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This episode with Linda Santoni is a bit of a milestone for the podcast. Linda is a 2L at the University of Bologna in Italy and the first guest I have ever had from Italy, which, by itself, made this a fun one to record. It also happened to be my final episode recorded from Albany before making the move back to Long Island, so a fitting send-off all around.Linda's path is genuinely unlike anything I have covered before. In Italy, law school is a five-year program that doubles as your bachelor's degree, so she started right out of high school at 19 years old. Before that, in high school, she focused on Humanities Studies, where she some time reading and learned Greek and Latin texts in their original languages. We got into how that discipline actually translates pretty cleanly to legal work, and it might be one of the most interesting connections I have drawn with a guest in a while.What I really enjoyed about this conversation was where it went after the basics. Linda is deep into international law and has already been to Washington, D.C. for the American Society of International Law's annual meeting, where she serves as Vice Chair of the International Development Law Interest Group. She also walked through her experience as an advisor for the Philip Jessup International Law Moot Court Competition, which she initially saw as a failure for not making the speaking team, but turned into one of the most valuable experiences she has had. The whole “failure opening doors you wouldn't have seen otherwise” thing landed.We also got philosophical, which you knew was going to happen the second she mentioned reading Aristotle in Greek. I asked Linda about her take on the American Dream for young lawyers, and her answer about community impact and giving a voice to people who get neglected by the system was genuinely one of the more thoughtful answers I have gotten to that kind of question.Linda's LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/linda-santoniBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use codeLITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
This episode with Victoria Callier is a great one to close out a guest's law school chapter on. Victoria is a recent graduate of UNLV School of Law and a semi-finalist for Rhetoric's Moot Court Madness competition. Victoria takes us down her journey, from being a kid in Las Vegas who would pick an animal of the week and force her parents to sit through a full persuasive presentation on why it was the best one, to studying English at SMU, to coming back home to UNLV and heading off to clerk for the Nevada Supreme Court in Reno right after the bar.What I appreciated most about this conversation is Victoria's honesty. She did not love 1L, and she says so plainly. She went into her first semester treating everyone as competition before a study group completely turned her mental well-being around. She also walked into law school set on immigration and asylum work, then realized through her internships that she did not have the emotional bandwidth for it, and was self-aware enough to pivot toward the corporate research and writing she actually loves. Oh, and somewhere in the middle of all of that, she was Miss Nevada and runs a mental health nonprofit she started back in high school called More Than You Think.Victoria also gets into Moot Court Madness and how the AI feedback from her first run, which she was handing over information without actually persuading anyone, reshaped the way she reads cases and builds arguments. Her closing advice is simple, but it stuck with me: find what you love about the law and hold onto it, because that “why” is what carries you through the moments you want to quit.A genuinely fun and honest conversation, and a fitting send-off as Victoria heads into her clerkship.Victoria's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/victoriacallierBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use codeLITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
This episode with Daniel Radigan is one I have been looking forward to for a while. Danny is a 3L at Case Western Reserve University School of Law and a finalist for Rhetoric's Moot Court Madness competition. Danny takes us down his journey, from growing up in Cleveland to playing Division I soccer as a goalie at Duquesne University, to working for his distant cousin Scott Lynch at a small probate firm in Chardon, Ohio, that ultimately sold him on going to law school.What stands out about Danny is just how much he has taken advantage of his time in law school. He has stacked clerkships and externships at the Milton Kramer Law Clinic, the U.S. Attorney's Office, the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, and a summer associate position at Porter Wright, all leading up to a summer at Baker Hostetler and a federal clerkship lined up after graduation with a Judge in Pittsburgh, who he actually took a pre-law class with as a junior in undergrad. A full-circle moment if there ever was one. Danny also gets into his love of moot court, his thoughts on AI in legal writing, and his honest take on using Cicero throughout the Moot Court Madness competition.This was a fantastic conversation with a guy who is clearly going to make a great attorney one day!Danny's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-radiganBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use codeLITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
This episode with Harry O'Connell is one of the most unique stories I have had on this podcast. Harry is a current law student at Griffith College Dublin and the blogger behind Across the Pond Under the Law, but before any of that, he was a member of the Irish boy band Next In Line, signed to a record deal at 18 with legendary manager Louis Walsh (the same guy who helped form One Direction). Harry takes us through his journey, from only singing in front of people for the first time at 16 to getting out of class in his school musical, to auditioning alongside 4,000 people and making it into the group, to signing publishing, recording, and merchandise deals in London at 18 years old.What makes Harry's story so interesting is how his time as the point of contact between his band and their lawyer sparked his interest in law. He got a front-row seat to the legal side of the music business, and when he left the band at 22, it just felt right. Law school in Ireland is an undergraduate degree, which is wildly different from the U.S. system, and Harry breaks down how the whole process works, from the Leaving Cert to the three-year program he is now almost done with his first year of.This was a fantastic and genuinely fascinating conversation with someone whose path to law school is unlike anyone else I have had on. One you don't want to miss!Harry's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/harry-o-connellAcross the Pond Under the Law: https://acrossthepondunderthelaw.wordpress.comBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use codeLITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
This episode with Kimberly is one that I think a lot of law students and young attorneys will find themselves in. Kimberly is a triple-graduate of the University of Florida, a diehard Gator, and is currently a partner at an AmLaw 100 firm with 17+ years as a commercial litigator, specializing in work for banks and financial institutions. Kimberly takes us down her journey, from originally wanting to be a journalist at the Orlando Sentinel, to discovering law through a media law class in her junior year of undergrad, to pursuing a joint JD and master's in mass communications at UF with dreams of becoming a First Amendment attorney, to eventually finding her path in commercial foreclosure and secured transactions litigation an area she never would have imagined herself in but has come to truly love.Beyond her practice, Kimberly is the creator of Latina Legal Minds, a podcast and platform she started during the pandemic as a creative outlet that has since become her passion project. She also founded the Latina Legal Minds Power Summit, a live event creating space for Latina attorneys to have critical conversations about salary negotiations, big law, and navigating the profession. Her message on authenticity, that it isn't something to figure out later but something to protect from day one, is one that every law student and professional needs to hear.This was an incredible conversation with someone who truly exemplifies what it means to advocate for yourself and build community along the way. Kimberly's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimberlylopez/Latina Legal MindsBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use codeLITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
This episode with Robert McNeill is truly one of the most unique journeys I have encountered on this podcast to date. Bob is an oral and maxillofacial surgeon at The Dental Specialists, a healthcare regulator in Texas, a strategic advisor for the American Dental Association, and on top of all of that, he is now a 1L at Northeastern University School of Law in their FlexJD program, along with his wife, who is also a surgeon and in the same law school class as him. Yes, you read that correctly.What makes Bob's story so fascinating is his commitment to being useful. He has a DDS, an MD, an MBA from a healthcare management program, and a public policy fellowship from the Harvard Kennedy School, and he is adding a JD to the mix in his 50s. But as Bob himself says, this isn't about collecting credentials, it's about changing the lens through which he sees problems at the intersection of policy, systems, and patient safety. Between studying for his criminal law final, writing his legal writing memo from a cafe in Fez, Morocco, during spring break, and climbing Kilimanjaro right before starting 1L, Bob is the definition of enjoying the journey.This was a fantastic and wide-ranging conversation with a man who keeps pushing the envelope at every stage of life. Bob's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobddsmdBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use codeLITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
In this episode of Success Unlocked, Dr. Adrienne Shnier sits down with AYG client and team member Braeden Donnelly to talk about what it really looks like to apply to law school while balancing a full life. From university classes and extracurriculars to LSAT prep, application writing, and long-term career goals, Braeden shares how he learned to stop seeing the process as overwhelming and start seeing it as something that could work together.They unpack one of the biggest myths pre-law students believe: that you need to put your life on hold, clear your schedule, or wait until the “perfect time” to apply. Instead, this conversation shows why your busiest season may actually be the richest source of material for a compelling law school application.Adrienne and Braeden also dive into the deeper work behind personal statements, including how AYG helps students connect the dots between their experiences, clarify why law is truly the right path, and write from a place of confidence instead of desperation. They talk about the shift from trying to impress admissions committees to showing schools exactly why your perspective, experiences, and ideas belong there.If you are trying to balance LSAT prep with school, wondering whether you are too busy to apply, or struggling to write a personal statement that actually sounds like you, this episode will give you a powerful new perspective.This conversation is about more than getting into law school. It is about trusting the process, owning your story, and building the mindset that will carry you far beyond your acceptance.What You'll Learn ✔ Why being busy is not a reason to delay your law school application ✔ How extracurriculars, work, and real life experiences strengthen your candidacy ✔ Why law schools are building a community, not looking for one perfect type of student ✔ How to balance LSAT prep, school, and application writing at the same time ✔ Why scheduling is one of the most important parts of a successful application cycle ✔ How AYG helps students connect the dots in their story before they start drafting ✔ Why strong personal statements come from clarity, not cliché ✔ How to stop writing from a place of proving yourself and start writing from confidence ✔ Why authentic applications are more powerful than trying to sound impressive ✔ What it means to trust the process and stay all in on your future ✔ Why coaching and community still matter even after yMastering Academic Applications: From Scratch to Submission is now open for you to complete your applications in 12-weeks! With live coaching, you develop your applications & gain insights into your applications processes like never before. Join us now using this link to enroll!Connect with Adrienne!Looking for support with your graduate or professional school applications? Connect with us at Apply Yourself Global™! Email me personally at adrienne@applyyourselfglobal.com. You can also DM me on Instagram @applyyourselfglobal.Ask the ExpertHave any questions on applications, success, test prep, and more? Send your questions us, or you can submit an audio file via Instagram DM and we can feature you on the podcast!Work with Adrienne
Barry is a University of Texas School of Law graduate and currently works as the Owner of Seidel & Associates. He is also the author of Evolutions of Law Practice: How I Opened My Own Practice Right out of Law School. This episode with Barry Seidel is one that I have been looking forward to for a long time. Barry is a University of Texas School of Law graduate who did something that very few people have the guts to do: he opened his own law practice straight out of law school in 1982 and has been running it for 43 years. Barry takes us through his entire journey, from finding a book in law school that laid out a game plan for going solo without missing a meal, to setting up shop in a suite of lawyers in Manhattan and hustling for court appearances, to becoming the “King of Queens” after the New York Law Journal put him on the cover for his genius court appearance service business that landed him 275 new clients from 1,300 targeted letters.What makes Barry's story so valuable is that he is the definition of evolving with the times. He started with landlord-tenant work, built a side business making court appearances for other attorneys, and has continuously adapted his practice over four decades, all while staying a solo practitioner. His book, Evolutions of a Law Practice: How I Opened My Own Practice Right Out of Law School, captures all of this, and I encourage everyone listening to go check it out.This was a truly fascinating conversation with a man who has seen it all in the legal world and is still going strong.Barry's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nylaw2law/Barry's Book: Evolutions of a Law Practice: How I Opened My Own Practice Right Out of Law School: https://a.co/d/00axIkRoBarry's Substack: https://substack.com/@barryseidelBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use codeLITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Locke Adair is a Faulkner University Thomas Goode Jones School of Law Graduate and currently works as an attorney at The Sanders Firm. This episode with Locke Adair is one of the most inspiring underdog stories I've had on this podcast. Locke takes us down his journey, from growing up as a Bible major who scored a 13 on his ACT reading section and never believed in himself academically, to teaching and coaching at a rural school in Arkansas, to his mom paying for him to take the LSAT on a whim, which he barely studied for, all the way to graduating summa cum laude, second in his class at Faulkner University School of Law and landing a federal clerkship that nobody saw coming.And what makes Locke's story even more powerful is his honesty about the realities of practicing law. He went from making $260,000 at a firm in Dallas, billing 200 hours a month, to moving back home to Arkansas for a slower pace of life, coaching his kids' sports, and running his own docket at the Sanders firm, all while teaching as a visiting assistant professor at Harding University. A true testament to prioritizing quality of life over the paycheck.This was a fascinating conversation with someone who completely flipped his identity and proved that where you start doesn't define where you end up!Locke's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lockeadairBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use codeLITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Matthew is a University of Kentucky College of Law Graduate and currently works as the Chief Commercial Officer at Priori. This episode with Matthew Wheatley was truly one of the favorites I've ever had on this podcast. I always tell my guests to keep things as informal as possible, and Matt took that to heart. This was less of an interview and more of a genuine conversation between two guys who just clicked. Matt is a University of Kentucky College of Law graduate who went from making $55K as a lawyer in Kentucky to taking a huge risk and moving to New York City to chase the dream of living in the big city, working as a legal recruiter, and making $60K. From there, he worked his way through the alternative legal services space and is now the Chief Commercial Officer at Priori, a legal tech company that helps lawyers practice on their own terms.What stands out about Matt's story is his honesty about not having that “blue chip” background and not following the traditional path that so many lawyers feel locked into. He looked where others weren't looking, committed to the alternative legal services world, and built a career where there was far less competition because nobody else was trying to do what he was doing. His insight that your pedigree stops mattering once you get into the real world and that it's the small things, like genuinely caring and making the people around you better, is something every law student and professional needs to hear.This was a fantastic, wide-ranging conversation covering everything from bacon, egg, and cheese to Plato's cave allegory. Matt's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewwheatleyBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Richard is an Albany Law School Graduate and currently works as a Partner at Phillips Lytle. This episode with Richard Honen hits close to home, literally. Rich is a fellow University at Albany alum, or as he calls it, Albany State, and an Albany Law School graduate who has been practicing law right here in Albany for 40 years. Rich takes us down his journey, from drifting into law school after his roommate convinced him to apply on a Smith Corona typewriter, to helping carry a conference table into the office on his very first day at a brand new firm, to eventually buying that firm, putting his name on the door, and later merging it with Phillips Lytle, where he now leads their startup and venture capital practice.What I love about Rich's story is the entrepreneurial thread that runs through all of it. He built a firm from two file cabinets of cases into something worth merging with one of the biggest firms in upstate New York, all while questioning whether he could really hang with the Harvard guys. And his advice on not overcomplicating things, drawing from his days as the least talented guy in a seven-person band at UAlbany, is something I think everyone can take to heart.This was an incredible conversation with someone who has seen it all in Albany's legal world and is still going strong. Rich's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-honenBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Patrick Hagen is a Regent University School of Law graduate and works as an Associate Attorney at Nelson Mullins Riley & Scarborough. This episode with Patrick Hagan is one that truly captures what it means to play the long game in the legal profession. Patrick takes us down his journey, from growing up with a lawyer father, to scanning documents in his dad's office and deciding law wasn't for him, to working at GEICO, where the spark was reignited, all the way through law school at Regent, clerkships at the state and federal level, and into private practice at Nelson Mullins.Patrick breaks down the two essential skill sets every lawyer needs: the practical lawyering skills and the people skills, and with over 41,000 followers on LinkedIn, he shares how he built an incredible platform around legal writing tips, lessons from the bench, and professional growth, further showing the power of putting yourself out there consistently.This was a fantastic conversation with a guy who truly embodies ownership, mentorship, and playing the long game. One you don't want to miss!Patrick's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hagenlawBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use codeLITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Cameron is a current student, a part of the California Law Office Study Program. Currently working as a Law Firm Administrator at Earl Carter Criminal Defense and Schank Family Law. This episode with Cameron Schank is one that is the epitome of the kind of stories I love to highlight on this podcast. The most unique journey I have encountered throughout all 153 episodes so far. Cameron is a part of the California Office Study Program, which allows him to take the bar without ever stepping into a Law School classroom. Cameron brings us down his journey, noting how he came to find this program, how it works, and how it has been thus far. And despite not being in Law School, Cameron has made incredible efforts on LinkedIn to still build his network and build relationships, despite never stepping into a law school classroom, which further shows the necessity of building a network within the field of Law. This episode was a fascinating listen for a new pathway into the law, which, before this episode, I had no idea about. And even better, it came from a fascinating man! Cameron's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameronschankBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Austen Lott is a Marquette University Law School and currently works as a Legal Recruiter at Flare and Marble Law. Austen's journey represents one we appreciate immensely on this podcast. A unique journey. Austen decided to go to Law School, by the seat of his pants, and decided in one moment he was going to take the LSAT and arrive at Law School. His journey showed off the hardships he endured throughout, including medical issues as a result of burnout, which he not only experienced once, but twice throughout his journey. Overcoming these moments made him stronger and showed him that these stories turned out to be the most relatable part of himself. Austen also shows through his story the power of skill stacking, and gaining a new skill at each job, and each turn in life. His attitude towards life is one that everyone can gain something from. Go out and take action, and figure the rest out later. This episode with Austen further proves the hypothesis I started the podcast about. There is no straight path in the legal field, only your Unique Journey to it. Austen's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/austenlott/Be sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Jess Sargus is a University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School graduate and currently works as the Founder, CEO, Speaker & Self Leadership coach at Legal Athelete and Author of her upcoming book, Fierce Agency: How to Be the Best Leader You've Ever Had. This episode with Jess navigates her journey through Law School and the Law. From picking Law School as an opportunity to combine her skills and interests, to representing MMA and boxing competitors, working at Marvel, and scaling a unicorn tech company, Jess's journey is a wild roller coaster of learning and taking opportunities to the fullest. And on top of this all, Jess is a trained and former competitive Mixed Martial Artist. Many of the learnings and wisdom throughout this episode take the mental aspects of MMA and bring them to the Legal world. Jess and I also spoke about what she does today, as the CEO, Founder, Speaker, and Self-Leadership coach at Legal Athlete. We covered her 5 pillars of Fierce Agency, a part of her upcoming book, Fierce Agency: How to Be the Best Leader You've Ever Had, which is available for Pre-Sale TODAY! (So I recommend you all get it below.) This episode with Jess was one of my favorite conversations I have ever had in this podcast's history, clinging to every word of wisdom and insight for dear life! Be sure to check out Jess and her upcoming book below! Jess's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jesssargusLegal Athlete: https://thelegalathlete.com/Firece Agency: How to Be the Best Leader You've Ever Had Pre-Sale: https://books.manuscripts.com/product/fierce-agency/#rewardsBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Conner is a Touro University Jacob D. Fuchsberg Law Center graduate and currently works as a Litigation and Enforcement Associate at Ropes & Gray. Conner's journey to Law School and the Law is a story of a desire to help others, make a bit more money, and get the experience to work in the greatest city in the world. In this episode, Conner and I discussed his reasons to go to Law School, growing up on Long Island (fellow Long Islanders), his unique experience as part of the part-time evening program, and his 1L experience. As well, Conner spoke about his day-to-day life as a Litigation associate in BigLaw, dispelling some BigLaw myths, and his exceptional experience thus far. All in all, Conner preaches the importance of having a schedule, staying organized, and executing at every step of the way! Conner's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conner-purcell-790193150Be sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - Empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike, with CICERO. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10, you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Daniel is a Western University Graduate, and currently works as the Founder and CEO of Lawbrokr. Daniel's journey represents another unique journey to the Law. Having never attended Law School, Daniel ventured into the world of legal technology at Clio, leading him to start his company, Lawbrokr, showing us all that no matter where we start, the opportunity to join the legal industry and be integral to it is always there. Daniel and I started years before he arrived in the Legal industry. He spoke about the various experiences leading up to his entry, speaking on how important sales is for anyone's career, transforming the way you engage with individuals and organizations. Sales for him created a lifelong skill set, learning how to speak with potential clients, and drastically improving soft skills. Daniel then spoke about his time at Clio, noting how important this introduction to the legal space was for his future, and how he began to learn the psychology of how lawyers and legal professionals think. Daniel would take these learnings and start Lawbrokr. Lawbrokr would require some pivots to get the product right, and didn't come without its hardships. Daniel said his competitiveness to succeed and make a product and platform that fit his clients' needs drove him to work through the tough times. This episode with Daniel further shows that no one's journey to the Law or Law School is a straight path. The winding roads and paths are all a part of the journey! Happy New Year!Daniel's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dsteinberg9Lawbrokr: https://www.lawbrokr.comBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - empowers your teaching and training with AI that strengthens learning, protects integrity, and proves authentic understanding, for students and professionals alike. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get yourself the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10 you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Nima is a Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law graduate and currently works as the Founder and CEO of JusticeArch. Nima's journey demonstrates that betting on yourself and succeeding in that bet can yield the greatest dividends throughout life. Nima and I started prior to Law School, where at UCLA, he would cold call his way into his first job, and explore his interests in policy and non-profit organizations. Law School was always on his mind, and during the intermission between college and law school, Nimma recommended the various pre-law school legal experiences he had and just how impactful they were. Then we moved to Nima's introduction to Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law, on a full scholarship. Going into his first year, Nima would face some health problems, making an already tough 1L year into a nightmare. But, despite it all, Nima persevered, a huge topic of importance for him. We then spoke about Nimma's various legal internships during Law School and his decision to open up JusticeArch in his 2L year. What makes the JusticeArch story so fascinating is that it was a completely different service at the beginning than it is today. After realizing what he sought in JusticeArch may not work, Nima would pivot into what it is today, a Legal Marketing infrastructure built by JDs, for JDs. Finally, Nima and I spoke about the biggest decision of all and why he did it, turning down an offer from Kirkland & Ellis, and going all in on himself and Justice Arch. Nima shows in this episode that the greatest bet one could make is the bet on themselves!Nimma's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nima-ostowariJusticeArch: https://justicearch.comBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - takes user briefs and motions and compares them against the text of opinions written by judges to identify ways to tailor their arguments to better persuade the judges handling their cases. Rhetoric's focus is on persuasion and helps users find new ways to improve their odds of success through more persuasive arguments. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get yourself the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10 you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Nick is a Loyola Law School Los Angeles graduate and currently works as the Chief Operating Officer at Matador Solutions. At an early age, Nick was surrounded by the Law every day of his life. While Law School was not his first option, this episode shows just how unique his journey truly was, and will be for future years!Nick and I spoke about his early life with his parents, and numerous other relatives being lawyers, he was always involved in the business of it all. Doing marketing, learning how to code, and generating new cases online for his parents throughout his childhood would have its full circle moment, leading him to become the Chief Operating Officer at Matador Solutions. Nick, following various experiences, would end up doing Law School in one of the many unique ways one can take, night school. Nick would talk about his law school experience, speaking about the different environment it brought, and being one of the youngest people in his class. Nick would present to us his 45/15/5 study system, which led him to tremendous success, along with how he navigated night school, all while further building Matador solutions. His greatest takeaway from Law School? Discipline! This episode shows that even when running a business, the Law School experience is still possible. Nick delivers with a plethora of Law School tips and tricks, as well as hiring strategies, that anyone can learn from! Nick's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickecohenMatador Solutions: https://www.matadorsolutions.netBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - takes user briefs and motions and compares them against the text of opinions written by judges to identify ways to tailor their arguments to better persuade the judges handling their cases. Rhetoric's focus is on persuasion and helps users find new ways to improve their odds of success through more persuasive arguments. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get yourself the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10 you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Josh and Stefan, both current 1Ls, break down how the skills necessary for success on the LSAT are the same skills necessary for success in law school.Read more on our website. Email daily@lsatdemon.com with questions or comments. Watch this episode on YouTube!
Will is a George Washington Law School Graduate and currently works as an Assistant Attorney General at the Fraud and Corruption Unit at the Maryland Office of the Attorney General. Will's journey exemplifies the unique journey, with 11 years in between his graduation from undergraduate, to finally arriving at Law School. Will and I started years before George Washington Law School, speaking on getting that real-world experience in different industries, before Law School. Will wanted to go to Law School and had family who were lawyers, but felt the expense was not quite worth it. Will would do work in water systems for some years, and then decide to head down to Austin for his most ambitious venture, opening up a food truck. Will spoke about his 2-year food truck experience and the chaos that ensued daily. Will notes the hard times of running a food truck, making Law School all the more easier. Will then spoke on his 1L year at the George Washington Law School, which he enjoyed thoroughly, and then Covid hit and fundamentally changed his Law School experience.Will talked about the various internships and clerkships he had, and what he learned from them, leading to today, where he works as an Assistant Attorney General. Finally, Will and I talked about his book, Law School Essentials: A Grad's Guide to What Matters Most. We would speak about doing what you're good at, having a direction and being specific, having detachment from bad grades, and embracing failure to continue to improve. This episode will further show that no matter the age, and no matter the timing, your Law School journey is solely defined by you and your goals! Be sure to check out Will's Book, Law School Essentials: A Grad's Guide to What Matters Most, below!Will's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamelmanLaw School Essentials: A Grad's Guide to What Matters Most: https://a.co/d/b9VVgLfBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - takes user briefs and motions and compares them against the text of opinions written by judges to identify ways to tailor their arguments to better persuade the judges handling their cases. Rhetoric's focus is on persuasion and helps users find new ways to improve their odds of success through more persuasive arguments. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 22-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get yourself the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10 you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
2025's test year is drawing to a close, and the October LSAT cements itself as a milestone on many fronts. Not only did it contain a unique combination of new and reused content, but it's also Dave Killoran's final LSAT (and possibly podcast) at PowerScore. Tune in as he and Jon break down the test, predict scoring scales, and bid a very fond—and hopefully temporary—farewell to the greatest this industry's ever seen.
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Jimmy is a University of Oklahoma School of Law graduate and currently works as the Chief Executive Officer at the Lai & Turner Law Firm. Jimmy's journey is filled with success, tough decisions, and overcoming massive challenges. Jimmy and I started before Law School, where, growing up in Taiwan, along with Japan, Germany, England, and the US, he saw his mom go through litigation at a young age, running a business, and wanted to do something to help. He decided becoming a lawyer was the best possible route. We spoke about Jimmy's reinterest back into going to Law School, how he got to the University of Oklahoma School of Law, and his first year experience. Following this, Jimmy spoke about his Law School legal experiences, making valuable relationships, albeit few, throughout Law School, and how in all of life, the ability to sell is a skill we all must learn and master! Jimmy leads us up to starting his firm, and what he does today at the Lai & Turner Law Firm. From getting acclimated to the learning curve of being a first-time business owner to scaling and reaching new goals. Finally, we spoke about Jimmy's newfound emergence in the LinkedIn game, gaining over 3.1 million post views in the last year, and starting his school community, Unforgettable Professionals. Jimmy's story is one you don't want to forget, and as his story is written with time, Jimmy is one to watch not only now, but in the coming years! Unforgettable Professionals Skool Community: https://www.skool.com/unforgettable-professionalsJimmy's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmylai-jdmbaLai and Turner Law Firm: http://laiturnerlaw.com/Be sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - takes user briefs and motions and compares them against the text of opinions written by judges to identify ways to tailor their arguments to better persuade the judges handling their cases. Rhetoric's focus is on persuasion and helps users find new ways to improve their odds of success through more persuasive arguments. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 21-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get yourself the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10 you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Jacob is a current 2L at The University of Toledo College of Law and currently works as a Law Clerk at Johnson and Associates. Jacob's journey is just getting underway, but his story is a testament to playing to one's strengths and leveraging the power of personal branding and social media. Jacob and I started before Law School at BYU, where Jacob had a wealth of pre-law legal experience. Jacob spoke extensively about his legal experiences before Law School, and how it was important not only for preparing for Law School, but being able to be 100% sure that Law School is the path for you. Jacob's motivations for Law School also included playing to his strengths and talents, more importantly, being able to identify those talents. Jacob then spoke about his first year of Law School, which he neither hated nor loved, but because his expectations were so high in terms of difficulty, it came easier than he thought. He also spoke about his transition into 2L year, the importance of a support system during Law School, and sorting out your priorities. Finally, Jacob spoke about his recent emergence as a major player on LinkedIn and why he started posting in the first place. He implores everyone, from undergraduates to 3Ls, to start posting on LinkedIn as soon as possible, speaking on their experience and the strategies that have led them to success. As our friend Spencer May says, “Lawyers are on LinkedIn, and you should too!”.Jacob's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacob-petersen-lawBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - takes user briefs and motions and compares them against the text of opinions written by judges to identify ways to tailor their arguments to better persuade the judges handling their cases. Rhetoric's focus is on persuasion and helps users find new ways to improve their odds of success through more persuasive arguments. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 21-year-old superstar, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110, you get yourself the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10 you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Kevin is a New York Law School graduate and currently works as an Intel Professor of Law at North Carolina Central School of Law. Kevin's journey is international, inspirational, and innovative in every way possible! From working as a lawyer in Japan to research into the intersection between the Law and AI, Kevin delivers on one of our longest episodes ever! Kevin and I started at New York Law School, at Colgate University, receiving both his bachelor's and master's, while also working for a newspaper, a job that would be a huge help for his future Law School experience. We then came to his introduction to New York Law School, in the middle of hating and loving the experience, but were able to make lifelong friends and take a deep dive into what the law had to offer. Kevin then spoke about his illustrious post-graduation experiences. First, working as a Law Clerk at the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Kevin would see the likes of future Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito and renowned Lawyer Leon Higginbotham. Following this, Kevin would take his talents to Tokyo, Japan. The learning curve would be tough, but Kevin speaks on his amazing experience, immersing himself in Japanese Law, and understanding and cultivating the unique professional culture they have. Kevin would go on to speak about his post-Japan adventures, which included earning his Master's in Religion and Religious Studies from the University of Chicago Divinity School, as well as his PhD in Social and Political Ethics from the University of Chicago. We then came leading up to today, where Kevin would work as a Law Professor at numerous schools, starting the Innovation Institute at Campbell University School of Law, as well as his current position as an Intel Professor of Law at North Carolina Central School of Law. This episode with Kevin is as wide-ranging as it gets, and we covered a ton. Be sure to check out all of Kevin's content, including his Substack, Ethics in an Algorithmic Age, below! Kevin's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/proflee/Ethics in an Algorithmic Age Be sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - takes user briefs and motions and compares them against the text of opinions written by judges to identify ways to tailor their arguments to better persuade the judges handling their cases. Rhetoric's focus is on persuasion and helps users find new ways to improve their odds of success through more persuasive arguments. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 21-year-old super-star, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110 you get yourself the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10 you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
September 2025's LSAT proved to be one for the record books, as the test makers chose to forego the usual routine of mixing old sections with new, and instead presented exclusively first-use material for the entire week. But fear not: Dave and Jon weathered the storm and managed to track it all, compiling the entire catalogue of content! In Episode 172 they outline everything on offer, noting what was real and experimental, and detailing the scoring scales for all the content combinations.
Andrew is a Harvard Law School graduate and currently works as the Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary at Panorama Education. Andrew's journey is one marked by innovation, self-discovery, and seizing opportunities when they arise. Andrew and I started before he entered Harvard Law School at Harvard University. After graduating from undergraduate, he would have a short stint in the consulting world, but decided Law School would be the next path. Motivated to stay near his friends and continue to get to play the cello, Andrew would enter the doors of Harvard Law School, a familiar, but at the same time, unfamiliar place to be. Andrew would speak about the various internships he held throughout Law School, from the Justice Department to litigation. Andrew was able to tease out important insights about what the future of his career would look like. Following Law School, Andrew would enter the world of BigLaw, landing himself a spot at one of the largest firms in the world, Latham & Watkins. Andrew would speak on this experience, and also how this would lead to his next job at Promontory Financial Group. Andrew would get the opportunity to build Promontory to the highest of heights. Andrew then spoke about his teaching career both in Law School and at Business school, noting how much he enjoys seeing his students grow over time, and beyond the classroom. Finally, we spoke about the amazing actions he is taking at where he works today, Panorama Education, helping schools around the country find ways to better serve every student body! This episode with Andrew is one of my favorites I have ever recorded, just for the pure fact that Andrew covers all the necessities you need to not only lead a successful legal career, but a life full of fulfillment! Andrew's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewtingBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - takes user briefs and motions and compares them against the text of opinions written by judges to identify ways to tailor their arguments to better persuade the judges handling their cases. Rhetoric's focus is on persuasion and helps users find new ways to improve their odds of success through more persuasive arguments. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 21-year-old super-star, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110 you get yourself the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10 you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Estelle is a University of Memphis School of Law graduate and is also the Founder of Estelle Winsett Professional Image Consulting. Estelle's journey is a fascinating one, and also one that resonated deeply with me. From litigation attorney, to lawyer headhunter, director of career services and professional development, to now, landing where her true passion lies, as a Professional Image Consultant. Estelle's journey is proof that there truly is no one straight path in anyone's journey. Estelle and I started leading up to her entrance into the University of Memphis School of Law. Coming from a family of lawyers, including her father, by the 5th grade, she knew she wanted to be a lawyer. Seeing her dad help people inspired her to want to do the same. We then spoke about her first year in Law School, which was a whole different experience and took time to adjust to. We continued through her Law School career, into her Legal career, where participating in Moot Court would drive her towards a career in litigation. Following Law School, Estelle would spend 6 years litigating before realizing that many unhappy lawyers around her, and wanting to get away, she became a Client Relations and placement director for Counsel on Call, a job that would lay the foundations for her future positions. Estelle then spoke about her experiences up to today, with a fantastic story about how she got the job as the dean of career services at her alma mater, Memphis, how she became the director of professional development at Butler Snow, and finally, what she does today as the founder of Estelle Winsett Professional Image Consulting. This episode shows the importance of crafting a story through how we look and how we feel, and the real science backing that fact! Estelle is an expert in all things style, professional development, and Personal Branding. Be sure to check out Estelle and her website below!Estelle's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/estellewinsettEstelle's Website: http://estellewinsett.com/Be sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - takes user briefs and motions and compares them against the text of opinions written by judges to identify ways to tailor their arguments to better persuade the judges handling their cases. Rhetoric's focus is on persuasion and helps users find new ways to improve their odds of success through more persuasive arguments. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 21-year-old super-star, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110 you get yourself the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10 you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Claudio is a UNIARP Bachelor of Laws Graduate and currently works as the Founder and Podcast Host of Studying Law Around the World. Claudio's journey is one of the few international guests we've had on the podcast, starting with Law School Brazil, to now Canada, with a trip working in Arizona! Claudio's viewpoint stands in a unique category of its own. We started at Law School, where Claudio's interest in his law-related college classes, as well as his focus on international studies, led him to the steps of Law School. While still a challenge, Claudio would excel in Law School, as well as create his well-known podcast, Studying Law Around the World. We spoke about what led him to create the podcast, and the impact it has had on now only on his life, but the lives of his listeners! We then moved through Claudios' various experiences leading up to today. Comparing and contrasting with the various places in the world he has worked, within the law. Claudio also spoke about his move to move to the University of Toronto Faculty of Law, and how he is on his way to becoming a lawyer in Toronto. Finally, Claudio spoke about the importance of personal branding, offered tips for Law School, and emphasized the necessity of finding mentors and their importance throughout one's career. This episode with Claudio is one of the most interesting to date, with a perspective like none other that has graced the podcast before! Be sure to check out Claudio's Podcast below, Studying Law Around the World. Studying Law Around the World: https://pod.link/1547616885Claudio's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/claudioklausBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - takes user briefs and motions and compares them against the text of opinions written by judges to identify ways to tailor their arguments to better persuade the judges handling their cases. Rhetoric's focus is on persuasion and helps users find new ways to improve their odds of success through more persuasive arguments. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 21-year-old super-star, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110 you get yourself the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10 you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
The August 2025 LSAT has finally concluded after four frenzied days of testing, and as always Jon and Dave are on the scene to cut through the noise and separate the facts from the fiction. In Episode 171 they provide a detailed breakdown of what was scored and what wasn't (including that mysterious pair of Reading Comp sections!), curve estimates for every test form given, and an assessment of their latest Crystal Ball predictions to see if they kept their winning streak alive!
Spencer is a former guest and current 3L at the University of Arizona James E. Rodgers College of Law. The Lawyers in the Making Podcast has finally returned, and there is no better way to start the return than a MasterClass episode with the man himself, Spencer May. With over 5.1 million impressions and 1.1 million people reached over the last year on LinkedIn, Spencer further proves what he tells everyone: Lawyers are on LinkedIn, and you should be too! Spencer spoke about the importance of your profile from the headline down to the recommendations. Spencer shows how important every part of your brand is. We also spoke about different archetypes you can have on LinkedIn, your audience, and the principles that the biggest players on LinkedIn follow, leading to massive success. Finally, we spoke about designing your algorithm, posting on LinkedIn, templates, timing, attachments, and so much more. Spencer preached the importance of using that Student Armor, as well as a special brainstorming segment at the end, to show just how easy and quick you can craft a banger LinkedIn post. If you're a Law Student, pre-law student, or even a seasoned Attorney, your path to LinkedIn posting glory should always start with Spencer May. Be sure to check out what this entire episode is based upon, Spencer's Free Law Student LinkedIn Guide, with already over 200 Law Students signed up here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdfwNLA03y7cdQwrAX7rGfU5wpuBjuN4LM-7axB3A-3xBZqXg/viewformBe sure to check out the Official Sponsors for the Lawyers in the Making Podcast:Rhetoric - takes user briefs and motions and compares them against the text of opinions written by judges to identify ways to tailor their arguments to better persuade the judges handling their cases. Rhetoric's focus is on persuasion and helps users find new ways to improve their odds of success through more persuasive arguments. Find them here: userhetoric.comThe Law School Operating System™ Recorded Course - This course is for ambitious law students who want a proven, simple system to learn every topic in their classes to excel in class and on exams. Go to www.lisablasser.com, check out the student tab with course offerings, and use code LSOSNATE10 at checkout for 10% off Lisa's recorded course!Start LSAT - Founded by former guest and 21-year-old super-star, Alden Spratt, Start LSAT was built upon breaking down barriers, allowing anyone access to high-quality LSAT Prep. For $110 you get yourself the Start LSAT self-paced course, and using code LITM10 you get 10% off the self-paced course! Check out Alden and Start LSAT at startlsat.com and use code LITM10 for 10% off the self-paced course!Lawyers in the Making Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Lawyers in the Making Podcast at lawyersinthemaking.substack.com/subscribe
Episode 170 contains the full June 2025 LSAT breakdown, both international and domestic, where Dave and Jon outline every scored and experimental section in use all week, an analysis of how their latest Crystal Ball predictions turned out, and the scoring scales for each test format seen. Don't miss this comprehensive review of one of the biggest tests of the year!
In Episode 169, Jon and Dave open up their student mailbag once again! This time they focus on admissions, tackling topics like what outcomes you can expect with a low GPA, how to make the most of a nontraditional or non-law background, the consequences of academic infractions, and even the process—and likelihood—of transferring to a new law school after your first year.
The 2025 US News law school rankings have been released, setting the “official” standard by which schools will be compared to one another for the upcoming admissions cycle. In Episode 168, Dave and Jon offer their take on this year's rankings, including the controversial metrics and weighting involved, the most prominent winners and losers as schools rise and fall, and—above all—exactly what these rankings mean to you as an applicant!
After three long, confusion-filled days, the April 2025 LSAT has mercifully ended, and as always Jon and Dave are on the scene to help explain one of the strangest tests in recent memory. Tune in to Episode 167 for a section-by-section analysis of what was scored and what was experimental, scale predictions for every test form combination and what they mean for your results, and, as always, the accuracy and applicability of their latest Crystal Ball predictions!