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My appearance on the YouTube podcast Flaming Sword, where we discussed the case for the annihilationist/conditionalist view of hell. Direct link: https://youtu.be/gbKTIURFs8Y MP3 download: https://www.cantus-firmus.com/Audio/20240816-flamingsword-hell.mp3
In this episode, Brian and Chad interview Chris Date about his view on conditional immortality, which is the idea that the final punishment of the wicked is death and total destruction rather than eternal conscious torment. Chris provides an overview of the two contrasting views and shares his journey of how he became convinced of annihilationism after originally believing in eternal conscious torment.He then dives into key biblical texts that are often used to argue for eternal torment, such as Mark 9:48, Matthew 25:46, Revelation 14:9-11, and Jude 7, demonstrating how these passages can actually better support conditionalism. Chris also makes a concise case for his view by looking at biblical evidence on immortality, the vision of eternity, substitutionary atonement, and the fate of the wicked described as death and destruction.For more resources from Chris on this topic, check out the Rethinking Hell website www.rethinkinghell.com and YouTube channelhttps://www.youtube.com/@RethinkingHellas well as Chris' personal website at https://chrisdate.info While Chris hopes listeners will consider his perspective, his ultimate desire is for unity in the body of Christ despite differences on this non-essential doctrine.================================We appreciate your feedback.If you're on TWITTER, you can follow Chad @TBapologetics.You can follow Brian @TheBrianAutenAnd of course, you can follow @Apologetics315If you have a question or comment for the podcast, record it and send it our way using www.speakpipe.com/Apologetics315 or you can email us at podcast@apologetics315.com
Summary In this conversation, Tim and Keith discuss the topic of universal reconciliation and respond to the claim that it is not a biblical or Christian perspective. They explore various themes, including the historical context of universalism, the views of early church fathers, and the nature of God. They also address the theological critiques of universalism, such as the connection between conditionalism and universalism. In this conversation, Tim and Keith discuss the concept of universal reconciliation and respond to critiques of the belief. They explore the idea of having the mind of Christ and the importance of humility. They address theological and philosophical critiques of universalism, including the claim that it originated from Gnosticism and Kabbalah. They also discuss the problem of grace and how universalists interpret biblical passages differently. The conversation highlights the different hermeneutic approaches used by universalists and the challenges of interpreting Paul's writings. They conclude by addressing verses that seem to support eternal punishment. Takeaways Universalism is not a radical or heretical view, but rather a valid and biblical perspective within the Christian tradition. The early church fathers, including Origen, held views of universal reconciliation, and the label of heresy was not applied until much later. The connection between conditionalism and universalism is not a slippery slope, and each view has its own distinct theological arguments. The theological critiques of universalism can be addressed through a deeper understanding of the nature and character of God. Having the mind of Christ involves humility and the willingness to lower oneself for the sake of others. The claim that universalism originated from Gnosticism and Kabbalah is unfounded and lacks evidence. The problem of grace in universalism is a misunderstanding; extending grace to everyone does not diminish its value. Universalists interpret biblical passages differently, often using apocalyptic hyperbole and spiritual readings. Paul's writings can be interpreted in different ways, but the concept of universal reconciliation is supported by various passages. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Setting the Stage 08:09 Claim 1: Universalism is Radical 15:19 Claim 2: Origen and the Label of Heresy 23:41 Claim 3: Connection between Conditionalism and Universalism 34:49 Theological Critiques of Universalism: The Problem of God 47:12 The Mind of Christ and Humility 48:37 Critiques of Universalism 49:37 Guilt by Association 53:41 The Problem of Grace 57:25 Different Hermeneutic Approaches 01:13:23 Interpreting Paul's Writings 01:18:04 Addressing Verses on Punishment Read Keith Giles' Work Learn more about The Summit For Religious Freedom Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals Subscribe On YouTube Support Our Work Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Tune into this Long form Teaching from Pastors Kyle and Doug about the three orthodox views on Hell. See the hand outs and files below. https://storage2.snappages.site/WG77RF/assets/files/Defence-of-Conditionalism.pdfhttps://storage2.snappages.site/WG77RF/assets/files/Hell-LFT-Handout-.pdfhttps://storage2.snappages.site/WG77RF/assets/files/What-the-bible-really-says-about-hell-17.pdf
Tune into this Long form Teaching from Pastors Kyle and Doug about the three orthodox views on Hell. See the hand outs and files below. https://storage2.snappages.site/WG77RF/assets/files/Defence-of-Conditionalism.pdfhttps://storage2.snappages.site/WG77RF/assets/files/Hell-LFT-Handout-.pdfhttps://storage2.snappages.site/WG77RF/assets/files/What-the-bible-really-says-about-hell-17.pdf
Luther's justification by faith, though it may have been aimed at an unconditional understanding over and against works-righteousness, melded conditionalism and unconditionalism and injected much of Christian thought and biblical interpretation with this confusion. Romans is the place these two systems collide, and particularly how we read Romans 7 brings out the contrast in epistemology, anthropology, the doctrine of revelation, the understanding of God, and of Christ and atonement. (Sign up for our next class, Romans: Salvation through the Body of Christ A theological study of the faithfulness of God revealed in Christ Jesus as articulated in Paul's letter to the Romans. Focusing on Paul's exposition of God making the world right through Christ. Starting September 4th https://pbi.forgingploughshares.org/offerings) Become a Patron! If you enjoyed this podcast, please consider donating to support our work.
Dan Page changed his mind from believing and teaching Eternal Conscious Torment to Conditionalism. We discuss why.We reference a note that Dan posted on his Facebook page. You can see it here with some edits to fit in the description:“This rather lengthy post is primarily for my friends who call themselves Christians. ... Since the beginning of my relationship with God I've often heard people say something along the lines of, “the Bible says everyone is going to live forever in one of two places.” I'm now quite sure that's not at all what the Bible says. The primary picture the scriptures paint is one of eternal life (eternally alive & preserved) in heaven or eternal death (eternally dead & destroyed) in hell. I'm not trying to stir up discord or cause division. Nor am I saying that hell isn't real. Of course it is. Jesus said,“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Matthew 10:28)When we bring the most honest hermeneutic we can to the scriptures, being committed to letting them speak to us rather than us telling them what we think they say, that's when we find ourselves more able to discover what the truth truly is. No matter how long any individual, church or religious organization has believed anything, it doesn't make it right or mean it's true. I remember the cognitive dissonance with which I wrestled as I began questioning ECT. As I've continued to read & study the Bible being honest about what never seemed compatible with believing that love & justice would allow for let alone require ECT, it's come to this: doesn't inviting someone who never asked to exist to consider & respond to the good news communicated & confirmed in the gospel & person of Jesus Christ all the while having to include the reality of eternal conscious torment in a fiery hell if they refuse His gift of eternal life create its own cognitive dissonance? God is good & He is love & in His image He created every human being who was, is & will ever be? Yet the overwhelming majority of humanity will be tormented if not tortured eternally? Where, even once (yes, once), in the entirety of the Old Testament or the Book of Acts or any of the letters written by Paul, Peter or James does anything even hinting at ECT appear? ... If it isn't & someone's rejecting God because of it, then it's not God they're rejecting but a distorted & disfigured caricature of Him.There is no doubt whatsoever that the misinterpretation of scripture leads to the misrepresentation of God. While some will say that's exactly what I'm doing here concerning this, obviously I would beg to differ. The bottom line is that I am trying to expose as clearly as I can that which I've come to see is an absolutely humungous misunderstanding concerning immortality being something anyone has who has not yet received the gift of eternal life in Christ (Genesis 2:16-17 / Matthew 7:13-14 / John 3:16 / Romans 6:23 / 1 Corinthians 15:53-54 / 2 Timothy 1:10 / 1 John 5:11-12).Knowing that how we look at what we see very much influences what it is we see, I do have to say I see the scriptural support for conditional immortality far outweighs that for eternal conscious torment. May whatever the truth is always be our passion & prize. May we always be willing to say “I was wrong” about anything & anyone, including the Bible & God, whenever the need to do so arises. The best questions to ask about whatever the Bible addresses are what does this actually say & what does it truly mean? This includes being aware of context historically, culturally & geographically. It requires being willing & able to acknowledge & address the difference between metaphor, hyperbole, symbolism, allusion & imagery, etc. Is something timely or timeless? Is it a promise, a proverb or a principle / a moral, civil or ceremonial law / a commandment, exhortation or observation? Is a verse or passage primarily descriptive or prescriptive? What are the implications of the Old Testament being written in Hebrew & the New Testament in Greek especially as it pertains to how it is we translate them into whatever other language it may be that we happen to speak?If you are wondering about the veracity of conditional immortality, I cannot recommend these online resources highly enough. They have helped me immensely in my search for the truth concerning hell: http://rethinkinghell.com/, https://www.youtube.com/thehellproject & https://www.conditionalimmortality.org. ...Dan Page”To see more of the backstory of this channel, go here:https://thehellproject.substack.com/p/the-back-storyI do this for free and am very happy to continue to do so to the extent that my videos will not be monetised if my youtube ever grows that big. If you'd like to support what I do or just stay up to date with the resources I create you can do so here:https://thehellproject.substack.com/#biblestudy #theology #hell Get full access to The Hell Project at www.thehellproject.online/subscribe
Message- 1. In the tent with Hagar. 2. Abraham, Genesis, Romans, Galatians and Hebrews and justification--Texts- Gen 12, 15, 16 and 21, Romans, Galatians, Hebrews.. --1. Understanding Abraham helps a great deal in understanding the gospel testimony..-2. Mixing Law and gospel.-3. Conditionalism abounds when God's message is free and sovereign grace..
Message- 1. In the tent with Hagar. 2. Abraham, Genesis, Romans, Galatians and Hebrews and justification--Texts- Gen 12, 15, 16 and 21, Romans, Galatians, Hebrews.. --1. Understanding Abraham helps a great deal in understanding the gospel testimony..-2. Mixing Law and gospel.-3. Conditionalism abounds when God's message is free and sovereign grace..
Message- 1. In the tent with Hagar. 2. Abraham, Genesis, Romans, Galatians and Hebrews and justification--Texts- Gen 12, 15, 16 and 21, Romans, Galatians, Hebrews.. --1. Understanding Abraham helps a great deal in understanding the gospel testimony..-2. Mixing Law and gospel.-3. Conditionalism abounds when God's message is free and sovereign grace..
Message: 1. In the tent with Hagar. 2. Abraham, Genesis, Romans, Galatians and Hebrews and justificationTexts: Gen 12, 15, 16 and 21, Romans, Galatians, Hebrews.. 1. Understanding Abraham helps a great deal in understanding the gospel testimony..2. Mixing Law and gospel.3. Conditionalism abounds when God's message is free and sovereign grace..
Support the show: Patreon l Glow l Episode TranscriptIn a follow up to the last episode and discussion on Hell in this episode we'll take another look at, another, possible theory on Hell, Annihilationism-though some have called it Conditionalism. We are joined by Dr. John Stackhouse; he was educated in history and religious studies at Mount Carmel Bible School at Queen's University in Ontario, Wheaton College Graduate School in Illinois, and The University of Chicago (Ph.D.). Music provided by Heath McNeaseYou can also find selections from all our episodes on our Spotify Playlist. I am so grateful for you and want to invite you to become a part of the beloved community being developed here. Consider becoming a Patreon supporter of the show. You'll have access to many perks as well as guaranteeing the future of these conversations; even $3/Month goes so far as this show is 100% listener supported. https://www.patreon.com/canisaythisatchurchAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
For part 2 of this discussion with "Rethinking Hell" host Chris Date and "Burns' Eye View" host Ross Burns, we switch gears and Ross presents a positive case for ECT! We primarily focus on Scripture found in the Book of Revelation, and both sides present their case! Great ending to an even better discussion all around! A big thanks to Chris and Ross for taking the time out to drop by and chat for a bit! Definitnley had to break this one down to a two parter with so much info packed into an hour! More on Ross Burns and Burns' Eye View here: Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/burnseyeview Twitter- https://twitter.com/BurnsEyeView_ https://parler.com/profile/Burnseyevi... MeWe- https://mewe.com/i/rossburns3 Email- BurnsEyeView1517@gmail.com More on Chris Date and Rethinking Hell here: - Pick up a copy of one of Chris' books here: https://amzn.to/2Qgos0A - RethinkingHell.com - RethinkingHellConference.com - https://bit.ly/3gjphk2 - chrisdate@rethinkinghell.com
Host of "Rethinking Hell, Chris Date AND host of "Burns' Eye View", Ross Burns join us on this week's episode of CSG! We dig in to the foundation's of conditional immortality in part 1 of this two part discussion! Michael and myself join in on the chat as we talk through the difference between "immortality" & "eternal/enduring life", church history, the traditional view of hell, and what "death" means from both perspectives! A big thanks to Chris and Ross for taking the time out to drop by and chat for a bit! Definitnley had to break this one down to a two parter with so much info packed into an hour! More on Ross Burns and Burns' Eye View here: Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/burnseyeview Twitter- https://twitter.com/BurnsEyeView_ https://parler.com/profile/Burnseyevi... MeWe- https://mewe.com/i/rossburns3 Email- BurnsEyeView1517@gmail.com More on Chris Date and Rethinking Hell here: - Pick up a copy of one of Chris' books here: https://amzn.to/2Qgos0A - RethinkingHell.com - RethinkingHellConference.com - https://bit.ly/3gjphk2 - chrisdate@rethinkinghell.com
In this episode of The Tent Making Christianity Podcast, Drew and David talk about the two most common objections to the doctrine of hell. Part 2 of 2.
Special guest Chris Date of Rethinking Hell joins Erik to discuss his experiences defending conditionalism and his outlook on doctrinal divisions within the Church. Intro/Outro Song: Thunder ClapArtist: Rapternal Music by Notty ProductionsWebsite: https://rapternal.com/music-2/thunder-clap-2/track/thunder-clap/?fbclid=IwAR3W6zV_UQ50PhqsDyz8HUWhWCyV_H1s6r38Q7_CMZF9Jnk4WnwrCYMDzW4Attribution-NoDerivatives 4.0 International (CC BY-ND 4.0)
Finished off five straight days of Dividing Lines -9 total hours- with a meandering discussion of conditionalism in response to a video Chris Date posted a while back responding to my comments about Bart Ehrman. That took me to Irenaeus at one point, which accidentally led me off into Sophia and the demiurge and Gnosticism-but I found my way back eventually. Quite the wandering discussion I must admit- On Monday we will be joined by none other than Mylo Hatzenbuhler, so you won't want to miss that one-
Annihilationism is the belief that the wicked will cease to exist after the final judgment. Conditionalism goes an extra step beyond annihilationism to clarify why mankind can not survive eternally in the lake of fire. In this episode, Chris Date comes on the show to explain why the wicked will be annihilated at the final judgment because of the conditional state of eternal life. His uses the resurection of the dead, the nature of humanities mortality, and the atonement of Jesus Christ to articulate his possition of conditionalism. This is going to be a fun episode, hope you guys enjoy. ____________________________________________________________________________________Help Support The Channel through a one time gift or a monthly contribution.https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=GC2Z86XHHG4X6____________________________________________________________________________________
Rethinking Hell contributors William Tanksley and Darren Clark join Chris Date to critique Greg Koukl and Tim Barnett's article series at Stand to Reason called "Hell Interrupted." This episode contains the fifth and final part of their discussion; listen to episodes 132 through 135 for the first four parts. Links: Part 1 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/SolidGroundSept2017HellInterrupted Part 2 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/solidgroundnovember2017hellinterruptedpart2 Part 3 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/SolidGroundJuly2019-hell-interrupted-3 "Warned of Sin's Wages," article by Peter Grice: http://rethinkinghell.com/2017/11/08/warned-of-sins-wages-a-concise-explanation-of-death-in-genesis-217-and-romans-623/ "Annihilation in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (Part 1)," article by Peter Grice: http://rethinkinghell.com/2016/11/14/annihilation-in-2-thessalonians-19-part-1-destroyed-by-the-glory-of-his-manifest-presence/ "Annihilation in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (Part 2)," article by Ronnie Demler and William Tanksley: http://rethinkinghell.com/2016/12/05/annihilation-in-2-thess-1-9-part-2-separation-or-obliteration/ "Perish the Thought," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/06/14/perish-the-thought-john-3-16/ "On the Meaning of Destruction in the Bible," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/04/18/on-the-meaning-of-destruction-in-the-bible/ "Exegesis Interrupted," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/11/13/exegesis-interrupted-a-critique-of-stand-to-reasons-article-hell-interrupted-part-2/ "Biblical Theology Interrupted," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/02/22/biblical-theology-interrupted-part-2-of-a-critique-of-stand-to-reasons-article-hell-interrupted-part-2/ "Psalm 37—A Song of Annihilation," article by Mark Corbett and William Tanksley: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/05/09/psalm-37-a-song-of-annihilation/ "The Hermeneutics of Conditionalism," article by Chris Date: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/02/27/the-hermeneutics-of-conditionalism-a-defense-of-the-interpretive-method-of-edward-fudge/
Rethinking Hell contributors William Tanksley and Darren Clark join Chris Date to critique Greg Koukl and Tim Barnett's article series at Stand to Reason called "Hell Interrupted." This episode contains part 4 of their discussion; the next episode will contain the final installment of the series. Links: Part 1 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/SolidGroundSept2017HellInterrupted Part 2 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/solidgroundnovember2017hellinterruptedpart2 Part 3 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/SolidGroundJuly2019-hell-interrupted-3 "Warned of Sin's Wages," article by Peter Grice: http://rethinkinghell.com/2017/11/08/warned-of-sins-wages-a-concise-explanation-of-death-in-genesis-217-and-romans-623/ "Annihilation in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (Part 1)," article by Peter Grice: http://rethinkinghell.com/2016/11/14/annihilation-in-2-thessalonians-19-part-1-destroyed-by-the-glory-of-his-manifest-presence/ "Annihilation in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (Part 2)," article by Ronnie Demler and William Tanksley: http://rethinkinghell.com/2016/12/05/annihilation-in-2-thess-1-9-part-2-separation-or-obliteration/ "Perish the Thought," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/06/14/perish-the-thought-john-3-16/ "On the Meaning of Destruction in the Bible," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/04/18/on-the-meaning-of-destruction-in-the-bible/ "Exegesis Interrupted," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/11/13/exegesis-interrupted-a-critique-of-stand-to-reasons-article-hell-interrupted-part-2/ "Biblical Theology Interrupted," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/02/22/biblical-theology-interrupted-part-2-of-a-critique-of-stand-to-reasons-article-hell-interrupted-part-2/ "Psalm 37—A Song of Annihilation," article by Mark Corbett and William Tanksley: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/05/09/psalm-37-a-song-of-annihilation/ "The Hermeneutics of Conditionalism," article by Chris Date: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/02/27/the-hermeneutics-of-conditionalism-a-defense-of-the-interpretive-method-of-edward-fudge/
Rethinking Hell contributors William Tanksley and Darren Clark join Chris Date to critique Greg Koukl and Tim Barnett's article series at Stand to Reason called "Hell Interrupted." This episode contains part 3 of their discussion; the next one or two episodes will contain the remainder of the series. Links: Part 1 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/SolidGroundSept2017HellInterrupted Part 2 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/solidgroundnovember2017hellinterruptedpart2 Part 3 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/SolidGroundJuly2019-hell-interrupted-3 "Warned of Sin's Wages," article by Peter Grice: http://rethinkinghell.com/2017/11/08/warned-of-sins-wages-a-concise-explanation-of-death-in-genesis-217-and-romans-623/ "Annihilation in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (Part 1)," article by Peter Grice: http://rethinkinghell.com/2016/11/14/annihilation-in-2-thessalonians-19-part-1-destroyed-by-the-glory-of-his-manifest-presence/ "Annihilation in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (Part 2)," article by Ronnie Demler and William Tanksley: http://rethinkinghell.com/2016/12/05/annihilation-in-2-thess-1-9-part-2-separation-or-obliteration/ "Perish the Thought," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/06/14/perish-the-thought-john-3-16/ "On the Meaning of Destruction in the Bible," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/04/18/on-the-meaning-of-destruction-in-the-bible/ "Exegesis Interrupted," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/11/13/exegesis-interrupted-a-critique-of-stand-to-reasons-article-hell-interrupted-part-2/ "Biblical Theology Interrupted," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/02/22/biblical-theology-interrupted-part-2-of-a-critique-of-stand-to-reasons-article-hell-interrupted-part-2/ "Psalm 37—A Song of Annihilation," article by Mark Corbett and William Tanksley: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/05/09/psalm-37-a-song-of-annihilation/ "The Hermeneutics of Conditionalism," article by Chris Date: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/02/27/the-hermeneutics-of-conditionalism-a-defense-of-the-interpretive-method-of-edward-fudge/
Rethinking Hell contributors William Tanksley and Darren Clark join Chris Date to critique Greg Koukl and Tim Barnett's article series at Stand to Reason called "Hell Interrupted." This episode contains part 2 of their discussion; the next two or three episodes will contain the remainder of the series. Links: Part 1 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/SolidGroundSept2017HellInterrupted Part 2 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/solidgroundnovember2017hellinterruptedpart2 Part 3 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/SolidGroundJuly2019-hell-interrupted-3 "Warned of Sin's Wages," article by Peter Grice: http://rethinkinghell.com/2017/11/08/warned-of-sins-wages-a-concise-explanation-of-death-in-genesis-217-and-romans-623/ "Annihilation in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (Part 1)," article by Peter Grice: http://rethinkinghell.com/2016/11/14/annihilation-in-2-thessalonians-19-part-1-destroyed-by-the-glory-of-his-manifest-presence/ "Annihilation in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (Part 2)," article by Ronnie Demler and William Tanksley: http://rethinkinghell.com/2016/12/05/annihilation-in-2-thess-1-9-part-2-separation-or-obliteration/ "Perish the Thought," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/06/14/perish-the-thought-john-3-16/ "On the Meaning of Destruction in the Bible," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/04/18/on-the-meaning-of-destruction-in-the-bible/ "Exegesis Interrupted," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/11/13/exegesis-interrupted-a-critique-of-stand-to-reasons-article-hell-interrupted-part-2/ "Biblical Theology Interrupted," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/02/22/biblical-theology-interrupted-part-2-of-a-critique-of-stand-to-reasons-article-hell-interrupted-part-2/ "Psalm 37—A Song of Annihilation," article by Mark Corbett and William Tanksley: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/05/09/psalm-37-a-song-of-annihilation/ "The Hermeneutics of Conditionalism," article by Chris Date: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/02/27/the-hermeneutics-of-conditionalism-a-defense-of-the-interpretive-method-of-edward-fudge/
Rethinking Hell contributors William Tanksley and Darren Clark join Chris Date to critique Greg Koukl and Tim Barnett's article series at Stand to Reason called "Hell Interrupted." This episode contains part 1 of their discussion; the next two, three, or four episodes will contain the remainder of the series. Links: Part 1 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/SolidGroundSept2017HellInterrupted Part 2 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/solidgroundnovember2017hellinterruptedpart2 Part 3 of Koukl and Barnett's article series, "Hell Interrupted": https://www.str.org/SolidGroundJuly2019-hell-interrupted-3 "Warned of Sin's Wages," article by Peter Grice: http://rethinkinghell.com/2017/11/08/warned-of-sins-wages-a-concise-explanation-of-death-in-genesis-217-and-romans-623/ "Annihilation in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (Part 1)," article by Peter Grice: http://rethinkinghell.com/2016/11/14/annihilation-in-2-thessalonians-19-part-1-destroyed-by-the-glory-of-his-manifest-presence/ "Annihilation in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (Part 2)," article by Ronnie Demler and William Tanksley: http://rethinkinghell.com/2016/12/05/annihilation-in-2-thess-1-9-part-2-separation-or-obliteration/ "Perish the Thought," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/06/14/perish-the-thought-john-3-16/ "On the Meaning of Destruction in the Bible," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/04/18/on-the-meaning-of-destruction-in-the-bible/ "Exegesis Interrupted," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/11/13/exegesis-interrupted-a-critique-of-stand-to-reasons-article-hell-interrupted-part-2/ "Biblical Theology Interrupted," article by Darren Clark: http://rethinkinghell.com/2019/02/22/biblical-theology-interrupted-part-2-of-a-critique-of-stand-to-reasons-article-hell-interrupted-part-2/ "Psalm 37—A Song of Annihilation," article by Mark Corbett and William Tanksley: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/05/09/psalm-37-a-song-of-annihilation/ "The Hermeneutics of Conditionalism," article by Chris Date: http://rethinkinghell.com/2018/02/27/the-hermeneutics-of-conditionalism-a-defense-of-the-interpretive-method-of-edward-fudge/
Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date interviews Micael Grenholm, a Pentecostal pastor, speaker, and writer residing in Uppsala, Sweden, to discuss how the doctrine of eternal torment hinders evangelism in Sweden and how the doctrine of conditional immortality can help.
In this episode of The Remnant Radio, Jordan Sutton is coming on the show to discuss conditionalism. The Idea that eternal life is only given to those who believe in Christ. By deduction, those who do not believe in Christ will not live eternally. Some have chosen to call this annihilationism, in short, we are discussing if hell is eternal conscious torment as it has been portrayed by media and the church, Or his Hell a place where people cease to be?
Is hell eternal conscious torment, or the end of consciousness (like some may imagine the death penalty)?Chris Date is the president of Rethinking Hell - a ministry focused on the defense of a view regarding the nature of hell known as Conditionalism. In this episode we talk with Chris about the various views available to evangelicals, and hear about an upcoming conference devoted to the subject.
What is the destiny of the unrighteous? Christians over the centuries have put forward three major options: eternal conscious torment (traditionalism), temporary torment followed by salvation (universalism), temporary torment followed by destruction (annihilationism). In this lecture we’ll cover the main texts supporting the annihilation of the wicked as well as three logical problems with the Read more about Theology 7 — Annihilationism[…]
What is the destiny of the unrighteous? Christians over the centuries have put forward three major options: eternal conscious torment (traditionalism), temporary torment followed by salvation (universalism), temporary torment followed by destruction (annihilationism). In this lecture we’ll cover the main texts supporting the annihilation of the wicked as well as three logical problems with the Read more about Theology 7 — Annihilationism[…]
In a follow up to the last episode and discussion on Hell in this episode we'll take another look at, another, possible theory on Hell, Annihilationism-though some have called it Conditionalism. We are joined by Dr. John Stackhouse; he was educated in history and religious studies at Mount Carmel Bible School at Queen’s University in Ontario, Wheaton College Graduate School in Illinois, and The University of Chicago (Ph.D.). Formerly a professor of European history at Northwestern College in Iowa, a professor of religion at the University of Manitoba, and the Sangwoo Youtong Chee Professor of Theology and Culture at Regent College (University of British Columbia), he now serves Crandall University in Moncton, New Brunswick, as the Samuel J. Mikolaski Professor of Religious Studies and Dean of Faculty Development. John is the author of ten books, the editor of four more, serves on the editorial board for Christianity today, and is the author of over 700 articles, book chapters, and reviews in academic publications, major newspapers, and magazines. His writings range over history, sociology, philosophy, theology, ethics, and comparative religion. He has spoken throughout North America, in the United Kingdom, and in China, India, Israel, Korea, Malaysia, Australia, and New Zealand. His commentary on religion and contemporary culture has been featured by major broadcast and print media as diverse as The New York Times, The Atlantic, ABC News, CBC Radio, Time, and Reader’s Digest. His new book, Why You're Here: Ethics for the Real World can be found on Amazon pick it up! The full list of publications includes: Why You’re Here: Ethics for the Real World (Oxford University Press, 2017). Partners in Christ: A Conservative Case for Egalitarianism (InterVarsity Press, 2015). Need to Know: Vocation as the Heart of Christian Epistemology (Oxford University Press, 2014). Making the Best of It: Following Christ in the Real World (Oxford University Press, 2008). Humble Apologetics: Defending the Faith Today (Oxford University Press, 2002). Can God Be Trusted? Faith and the Challenge of Evil (Oxford University Press, 1998; 2nd edition, InterVarsity Press, 2009). Canadian Evangelicalism in the Twentieth Century: An Introduction to Its Character (University of Toronto Press, 1993). Music provided by Heath McNease Find his music on Bandcamp or iTunes Twitter: @theheathmcnasty Youtube Songs Featured: Spectral Evidence 13:15 Salem Songs Please support Heath! Transcript If you are liking what your getting please consider helping to keep it going. Become a Patron and joining us at Patreon, you'll also get some other nice perks as well. www.patreon.com/canisaythisatchurch.com Facebook --- Twitter
Writer and filmmaker Brian Godawa joins Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date to discuss his biblical fiction series, Chronicles of the Apocalypse, and how orthodox preterism can inform the debate between the doctrines of conditional immortality and eternal torment.
It's Hell Week Part Deux! "So why would I ever trust in a God who tortures people forever?" In this sermon we look at some practical responses to that common question. Plus we dive deeper into understanding more about Conditionalism and Restorationalism.
It's Hell Week Part Deux! "So why would I ever trust in a God who tortures people forever?" In this sermon we look at some practical responses to that common question. Plus we dive deeper into understanding more about Conditionalism and Restorationalism.
It's Hell Week Part Deux! "So why would I ever trust in a God who tortures people forever?" In this sermon we look at some practical responses to that common question. Plus we dive deeper into understanding more about Conditionalism and Restorationalism.
It's Hell Week Part Deux! "So why would I ever trust in a God who tortures people forever?" In this sermon we look at some practical responses to that common question. Plus we dive deeper into understanding more about Conditionalism and Restorationalism.
Dr. Michael Brown joins Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date to discuss hell and immortality in evangelism and the Old Testament.
In this episode of the Freed Thinker Podcast, I start a discussion with Chris Date from Rethinking Hell, on his understanding of the Biblical view of the eternal destinies of the believer and the unbeliever - a view typically known as Annihilationism or Conditionalism. Enjoy the show!! For more on Chris and the whole Rethinking Hell crew and their work, you can visit rethinkinghell.com.
A biblical, theological, and pastoral examination of annihilationism and a defense of the traditional view of hell.
A biblical, theological, and pastoral examination of annihilationism and a defense of the traditional view of hell.
Professor John Stackhouse joins Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date to discuss his chapter on Conditionalism (or “terminal punishment” as he calls it), and his responses to other contributors, in Zondervan’s forthcoming second edition of Four Views on Hell. Links Four … Continue reading →
Dr. Tom Robinson, elder and senior minister at the Manhattan Church of Christ, joins Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date to discuss what he sees as the central significance of conditional immortality to many other areas of the Christian faith. Links Dr. … Continue reading →
Dr. Stanford E. Murrell and his son Adam Murrell, Reformed theologians and authors from Redeeming Grace Ministries, join Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date to discuss conditionalism and its compatibility with Reformed theology. This episode contains the second half of the discussion; listen … Continue reading →
Dr. Stanford E. Murrell and his son Adam Murrell, Reformed theologians and authors from Redeeming Grace Ministries, join Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date to discuss conditionalism and its compatibility with Reformed theology. This episode contains the first half of the … Continue reading →
Douglas Jacoby, author of the upcoming book What’s the Truth About Heaven and Hell? joins Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date to discuss his book, his unique take on Conditionalism which he calls Terminism, and his experience as a long-time conditionalist. Referenced … Continue reading →
Debate topic: “The final punishment of the risen wicked will be annihilation, the permanent end to the conscious existence of the entire person.” Chris Date, host of the Theopologetics podcast and contributor to the Rethinking Hell blog and podcast, affirms. … Continue reading →
Debate topic: “The final punishment of the risen wicked will be annihilation, the permanent end to the conscious existence of the entire person.” Chris Date, host of the Theopologetics podcast and contributor to the Rethinking Hell blog and podcast, affirms. … Continue reading →
Debate topic: “The final punishment of the risen wicked will be annihilation, the permanent end to the conscious existence of the entire person.” Chris Date, host of the Theopologetics podcast and contributor to the Rethinking Hell blog and podcast, affirms. … Continue reading →
Dr. Edward Fudge joins me to discuss annihilation as an orthodox alternative to the traditional view of hell. This episode contains part 1 of the interview in which we focus on Dr. Fudge’s book and the doctrine of annihilationism or … Continue reading →
Dr. Edward Fudge joins me to discuss annihilation as an orthodox alternative to the traditional view of hell. This episode contains part 2 of the interview in which I present Edward with common traditionalist challenges to his view. Listen to … Continue reading →