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This episode Steve, Kevin & Andrew service our Bronze-Age Binge, Super-Villian Classics, & Kang-Fu segments with one classic story arc, the Celestial Madonna Saga from Avengers #128-135 & Giant-Size Avengers #2-4! Lots of Marvel Lore in this tale, don't go for second best! #MN415

This episode Steve, Kevin & Andrew service our Bronze-Age Binge, Super-Villian Classics, & Kang-Fu segments with one classic story arc, the Celestial Madonna Saga from Avengers #128-135 & Giant-Size Avengers #2-4! Lots of Marvel Lore i...

This episode Steve, Kevin & Andrew service our Bronze-Age Binge, Super-Villian Classics, & Kang-Fu segments with one classic story arc, the Celestial Madonna Saga from Avengers #128-135 & Giant-Size Avengers #2-4! Lots of Marvel Lore i...

Noch nie in der Geschichte von 3 Jahren NIX KONKRETES waren wir uns so sicher, dass die ein oder andere Theorie genau so im kommenden Film passieren wird, also falls ihr eventuellen Spoilern entgehen wollt hört euch die Folge an nachdem ihr den Film gesehen habt!Unsere geliebten Guardians beenden ihre eigene Filmtrilogie wie sie begonnen hat, mit dem neuen Chef des DCUs und Regisseur James Gunn. Nachdem wir mit „I Am Groot“ und dem „Holiday Special“ ganz unbeschwerte Szenen bewundern durften wird es im letzten Teil der Trilogie ernst. Werden wir die Guardians Of The Galaxy das allerletzte Mal in dieser Besetzung sehen? Wird jemand unserer Lieblinge das Zeitliche segnen oder schlimmeres? Wer ist der Hauptantagonist: Adam oder Herbert?Wir haben die Antworten, oder?

Please enjoy this recut of our Kang episode where the segments flow in the standard order, for those people who were confused by/didn't care for the experimental nature of the original release :) Just before Quantumania releases, we travel through time with KANG THE CONQUEROR! This temporally unstable episode is our most ambitious yet - don't miss it!   Intro Ant-Man & the Wasp: Quantumania coming out Feb. 17 - Anthony & Doc will do a review mini-episode after the film drops Background Kang the Conqueror, Nathaniel Richards, created by Stan Lee & Jack Kirby Due to Kang's time-traveling abilities, his backstory, and even creation, are difficult to pin down Rama-Tut - first appeared in Fantastic Four #19 (Oct. 1963) - a time-traveling criminal from the year 3000 who went back to ancient Egypt  In Sept. 1964, in Avengers #8, Rama-Tut reveals he traveled to the year 4000 and is called Kang the Conqueror Two months later (Nov. 1964), Immortus debuts in Avengers #10, and was later retroactively revealed as another variant of Kang Another variant appears a few years later - the Scarlet Centurion (Avengers Annual #2 - Sept. 1968) A heroic version was introduced in Young Avengers #1 (Feb. 2005) - Iron Lad Later revealed that Kang is actually Nathaniel Richards, a descendant of Reed Richards' father Reed's father traveled forward to the 31st century and brought peace to a war-ravaged Earth - it was here he had a child, named Nathaniel Nathaniel grew up bored of the simple peace he lived, and when he was 16, he stole a time machine, traveled back to Egypt, and became Rama-Tut He then traveled to the “present”, where he met Dr. Doom and became inspired by him Attempting to travel to his home timeline, he passed it by a thousand years, and upon learning that he can easily take over the war-torn planet, decides to go back to when Earth was fruitful so he can make it more worthwhile Often shows up as a foe of the Avengers, but sometimes he battles the Fantastic Four Major storylines: Celestial Madonna - searching for a woman destined to carry a powerful child, he finds Mantis, but is thwarted by alternative versions of himself - here we learn that Immortus and Rama-Tut are also Kang, but after Kang overloads his armor, he destroys himself, deleting Immortus and Rama-Tut from existence as well Council of Kangs - Three variants create a triumvirate to eliminate all other versions, but Ravonna (Kang's lover) tricks one of them into death before Immortus is destroyed by Prime Kang, the only one who remains Avengers Forever - Kang rejects Immortus, and allies with the Avengers to prevent Immortus from allying with the Time Keepers - this involves keeping Rick Jones alive and Avengers from other timelines Kang Dynasty - Kang, along with his son Marcus (operating as Scarlet Centurion), takes over the Earth in order to save it from a horrific future - although he initially conquers the world, he is defeated by the Avengers, with help from a traitorous clone of Marcus, who is infatuated with Carol Danvers (not unlike another version of Marcus) Responsible for the creation of the Young Avengers - 16 year old Nate Richards is rescued by Kang and shown his future growth into the despot, but this horrifies young Nate, and he uses the time-travel technology and transports himself to the past, where he arrives as the Avengers have been disassembled - he downloads the Vision's operating system into his armor, and this amalgamation (Iron Lad) assembles a new team of younger heroes to prevent Kang from rising up in the first place Issues Hedonic adaptation and the Diderot Effect Narcissism Technophilia Break Plugs for Cheers to Comics, Adventures in Erylia, and Meghan Fitzmartin Treatment theme: Anything, but not everything In-universe Out of universe Skit KANG: And now, my boy, it is time for you to DIE! DOC: Wait, it's not supposed to happen like this! * warp sound* IRON LAD: Doctor Issues, I presume? DOC: What the - who the - what the -  IRON LAD: I understand, the whole time manipulation thing can be overwhelming.  DOC: But you were just trying to kill me! IRON LAD: Oh no, sorry, that's a different me.  DOC: Excuse me? IRON LAD: You can call me Iron Lad. Or Nate. DOC: So you're NOT trying to kill me? IRON LAD: Nope, definitely not. I had to warp you out of there, because if you died, it throws the entire timeline outta whack. DOC: But you look just like the guy I was in there…  IRON LAD: Yeah, he's me from the future, but he showed me what it looked like, and I want absolutely nothing to do with that. So I went back to the past, which is your present, to stop myself from becoming him in the future. But the Avengers were gone, so I found the Vision's brain and downloaded it into my armor, and now here I am. DOC: I'm so confused… IRON LAD:  I don't blame you. Sometimes I have to remind myself of who I am now, not who I was or who I might be. DOC: So what happens now? IRON LAD: I'm going to put you back in your office, just a liiiiitle bit earlier in the timestream, so you don't make the mistakes that lead up to whatever it was that made Kang want to kill you. DOC: That's just it, I don't even remember what it was. He just got up out of the chair and pointed a weapon at me.  IRON LAD: Sadly, that's just how he is. He gets this idea in his head, and no matter what anyone says or does, he will do it come hell or high water. Sometimes I think I do it because I don't want anyone else dictating my destiny. DOC: Are we talking about him or you? IRON LAD: Uhh… ok, time to send you back now, good luck!  DOC: Oh no, don't warp me like this, it feels like I'm *warp sound* drowning in- KANG: - the annals of history are *simultaneously* drowning in- DOC: Gaaaaah! KANG: You primitive dare interrupt Kang! You inadvertently prove my point about the vast majority of individuals who are mindless filler for the planet. Important resources wasted on people who can never comprehend how trivial their existence is to the grand scheme of time and history. That is one of my goals, to separate those who are worthy to share in the existence I plan on ushering forth from these… carbon-based cretins. And so far, you have done nothing to dissuade me from counting you in the latter group. DOC: Sorry, it's just… I wasn't feeling like myself. As to your point, philosophers have discussed the value of human existence for millenia.  KANG: Those simpering academics? Bah. Very few are capable of acknowledging the meaningless of their lives, and ironically it is those who are best equipped to assist me in my plans. DOC: So… you're looking for nihilists? KANG: Only in nihilism can you find the ultimate freedom.  DOC: I don't understand. You keep speaking in circles, can you please be direct and just - talk to me? KANG: Have we not been conversing this entire time? *Warp sound* RAMA-TUT: Don't listen to me, I can get a little long-winded sometimes. DOC: What the hell? RAMA-TUT: I am Rama-Tut. The me you were in there with is an older version of me, long after I took over ancient Egypt. DOC: How many of you are there? RAMA-TUT: There are as many variants of me as there are grains of sand in the desert. DOC: That's… unsettling. But why did you take me out of the session? RAMA-TUT: The machinations of Rama-Tut are far beyond your ken. You need only know this: for the universe to avoid never ending calamity, not only must you survive, but you must kill Kang.  DOC: Dude, if you know ANYTHING about me, you'd know I am not going to kill anyone. RAMA-TUT: All mortals have limits, and in order to preserve all of existence, you must push beyond yours. This has been foreseen, and not only by me, but by all Kangs. Why do you think he allowed himself to be captured and brought to you?  DOC: But why me? Literally anyone else could do a better job at that than me. RAMA-TUT: If I divulge that information to you, it would create dangerous ripples throughout the timestream. You must simply trust what I tell you. DOC: Not gonna happen. RAMA-TUT: Nevertheless, I will return you to your session, slightly earlier than before. Take this, it is a chronosword. You must use it to strike down Kang. It will be shielded from him until you are ready to use it. DOC: No, no, no *warp sound* for the last time- KANG: A rather foreboding introduction, Doctor. You speak as though we have met before. DOC: Uh, what I meant to say was- KANG: I have no doubt that my… variants have attempted to persuade you to kill me, have they not? DOC: I'm not exactly sure how client confidentiality works in this type of situation, but I'm gonna go ahead and just say I can't tell you what I spoke to anyyou else about. KANG: It matters not. I have foreseen this all. The entire series of events that led me, you, us to this moment. I have orchestrated what to your mind would be an incomprehensible amount of coincidences, all building up to my single greatest triumph yet. DOC: Not to be entirely self-deprecating, but if your greatest triumph involves me, somehow I think we need to reestablish your definitions of “great” and “triumph”.  KANG: So simple, and yet you have no idea your function as a keystone in the story still to be told. The annals of history are drowning in- DOC: Drowning in- Gaaaah KANG: You primitive dare interrupt Kang! You inadvertently prove my point about- IMMORTUS: *warp sound* The irony of him daring call anyone primitive. DOC: OK, you all have GOT to stop cutting me in & out. And which one are you? IMMORTUS: I am IMMORTUS. And we haven't much time. DOC: Now THAT'S ironic.  IMMORTUS: No, truly, the Time Keepers are hunting me down. I must inform you quickly. You are in grave danger. DOC: Yeah, I got that already. You're the fourth…  you to pull me out of the session already. IMMORTUS: Fourth? *counts to self* that means there's still time then. DOC: Again, we have nothing BUT time. IMMORTUS: Not true at all. Listen to me, as soon as we return, you MUST kill Kang. DOC: Like I told the other guy, that's not gonna happen. IMMORTUS: You don't understand. You must do it before you are pulled from the timestream again. If you don't, the consequences to all of existence will be dire. DOC: Yeah, I know, Kang will destroy the entire universe. IMMORTUS: No, Doctor Issues. YOU will. DOC: Wait, what?!?! IMMORTUS: It would take far too much to explain, just know that… *beep* they're on to me. I must send you back now. DOC: No, wait, come here and *warp sound* talk to me! KANG: Have we not been conversing this entire time? DOC: I… KANG: Which one was it? The whiny child? Or the one who is so certain of his immortality he named himself after it? DOC: Again, to avoid any problems with confidentiality, I can't divulge conversations with other clients, even if they're kinda sorta you. I mean, I know there have been some shenanigans here, but I don't want to keep repeating things, otherwise I might as well just be talking to myself… KANG: You have no idea how right you are, my lad… DOC: What does that mean? KANG: He hasn't told you? DOC: Who hasn't told me what? KANG: Fascinating. Then there's still time for me. Allow me to disengage these restraints- DOC: Hold on, those are state of the art, I worked with the designer personally to ensure- KANG: Yes, but as you well know Doctor, you can't defend against yourself. DOC: Huh? KANG: And now, my boy, it is time for you to DIE! NATHANIEL RICHARDS: *Warp sound* It's not supposed to happen like this. DOC: Lemme guess, you're the “he” who's supposed to reveal some big secret that's going to change everything. NATHANIEL: I am Nathaniel Richards. Father of Kang, Immortus, Rama-Tut, Iron Lad, and all Kangs across the multiverse. And I'm not just any “he”, Doctor Issues. Or should I say… grandfather. DOC: *flat* what NATHANIEL: The timestreams have been merged and diverted so often things are broken. My own memory of how this came to be betrays me. But I know this: you are my grandfather, which makes you- DOC: Ancestor of Kang. NATHANIEL: Indeed. I had hoped to get this information to you sooner, but I was attacked by- DOC: At this point, does it really matter? My entire life, my entire identity, has been thrown into question. And I don't care how much you look or sound like me, I need this information straight from the source. NATHANIEL: What? DOC: I have to go back to Kang. I need to speak to him directly. NATHANIEL: I cannot send you back to where I took you from, or you will die, and it will cause a cataclysmic chain reaction that will obliterate the very fabric of reality! DOC: Then send me back to the moment when he decides I need to die. NATHANIEL: I don't understand. DOC: Look, when I get so much hearsay, I have to strip away all opinion. If Kang wants me dead, I don't need anyone else's interpretation. Whatever he does in that moment is the only thing that can resolve this. I am his provider, and it is my duty. If you are truly of my heritage, you'll understand this, and have some faith. NATHANIEL: I admit I do not understand. But I do have faith. Just know that if this goes wrong, I cannot help you any further. DOC: I know.  NATHANIEL: Then best of luck to you, grandfather. *warp sound* DOC: Hello Kang, I'm… Doctor Issues. For the last time… KANG: A rather foreboding introduction, Doctor. You speak as though we have met before. DOC: Tell me why. KANG: That's… no…  DOC: I may not understand, but I'm ready. KANG: No no no NO NO DAMN YOU NATHANIEL. DOC: Don't blame him, this right now is about why you feel the way you do about me. KANG: For someone who claims to have an advanced education, your understanding of things is below rudimentary. You are responsible for the creation of these other… inferior variants. Ergo, I eliminate you, and they are gone. DOC: As are you. KANG: The threat of vanishing from existence has not stopped me before, and it won't now. Not when I'm so close to having all that I need. Besides, if there's no risk, there's no reward. DOC: Then why do you tell me every time? You are holding something back. From yourself. I can help you confront it. Maybe no one has to die. KANG: You are willing to gamble the fate of the entirety of existence on your ability to speak? We truly are related, ancestor, and I admire your boldness. DOC: Only you would know this. Take us to the moment where we can have the greatest influence. KANG: Very well. Prepare yourself, Doctor. This will be a showdown for the ages. *warp sound* KANG 1: *background*Fascinating. Then there's still time for me. Allow me to disengage these restraints- DOC 1: Hold on, those are state of the art, I worked with the designer personally to ensure- KANG 1: Yes, but as you well know Doctor, you can't defend against yourself.*end background* KANG 2: Here we are. DOC 2: And here you come. To think, he gets all the glory. What does that make you? KANG 2: You clever… Now I know where I get it from. *to Kang 1* You're absolutely right! DOC 1: Huh? *realizes there's another version of him & Kang in the room* WHAT IS HAPPENING KANG 2: And now, my boy, it is time for YOU to DIE! KANG 1: No, this cannot be! DOC 1: Why are there two mes? DOC 2: Long story short, it's all a big timey-wimey ball. DOC 1: How did we end up allying with HIM?!?! DOC 2: Don't worry about that. Just do me a favor, and keep an eye on who our daughter marries in the future. DOC 1: What? DOC 2: Looks like my Kang has your Kang cornered… DOC 1: But he's our… my… patient. I can't let him just do this. DOC 2: If you knew what I know- DOC 1: But I don't, and I took an oath. If you're not going to protect a person that you're responsible for, then I will. DOC 2: Wait! KANG 2: If I were a primitive I might feel shame about ending the life of someone who looks like me. But at this point… KANG 1: Spoken like a true primitive. Alas, you will be the one to fall. DOC 1: Noooo…. KANG 1 & KANG 2: *blasts*  DOC 1: AAAAAAHHHH KANG 1: *dying* Why? KANG 2: *dying* You simpleton… you have shattered the timestream… DOC 1: *dying* I… I took an oath…  DOC 2: And the first part is do no harm… DOC 1: Nok… *dies* Ending Mention timescrew as we come out of the skit Recommended reading: Kang Dynasty Next episodes: Animal sidekicks, Claire Voyant, Penguin Plugs for social References: Lisa Simpson - Anthony Apple Podcasts: here Google Play: here Stitcher: here TuneIn: here iHeartRadio: here Twitter Facebook TikTok  Patreon TeePublic Discord

Just before Quantumania releases, we travel through time with KANG THE CONQUEROR! This temporally unstable episode is our most ambitious yet - don't miss it!  Issue 168 - Kang the Conqueror Intro Ant-Man & the Wasp: Quantumania coming out Feb. 17 - Anthony & Doc will do a review mini-episode after the film drops Background Kang the Conqueror, Nathaniel Richards, created by Stan Lee & Jack Kirby Due to Kang's time-traveling abilities, his backstory, and even creation, are difficult to pin down Rama-Tut - first appeared in Fantastic Four #19 (Oct. 1963) - a time-traveling criminal from the year 3000 who went back to ancient Egypt  In Sept. 1964, in Avengers #8, Rama-Tut reveals he traveled to the year 4000 and is called Kang the Conqueror Two months later (Nov. 1964), Immortus debuts in Avengers #10, and was later retroactively revealed as another variant of Kang Another variant appears a few years later - the Scarlet Centurion (Avengers Annual #2 - Sept. 1968) A heroic version was introduced in Young Avengers #1 (Feb. 2005) - Iron Lad Later revealed that Kang is actually Nathaniel Richards, a descendant of Reed Richards' father Reed's father traveled forward to the 31st century and brought peace to a war-ravaged Earth - it was here he had a child, named Nathaniel Nathaniel grew up bored of the simple peace he lived, and when he was 16, he stole a time machine, traveled back to Egypt, and became Rama-Tut He then traveled to the “present”, where he met Dr. Doom and became inspired by him Attempting to travel to his home timeline, he passed it by a thousand years, and upon learning that he can easily take over the war-torn planet, decides to go back to when Earth was fruitful so he can make it more worthwhile Often shows up as a foe of the Avengers, but sometimes he battles the Fantastic Four Major storylines: Celestial Madonna - searching for a woman destined to carry a powerful child, he finds Mantis, but is thwarted by alternative versions of himself - here we learn that Immortus and Rama-Tut are also Kang, but after Kang overloads his armor, he destroys himself, deleting Immortus and Rama-Tut from existence as well Council of Kangs - Three variants create a triumvirate to eliminate all other versions, but Ravonna (Kang's lover) tricks one of them into death before Immortus is destroyed by Prime Kang, the only one who remains Avengers Forever - Kang rejects Immortus, and allies with the Avengers to prevent Immortus from allying with the Time Keepers - this involves keeping Rick Jones alive and Avengers from other timelines Kang Dynasty - Kang, along with his son Marcus (operating as Scarlet Centurion), takes over the Earth in order to save it from a horrific future - although he initially conquers the world, he is defeated by the Avengers, with help from a traitorous clone of Marcus, who is infatuated with Carol Danvers (not unlike another version of Marcus) Responsible for the creation of the Young Avengers - 16 year old Nate Richards is rescued by Kang and shown his future growth into the despot, but this horrifies young Nate, and he uses the time-travel technology and transports himself to the past, where he arrives as the Avengers have been disassembled - he downloads the Vision's operating system into his armor, and this amalgamation (Iron Lad) assembles a new team of younger heroes to prevent Kang from rising up in the first place Issues Hedonic adaptation and the Diderot Effect Narcissism Technophilia Treatment theme: Anything, but not everything In-universe -  Out of universe -  Skit KANG: And now, my boy, it is time for you to DIE! DOC: Wait, it's not supposed to happen like this! * warp sound* IRON LAD: Doctor Issues, I presume? DOC: What the - who the - what the -  IRON LAD: I understand, the whole time manipulation thing can be overwhelming.  DOC: But you were just trying to kill me! IRON LAD: Oh no, sorry, that's a different me.  DOC: Excuse me? IRON LAD: You can call me Iron Lad. Or Nate. DOC: So you're NOT trying to kill me? IRON LAD: Nope, definitely not. I had to warp you out of there, because if you died, it throws the entire timeline outta whack. DOC: But you look just like the guy I was in there…  IRON LAD: Yeah, he's me from the future, but he showed me what it looked like, and I want absolutely nothing to do with that. So I went back to the past, which is your present, to stop myself from becoming him in the future. But the Avengers were gone, so I found the Vision's brain and downloaded it into my armor, and now here I am. DOC: I'm so confused… IRON LAD:  I don't blame you. Sometimes I have to remind myself of who I am now, not who I was or who I might be. DOC: So what happens now? IRON LAD: I'm going to put you back in your office, just a liiiiitle bit earlier in the timestream, so you don't make the mistakes that lead up to whatever it was that made Kang want to kill you. DOC: That's just it, I don't even remember what it was. He just got up out of the chair and pointed a weapon at me.  IRON LAD: Sadly, that's just how he is. He gets this idea in his head, and no matter what anyone says or does, he will do it come hell or high water. Sometimes I think I do it because I don't want anyone else dictating my destiny. DOC: Are we talking about him or you? IRON LAD: Uhh… ok, time to send you back now, good luck!  DOC: Oh no, don't warp me like this, it feels like I'm *warp sound* drowning in- KANG: - the annals of history are *simultaneously* drowning in- DOC: Gaaaaah! KANG: You primitive dare interrupt Kang! You inadvertently prove my point about the vast majority of individuals who are mindless filler for the planet. Important resources wasted on people who can never comprehend how trivial their existence is to the grand scheme of time and history. That is one of my goals, to separate those who are worthy to share in the existence I plan on ushering forth from these… carbon-based cretins. And so far, you have done nothing to dissuade me from counting you in the latter group. DOC: Sorry, it's just… I wasn't feeling like myself. As to your point, philosophers have discussed the value of human existence for millenia.  KANG: Those simpering academics? Bah. Very few are capable of acknowledging the meaningless of their lives, and ironically it is those who are best equipped to assist me in my plans. DOC: So… you're looking for nihilists? KANG: Only in nihilism can you find the ultimate freedom.  DOC: I don't understand. You keep speaking in circles, can you please be direct and just - talk to me? KANG: Have we not been conversing this entire time? *Warp sound* RAMA-TUT: Don't listen to me, I can get a little long-winded sometimes. DOC: What the hell? RAMA-TUT: I am Rama-Tut. The me you were in there with is an older version of me, long after I took over ancient Egypt. DOC: How many of you are there? RAMA-TUT: There are as many variants of me as there are grains of sand in the desert. DOC: That's… unsettling. But why did you take me out of the session? RAMA-TUT: The machinations of Rama-Tut are far beyond your ken. You need only know this: for the universe to avoid never ending calamity, not only must you survive, but you must kill Kang.  DOC: Dude, if you know ANYTHING about me, you'd know I am not going to kill anyone. RAMA-TUT: All mortals have limits, and in order to preserve all of existence, you must push beyond yours. This has been foreseen, and not only by me, but by all Kangs. Why do you think he allowed himself to be captured and brought to you?  DOC: But why me? Literally anyone else could do a better job at that than me. RAMA-TUT: If I divulge that information to you, it would create dangerous ripples throughout the timestream. You must simply trust what I tell you. DOC: Not gonna happen. RAMA-TUT: Nevertheless, I will return you to your session, slightly earlier than before. Take this, it is a chronosword. You must use it to strike down Kang. It will be shielded from him until you are ready to use it. DOC: No, no, no *warp sound* for the last time- KANG: A rather foreboding introduction, Doctor. You speak as though we have met before. DOC: Uh, what I meant to say was- KANG: I have no doubt that my… variants have attempted to persuade you to kill me, have they not? DOC: I'm not exactly sure how client confidentiality works in this type of situation, but I'm gonna go ahead and just say I can't tell you what I spoke to anyyou else about. KANG: It matters not. I have foreseen this all. The entire series of events that led me, you, us to this moment. I have orchestrated what to your mind would be an incomprehensible amount of coincidences, all building up to my single greatest triumph yet. DOC: Not to be entirely self-deprecating, but if your greatest triumph involves me, somehow I think we need to reestablish your definitions of “great” and “triumph”.  KANG: So simple, and yet you have no idea your function as a keystone in the story still to be told. The annals of history are drowning in- DOC: Drowning in- Gaaaah KANG: You primitive dare interrupt Kang! You inadvertently prove my point about- IMMORTUS: *warp sound* The irony of him daring call anyone primitive. DOC: OK, you all have GOT to stop cutting me in & out. And which one are you? IMMORTUS: I am IMMORTUS. And we haven't much time. DOC: Now THAT'S ironic.  IMMORTUS: No, truly, the Time Keepers are hunting me down. I must inform you quickly. You are in grave danger. DOC: Yeah, I got that already. You're the fourth…  you to pull me out of the session already. IMMORTUS: Fourth? *counts to self* that means there's still time then. DOC: Again, we have nothing BUT time. IMMORTUS: Not true at all. Listen to me, as soon as we return, you MUST kill Kang. DOC: Like I told the other guy, that's not gonna happen. IMMORTUS: You don't understand. You must do it before you are pulled from the timestream again. If you don't, the consequences to all of existence will be dire. DOC: Yeah, I know, Kang will destroy the entire universe. IMMORTUS: No, Doctor Issues. YOU will. DOC: Wait, what?!?! IMMORTUS: It would take far too much to explain, just know that… *beep* they're on to me. I must send you back now. DOC: No, wait, come here and *warp sound* talk to me! KANG: Have we not been conversing this entire time? DOC: I… KANG: Which one was it? The whiny child? Or the one who is so certain of his immortality he named himself after it? DOC: Again, to avoid any problems with confidentiality, I can't divulge conversations with other clients, even if they're kinda sorta you. I mean, I know there have been some shenanigans here, but I don't want to keep repeating things, otherwise I might as well just be talking to myself… KANG: You have no idea how right you are, my lad… DOC: What does that mean? KANG: He hasn't told you? DOC: Who hasn't told me what? KANG: Fascinating. Then there's still time for me. Allow me to disengage these restraints- DOC: Hold on, those are state of the art, I worked with the designer personally to ensure- KANG: Yes, but as you well know Doctor, you can't defend against yourself. DOC: Huh? KANG: And now, my boy, it is time for you to DIE! NATHANIEL RICHARDS: *Warp sound* It's not supposed to happen like this. DOC: Lemme guess, you're the “he” who's supposed to reveal some big secret that's going to change everything. NATHANIEL: I am Nathaniel Richards. Father of Kang, Immortus, Rama-Tut, Iron Lad, and all Kangs across the multiverse. And I'm not just any “he”, Doctor Issues. Or should I say… grandfather. DOC: *flat* what NATHANIEL: The timestreams have been merged and diverted so often things are broken. My own memory of how this came to be betrays me. But I know this: you are my grandfather, which makes you- DOC: Ancestor of Kang. NATHANIEL: Indeed. I had hoped to get this information to you sooner, but I was attacked by- DOC: At this point, does it really matter? My entire life, my entire identity, has been thrown into question. And I don't care how much you look or sound like me, I need this information straight from the source. NATHANIEL: What? DOC: I have to go back to Kang. I need to speak to him directly. NATHANIEL: I cannot send you back to where I took you from, or you will die, and it will cause a cataclysmic chain reaction that will obliterate the very fabric of reality! DOC: Then send me back to the moment when he decides I need to die. NATHANIEL: I don't understand. DOC: Look, when I get so much hearsay, I have to strip away all opinion. If Kang wants me dead, I don't need anyone else's interpretation. Whatever he does in that moment is the only thing that can resolve this. I am his provider, and it is my duty. If you are truly of my heritage, you'll understand this, and have some faith. NATHANIEL: I admit I do not understand. But I do have faith. Just know that if this goes wrong, I cannot help you any further. DOC: I know.  NATHANIEL: Then best of luck to you, grandfather. *warp sound* DOC: Hello Kang, I'm… Doctor Issues. For the last time… KANG: A rather foreboding introduction, Doctor. You speak as though we have met before. DOC: Tell me why. KANG: That's… no…  DOC: I may not understand, but I'm ready. KANG: No no no NO NO DAMN YOU NATHANIEL. DOC: Don't blame him, this right now is about why you feel the way you do about me. KANG: For someone who claims to have an advanced education, your understanding of things is below rudimentary. You are responsible for the creation of these other… inferior variants. Ergo, I eliminate you, and they are gone. DOC: As are you. KANG: The threat of vanishing from existence has not stopped me before, and it won't now. Not when I'm so close to having all that I need. Besides, if there's no risk, there's no reward. DOC: Then why do you tell me every time? You are holding something back. From yourself. I can help you confront it. Maybe no one has to die. KANG: You are willing to gamble the fate of the entirety of existence on your ability to speak? We truly are related, ancestor, and I admire your boldness. DOC: Only you would know this. Take us to the moment where we can have the greatest influence. KANG: Very well. Prepare yourself, Doctor. This will be a showdown for the ages. *warp sound* KANG 1: *background*Fascinating. Then there's still time for me. Allow me to disengage these restraints- DOC 1: Hold on, those are state of the art, I worked with the designer personally to ensure- KANG 1: Yes, but as you well know Doctor, you can't defend against yourself.*end background* KANG 2: Here we are. DOC 2: And here you come. To think, he gets all the glory. What does that make you? KANG 2: You clever… Now I know where I get it from. *to Kang 1* You're absolutely right! DOC 1: Huh? *realizes there's another version of him & Kang in the room* WHAT IS HAPPENING KANG 2: And now, my boy, it is time for YOU to DIE! KANG 1: No, this cannot be! DOC 1: Why are there two mes? DOC 2: Long story short, it's all a big timey-wimey ball. DOC 1: How did we end up allying with HIM?!?! DOC 2: Don't worry about that. Just do me a favor, and keep an eye on who our daughter marries in the future. DOC 1: What? DOC 2: Looks like my Kang has your Kang cornered… DOC 1: But he's our… my… patient. I can't let him just do this. DOC 2: If you knew what I know- DOC 1: But I don't, and I took an oath. If you're not going to protect a person that you're responsible for, then I will. DOC 2: Wait! KANG 2: If I were a primitive I might feel shame about ending the life of someone who looks like me. But at this point… KANG 1: Spoken like a true primitive. Alas, you will be the one to fall. DOC 1: Noooo…. KANG 1 & KANG 2: *blasts*  DOC 1: AAAAAAHHHH KANG 1: *dying* Why? KANG 2: *dying* You simpleton… you have shattered the timestream… DOC 1: *dying* I… I took an oath…  DOC 2: And the first part is do no harm… DOC 1: Nok… *dies* Ending Mention timescrew as we come out of the skit Recommended reading: Kang Dynasty Next episodes: Animal sidekicks, Claire Voyant, Penguin Plugs for social References: Lisa Simpson - Anthony Apple Podcasts: here Google Play: here Stitcher: here TuneIn: here iHeartRadio: here Twitter Facebook TikTok  Patreon TeePublic Discord

In this episode, Greg and Leon are joined by special guests Nigel (https://www.acecomicals.com/guests/nigeltwumasi) and Tazziii (https://www.acecomicals.com/guests/tazziii) for the crackling epicentre of a universe shattering event! part of a crossover with the Mayamada Story X Story Podcast (https://mayamada.com/storyxstory/) We are here to discuss Jack Kirby's ETERNALS (https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/81105/eternals_by_jack_kirby_the_complete_collection_remastered_cover_trade_paperback). In honor of the introduction of THE ETERNALS to the MCU (https://www.marvel.com/movies/eternals)we are going to be taking a look at The beginning of the Marvel Universe's Mythology, laid down by the king himself Jack Kirby. Riffing on the existence of gods, demons, monsters and heroes of ancient times. The genesis of man to modern day, told the marvel way. The yarn spun about beginnings of life on Earth and beyond in the Marvel Universe! It all begins here with Jack Kirby's bronze age books. Diving into the THE ETERNALS (1976) (https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/81105/eternals_by_jack_kirby_the_complete_collection_remastered_cover_trade_paperback) We aim to provide you with an overview of the Marvel creation myth as well as discussing some truly great comics! Notes: Below is the comparison image mentioned during the cast that illustrates the similarity of The Eternals title title lettering to that of the 1971 Bantam paperback edition of "Chariots Of The Gods?" Send any questions or feedback to (mailto:acecomicals@gmail.com) acecomicals@gmail.com. And also please subscribe (http://www.acecomicals.com/subscribe) and leave us a review! If you like what we do please consider donating to us (https://ko-fi.com/acecomicals) at https://ko-fi.com/acecomicals. All contributions will be used to defray the cost of hosting the website. Ace Comicals, over and out!# Special Guests: Nigel Twumasi and Tazziii.

We talk about Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and the things you missed if you don't read the comics. Hear about Ego, Starlord, Sovereign, Yondu, Ravagers, Mantis, Adam Warlock, and more! Talk with us on Twitter. Links from the discussion… Ayesha the High Priestess is closely associated with Adam Warlock in the comics. The Sovereigns don't exist in the comics. Ego the living planet isn't Peter Quill's father and isn't a Celestial. Mantis was trained in martial arts by the Kree who thought she would become the Celestial Madonna. Yondu is a Centaurian. Yondu's "whistle arrow" is not in the comics. He was in the original Guardians of the Galaxy. You can see why he's called Taserface in the comics. Also, he's ridiculous. The original Guardians of the Galaxy was Vance Astro, Martinex T'Naga, Captain Charlie-27, and Yondu Udonta. Later members included Stakar Ogord, Aleta Ogord, and Nikki. Adam Warlock played a key role in defeating Thanos in the comics. Not sure what Marvel plans to do with him at this point, if anything.

A master of subliminal manipulation. The guardian of the Nexus of All Realities. The Celestial Madonna. The one hero from Newfoundland. Which are hot, which are not? The Girls of the Hot Squad will tell you as they continue reading the eighth issue of Marvel Universe Deluxe. Featuring permanent panelists Elyse, Isabel, Nathalie, Josée, Shotgun, and Amélie. Listen to Episode 71 below (the usual mature language warnings apply), or subscribe to oHOTmu OR NOT? on iTunes! Relevant images and further credits at: oHOTmu or NOT ep.71 Supplemental This podcast is a proud member of the FIRE AND WATER PODCAST NETWORK! Visit our WEBSITE: http://fireandwaterpodcast.com/ Follow us on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/FWPodcasts Like our FACEBOOK page: https://www.facebook.com/FWPodcastNetwork Use our HASHTAG online: #FWPodcasts Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/fwpodcasts Subscribe via iTunes as part of the FIRE AND WATER PODCAST NETWORK. And thanks for leaving a comment.

Marvel has created the perfect being! No, it’s not Ryan or Lorraine (but thank you for your flattery). It’s the Celestial Madonna, who you may know as Mantis! It’s a story of crime lords, time travel, and psychic trees- perhaps one of the craziest tales Marvel has ever told. Buckle up!

Marvel’s Celestial Madonna and Celestial Messiah concepts are some of the most confounding in Avengers and Marvel cosmic history, mysteries wrapped inside enigmas made of questions. Today I’ll answer: + What or Who the heck is Marvel’s Celestial Messiah? + Why does the Messiah matter in 2020? + What does this have to do with […] The post Krakin’ Krakoa #42: 3 Cosmic Prophecies in Marvel Comics- How Ewing, Hickman & the Celestial Messiah Intersect appeared first on Comic Book Herald.

Marvel comics of 1975. X-MEN! Celestial Madonna! Uh… Champions? Our guest today is Gary Butterfield – You can find more of Gary’s excellent work at http://duckfeed.tv/ On this episode we cover the following issues (all available via Marvel Unlimited): Giant Size X-Men #1 Uncanny X-Men #94, #95 Giant Size Fantastic Four #4 Tomb of Dracula […] The post Marvel Year Fourteen: 1975 Pt.1 Featuring Gary Butterfield appeared first on Comic Book Herald.

What is the Celestial Madonna? Why does Kang want her? Who is it gonna be? SHOULD YOU CARE?!Find out here!

Big week this time around. The wedding of Crystal and Quicksilver! The death of The Swordsman! The identity of the Celestial Madonna! The coming of Deathlok the Demolisher!We also read George Perez's first published art the same week he announces his retirement.

3rddegree Byrne episode 21 Avengers 181 Avengers Assemble! As of right this minute, Avengers: Infinity War is half a million dollars away from breaking the two billion dollar mark. That sounds like a great time to jump on the coattails bandwagon. Not being one to miss out, 3rdDegree Byrne is covering some good old time John Byrne-Avengers! Thats right. We go back to 1982 and cover Avengers 181. This one has it all, except for: ACTION!! ADVENTURE!! ROMANCE!! What does it have? A MEETING! A CHANGE OF STAFF!! HANGERS-ON LEAVING WITHOUT SAYING A WORD!!! AND A CONTINUATION OF A PLOTLINE THAT STARTED NEARLY TWO YEARS PRIOR!!!!!!!! Seriously though, this was just following up after the Celestial Madonna storyline* and they needed to clean house. Jarvis can only do so much, you know *(See recent Episodes of “Back to the Bins: Avengers Spotlight”-Half-Wit Hughes) SPOILER WARNINGS! Black Panther 14:50 Infinity War 20:30 Lost In Space (Netflix) 1:30:00Feedback for this show can be sent to: gottagetbyrned@gmail.com3rd Degree Byrne is proud to be part of the TwoTrueFreaks Internet Radio Network http://twotruefreaks.com/main.php Two True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network(http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts(http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Visit our Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/groups/3rdDegreeByrne/ Follow us on Twitter at https://twitter.com/byrnepodcast THANK YOU for listening to 3rd Degree Byrne!

3rddegree Byrne episode 21 Avengers 181 Avengers Assemble! As of right this minute, Avengers: Infinity War is half a million dollars away from breaking the two billion dollar mark. That sounds like a great time to jump on the coattails bandwagon. Not being one to miss out, 3rdDegree Byrne is covering some good old time John Byrne-Avengers! Thats right. We go back to 1982 and cover Avengers 181. This one has it all, except for: ACTION!! ADVENTURE!! ROMANCE!! What does it have? A MEETING! A CHANGE OF STAFF!! HANGERS-ON LEAVING WITHOUT SAYING A WORD!!! AND A CONTINUATION OF A PLOTLINE THAT STARTED NEARLY TWO YEARS PRIOR!!!!!!!! Seriously though, this was just following up after the Celestial Madonna storyline* and they needed to clean house. Jarvis can only do so much, you know *(See recent Episodes of “Back to the Bins: Avengers Spotlight”-Half-Wit Hughes) SPOILER WARNINGS! Black Panther 14:50 Infinity War 20:30 Lost In Space (Netflix) 1:30:00Feedback for this show can be sent to: gottagetbyrned@gmail.com3rd Degree Byrne is proud to be part of the TwoTrueFreaks Internet Radio Network http://twotruefreaks.com/main.php Two True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network(http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts(http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Visit our Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/groups/3rdDegreeByrne/ Follow us on Twitter at https://twitter.com/byrnepodcast THANK YOU for listening to 3rd Degree Byrne!

Paul and Bill take a look at Avengers #134 as we barrel towards the conclusion of this classic saga of Celestial Madonna-ness. Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Paul and Bill take a look at Avengers #134 as we barrel towards the conclusion of this classic saga of Celestial Madonna-ness. Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Disenfranchised by the modern comics industry, Paul Spataro and Bill Robinson now ply the timestream in a never-ending quest to re-discover and re-connect with that unique brand of fun and excitement that can only truly be found in good ol' fashioned r

Avenger's Spotlight returns as Paul & Bill take a look at the next chapter of the Celestial Madonna Saga in Avengers #133. It's a look at the beginnings of the Marvel Universe, with the origin of the Original human Torch sharing space with the origin of the Kree.Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Disenfranchised by the modern comics industry, Paul Spataro and Bill Robinson now ply the timestream in a never-ending quest to re-discover and re-connect with that unique brand of fun and excitement that can only truly be found in good ol' fashioned r

Avenger's Spotlight returns as Paul & Bill take a look at the next chapter of the Celestial Madonna Saga in Avengers #133. It's a look at the beginnings of the Marvel Universe, with the origin of the Original human Torch sharing space with the origin of the Kree.Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Paul and Dr. Bill take a look at Avengers #132 as the Celestial Madonna Saga continues. We think that Scott is lost in the halls of Limbo, but we'll find him eventually!Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Disenfranchised by the modern comics industry, Paul Spataro and Bill Robinson now ply the timestream in a never-ending quest to re-discover and re-connect with that unique brand of fun and excitement that can only truly be found in good ol' fashioned r

Paul and Dr. Bill take a look at Avengers #132 as the Celestial Madonna Saga continues. We think that Scott is lost in the halls of Limbo, but we'll find him eventually!Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Scott has Celestial Madonna-itis, but manages to join Paul and Dr. Bill to take a look at the next installment of the saga, as the dead rise to take on The Avengers!Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Disenfranchised by the modern comics industry, Paul Spataro and Bill Robinson now ply the timestream in a never-ending quest to re-discover and re-connect with that unique brand of fun and excitement that can only truly be found in good ol' fashioned r

Scott has Celestial Madonna-itis, but manages to join Paul and Dr. Bill to take a look at the next installment of the saga, as the dead rise to take on The Avengers!Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

The Boys are back and moving along down the Celestial Madonna road. Part three lies just ahead, join us won't you.Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Disenfranchised by the modern comics industry, Paul Spataro and Bill Robinson now ply the timestream in a never-ending quest to re-discover and re-connect with that unique brand of fun and excitement that can only truly be found in good ol' fashioned r

The Boys are back and moving along down the Celestial Madonna road. Part three lies just ahead, join us won't you.Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

The Celestial Madonna Saga continues with Giant-Sized fun as Scott, Bill and Paul take a look at the second part of this epic tale of fun and mystery, as an Avenger bites the dust! Listen in and come along for the ride.Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Disenfranchised by the modern comics industry, Paul Spataro and Bill Robinson now ply the timestream in a never-ending quest to re-discover and re-connect with that unique brand of fun and excitement that can only truly be found in good ol' fashioned r

The Celestial Madonna Saga continues with Giant-Sized fun as Scott, Bill and Paul take a look at the second part of this epic tale of fun and mystery, as an Avenger bites the dust! Listen in and come along for the ride.Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Celestia Madonna, Children at your feet...wonder how you manage to make ends meet.... Paul and Dr. Bill start the much talked about, long-awaited, epic Celestial Madonna Saga! First up, a glance at Avengers #128, followed by a closer look at Avengers #129. Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Disenfranchised by the modern comics industry, Paul Spataro and Bill Robinson now ply the timestream in a never-ending quest to re-discover and re-connect with that unique brand of fun and excitement that can only truly be found in good ol' fashioned r

Celestia Madonna, Children at your feet...wonder how you manage to make ends meet.... Paul and Dr. Bill start the much talked about, long-awaited, epic Celestial Madonna Saga! First up, a glance at Avengers #128, followed by a closer look at Avengers #129. Feedback for this show can be sent to: bins@twotruefreaks.comTwo True Freaks! is a proud member of BOTH the Comics Podcast Network (http://www.comicspodcasts.com/) and the League of Comic Book Podcasts (http://www.comicbooknoise.com/league/)!! Follow the fun on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/113051642052970/ THANK YOU for listening to Two True Freaks!!

Could this possibly be the end to the Celestial Madonna saga? Let's just say it goes out in spectacular fashion. Vision and Scarlet Witch get married. Mantis marries a tree, becomes an official member, then disappears. Plus we get surprise appearances from Dormammu, Kang, and the Space Phantom. It's truly magical.

Great...Kang is back. The team is kidnapped. Hawkeye returns. We get involved in a whole time travel thing and the Celestial Madonna saga begins. The Swordsman dies. The team fights some bad guys in Vietnam. And we all wonder why we wasted our time.