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After the Breach Podcast
Episode 26 - Latest Whale Sightings & Silver Bank Trip Report

After the Breach Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 29, 2024 54:15


Episode 26 of After the Breach Podcast finds co-hosts, Jeff and Sara, reunited after Jeff's trip to the Silver Bank to swim with humpback whales at the largest breeding ground in the world for North Atlantic humpback whales. Jeff shares some of the amazing highlights from his time there, including swimming with a singer and spending time viewing a particularly energetic rowdy group. Jeff and Sara will be hosting a trip to the Silver Bank next year and one spot has opened up so be sure to get in touch if you're interested in going! Next, the two dive into recent sightings in the Salish Sea. There have been a lot of whales around recently and the duo talk about some of the families that have been around. They then share the sad news of the death of T109A3 who stranded and drowned near Zeballos on the west coast of Vancouver Island. Bay Cetology, headed by Jared Towers, is a great resource for updates on the unfolding situation as they attempt to reunite the two-year old calf of T109A3 with her extended family. At the end of the episode, the two answer some listener requests and questions. They introduce the T124A matriline and answer a listener question of have we ever seen any superpods. The definition of a superpod is when all three pods of the Southern Resident Community gather together. Every member of every matriline of every pod in the same area. The term often gets used to describe large gatherings or when most of the community is together but a true superpod is when every single whale in the SRKW community has come together. If you are enjoying listening to our podcast, please share this with your friends, follow/subscribe, and leave us feedback/reviews! You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook and Youtube. Please send us feedback or questions at afterthebreachpodcast@gmail.com.   Photos from this episode: Humpback on the Silver Bank, 2024. Photo by Jeff Friedman   Steller sea lion hunt. Photo by Sara Shimazu   L77 with new calf L124 in 2019. Photo by Sara Shimazu   Superpod in 2019. Photo by Sara Shimazu   Superpod in 2019. Photo by Jeff Friedman

PacMam Podcast
PacMam Podcast: Whats the 'porpoise' of phocoenacide?

PacMam Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2023 73:13


Southern Resident killer whales (SRKW) are fish eating killer whales. In particular, they are salmon eaters, with their preferred prey being Chinook salmon. But over the years they have been documented killing porpoises (often times young calves), but NOT eating them. This type of non-consumptive killing by predators is not unique in the animal kingdom, but the reason behind it varies by species - and sometimes we just don't know why they do it. Are there particular individuals, age classes, or sexes that do it? Is the behavior being transmitted throughout the popluation (evidence of social learning, and culture)? Is it for play, competition for prey, hunting practice, helping of an injured animal, or just fun? Join us as we discuss this paper that covers 45 years of data to try and answer these questions for SRKW and porpoises in the Salish Sea. Paper available here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/mms.13073

PacMam Podcast
PacMam podcast: The release of Tokitae/Lolita - things to think about

PacMam Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 8, 2023 53:19


Tokitae (Toki), or Lolita, is a Southern Resident killer whale (SRKW) that was taken as a 4 year old in 1970. She has been in captivity for 52 years at the Miami Seaquarium in a tank far too small (smaller than all guidelines set for captive orcas). For over 40 of those years she has been with no other orcas (sometimes she has a dolphin in her tank for company). There has been dedicated work for decades to get her released, and that possibility is actually on the horizon! The Dolphin Company (who recently bought the Seaquarium) retired her, and has entered into a binding contract with Friends of Lolita/Toki to release her back into her home waters. This is fantastic news, but there is still a lot of work to be done, and things that need to be considered. There are economic, ethical, social and biological factors that need to be considered in how this release will go, and what is ultimitely best for Toki. There are so many people that have come together to help this whale, and that is truly heartwarming. Vets, trainers, activists, native tribes, researchers, the public all want what is best for her. In this podcast we are not judging either side (keeping captive vs. release), but raising the various questions that we need to consider in this complicated, and emotional, situation in order to inform our decisions so that we do the best we can for Toki.

Breaching Extinction
122. SRKW's in Monterey and Life Updates

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 7, 2023 43:17


This is the first episode of season 5! Erica and Madi sit down and chat about the future of the podcast and the southern residents using the full extent of their home range. If you are interested working with Breaching Extinction please send us an instagram DM or email Erica at erica@breachingextinction.com

You're Not Qualified - A Podcast
You're Qualified - To Become A Nonprofit Founder (Part 1)

You're Not Qualified - A Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 15, 2022 62:15


We are back on it, Imposters - another episode about whales. While the topic of whales warms my heart on its own, nonprofit work warms my heart like a furnace and we are here to talk all about it (especially if that nonprofit is focused on conservation...) Courtney chats with Whitney Neugebauer - nonprofit founder of an organization called Whale Scout. They chat about the obstacles faced in starting a nonprofit, the amazing engineering ability of beavers, hiring interns, Lower Snake River Dam removal, surviving on nonprofit income, the plight of the Southern Resident Killer Whales, and much more. This will be Part 1 of a two-parter covering founding nonprofits - buckle up and let's save some animals. Find Whitney and Whale Scout: whalescout.org Facebook IG TikTok Find Courtney: Email: ynqpod@gmail.com IG Website Twitter Take action for Lower Snake River Dam removal: change.org Columbia River Keeper Alexandra Morton - has dedicated 30 years of her life to the whales - Alexandra's book - Not On My Watch

Breaching Extinction
0.35 Sea Doo

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 20, 2022 50:03


In this week's episode Liam, Kendra, and Erica dove into chapters 5 & 6 of Listening to Whales by Alexandra Morton. They also covered recent SRKW news regarding the Biden administration weighing in breaching the Lower Snake River dams, a new K pod calf, and the recent declaration of vulnerability in 13 individual Southern Residents. More Sources: https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/about/regulations/filings/2022/WSR%2022-14-068.pdf

Breaching Extinction
104. Lead Wirth Your Faith Not Your Fear

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 1, 2022 50:52


This week Erica chatted with Donna Sandstrom, Founder/Executive Director of the Whale Trail and member of the Orca Task Force about her work and thoughts on how to help the Southern Residents. About The Whale Trail: Where the Whales Are: Discovering Marine Mammals from Shore Along the Pacific Coast (Washington Post 2020) Humans are so loud marine safaris might soon be on land (Daily Beast 2021) About Southern Resident Orca Recovery: Nearby Vessels Interrupt Feeding of Southern Resident Killer Whales, Especially Females (Holt et al 2021) Columbia Basin salmon, Snake River dams and Southern Resident Orcas (NOAA Fisheries 2020) Southern Resident Killer Whales and Snake River Dams (NOAA Fisheries 2016) Southern Resident Orca Task Force Final Report and Recommendations (2019) Southern Resident Orca Recovery - Washington State Website Give them Space! voluntary pledge campaign for boaters to stay 1,000 yard/meters away from SRKW. My book about Springer! Orca Rescue! The true story of an orphaned orca named Springer (Kids Can Press 2021)

Breaching Extinction
76. The Sensory World of Whales

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 6, 2021 52:08


In this episode, Erica chats with Dr. Marla Holt Research Wildlife Biologist for the Marine Mammal Ecology Team at NOAA. Marla's current research focuses on marine mammal acoustics including the effects of noise on the acoustic signals and behavior of Southern Resident killer whales, their use of sound during different activity states, and the cost of sound production in odontocetes. Correction: There are now currently 74 SRKW's at the time of recording there were 75

Breaching Extinction
74. Working for the Whales

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 11, 2021 46:26


Special Orca Month episode with Dr. Deborah Giles from Wild Orca discussing what we can do to help the SRKW's!

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Breaching Extinction
72. Can you not?

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later May 28, 2021 48:46


Shelby, Liam, and Erica discuss the impact of Sonor will impact the SRKW's and how current testing plans will impact them. Sources: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-military-sonar-kill/#:~:text=While%20little%20is%20known%20about,from%20the%20sounds%20of%20sonar https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2017.00295/full https://www.nature.com/news/2008/080801/full/news.2008.997.html https://www.orcanetwork.org/news/shoup.html https://www.orcanetwork.org/news/shoup.html#cwrsonar

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Breaching Extinction
68. Forming and Orca-stra

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 30, 2021 57:08


In this week's episode, Erica sits down with Howard Garret and Brian Jenkins to discuss Biden's infrastructure bill, the It's About Dam Time campaign, and the Red Road to DC Initiative. Howard is a sociologist and one of the founders of Orca Network, a non-profit dedicated to raising awareness about the whales of the Pacific Northwest, and the importance of providing them healthy and safe habitats. Brian the founder of Blackfin coffee and SRKW activist. We urge everyone to continue to write our senators! Sources: It's About Dam Time Infographics It's About Dam Time Video Red Road to DC Seattle Times: Lummi Nation carvers and allies to embark on national tour to D.C., give totem pole to President Biden Howards first Breaching Extinction Epsiode Brian's first Breaching Extinction Episode

Breaching Extinction
64. Scientific Discovery on the Road to Recovery

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 2, 2021 39:58


This week Erica chatted with Lynn Barre Southern Resident Recovery Coordinator at NOAA about current efforts in place to help the SRKW's. She talks about the role of science, NOAA, and how we can help as individuals.

Breaching Extinction
61. Q & A + How I Kelp

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 12, 2021 55:54


This week we did a special Q & A episode. If you guys like these send us more questions and we'll be happy todo another. We also launched our new campaign "How I Kelp" to share all the amazing things people in our community are doing. Please send us a video via Instagram (@breachingextinction) story post or email at media@breachingextinction.com. No matter how big or how small your effort is we want to see what everyone is doing to kelp! Don't forget to tag us and hashtag "How I Kelp" Video Requests: -Anything you are doing to help the southern residents (get creative) -Tell us wear you are from and how you efforts impact the SRKW's -We prefer you film in landscape -Tag us and hashtag "How I Kelp" We will be sending a free Breaching Extinction T-Shirt to the person or group with the best video!

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Breaching Extinction
60. Emotion(wh)al(e)

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 5, 2021 83:48


In this weeks episode Erica chats with Jim Whitehead, new up and coming SRKW podcasters about his experience as an activist, thoughts on the emotional value of whale, and his new podcast Seaquarium's Shame. We want to give Jim a warm whalecome to the podcast community and fish him the best!

Breaching Extinction
53. A Vessel for Conversation

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 15, 2021 44:17


In this weeks episode Erica chats with Shelby Nielson, PhD student studying epidemiology about a study evaluating the impact of vessel traffic on foraging behavior of the SRKW's. They discuss this study, new regulations in Washington and the recent siting of what was thought to be a long lost Norther Resident Killer Whale. See link's below for more information!   Studies:  Vessel traffic disrupts the foraging behavior of southern resident killer whales Orcinus orca  Effects of Vessel Distance and Sex on the Behavior of Endangered Killer Whales Credible Scientific Institutions: Center for Whale Research, Wild Orca, & Whale Museum  UPDATE: received some new information, excited to review in the coming weeks. DM or email if you have other studies you would like to discuss

Breaching Extinction
50. Season Fin-ally

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 16, 2020 52:34


Ending our first season with none other than Ellie Sawyer. We reflect on the last season, discuss the most current politics surrounding the SRKW's, and of course harbor seals. Thanks to everyone who has been a part of this, looking forward to the start of a new season!

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Breaching Extinction
39. Orcantics, Ethics & Philosophy

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 24, 2020 56:25


In this episode, environmental philosopher from the University of North Texas, Brittany Jandick talks about her masters thesis evaluating how capitalism and anthropocentrism have lead to SRKW endangerment.

Breaching Extinction
26. Emulate to Eliminate Extinction

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2020 51:17


In this episode, Erica interviews Snow McCormick and Cy Scammell co-founders of PNW Protectors, a nonprofit organization dedicated to protecting the Salish Sea and its inhabitants through education, science and empowerment. They share the inspiring story of how the got involved working to conserve and the magic that has come out of being connected to this community. They elaborate on their mission, current projects and thoughts on how best to save the SRKW's.

PNW Protectors
The Orcas Told the Story

PNW Protectors

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 1, 2020 37:11


If you haven't read or listened to the audio book Lost Frequency and you love orcas....go and do it as soon as possible. This is a fantastic book and we were lucky enough to sit down with author Barry Swanson and his partner Marine Naturalist Rachelle Hayden to talk about his book, the state of the Southern Resident Orcas, and what all of us can do to help. I hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as we had making it.  If you wish to support the March for the Dams movement go to www.marchforthedams.com Or if you want to buy a BREACH hoodie to help fund the March, please go to www.pnwprotectors.com/shop Holdfast, Cy and Snow

Breaching Extinction
18. Research Survey with Adelaidee Fouache

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2020 51:17


In this episode, Adelaidee Fouache's masters student from the Swedish University of Agriculture studying Environmental Communications and Management interviews Erica for her thesis evaluating the human side of SRKW conservation, giving listeners the unique opportunity to experience part of the scientific process. 

Breaching Extinction
13. Southern resident recovery in San Juan County

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 6, 2019 34:26


This week we had the opportunity to interview Dr. Frances Robertson, leader of the SRKW recovery efforts in San Juan County. She discusses her role within the country, projects she’s worked on and thoughts on how we can all contribute to helping recover the species.

Breaching Extinction
0.02 Never say Bieber and more serious things

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 4, 2019 38:54


This week we tell the story of Luna, a lone SRKW and discuss our thoughts on previous episodes. 

Breaching Extinction
6. Aversion to adapting failed conservation efforts leading to further decline of Salmon and SRKW's

Breaching Extinction

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 18, 2019 38:17


Award winning director and producer Josh 'Bones' Murphy, talks about his new documentary Aritifishal which focuses on the exploring the long term impact of salmon hachteries. We discuss the implications of human involvement in salmon reproduction on behavior and survivability of Salmon and SRKW's. He expresses his concern for peoples lack of faith in nature and urges removal of dams.

Zoo Logic
Evolution of the Orca Conservancy

Zoo Logic

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 29, 2019 64:21


Founded in 1996 in hopes of reuniting one killer whale with her wild cousins, the Orca Conservancy today is focused on preserving the endangered population of Southern Resident Killer Whales (SRKW) that frequent the waters around Seattle and Vancouver part of the year. It's this steadfast mission to prevent the SRKW from extinction that put the Orca Conservancy at odds recently with a well-publicized plan by the Whale Sanctuary Project to build in SRKW waters, a permanent whale holding facility for orcas of mostly Icelandic descent that were born and currently reside in zoos and aquariums.  Orca Conservancy president Shari Tarantino describes the organization's work to save the SRKW by also preserving the endangered chinook salmon, as well as restoring the river and ocean habitats that both species depend upon for their survival. This episode's honest and at times difficult conversation between an anti-captivity leader and a former orca trainer and podcast host shows their perspectives have much in common, especially when it comes to saving SRKW and restoring healthy marine ecosystems. 1:20  History of Orca Conservancy. Reuniting Lolita/Tokitae. 31:00 The OC blog post heard round the marine mammal world 1:03:30 That Sounds Wild That Sounds Wild: Killer Whale vocal imitation.  Courtesy www.SeaWorld.com  and Hubbs Research. (Crance, J.L., A.E. Bowles, and A. Garver. 2014.  Evidence for vocal learning in juvenile male killer whales, Orcinus orca, from an adventitious cross-socializing experiment.  Journal of Experimental Biology 217: 1229-1237.)    www.iReinforce.com www.facebook.com/ZooLogicpodcast/ www.OrcaConservancy.org http://peppermintnarwhal.com www.animalcaresoftware.com        

Mornings with Simi
3 missing endangered southern resident orcas now presumed dead: researchers

Mornings with Simi

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 29, 2019 6:26


The already diminished population of B.C.'s endangered southern resident killer whales (SRKW) has taken another hit. The Washington state-based Center for Whale Research said Tuesday that three adult southern resident orcas are missing and now presumed dead. That leaves the southern resident population at just 73. Guest: Josh McInnes Research Coordinator at Marine Life Studies, based in Campbell River Marine mammal scientist

The Public Circle w/ Adam Olsen
Mark Leiren-Young - Journalist, podcaster and self-proclaimed Orcaholic

The Public Circle w/ Adam Olsen

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 30, 2019 57:41


In episode 15 of The Public Circle Podcast I'm joined by Skaana podcast host Mark Leiren-Young to talk about what? You guessed it, the Southern Resident Killer Whales (SRKW). This was a deeply enjoyable conversation about the history of our relationship with orcas from cetaceans in captivity to the recent change in federal legislation freeing them, covering all the ground in between sci-fi killer monsters and the gentle relatives of the deep who we fished alongside. “Mark Leiren-Young, who has a background in pretty much everything — journalism, television, comedy, theatre and film — is without a doubt one of the most talented, multi-disciplinary voices in Canada.” – National Post That pretty much sums him up with one major piece missing. For the past 20+ years he has been on the orca beat. He has been capturing the stories of the SRKW's with his pen, camera and podcast and helping us all better understand the iconic species of the Salish Sea. This episode is a wide-ranging conversation and we spend time discussing why we should call the whales by name and Mark's various books and documentaries about orcas. If you would like to find out more about his work or to contact him I encourage you to check out his website. I hope you enjoy this episode featuring Mark Leiren-Young!

A-Pod Cast For Killer Whales
Brad Hanson: "Deadly Diseases""

A-Pod Cast For Killer Whales

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2019 34:01


Brad Hanson is a wildlife biologist with NOAA's Northwest Fisheries Science Center and one of the scientists most intimately acquainted with the decline of the Southern Resident Killer Whales (SRKW). After 15 years of studying them using satellite tags among other techniques, Hanson believes the SRKW are likely dying from disease not starvation, as has been widely publicized. He says they're likely more susceptible to pathogens because they don't have enough food to eat. The SRKW are not like other orcas who eat mammals and sharks. They only eat fish and they prefer Chinook salmon. Unfortunately, those fish are also disappearing. At the time of this recording, there are 75 SRKW left alive in the wild.

Bent N Ballistic Outdoors
BNBO Ep 51 Girl Power Part II - Fishing is Therapy

Bent N Ballistic Outdoors

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 2, 2019 87:51


Mike McKnight, Aimee Russell, Amy Terra and Nancy Black. If fishing and the outdoors is your therapy this is the episode for you. Mike and Aimee/Amy talk about how fishing and the outdoors are the mental therapy. Aimee Russell fished to cope with personal tragedy. Amy Terra uses fly fishing to cope with coming back from life threatening health issues. Then Nancy Black from Monterey Bay Whale watch joins us to talk bout the endangered Southern Resident Orcas that turned up suddenly in Monterey this week. 

PNW Protectors
Breaching the Lower Four Snake River Dams by Jim Waddell

PNW Protectors

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 6, 2019 38:09


Jim Waddell is a retired Civil Engineer from the US Army Corps of Engineers where he served for 36 years. Over the last 6 years Jim has been working relentlessly providing information to the public, leading the movement to breach the lower four snake river dams in order to save the endangered chinook salmon and Southern Resident Orca populations with his "Dam Sense" recommendations and information. In this episode Jim speaks with us in depth about the critical importance of why breaching is so critical this year, the complexities, the logistics, the cost, and the bureaucracy we all have to overcome in order save our orcas.

PNW Protectors
Gary Sutton and Tasli Shaw

PNW Protectors

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 13, 2019 67:17


Internationally famous Gary Sutton (Pro Orca Photographer) and Tasli Shaw (Renowned Orca Artist) joined us from Vancouver Island in this PNW Protectors podcast episode to share some mind blowing Orca stories, a Canadian perspective of the plight of the Southern Resident Orcas (SRKW), and ways we all can help Save Our Orcas. Prepare yourself for an amazing hour long journey with these two incredible souls. Enjoy!

Bent N Ballistic Outdoors
BNBO Ep 39 Salmon, Sea Lions & Orcas

Bent N Ballistic Outdoors

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 6, 2019 97:42


Guests: James Stone, Elite Sportsman Guide Service, President of the NGASA. Casey McLean, Executive Director and Veterinary Nurse of SR3 Sealife Response. Dr. Brian Riddell, President and CEO of Pacific Salmon Foundation. Subjects Discussed: James' is now on a Salmon Sub Panel of the PFMC to advocate for inland CA Salmon issues. Casey talks about the recent increase in Sea Lion shootings in Seattle. Dr. Riddell talks about Salmon, Sea Lions and Orcas in the NW Washington and BC areas. Specifically the possible extinction of Souther Resident Killer Whales. 

PNW Protectors
Co-Extinction Film: A SRKW Documentary Series

PNW Protectors

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 13, 2018 36:07


Gloria and Elena, co-directors or Co-Extinction Film, share with us their experiences of what it's like to tackle a multi movie series about such a powerful topic: the co-extinction of chinook salmon and the Southern Resident Orcas. Neither of them have had ever made a film before, but through social media and sheer will, they brought together a powerful team of cinematographers and film crew from around the globe to help create what is to be surely to be one of the most powerful conservation series of 2019.

PNW Protectors
Searching for Chinook: Documentary Film about the Southern Resident Orcas

PNW Protectors

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2018 48:09


Alex and Maria spent three months this summer on San Juan Island filming their movie "Searching for Chinook." What they couldn't have known was the tragic events of Tahlequah (J-35) pushing her dead calf for 18 days over 1,000 miles as well as young Scarlet (J-50) dying after a long fight with starvation during their filming timeline. In the midst of these events, the Orca Task Force was forced by public comments to finally discuss the breaching of the lower four snake river dams which surprisingly to Alex and Maria, the task force knew virtually nothing about despite it being the only short and long term solution in saving the Southern Resident Orcas. Alex and Maria felt it was going to be a tough summer, but they had no idea the amount of drama they would be capturing everyday filming the orcas, politicians, scientists, and Orca experts.

PNW Protectors
Orca Task Force Recommends Ban on SRKW Whale Watching

PNW Protectors

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 8, 2018 50:02


Jeff Friendman, President of the Pacific Whale Watching Association, and Sara Shimazu, Naturalist of Maya's Legacy whale watching, speak about some of their most magical encounters in the Salish Sea with our beloved Orcas as well as their thoughts on the Orca Task Force's "bold" 3-5 year recommendation ban on SRKW whale watching. To learn more about the plight of the Southern Resident Orcas and what you can do to save them, be sure to check out our website at www.pnwprotectors.com and follow us on Instagram @pnwprotectors.

PNW Protectors
Saving the SRKW with Dr. Joe Gaydos

PNW Protectors

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 8, 2018 39:35


Dr. Joe Gaydos spoke to us about the science behind breaching the Lower Four Snake River Dams, his summer up close and personal with the Southern Resident Orcas, and ways each and every individual can save our Orcas! Visit our website at www.pnwprotectors.com or follow us on Instagram @pnwprotectors for more information on the latest SRKW news and how you can help Save Our Orcas!

A-Pod Cast For Killer Whales
David Bain: "Boat Noise & Killer Whales"

A-Pod Cast For Killer Whales

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2018 19:28


David Bain is Chief Scientist with the Orca Conservancy and a leading expert on how vessel noise affects the behavior of the Southern Resident killer whales. He is a critic of the proposed ban on whale watching of the SRKW, arguing it may not only be unnecessary but also harmful.