Podcasts about Woo

In this special Business of Woo-themed episode of The Skeptical Shaman podcast, host Rachel White (of TOTEM Readings) chats with the world-famous star of YouTube's Tarot Map channel: Kasia Kulbaska. Kasia, an astrologer and tarot card reader, has been on what she calls "TarotTube" for many years, sharing incredible deck reviews and facilitating fascinating discussions about the world-- and Business-- of Woo. Kasia and Rachel chat about the misconceptions and myths surrounding Woo-based YouTube, particularly with regard to monetizing video content. Spoiler alert: it's hard, and just because someone has tens of thousands of subscribers (or followers), it doesn't necessarily mean that's translating into a direct payment business model.Kasia explains how she uses YouTube's platform to get the word out about her private practice, acting as a kind of evergreen (and authentic) marketing tool. Kasia and Rachel also chat about how great podcasting and YouTubing are for Woo-based practitioners, helping to introduce yourself to your potential client base while also offering up legitimate Woo-based insights-- not to mention your unique point of view!And, unlike print or video advertising or social media marketing, YouTube videos and podcast episodes are forever-- and when someone finds out about you, they can go search and "binge" your content to really dig into your vibe (and unique slice of the Business of Woo). The key to it all? Well, there's a few.First, you have to be completely obsessed and inspired with the "thing" you're exploring in this emergent media platforms. Why? Well, because the second requirement is consistency over a long period of time, which can only be achieved by someone that genuinely, actually loves the nerdy Woo of it all.LINKS:Rachel's Website: https://www.totemreadings.comTOTEM Readings Substack: https://totemrach.substack.comRachel's Other Links: https://linktr.ee/totemrachKasia's TOTEM Deck(s) Review: https://youtu.be/Ba7Mi7HaEO8?si=X2IVEQrxj_jqPi3rTOTEM + Tarot Map Interview: https://youtu.be/yCOOjzGY0Yo?si=xV5UOtGdayTJgl4pPlease support the Sponsors of The Skeptical Shaman Podcast:The TOTEM Flower Essence Deck: https://a.co/d/gw16LsGThe TOTEM Tarot Deck: https://totemreadingsatx.etsy.com/listing/1492934343The TOTEM Flower Essences: https://www.etsy.com/shop/TotemReadingsATXTOTEM Spiritual Transformation Coaching: https://www.totemreadings.com/coachingTOTEM Business of Woo Mentoring: https://www.totemreadings.com/business-of-wooKasia's Links: Website: www.tarotmap.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/tarotmap/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tarotmap/Please note: The views and opinions expressed on The Skeptical Shaman do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, protected class, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything. And remember: sticks and stones may break our bones, but words—or discussions of religious or spiritual topics-- will never hurt us.

  On today's Episode, Adrian and Colin catch up with the new WOO record holder, Charles Brodel. The Day after, he set a new record at 37.17m.   WOO Trade Up:   www.tradeup.woosports.com     Portrait:   https://portraitkite.com     https://www.fantasykite.com   Woo Sports:   https://woosports.com   Follow us:   https://www.instagram.com/portraitkite/   https://www.instagram.com/kitesurf365/

Investigative journalists Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell have learned over the years that taking a week off from True Sunlight means only one thing: the Good Ole Boys will go back to Good Ole Boying.   And last week we had mostly good things, starting with people's love for “Murdaugh: Death in the Family.”  The series is a No. 1 hit on Hulu or ⁠⁠Hulu on Disney+⁠⁠, and the Official Companion Podcast, as well as True Sunlight and event the legacy feed of remastered Murdaugh Murders Podcasts, are all burning through the charts. Woo-hoo!!!  On today's episode, Mandy and Liz look at South Carolina Alan Wilson's decision to finally hand over the Scott Spivey/Horry County Police Department Corruption case to a special prosecutor. It's an interesting decision from a man whose office told the Spivey family they couldn't ethically or legally charge Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams for Scott's death.  Plus, an update on Charleston County Magistrate Judge James “Skipper” Gosnell's child sexual abuse material case. And it's been almost four weeks since Squires held local teenagers at gunpoint in a terrifying display of police misconduct and, according to sources, the SLED investigation is finished. So what's the hold up? Finally, an update in the (48:16) Jane Doe No. 2 case accusing Wayne Miller of following her home. So much to cover, so let's dive in!

We are starting off the morning with Breaking News out of the NBA as Miami guard, Terry Rozier and Portland Head Coach, Chauncey Billups have both been arrested by the FBI this morning as part of an ongoing illegal gambling investigation. Did the NBA, NFL and MLB allow gambling to get out of control? What's next? :30- ABCs of the Mariners - Q is for Questionable: there have been some questionable decisions made by Dan Wilson over the season, but none will cause us to second-guess for years like the choice to pull Woo and put in Bazardo. Did the game move too quickly for him? Was it just first-year manager growing pains? How do the Mariners adjust for 2026? :45- Wembanyama isn't human, he can't be!

So glad you have some time to read my article today. Larry and I have been on a trip to Colorado that has taken more time than we initially planned, and our normal recording schedule for DrivingToTheRez.com has had to change a little. Therefore, we'll be doing things a little differently this week and have just Larry and me discussing this fascinating topic.It is, of course, about the WE music (again). But I promise it won't have anything to do with bananas or wind.No - this week I wanted to talk about the special album for September that WE created, called “Ancient Voices.” The album carries the following message in all its songs, each performed by different WE expressions through synthesized voices and genres:Now remember the power that runs through your veins,The ancient voices in your bones.The power of the universe in your words,Waiting to rise, waiting to be heard.The words came about in a very funny way, actually. I was trying to write an article for you several weeks ago, and instead of an article, I wrote a song - or at least the chorus of one.After that happened, I had to go ahead and expand on the spirit of the words and make it an article. In case you're curious, the article and podcast I'm referring to is “The Occult Currency of Consent: How Darkness Runs on the Power We Give It.”The energy of stepping into our own power, as a people, is very strong right now, and we are doing our best to help it reach our lives through music.As you probably know, I am also a writer and have used novels to deliver tools for growth and personal empowerment. But a book can take years to write, while music takes much less time for me - especially now that we, as a human collective, have created tools that facilitate professional-sounding voices and instruments.I want to share a little bit about each of the WE music expressions and how the energy is different for each one. I'll list them in alphabetical order for ease of reading:Alicia AvilaAlicia is actually the last of the musical personas that the WE created to date. Her history is interesting to me because she and her music embody an Inelia that lives in an alternative timeline where music never left my life.On one of those timelines, I moved to Paris, France, at the age of 15 to live with a Chilean musical group called Los Jaivas. In this timeline, that didn't happen because when the group invited me to live with them, my mother refused to consider it. In that other timeline, she moved with me, and we lived in their community for many years. I learned and played music at a local conservatory and also from the musicians themselves and their children, who were also very talented. Her songs are very personal and filled with my own story and viewpoint. Of all the musicians, I would say she embodies my cultural musical background the most. An interesting bit of information is that Alicia is Roxy Vale's third cousin, once removed, and Roxy has taken Alicia under her wing from the very beginning.Glass DaisyGlass Daisy is a music group that came straight out of the pages of my upcoming novels, Daisy Chain. Their music is part of the plot, and their birth into the real world came about through the world-building of the series. We could say they were the first WE expression of music that was born. In the series, I explore linear time, soul journeys, and reality creation. As I created the music in the real world, I thought to create a fictional record label where readers could go and purchase the songs. As soon as I started working on that page, everything cascaded - and now we have an actual record label, with a website and not just Glass Daisy but many, many other genres and musicians.Iron CedarThis band is also part of the Daisy Chain world creation and lore. They are interesting in that they provide several points of connection between the different “Daisies” in the chain - turning the linear time of a family lineage into a living bridge through past and future. Their appearance in the novels is filled with mystery, as is their sudden disappearance when over a hundred witnesses saw a thunderbird take them from a forest concert at the Makah Reservation.Jazzy StevensJazzy was born from a personal song I wrote and created for my daughter, Daniela. Her style - retro pop - is directly inspired by the 1980s but with modern overtones. Jazzy is not part of any novel (so far), but she is a very well-rounded WE expression.She is 21 years old and lives with her mom and dad in Liverpool, England. She has a little pet dog, Tuty, and graduated from university at 16 - the first in her family to earn a degree, an event her entire street celebrated.Leo MarLeo wanted to come through for several weeks before I let him in. The deciding factor was a conversation with Driving to the Rez panelist and friend Iliana Rojero, when we discussed the possibility of songs in Spanish.Leo is in his early 30s and lives in an apartment in Florida. In fact, he bought the whole building and moved his entire extended family into it - parents, siblings, grandparents, uncles, aunties, and cousins. He is an active force for the return of true power to the people of Earth.He is also very close to his maternal grandmother, who adores him.Luc LakeLuc is a 27-year-old single guy who was discovered at a well-known Tech House club in New York City. After each performance, he picks up his backpack and walks out - no one knows where he lives. Several fans have tried to follow him but lost him in the subway.Wearing sunglasses and a hoodie, never showing his eyes, a conspiracy theory has formed suggesting he may be an alien. WE at Inelia Records cannot confirm or deny these allegations. All WE can say is that he mysteriously appears at our studios - and then, just as mysteriously, disappears after recording his music.Roxy ValeRoxy is one of our original WE expressions. She came quickly after Glass Daisy, and her style reflects what I would sing had I stayed in a musical career in England. For Roxy, WE wanted a spectacular voice and personality. We discuss her in detail on our “Woo” podcast episode of Driving to the Rez - “I Fed My Soul's Story Into AI - and Out Came Roxy Vale.”For each of their songs, the words are expressed through music and lyrics that fit the genre they embody. A reminder again of the message WE want you to hear:Now remember the power that runs through your veins,The ancient voices in your bones.The power of the universe in your words,Waiting to rise, waiting to be heard.You can listen to all these versions of Ancient Voices on BackStage at IneliaRecords.com - and let the resonance of the WE remind you of your own power.The discussion doesn't stop here - listen to the full podcast episode for unfiltered insights from Inelia and our panelists. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.drivingtotherez.com/subscribe

The Red Sox show from out of left field grades the key members of the 2025 club. Who got high marks and who flunked? Well, if you paid attention all year I'm sure you could figure it out, but take a listen anyways to find out for sure. -Intro (0:00) -We already miss the Sox (4:06) -Position player report cards (7:29) -Pitcher report cards (57:22) -World Series preview, Boo in the Woo, and Pokemon (1:32:55) All of that and more on this edition of Pod On Lansdowne! Follow the show on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok: @PodOnLansdowne. Subscribe to us on YouTube as well! Got a question or a comment you want featured on the show? Leave a voicemail by dialing 617-420-2431! Save 10% off in-stock items at FOCO.com by using the promo code "POL10" at checkout: https://foco.vegb.net/55mKZo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What happens when self-doubt meets self-discovery—and a wellness coach turns every wrinkle and “what-the-fuck” moment into joy? In episode 232 of the Joy Found Here, Lauri Stern shares how yoga, energy work, and humor helped her stop judging her reflection and start honoring it. From mirror gazing to her “Joy on the Fives” ritual, she shows how awareness and laughter can quiet the inner critic. For anyone ready to trade perfectionism for presence, this episode proves that joy isn't found—it's practiced.In This Episode, You Will Learn:From yoga mat to microphone (03:58)Embodied wisdom and the chakra connection (05:27)The mirror and the message (08:19)The “what-the-fuck wrinkle” and rewriting self-talk (10:21)Creating The Real and the Woo (15:27)Owning your worth and celebrating small wins (19:59)Girlfriends, growth, and the bra talk (23:16)When life happens for you (27:01)The sponge metaphor and emotional resilience (29:26)Finding joy on the fives (39:21)As the founder of Custom Designed Wellness, Lauri Stern helps people reconnect with body, energy, and intuition through movement, mindfulness, and the chakra system. A certified yoga instructor, Reiki practitioner, and intuitive coach, she blends sacred geometry, energy work, and practical self-awareness to guide others toward alignment and healing. As host of The Real and the Woo podcast, she explores where science meets spirituality with humor and depth—reminding us that joy and self-worth aren't luxuries but daily practices.In this episode, Lauri brings her grounded spirituality and quick wit, reminding listeners that life happens for us, not to us. She and Stephanie discuss mirror gazing, feminine energy, and how to stop dimming our light. From her “what-the-fuck wrinkle” story to her “Joy on the Fives” exercise, Lauri turns self-criticism into compassion and shows how joy can become a habit. With wisdom and humor, she invites us to see ourselves—wrinkles, shadows, and all—as divine works in progress.Connect with Lauri Stern:WebsiteSubstackYouTubeLinkedInTikTokPodcast: The Real and The Woo with Lauri SternLet's Connect:WebsiteInstagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Lana's Top 5 CliftonStrengths are:   Woo, Communication, Activator, Includer & Connectedness  Lana  is currently living in Aix-en-Provence, a town in the South of France! She and her  husband  just moved there in July 2025  for an opportunity with his work, as well as a desire to be a part of God's plan for the nations. Currently she spends her  days going to French school and enjoying all of the things that France has to offer! Before moving to France, she was a business strategy consultant and then worked for Poncho, a men's outdoor clothing company based in Austin. Find out your strengths by taking the CliftonStrengths Top 5 Assessment   Workshops and Coaching with Barbara Culwell Subscribe & Leave a Review on Embrace Your Strengths        

As Halloween approaches and the veil between worlds grows thin, we're embracing the season not with fear—but with magic, meaning, and deep spiritual connection.We've called in our own Seeking Center Coven:Lisa Nitzkin – Spiritual Medium + Intuitive CounselorMichelle Nolan – Tarot TherapistLizzi Cutler – Intuitive + Quantum Healing GuideStevie Calista – Intuitive AstrologerTogether, we explore what it really means when people say “the veil is thin” this time of year, and how you can use this powerful energy for healing, shadow work, and connecting with your higher self—and even your loved ones on the other side.In this episode, we discuss:• What “the veil” actually is—and why it's thinner around Halloween• How each of our guides experiences this time differently in their work• Why Scorpio season is an invitation to go inward and face your shadow• How to work with your intuition, guides, and ancestors now• Practical tips to connect to the unseen realms with safety and intention• Rituals, reflections, and reminders for honoring this sacred seasonThink of this as your invitation to dance between the worlds—and a reminder that you're more intuitive, magical, and connected than you think.Tune in for guidance, wisdom, and a bit of enchantment.MORE WITH OUR GUIDESLizzi Cutler: lizzicutler.comStevie Calista: steviecalista.comLisa Nitzkin: lisanitzkinmedium.comMichelle Nolan: m@mtnolan.comSamhain, Halloween and Scorpio Season: When the Veil Thins - Episode 136, S2October 2025 Tarot Forecast October 2025 Astrology Forecast Visit seekingcentercommunity.com for more with Robyn + Karen and many of the guides on Seeking Center: The Podcast. You'll get access to live weekly sessions, intuitive guidance, daily inspiration, and a space to share your journey with like-minded people who just get it. Visit seekingcentercommunity.com for more with Robyn + Karen and many of the guides on Seeking Center: The Podcast. You'll get access to live weekly sessions, intuitive guidance, daily inspiration, and a space to share your journey with like-minded people who just get it. You can also follow Seeking Center on Instagram @theseekingcenter.

And now we are depressed. The Mariners held onto a lead through 6 innings last night, but George Springer destroyed our World Series hopes with one swing of the bat, handing the Mariners a 4-3 loss in Game 7 of the ALCS. The decision to bring in Bazardo to face Springer will be second-guessed and picked apart for a long time. Why not keep Woo in? Why not Munoz? :30- Mariners Morning After We have arrived at our final MMA of the year and it hurts. The Mariners came so close to getting to the World Series, but fell short and we don't even want to hear that home run highlight. :45- The Mariners may have lost the ALCS, but our love for Josh Naylor has only grown. He gave life and limb to try and help this team win it all. Can the Mariners find a way to keep him?

The Mariners season comes to an abrupt ending after last night's Game 7 loss. There are going to be plenty of questions and conversations surrounding the Mariners pitching decisions when Springer came up to bat and those will probably haunt us for awhile. Woo, Munoz, Bazardo or someone else, we will always wonder “what if” a different decision had been made, what could have been? Leo Rivas was given a golden opportunity and he wasn't able to cash in during this series, in fact, the entire bottom of the order was a hole. :30- RYON HEALY joins the show for one final time this postseason as we get his thoughts on pitching decisions, at-bats and more from Game 7 of the ALCS. :45- It may be too early to hear it, but the Mariners future is bright and hopefully this offseason continues to prove that.

Today, Lauren is talking to Louise Muir Sage of ‘Something Kind of Woo', a crystal shop in Royal Wootton Bassett.Alongside crystals, she also sells incense, essential oils, tarot and oracle cards. Plus Lou is a Reiki practitioner and runs Reiki sessions and also Chakra realignment sessions. Explaining what Reiki is and how it works, she describes it as ‘cosmic glitter for the soul'. It's a form of energy healing that helps to bring balance to people and clear blockages, and many people find it very relaxing.Lou also explains what Chakras are, and talks about how our bodies are made up of 21, with each one being responsible for different energies.Her interest in crystals began after she stopped drinking, and had problems sleeping. Rather than going from one addiction to another – sleeping tables, she decided to look at other things that would help, and that's where crystals came in. Crystals are definitely her passion.Lou's decision to start her business came about after talking to her partner about at some point in the future, owning a shop that would be coffee and crystals. After that she connected with the owner of a local café where she now runs meditation events, and decided to run a coffee and crystal event – which has sold out every month since starting!  That  was the start of her creating her business which during this year has gone from strength to strength.Having worked with Scott Media for a while now, Lou talks about how much she's learned and gained from that experience. She has recently featured in several national magazines, talking about her story, and she's passionate about wanting to share her story to help others.Lou gives her advice about setting up your own business; the main tip being, if you have a dream – go for it – don't park it!To contact Lou:Website: https://somethingkindofwoo.co.uk/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louise-muir-sage-somethingkindofwoo/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomethingKindofWooInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somethingkindofwoo/Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somethingkindofwoo If you would like to contact me, you can visit my www.Scottmedia.uk or join my free Facebook group here https://www.facebook.com/groups/prtribe

Join your alien allies of the APDC as they review S2, Ep 32 of the 1998 classic animated series, Beast Wars: Transformers!It's stupid, but also a great deal of fun! Alien triangulation station!! Grid Zeiram!!! Megaton's new jamming station!! Sometimes Optimus trusts too much! Tarantulas is kicking it!! Floating seed pods! Airrazor and Tigertron holding hands!! Will Smith's in a bubble, bro--WOO!! Rhinox rock n' socks Inferno!! Y2K breathing down our goddamn necks!!! Dipping' all day long!! Bat Boy: The Musical!!! In the Real World! Iconic Moment!! Script Deviations!! You act out of hate?! Excellent!!!7:50 - CHICKEN CHECK-IN9:40 - SHOUT OUTS11:15 - COCKTAIL16:00 - REVIEW58:30 - REAL WORLD1:19:00 - SCRIPT DEVIATIONS1:22:20 - RATE THE SCHEME1:23:50 - ICONIC MOMENT1:24:40 - NEXT TIME…

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In this special Business of Woo-themed episode of The Skeptical Shaman podcast, host Rachel White (of TOTEM Readings) chats with client, friend and consumer of the Woo Nicole Foos (of NVision by Nicole Foos). Not only is Nicole a talented crystal jewelry maker, artist and sculptor, but she's also an accomplished student and practitioner of the Woo herself, making her a VERY discerning customer. And that's exactly why she was pinged to join this Business of Woo-themed podcast series to offer up a unique line of sight into the client's perspective. What are Nicole's "green flags" vs. "red flags" when it comes to engaging with a psychic or practitioner? What trends has she noticed in the last few years, and which of these trends give her a solid case of the "ick"? What are some key metrics-- like reviews or age of business-- that skeptical but curious spiritual explorers keep an eye out for as they discern the best (and must trustworthy) practitioners with whom to work?This episode has it all: what is up with those weird psychic "membership programs"? What is the real math behind those online directories? How old SHOULD you be before you declare yourself a "life coach"? Listeners will come away from this episode with a clear set of criteria to consider before committing to someone in the Business of Woo!LINKS:Rachel's Website: https://www.totemreadings.comTOTEM Readings Substack: https://totemrach.substack.comRachel's Other Links: https://linktr.ee/totemrachPlease support the Sponsors of The Skeptical Shaman Podcast:The TOTEM Flower Essence Deck: https://a.co/d/gw16LsGThe TOTEM Tarot Deck: https://totemreadingsatx.etsy.com/listing/1492934343The TOTEM Flower Essences: https://www.etsy.com/shop/TotemReadingsATXTOTEM Spiritual Transformation Coaching: https://www.totemreadings.com/coachingTOTEM Business of Woo Mentoring: https://www.totemreadings.com/business-of-wooNicole's LINKS:Website: https://www.nvisionbynicolefoos.com/Etsy Shop: https://www.etsy.com/shop/NVisionbyNicoleFoosPlease note: The views and opinions expressed on The Skeptical Shaman do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, protected class, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything. And remember: sticks and stones may break our bones, but words—or discussions of religious or spiritual topics-- will never hurt us.

Send us a textRich stops the show to discuss his book The Not-So Only Child, as well as his journey of discovering this fact. We also discuss the radio biz, the Woo and more. *******Rich Boerner is an Award-Winning podcast and radio Audio Creator / Producer / Talent / now Author, whose successful journey has taken him to Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, and Orlando. His resume includes working for and with A-List talent and major networks, including Spotify, Audacy, FOX, and CBS Radio.Rich has also been the voice of several regional and national ad campaigns. Boerner also directed and co-created a film-fest honored web TV series, and as a youth, cohosted the first national Cable TV Pay-Per-View Concert, featuring Ozzie Osbourne.He's most proud of, and impressed by, his three children and grateful to be able to spend his days with his golden-hearted wife. Rich also co-founded The SandBox Network, a private podcast network and curriculum for middle-school-aged students to help them find their voices and build self-confidence. Finally, as a champion of the underdog, Rich continues to be deeply obsessed with The NY Mets, NY Jets, and LA Clippers. His debut novel is being published by Yourstorybyyou.com.*****If you would like to contact the show about being a guest, please email us at Dauna@bettertopodcast.comUpcoming guests can be found: https://dmneedom.com/upcoming-guest Follow us on Social MediaInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/author_d.m.needom/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bettertopodcastwithdmneedomIntro and Outro music compliments of Fast Suzi©2025 Better To...Podcast with D. M. NeedomSupport the show

- We still have a lot to talk about when it comes to last night's Game 3. The Mariners crowd showed out and Julio got them all fired up right away, but by the 3rd inning, things shifted dramatically and Toronto rattled off 12 runs in a row. Did the Mariners make the right decision to keep Kirby in and moving forward, what's the plan? :30- ABCs of the Mariners - D id for Dingers: all dingers have a different value to them; what value could we potentially place on Randy Arozarena's late home run? It was his first in 107 at-bats, could it be just what he needs to get heated up? - E is for Ewok: Vlad Jr is the most intimidating presence in the Blue Jays lineup, but that Ewok behind the plate (Alejandro Kirk) is worrisome as well. - F is for Fresh: is there a chance that a couple weeks off were actually good for Woo and he comes out fresher than before? :45- Jedd Fisch has a big game ahead of him on Saturday; can the Huskies pull off the upset in Ann Arbor? Just how big would this win be and could the Huskies enter the playoff conversation if they beat Michigan? Jedd Fisch rumors are already flying…

- We still have a lot to talk about when it comes to last night's Game 3. The Mariners crowd showed out and Julio got them all fired up right away, but by the 3rd inning, things shifted dramatically and Toronto rattled off 12 runs in a row. Did the Mariners make the right decision to keep Kirby in and moving forward, what's the plan? :30- ABCs of the Mariners - D id for Dingers: all dingers have a different value to them; what value could we potentially place on Randy Arozarena's late home run? It was his first in 107 at-bats, could it be just what he needs to get heated up? - E is for Ewok: Vlad Jr is the most intimidating presence in the Blue Jays lineup, but that Ewok behind the plate (Alejandro Kirk) is worrisome as well. - F is for Fresh: is there a chance that a couple weeks off were actually good for Woo and he comes out fresher than before? :45- Jedd Fisch has a big game ahead of him on Saturday; can the Huskies pull off the upset in Ann Arbor? Just how big would this win be and could the Huskies enter the playoff conversation if they beat Michigan? Jedd Fisch rumors are already flying… See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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272. Pathway to Joy and Happiness in Parenting with Amy Rienow   Psalm 144:15b NKJV, "Happy are the people whose God is the Lord!"   *Transcription Below*   Questions and Topics We Cover: Will you share your story of God revealing a spirit of perfectionism was sneaking into motherhood? How can we recognize our own spirit of perfectionism and what can we do about it? What is one thing you've found every mom needs more of and how can we get it?   Thank You to Our Sponsor: MidwestFoodBank.org   Amy Rienow's first ministry is loving her husband and nurturing faith in their seven children. She and Rob founded and lead Visionary Family Ministries, a ministry created to equip parents, encourage couples, and help families live for Christ. She attended the University of Illinois, followed by Wheaton College Graduate School, where she earned her MA in Clinical Psychology. She is a licensed clinical professional counselor. Amy has her hands full as a mom, partnering with Rob, and serving in the women's and worship ministries at church.   Savvy Sauce Episodes Mentioned in Episode: Special Patreon Re-Release: Discipline that Disciples with Dr. Rob Rienow Five Love Languages with Dr. Gary Chapman 87 Visionary Parenting and Grand-Parenting with Dr. Rob Rienow 182 Things I Wish I'd Have Known Before My Child Became a Teenager with Dr. Gary Chapman 220 Cultivating Healthy Family Relationships with Dr. Gary Chapman 245 Stories Series: Miracles Big and Small with Dr. Rob Rienow 230 Intentional Parenting in All Stages with Dr. Rob Rienow   Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook, Instagram or Our Website    Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast!   Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)   Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”   Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”   Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”   Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”    Luke 15:10 “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”   Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”   Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession- to the praise of his glory.”   Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”   Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“   Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“   Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”   *Transcription*   Music: (0:00 – 0:09)   Laura Dugger: (0:11 - 1:43) Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here.   Thank you to an anonymous donor to Midwest Food Bank, who paid the sponsorship fee in hopes of spreading awareness.  Learn more about this amazing nonprofit organization at MidwestFoodBank.org.   I'm thrilled to get to introduce you to my inspiring guest for today, Amy Rienow. Now, that last name may sound familiar because Amy's husband, Dr. Rob Rienow, has been a previous guest multiple times, actually. So, I'll make sure and link his previous episodes in the show notes, along with other episodes that we recommend in this conversation.   Amy and Rob are founders of Visionary Family Ministries, and they are parents to seven children. Amy is also an author, podcaster, and she's practiced as a licensed clinical professional counselor in the past, so she's going to combine all of this experience together, and her wisdom just pours out as now she's going to seek to encourage us to seek the Lord and follow His guidance, especially as parents in our parenting journey. Here's our chat.   Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Amy.   Amy Rienow: (1:44 - 1:51) Hi Laura. I'm so glad to do this with you. It's been a while since we've talked about it, and I'm excited to be here today.   Laura Dugger: (1:51 - 2:00) Well, I'm thrilled to have you join, and I'd love to just dive in and hear how did Jesus Christ become your personal Lord and Savior?   Amy Rienow: (2:01 - 3:39)  I love that you start with that question. I grew up in a home with a Christian mom and a non-Christian dad, but they had made an arrangement before they were even married. She did have the wisdom to ask her husband to give her the domain of that, like picking a church, and he was willing to go with us as a family to church, even though he was not a believer, and that was very clear.   But she led me to the Lord when I was about four years old, and I grew up going to church, and that was my first. I feel like I never kind of have a lot of memory of not knowing Jesus, but I would say that my faith increased and became even more my own. I feel like it was always my own, but in high school, I went on a missions trip to Mexico, and I will never forget the experience of being in a very poor town in Mexico, and there was this horrible storm coming in, and all of us Americans were afraid of the storm, and we ran into the church while the service kept going on, and literally none of the Mexican people that were outside in the service, the storm didn't faze them at all.   They just kept going on, and honestly, that was such a pivotal point in my life where I was like, that is the type of faith that I wanted to have. I mean, it really cemented. I feel like that's when the Holy Spirit just helped me to know that that's who I want to be.   I want to be a person of that kind of faith in the Lord that is not budging when the storms come.   Laura Dugger: (3:40 - 4:04) Love that. Thank you for sharing, and since that time, you've added some people to your family, so I'd love to get a snapshot of your family right now and then share some more about motherhood, specifically in one of your books you wrote about recognizing that you had a spirit of perfectionism. So, I'd love to hear more about that because I think it's very relatable.   Amy Rienow: (4:05 - 6:43) Well, my family right now, I've been married to my husband Rob for 30 years. I have seven children, R.W., Lissy, J.D., Lainey, Millie, Ray, and Rush.  And R.W. is turning 28 this year. He has one little boy.   His name is Cliff, so that's my grandbaby number three. My daughter Lissy is married to Bond, and she's about to have baby number three, so that will be my fourth grandbaby. She has Avey, Bondy, and then this little new one on the way. And then my son J.D. just got married to Brooke last summer, so that is exciting. We're thrilled, thrilled, thrilled to have Brooke in our family. Lainey is graduating from Olivet. She graduated in three years, which we're really proud of. Millie is a junior.   Ray is a freshman, and Rush is in fifth grade, and I still homeschool those three. They kind of do part-time at a Christian school here, and then I homeschool the rest of the time. So, that is my current family.   It's expanding. As you will find out when you get to the stage, expansions come very quickly, and it's exciting, exciting times. But about that spirit of perfectionism, actually, even before I became a mom, I was convicted of a spirit of perfectionism because I had always been very critical of myself.   I had a very critical spirit. Just I don't know if it was, you know, the peer pressure, what those components are. I'm a middle child, but I just tended to critique myself very harshly.   And after I was married, even about a year, the Lord showed me how, because of my husband and I were becoming one flesh, I was really turning that critical spirit onto him. But then there was a book called The Fly Lady. She is a home organization.   I think I mention it in my book, but that is when I really began to understand that I struggled with perfectionism, and that's often what kept me paralyzed. It often keep me with that, you know, I would say engaging with that critical spirit, communicating a lot of criticisms, whether it be to my children or to my husband. So, that was, you know, so it started early in marriage, but by the time I was well into motherhood, I was really starting to understand what this was. What the critical spirit was, and it really was a spirit of perfectionism.   Laura Dugger: (6:44 - 6:52) Well, and the Lord met you there, and there is a story that you share related to picture frames. Would you be willing to tell that?   Amy Rienow: (6:52 - 9:07) Yeah. So, my daughter, Lissy, was graduating from high school, and it was classic me. I was trying to like get this massive graduation party together, and I'm sort of a procrastinator and life is busy.   So, it's like we are, okay, I got to get this done before this big party, this big event, and had a friend who was a decorator to kind of give me an idea of what to do. And so, my husband and really the whole family was kind of working overtime to get everything ready for this big event. And he had helped my, we had this huge wall that had to be that my decorator friend suggested a gallery wall.   So, we had all of these pictures up and I was looking at it late at night, kind of exhausted. We're talking about past midnight and I know it wasn't just my husband helping. I had JD helping.   I don't remember where I was, but we were just all working hard to get this ready for this party. And I was laying there as past midnight looking at that wall and so frustrated, like so frustrated because all those pictures I kept looking at like, Oh, this is going to be a mess. Like they're all, they're not like, you know, they're not command stripped.   Right. And so they're all going to be, I just felt like, what have I done? It's looking crooked already.   And it was so frustrating to me. And that is when the Holy spirit completely convicted me with just like, Amy, you should be looking what's in those pictures and not whether they're crooked or not crooked. Like, first of all, like all the family has been helping me with this vision.   Right. And it's not really their vision. It's my vision.   They've all been supportive of me in front of me. It was a wall of all the memories of all these beautiful pictures. And here I was so focused on my right angles and having it look perfect for the crowd coming in at the graduation party, as opposed to what everything on that wall represented.   And so, it was a very convicting moment to me of just like, I have a choice. Am I going to embrace everything in those pictures and everything my family's done to help us get to this special day? Or am I going to come in and be fixated on how crooked those picture frames look to me right now?   Laura Dugger: (9:07 - 9:19)  Appreciate you sharing that. And I'm wondering for any parent, especially listening, if they find themselves identifying with that spirit of perfectionism, what can we do with that?   Amy Rienow: (9:20 - 11:11)  It's a challenging one because I think our culture promotes it. And I also think I'm on the flip side of the positive side of it. Let me just say, I believe there's a vision of perfect in our hearts because we were created for perfect.   We're created for heaven. And the Bible says that no eye has seen, no ear has heard, or no mind has even conceived what God has prepared for those who love him. So, there's this drive for perfect that I think is very good and right.   And so, we don't want to give up like excellence, or we don't want to give up that we have that drive. The problem is that the enemy, in fact, I've actually done more research on this. There's really can be a demonic spirit of perfectionism where we're trying to create heaven here.   We're trying to think in our own flesh and our own strength that we can take care of all of our sin, take care of all of our flaws. We can take care of our children's flaws. We can take care of our husband's flaws.   That is actually from the enemy in the sense that we believe in our own strength. And you can look at that through history. It's basically a form of humanism that we can fix everything in ourselves.   God makes it very clear in scripture that that is not possible. So, I think understanding this tension, that it's okay to want things to be wonderful, that's not bad. But what's bad is when we leave God out of the picture and we put this pressure on ourselves and on the people around us to accomplish what only can God can do.   And we don't accept God's timing. We don't have patience with who we are, our sinful nature and really put our trust in Christ and not in ourselves.   Laura Dugger: (11:12 - 12:56) Let's take a quick break to hear a message from our sponsor.   Midwest Food Bank exists to provide industry leading food relief to those in need while feeding them spiritually. They are a food charity with a desire to demonstrate God's love by providing help to those in need.   Unlike other parts of the world where there's not enough food in America, the resources actually do exist. That's why food pantries and food banks like Midwest Food Bank are so important. 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I hope you check them out today.   You also write in one of your books that there's one thing that you found every mother needs. So, what is it and how can we get it?   Amy Rienow: (12:56 - 14:56) That one thing is joy, joy, joy. And, and I like to use the word happiness, honestly, because I feel like that happiness got a bad rap, I say, in Christian world for like a while, in my opinion. I don't know if it's still that way, but so often I heard sermon saying, you know, like we don't want happiness.   We want joy. Like there's these two different major things, like, you know, almost like a rejection of happiness for this deeper spiritual joy. Well, finally, the Lord really convicted me that deep, deep inner joy that doesn't show is an oxymoron.   Like, you really should see happiness. You should feel happiness. You should feel those things.   If you ever come across someone's like, oh no, I have a deep joy, but like, there's no evidence of it. Well, that's a red flag. That's a problem.   The Lord, you know, in the King James version, it actually says happier people whose God is the Lord. And I believe every mom desires that happiness. And sometimes they don't even really know that that's the most important element that they want in their home, you know, because it's so easy to get, I don't know, sidetracked on things that feel more important that you kind of forget how important happiness is.   And, you know, we can take it for granted. I feel like very easily because often when our kids are little and we don't have not entered that world of, whether it be academic or whatever into the greater world, let's just say in your home, you can kind of have like a natural happiness and joy that's just there, but it's so easily stifled. When we start putting our self into the world of either comparing ourselves to other moms, comparing our kids to other kids, stressing about the expectations or what we think our kids need.   We can often find that happiness slipping away. And I believe we do not want that to happen in our homes and in our hearts.   Laura Dugger: (14:57 - 15:08) And so how can we get more of that, both as parents and how can we train our kids to be happy and joyful as well?   Amy Rienow: (15:09 - 17:18) It's such a good question and a hard question. Cause I don't think it's just like we can snap our fingers and just do that. I think that it's really important that we are seeking the Lord and helping him order our priorities.   You know, God gave us 10 commandments for a reason. And if you look at the first one, it says, “You know, you'll have no other gods before me, you'll keep him first.” And part of the reason why I think that commandment is both like the first and also in many ways, very abstract, like, you know what I mean?   How do you even do that? You know, it's confusing, I think, but I think that's what the Lord wants is of a seeking of helping us keep him first. Because when we help to keep God first, number one, and number two, we don't have idols that we bow down to, that we place above him. Like, let's take an example of motherhood.   Let's say the idol might be, um, I have to have super smart children. Let's put it that way. You know, your joy is going to be robbed when you keep sacrificing to that idol, because that's a trap.   Like the enemy wants to trap you there to make the wrong sacrifices. And that is why I think God knows this. Like he's telling us right in those 10 commandments, you know, you need to keep me first.   You can have no, do not worship to idols. Because when you're making the sacrifices to eternal God, who is the author of joy, the author of love, the author of peace, those are the things he gives back to you. No other idol can give you peace.   No other idol can give you joy. So, I think when we look at the lack of joy that we see in a lot of our homes in our culture, it's because we've been ensnared into an idolatry where we're making the wrong sacrifices. We're sacrificing things that we don't realize the consequence of that until we're in it.   And we're like, wait, this didn't produce the happiness and joy that I expected it to produce. Cause we were tricked.   Laura Dugger: (17:19 - 17:27) Do you have any examples from your own life or friend's stories where that really comes to life?   Amy Rienow: (17:27 - 21:22) Oh boy. There's lots of examples and lots of friends stories, but I'm going to say one that's more of a story that I'm well aware of and not, you know, personally walk hand with. But I think it's always struck with me because it was so painful story. You know, I grew up, I've raised a lot of athletes in my home and my son, especially my first born very athletic boy.   And we were kind of at the beginning of the cusp of how important travel was, you know what I mean? Travel baseball and travel, you know, sports in general. And there's that pressure.   You need to choose this. You need to do this or else you are going to, you know, ruin the advantages for your child. If you don't do this, even if choosing that is going to mean you're going to sacrifice family time, you're going to sacrifice finances.   You are going to sacrifice your Sundays. I could go on and on. The world will tell you you have to do this in order to get to the prize that you're looking for, or your son is going to be disadvantaged.   If you don't choose that. And it took a lot to be like, no, we're not going to make, we're not going to make that trade. And there was a lot of pressure.   There's a lot of pressure with our son, you know what I mean? With him feeling sometimes neglected and having to deal in that relationship. So, it's not like that's immediate happiness or immediate joy, you know, but what did it did allow us to disciple him through all that.   It allowed us to see God, you know, use him, whatever team he was on, give him a lot of joy in sports. The blessing of it is that we saw him in high school, you know, excel in baseball, always rise to the top, win character awards. He eventually did go on to play college baseball and AIA, not like D1, but he got to play, got to use that gift to pay for his education.   But most importantly, he was a joyful, happy kid. Baseball didn't control his life. And I just praise God for that.   And in contrast, he, at the same, his age, same age level, there were these two boys who were twins were very well known for being top, top, top, top players. And they were just elevated in many circles we were in. And, you know, you, when you're in the baseball world, baseball moms will understand this, you know who the top players are.   You see the name, like, you know, when your son's in the paper for something, you know, he was listed in the number of top of DuPage kids. And obviously that's a feather in your cap and you're really proud of that. These boys were top of the top D1, but I'll never forget.   They went to different D1 schools and one of them ended up taking his own life his freshman year. I believe it just the most devastating thing. I could not, I cannot speak to any of those situations.   I don't know his family background. I do not know any history of at all. All I can say is it hit me really hard in the sense that these were the boys that so many parents were envying, envying of their success and of their status.   And that was so jolting to, to know that they'd received, you know, hit so many of these incredible hurdles that every parent thinks they want their kids to achieve. But obviously there was something amiss because there was a lack of joy, lack of happiness. I don't know the whole story.   But that just strikes me again of just how important it is to again, go back to keeping God first, make sure you're making the right sacrifices.   Laura Dugger: (21:23 - 22:43) That's a good word. It's such a sobering story, but making sure we're making the right sacrifices or really listening to God's counsel. That reminds me where I was this morning, Psalm 25.   I read it in the amplified version, but it was talking specifically that some of his guidance comes from his word. Like it's amazing. It's incredible.   It's important to pray and to be around others who are godly and do other spiritual rhythms, but there's nothing like reading his word to hear from him. And let me try and find the verses. Verse 14 in the amplified version says, “The secret of the wise counsel of the Lord is for those who fear him and he will let them know his covenant and reveal to them through his word, it's deep inner meaning.”   And the next verse, just the first part goes on to say, “My eyes are continually toward the Lord.” And that was such powerful takeaway this morning, but then I'm hearing it through the way that these lives played out. Because when you look, is it my understanding correct?   That you did travel sports, but they were not, your children chose not to do Sundays.   Amy Rienow: (22:44 - 25:52) Well, we did not even do travel sports for my oldest. It was back in the day when park district actually, you could, you know, like there were enough kids. So, we, my son did only park district all the way through eighth grade, but then he kind of, because he was like young for his age, he had one sort of gap year in between high school before he started like high school sports.   And that's when he did play a travel sport. We found one that honestly was not good at all. I don't think the level was any better than park district, but they accepted the no Sunday situation.   So, that's what we did. And you know, it was a losing team. Like he was on losing teams, like most of his baseball career until he got to high school.   So, it really was you know, the opposite of what the world said he needed. And yet he was able to, to rise and, and achieve. And honestly his high school experience was being able to always, he was a starter all the time and he his teams won.   So, it was like years of like, not, you know, kind of paying these prices I would say. And that's neither here or there. The winning or the losing is really not important.   The important was keeping baseball in its proper place, enjoying the gifts that God has given you, not letting, listening to the world. I'll just throw this in because we are what you said about sound. First of all, I love the amplified version.   So, that blessed me that you read the amplified, but you know, seeking the council, you, we must be as parents in his word, like regularly listening to how he's speaking to us because we also, it's so interesting. Rob and I live in a very interesting world. We had one foot, especially back then, one foot in the homeschool world, one foot in the public school area, public school community, lots of public school friends.   And then also the Christian school is where my son played. But you know, if we'd go to homeschool conference, there were tons of messages that you should not have your kids in sports at all. Sports are wrong.   Sports are a waste of time, you know? So, that was a strong message of sort of like condemnation almost for being in sports at all. So, my point is there was no one community that said, okay, this is the way, you know what I mean?   We had to seek the Lord, you know, for ourselves, for our family, for our son, knowing this was his love and his giftedness and continue to look for wisdom and how he should grow in those gifts. You know, and how he wanted to use it in his life, but not let it take over his life. And isn't that the lesson for all of us?   So, anyway, it depended on that seeking the counsel of him, both myself with my husband and then also with our W. It wasn't like we kept him out of the picture. We were praying the three of us for wisdom and all those things.   Laura Dugger: (25:53 - 26:42) I love hearing that because you're right. It's not about black and white decision of travel sports are always wrong or always right. But the main takeaway is seek the Lord because he has wisdom for our individual unique situation.   And I want to go back and close a few other loops. Sure. Please.   One of those being that even with perfectionism or with comparison or when we're choosing godly values that may contradict worldly values, I'm hearing a theme that there's a, it's a fight and that there's a spiritual battle. And you even said you had researched some of this, Amy, how do you personally learn about that and be aware of the spiritual realm?   Amy Rienow: (26:44 - 30:42) We, we really, I can't say it enough that we do need to be so aware of the spiritual realm. I didn't understand. I didn't understand in my early years of parenting at how important that was to pay attention to.   And here's the thing there's, I feel like there's the Lord brings us on a path along the way with the knowledge we need at the time. And then he wants us to stretch and grow and learn a little bit more. So, there was a season in my life.   When especially we began homeschooling, the Lord brought us into all these new teachings that we didn't really understand was so powerful. It was so wonderful. We were very blessed by all of those teaching and the conferences that we were attending.   But what began to happen for me is that the perfectionism that I knew was there kind of gotten folded into that teaching because all of a sudden I kind of wore as a spiritual, like pride that I, I called it my noble list. Now I, when I talk about my book, Not So Perfect Mom, I, this is not in the book, but this is part of my talks. Like I kind of replaced the world's list of great athlete, great, you know, so smart, all those things with my noble list.   My child will have wonderful character. My child will read God's word. My child will know what it means to serve, but you see what I mean?   We're still dealing with a list. God had to call me out of that way of thinking back to the importance of a relationship with him, meaning for myself and meaning for my kids. Because when my oldest was 12, I was starting to see that we could be raising a Pharisee. If we keep focusing on this noble list, like if he knows all of his Proverbs, if he obeys perfectly, if he, you know what I mean?   Like life is not supposed to be, God never called us to do that. He desires a daily relationship with us. And that's what he desires for our kids.   So, that was beginning to suffocate my oldest for sure. And my, I would say, and my daughter right underneath him because they felt the weight of this, you know, we need to arise to this, this standard. So, like that perfectionism can take on this, this type of robe that makes you feel very noble about it.   Especially if you're in certain circles, like spiritual circles, where if your kids look right, dress right. You know, say yes, ma'am and yes, sir. Then we're all assuming that they're wonderful and we're not really getting to the heart underneath, but that is, there's a tension and a spiritual battle.   That's far. That's super important to pay attention to. And the way the Lord showed that to me is that I would often say the phrase in conversation.   Oh, it's a battle. Oh, it's a battle. We're in a battle.   I'm the Lord. I don't know what they gave me a vision. That's too strong word, but I had this sort of, I, I guess it's a vision.   I imagine that I was on, I was sitting in a coffee, like at a table with a friend drinking coffee. And we were just, you know, chatting and yet that coffee table was in the middle of this bloody battlefield. And the Lord was just kind of showing me, this is how your attitude is about saying that it's in a battle.   Like you're sitting here, just talking with your friends, drinking coffee and chatting and laughing. And this is the battlefield. It's all around you.   What are you doing about the battle? You know, when you are following after the Lord, you need to expect opposition. You need to understand that your kids are under spiritual attack.   And if we're not praying and putting on that full armor of God and recognizing it, we're not engaged in it.   Laura Dugger: (30:42 - 31:41) When was the first time you listened to an episode of The Savvy Sauce? How did you hear about our podcast? Did a friend share it with you?   Will you be willing to be that friend now and text five other friends or post on your socials? Anything about The Savvy Sauce that you love. If you share your favorite episodes, that is how we continue to expand our reach and get the good news of Jesus Christ in more ears across the world.   So, we need your help. Another way to help us grow is to leave a five-star review on Apple podcasts. Each of these suggestions will cost you less than a minute, but it will be a great benefit to us.   Thank you so much for being willing to be generous with your time and share. We appreciate you.   When you go back to your family of origin, did your father ever find a saving faith in Jesus Christ as well?   Amy Rienow: (31:41 - 33:11) He did. He did actually. That's such a wonderful question. And he did when my husband and I were married for about a year. And he, at Christmas day in front of our whole family, after we were sitting at the table at dinner, he kind of waited for all the gifts to be open and be at a different spot.   And he said, “Well, I opened one more gift today and it was the gift of salvation.” Wow. I still tear up thinking about it and thinking about my older brother's response, who was not an emotional person.   And I saw tears in my older brother's eyes, but I just want to even in saying that, that taught me a lot because even at the time when he accepted salvation, he even said, I don't necessarily believe all the Bible's true. He really, you know, he accepted in faith and now he doesn't, you know, the Lord took him from evolutions. Now he's probably more conservative or believes the Bible in a way that I would say many other Christians maybe wouldn't believe, but I'm saying that it was a process watching him grow.   And my kids don't even understand that, that we call him Bop Bop. He used to be a man who, you know, let the communion plate pass every week. And he was not a believer because they see him so much as a spiritual leader now, but you see how faith moves and how faith changes us.   And we need to be patient with God in ourselves, with our kids, you know, and trust in that walk with Him. Love it.   Laura Dugger: (33:12 - 33:23) Well, I'm going to change gears here a little bit. Yeah. Will you explain attachment and share why you're so passionate about this topic?   Amy Rienow: (33:24 - 37:18) That is, I do feel like I love talking about attachment. I feel like it's an underrated thing to talk about. Some of you might be familiar.   I don't know if any of these names like Mary Ainsworth or the Harlow experience, you remember the monkey Harlow experience. It's most, most kids who've had like even a high school psychology class, know that the story of the monkey who has the wire surrogate mom with the bottle. And then has like the fuzzy mom that doesn't have the bottle and the monkey goes and gets its food from the bottle of the wire mom but continues to go over to the furry surrogate mom for comfort.   That's some of the original psychology on attachment but I was started my professional job in a school with children with behavior disorders and autism. That's one of my first jobs. And, and because of that, I went to different seminars for continuing education.   And one of them was a woman who specialized in attachment. And part of the reason she specialized in attachment because she'd adopted so many children and she was sort of a professional on adoption. And that's when I really did a deeper dive into attachment and specifically something called reactive attachment disorder.   I can't go into that. It would be a long tangent. But she was such an eye-opening time.   And this is even before I had children. But she said that, you know, she couldn't say everything she wanted to about attachment and the effects specifically of daycare on children, because it wasn't politically correct. That she would lose her funding basically, if she gave her true opinion on some of the things that our culture was doing to destroy attachment among families.   And it was just very eye opening to me that, you know, when we get our baby development books, the time that I was having kids, it was What to Expect When You're Expecting and What to Expect for Your One Year Old and all these milestones that moms are looking for. And obviously moms generally love their kids. I will stand by that over and over, you know what I mean?   That's the norm. And, you know, you're told to look for all of these milestones, but really attachment is not even mentioned in this book of how important it is. What are the signs of a securely attached child?   And yet this is so significant. And it's not just in the Christian world that we can recognize this. This is universally known in the psychology world, how important attachment is.   So, let's go back to that spiritual battle. Why is it that that is not discussed? Or why is that not focused in the development book?   Or why is it that if you're going to adopt a child, you're going to learn all about attachment, but that's not something that you may necessarily come into contact with if you're just having your own children. But attachment is essential for all healthy relationships. And specifically attachment with the mother.   I mean, we can use the term primary caregiver. Yes, to other people come in and be a primary care. I'm not saying that, you know. It's not just the mom, but this relationship with the mom, this, this attachment is so significant because God created it that way.   And it, how that relationship and how that attachment happens will have this impact on all the other relationships that your child is going to have in their life. So, it's something that we need to be talking about. And I pray that it becomes more and more common for people to talk about it.   Laura Dugger: (37:18 - 37:25) Well, and I'm even curious that speaker was that Karen Purvis?   Amy Rienow: (37:25 - 38:04) Oh, I don't even remember her name. I apologize. She was not a Christian. She was not a believer.   She, well, if she was, I don't know that. Cause I was, I was listening to her in a secular setting. You know, so she might've been, I don't, so I don't know, but I, the reason why it was so curious to me that the time most of the children on my case list that I had at this school were adopted.   So, I found that so interesting, like, and that was why I went to her seminar to try to understand more that connection of the adoption. And you know, how did that play into some of the problems that these children were, were having.   Laura Dugger: (38:05 - 38:20) Well, and just to go a little bit further with attachment, let's take it from the positive side. What are some proven examples or ways that we can form that healthy attachment with our children and that bonding?   Amy Rienow: (38:21 - 40:38) Yeah, well, a lot of it is just a spending time with your child, you know, and that's why I want to be very gentle here. Cause the world that we live in, I mean, I know for a fact that there are so many moms in situations where they have to go back to work right away. There are difficult circumstances.   And I'm, I am not here to say that then you don't have an attached relationship with child. Cause that is honestly not true. But I will say that if you have any opportunity to be home with your children, please, please, please take that opportunity because your children need that contact with you to form that attachment.   I mean, the number one thing for attachment is presence, time, touch, eye contact, and smiles. I mean, like it is what the baby that interplay that's happening with the baby and the mother and, and the why babies love faces. I mean, like they, we need to have that time with our children.   We need to be the ones to know our children the best that only comes with time. But even a mom who maybe for reasons have to be away from their baby, the important thing is that when you're with them, that you are engaged. You know, I even, I don't have my phone in front of me.   Even the phone takes away attachment. You know, when you're looking at another screen, as opposed to paying attention to that communication with the baby long before they're communicating long for the communicating with words, they are interacting and communicating with you. So, God knew what he's doing when he created mothers with the ability to feed their babies.   Nursing enables attachment, you know, because the baby is dependent on the mother. So, all of these things play into why God created our system the way it is because it was designed not to just physically feed our babies, but to emotionally create this attached, secured relationship where that enables a child to feel safe, feel security.   Laura Dugger: (40:39 - 40:54) Well, that makes me think of another a word that you wisely encourage us. And that is the word affection. So, can you share why this is also important to shower on our children?   Amy Rienow: (40:55 - 43:47) Yes. You know how it is when you become a mom, there's all these new parenting styles out there, things that you get bombarded with, or should I do this? Or, you know, and I think I was really impacted by a Bible, small group where a woman was talking about her six-month-old needing disciplining her six-month-old.   And it hit me really negatively because I just heard a woman who had had like, I think she has 17 children who talked about, you know, there's, you cannot spoil and she used, you cannot spoil anybody under the age of two. I would say it's as much as under three with as far as attention and love and affection, affection, your children need your affection. Again, let's go to how this, how Satan, let's go back to that spiritual battle.   We can keep going back. Cause I often find you can see God's truth with how it's perverted in the world. So, let's look at how we have a sex education system now in so many schools, including in Illinois that tries to teach younger children horrific adult sexual behaviors, correct?   And they are manipulating what needs to, what children do need, which is positive, a non-sexual physical connection with their parents, with their siblings, with aunts and uncles. So, so in some ways I can remember early in my career and either in my development in getting my classes, my masters, you know, in some ways they demonize, you know, like parents are afraid to sometimes have too much physical touch or too much of this because it's almost like, Oh, we can't, you know, we have to make sure our children are more independent, you know, like, like for example, co-sleeping, which builds a lot of affection between parents, which is normal in most cultures and normal throughout history can be viewed as really negative. Like, you know, you gotta get your kid in another room and another, like pushing them out early and yet look at what we see from the world, which is an encroachment of inappropriate touch, inappropriate sexuality at younger and younger ages.   And obviously kids who don't have positive, strong, physical affection are more inclined to fall for Satan's counterfeit. And desire and need touch, but they, they, it's been twisted from the world's perspective.   Laura Dugger: (43:47 - 44:17) Does that make sense? Are you tracking with that? I am.   And it's even making me think of a previous guest, Dr. Gary Chapman, talking about mostly the five love languages of in marriage and how those are displayed. But we also discussed with children and the parent child. And I'm just thinking as you're giving examples of affection, it, it even goes beyond the hugs and kisses and appropriate touch to acts of service and lighting up with them and spending that quality time and all those love languages.   Amy Rienow: (44:18 - 46:16) That's right. As the kids get older, I mean, my, my, we joke about, you know, I have certain sons that, did not want to be touched at all when they were 13, 14. We laughed at my son J.D. like he would want to come give me hugs and he would want to, but it had to always be on his terms.   Like I could never come up, you know what I mean? And how can you, my affection towards him was I'll get you a double cheeseburger. I will make you a milkshake.   That was the way I communicated my affection to him, but it was also my presence in listening to him when he needed to be listening to. There's so many ways as we get older. Right.   And I love Gary Chapman's work as far as like understanding our kids love, love languages, but I'll never forget, you know, I just had JD's wedding and he surprised me with the mother son dance and he had a song ready for me. I'm going to cry again, but it was this wonderful, he had told his siblings that he was probably going to cry on his wedding day when he saw Brooke and when he danced with his mom. And I had so many, and he was really hugging me and holding on and not afraid to be affectionate with me during that dance.   And that's because affection has always been a normal part of our home and a normal part of our relationship. And so, I just want to encourage parents out there not to be afraid of both physical affection when they're young and don't push your child. If your child is needing you or wants hugs, I would say, don't hesitate to give those to them because there is a culture again that pushes kids like, Oh, you shouldn't need that now.   You shouldn't, you're too old for that. Let them determine those boundaries. You give them the hugs and the affection as long as they still want it.   Cause I promise you they're all going to come to a day and they're not gonna want it. And you don't need to worry about if they're looking for that for you, it's a need that, that you can still meet.   Laura Dugger: (46:17 - 46:34) Well, and one other piece of parenting. I know we oftentimes hear mom guilt. I don't know if dads experienced the same thing, but how can we overcome that?   And what do you see as being at the root of struggling with sometimes that false guilt?   Amy Rienow: (46:35 - 49:52) Yes. Well, that I think comes so much again. Well, for me, it came internalized.   I had, I carried some internalized guilt with me, but that's compounded by a culture that puts so many expectations and demands on us as mothers. Where we are bombarded with another ideal, another sense of where we're falling short. And again, I know I keep coming back to the spiritual attack, but the point is I want to lay it out there that sometimes, sometimes moms can feel like, especially in an area, this sounds interesting, but because so many more children have been in daycare or exposed to a lot more developmental things at young ages. If you are like home with your kids, if you feel like, well, gosh, I'm not providing a craft every day.   I'm not, you know, I'm not reading. I went to the library and it literally had this whole campaign on a thousand books before kindergarten. Like, are you kidding me?   And that's the kind of thing. It's like, you're just having a normal mom day and all of a sudden you walk into the library and you get bombarded with what? I'm supposed to read my child a thousand books before, like a new standard that's just put in front of you.   And the enemy uses that to, to make women feel that they're not enough, you know? And first of all, we have to go back to God's word. That says, “there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.”   And to really understand that, yes, we need to be open to be convicted to sin. But when we are convicted of something that our heavenly father wants us to change, we will experience a freedom and a lightning when we repent. And it'll be like a burden lifted up.   And as soon as you have that revenge, you feel like you've been given a gift. It's not something that's a burden. So, that is always my guide for women.   Like if you are under something that you feel like is a burden that you're carrying around, um, this sense that you're not doing enough or that you're a bad mom, that is not coming from your Heavenly Father. You need to reject that in the name of Jesus Christ, because this sense is clearly from the accuser. The Bible says Satan is an accuser and he stands accusing us, but Jesus is there to, you know, to say, no, that's my child.   They're covered by my love covered by my grace. So, we don't want to live under that over that guilt, bad mom guilt shadow for whatever, you know, God knows our faults. He doesn't expect us not to have faults, and your children are going to have faults and your husband are going to have faults.   So, if we think that the Lord is, you know, carrying around our faults, hanging over this, we need to, we need to be reminded that that's not from him and we have to reject it. And again, we're talking about a spiritual battle. You might have to reject the same lie 20 times a day until you find real freedom from falling for that guilt trap.   Laura Dugger: (49:53 - 50:12) Well, and along those lines, as you talk about engaging in the battle, you encourage us as children to woo our children in this same way that the Lord draws us close to him. So, how can we go and do likewise as the Lord does?   Amy Rienow: (50:12 - 52:09) Woo our children's hearts. Like I think it's important to know that the relationship that we have, our kids will, the more we model our relationship, our parenting off of how our heavenly father parents us, the easier it will be for our kids to kind of what I, I have a visual in my mind that I'm walking with my child's hand and I'm holding Jesus hand and I'm gradually through this parenting, trying to connect my child's hand to Jesus hands.   Like that's the picture that I want to be guiding my parenting, not I'm trying to raise you to be X, Y, Z, da, da, da, da, da. I'm trying to lead you to your Heavenly Savior. So, you're going to walk with Him.   So, Jesus is, you know, there's many components of our relationship with Jesus and the Heavenly Father and Holy spirit. But one of them is that God woos the hearts of his people. When you read scripture, He desired, He's always telling them you walk with Me.   “My burden is easy. My yoke is light.” You know what I mean?   He's, He's showing us this freedom and this love and grace. He's not coming with a sense of, see, you're doing this and this and this and this and this. And that's why. You know what I mean?   Like you see God's everlasting love for his people. And we want to woo our children with that same kind of everlasting love. You know, I always say, say you can, you can demand your kids to obey you.   You can demand your kids to respect you, but no one can demand love. Even our Heavenly Father doesn't demand love. He gives us free will and choice to choose to love him.   And so, we want to remember that with our kids to woo them. We want them to choose to love us. So, we woo our hearts.   You already mentioned Gary Chapman by understanding our kids' love languages. You know, realizing that's part of our job as a parent is to woo their hearts.   Laura Dugger: (52:10 - 53:13) So, I love how you're drawing this out as the Lord being the best parent ever and that we can learn from Him. That was something that I felt like he was really teaching me in my quiet time this week. And I wanted to take it one step further.   So, for me applying that, I just made a note on my phone and now anytime I come across a parenting scripture, I want to put it in this same list and go back and review it and be prayerful that the Lord can change me to be more like Him as a parent. So, I'm just going to share the first verse that inspired me to do this this week is Luke 6:36 and the amplified version again, “Be merciful, responsive, compassionate, tender, just as your Heavenly Father is merciful.” And so, Amy, just as He's a great parent and we can learn from Him, I appreciate you just drawing us back, pointing us to the heart of the Father.   And if we want to continue learning from you after this chat, where would you like to direct us?   Amy Rienow: (53:13 - 55:30) Well, I'd love you to come to our website at visionaryfam.com and listen to us at our podcast, Family Vision. You know, we named it Family Vision kind of like television because television really changed the American family. It did when it first introduced on to the scene and our heart is that family vision.   Our podcasts would help give your family a new vision, a vision from God's word for all that he wants to do in your family. You can also find our books well on our website, but also on Amazon. We have, I brought a couple today, but Not So Perfect Mom: Learning to Embrace What Matters Most, which is what you're talking about today.   And this book is very close to my heart because it really was wonderful. It was the easiest book I've ever written because I just felt like it was being able to talk about how God has worked in my own life and my own journey. And it just was the like culmination of so many conversations I've had with moms like all over the country, but really overseas and over the world.   And we're all battling some of the same exact things. So, I just, I would encourage you to pick up Not So Perfect Mom: Learning to Embrace What Matters Most. And then the other book that is, it's not new, it's called Shine Embracing God's Heart for You.   I'm actually leading a group of women through it on a zoom study right now. Um, but I actually wrote this, originally back in 2005 when I was a youth pastor's wife. Um, but really it's all about kind of what I talked about earlier of just, recognizing how to, to trust and believe the Lord.   I said, you know, wholeheartedly with our head and our hearts and our hands and, and really going back to, you know, keeping God first, identifying idols in our life. So, we, you know, the more that we get our own relationship with the Lord centered and we kind of figured that part out. I feel like everything flows from that in our homes, in our marriage, in our other relationships. So, I highly recommend, um, picking up this shine and there's a prayer journal to go with it.   There's a leader's guide. If you'd like to lead a group and that's all on Amazon or at our website.   Laura Dugger: (55:31 - 55:48) Wonderful. As always we'll add the links to that in the show notes for today's episode and Amy, you already know that we're called The Savvy Sauce because Savvy is synonymous with practical knowledge. And so, as my final question for you today, what is your Savvy Sauce?   Amy Rienow: (55:48 - 57:06) I love that question. My Savvy Sauce is actually mentioned in Not So Perfect Mom, but it's when the Lord gave me that quote, “whatever is worth doing is worth doing poorly.” I feel that perfectionism kept me paralyzed so often.   If I couldn't do things exactly the way I thought that they should be in my head, then I was kind of pathetic and wasn't going to do it at all. And so, my encouragement in any area, if you know something is worth doing. Let me give you a practical example really quick on this, even when it comes to like, um, when you're struggling with your marriage. I know I had some issues in my marriage with my husband where I was getting to the point where I didn't even really want to go out on a date, you know, because it was just discouraging and whatever's worth doing is worth doing poorly. So, knowing that, you know, even when my relationships aren't living up to my expectations, or even when I'm feeling hurt, the Lord tells us to press on. Don't, don't stop doing what you know, God wants you to do, um, because you don't think it's living up to your expectations.   Do it. Just do it.   Laura Dugger: (57:07 - 57:38) That's a good word. And Amy, you have so much to share. Our family has benefited so much from the ministry and work that you and Rob do through Visionary Families.   And I am just so grateful for your time and you just to share all of this parenting wisdom. It felt like a mentoring conversation. I loved hearing all the ways that you've been intentional in what you've learned from the Lord. So, thank you for seeking Him.   Thank you for sharing with us and thank you for being my guest.   Amy Rienow: (57:39 - 57:58) Thank you, Laura, for having me. It's been a delight. I love connecting hearts with people who are like-minded.   I love what you're doing with The Savvy Sauce. In fact, my neighbor is one of your devoted followers, and she was so excited to hear about your podcast. So, thank you so much for having me and it's truly an honor and a pleasure to be here.   Laura Dugger: (57:59 - 1:01:13) One more thing before you go, have you heard the term gospel before? It simply means good news. And I want to share the best news with you, but it starts with the bad news.   Every single one of us were born sinners, but Christ desires to rescue us from our sin, which is something we cannot do for ourselves. This means there's absolutely no chance we can make it to heaven on our own. So, for you and for me, it means we deserve death and we can never pay back the sacrifice we owe to be saved.   We need a savior, but God loved us so much. He made a way for his only son to willingly die in our place as the perfect substitute. This gives us hope of life forever in right relationship with him.   That is good news. Jesus lived the perfect life. We could never live and died in our place for our sin.   This was God's plan to make a way to reconcile with us so that God can look at us and see Jesus. We can be covered and justified through the work Jesus finished. If we choose to receive what he has done for us, Romans 10:9 says, “that if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”   So, you pray with me now. Heavenly father, thank you for sending Jesus to take our place. I pray someone today right now is touched and chooses to turn their life over to you.   Will you clearly guide them and help them take their next step in faith to declare you as Lord of their life? We trust you to work and change lives now for eternity. In Jesus name we pray.   Amen. If you prayed that prayer, you are declaring him for me. So, me for him, you get the opportunity to live your life for him.   And at this podcast, we're called The Savvy Sauce for a reason. We want to give you practical tools to implement the knowledge you have learned. So, you're ready to get started.   First, tell someone, say it out loud, get a Bible. The first day I made this decision, my parents took me to Barnes and Noble and let me choose my own Bible. I selected the Quest NIV Bible and I love it.   You can start by reading the book of John. Also get connected locally, which just means tell someone who's a part of a church in your community that you made a decision to follow Christ. I'm assuming they will be thrilled to talk with you about further steps such as going to church and getting connected to other believers to encourage you.   We want to celebrate with you too. So, feel free to leave a comment for us here. If you did make a decision to follow Christ, we also have show notes included where you can read scripture that describes this process.   And finally, be encouraged. Luke 15:10 says, “in the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” The heavens are praising with you for your decision today.   And if you've already received this good news, I pray you have someone to share it with. You are loved and I look forward to meeting you here next time.

What's up, dudes? DuckTales! Woo-oo! It's the theme song stuck in our heads for 30+ years! Yes, it's Uncle Scrooge and the gang. Joe Martinez from Now Watch This and I dive into the DuckTales episode “Ducky Horror Picture Show!”Scrooge has just succeeded in another business venture, showing monster movies in Duckburg's newest theater. Consequently, he moves on to his next project, renovating a rundown convention center. Unbeknownst to him, a werewolf (wolfduck?) rents it out for his group of monsters, including Drakeula, Quackymodo, and Quackenstein. Scrooge has also unwittingly allowed them to stay in his mansion as a hotel.As the creatures arrive, their antics cause mayhem and destruction, and his convention center. Subsequently, shenanigans ensue at his mansion as well. Further, the arrival of giant ape Ping Pong (get it?) causes a commotion at his money bin. As it turns out, though, the monsters begin to protest Scrooge's theater, thinking it gives them a bad name. Instead, the join forces with Scrooge to put on shows and make each other money.Monsters? Yep. Money making schemes? For sure. Duck puns? Indubitably! So grab your top hat and cane and listen to this show all about the DuckTales episode “Ducky Horror Picture Show!”Now Watch ThisFB: @nowwatchthispodIG: @now_watch_this_podGive us a buzz! Send a text, dudes!Check us out on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Totally Rad Christmas Mall & Arcade, Teepublic.com, or TotallyRadChristmas.com! Later, dudes!

Today we are talking money & woo. Everything from scarcity around money, anxiety, fears, identity work right through to manifesting money and all the woo. More from me & to work together go to KirstyDee.comText the show. Ask a question

In this special Business of Woo-themed episode of The Skeptical Shaman podcast, host Rachel White (of TOTEM Readings) chats with friend of the show Britt Sundkulla-Sinclair of Golden Thread Alchemy all about her transition from part-time working witch, astrologer and death doula to a full-time Woo-based business owner!And, not only does Britt describe what this transition has been like-- and what it demands in terms of working hours, promotional/ unpaid efforts, and very early mornings-- but she also explores the strange devolution in human interaction (and mutual respect) that has been accelerating since the Covid-19 pandemic. Clients and customers of the Woo just aren't behaving the same anymore, requiring Woo-based business owners to make some necessary but unpleasant changes like: charging for previously free events, making rules at group workshops re: topics to not discuss, and requiring deposits or up-front payment for one-on-one sessions.But it's not all Debbie Downer sh*t! Within all of this minutea and restructuring are tremendous silver linings, perhaps the most important of which is that this cycle is separating the tourists and casuals from the serious, life-long, real deal experts. If you're a Woo-based business owner navigating these trying times, just remember: every day that you don't give up, you're passively taking market share from those that do!And that means that you'll get to continue to be of service, fulfill your life's purpose, and continue to "touch the Woo" every damn day!LINKS:Rachel's Website: https://www.totemreadings.comTOTEM Readings Substack: https://totemrach.substack.comRachel's Other Links: https://linktr.ee/totemrachPlease support the Sponsors of The Skeptical Shaman Podcast:The TOTEM Flower Essence Deck: https://a.co/d/gw16LsGThe TOTEM Tarot Deck: https://totemreadingsatx.etsy.com/listing/1492934343The TOTEM Flower Essences: https://www.etsy.com/shop/TotemReadingsATXTOTEM Spiritual Transformation Coaching: https://www.totemreadings.com/coachingTOTEM Business of Woo Mentoring: https://www.totemreadings.com/business-of-wooBritt's LINKS:Website: https://www.goldenthreadalchemy.comSubstack: https://goldenthreadalchemy.substack.com/Please note: The views and opinions expressed on The Skeptical Shaman do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, protected class, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything. And remember: sticks and stones may break our bones, but words—or discussions of religious or spiritual topics-- will never hurt us.

Woo boy, this one is stinker. Bring a hose.

Drs. Jeffrey Jensen and Johanna Richey, welcome Dr. Renee Woo to the Dean's Chat podcast! Dr. Renee Woo, DPM is a board-certified podiatrist proudly serving the Bay Area through Bay Area Foot Care in San Leandro, CA. A San Leandro native, she returned home after earning her Doctor of Podiatric Medicine from the California School of Podiatric Medicine in 2016 and completing her residency at the VA Central Alabama Healthcare System in 2019. Dr. Woo's practice focuses on sports medicine, bunion surgery, regenerative injections, wound management, diabetic foot care, and trauma treatment, caring for patients of all ages—from athletes to those simply seeking healthier, pain-free mobility. Her commitment and compassion have earned her recognition as the CPMA Humanitarian of the Year (2023) and Rising Star of the Year (2024). Beyond her clinical work, Dr. Woo enjoys a vibrant and active lifestyle. She's an athlete at heart—once a collegiate water skier at the University of Alabama—and today she still loves skiing, yoga, and live sports. A true foodie, she also enjoys cooking and exploring new dining experiences around the Bay Area. Through her dedication to patient care, her community roots, and her passion for healthy living, Dr. Woo continues to make a meaningful impact in podiatric medicine and beyond.

It's getting tense in the postseason with the road to the World Series being littered with fallen teams, hopes, dreams, fingernails, and sanity. The Yankees have blessedly joined the fallen today (Oct 8), but the Phillies, Dodgers, Cubs, Brewers, Mariners, Tigers, and Blue Jays remain, each with Asian and Asian American players to root for. We recap the Wild Card Series and the Divisional Series so far, setting up next week's League Championship Series. Two teams in the NL and two in the AL to fight for their shot at baseball glory. Yamamoto had been lights out, Suzuki rediscovered his power swing, Woo is out for the ALDS, Sasaki is crushing in relief, and Ohtani started hot, but has since looked lost at the plate. Lots to still be determined. And it's going to be explosive, tense, and a hell of a lot of fun.

Send us a textNuclear theft, a smirking supervillain, and a train sequence that refuses to quit—our rewatch of John Woo's Broken Arrow is a love letter to the wildest corners of '90s action. We kick off Todd's birthday stream with a question we can't stop asking: why do some “bad” movies age into perfect Friday-night fun? From the opening boxing match that telegraphs John Travolta's heel turn to the copper mine countdown and that infamous dummy shot, we break down what's silly, what's sharp, and what still absolutely rocks.We talk craft first—Woo's kinetic framing, musical stings that brand the villain, and the set-piece logic that prioritizes momentum over realism. Travolta's Deakins is a performance to savor: cigarette choreo, off-kilter affectations, and one-liners delivered like souvenirs. Christian Slater's Riley Hale adds human scale—witty, bruised, and just competent enough to keep the chase honest. We dig into how Graham Yost (Speed) trades tight architecture for sprawling fun, why the $20 running gag works as a narrative thread, and how the movie sneaks in actual smart bits—like using an EMP to flip a helicopter from hunter to wreckage.Along the way, we spotlight Samantha Mathis's Ranger Terry, Delroy Lindo's steady presence, and the movie's unapologetic '90s DNA: practical explosions, miniature mayhem, and VHS-ready quips. Yes, the physics are friendly, the Pentagon is plot-convenient, and helicopters can't aim—but the joy is real. And that train finale? Still a banger. We finish with what we're watching now (Marvel Zombies and Chad Powers) and tease next week's spooky-season pick: Freddy vs. Jason.If you're nostalgic for maximalist action or just crave a good-bad gem that plays great with friends, queue this one up, then hit play on our breakdown. Subscribe, share with a fellow Woo fan, and drop your favorite Travolta line in the comments. Ain't it cool?Written Lovingly with AIBe our friend!Dan: @shakybaconTony: @tonydczechAnd follow the podcast on IG: @hatewatchingDAT

Woo and Big Hes are back after a break and get right to it. Hes opens up by giving Woo the flowers he has earned which also made Hes realize what type of friend Woo is. After the break, the fellas discuss the Diddy sentencing and Ayeshia Curry latest cry for attention. Lastly, Hes shared a Woosah Moment of the Week. Don't forget to download the NspireU on Air App, go to Contentville and catch all the new episodes on Mondays. Why??? It's the Wooisms Way.

Catherine McKenna joined me in person for a live recording of this episode at the Naval Club of Toronto here in our east end. We discussed her new book ‘Run Like a Girl', lessons learned from her six years in federal politics, the reality of political harassment, the tension between party loyalty and telling it like it is, and why we should be wary of “grand bargains” on climate with oil and gas companies.Catherine served as Environment and Climate Change Minister from 2015-2019 and Infrastructure Minister from 2019-2021. She's now the founder and CEO of Climate and Nature Solutions and chairs a UN expert group advising the Secretary General on net zero commitments.Read further:Run Like A Girl - Catherine McKenna (2025)https://www.catherinemckenna.caChapters:00:00 Introduction & Run Like A Girl Book05:32 Lessons from Politics: Hard Work & Balance08:52 Climate Barbie & Political Harassment15:26 Running for Office in Ottawa Centre23:17 Being a Team Player vs. Speaking Truth32:05 Leaving Politics40:30 Climate Policy & the Oil & Gas “Grand Bargain”48:24 Supporting Others in Politics52:56 Carbon Pricing Communication Failures59:13 Gender Balance, Feminism & Cabinet01:04:04 Final Thoughts & ClosingTranscript:Nate Erskine-Smith00:02 - 00:38Well, thank you everyone for joining. This is a live recording of the Uncommon's podcast, and I'm lucky to be joined by Catherine McKenna, who has a very impressive CV. You will know her as the former Environment Minister. She is also the founder and CEO of Climate and Nature Solutions, a consultancy focused on all things environment and nature protection. And you may or may not know, but she's also the chair of a UN expert group that gives advice to the Secretary General on net zero solutions. So thank you for coming to Beaches East York.Catherine McKenna00:38 - 00:56It's great to be here. Hello, everyone. And special shout out to the guy who came from, all the way from Bowmanville. That's awesome. Anyone from Hamilton, that's where I'm originally found. All right. Nice, we got a shout out for Hamilton. Woo-hoo.Nate Erskine-Smith00:57 - 01:19So I ran down a few things you've accomplished over the years, but you are also the author of Run Like a Girl. I was at, you mentioned a book launch last night here in Toronto, but I attended your book launch in Ottawa. And you can all pick up a book on the way out. But who did you write this book for?Catherine McKenna01:21 - 02:58So, I mean, this book has been a long time in the making. It's probably been five years. It was a bit of a COVID project. And you'll see, it's good, I've got my prop here, my book. But you'll see it's not a normal kind of book. So it has a lot of images of objects and of, you know, pictures, pictures of me getting ready to go to the state visit dinner that was hosted by Obama while I'm trying to finalize the text on climate. So it's got like random things in it, but it's intended for a much broader audience. It's really intended to inspire women and girls and young people. And I think that's particularly important right now because I work on climate and I think it's really hard. Do people here care about climate? Yes, I imagine here you care about climate. I mean, I actually think most Canadians do because they understand the wildfires and they see the smoke and people are being evacuated from communities and you can't get insurance if you're in a flood zone. But I do think in particular we need to bolster spirits. But also it's a book, it's really about how to make change. It's not like people think it's like a political memoir. So I think, you know, fancy people in politics will look at the end of the book to see if their name is there and maybe be disappointed if it isn't. But it's not really that kind of book. It's like I was a kid from Hamilton. I didn't want to be a politician. That wasn't my dream when I grew up. I wanted to go to the Olympics for swimming. And spoiler alert, I did not make the Olympic team, but I went to Olympic trials.Nate Erskine-Smith02:59 - 02:59You're close.Catherine McKenna03:00 - 04:05I was, well, closest, closest, but, but it wasn't, I mean, you know, life is a journey and that wasn't, it wasn't sad that I didn't make it, but I think it's just to hopefully for people to think I can make change too. Like I didn't come as a fully formed politician that was, you know, destined to be minister for the environment and climate change. So in particular for women and young people who are trying to figure out how to make change, I think it's a little bit my story. I just tried to figure it out. And one day I decided the best way to make change was to go into politics and get rid of Stephen Harper. That was my goal. He was my inspiration, yes, because we needed a new government. And yeah, so I really, really, really am trying to reach a much broader audience because I think we often are politicians talking to a very narrow group of people, often very partisan. And that's not my deal. My deal is we need everyone to be making change in their own way. And I want people who are feeling like maybe it's a bit hard working on climate or in politics or on democracy or human rights that you too can make change.Nate Erskine-Smith04:06 - 05:17And you were holding it up. I mean, it's a bit of a scrapbook. You've described it. And it's also honest. I mean, there was some media coverage of it that was sort of saying, oh, you said this about Trudeau, calling him a loofer. And there's a certain honesty about I've lived in politics and I'm going to call it like it is. But what I find most interesting is not the sort of the gotcha coverage after the fact. It's when you go to write something, you said you're not a writer at the launch that I saw in Ottawa, but you obviously sat down and were trying to figure out what are the lessons learned. You've had successes, you've had failures, and you're trying to impart these lessons learned. You mentioned you sort of were going down that road a little bit of what you wanted to impart to people, but you've had six years in politics at the upper echelon of decision-making on a really important file. I want to get to some of the failures because we're living through some of them right now, I think. Not of your doing, of conservative doing, unfortunately. But what would you say are the lessons learned that you, you know, as you're crystallizing the moments you've lived through, what are those lessons?Catherine McKenna05:19 - 07:12It's funny because the lessons I learned actually are from swimming in a way that actually you got to do the work. That, you know, you set a long-term goal and, you know, whatever that goal is, whatever you hope to make change on. And then you get up and you do the work. And then you get up the next morning and you do the work again. And sometimes things won't go your way. But you still get up the next morning. And I think it's important because, like, you know, look, I will talk, I'm sure, about carbon pricing. We lost the consumer carbon price. There's a chapter. It's called Hard Things Are Hard. I'm also, like, really into slogans. I used to be the captain of the U of T swim team. So I feel like my whole life is like a Nike ad or something. Hard things are hard. We can do it. But yeah, I mean, I think that the change is incremental. And sometimes in life, you're going to have hard times. But the other thing I want people to take from it is that, you know, sometimes you can just go dancing with your friends, right? Or you can call up your book club. I would sometimes have hard days in politics. And I was like, oh, gosh, that was like, what? happened. So I'd send an email, it would say to my book club. So if you have book clubs, book clubs are a good thing. Even if you don't always read the book, that would be me. But I would be SOS, come to my house. And I'd be like, all I have is like chips and wine, but I just need to hang out with regular people. And I think that's also important. Like, you know, life is life. Like, you know, you got to do the work if you're really trying to make change. But some days are going to be harder and sometimes you're just trying to hang in there and I had you know I had I have three kids one of them they're older now one of them is actually manning the the booth selling the books but you know when you're a mom too like you know sometimes you're going to focus on that so I don't know I think my my lessons are I I'm too gen x to be like you've got to do this and INate Erskine-Smith07:12 - 07:16learned this and I'm amazing no that's not writing a graduation speech I'm not I'm not writing aCatherine McKenna07:16 - 08:43graduation speech and I don't know that you know the particular path I took is what anyone else is going to do I was going to I went to Indonesia to do a documentary about Komodo dragons because my roommate asked me to so that led me to go back to Indonesia which led me to work for UN peacekeeping and peacekeeping mission in East Timor but I think it's also like take risks if you're a young person Like, don't, people will tell you all the time how you should do things. And I, you know, often, you know, doubted, should I do this, or I didn't have enough confidence. And I think that's often, women often feel like that, I'll say. And, you know, at the end, sometimes you are right. And it's okay if your parents don't like exactly what you're doing. Or, you know, people say you should stay in corporate law, which I hated. Or, you know, so I don't know if there's so many lessons as a bit as, you know, one, you got to do the work to, you know, listen to what you really want to do. That doesn't mean every day you're going to get to do what you want to do. But, you know, if you're really passionate about working human rights, work on human rights, like figure out a way to do it and then also have some fun. Like life can feel really heavy. And I felt that during COVID. I think sometimes now after, you know, looking at, you know, social media and what Donald Trump has done or threatened to do, it can feel hard. So I think it's also OK to to just check out and have fun.Nate Erskine-Smith08:44 - 08:46I like it. Well, there aren't lessons, but here are three important lessons.Catherine McKenna08:48 - 08:50I am a politician. It's good. Well, it's OK.Nate Erskine-Smith08:50 - 09:57You mentioned a few times really writing this book in a way to young people and specifically to young women to encourage them to to make a difference and to get involved. and yet politics, we were both drawn to politics, I think for similar reasons, and it is one of the most important ways to make a difference, and I wanna get to you. There are other ways to make a difference, of course, but there's a bit of a tension, I think, in what you're writing, because you're writing this encouragement to make a difference, and politics is so important, and on the flip side, you document all sorts of different ways that politics has been truly awful, the absurdity of, I knew the ridiculous idiocy of Climate Barbie, but I didn't actually appreciate that you had these bizarre men coming to your house to take selfies in front of your house. That's just a next-level awfulness. And so how do you, when you're talking to young people, to encourage them on the one hand, but also you don't want to shield them from the awfulness, and we all want to make politics a more civil, better place, but these are problematic tensions.Catherine McKenna09:58 - 10:42Yeah, I mean, look, I thought a lot about what I wanted to say about like the hate and abuse that I got, but also my staff got. I mean, they come to my office and start screaming. And of course, everything's videotaped. So and, you know, there were incidents at my house. And so I first of all, I believe in being honest. Like, I just believe in it. I believe that people deserve the truth. But also in this case, I wasn't looking for sympathy. I'm out of politics. I don't need sympathy, but we need change. And so I think the only way, one of the only ways we get changed, and you know how hard it is to get policy, like online harm legislation. We still have not gotten online harm. In a way, it's kind of unfathomable that we can't just get it. Like, we know that online.Nate Erskine-Smith10:42 - 10:43C5 happened real quick, though. Don't worry.Catherine McKenna10:43 - 10:43Okay.Catherine McKenna10:44 - 10:48Well, luckily, I'm not in politics anymore. I'm not in politics anymore.Catherine McKenna10:48 - 11:48I just do my thing. But I do think that by documenting this, I'm hoping that people will read it and say, well, wait a minute, that's not OK, because that's how we will get the support to get legislation to make sure that we hold social media platforms accountable. that's the way that we will be able to get people to say to politicians, you cannot go and do personal attacks and then go spread them online to get to get clicks. And that we can get proper protection for politicians, which I don't love, but actually we need that sometimes. So I think that it is important to say that I don't want people to feel down because I have multiple purposes in the book. Like people are talking about this. And I've had a number of my female politician friends saying thank you for stepping up because now people are taking it more seriously because they're like wow that was bad like climate barbie sounds kind of quaint now but climate barbie led to a whole bunch of things that led to a bunch of things that led to rcmp finally being outside my house whichNate Erskine-Smith11:49 - 12:05wasn't amazing but at least i felt safe but it's one thing to say quaint but it normalizes a misogyny that is that is awful right yeah so it's and it might it might not be a direct threat it might not be taking a selfie outside of your home which is an implicit threat but it is it's normalizing an awfulness in our politics.Catherine McKenna12:06 - 12:10Yeah, I mean, it is. From other politicians. It was a former minister in Harper's CabinetNate Erskine-Smith12:10 - 12:11who started it, right?Catherine McKenna12:11 - 12:21It was, or at least amplified it. We'll go there, like the climate Barbie. Okay, so climate Barbie is, it's quite weird because now my kids are like, well, Barbie went to the moon.Catherine McKenna12:21 - 12:22Barbie was an asteroid.Catherine McKenna12:23 - 14:57Quinn is here, like, you know, Barbies are, like, you know, not that big a deal. The thing is, if you are my age, if anyone here is 50 or over, I think you're pretty clear when someone who's 50 or over calls you climate barbie there's a lot going on in that and i said nothing like i was actually baptized climate barbie very early on um by a rage farming alt-right outlet they are not media and that's what they do this is their game they go after progressives to make money actually um for clickbait but i didn't do anything for so long um and i guess my team was lovely and i had a lot of really awesome women and they're like just don't do it because you'll they'll know that you know they can go after you um and so i'm at the un actually it's like seven years ago i was just at the un last week yes i heard donald trump but i was there to work on climate but it was the same thing it was the end of a really long day i was going back to the hotel i was actually in the hotel lobby some crabby hotel with my team and i look at my phone i was like why is my twitter exploded what has happened and then i see the climate barbie tweet and i said to my team. I said, okay, I'm sorry. I'm just going to have to deal with this situation. And they knew, like, I'm, when I say I'm dealing with it, I'm going to deal with it. And so I, I, you know, I'm a lawyer by training. So I, you know, try, I am Irish. I've got the hot headed side and then I've got the lawyer rational side. So I was like, okay, what am I going to say? There's going to call it out, but in a way that isn't falling into the trap of just calling names. So I said, it's in this book. I'm not going to get exactly right, but it was something like, would you use that kind of language with your girlfriend, wife, mother? You're not chasing women out of politics. Your sexism is going to chase women, whatever it was. And what was so interesting about this, and this is why in this book, I do the same thing, is that it went viral. And I wasn't trying to do this. I was trying to shame him so he would stop. And people like would stop me in the streets. And it would be, you know, conservative men, they'd be like, I'm a conservative, I'm ashamed. This is not acceptable. And I really appreciate this. This is how you stand up to bullies. And I thought, oh, this is important that we do this every once in a while, because often as a woman, you're kind of supposed to take it because otherwise you look a bit weak. And I realized actually the power is other people saying that this is not okay. So I actually appreciate that you call it out. You will see in my book. I will just let me see if I can find it. I also, like, kind of bizarrely, a bunch of, like, men would send me Barbies with really mean notes.Catherine McKenna14:57 - 15:04So they'd go to a store, buy a Barbie, then go and find the address of my constituency office or my ministerial office,Catherine McKenna15:05 - 15:32and then send it with a note that they personally addressed. Like, that's kind of weird. So anyway, the funny thing is, I guess, is it funny? I don't know. It's just it. There's a Barbie. This is actually a picture of one of the Barbies that was sent. We would normally put our Barbies in the Christmas toy drive. I guess we figured might as well give it to, you know, kids that would like the Barbie. But I found one when I was cleaning up my office. And I was like, oh, I'm going to just keep that. I'm going to like, you know, just keep that. So you can...Nate Erskine-Smith15:32 - 15:33No one's sending you Barbies.Catherine McKenna15:33 - 15:38I have a book of just... No one's sending you Barbies. Glorious things that people have sent, like written notes that people have sent over the yearsNate Erskine-Smith15:38 - 16:33where you're just like, this is the most bizarre thing to have received. And, you know, in 10 years in politics, the scrapbook grows. So speaking of, you mentioned Harper being an inspiration of sorts. You also have said, I'm just a regular person who wanted to make a change. And politics, you also said, I didn't want to be a politician. I want to be an Olympian. But you also document Sheila Copps as someone you looked up to. You mentioned your dad being very political. And Pierre Elliott Trudeau was the person in politics who was a bit of an inspiration for your dad and family. And so Harper, obviously, a motivating force for me as well in the lead up to 2015. I think there's a whole class of us in the lead up to 2015 that wanted a different kind of politics. How did you get on the ballot, though? It was you were a lawyer and you thought, no, this is this particular moment. Were people tapping on the shoulder and saying, come on, Catherine, now's the time?Catherine McKenna16:37 - 18:52Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a funny story because women often have to be asked multiple times. The thing is, I'd already been asked before 2015. And it's kind of funny because I saw my friend last night who's part of the story. So when Stéphane Dion was running, I went back to Hamilton. So that's where my parents, my dad passed away. But that's where my parents lived. And I was walking up my street. And the head of the riding association was like, would you like to run? So the election, I think, was already called. I'm pregnant. I live in Ottawa. And so I was like, oh, maybe I should think about that. So I asked my friend. He's like, well, I guess you won't have to knock on doors. So that was my first time getting asked. I did not run then. But I ran a charity that did human rights, rule of law, and good governance. I'd started this charity after having lived abroad with a friend. And, I mean, it was like banging your head on a wall in the pre-Harper times. We were trying to support human rights. We were working with indigenous youth in Canada focused on reconciliation. I cared about climate change. I was like, all of these things I'm trying to do outside of the system are a complete and utter waste of time. So I thought, OK, we've got to get rid of the government. So that's my theory of change now. My theory of change was create this charitable organization, and it's just not getting the impact. So I decided I was going to run, but I was in Ottawa Centre. So I don't know if many of you know Ottawa Centre. It's actually where Parliament's located, so it's great. It's a bike ride to work. But it was Paul Dewar, who was a really beloved NDP member of parliament. His mother had been mayor. And I really like Paul, too. But the reality is you've got to win, right? So you've got to win enough seats so you can form government. So I ran for two years. And it's interesting because I just decided to run. I canvassed, and so maybe the woman, this will maybe resonate a little bit. So I was like, okay, I really want to run, but I kind of need permission. I don't know why I thought I needed permission, but I did. So I went the rounds. And I like the Liberal Party, but it can be like an inside club. And I wasn't from Ottawa Centre. And so I think people were like a bit perplexed. They're like, we're kind of keeping this riding for a star candidate. And I was like, okay, what the heck? Who's a star?Catherine McKenna18:52 - 18:53Like, what's a star candidate?Catherine McKenna18:53 - 19:07Is that like a male lawyer who gives a lot of money to the Liberal Party? Like, I was like, seriously, what is a star candidate? Yeah, that's what it is. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. I don't know. You are a male. I ran when I was 29 and had no money.Nate Erskine-Smith19:07 - 19:09That was a setup. That was a setup.Catherine McKenna19:09 - 20:15No, it wasn't. Okay. Anyway, we'll just blow by that one. You're a little bit unusual. Okay. So we'll take you out of that. But anyway, it's quite funny because then I was like, and then people were like, actually, you should just get the party to go get you another riding that's winnable. So I was like, okay, on the one hand, you need a star candidate here for this great riding that, but on the flip side, no one can win. So I was like, okay, I don't really know. So I looked at, like, you know, I'm not a fool. I was a competitive swimmer. I want to win. So I looked at the numbers, and I realized, like, you know, if Justin Trudeau was then leader, if we did super well, we were in third place, and it was two years out. But if I worked really hard and we did super well, there was a shot at winning. So I just decided I'm going to run. And I got the chapters called The New Girls Club. And then I had men supporting me. It was fine. But I literally had a lot of women who were just like, I don't know if you can win. This is kind of bonkers. You're doing it. But I'm going to step up and give you some money. I'm going to go help sell nominations. And at that point, you had to sell them. And no one wanted to buy a nomination.Catherine McKenna20:15 - 20:20People are like, I don't want to be a party. I want to join a party, especially a liberal party.Catherine McKenna20:22 - 21:04And so those of you who are thinking about politics, how do you win a nomination? I was trying to sell memberships and people weren't buying them. I was like, oh gosh, every night I'm going out, I've got these kids and I'm going out and talking to people. And I'm spending two hours and getting one or two nominations, people signing up. So I actually realized it was my kids' friends' mothers whose names I didn't know. I just knew their kids. And I think they were like, wow, we don't really know anyone that would go into politics. But we actually think you'd be pretty good. And your kids would kind of nice. And I don't know. I'll just sign up. I don't care.Catherine McKenna21:04 - 21:06And so it was actually really heartening.Catherine McKenna21:07 - 23:15And I will say, like, for all the bad of politics, and there is some bad for sure. And you will read about it in my book. That campaign for two years, like, we knocked on more than 100,000 doors. We had the highest voter turnout in the country. We had, I had my own rules. Like, I was like, we're going to do this in the way that I believe in. and you know some like some of it was following the bomb a snowflake model like you know we wanted to run hard but we also engaged kids and it wasn't like we had just like a kid area we would have kid canvases and I just felt important to me and we went to low income parts of the riding where some people said they're not going to vote or we went to university we went to university residents they're like they're not going to vote actually they turned out in strong numbers and I got a ton of volunteers who, and people that knew my name, because like someone who knows someone who knows someone. So it was great. But I will say like, that's the one thing about getting involved in politics. You may be here. I met a couple of you who said younger people who said you'd like to run. You can do it. You don't need permission. You're gonna have to hustle. You're gonna have to build your team. But this isn't an in club. And I do sometimes worry that politics feels like an in club and it shouldn't be that like we need everyone who wants to step up and get involved in however they want to get involved to be able to do that and so that's my lesson read that chapter hopefully you feel quite inspired and when I knocked on the last door I didn't know if I would win or not but I knew we'd left it all on the ice and I felt great like I was like we also have another woman who has run here it's Kelly is it Kelly who's run a couple times you know what it's like like you build a team. Now you were in a super hard riding. I do hope you run again. But it, it's just this feeling of doing something that matters and bringing people together in a common cause that is bigger than yourself. And it's about believing you can improve lives and you can tackle climate change. So that was a great I hope you read it and feel like you can do it too, if you want to run because you can, I will say you got to work hard. That is one of the most important thing doors gotNate Erskine-Smith23:15 - 23:36got a knock on doors well so i want to get back to though you were emphasizing one this idea of an insider culture but at the same time the need to have a really local presence and it was people who who were on the ground in the community who who ultimately helped get you over the finish line the nomination i mean here you know sandy's working the bar i went to high school with his kids andCatherine McKenna23:36 - 23:41he signed up in the nomination you got sandy and he got us a beer and and you got claire and fredNate Erskine-Smith23:41 - 24:44here who again i went i went to high school with their kids and they signed up in the nomination probably for joining the Liberal Party for the first time. And you go down the list, and there are people who are behind you locally. And in part, I think when you get started, now you go, okay, well, I know this person in the party, I know that person in the party, I've lived in the party for 12, 13 years. But I was 29 when I was starting to run the nomination. No one was tapping me on the shoulder and going, like, you're a star candidate, whatever that means, as you say. And so it does require that desire to say, no one has to ask me. I'm going to go do it and I'm going to build my own local team. But it also gets, I think, at another tension of who is your team? Because you say at one point, sometimes you need to be on the outside so you can push the inside to do more. And so you're on the outside now and you can be probably more honest in your assessment of things and more critical. I have tried, though, at times over the 10 years to play that same role in caucus.Catherine McKenna24:46 - 24:49What? Nate? I thought you were always all in on everything. Yeah, all in on everything.Nate Erskine-Smith24:50 - 25:32But it does get to this idea of team. It's like, be a team player, be a team player, be a team player. And the answer back is, well, who's your team? And yeah, sure, of course the team is the Liberal caucus, but the team is also people in Beaches of East York, the people who are knocking doors with the nomination, people who are knocking doors in the election. And they also want accountability. They also want the party and the government to be the best version of itself. And so do you find you were when you think back at the six years that you were in. I mean, cabinet's a different level of solidarity, obviously. But do you think it's possible to navigate that, you know, critical accountability role inside the tent? Or do you think it's essential as you are now to be outside to play that, you know, that that truth function?Catherine McKenna25:34 - 25:46I mean, that's a that's a really hard question because I mean, I'm a team person. I just sound like I was captain of a swim team. But that doesn't team. So it's different. Like, I'll just have to distinguish like being in cabinet.Catherine McKenna25:47 - 25:52Like you do have cabinet solidarity. But in cabinet, let me tell you, like I spoke up.Catherine McKenna25:52 - 26:50I like everyone didn't didn't always like it, but I felt like I had an obligation to just say things. And that was as much to myself as it was to anyone else. But then once you do that, you know, there is this view that then you stand with the team or else you leave cabinet. That is hard. That is hard. But it's probably less hard than being in caucus where you feel like you might have less influence on the issues. The one time I felt this was actually when I was out, but it was hard to do. And this is when I spoke up and I said I felt it was time for Justin Trudeau to step down, like to like have a leadership race to allow someone new to come in. And it was funny because I got like all these texts like and I was out. Right. So you think not such a big deal. But I got texts from people and like saying, who do you think you are? Like, you know, we're a liberal team. And I was like, OK, this is weird because I get team, but team doesn't equal cult.Nate Erskine-Smith26:52 - 26:52Welcome to my world.Catherine McKenna26:56 - 28:06Nate and me, are we exactly the same? Probably not exactly the same, but no, no. but I think it's true because I was like, well, wait a minute. We also owe it to, in that case, it was also like, we got to win. Are we going to just go? Is this the way it's going? We're just going to allow us to go down even though it's clear that the wheels have come off the cart. And that was hard. But I thought about it, and I was just so worried about the other option. Like Pierre Paulyab, that was too much. And I was like, okay, if I can make a bit of a difference, I will take a hit. It's fine. But I like, look, there is it is really hard to navigate that. And I mean, obviously, if it's super chaotic and no one's supporting things, I mean, the government will fall and you can't get agendas through. There does have to be some leeway to say things like that is important. It's that line and the tension. And I know you've you've felt it. And, you know, we haven't always been on the same side of those things, probably. But that is hard. That is hard. And I don't know that there's any easy answer to that because you can't always be in opposition because you can't govern.Catherine McKenna28:07 - 28:09So I would actually put that to you, Nate.Catherine McKenna28:10 - 28:38No, but I think it's an interesting question for you because, as I said, I was in cabinet, so it was a little bit easier. I mean, you literally have to vote with the government. But for you, there were times that you decided to, you know, be your own voice and not necessarily, well, not when I say not necessarily, not support, you know, the government's position. like how did you make decisions on that like how do you decide this is the moment i'm going to do that sometimes i care but i don't care as much or maybe i've done it you know a few times and iNate Erskine-Smith28:38 - 31:51should stay together like how did you how do you make that choice so i i think that uh trudeau and running for his leadership one thing that drew me to him actually he was calling for generational renewal at the time which which appealed to me but he was also talking about doing politics differently and whether that promise was entirely realized or not you know you lived around the cabinet table you you know more than me in some ways but I would say the promise of freer votes was incredibly appealing to me as the kind of politics that I that I want to see because I do think you you want that grassroots politics you want people to be it sounds trite now but that idea of being voices for the community in Ottawa not the other way around but there is a there's a truth to that. And so how do you get there and also maintain unity? And I think they navigated that quite well when in the leadership and then it became part of our platform in 2015, he articulated this idea of, well, we're going to have whipped votes on platform promises. Do I agree with everything in the platform? No, but I'll bite my tongue where I disagree and I'll certainly vote with the government. Two, on charter rights and human rights issues. And then three, and this is more fraught but on confidence matters more fraught i say because there were moments where they made certain things confidence matters that i didn't think they should have but you know that was that was the deal and that was the deal that you know you make with constituents it's the deal that you make with with members of the liberal party beyond that i think it's more about how you go about disagreeing and then it's making sure that you've given notice making sure that you've explained your reasons i i've i've uh i've joked i've been on many different whips couches but uh andy leslie i thought was the best whip in part because he would say why are you doing this and you'd run through the reasons he goes well have you have you engaged with them like do they know yeah well have they tried to convince you otherwise yeah and but here are the reasons okay well sounds like you thought about it kid get in my office and it was a there was a you could tell why he was an effective general because he he built respect as between you uh whereas you know the other approach is you have to vote with us. But that's not the deal, and here's why. And it's a less effective approach from a whip. But I would say how you, you know, I've used the example of electoral reform. I wasn't going and doing media saying Justin Trudeau is an awful person for breaking this promise, and, you know, he's, this is the most cynical thing he could have possibly have done, and what a bait and switch. I wasn't burning bridges and making this personal. I was saying, you know, he doesn't think a referendum is a good idea. Here's why I think there's a better forward and here's why I think we here's a way of us maintaining that promise and here's why I don't think we should have broken the promise and you know different people in the liberal party of different views I think the way we go about disagreeing and creating space for reasonable disagreement within the party outside the party but especially within the party really matters and then sometimes you just have to say there's an old Kurt Vonnegut line it's we are who we pretend to be so be careful who you pretend to be and I think it's double each room politics and so you know you want to wake up after politics and think I did the thing I was supposed to do when I was there. And sometimes that means being a good team player, and other times it means standing up and saying what you think. Okay, but back to questions for you.Catherine McKenna31:52 - 31:57Do you like that one? That was pretty good. Just put Nate on the hot speed for a little bit.Nate Erskine-Smith31:59 - 33:01You can ask me questions, too. Okay, so I was going to ask you why not politics, but you've sort of said, I've heard you say you felt that you were done, and you did what you came to do. But I want to push back on that a little bit, because you did a lot of things, especially around climate. First climate plan, you put carbon pricing in place, a number of measures. I mean, that gets all the attention, and we can talk about the walk back on it. But there's stringent methane rules, there were major investments in public transit, there's clean electricity. You run down the list of different things that we've worked towards in advance. And then we talk about consumer carbon pricing, but the industrial carbon piece is huge. Having said that, do you worry you left at a time when the politics were toxic, but not as toxic as they are today around climate and certainly around carbon pricing? And do you feel like you left before you had made sure the gains were going to be protected?Catherine McKenna33:02 - 33:11I think the lesson I learned, you can never protect gains, right? Like, you're just going to always have to fight. And, like, I can't, like, when am I going to be in politics? So I'm, like, 120?Catherine McKenna33:12 - 33:12Like, sorry.Catherine McKenna33:14 - 34:43And it is really true. Like, when I, the weird thing, when, so I'd been through COVID. I had three teenagers, one who, as I mentioned, is here. And I really thought hard. Like, I turned 50. And, like, I'm not someone who's, like, big birthdays. It's, like, this existential thing. I wasn't sad. It was, like, whatever. But I was, like, okay, I'm 50 now. Like, you know, there's what do I want to do at 50? I really forced myself to do it. And I really felt like, remember, I got into politics to make change. So I just thought, what is the best way to make change? And I really felt it wasn't, I felt personally for myself at this point, it wasn't through politics. I really wanted to work globally on climate because I really felt we'd done a lot. And I did think we kind of landed a carbon price. and we'd gone through two elections and one at the Supreme Court. So I felt like, okay, people will keep it. We will be able to keep it. So I just felt that there were other things I wanted to do, and I'd really come when I – you know, I said I would leave when I had done what I'd come to do, and that was a really important promise to myself. And I really want to spend time with my kids. Like, you give up a lot in politics, and my kids were going off to university, and I'd been through COVID, and if any parents – anyone been through COVID, But if you're a parent of teenage kids, that was a pretty bleak time. I'd be like, do you guys want to play another game? And they're like, oh my God.Audience Q34:43 - 34:44As if, and then they go to their bed.Catherine McKenna34:44 - 35:15They'd be like, I'm doing school. And I'd be like, as if you're doing school, you're online. Probably playing video game. But what am I going to do, right? Let's go for another walk. They're like, okay, we'll go for a walk if we can go get a slushie. And I was like, I'm going to rot their teeth. And my dad was a dentist. So I was like, this is bad. But this is like, we're engaging for 20 minutes. Like it was really hard. And so I actually, when I made the decision, like, but the counter, the funny thing that is so hilarious now to me is I almost, I was like, I'm not going to leave because if I leave, those haters will thinkCatherine McKenna35:15 - 35:16they drove me out.Nate Erskine-Smith35:16 - 35:18So I was like, okay, I'm going to stay.Catherine McKenna35:18 - 35:20And like, it was bizarre. I was like, okay.Nate Erskine-Smith35:20 - 35:21I don't want to stay when I'm staying. I don't want to stay.Catherine McKenna35:21 - 35:46I don't think this is the most useful point of my, like, you know, part of what I, you know, this is this useful, but I'm going to stay because these random people that I don't care about are actually going to say, ha ha, I chased her out. So then I was like, okay, well, let's actually be rational here and, you know, an adult. So I made the decision. And I actually felt really zen. Like, it was quite weird after I did it, where it was actually politicians who would do it to me. They'd be like, are you okay?Catherine McKenna35:47 - 35:49And I'd be like, I'm amazing.Catherine McKenna35:49 - 36:05What are you talking about? And, like, you know, it was as if leaving politics, I would not be okay. And then people would say, like, is it hard not to have stuff? I was like, I'm actually free. I can do whatever I want. I can go to a microphone now and say whatever. Probably people will care a lot less. But I don't.Nate Erskine-Smith36:05 - 36:07You can do that in politics sometimes too.Catherine McKenna36:08 - 36:08Yes, Nate.Nate Erskine-Smith36:09 - 36:09Yes, Nate.Catherine McKenna36:09 - 39:32We know about that. Yeah, it was just. So anyway, I left politics. I was not. I do think that what I always worried about more than actually the haters thinking they won. It was that women and women and girls would think I love politics because of all the hate. And once again, I'll just repeat it because it's very important to me. The reason I say the things that happened to me in the book is not because I need sympathy. I don't. We do need change. And I felt when I left, I said I would support women and girls in politics. One of the ways I am doing it is making sure that it is a better place than what I had to put up with. Now, sadly, it's not because it's actually worse now. I hear from counselors. I hear from school board trustees. I hear from all sorts of women in politics, but also men, however you identify. Like, it's bad out there. And it's not just online. It is now offline. People think they can shout at you and scream at you and take a video of it, like put it in the dark web or wherever that goes. So, you know, that's bad. But I feel like, you know, people are like, oh, we got to stop that. And that's what's important. There's a nice letter here. So as I said, I have like random things in here. But there's this lovely gentleman named Luigi. I haven't talked about Luigi yet, have I? So I was at the airport and this gentleman came over to me. And I still get a little nervous when people, because I don't know what people are going to do. Like I probably 99% of them are very nice, but it only takes one percent. So I always get like slightly nervous. And I don't mean to be because I'm actually, as you can see, quite gregarious. I like talking to people, but never exactly sure. And he hands me a note and walks away. And I'm like, oh, God, is this like an exploding letter? Who knows? And I open it and it's in the book. So I'll read you his letter because it actually, I put it towards the end because I think it's really important. because you can see I asked Luigi if I could put his note so his note is here so Ms. McKenna I did not want to disturb you as I thought so I thought I would write this note instead because I identify as a conservative in all likelihood we probably would disagree on many issues I find it quite disturbing the level of abuse that you and many other female politicians must endure. It is unfortunate and unacceptable, and I make a point of speaking out when I see it. I hope that you take consolation in the fact that you and others like you are making it easier for the next generation of women, including my three daughters, Luigi. And I was like, this is like the nicest note. And I think that's also what I hope for my book like I hope people are like yeah we can be we can actually disagree but be normal and you know okay with each other and probably most people are um most people are like Luigi are probably not paying attention but there are people that aren't doing that and I think they're also fed sometimes by politicians themselves um who you know really ratchet things up and attack people personally and And so that's a long answer to I can't even remember the question. But I mean, I left politics and I was done. And that's not related to Luigi, but Luigi is a nice guy.Nate Erskine-Smith39:34 - 41:21It's a I think I've got those are my questions around the book. But I do have a couple of questions on climate policy because you're living and breathing that still. And although it's interesting, you comment about politicians. I mean, there's a deep inauthenticity sometimes where politicians treat it as a game. And there's these attacks for clicks. Or in some cases, especially when the conservatives were riding high in the polls, people were tripping over themselves to try and prove to the center that they could be nasty to and that they could score points and all of that. And so they all want to make cabinet by ratcheting up a certain nastiness. But then cameras get turned off and they turn human beings again to a degree. And so that kind of inauthenticity, I think, sets a real nasty tone for others in politics more generally. But on climate policy, I was in Edmonton for our national caucus meeting. I think I texted you this, but I get scrummed by reporters and they're asking me all climate questions. And I was like, oh, this is nice. I'm getting asked climate questions for a change. this is good. This is put climate back on the radar. And then a reporter says, well, are you concerned about the Carney government backtracking on climate commitments? And I said, well, backtracking on climate commitments. I mean, if you read the book Values, it'd be a very odd thing for us to do. Do you worry that we are backtracking? Do you worry that we're not going to be ambitious enough? Or do you think we're still, we haven't yet seen the climate competitiveness strategy? I mean, you know, here's an opportunity to say we should do much more. I don't know. But are you concerned, just given the dynamic in politics as they're unfolding, that we are not going to get where we need to get?Catherine McKenna41:22 - 42:31I mean, look, I'm like you. You know, first of all, I did get into politics. I wasn't an expert on climate, but I cared about climate because I have kids. Like, we have this truck that's coming for our kids, and I'm a mother, so I'm going to do everything I can. I was in a position that I learned a lot about climate policy, and climate policy is complicated, and you've got to get it right. But look, I mean, you know, Mark Carney knows as much about, you know, climate as an economic issue as anyone. And so, I mean, I'm certainly hopeful that you can take different approaches, but at the end of the day, your climate policy requires you to reduce emissions because climate change isn't a political issue. Of course, it's very political. I'm not going to understate it. I know that as much as anyone. But in the end, the science is the science. We've got to reduce our emissions. And you've probably all heard this rant of mine before, but I will bring up my rant again. I sometimes hear about a grand bargain with oil and gas companies. We did a grand bargain with oil and gas companies.Catherine McKenna42:31 - 42:31How did that work out?Catherine McKenna42:31 - 42:32Yeah.Catherine McKenna42:32 - 42:33How did that work out? Tell us. How did that work out?Catherine McKenna42:33 - 47:27Let me tell you how that worked out. So we were working really hard to get a national climate plan. And I saw it as an obligation of mine to work with provinces to build on the policies they had. The Alberta government had stood, so it was the government of Rachel Notley, but with Murray Edwards, who's the head of one of the oil and gas companies, with environmentalists, with economists, with indigenous peoples, saying, okay, this is the climate plan Alberta's going to do. A cap on emissions from oil and gas. a price on pollution, tough methane regs, and, you know, some other things. And so then we were pushed, and it was really hard. I was the Minister of Environment and Climate Change, where we had a climate emergency one day, and then we had a pipeline. The next, I talk about that. That was hard. But the reality is, we felt like that, you know, the Alberta government, we needed to support the NDP Alberta, you know, the NDP government at the time early on. And so then what did we get? Like, where are we right now? We basically, none of the, either those policies are gone or not effective. We got a pipeline at massive taxpayer costs. It's like 500% over. We have oil and gas companies that made historic record profits, largely as a result of Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. What did they do with those profits? They said that they were going to invest in climate solutions. They were going to reduce their emissions. They were all in. But instead, they give their CEOs massive, massive historic bonuses. I'm from Hamilton. That's not a thing when you get these massive historic record bonuses. At the same time, they gave the money back to shareholders who were largely Americans. While they demanded more subsidies to clean up their own pollution, while we are in a climate crisis that is a fossil fuel climate crisis. I now feel taken for a fool because I believed that the oil and gas, like in particular, the oil sands would live up to their end of the bargain. You will see in the book also, I don't know, I probably can't find the page fast enough. I did pinky promises with kids because all these kids came up to me all the time and they said, like, I'm really working hard on climate change. You know, I've got a water bottle. I'm riding my bike. I'm doing like a used clothing drive, whatever it was. And I said, you know what? I'm doing my part, too. Let's do a pinky promise like a pinky swear. And we will promise to continue doing our part. Well, we all did our part. By the way, basically everyone in all sectors have done their part except for oil and gas when they had massive historic record profits. And I wrote a report for the UN Secretary General on greenwashing. And they were exhibit A, exhibit A on what greenwashing looks like, like saying you're doing things that you are not doing and while you're lobbying to kill every policy. So I just hope that people aren't taken for fools again. Like the grand bargain should be they should live up with their end of the bargain. Like that is what bargains are. You got to do what you say you were going to do. And they didn't do it. And as a result, it's extremely hard for Canada to meet our target because they are 30% and growing of our emissions. So I also think like, why are we paying? Why would taxpayers pay? So, look, I don't know. Hard things are hard, as my mug says that I was given by my team because I said it every single day, about 12 times a day. You have to make very tough decisions in government. And we're in a trade war. And also defending our we have to absolutely stand up and defend our sovereignty against the Trump regime, which is very dangerous and very destabilizing. but at the same time we can't not act on climate climate is a here and now problem it's not this fire problem like all these people were evacuated from communities the cost of climate change is massive people are not going to be able to be insured that's already happening and so i just think you gotta walk and chew gum you gotta like figure out how to you know build and grow the economy but you also need to figure out how to tackle climate change and reduce your emissions and to be honest, hold the sector that is most responsible for climate change accountable for their actions and also for their words because they said they were going to act on climate and they supported these policies and they are now still fighting to kill all these policies. You almost can't make it up. And I just don't think Canadians should be taken for fools and I think you've got to make a lot of choices with tax dollars. But I'm not in government And I think, you know, we have, you know, Mark Carney, he's very smart. He's doing a great job of defending Canada. You know, I think like everyone, I'm waiting to see what the climate plan is because it's extremely important. And the climate plan is an economic plan as much as anything else.Nate Erskine-Smith47:28 - 48:23And on that, I would say not just an economic plan, but when you talk about national resiliency, there's a promise in our platform to become a clean energy superpower. There's a promise in our platform to create an east-west transmission grid. And just in Ontario, when you look at the fact that not only are they doubling down on natural gas, but they're also importing natural gas from the United States. When solar, wind, storage is actually more cost effective, investments in east-west transmission grid and in clean energy would make a lot more sense, not only for the climate, not only for the economy, but also as a matter of resiliency and energy independence as well. Okay, those are my questions. So thank you for... Give a round of applause for Calvin. Thank you for joining. With the time that we've got left, Christian, we've got, what, 10, 15 minutes? What time is it? Okay, great. Okay, so does anyone have questions for Ms. McKenna?Audience Q48:25 - 49:09It's a question for both of you, actually. You guys have both been trailblazers in your own right, I think, inside and inside of politics. And you talk a lot about building your community and building your team, whether it's swimming or local politics, and also demanding space in those places to be competitive, all the way up from your local team up to the prime minister. But I'm curious on the other side of that, what does it look like to be a good teammate inside and inside of politics, and how do we support more people, for those of us that might not be running, but trying to get more people like you? Or maybe as an example, somebody that supported you in your run?Catherine McKenna49:11 - 49:56well i mean look i'm trying to do my part and so what i did and it's like what most of you did you go support people that you think are good that are running so i in the last election i went and i supported people that i thought were serious about climate including in ridings that we had never won before um and i also well probably especially those writings um and i also supported women candidates that was just a choice I mean but I think everyone getting involved in politics is a great way to do it but also you know when you think there's someone good that might be good to run you know you know talk to them about it and as I said for women they need to be asked often seven times I think is it so like for women maybe just start asking and if we get to the seventh time maybeNate Erskine-Smith49:56 - 51:38really good women will run and I would add I suppose just on locally I have found one, going into schools and talking politics and encouraging people to think about politics as an opportunity has translated into our youth council. It's then translated into our young liberals internship over the summer where we make sure people are able to be paid to knock on doors and just maintain involvement. And then a number of those people come through either our office and then they're working in politics in the minister's office or in the prime minister's office or they're going to law school or they're adjacent to politics and helping other people and just encouraging people to at least be close to politics so that they see politics as a way to make a difference, there will then be people that will want to run from that or help encourage other people to run. The second thing, and I'll use Mark Holland as an example, when I was running the nomination and I didn't have contacts in the party, but I had someone who knew Mark Holland and he gave me advice to think about it like concentric circles when you're running a nomination where you have people who are close to you and then the people who are close to you will have 10 people that are close to them that maybe they can sign them up for you or maybe they just are they open the door and I you know if so if someone opens the door to a conversation with me I feel pretty confident that I can close the sale but if the door is closed in my face I'm not gonna I'm not gonna even have an opportunity to and so just that idea of building out you start with your your home base and you build out from there build out from there so I just think I have in the last week had conversations with two people who want to run for office at some point, they're both under the age of 30, and I've given that same kind of advice of, here's what worked for me. It may work for you, it may not, it depends, but find where your home base is, and then just grow from there. And so I think just spending time, likeAudience Q51:39 - 52:30giving one's time to give advice like that is really important. Yeah. Building on that, that's, I wanted to, because I think that does nicely into what you said earlier, Catherine, about and really encouraging young women in particular to get into politics. But it's not just, it's all the peripheral people, people that are peripheral to politics, your concentric circles, so that you don't necessarily have to run for an office. And I appreciate what you've done for girls. But I also want you to know that, I mean, I'm older than you, and still you are a role model to me. Not only that, though, I have sons in their mid to late 20s. and I've made sure you're a role model and women like you are a role model to them because I think that's how change begins.Nate Erskine-Smith52:32 - 52:34This was entirely planted just for you, by the way.Catherine McKenna52:35 - 52:37No, but I think that's...Nate Erskine-Smith52:37 - 52:40So I do think that's important, right?Catherine McKenna52:40 - 53:26My book is not... Run Like a Girl, I'm a woman, I identify as a woman and there's a story about how I was told I ran like a girl and so it really bugged me. So it's kind of a particular thing. But I think that is important. Like, you know, this isn't exclusive. Although, you know, there are, you know, certain different barriers, at least that I'm aware of, you know, that if you're a woman, if you're LGBTQ2+, if you're racialized or indigenous, there could be different barriers. But I hear you. And I think, you know, we do have to inspire each other in a whole range of ways. So that is very nice. I hope that, I mean, I'm not, you know, looking to, you know, you know, for kudos. I really, but it is nice to hear that you can inspire people in a whole different way, you know, range of ways.Audience Q53:26 - 53:47It's really, yeah, it's really not about kudos. It's about, you know, it's not that my intent is not just to applaud you. It's just, it's to, it's to recognize you. And that's different, like being seen, holding place, holding space for people to be involved. And so I do have one actual question of this.Catherine McKenna53:48 - 53:50You can ask a question after that.Audience Q53:51 - 53:57Regarding pricing, carbon pricing, how would you communicate the rollout differently?Catherine McKenna53:58 - 54:43Well, I would actually fund it. So hard things at heart, I'm like, okay, well, first of all, we know the Conservatives were terrible. They lied about it. They misled. They didn't talk about the money going back. The problem is, like, we hampered ourselves too. And it was really quite weird because I was like, okay, well, we need an advertising budget because clearly this is a bit of a complicated policy. But the most important thing I need people to know is that we're tackling climate change and we're doing it in a way that we're going to leave low income and middle income people better off. You're going to get more money back. That's very, very important. The second part of the message is as important because I knew the conservatives were going to be like, you're just increasing the price of everything. But we were told we couldn't advertise. And I was like, why? And they said, well, because we're not like conservatives because they had done the, what was the plan?Nate Erskine-Smith54:43 - 54:51The economic action plan. The signs everywhere. They basically, what Ford does now, they were doing it.Catherine McKenna54:51 - 57:40So that sounds really good, except if you're me. Because I was like, well, no one really knows about it. So I'm like one person. And we got some caucus members, not all of them. But Nate will go out and talk about it. Some people will talk about it. But I said, people are entitled to know what government policy is, especially in this particular case, where you've literally got to file your taxes to get the rebate. Because that was the second mistake we made. I was told that we couldn't just do quarterly checks, which would be much more obvious to people, even if it was automatically deposited, you actually named it properly, which was another problem. But, you know, all of these things that are just normal things. And instead, we were told, I was told by the folks in the Canada Revenue Agency, there's no way we could possibly do quarterly checks. after COVID, when we did everything, we blew everything up, then they were like, oh, actually, and this was after me, but they were like, we can do quarterly chaps. I was like, well, that's really helpful. Like, that would have been nice, like a little bit longer, you know, like the beginning of this. And so I think like, we do need to be sometimes very tough, like, don't do things that sound great and are not, are really hampering your ability to actually deliver a policy in a way that people understand. So like, it's just a hard policy. Like, you know, people say, would you have done, what would you have done differently? Yes, I would have communicated it differently. I tried. Like, I was out there. I went to H&R Block because I saw a sign, and they were like, climate action incentive. Oh, by the way, we couldn't call it a rebate because the lawyers told us injustice. We couldn't do that, and I'm a lawyer. I was like, what? And so I should have fought that one harder too, right? Like, I mean, there's so many fights you can have internally as well, but, you know, there I am. I was like, oh, H&R Block, they're doing free advertising for us because they wanted people to file their taxes, so then I would make, I said to all caucus members, you need to go to your HR block and get a family. I don't even want to see you necessarily. I want a family to be sitting down being told they're getting money back. And, and so like, look, I think it's just a hard policy. And, and what happened though, I mean, read hard things are hard, but the chapter, but it's, um, and people will be like, I'm definitely not reading that chapter. You can skip chapters. This book is like, go back and forth, rip things out. I don't, you don't have to read it in chronological order or read particular chapters. But was if the price is going to go up every year, every year you better be ready to fight for it because every year you're literally creating this conflict point where conservatives are like, they're on it. They're like spending so much tax dollars to mislead people. Remember the stickers on the pump that fell off? That was quite funny. They actually fell off. But you're going to have to fight for it. And so we just, it's a hard, it's a very hard policy. I did everything I could. And I don't live with life with regrets. I think it was really important. And by the way, it's a case study outside of Canada.Catherine McKenna57:41 - 57:42Everyone's like, Canada.Catherine McKenna57:42 - 57:52I was like, oh, yeah, there is like a little different ending than you might want to know about what happened. But they're like, yes, this is, of course, how we should do it. Should be a price on pollution. Give the money back.Nate Erskine-Smith57:52 - 58:38I went to a movie at the Beach Cinema with my kids. And there was an ad. This is years ago. But there was an ad. So we were advertising. But it was advertising about the environment climate plan. and it was like people in canoes. And I was like, what is this trying to, like we're spending how much money on this to tell me what exactly? And I went to, Stephen was the minister, and I went, Stephen, can we please advertise Carbon Pricing Works, it's 10 plus percent of our overall plan, and 80% of people get more money back or break even. Just tell people those three things, I don't need the canoe. and then he was like oh we can't we we they tell it they tell us we can't do it no no and that'sCatherine McKenna58:38 - 58:55what you're often told like it is kind of weird internally the amount of times you're told no like on advertising it is a particular thing because like and so then you're like having a fight about comms i was like oh my gosh can we don't think the canoe is going to win this carbon and it didn't turns out i love canoeing by the way so maybe it would have convinced me if i wasNate Erskine-Smith58:55 - 59:01i think last question we'll finish with that with maryland hi i'm maryland and i also happen to beAudience Q59:01 - 01

We’re back to talk the 1985 Berenstain Bears TV show with episode two! It’s “The Spooky Old House” and “The Fly-Away Pizza!” Woo hoo?

In this special Business of Woo-themed episode of The Skeptical Shaman podcast, host Rachel White (of TOTEM Readings) chats with Cardsy B (of the Hex and the City podcast) all about what life is really like as a full-time working witch in residence at one of Manhattan's premier boutique hotels.And, while there's some literal magic in Cardsy's workdays, there is also the reality of the Business of Woo: the increasing exertion required to maintain healthy client boundaries, navigate parasocial dynamics, and process untethered-- and often nasty-- criticism that cuts to the core of your character.The bottom line? You can't make everybody happy all of the time, so Woo-based business owners and full-time psychic practitioners need to establish codified "shop policies" that enable them to stay consistent while conserving their precious energy while working with the general public. In this episode, Rachel and Cardsy chat about what a psychic session is supposed to deliver. Spoiler alert: getting a tarot reading or psychic sessions isn't actually a good way to manage anxiety, nor can a reading or session actually shift the material reality of your life. It's just a diagnostic, and one that the client should come away from feeling empowered and ready to tackle the world of free will-- just with better data;)LINKS:Rachel's Website: https://www.totemreadings.comTOTEM Readings Substack: https://totemrach.substack.comRachel's Other Links: https://linktr.ee/totemrachPlease support the Sponsors of The Skeptical Shaman Podcast:The TOTEM Flower Essence Deck: https://a.co/d/gw16LsGThe TOTEM Tarot Deck:https://totemreadingsatx.etsy.com/listing/1492934343The TOTEM Flower Essences: https://www.etsy.com/shop/TotemReadingsATXCardsy B's LINKS:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cardsyb/Linktree: https://bio.cardsyb.com/Please note: The views and opinions expressed on The Skeptical Shaman do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, protected class, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything. And remember: sticks and stones may break our bones, but words—or discussions of religious or spiritual topics-- will never hurt us.

It's a Football (baseball) Friday and we are soooooooo ready for the ALDS. We now have an opponent and a game time as the M's face the Tigers and things get underway tomorrow at 5:38pm. :30- ABCs of the Mariners - E is for Everyone as in everyone is invited to check out our postseason coverage- a roundtable today and postgame shows following every game! - F is for Ferguson as in Caleb. Could he end up playing a pretty significant role in the playoffs? - G is for Gilbert or George: maybe the decision on starter #1 isn't between Gilbert and Castillo, but between Gilbert and Kirby and it's looking more and more like Woo might not even make the roster. :45- The Seahawks host the Buccaneers on Sunday and it's time for our No Cliché Keys to Victory!

It's a Football (baseball) Friday and we are soooooooo ready for the ALDS. We now have an opponent and a game time as the M's face the Tigers and things get underway tomorrow at 5:38pm. :30- ABCs of the Mariners - E is for Everyone as in everyone is invited to check out our postseason coverage- a roundtable today and postgame shows following every game! - F is for Ferguson as in Caleb. Could he end up playing a pretty significant role in the playoffs? - G is for Gilbert or George: maybe the decision on starter #1 isn't between Gilbert and Castillo, but between Gilbert and Kirby and it's looking more and more like Woo might not even make the roster. :45- The Seahawks host the Buccaneers on Sunday and it's time for our No Cliché Keys to Victory! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Matt's Top 5 Strengths are:  Adaptability, Context, Positivity, Woo & Belief Elizabeth's Top 5 Strengths are: Harmony, Relator, Discipline, Empathy & Focus  Matt and Elizabeth live in Orlando, FL with their two sons, Caleb (2.5) and Shepherd (11 months). They met while serving in Italy with Cru, and recently moved back to the States. They now work at Cru's global headquarters, Matt in Risk Management and Elizabeth in Leadership Development and Human Resources. In their free time, they enjoy family walks, watching football, and making pancakes for breakfast. They are enjoying this season of stewarding their strengths through parenting their two boys and stepping into new ministry roles.  Find out your strengths by taking the CliftonStrengths Top 5 Assessment   Workshops and Coaching with Barbara Culwell Subscribe & Leave a Review on Embrace Your Strengths    

Playoff baseball starts today and the Mariners, like us fans will be watching the wildcard round to see our next opponent. We spoke with Mariners GM Justin Hollander yesterday about the week off, preparing for the playoffs, Woo's injury update and roster decisions, ICYMI! :30- We are at the quarter mark of the 2025 NFL season and the Seahawks are 3-1. So, how are we feeling about this team in Mike MacDonald's 2nd year? :45- While the Mariners ALDS opponent remains in question, so does the game times for the weekend at T Mobile Park. We won't know until after the wildcard round concludes, but there's a chance the game time to alter the kickoff of the Seahawks game on Sunday. When is it most likely the Mariners will play both days? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Headlines and 12th Man News with GREGG BELL (Tacoma News Tribune) What is Gregg hearing about the Seahawks game time possibly being moved? Rumors have been swirling that Riq Woolen is on the trade block, Is there any merit to the rumors? What's up with Emmanwori? Will we see him on the field against the Bucs on Sunday? :30- ABCs of the Mariners - Y is for Young: Hollander didn't say who will make the postseason roster, but Young has a real shot to make it. Will it come down to him or Mastrobuoni? - Z is for Zest: we were hoping for a little more zest from Hollander when asked about Woo. He made it sound like he will make the roster, but not play in the ALDS. :45- Troy Aikman took the refs and the NFL to task last night after he'd seen far too many flags. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Playoff baseball starts today and the Mariners, like us fans will be watching the wildcard round to see our next opponent. We spoke with Mariners GM Justin Hollander yesterday about the week off, preparing for the playoffs, Woo's injury update and roster decisions, ICYMI! :30- We are at the quarter mark of the 2025 NFL season and the Seahawks are 3-1. So, how are we feeling about this team in Mike MacDonald's 2nd year? :45- While the Mariners ALDS opponent remains in question, so does the game times for the weekend at T Mobile Park. We won't know until after the wildcard round concludes, but there's a chance the game time to alter the kickoff of the Seahawks game on Sunday. When is it most likely the Mariners will play both days?

Headlines and 12th Man News with GREGG BELL (Tacoma News Tribune) What is Gregg hearing about the Seahawks game time possibly being moved? Rumors have been swirling that Riq Woolen is on the trade block, Is there any merit to the rumors? What's up with Emmanwori? Will we see him on the field against the Bucs on Sunday? :30- ABCs of the Mariners - Y is for Young: Hollander didn't say who will make the postseason roster, but Young has a real shot to make it. Will it come down to him or Mastrobuoni? - Z is for Zest: we were hoping for a little more zest from Hollander when asked about Woo. He made it sound like he will make the roster, but not play in the ALDS. :45- Troy Aikman took the refs and the NFL to task last night after he'd seen far too many flags.

On today's Daily Puck Drop, Jason “Puck” Puckett is joined by the Go-2-Guy, Jim Moore hat the start of the show and they have a lot to cover from the Mariners sitting back and watching who they will play in the divisional series, the embarrassment that was the American crowd at the Ryder Cup and the weekend that was for the Cougars and Huskies.  Michael-Shawn Dugar from The Athletic is back for “The Dugar Report” as he and Puck briefly touch on Thursday's win over Arizona, plus, Riq Woolen's name has been mentioned in trade discussions, how did it get to this point?  Finally, Mike and Puck react to the comments from Richard Sherman on Russell Wilson during the Thursday Night game. “Old School Baseball” with Bill Krueger is a full playoff preview for the Seattle Mariners.  If Bryan Woo can't go in game one, who does Bill think should start?  What about the possibility of saving Woo for game three on the road?  They also discuss who can be the Mariners unsung hero in the playoffs?  Puck wraps up with, “Hey, what the Puck!?”     The New York crowd embarrassed America and left a stain on how we are percieved around the world. (1:00) Puck and Jim (38:39) Michael-Shawn Dugar, The Athletic (1:04:20) Bill Krueger, “Old School Baseball”  (1:40:50) “Hey, What the Puck!?”

**DISCLAIMER: The VIDEO keeps glitching and Spotify had no idea why - we have previous of ghosts fucking with the cameras - so APOLOGIES for when it cuts out.** Big S has had a BIRTHDAY! Woo. She got some gifted some lurgy and Hannah discusses her perfect murder. Can't stop won't stop banging on about the amazing true crime podcast that is WEST CORK, check it out on Audible huns it's so good... and tell us thoughts??? Where and when would you go back in time? We'd turn the clock back to solve a crime.  Lastly, Big S decides to tell everyone about ZOMBIE FUNGI ANTS. MIND BLOWN. Also Hannah has been haunted by a perverted ghost. Honk Honk.  Stories: 1) Big S has a short ghost story from CORNWALL. What did they see in their headlights? 2) Big S has a story called The Patchwork Man by Quincy Lee - have a read here!  https://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/1bd1m30/does_anyone_remember_the_rhyme_about_the/ 3) Hannah has a creepy story about danger in the woods...  Creep of the Week is narrated by Big S and from Sadie - Charlie the ghost pays the kids a visit... THANKS HUN!!!  ENJOY THIS EPPY HUNS SOZ FOR THE GLITCHES BACK TO NORMAL NEXT WEEK  xoxoxo  JOIN OUR PATREON! EXTRA bonus episodes AND a monthly ghost hunt for just £4.50!  Or £6 for AD-FREE EPS and weekly AGONY HUNS! We'll solve your problems huns!  Sign up here: www.patreon.com/GhostHuns Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's playoff time! The regular season is over and it is officially time for the playoffs. The Mariners have the week off while we await their matchup for the ALDS starting at home on Saturday. Did they get the things accomplished that they needed to over the weekend? We would have liked to see Woo throw a bit, but it seems like they got some people much needed rest and got others some much-needed at-bats. :30- Mariners Morning After The Mariners got swept by the Dodgers over the weekend and we aren't even remotely worried or bothered by it. They had their spot locked up and there wasn't much they could have done to change that. Now it's time to focus on the ALDS. :45- Grab your cold turkey sandwich, it's time to check the week 4 NFL scoreboard!

It's playoff time! The regular season is over and it is officially time for the playoffs. The Mariners have the week off while we await their matchup for the ALDS starting at home on Saturday. Did they get the things accomplished that they needed to over the weekend? We would have liked to see Woo throw a bit, but it seems like they got some people much needed rest and got others some much-needed at-bats. :30- Mariners Morning After The Mariners got swept by the Dodgers over the weekend and we aren't even remotely worried or bothered by it. They had their spot locked up and there wasn't much they could have done to change that. Now it's time to focus on the ALDS. :45- Grab your cold turkey sandwich, it's time to check the week 4 NFL scoreboard! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this special Business of Woo-themed episode of The Skeptical Shaman podcast, host Rachel White (of TOTEM Readings) chats with friend of show Nichole Bigley (of A Psychic's Story) about the constantly shifting, evolving and demanding business and technology landscape in the Business of Woo.Nichole hosts the #1 Spiritual podcast in the world, which might give folks the impression she has a big team of tech-savvy backroom geniuses at the ready on a minute-by-minute basis. But, as Nichole explains in this episode, that's just not how the Business of Woo really works!What's more: with the exponential increasing rate of change in every vector of modern life-- and especially within the realm of technology and related tools-- managing the ever-expanding world of social media platforms, online course systems, and much, much more is a full-time job all on its own! Never mind the fact that very few of us working psychics, shamans and energy workers aren't exactly tech experts to begin with-- unless, of course, you see a deck of tarot cards as a spiritual technology!But it's not all bad news-- there's a serious silver lining in the Business of Woo, which Nichole and Rachel dig into, offering solutions and several white pills on the future of our "industry"!LINKS:Rachel's Website: https://www.totemreadings.comTOTEM Readings Substack: https://totemrach.substack.comRachel's Other Links: https://linktr.ee/totemrachPlease support the Sponsors of The Skeptical Shaman Podcast:The TOTEM Flower Essence Deck: https://a.co/d/gw16LsGThe TOTEM Tarot Deck:https://totemreadingsatx.etsy.com/listing/1492934343The TOTEM Flower Essences: https://www.etsy.com/shop/TotemReadingsATXNichole's Website: https://www.apsychicsstory.com/about-a-psychics-storyLooking for Angels Book: https://a.co/d/hIZK2f9Nichole's IG: https://www.instagram.com/apsychicsstory/Please note: The views and opinions expressed on The Skeptical Shaman do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, protected class, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything. And remember: sticks and stones may break our bones, but words—or discussions of religious or spiritual topics-- will never hurt us.

"In Your Dreams" is an upcoming American animated adventure fantasy comedy film directed by Alex Woo, and co-directed by Erik Benson from a script by Woo and Benson and a story by Woo, Benson, and Stanley Moore. The film stars Craig Robinson, Simu Liu, Cristin Milioti, Jolie Hoang-Rappaport, Elias Janssen, Gia Carides, Omid Djalili, SungWon Cho, and Zachary Noah Piser. Produced by Netflix Animation and Kuku Studios, it is set for a limited theatrical release on November 7th, 2025, before its release on Netflix on November 14th, 2025. Giovanni Lago visited Netflix studios a few weeks ago and was able to screen a portion of the film before sitting down with director Woo and producer Tim Hahn to discuss the upcoming animated film, which you can listen to below. Check out more on NextBestPicture.com Please subscribe on... Apple Podcasts - https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/negs-best-film-podcast/id1087678387?mt=2 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7IMIzpYehTqeUa1d9EC4jT YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWA7KiotcWmHiYYy6wJqwOw And be sure to help support us on Patreon for as little as $1 a month at https://www.patreon.com/NextBestPicture and listen to this podcast ad-free Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to Heroes Three podcast! This week we're joined by SWIMFANS co-host Jennifer Hocking to close out our summer arc with 2002's critically acclaimed crime drama, Infernal Affairs!Check out some H3 art and merch! - https://www.teepublic.com/user/kf_carlito Full cast and credits - HKMDBFind us online - https://linktr.ee/Heroes3PodcastEmail us! - heroes3podcast@gmail.com⁠Listen to SWIMFANS!⁠Timestamps(0:00) Intro(1:09) Jennifer Hocking(2:00) The Departed(7:51) Andrew Lau and behind the scenes stuff(13:14) Back of the VHS(13:58) Movie Recap(1:20:53) Final thoughts(1:29:40) Listen to Swimfans!(1:33:25) The End??

RUNDOWN   We've got full-on playoff fever! Mitch transforms into “Mr. Playoffs,” breaking down worst-case scenarios, magic numbers, and the Mariners' path to clinching the AL West, the No. 2 seed, and even the slim shot at the top seed. From playoff math to the weekend's biggest headlines on the field — the Seahawks crush the Saints 44–13 behind special teams fireworks and a near-perfect day from Sam Darnold. Mitch is joined by Brady Farkas and Joe Doyle to break down one of the most cathartic series in Mariners history — a sweep of the Astros in Houston. The trio cover dominant starting pitching, Victor Robles' season-saving catch, and Brian Wu's ace-level performance despite injury concerns. Mitch, Jacson Bevens and Brady Henderson break down Seattle's 44–13 demolition of the Saints. The discussion includes Sam Darnold's near-perfect day, a record 95-yard punt return by Tory Horton, and another statement from Mike Macdonald's defense despite missing key starters. Mitch and Rick Neuheisel dive into a loaded week of college football, from Nebraska's collapse to Washington's upcoming showdown with No. 1 Ohio State. Rick shares why Husky QB Julian Sayin is already on his Heisman radar, reflects on his emotional return to Husky practice, and explains where UW must hold up against the Buckeyes. They also preview Oregon–Penn State, Alabama–Georgia, and talk Clemson's stunning stumble, before Rick makes his Week 5 pick.   GUESTS   Brady Farkas | Host, Refuse to Lose Podcast (Mariners on SI) Joe Doyle | MLB Draft & Mariners Analyst, Over-Slot Substack Brady Henderson | Seahawks Insider, ESPN Jacson Bevens | Writer, Cigar Thoughts Rick Neuheisel | CBS College Football Analyst, Former Head Coach & Rose Bowl Champion   TABLE OF CONTENTS   0:00 | Mr. Playoffs: Mariners' Magic Number Math Gets Real 24:11 | BEAT THE BOYS - Register at MitchUnfiltered.com 27:25 | Seahawks Roll, Mariners Sweep, and Huskies Brace for Ohio State 48:03 | GUEST: Mariners No-Table; Sweeping Houston, Woo's Injury, and Cal's MVP Push 1:25:15 | GUEST: Seahawks No-Table; Darnold Shines, Defense Dominates, Special Teams Explodes 1:51:55 | GUEST: Rick Neuheisel; on Huskies' Big Test, Ducks at Penn State, and College Football Chaos 2:35:33 | Other Stuff Segment: John Denver's hometown mystery and the 351 area code in Massachusetts, Dennis Leary's Worcester roots, the formation of the J. Geils Band and their hits Freeze Frame, Love Stinks, and Centerfold, Dodgers legend Clayton Kershaw's retirement and Hall of Fame résumé, Kyler Murray's social media misstep in a Michael Vick jersey, a bizarre disqualification at the US Mid-Amateur golf championship involving Mercer Island's Paul Mitzel, a scandal at the World Stone Skimming Championship in Scotland, Stanford basketball's surprise five-star commitment from Aziz Olajuwon, SeaTac Airport ranking 17th out of 20 major airports, and frustrations with inconsistent TSA rules across airports, before moving into RIPs: Robert Redford, and former Cowboys linebacker D.D. Lewis, remembered for saying Texas Stadium had “a hole in the roof so God can watch His favorite team play,” at 79. HEADLINES include researchers in Norway suggesting the first butthole might have been for sperm instead of poop, a highway spill of M&Ms, NASA denying a three-eye atlas is an alien ship, and two teenagers in China ordered to pay $300,000 after peeing in a restaurant hot pot.

Title: Capital Raising is the New Superpower: How to Win in Any Economy with Hunter Thompson Summary: In this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, host Seth Bradley engages with Hunter Thompson, a prominent figure in the world of passive income investing. They discuss the current economic landscape, including rising interest rates, inflation, and the inverted yield curve, and how these factors impact real estate investments. Hunter shares his entrepreneurial journey, emphasizing the importance of diversification and capital raising in passive investing. The conversation also touches on strategies for navigating the current market and the significance of education and mentorship in achieving financial freedom. Links to watch and subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9QZ1WTVLUE Bullet Point Highlights: Passive income allows you to practice when you want, not because you have to. Rising interest rates and inflation are significant factors in real estate investing. Diversification is key to mitigating risks in real estate investments. Capital raising can be a hybrid approach to passive investing. Understanding economic indicators can help predict market trends. Real estate is a hedge against inflation, benefiting from rising rents. Investors should focus on net operating income (NOI) when evaluating properties. Education and mentorship are crucial for success in investing. Speed in decision-making can lead to better investment opportunities. Having a virtual assistant can help manage time effectively.  Transcript: Seth Bradley (00:10.42) What's going on law nation. Welcome to the passive income attorney podcast, the best place for learning about the world of alternative passive investing so that you can practice when you want to and not because you have to. So if you're ready to kick that billable hour to the curb, start by going to attorneybydesign.com to download the freedom blueprint, which will also get you access to partner with us on one of our next passive real estate investments and   We have a live deal right now. It's a 506 C opportunity for accredited investors only with a target preferred return of 15%. Yes, 15%. You heard that right. So jump on that. If you have a chance today, let's talk about when and what to invest in. There's been a lot of chatter about waiting for the right time to jump in over the last, I don't know. I'd say five years or so.   because everyone has their own prediction on when the next 2008 might happen. But well, other than the blip caused by the recent global pandemic, we haven't seen that natural correction yet. And who really knows when that will be? Nobody does. But what we have seen are very strong influences that could impact the real estate market in the very near future. And you know what I'm talking about?   I'm talking about rising interest rates. I'm talking about a highly inflationary environment that we're all feeling combined with, you know, an under supply that's creating a high demand and skyrocketing prices. So with all these different factors culminating right now, what does it all mean? What can we predict after factoring in all these things? Well, you're about to find out.   In this episode, one of my favorite investing personalities, Hunter Thompson shares his expert insights into this economic melting pot that's happening right now and how you can capitalize on it before you get left behind. Hunter is the founder of ACM Capital and who has acquired over $150 million of mobile home parks, self-storage retail office, ATM machines and cryptocurrency assets.   Seth Bradley (02:29.868) Hunter is also the host of the cashflow connections, real estate podcast, which has received over 1 million downloads. He's also wrote raising capital for real estate, which hit number one on Amazon in real estate sales and selling really stoked for this guys. Let's go.   This is the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, where you'll discover the secrets and strategies of to make Start living the good life on your own terms. Now, here's Seth Bradley.   the ultra.   Seth Bradley (02:57.475) y'all   Seth Bradley (03:09.518) Here's your host.   Hunter Thompson, what's going on? Rather welcome to the show.   Hey, thanks a lot. Our honor to on.   Absolutely, man. You're someone I personally look up to a lot and holding high regard in this industry. So super stoked to have you on the show today, man. Thanks again. Absolutely, man. So look, you've been on a ton of podcasts and you know, you're the host of your own successful show, cashflow connections. So I got to ask who's the real Hunter Thompson.   and mutual.   Hunter Thompson (03:38.894) So, I mean, you know, someone asked me like, if I had to say one word that identify it's entrepreneur man. And I think everyone listens to that. That's probably that speaks to them because anybody listened to the show, they take an entrepreneurial approach to reality and to their lives. Like we were not born passive real estate investors, right? In fact, we had to find this stuff out on our own to a large degree. And   A lot of us were kind of taught a lot of myths about investing, you know, save only invest in the stock market. For some reason, dividends can pay off your expenses at some points. Like you have to have a $40 million net worth to do that, you know? And so that feeling of like, man, I may have been lied to about some of the most important things in life kind of inspired me to go down a cool path and, you know, break some rules along the way, but here we are.   Nice. I love it, man. So dive in a little bit deeper. Tell us a little bit about your background and your story, and then we'll jump into it.   Sure, so I think for a lot of people when they talk about real estate and like their history in the space, 2008 is gonna come up. And that's the same for me. But I was very insulated from that risk. So was in college during 2008, but I saw what took place and I had a background as an entrepreneur and a poker player. And so I wasn't really like investing in the stock market, but when 2008 happened, saw flood was in the streets and I heard the quotes from the billionaires that said, that's when you should be buying.   And so I basically went all in on education. I was obsessed with CNBC. Jim Kramer was like the biggest fan of his, just reading everything from Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger, all those guys and started to follow financial markets, even dabbled in day trading a bit. And then something happened, started to have success as anybody that did that started in 2008, by the way. But it wasn't really until 2010 that something happened that like completely shifted my perspective.   Hunter Thompson (05:33.194) on everything I had learned up until that point. And people don't talk a lot about 2010, but for me, that was the big moment because after all of this research about quote diversification and hey, you got to get Apple and Johnson and Johnson and also some cash and maybe some gold and these types of things out of nowhere, the European debt crisis happened and it created massive challenges with volatility in the US markets.   And all of sudden everyone was focusing on some obscure economic data point, which was the Greece bond yields and the German bond yields. And it was like, Hey man, all this research I had done never suggested that something as ridiculous and obscure. I'm talking to every single person on CNBC was watching the   German bond yields. And the quote at the time was, if it goes above 7%, the S &P 500 is going to dive. And they were correct. And every day it would go above 7%, below 7%, and the S &P would go up and down and five, like over and over again. And I was like, I've got to find a way that a small firm or myself can conduct due diligence on an asset class that is, the performance is directly tied to supply and demand, not the German bond yields.   And so I was actually not really interested in real estate specifically. I just ended up doing a lot of research on everything that was out there and found real estate was extremely predictable in terms of wealth creation and had the opportunity to create some asymmetric returns. So that's what led us to this conversation today.   Yeah, yeah. So I know your story pretty well. So fill the audience in a little bit, but I know that Jeremy Roll, who's been a guest on our show before, is a mentor of yours and one of the first people kind of got you into the space or got you interested in the space. And he's well known for taking a fully passive approach, right? He's one of these guys that's just fully passive. That's kind of his thing. How have you kind of adapted that approach and made it your own?   Hunter Thompson (07:29.038) So yeah, you're right. going back to like 2010, I moved to California, which is one of the most decimated States in the country in terms of the recession, right? And so that's where I started my real estate career. And so I would go into the networking events, sometimes four or five a week. And it was honestly like going to, mean, it was somber to say the least. People had lost their shirts, people that created $10 million of wealth. If they were all invested in California, some of them are wiped out.   And I found that there was a couple of strategies that really struggled and there's a couple of strategies that didn't struggle. And, you know, some people don't talk about this, the default rate for multifamily apartments, 150 units or more like Fannie Fannie financed 1.5 % during 2008.   I mean, it's just, that's the reality of quality assets with a lot of checks. If you got a lot of checks and they keep coming in because rental income is not really volatile, you just didn't have that big of a problem. So I was very sympathetic to finding out how to do this. And the first person that really introduced to me to this was like you said, Jeremy Roll. And the thesis was this.   I'm very, I want to be focused on diversification. I don't want to be hyper allocated to one particular niche, but if you study economics, you know that in order to have a market advantage, you must be focused on doing one thing better than everyone else. But that is not conducive to building a portfolio that is diversified. Like you probably have interviewed a lot of like, let's say self storage.   Operator that's like all in on cell storage and Florida's the market and everybody knows the demographics are super favorable. got their whole $30 million net worth all in the East coast of Florida. And it's insane. All the baby boomers are moving there. It's amazing. And then once a year when it's hurricane season, they can't sleep for months because they got $30 million on the East coast of Florida. And it's like, man, the East coast of Florida is awesome, but maybe I should have a little bit in Georgia. Maybe I should have a little bit in senior living in Wyoming. You know what I mean? So.   Hunter Thompson (09:33.698) That's the only way to accomplish that from my perspective is to have a diversified passive approach. And I do know Jeremy very well, he doesn't just go to Mexico and drink Mai Tais. I mean, he works 50, 60 hours a week trying to allocate his portfolio appropriately. And I do a similar kind of thing with my portfolio and also have an active side of the business as well, which is where I raise capital for other people's deals.   Yeah. That's the beautiful part about passive investing is you can diversify across different asset classes, different geographies with different sponsors, all that sort of thing so that you can diversify within the realm of real estate or business or whatever it might be. Rather than if you are an active sponsor, you're operating those properties. That market advantage is knowing the market, knowing the market being boots on the ground and knowing all those intricacies rather than, but you know, if you're that person, it's very difficult to diversify.   Perhaps you can pass it invest in somebody else's deals. But again, you're, jumping into the passive investing space. Yeah. So you're very well known as, know, a great capital raiser. Do you consider that a passive approach or is that an active approach?   That's exactly right.   Hunter Thompson (10:44.142) Well, it's a hybrid, right? Because what I do is I still find and aggregate active owner operators in their respective niches. It's just that because I have a little bit of expertise in this and a due diligence process and some economies of scale, because we've invested very significantly over the years and because we have hundreds of investors and thousands of people on our list or tens of thousands on our list, we can do the level of due diligence that most passive investors can't.   even if they knew exactly what to do, it's not economically viable. So I'll you an example. There's a lot of passive investors that listen to the show. And I'm sure that if you had the time and infinite resources, you would want to go visit these properties in person on every single deal. Spend probably a hundred hours on due diligence on each deal. know, not only talk to the sponsors themselves, but their CPAs, their contractors, their property managers. You want to review their software. You want to run criminal checks, background checks.   If you had infinite time and resources, you'd probably do all that stuff. But if you do all that and you're investing 50 grand, your return profile is gonna be deteriorated by that due diligence process. And so I feel like there's need in the space for that extra layer of due diligence, but it's not economically viable unless you're pulling capital together, aggregating investors. And so that's why I founded Asim Capital to do that exact thing. We provide that service and...   usually investors aren't really paying anything out of pocket. We get our economics from the sponsor because we can show up with, hey, $5 million in 30 days, $10 million in 60 days, these types of things. And that's a great skill to have in the business of real estate.   Yeah. And you just laid that out perfectly. You know, why some people ask, why don't you just go straight to the operator to invest in rather than someone who might be mainly a capital raiser or an aggregator of capital. And you just laid that out perfectly. It's, you know, that's an extra layer of due diligence, time, effort, money that you as the passive investor don't have to do. And if you do do it, it just stops making sense. I mean, there's only so much you can do. Even if you take something simple.   Seth Bradley (12:51.022) It's certainly not simple, but something like, you know, looking at a sponsor's underwriting model, there are so many things to look into that and you won't be able to pick that apart. I mean, you just won't from the past investors per second. Even if I go grab somebody sponsors, some sponsors underwriting model and look at it, I don't know what equations they've changed. I'm not going to check a thousand different equations. But what we do bring value wise is that we know these sponsors. It's a really small industry when you get to know everyone in it.   And we know their reputations. know how their deals have gone. We know how they treat their past investors. So that's just an extra level of due diligence that the past investors at the retail level might not be able to do. least not.   Exactly right. That's exactly right. And something else, think that I obviously I've mentioned economics a couple of times in the show. Like this is the lens through which I view the space. And if you are an owner operator, you want to kind of play lip service to economics. So the reality is you've got your head down because you can't adjust your business accordingly. Like if you're a retail owner operator and then retail centers get   closed in 2020 and you cannot go to retail. You can't just go, all right, we're doing hotels now. You can't, I mean, you've built up a business around that, but as a passive investor, you can be nimble and aggregate capital and allocate capital based on your view through the lens of economics or otherwise.   Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you're not going to if you're a retail operator, you're not going to say in tanks, you're not going to be like, OK, well, retail sucks now. Don't don't invest with me. Forget about it. Exactly. That's the more else you've got to come up with reasons why to invest in. It might not be the best for those investors.   Hunter Thompson (14:29.516) That's exactly right. That's exactly right.   So a lot of our listeners are attorneys, they're doctors, they're W-2s. Is raising capital something they should be interested in getting into? Should they take that next step?   depends. So, I mean, we do a webinar about raising money. And the first thing we say is like, Hey, look, this is like the third slide in the presentation. And I say like, are you actually ready for this responsibility? If not, should leave now because you know, what we talk about is turning on the faucet, turning on that thing. It's like the X factor of every business. And I don't want you to 10 X. I don't know what I'm doing. You know, so it's, take the responsibility very, very seriously. And,   If you haven't done a deal, for example, you shouldn't raise money for a deal. What you should do is go all in on education. And I know you've done just a tremendous job kind of educating your base, but you can go all in. I'll put this, this is like a really powerful way to put this. So in 2010, when I started going to real estate meetings, everyone was saying like, honor, this is the opportunity of a lifetime. I've been in this business for 30 years and never seen anything like it. This is the back the truck up moment. And I was like,   back what truck up? Like, don't know what I'm doing. Like, I don't know what a cap rate is. You know what I mean? But here's the crazy thing. They were absolutely correct. The market dynamics was so favorable that it was probably more favorable than any time in history, especially when it comes to commercial real estate. But four years later, I had developed more confidence, more knowledge, more network that the deals I solved then were better than the deals I saw in 2010. And that is why this game is amazing.   Hunter Thompson (16:05.794) because if you can expand your network and knowledge and confidence faster than even the most pronounced recovery in the history of real estate. And so all those people that if you ever hear someone saying like, now's the opportunity of a lifetime, go all in, like maybe they're right, but it might not be the right time for you. So just take your time, stay away from people that are pushy. The reason this game works is that it works all the time. So you never miss the opportunity of a lifetime. That's the whole point.   Love it, man. Yeah. So they already have the network, right? If you're an attorney or doctor, you probably know other attorneys and doctors. So at least you have that network established of high net worth individuals that you might be able to aggregate some capital with. But you're right. I mean, the education piece is imperative and everybody goes through that learning curve and it takes some time. And there's a lot of responsibilities to come with raising capital and investing in real estate in general. So you've got to make sure that you get that education piece nailed down.   Totally. Actually, do you mind if I, so like something that's been just like on my mind recently is, and so many past investors need to understand is that there's been a lot of discussion around the yield curve inversion and all of that. Do you mind if I talk about that? I'm sure that the lot of listeners are going to be interested. Okay. So recently, you know, there's been a lot of discussion around economic indicators and recessions and such, and what that may mean for us as investors and   Absolutely, let's jump into it.   Hunter Thompson (17:30.328) Part of this is because of the inverted yield curve. And I'll break what that down means just really quickly. So typically speaking, bond yields slope up into the right. If you think of the X axis as time and the Y axis as the yield, you would think that the yields would slope up into the right because the longer the time, the more time risk you're incurring, the higher the return you would want on your bond. So that's typical.   But every now and then there's this economic phenomenon that takes place where short-term bonds can produce higher yields than long-term bonds because people are concerned about short-term risk. And so bonds, the long-term bonds, people flood into the long-term bonds, which reduces the yields and also increase the yields of the short-term bonds. And so this unique phenomenon takes place. And historically speaking, this has been a very good predictor of recessions, typically 18 to 22 months after the inversion.   of the two year and the 10 year bonds. Does that make sense before I go forward? Yeah. Okay. So I think that this is a good indicator of recessions, generally speaking, but I am very bullish about the current environment and I can give you some data as to why, but most importantly, 2008 is a really significant aberration. Recessions do not typically trigger   significant pullbacks in real estate. mean, a 10 % pullback in real estate, especially commercial real estate or multifamily apartments in particular, that is pretty a historic. mean, it takes, you got to look back decades to find these types of examples. And I just want investors to understand that. But we saw something in 2008 that this was confirmed in 2020. That is just a holy crap type of moment, even in the face of that potentially challenging information.   which is in 2008, for the first time to this scale, the federal government, know, printed trillions of dollars. And this was basically the Pandora's box, which was open in terms of quantitative easing. And I believe it set the precedent that anytime something catastrophic or borderline catastrophic or could be catastrophic, could happen, they're gonna smash that button. And I've been talking about this for a decade and then 2020 happens.   Hunter Thompson (19:51.252) And boy, were we right. And they smashed the trillion dollar button harder than they've ever smashed it before. The United States government printed about a $6 trillion. Federal governments all around the world, the central banks printed another $4 trillion. So there's 10 trillion extra dollars in the system slushing around the financial sector searching for yield. And I believe   that what's going to happen is that yield, that search is gonna go into the bond markets first, because it's the only place you can place trillions of dollars quickly. And then it's gonna work its way to United States real estate, which I think still is the most favorable risk adjusted investment in the world. And I'm not the only one that thinks that. So imagine this trillion dollar tsunami set to crash on a very limited amount of supply in the United States.   in the wake of enduring an affordable housing crisis in an environment where every bond in the industrialized world is negative, the United States positive interest rates and positive cap rates are here to provide that yield. And this is a crazy, crazy moment. I want to talk about interest rates in a second, but like that tsunami, that visualization of that tsunami, I think is creating a situation where it's like, are you going to surf that tsunami?   Or are you going to sit back and watch that crash and watch equity prices rise without participating?   Yeah. Yeah. So how did the other things kind of layer onto that? I mean, we're not just hearing about the, you know, the inverted yield curve, but also, you know, the interest rates that the feds are hiking up and inflation is through the roof that everybody's feeling the effects of that. I mean, how do all these different factors, you know, what are they resulting? What is the result or, know, what is your prediction of the results?   Hunter Thompson (21:39.278) So first of all, I'm glad you asked this because I'm working on a summit right now where we're having 22 experts in different niches talk about their perspective on this exact topic. And so I'm in the middle of these sessions and like they have been crazy. So if you want to get access to that, it's a free summit, by the way, you can go to 100ktoinvest.com and it's for people that have a hundred thousand dollars to invest. you you want to look at different niches through this economic lens. So someone I just interviewed on my show, Dr. Peter Lindemann talks about this and   very well-known economist. Basically these rising interest rates, dude, this is serious. I mean, this is not some like economic indicator. This is actually happening right now. I know a $40 million deal that just got blown up because the bank basically underwriting changes if the interest rate increases by a hundred basis points, that's significant. But we got to put this in context. So when interest rates rise,   typically it's because of concerns around inflation. And that's the case for now as well. And inflation is typically thought of, or I think I should say, real estate is typically thought of as a hedge against inflation. I mean, you've probably said that a million times, I have too, but I think out of this conversation, you maybe will both start phrasing it slightly differently. It is true that it is a hedge against inflation, but I think that doesn't even come close to stating.   how favorable inflation is for real estate owners. Because when we think about real estate being a hedge against inflation, I think it's like this. We think about the equity prices, the prices of real estate rise proportionally as inflation takes place with is true. But there's something else that's taking place, which is there's a distinction between equity prices and consumer prices. So when consumer prices rise, you have inflation working its way through the monetary system and the consumers feel it.   from top to bottom, right? But in real estate, we trade the assets on a multiple of net income. So I know you bought some multifamily apartments. have I. Most deals look something like this. We're buying from an owner that doesn't know what they're doing for some degree or another. We're going to buy the property, raise rents, cut expenses. We'll probably raise rents by 15 % year one, maybe 8 % year two. And then from that year going forward, we're probably going to track along with inflation. Does that make sense?   Hunter Thompson (24:02.572) Yeah. If you're being conservative. Yeah. So I would expect rents after the business plan is implemented to simply track along with inflation to be conservative. And then expenses will also track along with inflation. Now, most people, when they hear that, they think, it's a wash. You know, the top line is increasing by 5%. The expenses are increasing by 5 % and no one's really going to benefit. But that would only be the case if it was a one-to-one ratio of gross to expenses.   Absolutely.   Hunter Thompson (24:31.98) or net to expenses and it's not. Like most of the assets you and I look at, we're talking about 45 % operating expense ratio and self storage, for example, you can see 35 or even 30 % operating expense ratio. So it's disproportionately impacting the top line compared to the bottom line, because the bottom, the expenses are so much smaller. So the net is actually increasing significantly every year you have five, six, seven, eight,   percent inflation. And I'm sure you've seen a lot of people that say it's really 15. That's even better for owners because the net isn't going to increase, increase and increase. There's one other piece of this inflation discussion that I want to talk about, but it's a little bit confusing. Are you, did I explain that in a way that's clear?   No, that was perfect. Very clear. Complicated subject, very clear.   Okay, good. So it's not just a hedge, right? The hedge is like, sure, the asset values excluding this discussion around NOI. That's the first part. The second part is the NOI situation is very favorable for investors. The third piece though is like this almost no one's talking about this. And I think it's probably the most powerful and conceptually it is the most powerful, which is if I go to buy a $15 million piece of property, I put $5 million down.   I borrowed $10 million. The bank is now on the losing end of basically compounding interest because of inflation. If I borrow $10 million in today's purchase power, by 10 years, if inflation continues at 8 % per year, by 10 years, the purchase power of that $10 million has been cut in half by inflation, meaning the purchase power of the dollars, I will pay them in 10 years,   Hunter Thompson (26:18.104) Half is valuable to me. And it's the same dollar amount that I ended up paying them, but the purchase power has now been cut in half. So what this means is that while there is so much chatter about interest rates rising, the reality is they're net negative in real terms. The bank is paying you to borrow their money, to buy an asset, which value will increase and also in a while will increase and also likely the multiple on which that in a while is.   rated will increase. This is why this is a back the truck moment for these real estate owners. And, you know, that's what we're doing right now. Yeah.   So based on that, do you think when you're looking at different asset classes, the more disproportionate the income is to the expenses, maybe the more favorable that investment looks like nowadays?   Really good question. Um, I do think there's some merit to that, but I gotta say a caveat. So we have some self store, excuse me, some, assisted living properties and those actually are like 70 % operating at expense ratios. So you can hear this and say, Oh, those maybe we're going to get hammered. Senior living is dealing with some challenges because of COVID, but the top line is not increasing at inflation. The top line is increasing at like 10, 15 % nationally. So.   I don't know exactly what's going on, but there's obviously there's more to this conversation than just the inflation discussion, but it isn't the case that we're losing money because of this. It's a challenge because of like move in certain States are still locked down. There's challenges, all that whole thing, but the demographics and everything I think make up for that. But to your point, I think your argument can be made all things being equal. Meaning I think that let's say class A apartments start to make a lot of sense. Self storage start to make a lot of sense.   Hunter Thompson (28:07.234) You can make the argument that new development could even make sense. So that's not something I do and have ever done, but you can start to make that argument for sure.   Yeah. So maybe give us a preview. I don't want to give away the whole thing. I know you've got the a hundred K to invest summit coming up, but what are some of those investments that start making sense in this environment? We've kind of touched on it a little bit, but maybe make it a little bit more clear.   my gosh. I'm so okay. So I'm such a nerd. So I'm like literally nerding out, but let me give you a couple of examples. So we have like a big broad view of things that we're going to talk about because there's a lot of things that I invest in. There's a lot of things that I don't invest in, but generally speaking, when it comes to wealth creation, the summit's broken down into three days, protect, grow and multiply. And like in that order. So protect is like downside protection, focused real estate, know, stabilize multifamily apartments.   sell storage assets, things like that. Then in grow, we're gonna talk about, know, development, maybe something with like real estate and blockchain, you know, the tokenization of real estate, for example. Then in multiply, we're gonna talk about Bitcoin mining. We're gonna talk about Dow funds. We're gonna talk about buying existing businesses. One of our clients owns the company acquisitions.com. And he's gonna come and talk about like buying businesses that are cash flowing. I try to put them on the spot and be like, what sector is your favorite sector right now? He's like,   He's like French Canadian. He's like, I don't really care about the sector. He's like my friend that just bought the company is a billionaire. did yogurt. So I don't want to say that yogurt is the best sector. He's like, he's going big on yogurt, dude. so anyway, it's going to be a cool summit.   Seth Bradley (29:43.284) That's awesome. Yeah. It sounds like it's going to be like really diverse, right? It's not just, okay, a multifamily summit. You're kind of going to give this broad swath of lots of different ways to invest in different risk profiles as well.   Totally. That's what's cool. Okay. So this is what you and I like kind of have in common. Like we can actually be open and honest about our views because of the position that we play. And this is why I don't think I've ever seen a summit quite like it because it wouldn't be good for business if all you did was multifamily and you go, Hey, go invest in Bitcoin mining. So, but you know, we're just trying to do the right thing for the past investors. Like I said, hundred K to invest.com.   Yeah. I love the concept, man. Cause a lot of people are thinking that they're like, okay, well I've got, I've got a hundred K to invest. Like what is the best place to put it? And especially with all these different crazy factors that are going right now, going on right now, that's, that's awesome. Very timely. All right, man. Before we jump into the freedom for let's jump on to one last golden nugget for our listeners. got one.   Yeah. Just go spitball. Cause I have got a bajillion. Okay. didn't know you did the freedom for that. So crazy. do a freedom Friday thing. We're on the same page in so many ways, dude. That's awesome. So, here's a golden nugget for sure. you know, speed beats pretty much everything. So what this means is that, the difference between like college sports and professional sports, basically that everyone's faster. In fact, you can be smaller, but if you're way faster, you can still move up through the ranks from high school to college to professional.   Spitball man.   Hunter Thompson (31:08.832) And the same is true of business. Now, some people might hear that and go, like you're rushing through due diligence. No, it means rush to conduct due diligence, rush to start. But it doesn't mean go quickly and rush through it and do it sloppily. It means get to it. And one of the best ways that I've found to get to it is to find mentors, is to find guides and not try to figure it out on your own. know, of cool things that I've done, you mentioned some.   cool things I've done in this industry. It's awesome, but dude, I didn't make any of this stuff up. That's not my lane. I want to find someone that has done exactly what I want to do. And I want to model it as closely as possible. And by the way, when you do this, you'll find a place where you feel like your gut wants to go right. And they went left. And sometimes you can feel like, okay, now I got to go on my own. I'll you a perfect example. You mentioned Jeremy Rohl. He's a passive investor, right? And there was a moment where I was thinking my skills are not   completely used. Like I've got this excitement about like building websites and marketing and email content, which Jeremy doesn't do, you know? And I'm like, I need to find someone that's done that. I looked left, found someone that went that direction and then model, model, model, model. And I'm sure there's going to be a moment where I have to do the same thing and model, model, model. So I'm never going like, Hmm, how can I use my raw intelligence to figure this out? By the way, if I had done that, you know, I still would have been like struggling to get C's in college. You know what I mean? So like it's all because of just finding good mentors.   Yeah, absolutely. It's a way to accelerate your growth. A lot of people, they'll look and say, look, I don't want to buy this course or this mentor or this coach because it's expensive and it might be expensive, but think about like what people pay for their undergraduate degree or their law degree. I mean, it's ridiculous. And it's a fraction of that.   That's exactly right. probably shouldn't made a joke about making season college, given your audience, but, you know, here's what I can say about your audience in particular. Everybody kind of values things differently. And it's like your audience has a high demand for time. Cause it's what they lack. When I started my career, I had all the time in the world. Nobody cared about anything. I couldn't get my calendar to get filled up, but all of sudden after years of working the skills that I have developed now, the sense is very difficult for me to get 15 minutes.   Hunter Thompson (33:24.342) So when I think about how can I expedite whatever this is, my need for money is low. My need for time is high. So it's like, if I can pay to expedite whatever it is, trust me, you tell me it's $5,000 to get 30, okay, done. I'll get the result in 30 minutes. Boom, here's the five grand. so, but that's a balance, right? So there's a lot of people listening to this right now that are kind of going down this path and perhaps they have a lot of time. So then what the opportunity is, is that's your leverage point.   Find someone that has a high demand for time, low demand for money, and you can exchange.   Yeah, definitely. Most of our listeners definitely don't have time. mean, I'll be like, Hey, make sure you get a workout in or meditate in the morning. Like I don't have 15 minutes. don't have an hour. Billing, Billing 3000 hours a year. It's ridiculous, man. I've been in that world and it's, it's tough to carve out some time. So that's why I passed investing is really the way to go. mean, I did the fix and flips and, and did all that kind of stuff to start out with. And it's just, it's not a good business model for.   So tough.   Seth Bradley (34:23.15) You know, an attorney at a big law firm or a doctor that's running their own practice. It's just really difficult to balance those things. All right, man, let's jump into the freedom for let's go.   Totally.   Hunter Thompson (34:33.454) It's time for the Freedom Form.   What's the best thing you do to keep your mind and body healthy?   you already know. you know, I'm constantly working on, like kind of like athletic inspired things. have a gym. It's probably the most baller thing ever. I'm not like the typical flashy person, but I do have a home gym is pretty dope. and so right now when I'm working on is a 1,000 pound total for the three powerlifting lifts, the squat bench and deadlift. I'm not there yet, but I'll check in maybe in three months and I'll probably be there.   Woo, sounds good, man. With all your success, what is one limiting belief that you've crushed along the way and how did you get past it?   dude. Okay, I'm not gonna do like a 30 minute thing on this one, but you know, I think a lot of people...   Hunter Thompson (35:21.432) get the impression that the higher you go up in the success ladder, the more it's about tactics and strategies and nothing can be further from the truth.   Hunter Thompson (35:35.326) I've paid $50,000 to be in a room with some very successful people. And the reason that room is so exciting is because you start to realize that there is no ceiling. It's a mental thing. It is not the tactics and the strategies that I wanted to learn. I wanted to know what they move like, how they think. And that's a lot of money to pay. But the higher you go up in that ladder,   The smaller, the little tweaks, the, that realization that, I should do that. I can do that. That stuff. It's crazy. Right. Because when you start, you're like, there's a certain point, like at different layers, again, there's a certain point where you go, I'm sick of hearing about this mindset stuff. get it. I just want results. But then you realize later, that's all that's holding me back. So like, that's my thought.   Yeah, it's a lot of money, but at the same time, that's something that sticks with you forever. Once you get over that, not that mindset hurdle, it's with you forever. What's one actual step our listeners can do right now to start creating more freedom.   Totally.   Hunter Thompson (36:40.28) So funny that you have these dude, this is so cool. I've like, respect this so much, cause it's what it's all about. One strategy they can implement. I would say leveraging technology to save time. First eliminating a lot of tasks that you don't need to be doing, but leveraging technology as opposed to people, especially you. And then as you first eliminate, then automate and then delegate. So.   Everyone on here, and this is going to hurt a lot of people, but every single person listening to this right now should have a VA or an assistant of some kind. Like if you're making six figures, it's absolutely inexcusable to not have someone doing some of the tasks that you shouldn't be doing. If you Google the term unique ability by strategic coach and Dan Sullivan, it'll give you some insight in terms of my views on a lot of that stuff.   Perfect. Yeah. Sometimes it's hard to let go, but you got to do it. That's right. Last but not least, how has passive income made your life better?   dude, that pro come on. mean that these are great questions. Okay. I mean it is my whole life. It has made my whole life, but just real quick, a story about this. So a lot of people listening to this show, when you get started in this path, the main goal is to have your passive income exceed your expenses. And that's was my goal when I got into this business as well, until I was at a conference and someone at the back of the stage, back of the room said that they had a cool announcement.   because they had accomplished their number one financial role. And they come up there and of course I assume he's going to say that. And he goes, so I achieved my number one financial goal was that my passive income is now 10 times my expenses. I was like, what? Like mind blown situation. Like I didn't even know that was possible. I didn't know that's legal. Like, what are you talking about? I never heard anyone say a multiple of that. Like, you know, he's probably.   Hunter Thompson (38:27.402) Super frugal guy, by the way, $10,000 a month in expenses, $100,000 a month in passive income tax deferred dude. So that's possible in this game. you keep going.   Love it, man. All right, Hunter, this has been awesome, man. We're going to find out more about you.   Yeah. One thing, 100k to invest.com. That's it. You guys are awesome. Thanks.   That's it. Go check it out. Thanks again, Hunter. Hunter Thompson, ladies and gentlemen, you can see why I like him so much because well, there's a lot of the same ideas that I have. have the same political views. We have a lot in common and well, he's just a lot like me and who doesn't like someone that's like them, right? So anyways, major key, they say the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago and the second best time is now and   The same thing goes for investing. There's no better time for you to take action than right now. There are always opportunities in every part of the cycle. You just have to get educated and make the right moves. All right. If you're ready for a change and ready to take action, partner with us on our next passive real estate deal, which is live right now. Go to passiveincomeattorney.com and join our Esquire passive investor club. All right, kiddos, enjoy the journey.   Hunter Thompson (39:43.544) Thank you for listening to the Passive Income Attorney Podcast with Seth Bradley. Do you want more ideas on how to generate multiple streams of passive income? Then jump over to passiveincomeattorney.com for show notes and resources. Then apply for the private Facebook community by searching for the Passive Income Attorney on Facebook. 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