangents.com/people/thomas-murphy/ Copyright © 2026 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Check out a transcript of the interview on Amazon.

In the second episode of the Brigham Young Podcast, Dr. John Turner –author of Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet –joins us to explore Brigham Young's transformation from a passionate and fiercely loyal follower of Joseph Smith into one of the most important leaders of the early Mormon movement. We follow Brigham through some of the most turbulent years of early Mormon history –from the Kirtland Safety Society and the formation of the Quorum of the Twelve to the Missouri conflict, the Kirtland Temple dedication, and his remarkably successful mission to England.Along the way, we explore Brigham's personality, his spiritual experiences, his practice of speaking (and singing) in tongues, his unwavering loyalty to Joseph Smith, and the growing tensions within the early church. Why did Brigham continue defending Joseph when other prominent leaders were turning against him? And what made Brigham such an effective leader despite not fitting the traditional image of a great preacher? The episode also takes a closer look at one of the most important questions surrounding Brigham Young: What did he know about Joseph Smith's early experiments with plural marriage? We discuss the Fanny Alger controversy, Martha Brotherton's accusations, Brigham's time in England, the question of “proto-polygamy,” and Brigham's later claims about when he learned that plural marriage was divinely commanded. Rather than reducing Brigham Young to either a heroic Mormon prophet or a one-dimensional villain, this series attempts to understand him as a complicated historical figure –deeply  religious, shrewd, ambitious, loyal, sometimes harsh, and increasingly influential.If you wish to donate to support this series, please visit here: https://donorbox.org/brighamyoung___________________Show NotesYouTubeAt Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals.  Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions

September 21: Moroni Day — The Angel, the Prophet, and the Beginning of the Book of MormonWhat happened on the night of September 21, 1823? In this special episode of Church History Matters, Scott Woodward and Casey Griffiths are joined by Scripture Central founder Jack Welch to explore one of the most important dates in Latter-day Saint history: Moroni Day.According to Joseph Smith's accounts, it was on the night of September 21 that the angel Moroni appeared to him and delivered a remarkable message about an ancient record buried in the earth—a record that would eventually become the Book of Mormon.Why did Moroni appear to Joseph Smith? What did Moroni tell him? What can we learn by comparing Joseph Smith's accounts of these events? And why has September 21 become a meaningful day for remembering Moroni and the coming forth of the Book of Mormon?Scott, Casey, and Jack Welch dive into the historical accounts, the significance of Moroni's message, and the remarkable connection between an ancient prophet and the Restoration of the gospel in the latter days.From the Hill Cumorah to the coming forth of the Book of Mormon, this episode explores the story behind one of the foundational events of the Restoration—and why September 21 deserves to be remembered as Moroni Day.Join Scott Woodward, Casey Griffiths, and Jack Welch for this special celebration of Moroni Day and the story of how an ancient record became a modern witness of Jesus Christ.What does Moroni's appearance mean to you? Let us know in the comments!#MoroniDay #September21 #BookOfMormon #Moroni #JosephSmith #ChurchHistory #LatterDaySaints #Restoration #ScriptureCentral #ChurchHistoryMatters

Can rigorous DNA research and religious scripture coexist? Years ago, Murphy’s groundbreaking DNA research directly challenged traditional Book of Mormon claims about Native American origins. It was a stance that put him at odds with his own stake president and nearly cost him his membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. For many in the Mormon studies world, Murphy’s name has been synonymous with that controversy ever since. Now, Murphy returns to Gospel Tangents with something new: his first full-length book, Unsettling Scripture: Iroquois and the Book of Mormon. And this time, the conversation isn’t just about DNA — it’s about history hiding in plain sight. https://youtu.be/NYOCqWRKC6w Don't miss our other conversations with Thomas: https://gospeltangents.com/people/thomas-murphy/ Copyright © 2026 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Check out a transcript of the interview on Amazon. Book of Mormon Connection Few Have Considered Murphy’s central argument in this episode is striking: the Smith family had real, documented contact with Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) communities living near Palmyra, New York, in the years leading up to the Book of Mormon’s publication. Rather than treating the Book of Mormon’s narrative as emerging in a vacuum, Murphy asks what it means that Joseph Smith grew up in close proximity to a living, sophisticated Native nation with its own oral traditions, history, and worldview. It’s a question that doesn’t get asked nearly often enough in Mormon history circles — and Murphy brings decades of anthropological training to bear on it. Why This Conversation Matters Whether your interest lies in: Mormon history and the origins of the Book of Mormon DNA and genealogy research as it intersects with religious claims Native American history, specifically Haudenosaunee/Iroquois communities Or the broader question of how faith and scholarship can coexist — this conversation offers a rare perspective from someone who has spent his career at the intersection of all three. Chapters 0:00 Thomas’s Background in Indigenous Studies/DNA 3:29 DNA Research Impact 8:10 FARMS/FAIR attacks, taking a break from Mormon studies 12:02 Unsettling Scripture Overview 16:31 Parallels between Book of Mormon and Haudenosaunee narratives Watch or Listen to the Full Conversation This is the first of four segments in our conversation with Dr. Thomas Murphy. Subscribe to Gospel Tangents to catch the rest of the series, where we’ll dig into topics ranging from seer stone divination to the ongoing Heartland versus Mesoamerica geography debate. Or you can get the whole episode at Patreon.com/gospeltangents Unsettling Scripture: Iroquois and the Book of Mormon by Dr. Thomas Murphy is available now. Don't miss our other conversations with Thomas: https://gospeltangents.com/people/thomas-murphy/ Copyright © 2026 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Check out a transcript of the interview on Amazon.

Tonight on Mormonism Live, we examine a recurring pattern in Joseph Smith's prophetic career: when he encountered something mysterious, incomplete, inaccessible, or simply unknown, he rarely seemed content to say, “I don't know.” Instead, he supplied an answer—and often an extraordinarily detailed one. A skeleton becomes Zelph, complete with a name, identity, history, and ancient… Read More »How Did Joseph Smith Know All This?

Tonight on Mormonism Live, we examine a recurring pattern in Joseph Smith's prophetic career: when he encountered something mysterious, incomplete, inaccessible, or simply unknown, he rarely seemed content to say, “I don't know.” Instead, he supplied an answer—and often an extraordinarily detailed one. A skeleton becomes Zelph, complete with a name, identity, history, and ancient… Read More »How Did Joseph Smith Know All This? The post How Did Joseph Smith Know All This? appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.

Tonight on Mormonism Live, we examine a recurring pattern in Joseph Smith's prophetic career: when he encountered something mysterious, incomplete, inaccessible, or simply unknown, he rarely seemed content to say, “I don't know.” Instead, he supplied an answer—and often an extraordinarily detailed one. A skeleton becomes Zelph, complete with a name, identity, history, and ancient associations. Egyptian papyri become the writings of Abraham. Egyptian figures become Abraham, Pharaoh, Shulem, Olimlah, gods, and cosmic teachings. The Kinderhook Plates produce an ancient genealogy. A stone becomes a seer stone capable of revealing hidden knowledge. Native Americans become Lamanites. Landscapes become Cumorah, Zion, the Garden of Eden, Adam-ondi-Ahman, and the “plains of the Nephites.” And the pattern extends beyond objects and geography. Where scripture appears incomplete, Joseph supplies the JST, Book of Moses, Enoch material, and D&C 7's hidden parchment. Where ancient language is unknowable, he supplies the “Pure Language” of Adam. Where the universe remained largely mysterious, Joseph supplies an elaborate Abrahamic cosmology involving Kolob and an entire hierarchy of named heavenly bodies. But this raises a more important question than whether any single claim sounds strange: How reliable was Joseph Smith's method of knowing? We separate these claims into those that eventually became independently testable, those where some physical evidence exists but Joseph's specific identification remains difficult to test, and those constructed around realities essentially beyond external verification. And a troubling pattern emerges: where later evidence allows us to check Joseph's extraordinary claims, serious problems repeatedly appear. So what should we make of the claims that remain safely beyond our ability to test? This episode explores the possibility that Joseph Smith's greatest prophetic advantage may have been the unknown—because the less anyone around him could verify, the more room he had to “know.” Joseph Smith Always Had an Answer: The Pattern Behind His Claims

Where do I find peace? by Autumn Dickson Mortal life is not for the faint of heart. Though it can have breaks in the difficulty where the sun shines for a while, we often get thrown back into the waves so that we can achieve our purpose of growing. It's a necessary exercise. It was the purpose of mortal life. However, despite opposition being one of the main tools of the Plan of Salvation, it can be exhausting. Here is a verse in Psalms that helped me to reflect on this concept. Psalms 116:7 Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the Lord hath dealt bountifully with thee. In all the craziness that runs rampant in our world, the Lord can offer peace and rest. He doesn't offer it as the world gives it; He offers it differently. Doesn't that sound nice? I spent a lot of time growing up not understanding how to actually harvest the peace out of the gospel. I did the work, but I couldn't close the gap between following the commandments and actually receiving a calmness in my soul. I went to church and read scriptures and did programs and attended the temple, and I still had a significant amount of turmoil in my life. So what are some of our barriers to peace? I think there can be many barriers to peace including opposition, spiritual challenges, and challenges for our loved ones. However, I think the biggest barrier is a misunderstanding of where peace comes from. Let's talk about some of those misunderstandings first. The world teaches us that removing the opposition will help us find peace. I don't think that's 100% false. I definitely find peace when I take care of some of my issues. However, this is not a consistent enough resolution. Even when my life is relatively serene, I have a bad habit of finding problems. There was an experiment performed by John B. Calhoun in the late 1960's where he created a mouse utopia with plenty of space, food, and water. The temperature was always ideal. There were no predators. The mice flourished initially. As time moved on, despite ideal conditions and plentiful resources, the society of mice dissolved. Males started fighting aggressively with no true purpose. Females abandoned their young. Many mice withdrew socially and wouldn't participate. In a world filled to the brim with external peace, the mice created their own problems and sabotaged their own society. I can't help but notice parallels in our own world. There is such a thing as external peace, but it actually plays a relatively inconsequential role in our internal peace. The world would tell you to remove external pressures and responsibilities. This is relatively ineffective. But beyond what the world teaches, I think sometimes we, as Latter-day Saints, misunderstand where peace comes from even within the gospel. At least I misunderstood it. I thought that if I did what I was supposed to, the peace would just descend upon me. It would just start springing up as I made the correct decisions. I missed a critical step. Following the commandments → get to know Christ → peace in Christ Following the commandments does not automatically bring peace. It can remove some of the barriers to peace. It can prevent barriers from rising up. For example, following the Word of Wisdom helps prevent addictions which can upend your life. However, we have already discussed the fact that removing external barriers is insufficient. Peace is a byproduct of belief. I believe that Christ can fulfill His promises to me, and those promises are so incredible. I love them. When difficult things happen, I can hold to those promises. When life is easy, I still can find purpose rather than emptiness. True belief brings peace. Commandments can help us find belief. Perhaps that seems like a silly nuance, but it made a world of difference for me. I kept doing what I was supposed to do in the church, but I was still finding turmoil. True belief was missing. Interestingly enough, I believe in the church. I believed that God led it. I believed that Joseph Smith had restored it. I believed The Book of Mormon came from God. But it wasn't until I started actively believing that Christ had died for me, paid for my sins, and promised to personally take care of me that things clicked into place and I felt safe. I'm grateful that the commandments helped me find that belief that brought peace. Which brings us back to our verse. Let's put it into modern words this time. Psalms 116:7 Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the Lord hath dealt bountifully with thee. Rest. Because the Lord has blessed you. Because He will bless you. Sometimes He really does calm the sea and remove external barriers. Those are nice times. Those are times where we get to practice finding purpose to ground us. But other times, He can help us walk on water instead. In the New Testament, Peter walks on water and stays there as long as he keeps his eyes on Christ. It doesn't matter how tall the waves are. It doesn't matter how much the water rises. It doesn't matter when keeping your eye on Christ keeps you on top of all that water. In fact, the rising water just brings you higher. You're not swimming desperately or drowning. You're keeping your eyes on Christ, and He is enabling you to walk on top of it all. Your soul can rest because He is dealing with you bountifully. I testify that peace comes internally. External peace is nice sometimes, but inner peace is truly what matters. I testify that the most powerful kind of peace stems from keeping your eye on Christ. I testify that keeping the commandments brings peace because keeping commandments helps you keep your eye on Christ. I testify that peace is possible even in our world filled with turmoil. Autumn Dickson was born and raised in a small town in Texas. She served a mission in the Indianapolis Indiana mission. She studied elementary education but has found a particular passion in teaching the gospel. Her desire for her content is to inspire people to feel confident, peaceful, and joyful about their relationship with Jesus Christ and to allow that relationship to touch every aspect of their lives. Autumn was the recipient of FAIR's 2024 John Taylor Defender of the Faith Award. The post Come, Follow Me with FAIR – Psalms 102–103; 110; 116–119; 127–128; 135–139; 146–150 – Part 2 – Autumn Dickson appeared first on FAIR.

Richard hadn't showered in days, his water heater's dead, and his family staged an intervention over his baggy clothes. We read emails from listeners and missionaries, including an elder serving in the California Ontario Mission, whose Gen Z slang ("capping," "yapping") had us reaching for a translation guide. Then we got into apostate #8: Ezra Booth. A former Methodist minister and early high priest, Booth apostatized barely a year into the Church and published the first widely reprinted insider attacks on Joseph Smith, fuel for Eber Howe's Mormonism Unveiled. We dug into Sidney Rigdon's public debate challenge, D&C 71, and why Booth grasped prophetic authority better than today's splinter movements. The takeaway, vet your sources and stay close to the prophets. If you are interested in joining us in 2027 in Palmyra and Kirtland, August 1st through August 7th, click on the link below and reserve your spot: https://pci.jotform.com/form/261567888174171 Sign up for our free monthly email: ⁠ ⁠⁠https://standardoftruthpodcast.substack.com⁠⁠ (https://standardoftruthpodcast.substack.com/) If you have any questions or possible topics of discussion for upcoming podcasts, please email us at: ⁠⁠questions@standardoftruthpodcast.com

What do Mormons believe? What Mormon beliefs have changed since the time of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young? Why does new revelation in Mormonism seem to be so convenient? How can I reach a Mormon with the true saving gospel of Jesus Christ?

Note: Much of the content in this podcast can be found in show participant Ross Anderson's book Understanding the Book of MormonThe Book of Mormon claims to be an ancient scripture that tells the story of God's people in the American continent. It was engraved on gold plates and translated by Joseph Smith through the “gift and power of God.” In fact, Smith claimed that “the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book” (History of the Church, 4:461). LDS missionaries seek converts by urging them to read BoM and pray about its divine authenticity.Anachronism Anachronism = events or objects that appear out of the proper time period in which one would expect themSynagoguesAlma 16:13 = Nephite evangelists preached repentance in synagogues, “which were built after the manner of the Jews”Nephites were descended from Jews → were Jewish (according to story)But synagogues were not developed in Judaism until 400 years after Nephites left JerusalemHow could the writer have know HOW the Jews built their synagogues?Plants / AnimalsMosiah 9:9 “And we began to till the ground, yea, even with all manner of seeds: with seeds of corn and of wheat and of barley.”Wheat and barley were brought to America by EuropeansSheep / goats / cattle / swine → introduced to America by EuropeansEconomy → use of money (coinage) vs. barter18th Century IdeasSince its publication, observers have noted that BoM contains many parallels to 19th c. American lifeAlexander Campbell: JS wrote into the BoM “every error and almost every truth discussed in New York for the last ten years”BoM decides all the great theological / social controversies of the ageReflects 19th c. theological & political themesOffers guidance on democracy, socialism, capitalism, various Protestant controversies like infant baptism, Calvinism, miracles, the fall of humankind, call to ministry, Unitarianism, etcSermons by Nephite prophets echo closely the form & language of 19th c. evangelistsConversion experiences described in BoM are similar to spiritual awakenings commonly reported in American revival movement of early 1800sWhy are the contents of an ancient work so closely tied to the concerns of one American generation?Literary SourcesA View of the Hebrews (1823) by Ethan Smith (Read it here)Argued that Native Americans descended from lost 10 tribes of IsraelThis was a pretty common view in early 1800sBoM shares several thematic elementsExtensive quotations from IsaiahThe New World peopled from the Old World by long sea voyageA religious motive for that migrationMigrants divided into civilized and uncivilized groups with long wars between themEventual destruction of the civilized by the uncivilizedAssumption that Native Americans are descended from these Israelite peopleRecord a change of government from monarchy to republicSuggest the gospel was preached in ancient AmericaIt is unknown whether JS had access to a copy of View of the HebrewsBut even if BoM was not directly inspired by it, the ideas expressed in it were common and popular in 19th century America; reflected in dozens of booksHistory of the American Indians (1775) by James AdairSpecific words and phrases describing Indian fortifications - same in bothMany other parallelsThe Wonders of Nature (1825) by Josiah PriestSimilarity in several passages → a pure coincidence?The Golden Pot (1827 eng trans), by ETA HoffmanSeveral alleged similarities in this story compared to the story of how the BoM / gold plates came forthBible AnachronismsAspects of how the BoM interacts with the Bible → don't reflect JS's timesKJV language = KJV translated in 1611, 210+ years before BoMEnglish had changed quite a bit → compare reading American lit from that timeLast of the Mohicans / The Scarlet Letter / Legend of Sleepy HollowBut BoM is written in full-on KJV styleKJV the predominant translation → extremely wide circulationIt was how Scripture soundedWhy would BoM not reflect the common language of JS's time?If not a conscious attempt to make it sound like ScriptureBoM contains verbal parallels to the 1611 preface to KJVWords / phrases in the preface, but not in the KJV text of BibleWhich, of course, ancient writers would not have had access toBoM has a timeline → approx dates when events took placeAlma 12-13 (dates) draws heavily on the book of HebrewsA variety of BoM's theological statements draw from / depend on interpretations already present in the NTProphecies from 1-2 Nephi (600-5454 BC) about coming of Jesus Christ use language recorded in NTReads more like a Xian doc vs a Jewish docIn a sense, these BoM prophecies know too much detail about Messiah - far more than OT prophetsSuggests an author familiar with the fulfillment of the prophecies after the factBoM version of Sermon on MountSome changes are made: no ref to PhariseesBut many issues in BoM version that presuppose 1st-century Jewish cultural / religious contextGoing 2 miles when forced to go 1The “jot and tittle” of Scripture“Dogs” as a metaphor for GentilesEtc.Does the Bible have the same issues?The evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls gives strong evidence of the reliability of the BibleSee: “What Are the Dead Seas Scrolls?”--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. 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The episode delves into the theological world of the Latter-day Saint Temple, exploring the significance of temple worship, sacred ordinances, and the connection to the afterlife. It also addresses the practice of baptism for the dead and the temple endowment, shedding light on the covenants, symbolism, and historical context of these rituals. The conversation delves into the historical connections between Mormon temple practices and their potential origins, the evolution of the endowment ceremony, the significance of the garment of the holy priesthood, and the theology of eternal marriage and sealing. It also explores the complexities of family relationships in the afterlife and the concept of posthumous conversion to Mormonism.TakeawaysTemple worship in the Latter-day Saint tradition involves sacred ordinances, covenants, and symbolic rituals that connect to the afterlife and the plan of salvation.The practice of baptism for the dead and the temple endowment are deeply rooted in LDS theology, history, and the restoration of ancient practices.The historical context of the temple endowment, including its similarities to Freemasonry, raises questions and invites different interpretations. Restoration vs. Development: The historical origins of Mormon temple practices, such as the endowment ceremony and eternal sealing, raise questions about whether they were genuinely restored from ancient traditions or developed within the context of Joseph Smith's environment.Theology of Eternal Marriage: The theology of eternal marriage and sealing in Mormonism is deeply intertwined with the concept of exaltation and the eternal continuation of family relationships, presenting complex theological and practical implications.Afterlife and Posthumous Conversion: The discussion of the spirit world, paradise, and spirit prison in Mormon theology raises the question of whether individuals who have passed away without accepting the restored gospel can become Latter-day Saints after death.Significance of the Garment: The garment of the holy priesthood is explored as a physical symbol of covenants, protection, and connection to Jesus Christ, highlighting its theological and practical significance for faithful Latter-day Saints.Chapters00:00 The Temple Endowment and Covenants45:20 Historical Origins of Temple Practices50:21 The Garment of the Holy Priesthood01:07:19 Eternal Marriage and Sealing01:29:04 Afterlife and Posthumous Conversion

In this new series on Mormon Stories Podcast, we're joined once again by historian Dr. John Turner to take an in-depth look at one of the most important –and complicated –figures in Mormon history: Brigham Young. Dr. Turner is the author of Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, his acclaimed 2012 biography of the second president and prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. John was recently our guest for an extensive series on his newer biography, _Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet_. In this episode, we begin at the beginning: Who was Brigham Young before he became the leader of the Mormon movement?John takes us through Brigham's early life, his difficult relationship with his father, his exploration of different religious traditions, his attraction to spiritual gifts and “ecstatic worship,” and his eventual conversion to Mormonism. We explore the religious environment that shaped Brigham Young and the broader culture of early Mormonism, including speaking in tongues, visions, healings, prophecy, and other spiritual manifestations. We also examine Brigham's relationship with his first wife, Miriam, his friendship with Heber C. Kimball, his early missionary experiences, and his first encounters with Joseph Smith. Along the way, we consider what made Brigham such a committed follower of Joseph Smith –and why Joseph recognized Brigham's loyalty even though their relationship was very different from Joseph's relationships with some of his other close associates. This episode offers a fascinating look at the making of Brigham Young before his transformation into the Mormon leader who would eventually guide thousands of Latter-day Saints across the American West.Some of the topics that we discuss in this first episode is Brigham's childhood, the harsh treatment on the part of his father, Brigham's Methodism and "ecstatic worship” along with his desire to find a church that had the gift of tongues, visions, healings, etc. We discuss the death of Brigham's first wife Miriam and how he handled his children afterward. We discuss his friendship with Heber C. Kimball and his missionary efforts as an elder in the church. We also discuss Brigham's friendship with Joseph Smith, his defense of Joseph, how he handled failed prophecies, and much more. If you wish to donate to support this series, please visit here: https://donorbox.org/brighamyoung___________________YouTubeAt Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals.  Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions

We know that faith is a power stronger than electricity or lightning or the flooding of many waters. It is the first great governing principle which has power, dominion, and authority over all things.  So, of course we seek how to develop it in ourselves. In Lectures on Faith, Joseph Smith teaches us: “Three things are necessary for any rational and intelligent being to exercise faith in God unto life and salvation.“First, the idea that he actually exists:“Secondly, a correct idea of his character, perfections and attributes;“And thirdly, an actual knowledge that the course of life which one is pursuing is according to His will.”

What can Nauvoo land deeds actually tell us about Joseph Smith and the practice of plural marriage? In this episode of LDS Discussions, we take a close look at Nauvoo land records and examine claims that deeds issued to women –including women who were later identified as plural wives of Joseph Smith –provide evidence for Joseph Smith's practice of polygamy. The records are fascinating, but they are also considerably more complicated than they might appear at first glance. We examine the legal and historical context surrounding Nauvoo property, including the difference between a grantee and a recognized landowner, quitclaim deeds, coverture, widow's dower rights, property held in the  names of women and children, and the ways Joseph Smith and others used property arrangements to protect land from creditors and other legal complications. We also take a  closer look at individual cases involving Helen Mar Kimball, Sarah Ann Whitney, Flora Woodworth, Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner, Lydia Dibble Granger, Mercy Fielding Thompson, Philinda Myrick, Emma Smith, and others. Several of these women had connections to plural marriage, but that raises an important historical question: Does the existence of a deed help explain why a particular transaction happened, or does the deed itself provide evidence that polygamy was the reason for the transaction? Throughout the episode, we compare the deeds with tax records, William Clayton's journal, bankruptcy proceedings, and other contemporary evidence to see whether the names and dates appearing on the deeds accurately reflect who actually owned, occupied, controlled, or benefited from the property. One of the key conclusions is that you cannot simply take Nauvoo land deeds at face value. A plural marriage may sometimes provide a possible explanation for a property transaction, but the transaction itself does not necessarily prove that a plural marriage existed. This episode explores the complicated gap between what was legally recorded, what people were actually doing, and what later historians assume those records mean.___________________YouTubeAt Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals.  Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions

What can Nauvoo land deeds actually tell us about Joseph Smith and the practice of plural marriage? In this episode of LDS Discussions, we take a close look at Nauvoo land records and examine claims that deeds issued to women –including women who were later identified as plural wives of Joseph Smith –provide evidence for Joseph Smith's practice of polygamy. The records are fascinating, but they are also considerably more complicated than they might appear at first glance. We examine the legal and historical context surrounding Nauvoo property, including the difference between a grantee and a recognized landowner, quitclaim deeds, coverture, widow's dower rights, property held in the  names of women and children, and the ways Joseph Smith and others used property arrangements to protect land from creditors and other legal complications. We also take a  closer look at individual cases involving Helen Mar Kimball, Sarah Ann Whitney, Flora Woodworth, Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner, Lydia Dibble Granger, Mercy Fielding Thompson, Philinda Myrick, Emma Smith, and others. Several of these women had connections to plural marriage, but that raises an important historical question: Does the existence of a deed help explain why a particular transaction happened, or does the deed itself provide evidence that polygamy was the reason for the transaction? Throughout the episode, we compare the deeds with tax records, William Clayton's journal, bankruptcy proceedings, and other contemporary evidence to see whether the names and dates appearing on the deeds accurately reflect who actually owned, occupied, controlled, or benefited from the property. One of the key conclusions is that you cannot simply take Nauvoo land deeds at face value. A plural marriage may sometimes provide a possible explanation for a property transaction, but the transaction itself does not necessarily prove that a plural marriage existed. This episode explores the complicated gap between what was legally recorded, what people were actually doing, and what later historians assume those records mean.Show NotesYouTubeMormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:One-time or recurring donation through DonorboxSupport us on PatreonPayPalVenmoOur Platforms:YouTubePatreonSpotifyApple PodcastsContact us:MormonStories@gmail.comPO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117Social Media:Insta: @mormstoriesTikTok: @mormonstoriespodcastJoin the Discord

Did Joseph Smith really predict that the Constitution of the United States would one day “hang by a thread” and that the Latter-day Saints would step forward to save it? And what about the mysterious and controversial White Horse Prophecy—a dramatic account involving the future of the United States, the Constitution, and the destiny of the Latter-day Saints? In this episode of Church History Matters, Scott Woodward and Casey Griffiths take a careful look at one of the most debated statements in Latter-day Saint history. The White Horse Prophecy has been repeated, quoted, expanded, and sometimes used to interpret modern politics for generations. But how much of it can actually be traced back to Joseph Smith? Scott and Casey examine the weaknesses in the prophecy's claim to authenticity, including the late recollection on which much of the account depends, the absence of a contemporary record, and questions about how the story changed and developed over time. The result is a fascinating example of why historians have to distinguish between what may have been remembered, what can be documented, and what later generations may have added to the story. But that does not mean every idea associated with the White Horse Prophecy should be dismissed. The famous concept that the Constitution of the United States would one day “hang by a thread” has a stronger historical foundation. Multiple sources attribute statements to Joseph Smith expressing concern for the future of the Constitution and describing a time when it would face grave danger. Scott and Casey explore those sources, their strengths and limitations, and what Joseph Smith may actually have meant. Join us as we separate prophecy from folklore, documentation from tradition, and historical evidence from later interpretation. What can we responsibly say Joseph Smith taught about the future of the Constitution? What parts of the White Horse Prophecy are difficult to substantiate? And why has this controversial story continued to capture the imagination of Latter-day Saints for more than a century?

In June 1834, while marching with Zion's Camp through Illinois, Joseph Smith and his followers came across an ancient Native American burial mound. Members of the group dug into the mound and uncovered a human skeleton—with what appeared to be an arrowhead among its ribs. According to multiple members of Zion's Camp, Joseph Smith then… Read More »Mormonism’s Zelph – The White Lamanite

In June 1834, while marching with Zion's Camp through Illinois, Joseph Smith and his followers came across an ancient Native American burial mound. Members of the group dug into the mound and uncovered a human skeleton—with what appeared to be an arrowhead among its ribs. According to multiple members of Zion's Camp, Joseph Smith then… Read More »Mormonism’s Zelph – The White Lamanite The post Mormonism’s Zelph – The White Lamanite appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.

In June 1834, while marching with Zion's Camp through Illinois, Joseph Smith and his followers came across an ancient Native American burial mound. Members of the group dug into the mound and uncovered a human skeleton—with what appeared to be an arrowhead among its ribs. According to multiple members of Zion's Camp, Joseph Smith then received a vision revealing the identity of the dead man. His name was Zelph. He was described as a “white Lamanite,” a warrior and “man of God” who had fought under a great prophet named Onandagus. Wilford Woodruff recorded that Onandagus was known across a territory extending from “the hill Cumorah” to the Rocky Mountains and that Joseph received this information “in a vision.” But the story gets considerably more interesting when we dig deeper. In this episode of Mormonism Live, we examine the earliest surviving Zelph accounts from Wilford Woodruff, Reuben McBride, Levi Hancock, Heber C. Kimball, and others. What did these witnesses independently agree Joseph said? Which details appeared later? And how did the story change as it was edited into the official history of the Church? We also explore Joseph Smith's own remarkable letter written during Zion's Camp describing the group as wandering across the “plains of the Nephites,” examine the possible connections between Zelph, Cumorah, the Land of Desolation, and Book of Mormon geography, and look at what modern archaeology has discovered about the mound where the skeleton was reportedly found. Was Zelph simply an unusual nineteenth-century frontier story? Or did Joseph Smith make a specific prophetic claim about an actual ancient person—one that potentially tells us where Joseph believed Book of Mormon peoples lived? Zelph the White Lamanite: Digging Up Bones This is where archaeology, Mormon history, Book of Mormon geography, and Joseph Smith's prophetic claims collide.

In Episode 81 of the LDS Discussions series, we take a deep dive into the history of Mormon tithing –where the concept comes from, how it appears in the Bible and Book of Mormon, how Joseph Smith and the early Latter-day Saints understood it, and how the practice evolved into the modern LDS Church's system of financial requirements. We begin with the biblical origins of tithing, examining passages from the Old and New Testament and asking whether the biblical practice of tithing actually resembles the transactional model taught by the modern Church. We then turn to the Book of Mormon and explore what it says about priestcraft, wealth, and religious leaders receiving financial support. From there, we trace the history of tithing in early Mormonism, including Joseph Smith's financial requests, the 1838 tithing revelation, how early Saints actually contributed to the Church, and the significant differences between the original language surrounding consecration and the modern requirement to pay ten percent of one's income. We also examine the controversial history surrounding Green Flake and the claim that an enslaved man was donated as tithing, the financial relationship between Brigham Young and the Church, and what the surviving historical records can –and cannot –tell us about the practice of tithing and labor tithes in early Utah. Finally, we look at the development of modern LDS tithing requirements, including when tithing became a requirement for temple recommends, the distinction between tithing and fast offerings, teachings about self-reliance, changes to tithing slips, and the Church's long-standing lack of financial transparency to its membership. If you value episodes like this one, we ask that you show your support by donating to Mormon Stories Podcast! ___________________Show NotesYouTubeAt Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals.  Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions