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En este episodio Buji y Tamara hablan de El guardián ente el centeno, el podcast Rabbit Hole, el nuevo disco de André 3000 y el libro Kill All Normies. Algo Prestado es una producción de El Diario AR y ⁠CONGO⁠

A taster of the full Patreon subscribers' episode! Founder and editor of Sublation Media and ex-Zer0 Books editor Doug Lain joins for a monster discussion of the recent history of Left media, its failures on COVID and state collusion in social media companies, the weird turn of the Democratic Party in Biden's challengers RFK jnr. and Marianne Williamson, and looking back on Kill All Normies. 

The wonderful Angela Nagle joins us to talk about Robert Hughes' fantastic study of modern art, The Shock of the New.Subscribe to Angela's substack: https://angelanagle.substack.com/Buy Angela's book, Kill All Normies: https://www.amazon.com/Kill-All-Normies-Culture-Alt-Right/dp/1785355430 

I met Mike Cernovich a few years ago when I was making a documentary based on Angela Nagle’s book, Kill All Normies. Back then I had the same impression of him that you likely did, and that you probably still do: I thought he was a Trump-loving, men’s rights-touting, right wing troll.But after chatting with him, I liked him anyway. Mike was thoughtful, honest, candid, reasonable, self-disparaging, and fair-minded. I’d read the New Yorker profile of him. I’d seen the tweets and heard the slander. I’d even interviewed Zoë Quinn, Mike’s Gamergate nemesis, (I liked her, too), who’d told me exactly what she thought of Mike Cernovich (she despises him). Liking this guy was not what I’d expected.I could have easily made the decision then to tell everyone who’d listen that I’d met Mike Cernovich and he was exactly the piece of human garbage you’ve been told he was. My milieux back then was pretty conventionally left-wing, so that would have been the easiest thing to do. (I did in fact say basically that about Lucian Wintrich, who I also interviewed for the same film, because that’s exactly how he came across to me.) I probably could’ve even gotten VICE to run it.But that would have been a lie. And even worse, it would have cost me the opportunity to get to know someone who came from a completely different political tribe than I did — an enemy tribe, no less — to learn what values he actually holds and why he holds them. It would have cost me the chance to learn, for the hundredth time, that the cartoon characters the media writes about rarely measure up to the actual human beings they’re meant to describe (Wintrich being the exception to that rule).Over the years, Mike and I DM’d quite a bit on Twitter and became friends. We shared some important things in common, such as a deep moral concern for the welfare of industrially exploited animals, and a reflexive distrust of the elite, whether they’re dressed up in right wing or left wing garb.As it turned out, by the end of the Trump presidency, we came to share another thing in common: a deep contempt for Trump.Mike went to the mat for Trump in 2016, and among liberals, he’s still regarded as a Trumpist. But Mike has in fact come to loathe the man, for reasons we go into in this podcast.Mike didn’t benefit politically from his turn against the former President. It certainly didn’t do anything to soften his image in the liberal media (nor did he try to capitalize on it by selling himself as a Lincoln Project-style turncoat to the MSNBC crowd), and it earned him plenty of enemies among his own erstwhile fans. But along with the rest of us, he had watched this undeniably buffoonish administration embarrass itself, and instead of making excuses, he was honest about it.Whenever I discuss my fondness for Mike publicly, somebody trots out a bunch of his old tweets and demands that I answer for them. It’ll probably happen this time, too. But I don’t take the bait, not only because it’s a boring subject but also because I don’t demand of others that they justify everything that their friends and associates have ever said, so I don’t acknowledge that as a legitimate expectation of myself. Mike has a big megaphone to speak for himself, anyway. He doesn’t need my defense, and I don’t feel obligated to defend myself.Regardless, I’ll probably lose a few followers and subscribers for “platforming” Mike Cernovich (whose own platform dwarfs my tiny little perch in the first place). But if Mike is comfortable losing some friends by being honest about what a pathetic little worm of a man Trump is, then I guess I can follow his example and lose a few by being honest about what a smart and decent guy I believe Mike to be.If you’re skeptical about that, then just go ahead and listen to the episode. If, after hearing him for yourself, you remain unconvinced, then fair enough. I make a point of not letting political disagreements get in the way of personal relationships, which is the entire reason I became friends with Mike Cernovich in the first place. But I think you’ll change your mind, even if only a little bit, about Mike.—LeightonP.S. I’ve already released the next episode of the podcast, with Catherine Liu, to paid subscribers only. I eventually make every episode fully public, but if you’d like to hear them a few days in advance, here’s the button: This is a public episode. Get access to private episodes at leightonwoodhouse.substack.com/subscribe

On this episode of the DrugCultGang podcast Tony is joined by Academic Fraud and Beyond Woke & Problematic to talk about His book The Memeing of Mark Fisher // Hunter S. Thompson gonzo journalism // Heat (1995) // Angela Nagle (get her on the pod) Kill All Normies 2: More kills, More Normies // Snitch culture cyber wars // Mencius Moldbug (Curtis Yarvin) and much more! Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/drugcultgang/posts Instagrams: https://www.instagram.com/drugcultgang/ https://www.instagram.com/academicfraud/ https://www.instagram.com/beyond_woke_and_problematic/

You can support this podcast and get early releases at https://www.patreon.com/aksubversive Or check out my writing on Substack at https://www.alexkaschuta.substack.com​ I speak to Angela about rootlessness as the price of empire, woke NGOs as the enforcers of global capital, hyperreal online spaces and the people that populate them, boring local politics vs. the dopamine rush of the 24/7 kaleidoscope of U.S. politics, having skin in the game of politics and what happens if you don't, the machinations of power at a global level, and the fertility crisis. Angela Nagle is the author of "Kill All Normies" and a writer for American Affairs and Unherd. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/aksubversive/message

In dieser Folge sprechen wir mit unseren zwei spannenden Gästen klassenbewusster Corgi (www.instagram.com/klassenbewusster.corgi) und Genosse Kevin (www.instagram.com/genosse_kevin) über Linke Meme Kultur. Zuerst geben wir eine kleine Einführung darin was Memes überhaupt sind und ihre Geschichte. Dann reden wir über Memes als Aktivismus, über Memes und Zeitgeist, die unkritische Verwendung von Templates durch Linke und zum Abschluss über Memes und Kulturindustrie. Es ist ein spannendes Gespräch welches aber durchaus teilweise unverständlich sein kann, für diejenigen von euch die nicht so sehr im Thema drin stecken, wir hoffen aber das es auch euch gefällt. Hier noch die im Podcast genannten Empfehlungen und weiteres Wissenswertes: * Was ist Incel? de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel * ContraPoints: www.youtube.com/user/ContraPoints * Tom Nicholas: www.youtube.com/channel/UCxt2r57cLastdmrReiQJkEg * Jacob Geller: www.youtube.com/user/yacobg42 * Lindsay Ellis: www.youtube.com/user/chezapoctube * Vertraut & Seltsam: www.youtube.com/channel/UC-oVwmN8Alt2cPsPw-5htnw * Philosophy Tube: www.youtube.com/user/thephilosophytube * Freie Arbeiter*innen Union: fau.org * 4 Stunden Liga: 4hour-league.org * Incels - Geschichte, Sprache und Ideologie eines Online-Kults von Veronika Kracher: www.ventil-verlag.de/titel/1862/incels * „Kill All Normies“ von Angela Nagle: www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/angela-nagle-kill-all-normies-amerika-unter-trump-die.1270.de.html?dram:article_id=408170

For the inaugural episode of the Outsider Theory podcast, I speak to Angela Nagle, author of Kill All Normies, about the Capitol riot and what it reveals about the right-wing embrace of transgression and subversion; the shift in the liberal consensus from celebratory views of technology to more censorious attitudes; and the ongoing weaponization of the left's countercultural energies by the neoliberal center. Links: Angela Nagle, Kill All Normies (https://www.johnhuntpublishing.com/zer0-books/our-books/kill-all-normies) Geoff Shullenberger, "Theorycels in Trumpworld (https://outsidertheory.com/theorycels-in-trumpworld/)" Geoff Shullenberger, "Goodbye Trump, our carnival king (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/goodbye-trump-our-carnival-king)"

This week we read Angela Nagle's book "Kill All Normies" and discuss the genesis of the online alt-right. Thanks to Gordon Gilmore for the rec - pick up the book and join the conversation! https://www.johnhuntpublishing.com/zer0-books/our-books/kill-all-normies Music: Protofunk by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/4247-protofunk License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/godlycommunists/message

PODCASTS: Running from Cops, Ear Hustle, Dirty John, Who the Hell is Hamish?, Reply All, Quick Question, Trump Inc., What Trump Can Teach Us About Con Law, 99% Invisible, Intercepted, Deconstructed, The Bechdel Cast, The Daily Zeitgeist, On The Media, It Could Happen Here, The Women's War, Worst Year Ever, The King Mobcast, Punch Up the Jam FICTION: Motherless Brooklyn, Illuminatus!, The Martian, Magic for Beginners, Dune, Kill All Normies, Junky, In Watermelon Sugar, any one Tom Robbins Book except Half Asleep in Frog Pajamas, preaching Pynchon, The Broken Earth Trilogy, The Kingkiller Chronicle, The Expanse NONFICTION: The New Jim Crow, Homicide COMICS: The Invisibles, The Filth TV: Sense 8, The Expanse, Tiger King is representative of polyamory, W FILM ON PLAYA: Brazil, (don't watch Fritz the Cat,) Kill Bill, Fury Road VR: Beat Saber YOUTUBE: Accuracy Third plays Eclipse ALSO: Anarchist-ier Than Thou PLUS: X-tian Side-Hug ALSO TOO: Lazy Risotto IN CONCLUSION: A System of Chits TL;DR: SEND US YOUR ATTACK QUESTIONS MUSIC: Midtown Social "Born to Dream"

Vad är det som hänt med vårt offentliga samtal? Hur blev det så högljutt och polariserat – och vad betyder det för politiken? I boken "Kill all Normies" beskriver Angela Nagle de senaste decenniets förändringar, och analyserar denna dramatiska förändring. Joel Halldorf och Patrik Hagman diskuterar hur det gick till när anonyma internetforum tog över från tidningarnas ledarsidor och blev drivande i debatten och började forma politiken.

Angela Nagle is a writer best known for her book "Kill All Normies" and her recent piece "The Left Case against Open Borders" https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/11/the-left-case-against-open-borders/ Big thanks to all the patrons who help me keep the lights on. If you'd like to discuss this podcast with me and others, suggest future guests, or read/watch/listen to more content on these themes, request an invitation here. This conversation was first recorded on August 28, 2019 as a livestream on Youtube. To receive notifications when future livestreams begin, subscribe to my channel with one click, then click the little bell.

Mireia Sallarès (Barcelona, 1973) lives between Barcelona and other foreign cities where she develops her artistic practice.Being a foreigner is an essential register in her field research that is the result of long term projects on such essential topics as violence, death, pleasure, legality, truth or love; that she defines as battle grounds.The process of creating her works is an indispensable part of the content that involves people from their uniqueness to question the apparatus of construction of the dominant discourses in our society. The notion of "lived life" is the axis on which her artistic practice is articulated and she states: “What is truly monumental is the life who has been lived. UNESCO should declare it a human right and protect it as a world heritage. The lived life cannot be an individual right because life who has been lived links us all, even the living and the dead.” Sallarès is currently developing the Trilogy of Trash Concepts; prolonged researches into life in relation to the doubtful political prestige of concepts such as truth, love and work.Video of The Little Deaths (Las Muertes Chiquitas) project The book mentioned in the interview is Kill All Normies. Las Muertes Chiquitas (Trailer) from Sans Godot on Vimeo.

Texty publicistky Angely Nagle vyvolávají vášně. Největší diskuzi Nagle otevřela knihou Kill All Normies. V ní rozebírá hnutí alt-right a online subkulturu plnou memů, ze které vzešlo. Máme se alternativní pravice bát i dnes? „Musíme se zaměřit na mocenské struktury, které máme přímo před očima,“ říká Angela Nagle v rozhovoru série Otevřené hlavy. Kromě alternativní pravice rozebírá i úroveň politické diskuze na sociálních médiích nebo selhání dnešní levice.

Yoel and Mickey discuss Kill All Normies, a book written by Angela Nagle about the online culture wars, the rise of transgressive politics, and the disappearance of moderates. But, first they discuss a new journal article titled The Paradox of Viral Outrage suggesting that online pile-ons tend to backfire Bonus: What does Mickey really think about Christina Hoff Sommers?

The heated culture wars of the 1990s are back – the modern battle ground is the internet. The rising alt-right, full of transgressive energy, includes everyone from obscure neo-reactionary and white separatist movements to geeky subcultures like 4chan to world-famous trolls and provocateurs. In contrast, lurking behind a wall of trigger warnings and no-platforming, the left looks like a reactive filter-bubble of retweets and struggle sessions. Will the casualty of these fierce and empty battles be democracy itself – and along with it any hope of engagement with the moral complexity of daily life? Chaired by Kym Middleton, Head of Editorial & Events, The Ethics Centre. This conversation was recorded live on stage at the Festival of Dangerous Ideas 2018.

For the fifth episode of MUTATIONS, I am pleased to bring you Michael Brooks. Michael is a political journalist, integral thinker, and host of The Michael Brooks show. Together we explore the Intellectual Dark Web (the subject of his upcoming book from Zero Books) and Jordan Peterson. We also consider the alternative depth psychologist, James Hillman (who arguably speaks more from the left), the applicability of Ken Wilber’s Integral Theory to politics, a need in the consciousness culture for a historic grounding in economic theory, and building towards authentic, bottom-up planetary meshworks.SHOW NOTES / FLORILEGIUMThe Michael Brooks Show on PatreonMichael’s TwitterThe Michael Brooks Show on YouTubeMichael Brooks on Zero BooksJames Hillman, We’ve Had a Hundred Years of Psychotherapy—And the World’s Getting WorseJames Hillman, Re-Visioning Psychology (Recommended)Rebel Wisdom with Doshin Nelson Roshi (apologies for the brain fog during the recording), “A Zen Master Talks About Jordan Peterson and the Shadow”Notes: This conversation and the heated, bifurcated response to it (200k+ views) is very interesting. So much so that there was a follow-up episode with Rebel Wisdom to reflect on why it hit such a nerve. Ken Wilber, in the late 90s and early 2000s, critiqued much of postmodern academia and the progressive left as “flatland reductionism,” “mean green meme” (via Don Beck’s Spiral Dynamics), and “aperspectival madness” (an unfortunate hijacking of Jean Gebser’s term, ‘aperspectival,’ which means something completely different) many years before the Peterson phenomenon in popular culture. There is some substance in these criticisms, (i.e. “true-but-partial”). As we noted in this episode by way of Mark Fisher’s essay, or Angela Nagel’s Kill All Normies, a critique from within the left is needed, and as Rebel Wisdom says often, “the left needs to get its house in order.” I’m in support of this. However, a knowledge and literacy of leftist“theory” is something I often sense is sorely lacking in the integral movement. This is something that Wilber shares with Peterson: a postmodern “allergy,” a lack of progressive metabolism. Integral oriented thinkers from the progressive left desperately need to step forward and bridge that gap.This is why I’m so interested in working with Jean Gebser’s insights into the aperspectival consciousness/integral culture to explore the phenomenology of our culture: the stasis of Gebser’s deficient mental-rational structure, and the crisis of late capitalism, co-inform my understanding of Mark Fisher’s capitalist realism and the Möbius strip of consc --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mutations/message

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In the internet culture wars, the ascendant alt-right confronts a complacent left obsessed with identity politics. Has the worst of the internet become reality? Author and writer Angela Nagle presents a keynote at the 2018 Festival of Dangerous Ideas on Cockatoo Island. The talk is chaired by Kym Middleton.

On this edition of Parallax Views returning guest, my partner-in-crime at Zero Books' Alternatives podcast, and personal friend C. Derick Varn returns to discuss the life and punditry of Britain's arch-conservative pessimist Peter Hitchens. Although his renown, at least in the U.S., has often been eclipsed by that of his brother, the late New Atheist crusader Christopher Hitchens, Peter is a fascinating figure in his own right who has become the UK's resident doom-and-gloom reactionary that liberals and leftists alike love to loathe. And yet Hitchens rejection of Reagan-Thatcherite individualism, coupled with his scathing critiques of elites on both sides of the political spectrum, have made him a commentator of interest to left-leaning individuals like myself, C. Derick Varn, and Kill All Normies author Angela Nagle among others. He may not be someone we agree with, but he is a refreshing and worth adversary, especially in the sea of grifting hacks that make up much of the right-wing media ecosystem today.

What is triggering the alt-right outbreak? Is it racism, sexism, or both? Oxford, Teen, and Jess use Angela Nagle’s book "Kill All Normies" and Kristen Roupenian’s short story "Cat Person" as launchpads for discussing this social development that has much relevance for Asian Americans as well. Intro/Outro Song: "99 Problems (Instrumental)" by Jay-Z Intro Voice Track: Vice Interview with Jordan Peterson by Jay Caspian Kang TWITTER Teen(@mont_jiang) Jess (@whatsupjess) Oxford (@oxford_kondo) REFERENCED RESOURCES The Alt-Right's Asian Fetish by Audrea Lim: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/alt-right-asian-fetish.html "Kill All Normies" by Angela Nagle: https://www.amazon.com/Kill-All-Normies-Culture-Alt-Right/dp/1785355430/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523509373&sr=8-1&keywords=kill+all+normies "Cat Person" by Kristen Roupenian: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/cat-person

In this full-length introduction to Season Two, Joe & Josh explain why they've devoted this next batch of episodes to discussing the Alt-Right, that tangle of ugly political and cultural phenomena that has been explained, attacked, and analyzed to death by all quarters of the media in the past two years. What else is there to say by now? Starting with their reactions to Angela Nagle's widely (and rightly) praised book Kill All Normies, your hosts try to defend their choice of theme and their selection of essays and ask what, if anything, this toxic counter-culture can tell us about American life in the 21st century.

[RE-UPLOAD] Jacob & I welcome Douglas Lain from Zero Books to talk about everything from the difference between Anarchism and Marxism, how copy-editing at Zero Books works, the reaction to Angela Nagle's Kill All Normies, interviewing both Posadists and Slavoj Zizek, Leftist YouTube, Chapo Trap House, and much, much more. - - - Show notes here: http://goo.gl/8hrgD8 - - - Help us make the show! https://www.patreon.com/givingthemic/

Radioaktiv præsenterer det første afsnit af Eksilårene. Vi gennemgår og diskuterer her Angela Nagels efterhånden berømte bog 'Kill all normies', som omhandler den spirende Alt-right bevægelse i USA, og dennes opståen i internettes afkroge.

This week, Hanna Rosin, Noreen Malone, June Thomas discuss the book Kill All Normies with author Angela Nagle. Then they talk the about what causes a sex panic, and if all the current sexual harassment allegations could lead to one. Finally, they discuss the new Spike Lee series She’s Gotta Have It.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Hanna Rosin, Noreen Malone, June Thomas discuss the book Kill All Normies with author Angela Nagle. Then they talk the about what causes a sex panic, and if all the current sexual harassment allegations could lead to one. Finally, they discuss the new Spike Lee series She’s Gotta Have It.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode, commentary on: (1) "The negative-sum internet" (Weekly Worker) Paul Demarty reviews: Angela Nagle, Kill all normies: the online culture wars from Tumblr and 4chan to the alt-right and Trump (Zero Books, 2017) http://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1176/the-negative-sum-internet/ (2) Platypus Berkeley panel: "Antifascism in the Age of Trump" Description: Since the Nazi seizure of power eighty years ago, anti-fascism has been a component of left-wing politics. In response to the Trump presidency, the politics of anti-fascism, reminiscent of the Popular Front of the 1930s or the Black Bloc politics of the 1990s, have—once again—been resurrected by the Left. How is anti-fascism the same or different today? Why anti-fascism now? Speakers: Eugene Ruyle (CPUSA/DSA Member, runs Niebyl Proctor Marxist Library); Luma Nichol (Freedom Socialist Party, Communities Against Racism and Fascism); Victoria Fierce (DSA Member, East Bay for Everyone); Ramsey Kanaan (PM Press) Audio recording: https://archive.org/details/berkeley-antifascism-panel (3) Platypus Review articles (issue 100, October 2017) - “Not your grandfather’s anti-fascism: Challenges facing the anti-fascist movement in the age of Trump” by Participants in CrimethInc. Ex-Workers’ Collective https://platypus1917.org/2017/10/01/not-grandfathers-anti-fascism-challenges-facing-anti-fascist-movement-age-trump/ - "The Millennial Left is dead" by Chris Cutrone (Platypus) https://platypus1917.org/2017/10/01/millennial-left-dead/ Hosted by Audrey C., Pamela C. and Laurie R.

We have a very special guest for this episode. Douglas Lain, of Zero Books. In the interview, we discuss a range of topics, but I think the focus of the interview is on how capitalist narcissism is playing out in leftist online culture. Specifically we address: How podcasting has enabled a new debate among the left, concerning the priority of identity; The rise of the Alt-Left, and whether or how the term functions to smear those seeking to re-assert the priority of revolutionary values in leftist discourse; We also address the critical reception of Angela Nagle’s sensational new book, Kill All Normies, published by Zero Books … a book that is ostensibly about the emergence of the Alt-Right, but in this conversation, Doug and I focus mostly on the other main aspect of the book, which is Nagle’s explanation of the rise of “call out culture” on the left. Finally, with the #DSACon17 (the 2017 Democratic Socialists of America convention) starting this week, I ask Doug if he has any advice for delegates to the convention.

The Online Culture Wars Corey Pein chats with Angela Nagle about her new book “Kill All Normies.” Notes And Links This podcast at The Baffler’s website Angela on Twitter Angela’s Baffler essay, The New Man of 4chan

Following the election of Donald Trump, the alt-right has come to play a significant role in American political discourse. They are an upstart political movement that rejects traditional conservatism and championed Trump and his opposition to political correctness. But how did a movement rooted in online and video game culture come to be so influential? Angela Nagle (@angnagle) is an Irish writer and academic who has written extensively on the rise of anti-feminism and the revitalised culture wars. She’s recently written a new book called Kill All Normies, in it she documents how fringe online politics and discussion boards have become mainstream.   Alex Burd spoke to Angela to discuss the book. He started by asking when the alt-right became a mainstream force. Angela Nagle: It has to be the election of Donald Trump. I know that's very recent. Maybe you could say something like Gamergate brought a lot of different right leaning movements and forums and things that weren't very overtly political ended up much more closely mingling over Gamergate. Those are the younger ones. The more serious people like American Renaissance and Richard Spencer and people like that, they're a bit older and have been around for years. They've been taking things much more seriously and have been for a long time. But it's only when all these geeky online sub cultures started to come together that it started to be more legitimate to call them the Alt-Right rather than just the far right. Alex Burd You reference the Gamergate movement. How is that it went from something that was about 'ethics in games journalism' to a political ideology built around the twin pillars of misogyny and white supremacy? AN: Well essentially, depending on who you ask. Gamergate - the gamers say it's about 'ethics in games journalism', the people on the other side say they were merely pointing out sexism in gaming and ended up getting viciously attacked. The people involved in it love endlessly having these competing stories about the precise details of particular attacks which I don't find remotely interesting. Even if you take the most conservative estimate of the levels of attack that were going on they were really bad. Even the ones that are out there for the public to see. And you know a critic should be able to argue that gaming is dominated by sexist attitudes, but essentially it was viewed by gamers - where they got the 'ethics in games journalism' line from is a very long, boring story - essentially it was over political correctness. What they perceived to be feminists and anti-racists and liberals trying to change the culture and take away their fun hobby and destroy everything through liberal censorship. One of the reasons I'm not very sympathetic to that is I just think that, as in film, there's room for different viewpoints. These people were not saying games containing sexism should be banned. They were just saying that the kind of style that dominates has an attitude towards women that they had an issue with. It became basically, for whatever reason, it brought together all these different groups from the Daily Stormer, which is a Nazi website, through to apolitical vaguely sort of pro-free speech types. It brought together a whole range of people that saw themselves in different ways as opposing political correctness. AB: And they were politicised by the fact that a largely white male space was becoming invaded leftist politics and women in particular? AN: Yeah, definitely. Leftist cultural politics, yeah. AB: How did it go from a misogynist reaction to that to something that has become heavily based around white supremacy and racial politics? AN: Well when I started looking at reactionary forums of different types, I started my PHD about seven years ago, I finished about two years ago, I was looking at anti-feminist forums and at that time opposition to feminism was the main issue that really animated these kind of forums.

Angela Nagle joins us again to talk about her book, Kill All Normies, the state of the anime Nazis, their fading horniness for Trump, real-world violence, and the future of disaffected rightwing shitposters. Listen here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-117-kill-11737058 Buy Angela's book: http://www.zero-books.net/books/kill-all-normies

Doug interviews two guests. First, Yasha Levine, author of the forthcoming Surveillance Valley, discusses Russia, the NSA, and the Intercept election hacking leak. Then, Angela Nagle, author of Kill All Normies, chronicles the alt-right's rise.