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Rick Malter is a PhD and a veteran in the space of hair tissue mineral analysis (HTMA) testing. He was around when it was just getting started and in the early 2000s he decided to retire from his psychology practice and devote all of his time to refining the art and science of HTMA to improve human health. In this episode he talks about Dr Paul Eck and Dr David Watts and their knowledge of Hans Selye's work on stress. He expands on how widespread magnesium deficiency is and how excess copper wreaks havoc on the mineral system. I ask him his thoughts on ascorbic acid and ceruloplasmin, where the excess copper is coming from, his thoughts on vitamin A "toxicity", vitamin D testing, zinc and copper ratio, coffee enemas, saunas, binders, Abram Hoffer and niacin, homeopathy, and more. I have interviewed several HTMA practitioners at this point and I continued to be fascinated with how they each approach it in a slightly different way. Rick does not think that coffee enemas are necessary to detoxify metals and he really focuses in on magnesium deficiency but also one's ability to retain it in the cell which requires vitamin A and potassium.  Rick's website: www.malterinstitute.org The Strands of Health book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0966041542 My website: www.matt-blackburn.com Mitolife products: www.mitolife.co Music by George Henner: https://georgehenner.bandcamp.com  

Join us as The First Lady of Nutrition welcomes Dr. Rick Malter, a well-respected top authority on hair tissue mineral analysis (HTMA) and the author of the groundbreaking book, "The Strands of Health: A Guide to Understanding Hair Mineral Analysis." Discover the surprising copper connections to female contraceptives, water pipes, and vegan diets and their potential contributions to a range of physical and psychiatric disorders. Could your ADHD, bipolar, or depression be linked to excess copper? Ann Louise, a long-time advocate of HTMA, engages in a thought-provoking discussion with Dr. Malter, unraveling insights from his 30+ years of research. Dr. Malter emphasizes how mineral imbalances, like copper excess, can impact thyroid and adrenal function, cardiac health, glucose regulation, and even contribute to issues like alcoholism. Delve into the fascinating realm of mineral balancing as Dr. Malter sheds light on these imbalances, including stress-induced magnesium depletion and its role in mental and physical health challenges. As Dr. Malter aptly puts it, "minerals are the spark plugs of life." Discover how a simple hair analysis can be your key to understanding and regulating optimal health and wellbeing.

I have another deep dive episode for you! In this episode, we are focusing on copper. I have a podcast episode that I did in season one that's all about the connection between copper and iron, but copper deserves its own episode. I will also do a separate deep dive on iron in season 4 of the podcast next year where I will be doing all deep dives for one season. Just a reminder before we jump into today's episode. This podcast is for informational purposes only. I will be mentioning some lab values, foods, and supplements surrounding copper, but it's important you talk about any changes you're considering with your medical provider. Resources:Free Training: Optimizing Hormone Health with Mineral Balance: https://bit.ly/3iwRDMk Mineral Imbalance Quiz: https://bit.ly/3ycEn4h Strands of Health by Rick Malter, Ph.D.The Mineral Fix by Dr. James DiNicolantonioMetabolic Type Podcast Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/understanding-metabolic-type-on-an-htma/id1568547321?i=1000527836892 Free Thyroid Training: https://bit.ly/3uDbDBi The Connection Between Copper and Iron episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-connection-between-copper-iron/id1568547321?i=1000528570432 Adrenal cocktail blog: https://www.hormonehealingrd.com/blog/adrenal-cocktail-recipes Scientific Studies:Metallothionein: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12022471/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11803037/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14627437/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4942874/ Excess copper/exposure:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15621934/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2626984/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3181/00379727-92-22512 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12011-009-8475-xhttps://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4612-5829-2_3https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10383875/ Copper water bottles/pots/pans:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312355/ Copper deficiency:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15762288/ 

Dr Rick Malter, PhD, hTMAP Today on the Mineral Minded podcast we have Dr Rick Malter. He is a retired clinical psychologist from Chicago, and is what I consider, to be a pioneer in the field of HTMA and Mineral Balancing Science. Dr. Rick Malter earned his Ph.D. in clinical and educational psychology from the University of Illinois and is the founder of malterinstitute.com Rick is the author of two books, Strands of Health: A guide to understanding hair mineral analysis and Shrinking the Judge: Freeing the Inner Child which are both available on amazon. Rick has also specializes in nutrition consultation for Learning Disabilities, ADD and stress management. He uses nutritional data from hair tissue mineral analysis to assess the mind/body connection and develops nutritional programs to help reduce the intensity of the person's stress response and, therefore the psychological dominance of the Judge.In this podcast, Rick refers to his Copper Toxicity Checklist. TranscriptNot yet uploaded!

Rick Fischer, CHHC, hTMAPRick is a leading expert in HTMA, copper toxicity, and mineral education. As the founder of coppertoxic.com, together with supporting international research and his various educational materials on the topic, Rick's work over the past decade has advanced public and practitioner awareness of copper toxicity. He works as a clinical HTMA practitioner as well as an instructor. Rick is a passionate advocate for maintaining the integrity and authenticity of HTMA and is the co-founder of the HTMA Virtual Summit – which strives to provide excellence and leadership in HTMA based health education. Rick is also the founder and teacher of the Mineral Mastery program, a course designed to bring vital mineral-based health education to both practitioners as well as the general public. You can connect with Rick at MineralsandHealth.com or visit his teachings at: www.MineralMastery.com and CopperToxic.com. TranscriptAnd honestly, John, like when I've had, I've had two mothers now, well, one mother with the morgue situation where her daughter was told there's no such thing as copper toxicity was on a copper IUD killed herself. And then the mother went to the morgue to collect the air sample, and the hair samples showed sky-high copper.Now, if the denial of copper toxicity didn't exist and people were educated in this information, we could literally be saving lives.Hey, Rick, welcome to the mineral minded podcast. Nice to have you here.Happy to be here, John.So I have seen you throughout the internet with all of your work on copper toxicity and hair tissue mineral analysis before we get into any real conversations because I know that you're really keen to talk about copper. Maybe you could just tell us a little bit about how you actually got into hair tissue mineral analysis because everyone has a bit of a different story and how it came to them.Yeah, certainly. I began this work back in 2013 after the incident that happened to my fiancee at that time, with copper toxicity stemming in large part from her copper IUD and some other factors as well. And because of the denial of hair analysis at that time by her doctor, she was led on a.You know, a dangerous, dangerous path, and it destroyed our relationship, our family and I just realized for several years just into the research of copper toxicity, which. Can only fully be understood when you look at copper in connection with other minerals.And in order to do that, you also need to. Utilize hair analysis because of blood tests, and we can talk more about this if you want, but a blood test alone is not enough to fully grasp copper toxicity.And this is why hair analysis is so important. And unfortunately, it's it's it's a test that has been attacked over and over again over the decades, which has kept it off the radar of a lot of people with tragic consequences.Wow. Yeah. So you come completely in that copper toxicity basis. Most people usually talk about their own health, but for you, it was someone in there you were in a relationship with and you've seen the devastating effects that that can have.Yeah, this was this was an act of love that got me into this field. I mean, I have a nutrition background to begin with and the health background, but I was never taught any of these, these deep mineral concepts or hair analysis and training.And just as I began my research and witnessing more and more of the denial of copper toxicity, first of all and the non-acceptance of HTMA or the misuse of HTMA and the vast numbers of people and women, especially who were affected by copper toxicity, that just drove me further to really get this information out there.That's fantastic, because, you know, Leslie said the blood test is limited, and I think we should be clear because we both of us primarily practice with their tissue in our analysis that hair testing is limited as well. But it's just understanding those limitations.And then if you can't see what you're looking for, maybe you should consider another test. And I think that's one reason why a lot of medical doctors have this veil of ignorance over them is because they kind of live in this, you know, blind range.It's the ultimate test and then they might do urine or something if they're looking for a kidney infection or something. But they overlook the simplicity of a hair test. And to be fair, I think it's because maybe it's a lot like when you went to nutrition school.I know it was when I went. I didn't really learn much about new minerals. Basically, it was like, Oh, they're important, they're essential for health. And then it goes calcium for bones, magnesium for bones and ATP. And then you just kind of brush over it and then it's.Like your kale and eat healthy and the very fluffy stuff.Here's some food sources for all of it. And now they have put a vegan twist on it all anyway. But it's basically to eat a balanced diet, which is the same thing the medical doctor says. And when it comes into practice, it doesn't always pan out that way.So I think hair tissue analysis is a critical tool, but we need to understand that because it's been vilified throughout history and even to some degree, maybe there was a kind of effort to destroy this whole perspective of hair testing that we definitely need to be mindful about.When you know you and I incorporate it into our practices to be a little bit more open about, you know, the limitations, but also like its validity and, you know, keep hammering home that like this isn't like a, you know, a bio energetic test that one person might test you and another person might test you for thesame thing and they come back complete opposites. You know, maybe you've had that experience with kinesiology where someone says, you know, you need copper, you need selenium, and then when you do an actual hair test, it's like now you really don't.Right? And it's like, I like that hair scan that we see on the internet, and some people come to me and they go, Hey, I've got a hair test and they send me this report that was done through a machine.Do you have any experience with that?Oh, John, I have experience with pretty much all the different types of hair out there, and there are a lot of them. And this just adds to the confusion because, you know, people think that a hair analysis is all the same and it is anything but.There are not only many labs and and forms of hair analysis, and not all are focused on what we are talking about here, in terms of nutritional their analysis. But as you mentioned, there's a biogenic element to it where you place, you know, a hair follicle on a disk and it gets beamed across the ocean and magicallysends back a beautiful report with results. I mean, I've received hair analysis. These hair analyzes from overseas where someone got their tests done by the local lab and magnesium wasn't even included. Now, I mean, you and I both know that made these last one.It's important minerals. So how can you even do a mineral test and not even test for magnesium? It's shocking. And then I've seen others where or a lot, where the practitioner or the lab is simply. Advising based on the the face value readings, OK, so if we use magnesium again as an example, a magnesium bar can behigh in the here analysis. Same thing with zinc or possibly potassium or other levels as well. And without proper training, they will just say, well, your level of that mineral is high, and therefore you should avoid it. In some cases, they'll say it's toxic, you know, avoided at all costs.And they are not understanding that a lot of these situations where a higher level is elevated is being caused by intracellular loss. So this concept needs to be understood by any practitioner offering hair analysis. And I find that many practitioners are not trained in that very simple concept.There's also the ignorance to exaggerate those exposures. What I mean by that is if a person has had an absence of baths, for example, and their hair contact the absence of bath water and their hair magnesium as high, again, that should be that should be a question that any practitioner asks of their patient if they see ahigh level. Is this a possible exposure source? What about, well, water if certain levels show high, maybe manganese or iron? So I don't just assume that it's a high level in the body. You know, ask other exposures. Could this person have had to have created this high level?Can I just say something on that, though? So one thing with the contamination thing, and I think this is something we need to consider as well, is it's not enough just to say, Oh, because it might be on the hair that you're, you know, have a burden of it or even a toxicity of it.But it's also something to consider that especially in the case of iron and manganese in, well, water, that if you've been exposed to that for years and you've been washing your body literally bathing in it, to some degree, it's where a contamination becomes an exposure because you've been consumed.It's like copper. It's if it's in the water and you have acidic water or even it doesn't even always have to be very acidic water. It can still pick that up. And yes, it can be a contamination, but you're also being exposed to that.It's like a welder and gifts for a plumber or something. You're exposed to lead and it's on the hair and they didn't wash it. OK, that's contaminant. But there's, you know, it's still a source as well.Absolutely. There is that transdermal absorption that does happen. So if you are. Bathing or showering in water that comes from your well or in, you know, you're in a swimming pool every day that's using copper sulfate. Your hair can show a very high level, but yes, there is that transdermal absorption that also happens.Yeah.I just I think it's important to talk on that now. So that would be a high level that comes from basically a contamination. And you touched on this loss that you think everybody should be. Well, I think as well, everyone should be aware of what this loss is.Maybe you can just share that because, you know, people that listen to this podcast are likely they might be practitioners, but they might not be, and they might be working with someone that's, you know, reading every level as face value.So do you.Want to just share about that a little bit?Certainly. So let me give you. I'll use a very easy example. People understand calcium and magnesium for the most part, right? These are two minerals that you can go to any any store, and you'll often see the calcium magnesium bottle.You know, that's the formulation where those two minerals are kind of combined because those two nutrients need to be in balance, they have a relationship. So in their analysis, quite often we'll see a very high calcium level paired with a very high magnesium level.So what does that mean? Well, the high calcium level is representing tissue calcification. What happens in that process is calcium is leaving the bone where it needs to be entering the blood and ending up in soft tissue. Well, as a natural response to body then pulls magnesium out of the cell to put magnesium into blood in aneffort to keep calcium in solution. You know, if you go back to basic, you know, chemistry class in high school in solution basically means it's soluble. So instead of having little calcium crystals floating around in the blood, we don't want that.The body protects itself by bringing magnesium into the blood to keep the calcium in solution. So you're losing magnesium from the cell where the magnesium needs to be, it's going into the blood. And then what is circulating gets picked up eventually by the hair follicle as as the hair grows out.Then it shows up as that elevated magnesium level. And this is very common now. So this this loss pattern needs to be understood. And also even stress stress can induce loss patterns, especially with things like magnesium and zinc, for example, we lose those minerals under stress.Mm-Hmm. So when a practitioner looks at a hair analysis and sees a high level, it's very important to be asking. The question is what is causing the high level? What's behind this level? And don't just automatically assume that it's a high level and the person doesn't need that nutrient.Yeah, that's fair. And I think with the stress and if zinc in magnesium and even B vitamins are like the first things to be, you know, utilized to stress, it's not always that like, oh, stress depletes these nutrients.It does, but it's only because the body uses those nutrients in response to the stress. So, you know, when you do have a stress and you find that zinc go up, it's probably because the body's utilizing it. And then it starts to get eliminated through the urine or something and can come from the sweat or some otherplace. And then.The.Zinc and magnesium are really interesting because both of those are synergistic with potassium, so you can likely still have a high potassium level or even a sodium level. The sodium potassium have that balance, right? So we see, at least in my practice, we see a lot of people that come in with a calcium channel, but then they'llalso have an elevated sodium and potassium. And, you know, I think on Thai, they call it like a saw three years. So for a pattern where they're not like the classical high calcium and magnesium and low sodium and potassium, they're more like a for high pattern.We would call it Ariel or like a three hives or something. And those to me are really stress induced losses of pattern because of minerals. Because if you're slow oxidizing, you shouldn't at least typically have a really high sodium or really high potassium.We need to ask why, and we know sodium and potassium is correlated with the adrenal gland, and the adrenal gland is what responds to that stressors right with aldosterone, cortisol and adrenaline, even. So, you know, we always going to be mindful of that.So I get a lot of clients that end up going to like a natural path here in Australia. And then they'll go, Oh, we did a hair test and we've already gone through an interpretation and they say, Oh, my natural gas and my sodium is high, so I need to avoid it.I have too much potassium in all of this, so I got to stop eating so much fruit or something. Do you find that in your practices while regular people use that at face value and then make like a big claim like, you know, just to avoid something where you should know?Absolutely, absolutely. You know what you're talking about there with the, you know, the slow three or yeah, or four highs powder. And that's typically a slow oxidizer under stress because as you know, you're under the surface, you're you're still in exhaustion state.But there's something causing the adrenals to kick in aldosterone to increase raising the sodium level and then with sodium and potassium tends to rise as well. And it's often a loss I can. I can tell you that the vast majority of people have a deficiency of potassium to think that anyone's potassium is, is, you know, in itstrace elements tested by lab. The ideal is ten milligrams per cent if we see a ten mg percent potassium. Yeah, in my opinion, it's unrealistic to think that person has a perfect potassium level. It's not realistic. In almost every case that potassium is reflecting a loss to some degree, most people, almost everyone has a deficiency of potassiumat the cellular level. So then if potassium is showing high, well, is it a loss? Is there something impairing potassium from getting to where it needs to be? And I see this. This is another misconception that I see quite often among practitioners where.You know, in one test, you'll have a potassium level at, say, two or three and then the next test, the potassium goes up to eight or nine. And on the surface, that looks good. And the client feels happy because they see potassium going up into a good range, and the practitioner says that's an improvement.Well, it can be. But are you asking is it is that simply an increased loss happening?It's possible. I mean, I think that's the value of interpretation and then actually evaluating because the other one comes as you can have people that live on coffee and cigarets or, you know, whatever sodium and potassium razors that increase adrenal response.And they might come back and they might have a diet completely deficient of potassium, but still have a good level of potassium on the hair test. So with me, I'm always suggesting that my clients aim if you're going to focus on anything with your diet, focus on your potassium intake and then because it's not easy to maketo reach that and that RDA or the RDA, depending what country or and it was a 4700 milligrams. And even there's some disagreement among government agencies. So what ideal potassium is, but that RDA is only the bare minimum we should be going for.And you know, I think it was the kind of ethic people were known to have. Like, what, 8000 milligrams of potassium? We can't. Yeah, I can't get that much, you know? So it's something to consider when you find some of the potassium levels or even high that maybe it's not exactly the case.Do you think that plays a role with even some of this reason why some people say to me is not accurate because they would say, Hey, my level's good.Grams.All the time is if you're simply reading a hair analysis at face value, you're going to get things wrong. Mm hmm. And this is why, you know, training and practice is so essential. And even just I know, John, you're making a course right now, which I commend you for doing it.Nothing can replace at this time. Nothing can replace practical experience. I get it. Getting the training is is important. Getting your certificate is step one, but then going into practice and working, you know, not with patience. Initially, work with your friends and family and practice this because you may and I see this too as someone gets theircertificate and you know, next day they call themselves a practitioner.Starting their business and they're now an expert.Exactly, exactly. Me is is so complex, you know, I don't think anyone can ever fully understand all the nuances of HIV. It's an ongoing process of learning, but it does take, you know, I say it takes at least 100 hair analysis analysis to analyze just to get comfortable with what you're doing.Anything below that you're still an apprentice.So I agree, because intercourse that was a concern of mine was book learning without practical experience. So trying to replicate that in our course became a real challenge. So we ended up doing case studies. So I would comment about various, you know, I think I did ten or 13 different case studies where I would go through, youknow, how I perceived this task, why I recommended things, but it wasn't like the, you know, the student learning their own experiential way. It was learning from someone else of what they've done and why they did it and then what the results came back as.So we can kind of show them over a year or two years what can happen if you do things? And then, you know, and I've honestly even been like, you know, I just knew intuitively they needed this and it wasn't indicated on the hair test.I was just like, Hey, they need this new training, you know, and then it seems to pan out. And the other thing is, so we tried to, at least in our course, we try to replicate a little bit of that mentorship with that.And then we also gave them actual case cases themselves. So we give them a hair test and an intake form and ask them to interpret it and, you know, type of thing up. And then we also ask them, Hey, do supplement recommendation, you know, and we did it for three, but you need more than three, you know, but it was to. So when they finish, it's not their first time doing it was kind of our goal so that it was at least they're it's not their first time working with someone and it's their mom, right?At least they would have been approved for something they recommended, you know, in the past.So tried to do this. Yeah, that's really important. That's one of the things that I do. I mean, I have trained a lot of practitioners and just even even doing ongoing mentorship as practitioners are are getting comfortable with with a state aid and they'll submit to me their their protocol.I'll review it and I'll give them my suggestions. And having that person to bounce ideas off of is, I think, really. And until you've done a number of these and really get comfortable with it, and like you said, there's also that an element of kind of intuition, we kind of start to pick up on things that Ithink only come with experience, you know, intuitive suggestions or intuitive understanding of what might be causing a certain pattern.You know, it's interesting, and I guess because we were talking about losses, we also got to consider, you know, stress like emotional stress, physical stress is a real thing. It's undeniable, but there's also that stress in the body due to chemicals or toxic metals that we might not see on that hair test.And there's lots of times I've been talking with someone. I said, Look, you're going to start dumping LED or you're going to start dumping it. Dumping this or mercury is another one because you see the lower zinc, you see the last millennium and we see, you know, low thyroid and you're like, there's going to be some mercurythere. You know, this person, they tune in for the last six. You know, where is it? And then the next has it jumped straight up and then, you know, it makes the client actually really believe you as well.And you can kind of foresee the future with what's going on. But then also, it's just that like there was no indication on the test to show that, well, the level itself, if you looked at mercury or whatever one that that was the reason why they had a high sodium or something, you know?So yeah, or low potassium, you know, blocking potassium from getting to where it needs to be. And again, this goes back to what we talked about earlier about reading a test to taste, telling you you cannot do that.So just because you don't see any toxic metals showing up in the hair does not mean that the body has no toxic metals in the body. It's not immobilized at that time. So if you see a zinc level at ten or eleven milligrams percent, and yet mercury is not showing, there is a pretty good chance that thereis mercury in the system. It's just not mobilized. And sure enough, then on a retest, maybe next retest or two test down the road, you'll see that mercury pop up or aluminum or arsenic, whatever it might be. And you know, a client then will sometimes be discouraged because they see that as, as, you know, a worsening oftheir condition. And again, this is where the practitioner has to explain this is not necessarily a worsening of your condition. This is your body. Now having the ability to mobilize that metal, which is step one, step two, is getting it out of the body, but at least you're mobilizing things now.Yeah.Of course. And it can take, you know, sometimes years to get metals out, you know, and you are always getting exposed as well. So it's kind of like, you know, you're trying to empty a bucket that's being filled at the same time and you want to kind of encourage the elimination quicker than the utilization.And that's where we need to take advantage of nutrients and how they antagonize and protect us from toxic metals, as well as encourage the elimination. So, you know, that's one reason why I don't really like like any color protocols or something where it's just like, take your cue later and then they're like, Oh, don't take it out, B vitamins, it has sulfur in it. It's like, you know how important sulfur is for detoxing. You can't just avoid sulfur and say, Oh, I'm detoxing because I'm taking a cue later to do it. And there are some cases where too much sulfur is contraindicated as well because sulfur can raise calcium.And but that kind of takes some practice as well. Do I use a methyl donor first oxidizer? Do you use them like taurine or HTMG or anything?Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Especially with something like copper. You know that that taurine that sulfur amino acid is so important to help escort copper out of the body. If you think about copper and we can talk about that next, if you aren't.Sure the.Copper toxicity, the primary root of copper toxicity to get out of the body is through bile and what supports bile will your sulfuric amino acids and taurine is one of those. So, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm applying taurine pretty much with anyone with with a blatant copper toxicity condition.I tell you if they're not, you know, if you're if you're on a meat based diet, you're eating lots of meat, then you're probably there's a good chance you're you're getting probably enough taurine, but especially if you're a vegetarian or vegan, you're taurine.Dietary intake is is minimal at best.I absolutely know because it comes from animals primarily, so, you know, taurine. I guess I just wanted to comment quickly just on this idea of addressing a hair test completely based off nutrient interactions can cause problems as well.So it's like just just only because we have taurine and like a slow oxidizer taurine is a muscle. Groups of like a sulfur and sulfur can raise calcium. And some people will say, don't take anything that would raise calcium if they have the calcium shell or if they have an elevated calcium.It seems like you're not in that camp, Rick, and I'm not in that camp, either. I will use something, even though it might be somewhat contraindicated, but it's because they have a reason for using it. You know, like, you know, sometimes, you know, even just using actually calcium or magnesium, and sometimes you can't use too much magnesiumor something, but you do need it still, and taurine is a good example of that. Or even HTMG, right? Yeah. The really important nutrients. And the other thing is those sulfur amino acids. Maybe you have some experience with this drink, but when you're going through copper dumps or like for those that don't know it, it's basically likewhen your body starts to eliminate that copper that was built up in the liver or in the nervous system, it can even be in the muscles. And once it starts to come out, it's usually you don't feel that great A and then B, they can have a really strong mental and emotional connection.And using sulfur amino acids like inositol coli, methionine, you know, taurine, even niacin can be really helpful to kind of curve that cop or dump symptoms to use it for that as well. Or is it just because you already recommend it that you don't use more?Or what do you? What's your thoughts on that, Rick?Yeah, no, I do use that. I just want to comment quickly on the word elimination because I find that leads to sometimes a bit of misunderstanding among people who are new to this. So when we think of elimination, we conjure up the image of the body, eliminating it, getting it out of the body.Yeah, and copper dumping really is not so much the elimination as it is the mobilization. Copper dumping is the mobilization of the copper out of cell and tissue into the bloodstream, and now it's mobilized. Things are dumping and then elimination is the next step is getting it out of body.Thanks for that question, because I just kind of, you know, breeze over it a little bit. But no, you're absolutely right. It is like that.Mm-Hmm. So in terms of the elimination aspect, yes, taurine and the sulfur amino acids are definitely or yes, sulfur compounds are definitely important for that. And it is during that dumping phase where copper is being stirred up and floating around in the blood that the reactions typically amplify.People don't feel good, and it's going to lead to the the heightened anxiety, the heightened panic reactions because there's that hypoglycemic reaction and this increasing adrenaline at that same time and adrenaline and anxiety and panic hormones. So, yeah, copper dumping from, I would say, most people who are truly copper toxic is not a fun experience.So again, then comes the education. People feel worse initially, and if they're not taught that this is part of the process, they might give up. And likewise, just because a person feels better immediately, does that necessarily mean that their healed, you know, likely not.You can drink. You know, boatloads of coffee and get a buzz and seal all revved up and stimulated and high energy, but does that mean your body is functioning optimally and you're in, you know, your energy is actually really good?No, it's a stimulant, and copper actually has a similar effect. Copper has a similar effect on the brain is the amphetamine. So then people are buying their copper supplements and getting, you know, feeling good initially, and they're not being taught about coppers effect on, you know, that mechanism, how it's a stimulant initially.So you have a lot of clients that initially come to you to feel better. And are you the one of the I know I do it. I usually tell them where you might feel worse. And then again, in the long term, you can feel better.But you know, once we start improving the body and taking away some crutches, you might not always feel the best ever. And you know, I say this to like, you know, even potential client. I'm a terrible salesperson because I'll tell them, like, you know, yes, in the long term honor on a program, you can feel better.But depending on your situation.I'm going to put you through hell for us.And you'll feel better only because of how bad you felt before. Not now. But that is a thing, right? Where some of those dumping and it's to some degree you can kind of predicted, but not always like you don't know when you're going to start dumping and then eliminating that copper.And some people will start dumping before their bodies, really able to completely eliminate and accidentally cause a real challenge as well. And it's hard for us to predict that with every individual, you know?Well, you want to be supportive. I mean, I see the protocols that are pushing the high. So let's go. Let's go back a step. A lot of my clients, the majority of my clients, because my specialty is copper toxicity and I work with well now thousands of copper toxic emails, a lot of them on copper IUDs.That is the the bulk of my my clientele. Yeah, and they're most of them are really struggling when they come to me with all kinds of health symptoms. The anxiety, depression, the overwhelming fatigue, exhaustion and then gut issues, I would say, would be the third thing.And then weight gain and other symptoms as well. But they're feeling like they're feeling horrible and all they want to do is feel better tomorrow. And it's not as simple as that. And you know, all the time I work with women who will have a copper IUD in their body.They take it out in the next day. The next week, they feel they feel better and they ask that their body is now balanced. No, it's not. You've simply taken a weight off your shoulder and in the sense of you've eliminated a toxin, a toxic exposure from your body, your body's breathing, a sigh of relief.And inevitably, you know, a month, six months down the road, they're struggling. So this is where the state comes in. So importantly, because that helps you understand what's happening with the mineral system. B, if you are, that's a good sign.Your body is not ready to be dumping large amounts of copper because it's going to be floating around and it's not going to be leaving your body. So work on. Of course, supporting the liver is supporting detox pathways supporting motility.Right? If you have to do a couple of weeks of some kind of a colon cleanse or taking some kind of a laxative or something just to get things flowing and moving, maybe a colon hydrotherapy as well could be employed, depending there's conditions where you wouldn't want to do that.But that's just a common sense thing to look at. What are your bowel movements? Anybody can ask that question.Yes, it almost every call, every day, every time I have a consult, a sign of where the bowel movements like know and they often sometimes especially those new clients on regular qualify. How regular are you? Are you going once a week regularly?Are you going, you know, twice a day? What is regular to that person? Because they might think it's normal to do that. And I've had clients, you know, once they begin the program, like at least the program I put together for them, they're like, Oh, it's a pain in the butt.I keep going poo. I think I'm going twice a day, sometimes now, and it's like, it's a real burden. It's got to be, do you know, like that's part like it shouldn't be a pain in the.Butt.To do that. But Rick, do you find that sometimes you know you're not trying to cause someone to dump copper, but it still happens anyway, because I've had this before when it's used, just give a couple of nutrients just to support metabolism.And then it just seems like they're dumping copper. And even the next test will find even an elevated copper that wasn't there before, and we didn't really try to do that. And then it's kind of like scrounging up, trying to give these things to kind of really improve, you know, bowel movements like this is to ensure thatit's being eliminated. That's what I find nowadays because I don't always try to get it out and it comes out sometimes.Well, look, I mean, you can do whatever you do with with nutritional guidance. And died in a very gentle way in that sense. But if the client has some major stressor going on or they decide to run a marathon or intense exercise, you know that's that's going to induce a don't.So it's not always what the practitioner is doing in terms of getting supplements like what is the person's level? What are they going through? What up, you know, because all those factors can induce dumping.Can I get your opinion on something? So there's a well known in nature may. There's kind of like a fork in the road where the roads divide, and it seems like as the road divides in different perspectives, it keeps dividing.So it turns into like this fractal, you know, division. Not everyone uses copper as a supplement. I know you work thousands of people with copper. So I know you have a lot of experience in this. Do you recommend clients avoid copper in their food?Do you use copper supplementation for those you know, people with copper excess or copper burns? Or do you just try and eliminate it all and antagonize.Come your thoughts? So first of all, there is there is no one size fits all protocol. Everybody is unique, bio individually unique. So I will never say that this supplement, this food. Everyone should take my opinion. That's dangerous, and I see that I see people who are copper talks.So, for example, a fast metabolism with low copper level, they might do quite well with beef liver, which is a high copper food, but is for people who are truly toxic. They might not be tolerating that beef liver very well, and I've seen people taking these because they've been told to and getting worse.So it's it's a bio individual approach and what I tend to do. We all need copper. This is also a misconception is that copper is all bad. It is not. Copper is an essential nutrients. Yeah. So there is this delicate balance between work supporting detox and detoxing copper, as well as supporting the bioavailability of copper.So it should never be all about trying to just detox copper and not support the bioavailability of it or avoiding all copper foods. Someone who has copper toxic with a very overt, clear copper toxicity condition. No, I do not suggest high copper foods is that need to religiously avoid everything 100% that has absolutely not intelligent in yourin your dietary choices. Know what's high, copper. Know what's not. And, you know, maybe avoid the beef liver. Maybe avoid the dark chocolate.I just had to ask because I know like Dr. X, like, you know, one of the pioneers in the field of copper, he had recommended copper.As.An especially. If someone has had high copper or they've been eliminating copper over a prolonged period of time, she would still suggest it. And his idea was that, well, the body just kind of dumps it all out, and it just tries to get rid of everything.And in doing that, it creates deficiency state. So he provides some to kind of support that. So. And I.Know.Dr. Watt's is very he'll use a lot of copper as well as those fast fours or something. You get ten mg, which is a big dose because they're trying to change the hair test itself. So that's why I asked is I know that like even the pioneers would have used copper, but that doesn't mean we have tohave going forward or at least be mindful on the dose if you do or consider food first in all of this stuff. So that's why I ask. It's not because, you know, it's a serious question, as.It is a serious question. I've seen I've seen both. I've seen more more so men than women experiment with pretty high dose copper and seem to be OK. I've seen also clients who've been taking copper or beef liver, and they feel horrible.And, you know, Dr. Rick Malter 40 years in the field, working largely with copper toxic clients. Yeah. Hill agree. Copper beef liver is not the best suited food for someone who is truly copper toxic. I'm somewhere in the middle in terms of I like me personally, I like to use.A product called beef organs or a blend of organs. Yeah. To when when copper is. When copper is low in the age to me, or I should say, I mean, copper is commonly low in the east, but in a fast metabolize or oxidizer pattern, I'm OK with the liver.But for a slow metabolism, I'm I feel much more comfortable. It's it has safer reactions to use a blend of organs. So, you know, there are beef organs products out there that have a blend. So there is still liver in the products, but it's usually at one fifth or one quarter or one sixth of the amount blendedtogether with other organs. So it has a much more balanced ratio of copper to zinc and iron.Okay. No, I appreciate that. You know, I've personally, I've had issues taking liver supplements, but I'm fine eating liver, and I think that was probably to do with processing or something as well. And you know. But you know, I've taken copper as a slow oxidizer, as a fast oxidizer.You know, if I might be this masculine Dan's a little different than the females. I've had clients where I'll try one approach, you know, and it might not work. And then I'll change to a different, you know, methodology because it just doesn't seem to be going the way that it's been expected, you know, kind of expected thingsto turn. So I'm kind of in the middle to where I'll use it sometimes. But then sometimes it's just that sometimes even that intuition, you just go, No, I do that. So, so I guess I got another question that a lot of people talk about using whole food vitamin C because it's got copper in the white tyrosinein there and say it's the true molecule vitamin C DS that you open to using just ascorbic acid because that can lower copper.Right?No, I agree with the use of force and vitamin C, and this is another controversial topic, as you said about it, agrees with this. But there is a copper molecule in the whole copper, iron and in the whole food c molecule.It is more supportive for copper. Again, we're we're considering detoxing as well as supporting bioavailability of copper. If the person has a deficiency of copper, then ascorbic acid to make that worse. Same thing with with oxygen issues you raise, ascorbic acid is is generally not ideal with oxygen issues, but whole food is tends to be better tolerated. So yes, I do use whole to see when appropriate.OK.Yeah.I rarely use it. I recommend people eat it, but I rarely use it. You know, tell him to avoid vitamin C containing foods because they're pretty much stuffed if they try. Almost even meat has, you know, a form of vitamin C dehydrate ascorbate.It's not technically ascorbic acid, but you know, they're just not testing for ascorbic acid when they do analysis. So it's still there. It's just in a different form.Right? Yeah, I mean, I would rarely use ascorbic acid, except in cases of true copper toxicity. You can use ascorbic acid to help bring down copper in, you know, immune function. Yes, we can. All the ascorbic acid, you know, short term said we started moving system that that's fine, in my opinion.And when people ask me, can I, can I have, you know, it's my birthday? Can I have a drink tonight? You know, can I can I take ascorbic acid, whatever it is? What matters is the things that you are doing day in, day out, long term.If you give them something for short term, a few days for a week, it's not the end of the world. What matters are the daily habits that you develop.I think so because we're looking on a hair test an average of three to four months, not micromanaging your life every day. So on average.This.Is what you typically do, not the one off things, you know, because I just think it's interesting that people kind of overlook that one. You know, it's like you have to be this purist person and everything has to be perfect.And personally, I think you should be able to do some things that aren't called healthy. And I think if you can do that and not reap the wrath of it, that's a sign of health, too. You know, like, I feel like if you have a bit of, you know, refined sugar and that knocks you off your horse, then I don't care how healthy you think you are, you probably know. I think I think humans should be able to take a little bit of stuff because, you know, like what happens if you go for a walk beside a road and a car comes by and blows smoke in your face?Is that going to like, you know, destroy your health completely? Like, I don't think health is that fragile. I think you should be able to adapt to those things and rebound very quickly. So, you know, the occasional drink or whatever, I don't worry about it exactly.You got to enjoy life, too. You got to find this balance where you're still enjoying ice and you have the flexibility to do so. It's a protocol is too rigid, any rigid dogma. I, you know, I think people so often then rebound in the opposite direction because they simply can't handle it and then they'll kind of rebeland rebound in the opposite direction.So it's like they say, tell a child, no, he's going to go, yes, right? So and not saying everyone that is childlike, but I mean, I'll admit I'll do that if scientists don't take copper. I've I tried it.I took 30 milligrams of copper to see what would happen because, you know, I've done it with every new. I just took a whole bunch of it just to see what its effects would be. And I felt if I'm going to recommend a clean take, you know, 100 mg of zinc, I better do it, you know, andsee what that's going to feel like if I at least add my own personal experience. So I've tried taking everything, you know, high dose or on high dose copper, then what I didn't do is iron, because I don't really like iron supplementation anyway desires to antagonize copper at all.Well, it can antagonize copper, but I don't use iron. No, I'm quite opposed to iron supplementation. And just in the past few weeks, I've had to two clients, both of whom have been on high dose iron supplementation. one was, I think, 325 mg of ferrous sulfate or six grams of elemental iron, and she's a lady in hertwenties or thirties. And then another was a two year old toddler whose doctor had put this toddler on. I believe it was 30 milligrams of of. Iron is just.A big dose for a little bit.Is it is the epitome of negligence, in my opinion, to to do that to a two year old kid. And not surprisingly, the majority of his symptoms and this other lady, they're both their symptoms were quite reflective of zinc deficiency, which is not surprising because we know more than 25 milligrams of iron is going to impair yourzinc. So that's two year old toddler. Most toddlers are born zinc deficient to begin with being put on high dose iron for his age, depleting his zinc. Causing a whole range of health issues and same thing with this young lady.So no irony, I believe, is being given without looking at what is the underlying cause if if you are diagnosed as anemic. You know, it's it's the the sad word. You know, you're anemic. What is the underlying cause of that and less?You have ongoing really heavy bleeding or you're a vegan. Aside from that, there is very little reason for a person to be anemic. It's an issue to do with iron metabolism, and that's got to be supported first.I agree.And you know, I always say because I don't like using it, if any, giving any mineral gives me an idea. It's I like and I've had to do it honestly. In the past, I just had to because we've tried and exhausted all other means and it was like, OK, let's try it.And then as soon as a person started taking iron, they started feeling nauseous. They started having a lot of issues of cramping and digestive issues and all of this. And it was like, I know what it is, is the iron, right?And that's why we don't like recommending it. But then, you know, I've had to I've had to recommend by, in some cases, a pregnancy near that last trimester. The baby starts taking a lot of the woman's blood. They didn't have good the kind of getting in a rock and a hard place as a practitioner and things likethat. So I have used it in the past and recommended it. But even then, sporadic use. You know, you don't have to take 30, 40, 60 mg every day. Take it. Occasionally, it's still going to bump your overall thing and on average, you'll have a higher iron intake, right?But yeah, I've had I've had to use it just had to be honest.Yeah. And like anything, whether it's iron, whether it's copper, zinc, magnesium, whatever it is, understand that all these minerals have interactions with other minerals. So if you're taking iron, then maybe it's wise to add in a little extra zinc because they they antagonize each other.And so if you're taking.On at the same time, though, hey.Sorry.Maybe not at the same time because they might block it, you know?Of course, of course. I mean it. The timing of the day matters as well. But during pregnancy, the woman's zinc level is also dropping right. So if you're taking a pregnancy, you've got to be mindful of, you know, of not making that natural zinc deficiency even worse or worse.Yeah.That's interference. He opens the door for copper to increase.Agree, I agree, but I agree. You know, I was thinking because we have a newborn that like a lot of the creams that they would use for like a rash or something, have zinc.Zinc in them? Exactly.It's very small amount. It's only a little bit of diabetes or whatever. But it was interesting to me because I was thinking like, you know, children on milk, which is milk is classically quite low and zinc. Maybe nature intended that you can always override like serum that their vitamin D deficient.So give them vitamin D and all of this. But it just got me thinking a little bit about how we use some zinc supplements and like, you know, even transdermal or something where as you get older, those things kind of go away as well.It's not like people regularly put zinc, you know, moisturizer on them. They usually use just whatever they use, which probably doesn't have zinc in it. So what happens, I think, is like this lack of consumption. And I know when I grew up, I went vegetarian because of the ethical reasons.And you know, I was I was one of those people. I thought I could get zinc from food as a vegetarian, so I used to go out of my way and eat ants. So ants were hot there. Black foods are high in zinc.Right?I'll tell you my first hair. She didn't think I was getting anything.I'm sorry you ate ants as a vegetarian. Did I miss something there?Yeah, yeah. Ants. So I wasn't like vegan. It was like, you know, I'd eat egg and have milk and dairy product, and I would eat ants, so. And cricket was kind of like I would do it, but they didn't taste that nice.So they were efforts, you know, like when you go to an extreme, how far more extreme you have to be to get something. And I was a whole food as I was like, I don't need to supplement, you know, I get it from food.So now I, you know, happily will take at least from me, and this is a little different for every person. But I usually go up to 100 milligrams of zinc and I don't have any issues at all when I take a dose like that, you know, in small doses throughout the day, whereas I've had clients like mywife who's not like, she's my client, kind of. I mean, I do our programs, but you know, when I first recommended her zinc, she couldn't do 25 milligrams, you know? And so I guess you would find that in your practice to people that can't all the.Time.Adobe.Guys can generally. Yeah, guys can generally tolerate a lot more zinc than women. You know, we were taking 50 mg or 100 mg is usually not a big deal for guys. For women, I, I rarely, whatever, recommend more than 20 fires.I would usually start off around ten or 15 milligrams and zinc. I call one of the more volatile minerals when it comes to supplementation just because the reactions are so individual. That's not to say that zinc should be ignored, and I, you know, I've heard, you know, not even to worry about zinc, and that's just utter nonsense. Zinc is imperative for so many things, including keeping copper in balance. Yeah, but in terms of tolerance, some people and women, some women can tolerate 25 mg, no problem at all, and some cannot even tolerate five milligrams or even 2.5 milligrams.It's that extreme where you're literally dabbing a wet fingertip into an open capsule and looking to think off your fingertip, and that's all you can tolerate. Yeah, but you know, it's a very individual and volatile mineral in the sense of tolerability.So you start, start low dose and gradually work your way up.I agree. And I mean, I'm quick to recommend the high dose, but I say that to every person start low and then build your doubt even with any program I put together, at least if I recommend to take things three times a day, I can't micromanage everything on a piece of paper of, you know, start this thatand then do that. It gets chaotic and confusing. So I usually just say start with the time slot or one or two products in a time slot in the morning. Start taking something and then see how you go for a bit and build it in.And because the reality is, it doesn't matter how experienced you are, you know, at least in my experience, isn't that how experienced you are? We can't predict how someone's going to respond to that. But even if we have seen this exact same pattern on a hair test 100 times, it's so irretrievable.It sounds.All right. So I guess I wanted to just bring up a little bit about some of the work you've done in HTMA. So you've done what copper talk sitcom you've done the virtual summit. So you're really trying to move the field in a new direction.Not a new direction, just to maintain the integrity of team me because I see it being quite the it's it's being led astray by different forms of TV that I do not feel are really supportive of the field of TV in general, and that includes the over automation of reports or just relying on, you know.So again, you'll be relying on over automation, different different types of ACMA that. Often don't follow proper like even at the lab, don't follow proper testing protocols. See, some is more focused on toxic metals. And then we talk about, well, is the lab washing the hair sample or are they not washing their sample?And if they're not washing the hair sample or regardless of what they do, it's not likely to affect the toxic metals. So if that is the focus of the DNA, then you can work with whatever lab you want to.But if the focus on nutritional hair analysis, which is, you know, relevant in this conversation with minerals like copper and zinc and whatnot, you want a lab that is not ideally washing the hair sample and following all proper testing protocol and the lab and the T lab are the two that have advanced this field the furthest andfollow, you know, all proper testing protocol and. There is it's very easy to, I think, attack HTMA when tests are misinterpreted, when HTMA is combined with all kinds of. You know. Woo woo angles and you bring it, you know, all kinds of controversial theories about weird concepts, I'm not even going to mention them here, but I knowit's it's been going on now for several years and.Well, incorporating religion. I think it a.Is religion, sexual preferences, politics, alien stuff, spirituality. I mean, if we want to be accepted clinically, we need to stick to the science and that is the focus. And that's the reason why for many years or for several years, I was we would get together.This is prior to COVID myself. Dr. Karen von Devora, Dr. Rick Malter, Rachael Neuman. Several of us would get together annually down in Sedona, and we were planning to launch a live event for teaching HIV to practitioners. And then COVID hit, so we switched direction and we ended up.Myself and Lisa Pitel killah, we decided to create the virtual summit. So annually we we run the virtual summit. You're one of our speakers, which we grateful to have you. And it's just about bringing the, you know, the real science and the real experience back to time where people can learn about minerals, about actually keeping the integrity of this field intact. I think it's very important. And then, yes, I do it in clinical practice as well. I mentor practitioners in this field. So yes, I'm well first in this mineral and I teach the mineral mastery course as well.So the mineral mastery course is the found is it's a foundational education for anybody interested in learning about minerals you. It's difficult to talk about minerals without a tornado. So I do teach about HIV, but it's not an HIV focused course.Okay? And that's one of the things that you that you're adding is your course is quite focused on today. But the Mineral Mastery Course brings a lot of unique insight into the foundational aspects of mineral related health reasons for imbalance and whether you are a practitioner or just in the general public wanting to improve your health.That's what mineral mastery is. Is about teaching.Cool. Yeah, because I remember Caesar must have been like at least ten years ago, and I know I'm a young guy, but I started off with minerals pretty early. I was fortunate enough to go to a few seminars and learn a thing or two when I was young because my mother was really into health as well.But am I saying that ten years ago when I first learned probably more, when I first learned about vitamins and minerals and the effect that they can have on people's livelihood and quality of life? And every time I tried to bring it up to other practitioners or anything, they talk to a doctor path.As a kid, I call up and ask Pat's office and just be like, You know, let's talk for a bit. I want to know what you do and what you know, because I thought, talk about being what I thought about doing.Cairo, I thought I went to. I called them all up and talk to them. But when I called them up, asthma, vitamins and minerals, they're like, Oh yeah, they're important. But our practice doesn't focus really on the Ramones and using progesterone and stuff.And it was like, I thought they were just missing something like minerals was like critical, like, you're made of minerals. How are you going to overlook what you're made of?Minerals regulate your hormones. Exactly. So, you know, I really appreciate you doing work on the educating about minerals, and it's not an easy task. It's like, where do you start? You know, when people say, Oh, minerals are essential. We're not saying like, Oh, they're critical.They're very important. We're saying, like, you can't live without them. They are essential to life. But people kind of just overlook that word. You know, they're like, Oh, hands, they're important. Like, No, you got it all wrong. You see, like, you know, you can't live without them.Yeah.So I find that unless somebody is a practitioner with, you know, a deep interest in learning or unless somebody is struggling with a significant health condition, and somehow they've been led to connect the dots to the underlying mineral imbalances.Most other people, they just their eyes glaze over if you say minerals are important. Oh yeah, I take a multivitamin.It's not had. I've had clients that are like working with other practitioner is really common. When you work with chronic health conditions and they go, Oh, I'm working with the practitioner of my thyroid. We're taking ashwagandha and I'm like, Great, really helpful for adrenal is really helpful for thyroid.What are you doing nutritionally to support this? Oh, I'm taking more binders and I'm taking this. And it's like.But when you die, you die and your selenium, your manganese, your zinc players.Exactly. And I'm like, Geez, you got to be. They have to be there like they don't come from nowhere. You know, I don't care how advanced meditator you are, you can't conjure up minerals. I know that there's breath areas that say they can, but I don't think so.Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, I've worked my client base. I've worked with everyone from the sickest of the sick to champion athletes, nutritionists, dietitians, people who have all the tools in their tool kit, functional diagnostic nutritionists. They all have supposedly the tools in their toolkit to eat and live healthy.And yet a lot of them have symptoms, even the elite, my elite clients have symptoms and they all they all have mineral imbalances. So does that just by eating healthy and doing everything right, you're going to have a balanced mineral system is wishful thinking.Things so, you know.Absolutely.I really feel that the mineral aspect to health and nutrition is one of the well, I would say it's the most overlooked and yet important aspects to health and nutrition. Furious six.Yeah, I think minerals are more important than vitamins because you need minerals for vitamins to work.Exactly.So even sometimes, you know, people are like, get concerned. How do you discern better thiamin deficiency in my? Well, I want to make sure that their adrenal function is working in general, not just thiamin, not just vitamin, but not just vitamin B5.Am I so admire practice, and I'll speak for myself because I don't know entirely about what you do, but I like to recommend nutrients in general and then do a kind of mineral balancing approach. So I don't want a client of mine to be deficient in vitamin C.I don't want a client to be low and be one and be to any of them and make sure you're getting at least the RDA. And then I'll do the other stuff because especially if you're working with chronic people with chronic health issues and if their minerals are imbalanced, they're likely deficient in multiple vitamins as well.So I don't care if they're far lovers. And you know, for low pattern, people often say don't give B vitamins, it's a too stimulating. Sometimes a little bit is needed, I think at least and I will provide them, you know what I you know, and sometimes especially that for low case.And I mentioned this just because I know that there's different camps of approaching it.But you know.People often use sedatives and nutrients, calcium, magnesium, zinc. I find that there's two different situations there were. Some are depleted and they honestly just need to be to put the adrenals to bed like Dr X has put him to sleep.Not like a vet, but like, you know, I make them tired. And then there's the other group that are just so depleted they don't have the nutrients to actually have energy anymore. So sometimes I'll give, you know, for a load pattern, a little bit of B vitamins and then slow them down.And for others, just and this comes from a conversation. It doesn't come from a mathematical equation on a hair test. You know, this pattern equals this dose. It's Hey, we need to give some more B vitamins regardless of the hair test and, you know, support your body's ability to recover, you know, so I'm kind of like inthe middle. So, you know, I think minerals are so important that I'll recommend them, even if it's somewhat contraindicated, sometimes on the hair test.All right.Do you have any shout outs before we end this conversation? I think it was fantastic.Yeah, I would just encourage everyone listening, whether you're a practitioner or just the general public to dove deeper into this mineral world and to learn as much as you can. You know, I want to say I take John's course, take my course.John, your is coming out when early next year.We're hoping next in 2023. 20, of course, is done. It's just, you know, there's a little bit of errors on slides. And in the beginning I had microphone issues and camera issue. And so like the content done, it's just redoing it all over again with one fine tooth comb to make sure that everything is good.Because I feel to be honest, at least without my course, is that I felt like there is a need for a more in depth on hair testing and not just hair testing. We go into, you know, the principles and philosophy of natural medicine, which is, I think your principles and your philosophy guide your whole practice.So I was to me, it has to be a part of your perspective when you learn a STEM, because if you come from it thinking replacement therapies the best or if you come from it, thinking reductionism, bring it down to single things is the best that's going to affect your practice down the road.And so we wanted to kind of at least educate you or our students on what, you know, at least the natural perspectives are. It's up to you if you can believe them, you know, like dogmatic, but it's at least bring them to the table and talk about holism and this kind of stuff.And then we did like a separate course on nutrition, and we just covered the foundations of nutrition. What does Barry Barry look like and do we see it in clinical practice? We might not find the diagnosis, but we still find people deficient in B vitamins, you know, and if you have a client like dermatitis and diarrhea andtheir memories going, I would be considering vitamin B3 know regardless of the hair test, less kind of support that. And we talk about the limitations of symptoms and the limitations of the test as well. And we still encourage people to keep going after our course, which is 100 and something.Ours was 150 hours of recorded information to keep going and learning because life is about learning, you know, get to start just like, all right, I'm an expert, I'm still learning. I'm forever reading textbooks on vitamins and minerals, PubMed articles, you know, reading wreck stuff, your articles, watching your stuff, watching other practitioners in the field to seewhat they are coming up with. So I really, you know, keep learning. As you said, it's just this is the way of life.Absolutely. Yeah. And so the mineral mastery course, which I teach mineral master recom this, as I said, is a course for both practitioners, as well as the general public going deep into the minerals reasons why we have mineral on balance.You know, things like zinc deficiency, which is so often overlooked and the myriad of reasons why zinc is important and why we have imbalances when saying consume with magnesium and copper, especially, I mean, I am the copper guy.So this course is the the the fundamental course for learning about copper toxicity and dealing with copper toxicity. This course can be life changing. And honestly, John, like when I've had, I've had two mothers now. Well, one mother with the morgue situation where her daughter was told there's no such thing as copper toxicity was on a copperIUD killed herself. And then the mother went to the morgue to collect the air sample, and the hair samples showed sky high copper. Now, if the denial of copper toxicity didn't exist and people were educated in this information, we could literally be saving lives.So I'm very passionate about getting this information out there and helping support young women, especially with this vital health knowledge.They're doing a great job, especially with your website copper talkSPORT.com. I go to it. I send clients to it, especially as soon as I get a test and it comes back with like copper immediately. Go check out that website, you know?Well, thank you, sir. I got a lead. I could probably add some of these to it. It's it's, you know, several years old now. But the downside.Is the way it's always that way you learn and then, you know, it takes a little while for it to reach the websites. It's also another reason why it's great to work with you or work with a practitioner because they don't always have time to update their website.Update saying right assistance those times. I don't have the time right now to be tweaking the website. But yeah, I was through it in a very easy to understand way because the corporate side is, you know, there's a lot of information there that can be overwhelming.So I teach things in a step by step progression easy to understand connection between minerals and vitamins, connection between minerals and toxic metals, and how understanding the mineral imbalance helps you understand toxic metals. How to detox those toxic metals.All of that. So one thing that in terms of shout outs, John, I will simply mention this for your listeners. I

Dr. Rick Malter, Ph.D., is a pioneer of HTMA, using this diagnostic testing in practice for over 4 decades.  In this episode, we talk about HTMA and the validity of balancing minerals during pregnancy.  This is a must-see!!!  Learn more about Dr. Malter by visiting malterinstitute.org. Find more free resources at lisapitelkillah.com or follow me on social media @lisapitelkillah.  

Dr. Rick Malter is a leading expert in hair tissue mineral analysis and how mineral imbalances affect stress and energy. Since his retirement from his Psychology practice in 2001, Dr. Malter has devoted his time to research and the application of nutrition and hair mineral analysis in his consulting business. In this discussion we talk about the following in chronological order:Dr. Rick Malter’s story.The importance of the HTMA test vs bloodwork vs urinalysis.Slow vs fast metabolizers.If we know other factors like adrenal health can impact the HTMA, how do we know if we are salt deficient or adrenal insufficiency?What is recommended for slow metabolizers.Copper toxicity.What would happen with overcompensating with zinc?Dr. Rick Malter’s thoughts on iodine.In general, should we supplement with sodium, magnesium and potassium?  Adrenal cocktail.Why do low carbers struggle with balancing their electrolytes?Thoughts on a low-salt diet.Preferred forms of magnesium and potassium.How does stress affect our minerals?What about sleep? Does it have anything to do with mineral imbalance?Thoughts on vitamin D.Food recommendations for potassium.Ratios.Fiddler on the roof syndromes. How historical situations affect our overall health.Psychological judge and stressWhere to find Dr. Rick Malter-------- RESOURCESRedmond Sea Salt. Use code NWJ for 15% off: https://shop.redmond.life/?afmc=NwJ​Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis. Use promo code HTMA20 for $20 off. Promo code expires 3/20/2021 - https://nutritionwithjudy.com/shopping/health-tests/hair-tissue-mineral-analysis-htma-comprehensive-hair-test-written-report/Website: https://malterinstitute.org/Copper toxicity symptoms checklist: https://malterinstitute.org/pdf/Health_History_Checklist_6_2011.pdf -Magnesium spray - https://amzn.to/3e16SuSDr. Rick Malter's Books - https://malterinstitute.org/books-videos/-------- CHECK OUT MY BOOK, CARNIVORE CURE: https://amzn.to/37R4lOY_____ADDITIONAL RESOURCES: 1) Nutrition with Judy BLOG: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/blog/ 2) Nutrition with Judy Resources: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/resources-------- FIND ME: 

Magnesium is such an important mineral!  Join me this week with the one and only Dr. Rick Malter as we talk all about HTMA and his experience with magnesium deficiency.  Magnesium is such an important mineral and is involved in our 600 enzymatic processes....find out why Dr. Rick is called "Magnesium Man".  Give us a like and visit my website Killah.org to join our mailing list to get notified when new podcasts are released, as well as a jam packed monthly newsletter with special deals and discounts!  You don't want to miss out.  Follow us on instagram @coach.killah.

Kendra Perry joins us today as we’re digging into what mineral levels mean for your fertility. Kendra Perry is a Functional Diagnostic Nutritionist who helps women break-free from Hormonal Hell so they can stop being a slave to PMS, weight gain and unpredictable mood swings. She helps women balance their hormones naturally with functional lab testing including GI pathogen screening, hormone testing, metals testing and mineral analysis. Kendra is an expert in detoxification using Hair Mineral Analysis and has trained under both Dr. Rick Malter and Dr. Lawrence Wilson. She is currently the head clinical adviser for Functional Diagnostic Nutrition, training other health practitioners in minerals, metals and detoxification protocols. In January 2018, Kendra was awarded Women's Nutritionist of the Year & presented Global Healthy & Pharm Excellence Award for Innovations in Women's Health. She resides in Nelson British Columbia where she is a passionate skier, mountain biker, hiker and rock climber. In her downtime, you will find her on the beach drinking kombucha, eating strawberries and listening to true crime podcasts. Website: http://kendraperry.net Grab your FREE Hormone Assessment at - www.kendraperry.net Download your free fertility yoga video. In this 20-minute intro video we focus on a calming and peaceful practice to connect back to our heart. These simple yoga poses can help quiet negative thoughts and make you feel more in control. www.yogafreebie.com Book your Free Supercharge Your Fertility Discovery Call here: https://intakeq.com/booking/cZ7XW6 Don't forget to check out my Resources page for more information and products that will help you on your fertility journey.

Dr. Rick Malter talks to Wendy about the history and future of hair mineral analysis. Who invented it? Who are the major advancers of the field today? And what are some exciting developments in HTMA? Learn why it’s such an effective tool for naturally healing health conditions. Transcript Click here to view the full transcript for #66 The History and Future of Hair Mineral Analysis with Rick Malter.   About Rick Malter For the past 30 years, Dr. Malter has had a strong interest in nutrition and hair mineral analysis.  Before he retired from his clinical psychology practice, nutrition and hair mineral analysis were valuable components of the services that he offered to his clients -- children, adolescents, and adults.  In 2002, he wrote The Strands of Health: A Guide to Understanding Hair Mineral Analysis.   This book introduces the basic concepts related to understanding hair mineral analysis.  Dr. Malter continues to offer hair analysis consultations and many different kinds of seminars on his site Malterinsititute.org. In 1971, Dr. Rick Malter earned a Ph.D. in Education and School Psychology from the University of Illinois. He is a licensed nutrition counselor as well as a retired clinical psychologist.   Works The Strands of Health: A Guide to Understanding Hair Mineral Analysis Rick Malter, Ph.D. gives an introduction to understanding hair tissue mineral analysis (Hair TMA) and its role in preventing disease and maintaining optimal energy and health. This book relates nutrient minerals to chronic fatigue and other common health problems that are poorly understood by traditional medicine and psychiatry. Drawing on over 20 years of personal and professional experience with hair TMA, Dr. Malter explains how the mind and body are closely connected by the effects of stress and other life style factors on nutrient minerals. This is a comprehensive book that will help you to make sense out of the vast amount of health and nutrition information that often seems contradictory and confusing. If you take vitamins and minerals, this book is essential reading. Get the book. Shrinking the Judge: Freeing the Inner Child Shrinking the Judge: Freeing the Inner Child describes the Judge part of everyone's personality and how the Judge dominates a person's Inner Child part. The book makes it easy for most people to gain a better understanding of their experience with the Judge in themselves and in others around them. Many personal stories in the book help to illustrate how the Judge can bring on anxiety or depression, how the Judge fuels addictions and dysfunctional behavior. The authors use many examples to show how it is possible to "shrink" a person's Judge image and free the Inner Child. This results in increased self-confidence, joy in living, more creativity, and greater experience of spirituality. One client told the author that this is the best "self-help" book she has ever found. She could dump all of the rest of her self-help books, but she constantly makes use of Shrinking the Judge: Freeing the Inner Child. She discovers something new every time she picks up the book. Get the book. Find Rick Malter MalterInstitute.org  If you’re enjoying the Live to 110 podcast, please leave Wendy a review in iTunes. Thanks! Are toxic metals causing your fatigue and health issues? Find out by taking Wendy’s Heavy Metals Quiz at