Podcasts about subordinationism

This episode is different from our other heresy episodes, mainly because this one serves more as an intro into our next sub-series of heresies that deals with Jesus' humanity/divinity. Since it's an intro, it's a little more surface level because it isn't just one heresy, it's a blanket term that deals with multiple heresies. So it's important to listen to this one! That way the next few episodes will make more sense.So what is "subordinationism"? Have a listen! We're glad you're here, let's get into it :)

In this episode, hosts Oren Martin and Caitlin Van Wagoner are joined by guest John Elmore to discuss who Jesus is, what He's done, and how we should respond to Him. Part I: 00:28-00:38Why is Jesus Christ a loaded term? Part II: 00:38-03:20Who is God the Son? Incarnation Creed of Chalcedon  Scripture Mentioned: John 1:14, John 1:1 Part III: 03:20-05:49Where did God the Son come from?Scripture Mentioned: John 3:16, Exodus 15 Part IV: 05:49-16:03What happened at the Incarnation? Gregory of Nazianus Creed of Chalcedon Hypostatic Union  Scripture Mentioned: John 3:16, John 1:29, Revelation 5, Hebrews 10, John 1, Colossians 1, Revelation 1 Part V: 16:03-22:50What are some common questions and misconceptions about Christ? Is Jesus subordinate to God the Father? Is Jesus a mixture of God and man? Is Jesus God morphing into man? Subordinationism, Arianism, Modalism C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity  Part VI: 22:50-27:37What is the work of Christ? Intercession Scripture Mentioned: Colossians 1, Hebrews 7, Matthew 6, Romans 8, Titus 2:13, Galatians 2:20 Part VII: 27:27-28:58How should we respond to Christ?AW Tozer, Pursuit of God Scripture Mentioned: Galatians 2:20 Part VIII: 28:58-32:02The questions no one is willing to ask. Scripture Mentioned: Matthew 28

This is part 7 of the Early Church History class. Philo of Alexandria was the most well-known representative of Hellenistic Judaism in the first century. His many books combine Platonism with scripture via allegory--a daring project that had a massive influence on Christian thinkers. Clement of Alexandria followed in Philo's footsteps a century later, doing for the Christian scriptures what Philo had done for the Jewish bible. In addition to covering these two we'll take a couple of detours to learn about the city of Alexandria as well as a few of Plato's important ideas. Although overlooked today in most discussions of the history of Christology, Philo and Clement lay the foundations upon which Origen, the Cappodocians, and Augustine would build generations later. Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijYP1cGJlI&list=PLN9jFDsS3QV2lk3B0I7Pa77hfwKJm1SRI&index=7 —— Links —— More Restitutio resources on Christian history More classes here Support Restitutio by donating here Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow Sean Finnegan on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan?  Read his bio here —— Notes —— Alexandria (founded 331BC) named after Alexander the Great capital of Egypt for a millennium (until the Muslims came in 641) still the largest city on the Mediterranean had the Pharos light house (one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world) had a massive world-famous library port city providing grain to Rome center of philosophical learning diverse and populous metropolis Philo of Alexandria (20 BC – AD 50) Jewish Platonist philosopher heavily influenced by Plato The true realm is the upper, spiritual, invisible world. (Allegory of the Cave) A craftsman created our world based on the pattern of the eternal realm. (Timaeus) Our souls are immortal and will escape our bodies at death, enabling us to perceive the eternal, unchanging realm. (Phaedo) applied allegorical interpretation method to the Old Testament (LXX) Logos God's organ to create and govern universe second place next to God God is the Father and wisdom [Sophia] is the mother of the Word [Logos] Clement of Alexandria (AD 150 – 215) grew up non-Christians traditional religion mystery religion schools of philosophy found Pantaenus to teach him books Protrepticus (Exhortation to Greeks) c. 195 Paedagogus (Tutor or Educator) c. 198 Stromata (Miscellanies) c. 203 Who Is the Rich Man Who Will Be Saved? beliefs heavily influenced by Plato and Philo Ideal Christian is “the gnostic”; try to “out gnostic” the Gnostics and take the label back. concerned about the whole Christian life, not just beliefs seeking pleasure is sin Wine is ok in strict moderation. Laughter should be controlled. esotericism (especially in the Stromata) Christology God is the unknowable, supreme, unbegotten one. The Son “is nearest to him who is alone the Almighty One”. The Logos is chief among God's saints who, like us, worships God. “Thus the idea of the Logos is the centre of Clement's theological system and of all his religious thinking. However, the supreme idea in Christian thought is not the idea of the Logos but the idea of God.”[1] legacy set the precedent for combining Platonism with the Bible through the use of allegory, a strategy that came to dominate for centuries became the teacher of Origen who, as we'll see in our next session, was the most influential Christian theologian of the third century was regarded as a saint by Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches, but then they changed their minds Review Alexandria, Egypt was a major metropolis from which not only grain but philosophical ideas spread to the Mediterranean world. Philo was a first-century Jew who applied Middle Platonism to the Old Testament via allegory. Influenced by Plato's Timaeus, Philo used the concept of Logos to separate the high God from creation. For Philo the Logos was God's organ to create and govern the world. Clement of Alexandria drew upon Philo's work and applied it to the New Testament. Clement wanted Christians to live in a proper and moderate manner. In an effort to show the supremacy of Christianity, Clement attempted to out-gnostic the Gnostics, labelling the enlightened Christian "the gnostic.“ For Clement, the Logos is subordinate to the Father, who alone is the true God. He might have believed that the Logos existed eternally as God's high priest. [1] Johannes Quasten, Patrology, vol 2 (Notre Dame, IN: Christian Classics, Ave Maria Press, 1983), 23.

Andrew, Dr. Dalcour and I will be discussing oneness theology proper and theological implications of this doctrine as a whole. Get your Bible's ready because we are diving into the Scriptures to exegete passages oneness theologians use to support their claims as well as think through the logical and systematic outworking of oneness doctrine! We will also be looking back in time in Church history to see the origins of where this theology stems from as well as taking YOUR QUESTIONS about oneness theology in general! So join Andrew, Dr. Dalcour and me as we dive into this movement to see what exactly "Oneness" or "Jesus Only" theology has to bring to the table! This is part 1 of a 2 part episode so make sure to check out part 2 over at completesinners.com!!! Find more Dr. Edward Dalcour & get his book here: https://christiandefense.org/ Find more Andrew Elliott on TikTok here: @andrewdoesapologetics

Andrew, Dr. Dalcour and I will be discussing oneness theology proper and theological implications of this doctrine as a whole. Get your Bible's ready because we are diving into the Scriptures to exegete passages oneness theologians use to support their claims as well as think through the logical and systematic outworking of oneness doctrine! We will also be looking back in time in Church history to see the origins of where this theology stems from as well as taking YOUR QUESTIONS about oneness theology in general! So join Andrew, Dr. Dalcour and me as we dive into this movement to see what exactly "Oneness" or "Jesus Only" theology has to bring to the table! This is part 2 of this episode so make sure to check out part 1 first over at completesinners.com!!! Find more Dr. Edward Dalcour & get his book here: https://christiandefense.org/ Find more Andrew Elliott on TikTok here: @andrewdoesapologetics

The bible routinely recognizes the subordination of the Son to his Father. Throughout his ministry on earth, Jesus repeatedly and unapologetically taught, “The Father is greater than I” (John 14.28). Further, after his exaltation, Jesus remains dependent on the Father as his superior (1 Cor 11.3). Then, even once the age to come arrives, the Read more about 416 One God 6: Jesus, God’s Subordinate Son[…]

Church history records many attempts to explain the Trinity by qualifying-diluting Christ's deity. It led to Subordinationism = the idea that Christ's deity is less than the Father's deity. “Unqualified Deity” affirms the opposite against such Subordinationism. Confessing the Faith is a theological and devotional walk through the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith with host Sam Waldron, Pastor of Grace Reformed Baptist Church in Owensboro, KY and President of Covenant Baptist Theological Seminary. Covenant Baptist Theological Seminary is a Confessional Reformed Baptist Seminary Providing affordable online theological education to help the Church in its calling to train faithful men. To learn more about CBTS, visit https://CBTSeminary.org. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/cbtseminary/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/cbtseminary/support

Did the Trinity doctrine develop over time? Discussing a short video that reveals a long story—one that many have never heard. OPENING REMARKS Chalcedonean-like negatives, creedal credibility, and a suggestion for rapidly catching-up on who we are (episodes 1-4). CLOSING REMARKS Blunder 1 of 3 (audio version), Letters from PJ and Dan, introducing the effort to make the UCA directory more reliable, and a 30 second UCA podcast promo. RESOURCES Unitarian Christian Alliance YouTube Channel YouTube: Doctrine of Christ Part 1: The Incarnation - William Lane Craig, (51 episode series.) Theological Conference, Restoration Fellowship The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God: The Arian Controversy - R.P.C. Hanson The God of Jesus in Light of Christian Dogma - Kegan Chandler SCRIPTURES Philippians 2:6 - Being in the form of God Colossians 1:19 - Being indwelt with the fullness of God Revelation 3:12 - God has a "my God"?  FEEDBACK Thoughts are better when transformed into pressure waves. Say your first name and your state or country. "Hey, it's Patrick from Ireland. Did you mention modalism?" Email podcast@unitarianchristianalliance.org Click here to RECORD A MESSAGE Or call: 615-581-1158 LISTENING TIPS Pauses are hand crafted for maximal comprehension and impact. If your podcast app lets you remove silences, please don't. You will likely enjoy this better with the silences left in. FOLLOW THE PODCAST The UCA Podcast email list! Large and enjoyable episode art, plus additional thoughts from the host. Also, notifications when there are delays. Instagram UCA.podcast - Just view it. Twitter @UCApodcast - Episode announcements (and delay notices) Podcast Webpage: https://podcast.unitarianchristianalliance.org

Episode: While there is nothing new drama over the Trinity, there has been quite the kerfuffle in evangelical circles about the subordination of the Son in recent years. In this […] The post Mike Bird & Scott Harrower – Trinity Without Hierarchy first appeared on OnScript.

Episode: While there is nothing new drama over the Trinity, there has been quite the kerfuffle in evangelical circles about the subordination of the Son in recent years. In this […] The post Mike Bird & Scott Harrower – Trinity Without Hierarchy first appeared on OnScript.

We are continuing a series of episodes comparing Jesus to superheroes. This series will tackle wrong ideas about Jesus from church history in chronological order. A superhero will represent each of these ideas. Is Jesus Like Thor? We answer this question by answering the following: Who is Thor? What are things that Jesus and Thor seem to have in common? What does it mean for Jesus to be the "Son of God"? What is Arianism and Subordinationism? This episode is part 1 of answering this question because there is a lot of history to cover. This episode discusses the following: The major Christian persecutions from the first through the fourth centuries The rise of Constantine as emperor of the whole Roman empire Constantine's victory over Maxentius at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge The conflict between team Alexander and team Arius over Christology in Alexandria, Egypt Arius' teachings in his poem Thalia. Constantine's letter to Alexander and Arius to stop arguing The start of the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. Scriptures Referenced: John 16:2 John 3:16 1 Corinthians 13:8,13 Matthew 11:27 John 6:46 John 10:15 John 14:9 Hebrews 1:3 Sources Cited: Scott Smith, "https://www.thescottsmithblog.com/2017/11/is-thor-myth-based-on-jesus.html (Is the Thor Myth Based on Jesus?)" Wisconsin Lutheran College, "https://www.fourthcentury.com/arius-thalia-intro/ (Arius - Thalia)," "Fourth Century Christianity." Ibid., "https://www.fourthcentury.com/urkunde-17/ (Documents of the Early Arian Controversy – Emperor Constantine to Alexander of Alexandria and Arius)," "Fourth Century Christianity." ***** Like what you hear? https://www.truthspresso.com/donate (Donate) to Truthspresso and give a shot of support! *****

This week we couldn't think up much small talk, wrapped up our conversation on Subordinationism, came to a working definition of heresy, and attempted to lighten things up a bit by talking about crappy movies and a TV show. Recommendations Doctrine & Devotion http://www.doctrineanddevotion.com/ The Disaster Artist http://thedisasterartistbook.com/ Also, we definitely do not recommend searching for "Sneaky blue genie" on Youtube and watching the first thing that comes up.

Do you know what the Trinity is?  Could you explain it to someone else or is it just a confusing collection of impenetrable statements hidden under a cloud of fog?  In his recent book, Professor Dale Tuggy seeks to clarify everyone’s perceptions of the various Trinity theories so that we can have productive conversation on Read more about Interview 24: What Is the Trinity with Dale Tuggy[…]

Many people don’t describe themselves as Christians, but they say that they believe in God. We ask a fair question, what kind of God do you believe in, can you describe this God to me. And most of the time you’ll get an answer along the lines of, well I believe in a spirit, a force, an influence in the universe that manifests itself in human beings and their religious aspirations. Well these people are wittingly or knowingly believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit that we’ll talk about today. But they don’t believe in the Father and the Son. But this wouldn’t be the first error about God or the Trinity or the Holy Spirit, we’ve talked about these in the past, we’ve talked about Tritheism which says that the Holy Spirit is just one of three different god’s each operating in their own sphere of influence. We’ve heard about Subordinationism and Aryanism where the Holy Spirit and indeed the Son are inferior to God the Father subordinated to Him. We’ve heard about Modalism which states that the Holy Spirit is just one of the ways which God manifested Himself throughout history. In the Old Testament times, they say He manifested Himself as God the father, in the New Testament times they say He manifested Himself as the Son and after Christ descended into Heaven, He manifested Himself as the Holy Spirit. Wrong, wrong, three times wrong… For Fr. Nicholas’ complete homily please listen to the Audio.

In this interview with philosopher Dr. Dale Tuggy, I ask him questions about his personal spiritual journey.  Dr. Tuggy is an analytic philosopher who works on world religions and the doctrine of the Trinity.  He’s a tenured professor of philosophy at the State University of New York at Fredonia.  Furthermore, he runs a popular website Read more about Interview 6: Dale Tuggy’s Journey[…]

In this second of a two-part episode, the cast discusses Arius and subordinationism. Was the Son of God created by God the Father in eternity past? Listen in to find out.

In this first of a two-part episode, the cast discusses Arius and subordinationism. Was the Son of God created by God the Father in eternity past? Listen in to find out.

Consider what Paul states in Ephesians 4:1-6. The language of Modalism and Subordinationism seems to be found in Irenaeus but it is not his theology. He places Father, Son, and Spirit in an ascending order in regard to their work, but not in a categorical distinction between them. Consider God and creation – why are we here? Was it a cosmic mistake or has God designed the world? Irenaeus likens God as a builder or architect. If God is just the architect, where did the matter come from? Irenaeus speaks of God as sovereign King so He can produce out of His Word and power. God creates through His own will. Contrast Irenaeus’ view of God’s omnipotence with that of the heretical opinions. For the heretics, creation is bad so the creator must be bad; creation is imperfect so God must be imperfect. God has a plan for us and for creation. Irenaeus states in Against Heresies (5.32.1) “Inasmuch, therefore, as the opinions of certain [orthodox persons] are derived from heretical discourses, they are both ignorant of God's dispensations, and of the mystery of the resurrection of the just, and of the [earthly] kingdom which is the commencement of incorruption, by means of which kingdom those who shall be worthy are accustomed gradually to partake of the divine nature (capere Deum ); and it is necessary to tell them respecting those things, that it behooves the righteous first to receive the promise of the inheritance which God promised to the fathers, and to reign in it, when they rise again to behold God in this creation which is renovated, and that the judgment should take place afterwards.”

Continue to explore Irenaeus’ vision of the Godhead. The Logos Himself is also God. Jesus is the visible touchable God. In John 14:9 we read, “Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?” We read in John 12:45, “And whoever sees me sees him who sent me.” John 8:19 states, “They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.” There are three persons to the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Theophilus of Antioch (died c. 183) was the first to use the term trias (Τριάς). Consider the economic theology of the Trinity. Irenaeus was far more concerned with how the persons of the Godhead relate to us rather than to one another. Prior to Nicaea there were two major ways of thinking about the Trinity. One was Modalism, or Monarchianism which held that God is one person and can take on different forms or modes when need be. The second was Subordinationism that emphasized the “threeness” of God. Both wanted to maintain monotheism. Denis Minns states, “Irenaeus believed that when human beings cast eyes on Jesus they cast eyes on the one and only God.” Who is Jesus, and why does it matter? Michael Slusser tells us in his essay found in Irenaeus: Life, Scripture, and Legacy, “The Heart of Irenaeus’ Theology” that his point is that love is a central feature in what makes God, God. He states, “All the rest of Irenaeus' wonderful theology, whether he came up with it himself, learned it from Justin, or came by it some other way, makes its full sense only in terms of this overarching vision. Knowledge of the creator God is possible to ordinary creatures, not because the creator is a puny, less than spiritual being, but because the immeasurably great creator God loves everything in creation and therefore gives that knowledge even to us human beings through the Word made flesh and the Spirit of wisdom, according to the measure of the divine love.”