Out of Line with Caroline Lee

I’m not exactly sure how this happened so quickly, but here we are, at the one year anniversary of Out of Line. 52 weeks of conversation with some of the most honest + inspiring folks out there. For the last episode of the year, I decided to do something a little different.. I took a handheld recorder with me to my fourth Burning Man--which is an annual event in northwest Nevada. For one week, 70,000 people gather in one space to create a temporary city, including camps, and about 300 pieces of art. Burning Man is an experiment in community and art, influenced by ten main principles: "radical" inclusion, self-reliance, and self-expression, as well as community cooperation, civic responsibility, gifting, decommodification, participation, immediacy, and leaving no trace. One of my favorite parts about Out of Line has been the final question I ask each guest -- what do you have in common with every human on planet earth? What does humanity have in common? And so, I took my tiny recorder around Burning Man with me, and asked this same question to some of the people I encountered there. Before I play what I heard, I’ll add a ‘thank you’ for journeying through this year with me. Your DMs and emails and notes and iTunes reviews have carried me and kept me going. I do this for you, so that you feel empowered to ask anything, and, so that you have a reminder of the range of unseen battles each of us may be facing at any given time. Thank you for being here. I’m going to be taking a mini break now. I want to regroup, get some feedback from you, and come back for year 2 even better and stronger. Make sure you subscribe, and follow @outoflinepodcast on Instagram to find out when the feedback questionnaire is up, and, when the new season launches, too. I’ve already started recording the new episodes, and I can tell you, things are gonna get juicy. For now, Caroline signing off with the reminder to put it in your mouth, but don’t swallow... Links: Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Kristine Fredheim is a medium and spiritual coach, and is the owner and founder of her practice, Soul Life. She works closely with clients to achieve lasting inner peace, instill a sense of mindfulness, leading them to discover their purpose and self-worth. Kristine has a Master’s Degree in Neuro-Linguistic Programming, is the author of two books, and contributes to online journals like The Huffington Post. Kristine currently lives in Stavanger, Norway with her two little boys, so we hopped on Skype to record our chat on cosmetic surgery... rhinoplasty, breast augmentation, filler, and so much more. Links: Kristine Fredheim - Soul Life Kristine on Insta: @kristine.fredheim Kristine on Facebook: Kristine Fredheim Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing labiaplasty, rhinoplasty, breast augmentation, fillers and so much more, Caroline asks Kristine a series of questions about her social media practices. Kristine Fredheim is a medium and spiritual coach, and is the owner and founder of her practice, Soul Life. She works closely with clients to achieve lasting inner peace, instill a sense of mindfulness, leading them to discover their purpose and self-worth. Kristine has a Master’s Degree in Neuro-Linguistic Programming, is the author of two books, and contributes to online journals like The Huffington Post. Kristine currently lives in Stavanger, Norway with her two little boys, so we hopped on Skype to record our chat on cosmetic surgery. Links: Kristine Fredheim - Soul Life Kristine on Insta: @kristine.fredheim Kristine on Facebook: Kristine Fredheim Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Jessie McLaughlin is a southern native now living in Los Angeles. After growing up in North Carolina, and singing classically through college, Jessie married Rhett, and they had two boys. 7 years ago, Jessie and her family moved to LA for her husband's YouTube career, and she has a deep love for her new home town. Now, Jessie is in a new season of life after transitioning out of being a homeschooling mom, and is exploring her love of interior design on her blog and Instagram channel, A Nomad at Home. Jessie is a dear friend of mine, and was kind enough to allow me to record our chat on obsessive compulsive disorder, and on her experience with therapy. Links: Jessie McLaughlin Jessie on Insta: @anomadathome Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing OCD and therapy, Caroline asks Jessie a series of questions about her social media practice. -- Jessie McLaughlin is a southern native now living in Los Angeles. After growing up in North Carolina, and singing classically through college, Jessie married Rhett, and they had two boys. 7 years ago, Jessie and her family moved to LA for her husband's YouTube career, and she has a deep love for her new home town. Now, Jessie is in a new season of life after transitioning out of being a homeschooling mom, and is exploring her love of interior design on her blog and Instagram channel, A Nomad at Home. Jessie is a dear friend of mine, and was kind enough to allow me to record our chat on obsessive compulsive disorder, and on her experience with therapy. Links: Jessie McLaughlin Jessie on Insta: @anomadathome Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com  

Jamie Lee Finch is an intuitive healer, sex witch, poet and relationship guide between humans and their bodies. She believes our bodies have a language, and that that language is our mother tongue. Trauma, she says, in any form -- including toxic experiences with fundamentalist religious belief -- is responsible for breaking down our ability to communicate successfully with our bodies; and any sort of illness or imbalance, dysfunction or disease is our bodies’ frustrated attempts to connect with and communicate to us. The work that Jamie does is in reassociating people with their bodies, the language their body is speaking, and the voice their body is speaking with; it is deep reconciliation healing work on a mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical level. Jamie is based in Nashville, Tennessee, and her practice is fully booked until 2019. Clearly, there’s a demand for this type of reconnection with our bodies. I was stoked to chat with Jamie over Skype, where we discussed owning your sexuality, and a bit on purity culture, too. Links: Jamie Lee Finch Jamie on Insta: @jamieleefinch Jamie on Twitter: @jamieleefinch Jamie on Facebooke: Jamie Lee Finch Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing owning your sexuality and a bit on purity culture, too, Caroline asks Jamie Lee Finch a series of questions about her social media practices. Jamie Lee Finch is an intuitive healer, sex witch, poet and relationship guide between humans and their bodies. She believes our bodies have a language, and that that language is our mother tongue. Trauma, she says, in any form -- including toxic experiences with fundamentalist religious belief -- is responsible for breaking down our ability to communicate successfully with our bodies; and any sort of illness or imbalance, dysfunction or disease is our bodies’ frustrated attempts to connect with and communicate to us. The work that Jamie does is in reassociating people with their bodies, the language their body is speaking, and the voice their body is speaking with; it is deep reconciliation healing work on a mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical level. Jamie is based in Nashville, Tennessee, and her practice is fully booked until 2019. Clearly, there’s a demand for this type of reconnection with our bodies.  Links: Jamie Lee Finch Jamie on Insta: @jamieleefinch Jamie on Twitter: @jamieleefinch Jamie on Facebooke: Jamie Lee Finch Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

The topic of this week’s episode is on postpartum depression, and may be a sensitive discussion to listen to for some. Please consider this a soft ‘trigger warning’ and a request to be gentle with yourself in choosing the time and space you might choose to listen to it. After hearing about the personal experience of postpartum depression from our first guest, Amanda, we’re joined by Dr. Cassidy Freitas, who is a therapist that specialized in postnatal care, and has incredible resources for both mothers and fathers that experience postpartum depression, anxiety or OCD. Amanda Carter Gomes began her career in marketing, event management, production and PR. In July of 2017 Amanda launched her latest endeavor: The Fold, an online publication for  "women of an uncertain age and particular attitude", to fill the void in online content for women beyond the millennial age range. She and her husband, Matt, live with their two sons in Seattle, Washington. Dr. Cassidy Freitas is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist practicing in San Diego, California. She provides individual, couples, and family therapy to support the treatment of relational issues, anxiety, depression, illness, grief, and loss. Cassidy is also the host of her podcast, Holding Space, which is a wellness podcast, exploring mental health, relationships, creativity + education. She is also a wife and mother.    Postpartum Support Resources: Postpartum Support International Perinatal Mental Health Alliance for Women of Color Postpartum Health Alliance Erica Chidi Cohen Loom Kin [support classes in Los Angeles for LGBTQIA+ people trying to conceive or plan for a family] Cassidy Freitas, Ph.D., LMFT   Links: Amanda Carter Gomes' online publication, the Fold Amanda on Insta: @amandacartergomes The Fold on Insta: @the_fold_mag Cassidy Freitas, Ph.D., LMFT Cassidy on Insta: @drcassidy Dr. Cassidy's podcast: Holding Space Holding Space on Insta: @holdingspacepodcast Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing postpartum depression with Amanda Carter Gomes, Caroline asks Amanda a series of questions about her social media practice -- and how social media relates to being a mother. Amanda Carter Gomes began her career in marketing, event management, production and PR. In July of 2017 Amanda launched her latest endeavor: The Fold, an online publication for  "women of an uncertain age and particular attitude", to fill the void in online content for women beyond the millennial age range. She and her husband, Matt, live with their two sons in Seattle, Washington. Links: Amanda Carter Gomes' online publication, the Fold Amanda on Insta: @amandacartergomes The Fold on Insta: @the_fold_mag Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Alua Arthur is the founder of Going with Grace. She is a death doula, life lover and end of life planner. She's a former attorney, jewelry addict, bike enthusiast, and a developing nation aficionado. Alua is an adjunct professor at the University of Philosophical Research, and is also creating a training program for death doulas and end of life planners. This is the first episode of this podcast where the guests discusses something they are known for, but since talking about death is so 'out of line', we hope you'll enjoy it just the same. -- Links: Alua mentions Grief Therapist, Claire Bidwell Smith Going With Grace Alua on Facebook: Going With Grace Alua on Insta: @going_with_grace Alua's blog + videos: Going With Grace Blog Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: After discussing death and dying, Caroline asks Alua Arhur a series of questions about her social media practices -- and, specifically how social media and death are related. Alua Arthur is the founder of Going with Grace. She is a death doula, life lover and end of life planner. She's a former attorney, jewelry addict, bike enthusiast, and a developing nation aficionado. Alua is an adjunct professor at the University of Philosophical Research, and is also creating a training program for death doulas and end of life planners. -- Links: Going With Grace Alua on Facebook: Going With Grace Alua on Insta: @going_with_grace Alua's blog + videos: Going With Grace Blog Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Lisa Gungor is a singer/songwriter from the band ‘Gungor’, which is made up of she and her husband, Michael. She’s the mother of Amelie and Lucie, two beautiful daughters, and she just released her first book entitled the Most Beautiful Thing I’ve Seen. Lisa lives in Los Angeles, so I went over to her recording studio where we chatted about nudity… and we even got naked in the process. --  Links: Lisa Gungor Lisa's new book: The Most Beautiful Thing I've Seen Lisa on Insta: @lisagungor Lisa on Twitter: @lisagungor Gungor music  Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: After discussing nudity and bodies, Caroline asks Lisa a series of questions about her social media practices. -- Lisa Gungor is a singer/songwriter from the band ‘Gungor’, which is made up of she and her husband, Michael. She’s the mother of Amelie and Lucie, two beautiful daughters, and she just released her first book entitled the Most Beautiful Thing I’ve Seen. Lisa lives in Los Angeles, so I went over to her recording studio. Links: Lisa Gungor Lisa's new book: The Most Beautiful Thing I've Seen Lisa on Insta: @lisagungor Lisa on Twitter: @lisagungor Gungor music  Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Hilton Carter is a filmmaker based in Baltimore, Maryland, who also happens to have over 170 house plants. His Instagram feed is the epitome of green, and has become quite the hub for plantlovers everywhere. Hilton and his wife, Fiona, are newlyweds, and so Hilton and I hopped on a Skype call to record our chat about finding love, and the timing of it all. Links: Hilton Carter Hilton on Insta: @hiltoncarter Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com  

Part two: after discussing the timing of love, Caroline asks Hilton a series of questions about his social media practice. Hilton Carter is a filmmaker based in Baltimore, Maryland, who also happens to have over 170 house plants. His Instagram feed is the epitome of green, and has become quite the hub for plantlovers everywhere. Links: Hilton Carter Hilton on Insta: @hiltoncarter Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

  Shavonda Gardner is a blogger and interior designer who lives with her wife and children in Sacramento, California. Her blog, SG Style, is all about small-space living and BoHo vibes. Her design philosophy? Just because you live small doesn’t mean you can’t have big style! Shavonda believes great design is achieved when we let go of the rules, and shift our focus to creating spaces that make us feel amazing… This was the first time I'd ever gotten to chat with Shavonda, and we recorded over Skype while we talked about her time in the Military (the Air Force), and important thoughts on Veterans, too. Links: SG Style Shavonda on Insta: @sgardnerstyle Shavonda on Facebook: SG Style Shavonda on Twitter: @S_GStyle Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing the Military, Caroline asks Shavonda a series of questions about her social media practice, and evolution in the world of interior design. -- Shavonda Gardner is a blogger and interior designer who lives with her wife and children in Sacramento, California. Her blog, SG Style, is all about small-space living and BoHo vibes. Her design philosophy? Just because you live small doesn’t mean you can’t have big style! Shavonda believes great design is achieved when we let go of the rules, and shift our focus to creating spaces that make us feel amazing…  Links: SG Style Shavonda on Insta: @sgardnerstyle Shavonda on Facebook: SG Style Shavonda on Twitter: @S_GStyle Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Michael Newsted is a photographer based in Los Angeles. After growing up in Michigan, and spending 5 years touring around with the band the Soil and the Sun, Michael moved to LA 3 years ago, which is when he met Taylor, and they've been together for 2 years. Taylor, AKA Siggy, is a writer and authored the new book, What Does a Cat Mean? Michael + Taylor came to my place to record our chat on acceptance, and Taylor even shared one of the stories from his book! Article mentioned: I Detransitioned. But Not Because I Wasn't Trans. by Robyn Kanner in the Atlantic. Links: Michael Newsted Michael on Insta: @michaelnewsted Taylor AKA Siggy Taylor on Insta: @theothersiggy Taylor's book: WHAT DOES A CAT MEAN: A SMALL BOOK OF SMALL STORIES Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: After discussing acceptance with Michael Newsted and Taylor AKA Siggy, Caroline asks them a series of questions about their social media practices. -- Michael Newsted is a photographer based in Los Angeles. After growing up in Michigan, and spending 5 years touring around with the band the Soil and the Sun, Michael moved to LA 3 years ago, which is when he met Taylor. Taylor, AKA Siggy, is a writer and authored the new book, What Does a Cat Mean?  Links: Michael Newsted Michael on Insta: @michaelnewsted Taylor AKA Siggy Taylor on Insta: @theothersiggy Taylor's book: WHAT DOES A CAT MEAN: A SMALL BOOK OF SMALL STORIES Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Danae Horst is an LA-based photographer, prop stylist, and founder of Folia Collective, which is a plant store in Pasadena, and, an online plant tutorial space. In her not-so-distant-past, she served as the Editorial Director for Justina Blakeney’s design blog The Jungalow, and still writes the plant care column, Plant-o-Pedia on a regular basis. Danae and her husband, Bill, live in Pasadena, California, so Danae came over to my place for our chat on chronic illness and fibromyalgia. Links: Danae Horst Folia Collective Danae on Insta: @danaeolynhorst Folia Collective on Insta: @foliacollective Folia Collective on Facebook: Folia Collective Danae's column on the Jungalow: Plant-o-Pedia Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing fibromyalgia and chronic pain, Caroline asks Danae Horst a series of questions about her social media practice. -- Danae Horst is an LA-based photographer, prop stylist, and founder of Folia Collective, which is a plant store in Pasadena, and, an online plant tutorial space. In her not-so-distant-past, she served as the Editorial Director for Justina Blakeney’s design blog The Jungalow, and still writes the plant care column, Plant-o-Pedia on a regular basis. Danae and her husband, Bill, live in Pasadena, California, so Danae came over to my place for our chat on chronic illness and fibromyalgia. Links: Danae Horst Folia Collective Danae on Insta: @danaeolynhorst Folia Collective on Insta: @foliacollective Folia Collective on Facebook: Folia Collective Danae's column on the Jungalow: Plant-o-Pedia Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Jayden Lee is a photographer and composer based in Los Angeles. After spending the first 26 years of his life in Melbourne, Australia, Jayden moved to the States, and accomplished the status of dual citizen. He then co-founded 5 businesses — Woodnote Photography, Echo and Earl, Coco Carpets, Light Lab and C’mon Team. NOTE:  He may never sleep. Besides all of this, Jayden happens to be the sound engineer of Out of Line, and, my husband of 13 years. Jayden sat down with me at our very own dining room table to record our chat… Links: Jayden on Insta: @jaydesypants  

Part two: after discussing marriage, conspiracy theories and cryptozoology, Caroline asks Jayden a bit about his social media presence. Jayden has a unique take, as he is someone who creates content for and with 'influencers' and yet, he doesn't spend time on social media himself. Hear his 'behind the scenes' look at life surrounded by people known on social media, and, what it's like to live with someone who is so 'online' when he is so 'offline'. -- Jayden Lee is a photographer and composer based in Los Angeles. After spending the first 26 years of his life in Melbourne, Australia, Jayden moved to the States, and accomplished the status of dual citizen. He then co-founded 5 businesses — Woodnote Photography, Echo and Earl, Coco Carpets, Light Lab and C’mon Team. NOTE:  He may never sleep. Besides all of this, Jayden happens to be the sound engineer of Out of Line, and, my husband of 13 years. Jayden sat down with me at our very own dining room table to record our chat… Links: Jayden in Insta: @jaydesypants Woodnote Photography Echo and Earl Coco Carpets Light Lab C'mon, Team!

This is the first 'special' episode of Out of Line, where we explore what it feels like to be an American right now. The current political climate has created a great source of anxiety for many -- for others, there is intense grief experienced personally each time there is another mass shooting or drastic and inhumane immigration measure taken by the government. The angst is high, and yet, so are the levels of activism. More Americans are registering to vote, and choosing to use their voices to speak up about issues that matter to them. So how do we process our own emotions and experience in a way that will make us more effective citizens? How do we ensure that we are responding from a grounded place, and not just reacting and resisting. Afterall, as the saying goes, What you resist persists. This episode is a wild experiment in exploring these very questions. I, (Caroline) only got the idea to create this episode on Tuesday of this week, and created a call to action on my @teamwoodnote Instagram story, inviting guests to call in and record their own experiences. In a short 2 hour window, so many people called in that I could only be more sure that this conversation needed to happen. What you'll hear: first, some of your own voices. If you called in and answered one of the questions, (What does it feel like to be an American right now? What are your self care practices like to support you in coping? And, what role does social media play in your activism and/or mental health?) THANK YOU. I felt your anger, your embarrassment, your sadness. I also felt your trust in me -- allowing me to piece together this collective experience. Thank you. Next, I talk with two professionals who share their own takes on what is happening in the world, and, strategies on supporting yourself with health first. Some of my doctor friends have told me that 50-70% of their patients have mentioned an increase in anxiety and depression over the past 18 months, and so this needs to be talked about. Whatever your experience, and whether you have felt like you could share it with others or not, you are not alone. x Guests: Anna Kunnecke is a life coach that works to empower soulful women in finding their strength. Her business,  Declare Dominion, is based in Calgary, Alberta, Canada where she lives with her husband and their 5 kids. Anna was generous enough to hop on a Skype call with me and chat about strategies to process what’s going on in America and in our bodies, so that we can be more effective activists. Dr. Brittany Busse, is an occupational medicine specialist, and the Medical Director of Telehealth for Kura MD, Inc. She was willing to share her perspective on what is happening in America on a deeper neurological level. Resources: Boundaries [with Anna of Declare Dominion] Americans of Conscience Checklist [with Jennifer Hofmann] the Goodnewsletter [from Good Good Good]

Part two: after discussing eating disorders, mental health + anxiety with Anne Sage, Caroline asks a series of questions about Anne's social media practices. Anne Sage is an author, stylist and OG blogger under the alias ‘CitySage’.. She went to Stanford, worked as a consumer strategist in Manhattan, co-founded an online magazine in San Francisco, and wrote her first book, ‘Sage Living’ in LA. Anne and her husband, Ivan, live in LA with their two cats and two dogs. Anne also happens to be my business partner at our studio space, Light Lab, and is one of my dearest friends. She came over to my place where we recorded our chat. Links: Anne Sage Anne on Insta: @citysage Anne on Twitter: @citysage Anne on Pinterest: CitySage Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Anne Sage is an author, stylist and OG blogger under the alias ‘CitySage’.. She went to Stanford, worked as a consumer strategist in Manhattan, co-founded an online magazine in San Francisco, and wrote her first book, ‘Sage Living’ in LA. Anne and her husband, Ivan, live in LA with their two cats and two dogs. Anne also happens to be my business partner at our studio space, Light Lab, and is one of my dearest friends. She came over to my place where we recorded our chat on eating disorders [bulimia], anxiety, mental health, and so much more. Trigger warning: This conversation is not an easy one to have or listen to, but Anne’s courage to share her experience and her truth are especially important right now as we take a much-needed look at mental health, learning how to speak about our own needs, and learn how to support each other. Whatever your own personal truth, our hope is that this discussion will remind you that no matter how perfect and pretty an Instagram feed may look, we’re all fighting our own battles. One day at a time, may we truly unravel the aloneness that social media can amplify, and remember that we are all in this together. Links: Anne Sage Anne on Insta: @citysage Anne on Twitter: @citysage Anne on Pinterest: CitySage Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com  

Part two: after discussing southern patriarchy, bodies, sex and so much more.. Caroline asks Jenny + Science Mike a series of questions about their social media practices. -- Jenny McHargue is the talented and hilarious heart and backbone of her household, as well as being a devoted wife and mother. Mike McHargue (better known as Science Mike) is an author, podcaster, and speaker who travels the world helping people understand the science of life's most profound experiences. He is known most for his work on the Liturgists podcast, as well as his own podcast, Ask Science Mike. Jenny + Mike have been together for 20 years. They grew up in Tallahassee, Florida, and moved to Los Angeles just last year with their two daughters, Madison + Macey. They came over to my place to record our chat on southern patriarchy, bodies, sex and so much more. Links: Jenny on Insta: @honeybadgerinla Mike McHargue Mike's podcasts: the Liturgists, Ask Science Mike Mike on Twitter: @mikemchargue Mike on Insta: @mikemchargue Mike's book: Finding God in the Waves Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Jenny McHargue is the talented and hilarious heart and backbone of her household, as well as being a devoted wife and mother. Mike McHargue (better known as Science Mike) is an author, podcaster, and speaker who travels the world helping people understand the science of life's most profound experiences. He is known most for his work on the Liturgists podcast, as well as his own podcast, Ask Science Mike. Jenny + Mike have been together for 20 years. They grew up in Tallahassee, Florida, and moved to Los Angeles just last year with their two daughters, Madison + Macey. They came over to my place to record our chat on southern patriarchy, bodies, sex and so much more. Links: Jenny on Insta: @honeybadgerinla Mike McHargue Mike's podcasts: the Liturgists, Ask Science Mike Mike on Twitter: @mikemchargue Mike on Insta: @mikemchargue Mike's book: Finding God in the Waves Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two of Amy’s interview is a look behind the curtain of social media.. An honest take on mental health, self esteem and human value from someone in the ‘air quotes’ “influencer” realm, when Amy herself is not considered an ‘influencer’. It’s a new path for Out of Line, and I hope you’ll stick around to listen to what Amy has to say. Amy Virginia Buchanan is a singer/songwriter, avant garde theatre artist and co-founder of Spring Street Social Society. Her style is influenced by a midwestern upbringing, spanning most of the middle of the country, as well as intensive training in classic theatre and clown arts. Amy combines her expertise in the arts with her experience in hospitality to curate events, often in partnership with brands as experiential marketing. She lives in New York City with a little cat named Whenny, but was in LA for work and came to my place to record our chat on witchcraft. Links: Amy Virginia Buchanan Amy on Insta: @amyvirginia Spring Street Social Society Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com  

Amy Virginia Buchanan is a singer/songwriter, avant garde theatre artist and co-founder of Spring Street Social Society. Her style is influenced by a midwestern upbringing, spanning most of the middle of the country, as well as intensive training in classic theatre and clown arts. Amy combines her expertise in the arts with her experience in hospitality to curate events, often in partnership with brands as experiential marketing. She lives in New York City with a little cat named Whenny, but was in LA for work and came to my place to record our chat on witchcraft. Note: After the latest ‘listener survey’ that many of you filled out, I (Caroline) realized that you don’t just want to hear from "influencers", you just want to hear from open, honest + interesting people.. So today’s guest is all about that! I’m so excited to continue evolving with you and creating the conversations that will intrigue us most. Make sure to listen to part two, to hear Amy's take on what it's like to live + work with "influencers", while not being one yourself. Links: Amy Virginia Buchanan Amy on Insta: @amyvirginia Spring Street Social Society Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com  

Part two: after discussing dating apps, horoscopes and body image, Caroline asks Fran a series of questions about his social media practice.   --   Fran Tirado is a writer, editor, speaker, consultant, content-creator, and community-maker for all things queer. He is the Executive Editor of Hello Mr, co-host of the Food 4 Thot podcast, and co-creator of Communion, a not-for-profit queer-only dinner gathering and artist collective. Fran lives in NYC, but is in LA to train for the AIDS/LifeCycle and so came to my place in LA.   The ride Fran is training for the AIDS/LifeCycle is a 545-mile bike race to raise awareness and funding for the AIDS/HIV crisis. 100% of your tax-free $$$ will go to the San Francisco AIDS foundation and the Los Angeles LGBT Center, so hit this link to support our Fran.   Links:   Fran   Fran on Insta: @fransquishco   Fran on Twitter: @fransquishco   Fran on Facebook: Fran Tirado   Hello Mr. Mag   Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com  

Fran Tirado is a writer, editor, speaker, consultant, content-creator, and community-maker for all things queer. He is the Executive Editor of Hello Mr, co-host of the Food 4 Thot podcast, and co-creator of Communion, a not-for-profit queer-only dinner gathering and artist collective. Fran lives in NYC, but is in LA to train for the AIDS/LifeCycle and so came to my place in LA, where we chatted about dating apps, hososcopes, body image, and so much more culllllllture.   The ride Fran is training for the AIDS/LifeCycle is a 545-mile bike race to raise awareness and funding for the AIDS/HIV crisis. 100% of your tax-free $$$ will go to the San Francisco AIDS foundation and the Los Angeles LGBT Center, so hit this link to support our Fran.   Links:   Fran   Fran on Insta: @fransquishco   Fran on Twitter: @fransquishco   Fran on Facebook: Fran Tirado     Hello Mr. Mag   Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com    

Part two: after chatting with Karen Doolittle about money, and how to know what you're worth, Caroline asks Karen a series of questions about her social media practices--and, about what social media strategists look for when they're hiring 'influencers'. Karen Doolittle is a Los Angeles based photographer. After a feature on the Instagram blog a few years ago placed her in the spotlight and resulted in a greater social media following, Karen found that pairing her love of photography and social media by getting a job with an advertising agency was her ultimate dream. She now works as a social media strategist for Davis Elen in LA, and came over to my place where we chatted about money and how to know what you’re worth. Links: Karen Doolittle Karen on Insta: @karendoolittle Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Karen Doolittle is a Los Angeles based photographer. After a feature on the Instagram blog a few years ago placed her in the spotlight and resulted in a greater social media following, Karen found that pairing her love of photography and social media by getting a job with an advertising agency was her ultimate dream. She now works as a social media strategist for Davis Elen in LA, and came over to my place where we chatted about money and how to know what you’re worth. Links: Karen Doolittle Karen on Insta: @karendoolittle Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing pregnancy and motherhood with Lauren + Molly, Caroline asks the Kind Campaign founders about their relationships with social media. Lauren Paul and Molly Thompson are the founders of Kind Campaign, a nonprofit that brings awareness and healing to the negative and lasting effect of girl-against-girl bullying through their global movement. Lauren and Molly created a documentary film called ‘Finding Kind’, and they also tour around the US and UK holding in-school assemblies and creating educational curriculums for anti-bullying.  Links: Kind Campaign Kind Campaign on Insta: @kindcampaign Kind Campaign on Facebook: Kind Campaign Kind Campaign on Twitter: @kindcampaign Lauren Paul on Insta: @laurenpaul8 Molly Thompson on Insta: @mollymaethomps Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Lauren Paul and Molly Thompson are the founders of Kind Campaign, a nonprofit that brings awareness and healing to the negative and lasting effect of girl-against-girl bullying through their global movement. Lauren and Molly created a documentary film called ‘Finding Kind’, and they also tour around the US and UK holding in-school assemblies and creating educational curriculums for anti-bullying. Besides all of this, Lauren and Molly are both mothers, and so they came over to my place to talk about pregnancy… the gory and the glory of it all... Links: Kind Campaign Kind Campaign on Insta: @kindcampaign Kind Campaign on Facebook: Kind Campaign Kind Campaign on Twitter: @kindcampaign Lauren Paul on Insta: @laurenpaul8 Molly Thompson on Insta: @mollymaethomps Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com  

Part two: after discussing modern masculinity with Igee Okafor, Caroline asks a series of questions about Igee's social media practices. Igee Okafor is the editor and founder of www.igeeokafor.com, a lifestyle blog about menswear and culture. Igee was born and raised in Nigeria, and moved to Virginia as a teenager. In 2013, he relocated to New York City to study business and marketing at St. John’s University, and still calls NYC his home. Links: Igee Okafor Igee on Insta: @igeeokafor Igee on Twitter: @igeeokafor Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Igee Okafor is the editor and founder of www.igeeokafor.com, a lifestyle blog about menswear and culture. Igee was born and raised in Nigeria, and moved to Virginia as a teenager. In 2013, he relocated to New York City to study business and marketing at St. John’s University, and still calls NYC his home. We hopped on a Skype call to chat about modern masculinity. Note: we talk about Tom Ford and his films 'A Single Man' and 'Nocturnal Animals' Links: Igee Okafor Igee on Insta: @igeeokafor Igee on Twitter: @igeeokafor Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part Two: after discussing what it was like to grow up with strict immigrant parents, Caroline asks Rachel a series of questions about her social media history and practice. Rachel Nguyen is a fashion blogger and YouTube'r, also known on social media as That's Chic. While growing up in Orange County, California with strict immigrant parents, Rachel quickly learned that the internet was a space she could cultivate community and express herself creatively, and she was quite the early adopter with social media before it was even known by that name. (Anyone remember NeoPets?) She was also a blogger before that was a title, and has created an entire career from her passion and love for fashion. Links: Rache's blog: That's Chic Rachel on Insta: @thatschic Rachel on YouTube: That's Chic: Rachel Nguyen Rachel on Facebook: That's Chic Blog Rachel on Twitter: @thatschic Rachel on Pinterest: Rachel Nguyen Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Rachel Nguyen is a fashion blogger and YouTube'r, also known on social media as That's Chic. While growing up in Orange County, California with strict immigrant parents, Rachel quickly learned that the internet was a space she could cultivate community and express herself creatively, and she was quite the early adopter with social media before it was even known by that name. (Anyone remember NeoPets?) She was also a blogger before that was a title, and has created an entire career from her passion and love for fashion. Rachel and Caroline chat about what it was like to grow up with immigrant parents, and also mention Hasan Minhaj's standup on having immigrant parents. Links: Rache's blog: That's Chic Rachel on Insta: @thatschic Rachel on YouTube: That's Chic: Rachel Nguyen Rachel on Facebook: That's Chic Blog Rachel on Twitter: @thatschic Rachel on Pinterest: Rachel Nguyen Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing the process of deconstructing faith + sexuality, Caroline asks Frances a series of questions about her social media practice. Frances Cannon is a multidisciplinary artist in Melbourne, Australia, working predominantly in drawing and painting in ink, gouache and watercolour. Frances' work examines what it is like to be a woman in contemporary times; looking at ideas of body-love and body-loathing, anxiety, relationships, sex and sexuality, gender, and bodily functions. Listen to this discussion to hear our discussion on Frances' experience growing up in Thailand, deconstructing faith + sexuality in adulthood, and more. Links: Frances Cannon Frances on Insta: @frances_cannon Frances on Facebook: Frances Cannon Artist Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Frances Cannon is a multidisciplinary artist in Melbourne, Australia, working predominantly in drawing and painting in ink, gouache and watercolour. Frances' work examines what it is like to be a woman in contemporary times; looking at ideas of body-love and body-loathing, anxiety, relationships, sex and sexuality, gender, and bodily functions. Listen to this discussion to hear our discussion on Frances' experience growing up in Thailand, deconstructing faith + sexuality in adulthood, and more. Links: Frances Cannon Frances on Insta: @frances_cannon Frances on Facebook: Frances Cannon Artist Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part Two: after discussing refugees and social media users and their responsibility to use it wisely, Caroline asks Lucy a series of questions about her social media practice. Lucy Feagins is the founder and editor of the Design Files, Australia’s most popular design blog. Lucy started the Design Files over 10 years ago, and has evolved from online content into curated pop ups and a gallery space in Melbourne. Lucy and her husband and daughter live in Melbourne, and I went to her studio to record our chat on refugees, and using social media as a space to speak about what is truly important. Links: The Design Files Lucy on Insta: @thedesignfiles Lucy on Twitter: @thedesignfiles Lucy on Facebook: the Design Files Lucy's Podcast: The Design Files Talks Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Out of Line is taking a jaunt down to Australia for the next few weeks, where we’ll be recording with guests in the southern hemisphere. First up, is Lucy Feagins, the founder and editor of the Design Files, Australia’s most popular design blog. Lucy started the Design Files over 10 years ago, and has evolved from online content into curated pop ups and a gallery space in Melbourne. Lucy and her husband and daughter live in Melbourne, and I went to her studio to record our chat on refugees, and using social media as a space to speak about what is truly important. Links: The Design Files Lucy on Insta: @thedesignfiles Lucy on Twitter: @thedesignfiles Lucy on Facebook: the Design Files Lucy's Podcast: The Design Files Talks Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing Quantified Self and the role of data in our lives, Caroline asks Branden a series of questions about his social media practices. Fun fact: Branden met his wife on social media! Branden Harvey is a storyteller focused on the good in the world. He's the host of the podcast Sounds Good, the creator of the Goodnewspaper, a printed newspaper that reports only good news, and built an online community over more than 250,000 world changers. He's also a photographer, and has helped brands like Disney, Square, Southwest Airlines, and (RED) tell meaningful stories with heart all over the world. Branden and his wife, Sami, live in Nashville, Tennessee with their pooch named Poptart. We recorded our discussion on Quantified Self over Skype. LINKS: Branden Harvey Branden on Insta: @brandenharvey Branden on Facebook: Branden Harvey Branden on Twitter: @brandenharvey Branden's Podcast: Sounds Good Goodnewspaper Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Branden Harvey is a storyteller focused on the good in the world. He's the host of the podcast Sounds Good, the creator of the Goodnewspaper, a printed newspaper that reports only good news, and built an online community over more than 250,000 world changers. He's also a photographer, and has helped brands like Disney, Square, Southwest Airlines, and (RED) tell meaningful stories with heart all over the world. Branden and his wife, Sami, live in Nashville, Tennessee with their pooch named Poptart. We recorded our discussion on Quantified Self over Skype. LINKS: Branden Harvey Branden on Insta: @brandenharvey Branden on Facebook: Branden Harvey Branden on Twitter: @brandenharvey Branden's Podcast: Sounds Good Goodnewspaper Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing building a business while being a stay-at-home mom, Caroline asks Elsie a series of questions about her social media practice. Elsie Goodwin is the artist behind Reform Fibers, a fiber art macrame and weaving company based in Southern California. Elsie is also a wife and mother of two girls, and so after working in the fashion industry for 15 years, Elsie journeyed through the transition of being a stay-at-home mom, into being a mother with her own business. Elsie came to my home in LA, where we chatted about what it was like to re-find herself in a new season of life as a working stay at home mother. Links: Reform Fibers Elsie on Insta: @reformfibers Elsie on Facebook: Reform Fibers Elsie on YouTube: Reform Fibers Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Elsie Goodwin is the artist behind Reform Fibers, a fiber art macrame and weaving company based in Southern California. Elsie is also a wife and mother of two girls, and so after working in the fashion industry for 15 years, Elsie journeyed through the transition of being a stay-at-home mom, into being a mother with her own business. Elsie came to my home in LA, where we chatted about what it was like to re-find herself in a new season of life as a working stay at home mother. Links: Reform Fibers Elsie on Insta: @reformfibers Elsie on Facebook: Reform Fibers Elsie on YouTube: Reform Fibers Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing what it is like to split life between Copenhagen and Los Angeles, Caroline asks Allan a series of questions about his social media practice.  Allan Torp is a Danish lifestyle author and interiors blogger, who splits his time between Copenhagen and Los Angeles. Allan’s background is in fashion and PR, but his following grew quite quickly when he launched his Scandanavian interiors blog, Bungalow 5, back in 2010. I happened to catch Allan on one of his windows in LA, so he came over to my place, where we recorded our chat on masculinity, and on the many layers of living life over two very different continents. LINKS: Bungalow5 Allan on Insta: @bungalow5dk Allan on Facebook: Bungalow5 Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Allan Torp is a Danish lifestyle author and interiors blogger, who splits his time between Copenhagen and Los Angeles. Allan’s background is in fashion and PR, but his following grew quite quickly when he launched his Scandanavian interiors blog, Bungalow 5, back in 2010. I happened to catch Allan on one of his windows in LA, so he came over to my place, where we recorded our chat on masculinity, and on the many layers of living life over two very different continents. LINKS: Bungalow5 Allan on Insta: @bungalow5dk Allan on Facebook: Bungalow5 Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part 2: after discussing open relationships, Caroline asks Frosti + Dina a series of questions about their social media practices. Frosti Fresh and Dina Epstein are a bi-costal married couple, splitting their time between LA and New York City -- but they’re so much more. Frosti has been known in the parkour realm and was the first sponsored American freerunning athlete. He was also the youngest contestant ever on Survivor: China, and is the founder of the freerunning and parkour training company, Tempest. Dina is the co-founder of Clark and Madison leathergoods, and is currently pouring herself into her new company, Maude, which launches next month, and provides non-gendered products that simplify and empower sex. The three of us chatted via Skype to record this discussion on open relationships. Links: Frosti Fresh Dina Epstein Clark + Madison Tempest Maude Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com