Podcasts about Jean Gebser

Today we are going to be combining paradox, evolving language, and contextual “warm data. “ Combining is the title of Nora Bateson's latest book, and Embracing Paradox, Evolving Language is Lisa Maroski's latest offering. They will be our two guests, and I am tingling with anticipation. What are we going to talk about? I don't know.  We are going to “pick the flowers, pee in the bushes, throw the stones, watch the clouds, sleep in the shade, and eat the fruit” and then see what happens. We are going to explore the depth of this magnificent, interconnected world. The only thing we know is that the map is not the territory; the name is not the thing named. We know that all the things we typically separate into their own domain – the ecological, biological, economic, philosophical, and educational are really interconnected. But how?  What is the pattern that connects these all together? Join us for this special edition of the Circle for Original Thinking with our guests Lisa Maroski and Nora Bateson.    Nora Bateson is an award-winning filmmaker, artist, international lecturer, research designer, author, and president of the International Bateson Institute. She is the founder and creator of the concept of “Warm Data” and the practices of the Warm Date Lab and People Need People online. Nora wrote, directed, and produced the documentary An Ecology of Mind: A Daughters' Portrait of Gregory Bateson. Her work brings tougher the fields of biology, cognition, art, anthropology, psychology, and information technology together into a study of patterns in the ecology of living systems. She is the author of Small Arcs of Larger Circles (Triarchy Press, 2016) and Combining (2023).  L.E. Maroski is the author of the novel The One that Is Both (2006) and the Nautilus award-winning book Embracing Paradox, evolving Language: Expressing the Unity and Complexity of Integral Consciousness (2026). She combines the fields of psychology, philosophy, linguistics and evolutionary consciousness into her work, building on her study of philosophy and psychology at Bryn Mawr College, where Ashok Gangadean was one of her professors. She is a long-time member of the Jean Gebser Society and CG Jung Society.  

Parry reminds us of the subtle, ancient longing of the soul calling for reunion and wholeness, and that love exists beyond the veils of time and dances outside the confines of space. He unveils the secret: Western time moves like an arrow, whereas Indigenous wisdom traces a circle, an eternal spiral where every place is holy ground and every moment pulses with presence.Glenn Aparicio Parry, Ph.D. is an educator, an ecopsychologist, and an author known for integrating indigenous wisdom and holistic thinking into contemporary society. He is the founder and past president of Seed Institute, where he facilitated landmark dialogues between Native American elders and Western scientists. He currently serves as president of The Circle For Original Thinking and host of its weekly podcast. His books include Original Thinking: A Radical Revisioning Of Time, Humanity And Nature (North Atlantic Books 2015), Original Politics: Making America Sacred Again (SelectBooks 2020), and Original Love: The Timeless Source Of Wholeness.(SelectBooks 2026) Interview Date: 10/10/2025 Tags: Glenn Aparicio Parry, Grandfather Leon Secatero, Jean Gebser, Greek myth of Eros, Psyche, love, Descartes, Isaac Newton, rational thought, original love, Dan Moonhawk Alford, linear perspective of time, forest bathing, strife, Empedocles, Marcellus “Bear Heart” Williams, magical mind, psychokinesis, feminine wisdom, forest bathing, moon rituals, two-eyed seeing, gratitude, photos of Earth from space, grief, loss, Personal Transformation, Psychology, Indigenous Wisdom

Glenn Aparicio Parry, Ph.D. is an educator, an ecopsychologist, and an author known for integrating indigenous wisdom and holistic thinking into contemporary society. He's the founder and past president of Seed Institute, where he facilitated landmark dialogues between Native American elders and Western scientists. He currently serves as president of The Circle For Original Thinking and host of its weekly podcast. His books include Original Thinking: A Radical Revisioning Of Time, Humanity And Nature (North Atlantic Press 2015), Original Politics: Making America Sacred Again (SelectBooks 2020), and Original Love: The Timeless Source Of Wholeness. (SelectBooks 2026).Interview Date: 1/10/2025 Tags: Glenn Aparicio Parry, feminine wisdom, Leroy Little Bear, Dan Moonhawk Alford, Jean Gebser, two-eyed seeing, Yom Kippur, atonement, original thought, deep listening, Personal Transformation, Psychology, Indigenous Wisdom

This episode of Buddhist Geeks features a candid and heartfelt conversation between Vince Fakhoury Horn and Tasshin Fogleman about Palestine, the TPOT subculture, and what it means to embody true Bodhisattvahood. They explore the limitations of online discourse, especially around contentious issues, and reflect on the importance of good-faith dialogue, friendship, and spiritual integrity in times of crisis.Join Vince Fakhoury Horn and Brian Newman outside of Lisbon, Portugal at the beginning of 2026 for a 10-day intensive jhāna retreat. There, we'll be exploring The Flavors of Jhāna.Episode TranscriptVince:Hey Tasshin.Tasshin:Hi Vince.We just talked before I hit record. We just talked still. It's like formally. Hi. Hi. Tasshin: We're here. Vince: Yeah, exactly. That's good to see you. Tasshin: Yeah, good to see you too, brother. Yeah. Vince: Yeah, man, I appreciate you being willing to I invited you to have this conversation on X or my favorite platform to hate, Tasshin:My favorite platform to love.Vince: Great. I was there with you for a while, but yeah, it's getting a little weird. It's it's getting a little Faschy, X but we'll probably talk about that. So I propose that we talk about, this was the theme I proposed to you, which is Palestine, TPOT, and True Bodhisattvahood.. And it's, I guess in response to a lot of frustrated, angry, maybe righteous and not in a necessarily, in all bad sense. But yeah, in some posts that I've been sharing on X since I don't know it's been ongoing since the October 7th in my case. So I guess I wanted to explore that with you because I consider you to be one of my friends in the TPOT subculture, which we can get into and talk about what that actually is, Uhhuh because it's pretty, and it's it's vagueish, but, or decentralized at least.But it seems like you're well respected in this decentralized subculture and I think I'm part of that as well, but I seem to be taking a very different role from you and how I relate to it, which is a little bit more critical and Challenging and, I haven't found that's really endeared me to many people in the community.But some people like yourself have engaged with my critiques in what feels like a good faith way, and I've really appreciated that. So I thought, it'd be cool to have a, an even more personal conversation where people could see potentially if we decide to release any of this.And I don't know, just the human side of this, which doesn't come across often in 280 characters. Tasshin: Yeah. I appreciate all that context. I think that's really helpful and I think it's good to have a conversation about this. I think that I've been really struck by your perspectives on this and in general, I really value your perspectives and your opinions about the path and about practice and, we've had a number of disagreements over the years, but I've always walked away, like really learning a lot. And yeah, I do try to engage in good faith and I think especially one of the practices I have just for any kind of conflict in general is if I feel like text-based mediums especially can only hold so much.I don't even like to discourse or disagree on Twitter. I use it for other things and it's hey, if I'm, I've said this to you before, if we have a disagreement, let's get on a call and actually talk about it. And because it's just, you can actually hear the other person's perspective and where they're coming from in a way that text just really doesn't afford.So I'm glad we're talking about this. Yeah, I think it's great. Yeah. Vince: And the downside of doing that without recording it and sharing it back, because of course then it's just like a private thing that happens Right, and doesn't necessarily filter out in the same way to the collective. Tasshin: Totally. Totally.SoVince: This is cool. Yeah. Thank you. Tasshin: Do you have any suggestions for where you'd like to start or what feels like a good starting place?Vince: I would be curious to see your take on what TPOT is or how you'd describe that phenomena. I did spend a little bit of time reflecting on it, and I came up with a little, like micro definition, but I don't think it's exhaustive this a starting point.But I'm curious even before sharing that, if there's anything, thoughts on TPOT and what it is, if you've thought, have you meditated on that? How do you can, Tasshin: yeah. I love that and I'm so curious what your definition will be. I suspect it'll be spicier than mine, but I liked what you said earlier about it being a decentralized community.because I, I felt a little bit of trepidation before this conversation for really all three of the things you want to talk about. I feel like, so woefully inexpert in and I really don't know as much as I ought to about the war, and I don't know as much. I, I don't know. I'm not, I'm in TPOT certainly, but I'm not, there's no elected four figure leader or something.It's decentralized, as you said. And then also at the Bodhisattva path, I'm like still figuring it out very right. As we all are so right. But yeah, TPOT, I think for me it's very much about specific people, like their specific friends that I've cultivated very deep friendships with, that I've met through Twitter, and developed those relationships through Twitter and their, I think some of my closest friends at this point are people I've met through Twitter and they're friendships that I treasure and I think it is decentralized.I think it's. Spread throughout the world at this point. Like I can go to any major city and meet people who are connected to this network. And I, like my friend Andrew Rose has been talking about it recently as the network where it's yeah, it's not really about Twitter anymore. And it's not really, it's a larger cloud of people that are connected and I think it's not necessarily ideologically on the same page, like people having the same perspectives or even shared practices.There might be shared interests and common overlaps, but I think people have very different perspectives on the world. And it's more, if anything, I'd say it's like a developmental similarity where, for me at least, it really helped me to, I started to enter TPOT. I could go into detail, but as I was individuating from being at the monastery for many years and it's I mean it from a developmental perspective, it helped me jump from three to four in the Keegan stages where it's like I was in a tribal state of mind identified with the maple ideology and worldview and practices, which was great for me at the time. It really was. And then it's, it stopped being great for me and I had to find a new way and being with so many weirdos from around the world who saw things so differently really helped me to find my own way and find my own life. So I feel a sense of connection and intimacy with it, and like indebtedness to it, where it's these are my people and a help that helped me to find myself in the world.Yeah, that's what TPOT is to me at least. Vince: I like what you're saying about the developmental part. I guess I see the phenomena similarly like this is something that. There's a lot of people coming together, not, like you said, around a particular ideology or like framework.Which is very common. Like a bunch of people come together on a specific book or teacher or teaching or whatever. This is different because there are teachers and teachings that are, you see commonly in that community. But it's pretty broad. Yeah. Tasshin: And you don't have to buy into any of them.I think there are major, if anything there's like themes, like non coercion is a big one or Right. And people bring their own interests and you don't have to be interested in the same things other people are interested in. Vince: But there's something, if you put all those themes together, you'd start to see like broader theme of Absolutely.Yeah. The connection there. Yeah. Which I think you're totally right. It's, there's something maybe developmental underneath that. I was thinking about the book, The Postmodern Condition. Which David Chapman originally recommended to me. He's one of the, he's a TPOT Philosopher.Maybe he wouldn't he probably reject that phrase term, but he is a philosopher and well respected in that space. Tasshin: Sure. Vince:And I remember the the author Jean-François Lyotard, he said, simplifying to the extreme, “I define postmodern as incredulity toward meta narratives.”And I find there's something very postmodern about this community where there's a kind of general skepticism toward meta-narratives, of thinking that like one way of describing reality could be totally comprehensive and true for everyone, everywhere, all the time.And I see that as one of the things I really appreciate about TPOT. In terms of it representing a move out of like the modern condition, which was much more like about trying to find the right ideology and all these clashing Isms, Communism versus Capitalism versus all these kind of clashing religions.Who's got the best, which framework is going to come out on top, and everyone's going to eventually believe it's like some, I see that as the more of the modern condition. And so in that sense it feels like a real relief, to see communities, that are forming around.Around this. And it, I guess that's the reason for me, I always connect my experience of coming up in the integral community, Ken Wilber's community with TPOT because it felt like a very similar kind of vibe there. Where so many people I met were just doing radically different kinds of things.And, there'd be someone who's super into, like spiritual surrender, the lineage of Adi da, who is also like a concert pianist that I'm literally describing an actual person I worked with. And then someone else would be like, super into video production and have no interest in spiritual practice or meditation, but they have a lot of interest in like psychological work.And yeah, I guess that's something I've seen is consistent with the TPOT world. Is this sort of like postmodern incredulity towards meta narratives?Tasshin: How would that fit with it being I've never really understood this, but would you describe TPOT as meta-modern, or not meta-modern.Vince: I guess for me, I would say the center of gravity of TPOT seems to be in the transition between modern to postmodern. Like that I would call that post rational. Because the main mode of modernity is rational individualism. It's this is Ken Wilber's and Jean Gebser's take, but I find that to be true.So people like are questioning the limits of rationality and model making are post rational. I see, and I think as a result they're postmodern. But there's a transition, it's like there's a awkward developmental phase where you're letting go of, the absoluteness of models and you can ken Wilber called it the “performance contradiction.” He said, you can you can absolutize that too, or you can say everything is relative. That statement isn't a relative statement, it's an absolute statement. All perspectives are valid. Okay. That perspective you're saying is more valid than any other perspective, which says that certain perspectives are more valid than others. And so like the whole idea of postmodernity rests on a performance contradiction. That's, or at least the early stages of it where you're deconstructing that mo deconstructive, postmodernism Robert Kegan, would call it.He also has a reconstructive postmodern phase. I don't think TPOT is in the reconstructive postmodern phase, but I think some people in it are. It's like there's a spectrum, within, there's a center of gravity, but there's a spectrum. As well or more, it's like a scatter graph, Uhhuh, where like most of the dots are in the center around this sort of modern to postmodern transition, but then there's like trailing off in both directions.You'll see some people that are more traditional that are there just treating it like a group. I'm sure you saw that probably at Vibe Camp. Probably some people there that are just like. Just drinking the Kool-Aid and don't really, aren't really, maybe vibing in the same way as everyone else.Tasshin: Uhhuh. Vince: And then you find some weird people too that are like aliens even within the space. Who seem to be like a David Chapman I mentioned. He seems like a, an alien to me. Tasshin: An example, Vince: I think he's talking, I think he's a meta-modern Tasshin: thinker.Vince: I don't know.So I, I see a mix, but I mostly see people in the Yeah. Like early postmodern stage, Tasshin: I recently saw a really nice tweet from Mechanical Monk where, which I can link you to later, but he drew this diagram or made like a video of what TPOT is, and he was arguing that like TPOT is a moving target where like i'm thinking of these people. And then you're thinking of these people and there's some overlap, like you and I are both friends with, like Daniel Thorson for example, or. Some other people that we'd have in common, or I know who David Chapman is or whatever. And so there, there's enough overlap that we could be like, oh, we're both pointing at TPOT, but then you don't know some people that I'm pointing to and I don't know some people you're pointing to.And then eventually this is happening more and more. Or people use the acronym TPOT and you're like, I've never seen you. I don't know who you're talking about, and I don't know what you're describing. I think you and I have enough of a shared sense of the thing, but yeah, I thought that was a really good point, that it's not like a homogenous group.Like it has a no, no one likes, this is a very probably like post rat thing to do. Nobody likes labeling it. So it's everyone's unhappy with the term TPOT. Nobody wants to identify as TPOT or as a post rat or whatever. Even the term, Vince: I mean in the phrase the acronym TPOT itself isTasshin: relative and it's like relational.Vince: This part of Twitter. Yeah, no, you're saying it's like a network and I see that. There was a site for a while, I don't know if you saw it, where you could like, you could see the sort of it was like a ranking or listing of the most sort of central, I do remember that inside of a network, it was like the tea, you could pull up TPOT and see a list.I was like, I'm on that list. Which I would, which I would take myself, I would opt out of that list if I could choose to. But it's not a choice as you're part of this network.Tasshin: Yeah. If you know the acronym ar arguably you are in it. It's just once and.Vince: Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So what I hear you saying from like the network perspective is like you, you see it from your point of view of the network. And the network is evolving, it's not static. It continues to grow and change and shift. That's right. So your view of it is changing and shifting with the network.That's right. So you both, you have both a limited view and it of something that's changing. That seems true to me. Which doesn't mean we can't talk about it. Or try to, come up with something useful to say about it. I would describe it this way. I'll tell you how I would describe it.Yeah. Yeah. Let's hear it. Oh boy. I'm not so sure about the last part. No, it's not that bad. So I describe TPOT as a weird, and here I'm using the weird acronym, Western educated, industrialized rich and democratic post rational subculture that's connected by shared interest in self-agency and awareness.Tasshin: That seems good. Something that's popping out to me is just also how much of this is specifically enabled by the internet and Twitter in particular, or I think there's something starting to happen that you could call like a Twitter like Blue Sky is a Twitter or Mastodon is a Twitter. I hope we have other Twitter likes in the future.because as you said, X is becoming fahy. Or to me, the thing that a Twitter is very much like a public library, and then Twitter happens to be a company and it's that has skewed incentives and stuff like that. But any case I'm like, yeah that all, everything you said tracks and then it's I think it is meaningfully enabled by technology, right?And whatever a Twitter like is in particular. Vince: Okay. Yeah. That's good. So that's missing in my description here. I agree. It's enabled by that and there's something too like it. The tech, the technology itself is very postmodern. These platforms and microblogging platforms, like you're getting these really tiny little snippets that are largely decontextualized.And you're just seeing a bunch of decontextualized atomized information flowing constantly through your stream without, you have to put the context together. That's right. The platform itself does not do that. In fact, it, if you're not, if you don't have the capability to do that, it might actually be really problematic because That's Tasshin: true.Vince: Yeah. You don't know. So I'd say it's almost perfectly compliments the subculture, the design of it.Tasshin: That's true. And it makes sense of like why you would feel a resonance with, I wasn't in this myself, but from what I imagine the integral community and then also why that would be different of I imagine Twitter wasn't a huge part of that back then because it, I don't even know what the were, but wasn it wasn't even, it Vince: wasn't, no, Twitter launched the year after I left the Integral Institute. So yeah. It wasn't part of that blogging and podcast or very early, like web two was part of it for sure.But it was primarily an in-person community. It was centered. It was like centered in person and then had a sort of one to many kind of broadcast media kind of web 2.0 media thing to it. So it did look a lot different than that. It occurs Tasshin: to me that, at least in my experience, the technology feels really central to the thing.And the properties you named are almost like emergent or like the kinds of people that would resonate with it or something, or be able to make full use of it or Right. What have you. But it doesn't seem intrinsically necessary, but it does seem to me almost, like that if you have a Twitter, like something like this subculture would arise and I could see different, similar subcultures that had different properties or even an ideology or like different developmental stages or something.But I think that a Twitter is really good at clustering people who can vibe together or relate to each other and in a way that's more emergent. I think a lot about individualism and collectivism and I think that this kind of technology affords the possibility of yeah, basically a Hegelian synthesis of individualism and collectivism where each person can be their own individual, but also be in community with a larger network that respects their individuality, but can coordinate as a whole and.I think Twitter likes uniquely make that possible. And I could see ones that were like clusters that were meaningfully different. You'll see sometimes people talk about this, they're like, maybe there's a whole other cluster that's not connected to us at all that we have no idea about. Almost the I forget what the alien version of that is, but like the likelihood that there's an alien is civilization in any given solar system.It's maybe they're out there. Who knows. Vince: Something like, like the Drake equation would describe the Drake equation, how likely that would be. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. You're using the term Twitter. I don't know if we've talked about this, but I will explicitly not use that term anymore to refer to X, mainly because I think people are confusing the term Twitter with the term microblogging. Huh? Since it was the original Microblogging platform, I think a lot of times we conflate Twitter with Microblogging. And so when you say Twitter, like I, that's another way to me of saying Microblogging.What's Tasshin: important to you there? Vince: It's important to me to stop being so sentimental about Twitter because Twitter's dead and whatever that it was, is gone. But Microblogging is alive and well and it's probably doing better now than when Twitter was alive. So I think it's somehow by being sent sentimental Twitter, we mask our ability to perceive what's happening in broader terms with microblogging. And we potentially overlook a lot of nasty shit happening on X.com as well by doing that. Tasshin: I see. Yeah I tend to use the word Twitter for different, maybe sentimental reasons as you're saying, but it's an intentional use on my term. On my part. And maybe I'll just use the word Twitter and you can use the word X and we can Vince: Yeah, no, it's fine.Proceed accordingly. It's No, it's fine. I just wanted to point that out. Very good. That's a difference in frames. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. This has been very conceptual so far, but I'm curious to bring it a little downward too, because I remember maybe it was like a week after October 7th Hamas attacked civilians in Israel and.I knew from my own experience having grown up in a, as a Palestinian and American household and having watched this to some degree play out over 40 plus years, 40 years at the time that I was like the blow back from this is gonna be 10 x at least. Because that's consistent. Throughout time it's always Israel will respond with 10 times the amount of violent force at least. And so I was like, if you take the numbers, I was like, that's. That's catastrophic. That's gonna be terrible. And so I knew within the first week, and I shared this on X, that this is going to be a genocide.And so for me, this is the perspective I'm coming from is like I've known that a genocide has been going on for, from the beginning. Have known that the intention or that the likely the likely response was gonna be genocidal. And I think there's a lot of debate about whether or not this is I think that debate is now totally foolish from my point of view.You frame this for instance, as a war, I would call it a genocide. I would say the genocide rather than the war. Or the occupation, which more, more accurate description. because a war assumes that there's two countries, two sides that are equivalent and they're at war.But this is rather like a group of people who've been dispossessed and occupied for decades. Who wrongly lashed out and hurt civilians. But who did so from the point of view of being in a one up, one down power position? So like the group of people or Palestinian people, had been occupied, their movements are controlled.Things coming in and out of Gaza were controlled in terms of water, food, et cetera. Many people described it as an open air prison. Including a colleague of mine who lives in Tel Aviv. He described it that way to me one time. And so from my point of view, it's a lot of times people don't understand when they enter into this, the history of this, that just the basic history of occupation.And so to frame it as a conflict between two equals is a, in a way obscures the power. Dynamics at play where, one group has so much more power over the other and has so much more are literally like nuclear power that's backed by the most powerful military in the world. Who has a lock on the un Tasshin: In Vince: terms of our ability to veto the Americans. So it's David and Goliath rather than, two superpowers going to war. So that's one thing I'll just share is just the frame for me of Palestine. And so I'm, I've been seeing it that from the very beginning.And what I've found with, on, on platforms like X and with the community of TPOT is. Just this sort of maddening silence. Or this sort of schizo, in my experience is like a schizophrenic feed, where on the one hand I'm seeing Palestinian activists and intellectuals and people who are I think doing good work at bringing awareness to an ongoing livestream, genocide.And then an another group of folks more in the TPOT space who are kind of sharing their psychotic explorations and talking about their cool practices and giving, challenging takes and all of which has this other very different vibe which is much more self-focused. And and the two of them in contrast really, that's, for me, that's my, that, that's the tension I'm existing in.And I can totally relate to the self. Absorbed interest in my own transformation and wanting to play around. And it, I totally get that because that's where I've been. Like that's my background as well. But it's, yeah, it's maddening to see these two side by side. And I feel like there's so much missed opportunity with TPOT given that it's so influential right now in culture, in our mainstream culture.And so I guess I, I'm saddened by the fact that I don't see that community having really come around to care much about what's happening in these kind of global situations. Like you, you talked about individualism and collectivism. I feel like it's way more skewed toward individualism in the TPOT world than it is collectivism.So I, that's actually a criticism I'd have. I don't feel like they're both ending it at all. But. Anyway. Yeah, that's just a little bit where I'm coming from,Tasshin: I hear you. Just first off, really mourning and grieving the plate of the Palestinian people that's happening and feeling personally connected to that because of your family and watching the news very closely and really actively grieving that, of just the evil that's happening and caring about that and wanting to see that change and end, and seeing that as a genocide, not as a war.And really appreciating people who are speaking up and being vocal about it and trying to work for change to resolve that crisis and. It feeling used the word like schizophrenic to see TPOT, which seems like self-absorbed and individualistic, where it's like people are talking about whatever they're on about, and it's I got this metaphor hearing you talk about it, of someone who's starving, who's like incredibly hungry, and then they're like next to some rich people who are like having like coffee and talking about, some obstru philosophy and you're like, I'm starving.Can you please give me some of your food? There I'm having a real problem here and you're talking about this stuff that really doesn't matter. And yeah, that being really painful and then also a care about you're like, yeah, TPOTs incredibly powerful and culturally powerful and why aren't you talking about this?You should be talking about this so that we can use your power for good and change the world in that way. Vince: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's a naive of me to expect that in some way. So this is where I get a little, this is where I feel the bind. It's on the one hand I intellectually get if this really is developmental as we're describing if this cultural phenomena has a developmental dimension to it, then why would I expect the bulk majority of people who are, coming out of individual rationalism to be focused on anything other than that kind of things are related to that.Who would be well Tasshin: positioned to make a change that had positive effect in the world from a developmental perspective? Vince: That's a good question. I guess anyone could. So maybe the issue isn't the underlying development, but it's the culture, the cultural expression of that. In this case, it's, WEIRD is, I think a good way of putting it, white sorry, Western, but those two are connected, educated, industrialized, rich, and democratic.It feels like a lot of what you're saying is true because we're, we are in this WEIRD culture in the US largely, especially the educated TPOT, whole US is not WEIRD. A lot of, there's a lot of uneducated people and people without access to resources, but but we're having this weird conversation.And meanwhile in the global Commons, we're like you said, right next to people that are posting videos constantly of people being, shot and killed and assassinated executed, like right there, children starving, et cetera. And it's it, this is the critique that Postmodernism has had for a long time of modernity.It's like the colonialist thing. It's like how is it that we have so much privilege to be able to have these conversations in the first place, because we ourselves are living on dispossessed land. Like we ourselves dispossessed the Native Americans to be able to be here, we ourselves brought African slaves from Africa to be able to take care of our cotton mills and our run our agricultural industry.And so we ourselves built a country on those very foundations and we ourselves as Western people escaped persecution in Europe. Our whole history of escaping persecution and then bringing it with us is what's happening with Israel and Palestine, from my point of view, it's the same basic pattern.I think it's hard to see that when you're focused on you Tasshin: On Vince: your individual journey of transformation and without being able to zoom out into these broader collective patterns that are shaping you as much as you are shaping yourself. And I wonder if sometimes, like we overestimate our agency, or we over-index on our agency in this community. That'd be my, I guess my question or challenge to folks. Tasshin: Can you say more about that? The over-indexing on agency? What you mean by that? Vince: Yeah, so like for me the synthesis of the agency, of agency and communion is what I'm most, most interested in right now.Because that schizophrenic split feels like it's a split of these two, where it's like you have people that are high agency and have lots of opportunity and privilege, and then you have people that have extremely low ability to opt to effectively exercise their agency. They barely can get food. So it's like such a huge contrast there. And what's the difference between these two groups of people? Like historically it's the only reason I'm on this side of the street is because my grandfather was able to get into this country in 1950.And he was lucky, essentially. So like the only difference is basically luck of birth. Like where are you born? And we, I think we take so much credit for the stuff that is, has nothing to do whatsoever with us. It's like when Obama, said you didn't build that and everyone fucking flipped out.You don't know if you remember that he was talking about, I don't know, he was talking about infrastructure and there was a huge backlash from the Right. Like we built that, in hyper American individualism. And it's I think, you know what the genocide and Gaza's taught me is I'm just lucky.I'm just lucky because I have cousins who are in the West Bank right now and they're living in concentration camp type environments. Like they, they're scared to leave their home because people around them are getting shot by settlers and, five Palestinian Americans have died in the West Bank this past year.People who are just going over there to visit family. So it's extremely bad right now, even in the West Bank, which is considered to be the more stable of the two Palestinian regions. In Gaza, I have two family members here in North Carolina and Asheville that are mar married into my family. So they're not direct family members, but their spouses, and they both have lost over 200 family members in Gaza. Which is hard for people even in the West to understand, because they don't, we don't come from big families like that where you could even imagine having 200 family members.But yeah, like whole family trees are essentially being wiped out. Yes. Are cut down. So it's, to me it's very, because I'm in both worlds. I'm teaching meditation and I'm hearing about, what's going on for my cousin in the West Bank, and I'm hearing about what's happening for other Palestinians that I know.I'm like, this is, it's a very hard tension to hold. So for me, the synthesis of agency and communion is I can recognize, like I have a certain amount of agency in part because of the communal situation. Like we have a community that optimizes for agency. And it optimizes for agency at the at the negative at the expense of many other communities, agency and has historically and even presently, like a lot of.The opportunities we have are because of they've been taken rather than, it's like not an omni win situation. So I feel like there's a lack of kind of acknowledgement of that, that often in part because you start to feel really bad. And if there's anything I've noticed about TPOT is like, people don't want to feel bad.Like people wanna empower each other and raise each other up. And I think there's something beautiful about that. But to me it's come, it comes at the expense of valid criticism, of being open to hearing valid criticism. And that's the kind of, that's, that adds how I felt. I've been res largely, my, my criticisms have been responded to.It's oh yeah, this is, you're just like it's I'm a downer. I'm like, yeah, sorry. It's fucking, it is a downer. It really is. How do you, I know that's general and broad, but how do you respond to something like that?Tasshin: Can you ask a, I there's a lot of thoughts running through my mind. Can you ask a specific question? Vince: I'm just curious what your general Yeah. Sense of that is.Tasshin: First off, my heart hurts. It hurts to know that violence is happening at scale and it hurts to hear that. And I'm okay hurting.I know, I've done a lot of, I, I can feel that, but it hurts and I feel sad and I feel grief knowing about this travesty that's happening. AndI feel that about a lot of things that I know about in the world now, including this. And that's always,yeah. Hard to be with. And I try to learn how to be with that and, i'm grateful for the opportunity to be reminded of what's happening and to be connected to it. I feel a desire to have change occur that feels like it matters. I would like war, genocide, evil violence to end. I'm a pacifist.My, one of the worst days of my life every year is when I pay taxes. I hate paying my taxes, partly because it's annoying bureaucratically, but even more so because I feel like I'm compromising my own ethics by supporting the US military. And that I every year I decide I'm gonna pay my taxes so that I can contribute, continue to be part of this society in a legal and upright way.I'm not morally opposed to taxes as such, but I am morally opposed to what my government does with those taxes, including I don't know the full extent of this. I'm sure you know much more, but certainly being complicit in this war, genocide, violence, murder. Bombing evil. Yeah. And other evils known and unknown.I know that and I've been around a little bit. So that hurts. That's the first and foremost thing. And I feel for you, having family i's just I went through just a couple years ago my mom dying of cancer, and we knew about it four years before she died, three, four years before she died.And she lived a blessed life, and I felt perfectly ready to let her go. And it was still really hard. And it's imagine my family members being murdered at scale and being starving and being oppressed and in all kinds of ways that I can only imagine. It's that my heart would just be breaking on a daily basis.And I feel for you, my friend, going through that and, for the Palestinian people more broadly, such that I'm connected to them and for all who are subject to war. It's just it's just evil. It's just e that, like you, you wanna call it genocide? I'll just call it evil, like it's, I think violence is evil and war is evil and genocide is evil and bombs are evil and guns are evil.And murder is evil and killing children is evil. And it's just, my heart breaks at that. As far as the other specific things you were saying, I'm reminded of a an argument that I've had or witnessed many times where there's kind of two recurring schools of thought in our culture where how do I summarize this? Because I've seen this in a lot of specific instances, and I don't wanna get into the specific instances, but let's take a simple example like say your relative was a Trump supporter, and you personally didn't vote for Trump and don't want Trump to be president. There are people in our culture at this time who would say the thing to do is to be disconnected from that Trump supporter and to never talk to them and to shame them for who they are and or give them radio silence and cut ties.And that's a whole school of thought that applies to many issues. And then there's a school of thought that says how are you gonna change their mind if you don't stay connected to them, if you don't really understand where they're coming from and listen to them and talk to them and share your own perspective.And I tend to be more in the latter school of thought of connection is the basis of change. Actually hearing other people's perspectives, sharing my own, to the extent that it's possible. And you're not. Beating each other up or whatever shooting at each other. But I think being connected to people is the basis of change.And I'm getting here somewhere here with this, which is to me, I hear you saying, I'm not part of TPOT. These are the people that are in TPOT. They're silent, they have these, I don't know, I hear you talking about like collective blind spots, which I think are very valid. I'm glad you're mentioning them, but it's like those people have the blind spot.And this is their problem. And to me I could be wrong, but think, Vince: It's really the Palestinians problem. They're the ones that are suffering for the collective blind spot. They're suffering a lot more. Tasshin: Yes.I think that. You could usefully see yourself as part of TPOT, and that by staying connected to people in TPOT and speaking to them, you can change their minds. I think you've changed my mind about things about this and had an impact on me and had a causal influence on me. And I see you having that impact on a other people.And I think that if you took that perspective, there's more or less efficacious ways of doing that. Ways that, that, that's a question that's come up for me about this is actually about like theories of change. And just one more thing is I was recently in Santa Fe, my dad moved to Santa Fe and when I was there, there's a lot, my dad is like very near the Santa Fe is the capitol, and he is very near the capitol where the government is.And so there's just always protests there like at least once a week. And I get, I personally, me, Tasshin, get so angry at these protestors because I, in my current worldview, think that their theory of change is just shit. They're like, by going to this place and having a sign, I'm gonna change the world. It, to me, I see that is like by and large, incredibly efficacious and not gonna produce the change that they want.And do I know what the theory, what a theory of change is that would produce it? No, but I am spending all of my time and energy on things that I think will have a positive change in the world. Even if they're not enough, even if they're not direct enough, even if they're not gonna end or resolve all the issues I care about, which are many.I am putting all of my time and energy into things that I believe are efficacious. And presumably they think it's efficacious too. They think this is worth doing because they're doing it. And in a way I'm wrong about it because demonstrably people think that holding a sign in front of a capitol is gonna change the world.But, Vince: It does boost their agency when people protest that's, it's an exercise in agency. Tasshin: I do think there's a critical threshold where if enough people protest something, I can't have a change. Obviously that's happened Vince: Arab Spring. Tasshin: Exactly. So it's not, it's definitely not useless. But my point to you as an individual that I care about as my friend, is I think you're actually incredibly well positioned to have a cultural impact on this group that you already are connected to, and that there are more or less efficacious ways of doing that.Like this conversation is efficacious, right? We're having a real conversation between two people who respect each other. We're recording that so that other people can listen. I think that's actually likely to produce the change that you're desiring to some extent. Is it gonna it's hard to say.Vince: It's hard to say. I hear what you're saying. Yeah, I think you and I have talked about this in the past too. I have, some of the biggest changes I've been through have come through people challenging me even violently. And my whole upbringing, as you can hear, it's rooted in violence. Yes. So it's like the story of my family.Is one of resilience in the face of violence, Tasshin: Uhhuh. So this is the recurring thing we always argue about. Yeah. Or one of the several things. Vince: Yeah. It's an, it's like in a place where we rub, I think, but Yeah. But it's understandable. So I'm a little more Okay. Ruffling feathers and even having active conflict with people because I know that sometimes that's actually good.Sometimes if you're too nice, people won't hear you. If you have something powerfully challenging to say, it will just be like, oh yeah, that's nice. And I can just incorporate that into my worldview and feel good about knowing about it, but actually not really be doing anything significantly differently.So it's like a, I don't know, this is in the abstract, but. Tasshin: There's two things there. What there's one is, which is like, how nice are you? And I actually do honestly believe that you would be more efficacious at seeing the changes you want to see, at least in the local community if you were nicer.In addition to being kind. I do think you're kind, that's not an issue. But separately from that, like you, one of the things we talked about recently on the timeline was you're like, I've just been considering blocking people left and right. And I think that Oh, I have been blocking them lost.Exactly. Vince: I've lost half of my friend network in the last year. Tasshin and so that's where I am. So here let me push back a little bit. I lo yeah. I lo I love what you're saying, but I don't think it's my job to do that. I think it's your job to do that, to, to be the one that can be nice and change people's minds on this topic.Tasshin: Oh, that's true. It is my job. You're right. I Vince: agree with you. Yeah, because because I'm too close to it. It's too painful for me. Like people start saying stuff to me. It is like I'm hearing them deny the entire, like truth of my whole identity, my family identity. It's no, like this is true.I'm not, I'm gonna have argue with you like you are dehumanizing me and everyone that's Palestinian right now. Even by having an argument, having even framing this as a debate, is there a war going on? Who's responsible? Et cetera. So it's like what I find is I want to keep talking because I want, it's like the Buddha, he's, and I'm comparing myself to the Buddha here.I know he is gonna fly really well, there, there's an analogy here where he's I'm awake. Okay. Who can I, teach this to, very few are gonna understand it. Because it's subtle and hard to get grasp. My companions, the ones I was practicing with they seem like they'll get it.They have very little dust in their eyes. So I guess I see my role as really more like the people that have very little dust in their eyes. Maybe I can reach them. What's the difference Tasshin: in this case between someone who has dust in their eyes and someone who doesn't, from your perspective?Vince: Are they, yeah. Are they awake to their complicity in a gen, in an active livestream? Genocide? Are they aware? I pay Tasshin: my taxes and, Vince: That's part of it. That's part of it. Yeah. It's like paying taxes. You, like you said, you can't really stop paying your taxes.My uncle did that. Went to prison. I actively Tasshin: choose Vince: to pay Tasshin: my taxes. I think I could stop paying my taxes. Could, I'm saying every year I considered you can do that. Vince: I seriously Tasshin: consider it. Every you'll to prison. Every year. Vince: You'll, you will go to prison. Tasshin: Yeah, exactly. And I believe I can have more impact, positive impact on the world by paying my taxes and not, and I, every, it's a trade off.Literally every year I make this decision again. Vince: Yeah. So it's, to your point, it's not it's not like a black and white thing where it's like. I'm complicit in this very obvious way that I'm just choosing not to. It's, it, the complicity is deep and it's multidimensional, subtle and Tasshin: systemic and multi-generational.And even, Vince: and yeah, and for me it's I was hanging out with a couple of my cousins recently who are from Palestine. They immigrated here in the early nineties when Palestinians were kicked out of Kuwait. And so they were here, they had to rebuild their life. They lost everything. And I grew up with them.And they're doing advocacy work now in the us And when I hear them, talk about their experience, it's like they're being, they're dealing with shit that I'm not having to deal with. Like one of my cousins recently lost her job. She was a high level exec at a tech company in San Francisco.And she thinks it's likely that she lost it because of her advocacy work within the company. So when I guess when I see. I've lost the thread a bit here in terms of connecting back to what we were talking about. But where was I going with that? Tasshin: You were saying something as my job as being TPOT versus your job.Vince: So like when I talk to, say I'll talk to my great uncle my grandfather's brother who grew up in Palestine, and I'll hear the kinds of things that he'll share. And like I, I don't have those kind of views. Like he's extreme compared to me in terms of like how he's viewing things.This is my interpretation. There's a definitely antisemitic tendencies in, in the family system that I've seen explicit and I understand why. Like I have a lot of compassion. I don't actually let it stand. I challenge it when it arises. Even now. This is this uncle I'm talking about.It's his family and his daughter that's in the West Bank right now. He's considering going to visit her in a couple months. He might get shot and killed while he is there. It's quite possible. For me it's like I, I see I can listen to him and I can hear him talk about stuff and I can sort through the pain and the antisemitism to hear, some of the, what's genuine and sincere and I can be there for him.And then I feel like I can reach out and connect with some people and share my pain and what I'm going through and, offer challenges or whatever to some folks. Recently right after September October 7th someone from he lives in Israel. He is American. We have the same background lineage of a pasta tradition.He invited me on to, to have a dialogue about this about what was happening. And and then after our we split, and we're not able to have any conversations anymore. Because some of the things I saw him writing on X and so the perspectives that he seemed to be taking, and we got to a point where we pulled in a mutual mentor someone someone who's like a master mediator.And their basic feedback was like, sometimes you can't have a conversation. Sometimes it's just not possible. And I feel like that's where I'm getting largely, it's it's just not possible for me to have a conversation with a lot of people right now. Because of how 10 how sensitive this is. And so you say, when you say to or I hear if you were kind or if you were nicer, you'd be more efficacious, if I were able to be, I would. But I'm not. Tasshin: And the second part of what I was saying there is that when you block people, you are closing yourself off from the possibility of changing them.And from what I've just heard from, and I'm okay with that. Yeah, exactly. That makes a bit more sense to me now from what you've said. But Vince: I'm not gonna change a Zionist's mind, I don't think, someone who's like a, Christian or Jewish Zionist, I don't think I'm gonna change their mind by sharing something on like a micro blog.Tasshin: That, one of the really urgent questions for me here is what is a theory of change that produces genuine end to war violence, genocide? What actually resolves that? Actually because if I let me figure out how to put this. I am currently putting my time and energy.Into the things that I think I can do that will have the highest benefit from my current understanding and vantage point. I literally spend every day of my life waking to sleeping, doing the thing that I think is best based on my, admittedly flawed, limited perspective, my own weaknesses and blind spots.But I do that every day. Every day. And if I thought that I could lead to the end of war, genocide, violence, evil in a scaled way I would work much harder to bring that about. I'd have to think about how it fits into all the things I'm doing and balance. But I really wanna know how someone like, I, I would hope for example, that the service guild at some point will have a peace department.Currently, we, as we have a love department, a curiosity department, an empowerment department. I would love for us to have a peace department. I want other departments, us to be able to have infrastructure for other focused crews. At some point it's the Peace Department should be bringing about peace.And I don't know how to do that. Even peace Pilgrim my hero, she spent 30 years working in the way that she knew how for peace. And I don't think she wasted her time far from it. But there is still not peace on earth after her doing that. Vince: Sure. Some of this reminds me, has echoes of the effect of al altruism movement.Yeah.Tasshin: I think they I feel how to put this, I have different aesthetic and ideological views with them on specific points, but I feel very sympathetic to their larger efforts and yeah, what do we actually do to actually have a real impact? I feel very I feel kinship with that, even if there's specific things I disagree with or don't vibe with.So yeah, that's noted. Vince: Yeah, I think if we were to zoom, like not to take the two global perspective of like, how do we stop all genocide, war, et cetera. And that's a good question, but to me it's like, how do we stop this specific one that's happening right now, Tasshin: Uhhuh.Like how, Vince: Because that's sure. So how do we stop it? Obviously you Tasshin: don't have to know, but what a different way of putting the question that's maybe a bit more reasonable. I think it, it's very Vince: noble. Like you, you stop Israel from killing Palestinians. That's how it, okay. And what leads Tasshin: to that causally?Vince: Probably having a Palestinian state would be a necessary part of that. And what leads to that? The US has to stop vetoing it in the us. And what leads Tasshin: to that? Vince: They change in US leadership and change. And what leads to that? People putting pressure and voting and grassroots organ organizing.Ah, that's Tasshin: where you lose me. Vince: Yeah. Look at look at Zohran Mamdani. He's a good example of how that's actually happening right now in the, he's the only candidate, like major candidate that I've seen recent in recent times. Progressive candidate who's actually vocal about this, who isn't on the, both parties, Kamala Harris and Donald Trump both supported the ongoing genocide. They're equally complicit. Tasshin: So basically we should or not leaders that are clear this in your perspective. What I'm hearing is Yeah. Yeah. The salient thing is elect leaders who are clear that this is a genocide who will end us complicitness and help and who are focused on economic populism.Vince: because our country really need, we need that right now. Tasshin: You lost me there. How does, what does that have to do with ending this genocide? Vince: You could it's both and so it's if you look at, this is a good example, I think part of, I grew up in the as probably you did too, in the.In the fading years of the political consensus between the neo-conservative and neoliberal parties, Tasshin: Uhhuh, Vince: who largely agreed on most everything, Tasshin: Uhhuh. Vince: They were both totally fine with military expansion. They were both fine with free trade agreements that hollowed out rural America and towns like in North Carolina, textile towns.Yeah. To save 5 cents, on a shirt made in Vietnam, we're totally fine letting an entire communities die, In towns we haul it out. So it's that kind of mentality, it's like what I grew up in and, it's like the arguments were mostly like stylistic. It's which style of the same ideology do you prefer?Tasshin: Coke versus Pepsi Vince: Ex. Exactly right. Coke and Pepsi. And Obama. He was, you fit right into this. He was not a departure, he was a rhetorician. Tasshin: Yeah,Vince: he sounded like a departure, but wasn't so true. Bestie. Yep. I think when I look at it in those terms, I say, okay what is so interesting about Donald Trump and the MAGA movement?It is actually presenting an alternative to the previous consensus. And I, the way I see American politics right now, and I could be wrong, is there's an emerging, there's a new emerging polarity. That alt left and right, quote unquote yeah, gosh, ne neo fascism and neo progressivism.And there's, and are you saying Tasshin: neo progressivism is the answer here? Vince: I'm, no, I'm not actually Uhhuh. Okay. Although, because some neo fascists don't want us to be sending money to Israel, Tasshin: Uhhuh, Vince: Marjorie Taylor Greene there, there's been a number that recently people who are like, why are we sending billions of dollars to Israel every year when we can't even take care of our own people?Yeah. And so I agree with that Uhhuh, what I actually think is emerging and has to emerge as an alt middle. It's a new. Consensus. And that alt middle will almost certainly not wanna continue propping up an American em military empire. Both alt-right and alt left. That's something they agree on.They don't want to be constantly waging endless wars. They don't wanna be always sending all of our money into our military budget. And is Tasshin: that connected to the populism you're talking about? Vince: Yeah, it is. Okay. It's a it's a strand of populism that's interested in retracting the American Empire and not continuing to create so many problems abroad.And who recognizes that doing so hurts us at home, Uhhuh, and because these things are interconnected. I see. Tasshin: Okay. Thank you for explaining that. Can I recount what I heard just now? Your, I, our, a shared goal that we have is we would like this war, genocide, violence, evil to end. We'd like it to end.And the way that comes about is Israel stops doing what it's doing. And the way that comes about is Palestine is a state and the US stops vetoing certain things at the un. And the way that happens is there's political pressure on the US to show up in a different way. And you're saying that the way that happens is we elect politicians who are want that course of action and also care about this populism and the relationship of how we're spending our money at home.Yeah. And the way that we do that is get involved in local political movements that support candidates that have that perspective. Vince: I think that's one of the most direct ways that uhhuh, that we can as Americans affected this. I'll tell Tasshin: you right now, I, I need to do due diligence on learning more about this, but I will very seriously both take that into consideration for my own voting and then also in how I speak about voting to my friends and people I'm connected to.That's not much. But this is more. That's what I really care about. I wanna make sure that whatever actions I take, I am that I can see. It matters to me that I can see how there could be a causal chain where this actually results in the things that we want, if that makes sense.I don't know why that matters to me so much, but it does. Vince: Yeah. Okay. We haven't talked about Bodhi Safa hood yet. Yes. So maybe I could bring that in. Yeah. Tasshin: Thank God, please. Someone helped me. Yeah. Vince: I don't know if you, it's a Tasshin: struggle out here. Vince: I don't know if you've heard this quote from Ujima Roshi Japanese Zen teacher.He said a Bodhi Safa is an ordinary person who acts like a true adult. Tasshin: I had never heard that before, but I love it. And what does true adult mean to you? Vince: I think a true adult is someone who sees a problem and they respond to it. And. A true adult recognizes the complexity of the situation and acts anyway with that with incomplete information with whatever resources and ability that they have while acknowledging that they're limited.So that's a start. True adult cares about themselves and others. I could even, I could actually inhabit as a true adult. I both take care of my life at home and I care about the impacts that that the country and systems I'm embedded in are having in the world. That I'm causal in, that I have some causal influence over, even if it's minimal.Tasshin: You know what I'm reminded of Vince is video game levels and I feel like. It seems it seems cr crass to pick levels, but I feel like, I don't know, let's say a level eight Bodhi Safa I'm not level one anymore. I'm not even level five anymore, but I feel acutely, like I'm really only level eight and I think it's gonna there are 10 Vince: levels aren't there In this game?I, oh no. Bodhi the boomie, the boom. No.Tasshin: I know what you're talking about. But also that's not the measurement system I'm using. Okay. You're not, Vince: it's not a traditional boomy model. No. Tasshin: I'm thinking like, I never played it, but like World of Warcraft, I'm pretty sure 80 is like a threshold in World of Warcraft.It's I'm pretty sure you need like a level 60 or 70 Bodhi Safa to have global systemic change at the level that's needed for the thing we're talking about. And I'm like I know if I have a friend that has a mental health crisis, like I'm struggling to barely be able to support them in a meaningful way.Like I'm embarrassed by how. Incompetent. I am at even that helping one person that's having a mental health crisis. Like I can help a little bit, but like I know someone who's an extended network right now is having their partner's having a major schizophrenic episode and I'm like, here, I can send you a link that might help you.That's that's so pathetic. That is so disgustingly pathetic for actually having an impact in the world. It's humiliating to admit, but here we are because there's real suffering and you have to do whatever we can to help. And so I would like to it would be great if I ended this year as a level nine Bodhi, that would be awesome.And do I want to have global systemic positive change on a historic scale? Absolutely. I hope that every passing year I'm more and more capable of. Large scale, positive impact, and I'm just so acutely aware of how incompetent I am and how limited I'm really doing everything I can to have a positive impact at the scale that I can right now.And it's it's pathetic and humiliating in the context of this larger suffering. I'm fine with that. I'm not embarrassed to say that, but it is humbling, it's it's not nearly good enough. And I think the more acquainted you are with how much suffering there is in the universe, the more humbled you are by that, by one's own incompetence to, and then you do, that's the Bodhi SA of vows, anyway, is just to be like greed, hatred, and end without end like vow to end it. Like you just, you get up and do something anyway. Vince: Yeah. I've. There's a distinction that's commonly made in like a, I would call it like in the woke pluralistic cultural scene of like intention versus impact.And that's an important distinction when you're starting to get into questions of race and racialization, because people will say things with a good intentions that hurt other people because they're ignorant of the impact that has for someone else. And here I think it's I think of that too with what you're saying, where it's okay yeah, like I want to become a, be a more impactful Bodhi Safa.I want to have a more net positive impact in the world. And on the one hand yeah, I could say, like you're saying it, I feel humbled and maybe embarrassed by how ineffectual I am. And. I also feel humble about the fact that I don't know the impact that I'm having. I don't understand it. And I feel like this is really, you probably have had a similar experience putting media out into the worlds, like with Buddhist geeks when we launched that, the hundreds and hundreds of people that I heard from over the years who are like, that had such a powerful impact on my life.And I'm like wow, okay. I, that was definitely not what I was aiming for. I was just doing something I thought was cool at the time. Honestly. And so that wasn't even necessarily my intention, but that was the impact. And so I'm amazed, I am amazed at how effective people can be without even knowing it. It's like hard sometimes. Hard to know. It's hard to measure. And that's where I would say it's the challenge here with what you're saying is I want to see if I'm effect. You have to be able to measure the effectiveness to be able to know, and we can't fully measure, we can get better at measuring, like we can maybe get more sophisticated in seeing and understanding our impact both negative and positive.But it's really difficult without going into you really have to have an understanding of the whole to be able to see your individual impacts on the whole. And I don't know, where am I going with this? Just to say there's some kind of feedback loop here that I think is like what the Bodhi Safa is driven by.It's like constantly coming back to. A wise or compassionate intention. And then do trying your best to live from that place, even if you're, not effectual. And then doing your best to understand the impacts of your actions So that, you can, that can inform how you act the next time that you're trying to be, coming from this place of genuine wisdom and compassion. And there's some kind of sharpening of like skillful means that happens in this feedback loop. Tasshin: Yeah. Vince: And to me, it's like the Bodhi Safa is one who's engaged in the pro in that process rather than Yes. Then there are different levels then are depths or degrees of skillfulness.And probably in different domains too.Tasshin: Yeah, of course. Multiple axes. Vince: So I hear what you're saying and I think that's valid. Like it isn't up to any, I don't think it's up to individuals to solve the global challenges.Tasshin: No, but I'm also like, I'm aware that I think I am I was just humble, so now I can be a little arrogant.I think I'm uniquely well-suited to create systems that actually do have causal impact on the historic scale over time. It just takes a long time and it takes very careful thought and a lot of care and consideration and love and effort. And so I would like to build systems that have a net positive historic impact on the scale of humanization.And as far as I can tell I'm playing my cards that way, where like I would really hope that if we fast forwarded 30 or 40 years, we would be like, Hey. The Service Guild did really good stuff that was net positive on human society and our civilization and the planet. And of course there'll be fuckups along the way where we mess up and I make just dumb mistakes and whatever.But I would hope that it's net positive and that it has a genuinely historic obvious impact on the world that was positive. So that's part of why my care, that's why I would wanna have this conversation at all, is like, how can I build systems that actually do have that kind of impact on ending, yeah.Including ending violence of all kinds and this conflict, this genocide, this war, this evil in particular. Vince: Yeah. I think that's a great intention. I, there's like a, there's a quote in the Bava Gita that's coming to mind. I can't remember the exact quote, but it's some, something about acting without any thought of results or it's happens in that famous dialogue between Krishna and Arjuna. Yeah, there's Tasshin: a difference in da I, I've been influenced a lot by DAAs strategy, and they talk a lot about the difference between means ends and conditions, consequences.And we're really trying to create the conditions for good consequences. So can I guarantee that we would have a particular result? Absolutely not, but absolutely not. But I think we can create the conditions for historic benevolent beneficent impact.Vince: It's interesting you're talking about a guild. Because to me it's I think of the Bodhi Safa as a more of like a. A relational phenomena. Tasshin: It's Vince: Team Bodhi Safa. Rather than a Bodhi Safa.And so it seems like a lot of the challenge here is around coordinating and connecting and aligning, collective alignment. And these are the things I think are very hard for people who've been trained to individuate and who are focused on their own agency. John Vey, the philosopher, he points out like when you take role, you are rolling yourself into that. You're losing a certain kind of agency by inhabiting a role, say role of father, role of teacher role of whatever you're limiting yourself in that role.And, but, and yet you have to play roles in cult in community Tasshin: to do anything. Yep. Vince: So I guess, yeah I don't know where to go from there. From here. Tasshin: I would summarize our conversation so far as follows. TPOT such as it is an emergent developmental p

In this episode, artist and cultural activist Melvin Jarman dives into "The Art of Enlivenment," exploring the intersections of creative thought, spiritual awakening, and personal transformation. Drawing on the ideas of Rudolf Steiner and Jean Gebser, Jarman discusses how living thinking connects with artistic expression and social change. Joined by insights from Bonnita Roy as a great influencer to his personal path and his research on organizational development as well as the art of cookery as a metaphor for transformative processes, this conversation weaves together creativity, consciousness, and community-building. Tune in for a rich dialogue that bridges thought and action, art and spirit.  In this inaugural episode of *Roots of Enlivement*, host Cordula Frei engages in a deep and thought-provoking conversation with guest Melvin Jarman. Together, they explore the alchemy of cooking, the process of renaturing, and the wisdom of thinkers like Bonnita Roy, Jean Gebser, and Rudolf Steiner. The discussion illuminates the concept of "enlivened thinking" in response to times of crisis, offering fresh perspectives on how we sense-make and reconnect with the world around us. The episode invites listeners to reconsider the nocturnal, feminine aspect of the psyche, an archetype that calls us back to our origins and primordial trust. Frei and Jarman share their personal journeys in embracing this process, providing insights into how this deepened connection can foster resilience and creativity. As the first in a series of dialogues on ecology, psychology, and creativity, this episode sets the stage for a rich exploration of our inner and outer worlds.  Featured guest:  “My name is Melvin and I work mainly as a chef, consultant and coach around the core theme of being regenerative, both in how we act in the world as individuals, and in how our organizations are operated. My work is centred around learning and applying the challenging and enlivening ideas and practices laid out by Rudolf Steiner and Jean Gebser, and thinkers who have developed their work further such as Bernard Lievegoed, and contemporaries such as Jeremy Johnson.

Tony Nec was born and grew up in Malawi, a small country in southeast Africa, in 1957. As a teenager, he attended a school in England run by Catholic monks where he first experienced the power of Gregorian chant. While at university in the 1970s, he was inspired by Tibetan monks to participate in a structured meditation program, involving visualisation, mantra chanting and silence. In the mid-1980s he participated in various workshops and personal development courses, including mountaineering with the Outward Bound Trust and shiatsu with Elaine Liectie in Glasgow, Scotland. Between 1988 and 1981 he studied for a Diploma in Shiatsu and Oriental Medicine in Bristol, England with Keith Philips. He also holds a Certificate in Meta-Coaching from the International Society of Neuro-Semantics led by Michael Hall and a Diploma in Sacred Sound Therapy from the Colour of Sound Institute (now called The Sound Healing Academy) with Rachael Burnett. He has been involved with the Integral movement since 1995, following the work of Jean Gebser, Ken Wilber, Marilyn Schlitz and Jorge Ferrer, among others. He studied Integral Transformative Practice with George Leonard at the Esalen Institute, Big Sur, California and Theory U with Otto Scharmer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Boston. Tony also studied intensively over 5 years with Rob Preece, a psychotherapist, artist, Buddhist meditation teacher and author, based in Devon, England. In 2011 Tony co-founded Wise and Thrive , an international company based in England and is the Principal of The Sound Healing Academy and co-director of The Sound Therapy Shop. The Sound Healing Academy (SHA) is an international educational project, teaching Integral Sound Healing. It delivers self-care and professional practitioner training globally, both online and in-person. Tony lives with his wife and business partner, Jane Satchwell, on a small organic farm in Cornwall, England. https://www.academyofsoundhealing.com/ https://istasounds.org/events-conferences/ Natalie Brown: http://www.soundshealstudio.com http://www.facebook.com/soundshealstudio http://www.instagram.com/nataliebrownsoundsheal http://www.youtube.com/soundshealstudio Music by Natalie Brown, Hope & Heart http://www.youtu.be/hZPx6zJX6yA This episode is sponsored by The Om Shoppe. The OM Shoppe & Spa offers a vast array of Sound Healing and Vibrational Medicine tools for serious professionals and for those ready to make sound and vibration part of their ongoing lifestyle. More and more we are coming to understand that our individual wellness is a direct reflection of our personal vibration. How we care for ourselves, our physical bodies, our minds and our spirits. The OM Shoppe is ready to help you today in a variety of ways. They offer the countries largest showroom of Quartz Crystal Singing bowls, sound healing instruments and vibrational medicine tools. If you are ready to uplevel your sound healing practice The OM Shoppe is a great place to get guidance and direction. They are available to consult with you directly by phone or you can shop online. They really enjoy getting to know their clients and customers one on one to better help recommend the right sound healing tools in the right tones for you. Call them today or visit them at http://www.theomshoppe.com. If you are ever near Sarasota, Florida, do consider stopping in and visiting with them or enjoy a luxury spa treatment such as sound healing, energy work, massage, vibroacoustics or hypnotherapy. They truly offer a full holistic experience for practitioners and those seeking healing through natural means.

How does the practice of law ever intersect with the Tarot, astrology and numerology?Learn how the mix of the metaphysical and legal worlds can protect you and your family's sovereign rights and why the empowerment of women matters for the future of the planet, this week on Spirit Gym with Julie Richards, the Crunchy Legal Lady.Discover more about Julie's legal expertise on her website where you can find multiple FREE guides on how to protect yourself from government overreach and find her on Instagram here and here. For Spirit Gym listeners: Save 25 percent on Julie's astrological services at her Lyla Sage website by mentioning you heard about her work on Spirit Gym. (Special offers from Living 4D guests are time-sensitive and at their discretion to redeem after 30 days.)Take a deeper dive into the planetary alignments that will influence our world in pivotal ways, the worship of extremism and some predictions about the 2024 election cycle by becoming a Spirit Gym subscriber at… Timestamps1:57 What's crunchy?6:17 The big legal gap.18:30 Human + spirit.20:43 Should any religion protect you from medical mandates?35:41 The importance of women.43:06 “I practice numerology often as a timekeeping system.”47:14 The spiral and twist of the law.52:35 Having and using the right tools helps and unites people.58:03 Becoming more sovereign and independent.1:05:09 The number 33.ResourcesUnited States v. Seeger 1965 (place parallel test for religion)Paul's Living 4D podcast on Lucifer-Christ-AhrimanGroff v. DeJoy 2023 (protects religious accommodations)The work of Jean Gebser and David BohmStockholm syndromeFarmMatchFind a SpringFind more resources for this episode on our website.Thanks to our awesome sponsors:PaleovalleyBiOptimizers US and BiOptimizers UK PAUL10Organifi CHEK20CHEK Institute HLC 1 online Wild PasturesWe may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.

Why is transforming time the most urgent task? I examine this through the works of Jean Gebser, Rudolf Steiner, Byron Katie, Jeff Vandermeer, Alejandro Jodorowsky, Emmanuel Swedenborg, and more.

A Secret History of Consciousness: By Gary LachmanHear it Here - https://bit.ly/3SujrCphttps://www.amazon.com/dp/1584200111For the last four centuries, science has tried to account for everything in terms of atoms and molecules and the physical laws they adhere to. Recently, this effort was extended to try to include the inner world of human beings. Gary Lachman argues that this view of consciousness is misguided and unfounded. He points to another approach to the study and exploration of consciousness that erupted into public awareness in the late 1800s.In this “secret history of consciousness,” consciousness is seen not as a result of neurons and molecules, but as responsible for them; meaning is not imported from the outer world, but rather creates it. In this view, consciousness is a living, evolving presence whose development can be traced through different historical periods, and which evolves along a path to a broader, more expansive state. What that consciousness may be like and how it may be achieved is a major concern of this book.Lachman concentrates on the period since the late 1800s, when Madame Blavatsky first brought the secret history out into the open. As this history unfolds, we encounter the ideas of many modern thinkers, from esotericists like P. D. Ouspensky, Rudolf Steiner, and Colin Wilson to more mainstream philosophers like Henri Bergson, William James, Owen Barfield and the psychologist Andreas Mavromatis. Two little known but important thinkers play a major role in his synthesis―Jurij Moskvitin, who showed how our consciousness relates to the mechanisms of perception and to the external world, and Jean Gebser, who presented perhaps the most impressive case for the evolution of consciousness.An important contribution to the study of consciousness ... a must-read.

Jean Gebser fue un hombre de ciencia y artes como un místico, filósofo, lingüista y poeta suizo que describió las estructuras de la conciencia humana. Gesber tuvo gran influencia en pensadores como Daniel Pinchbeck, Owen Barfield, Rudolf Steiner, Colin Wilson y Jurij Moskvitin. Hugo Enomiya-Lassalle, Daniel Kealey, Georg Feuerstein, Eric Mark Kramer entre otros.

Do you think a lot about the mysteries that lie beyond the mundane matrix of daily living and why things happen, often against humanity?Begin to pierce the veil of the matrix with guidance from Paul and his special guest, filmmaker, actor, author and truth-seeker Sean Stone, in this exploratory Living 4D conversation.Learn more about Sean and his work on his website where you can learn more about his writings, his workshops — Heart Magic and The Art of Success — and book a consultation. Watch his six-part documentary series, Best Kept Secret, on Vimeo.Check Sean out on social media via Patreon, Facebook, Instagram, beeyou.tv and Twitter.TimestampsWhat do you consider weird? (5:31)Conspiracy theories. (10:54)A near-death experience that's like seeing through the matrix. (22:10)Sean's first hallucinogenic experience with mushrooms in a church linked to the Hellfire Club. (30:21)The universe desires change. (43:45)“Earth is the heart domain.” (1:00:58)The need for relationships. (1:17:56)Deprogramming your belief systems so you can get to a place of intuition. (1:32:07)ResourcesBuzzsaw with Sean Stone on GaiaDoppelganger: A Trip Into The Mirror World by Naomi Klei The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi KleinJFK by Oliver StoneMachine elves/DMT elvesConan the BarbarianThe work of Robert E. Howard, Jean Gebser, Rick Straussman and HafizPaul's Living 4D podcast on The Danger of Living in Two RealitiesFind more resources for this episode on our website.Thanks to our awesome sponsors:PaleovalleyBiOptimizers US and BiOptimizers UK PAUL10Organifi CHEK20CHEK InsideWild PasturesNedPique LifeWe may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.

In today's very special podcast we will re-air a discussion that was originally recorded and produced by our good friends at the East-West Psychology Department of the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) for their own program, the East-West Psychology Podcast (https://east-westpsychologypodcast.com/). The discussion itself is an introduction to a set of two conferences to be held at the California Institute of Integral Studies in celebration of “150 Years of Sri Aurobindo, the Pioneer of Integral Consciousness.” The conferences will take place over the course of a week, starting on September 23, 2023 and concluding on September 30. This discussion is hosted by the East-West Psychology Podcast producers, Stephen Julich and Jonathan Kay. In this conversation, Circle for Original Thinking host and current Jean Gebser Society president, Glenn Aparicio Parry is a guest, along with Debashish Banerji, Chairman of the East-West Psychology Department. We hope this program will provide our listeners with some background on these very important conferences, and the life and work of Sri Aurobindo (1872-1950) who was the key figure in the development of a form of spiritual practice he called  “integral yoga,” as well as the life and work of the Swiss philosopher and visionary, Jean Gebser, author of the magnum opus, The Everpresent Origin. THE CONFERENCES: The first conference, “Sustainability and Contemplative Civilization: The Integral Vision of Sri Aurobindo,” organized by the East-West Psychology Department (EWP) and the Asian Contemplative and Transcultural Studies concentration (ACTS), will engage with the possibilities, problems and potential of a sustainable civilization based on a contemplative praxis of deep relationality and extended identity as implicit in the vision and teaching of Sri Aurobindo and as explicit in the experimental community of Auroville.   The second conference, “The Emergence of Integral Consciousness: Jean Gebser, Sri Aurobindo, Carl Jung, Teilhard De Chardin,” organized by the Jean Gebser Society, will address the coming integral age as foreseen by Gebser, Aurobindo, Jung, and Teilhard de Chardin. Each of these visionary thinkers in their own way foresaw the emergence of a new structure of consciousness beyond the limits of rational thought. Debashish Banerji is a Bengali scholar and Haridas Chaudhuri Professor of Indian Philosophies and Cultures and the Doshi Professor of Asian Art at CIIS. He is also the Program Chair for the East-West Psychology department. Prior to CIIS, he served as Professor of Indian Studies and Dean of Academics at the University of Philosophical Research in Los Angeles, CA.Stephen Julich is currently core faculty in the East-West Psychology Department at the California Institute of Integral Studies where he teaches classes Jungian Depth Psychology and Western Mysticism, Magic and Esotericism.Jonathan Kay is a transcultural musician, and is currently a PhD student in the department of East-West Psychology at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco under the mentorship of Dr. Debashish Banerji.We wish to again state our very deep gratitude to the people at the East-West Psychology Department and the California Institute of Integral Studies for the critical work that they do every day, and their generosity in sharing the content of this episode with Circle for Original Thinking. For more information about the conferences:https://www.ciis.edu/events/150-years-of-sri-aurobindo-pioneer-of-integral-consciousnessAlso please visit:https://www.ciis.edu/https://www.ciis.edu/academics/department-east-west-psychologyhttps://east-westpsychologypodcast.com/https://gebser.org/www.jonathankay.ca

In this episode Deandra sits down with singer song-writer Alana Levandoski.  Alana has a remarkable way of transforming complex concepts and experiences into songs that speak to your heart and bones.  Her recent work, CIANALAS/TÃSKNOTA is being released under a new name MEDIATRI XXX. This Folk Opera resonates deeply with listeners as its story is both our history and our present.  Alana, a scholar at heart, has so much to offer and yet they are just breaking the surface in this conversation. In this episode they discuss:- Living the life of an artist and mother in a non conventional way - Her journey in the music industry and her eventual exit - Her time in a monastery which birthed a new musical path   - Western Mysteries versus state religion - The importance of nuance in these cultural and political times- The creation of art  without an agenda - The loss and then the remembering of our stories - Her Folk Opera: CIANALAS/TÃSKNOTA ALANA:MEDIATRI XXX SpotifyInstagram: @themediatrixMEDIATRI XXX FacebookAlana Levandoski SpotifyAlana Levandoski FacebookSUBSTACKDEANDRA:SpotifyInstagram: Deandra.dey.musicCounselling at Grit and Growth WellnessRESOURCES:Ever-Present Origin by Jean Gebser

 For all of the time the tens millions of fans spend watching football every week, very few truly understand the grueling toll it takes on the bodies and souls of the people who play it.Eben Britton shares his journey from enduring early family chaos and alcoholism to becoming an NFL starter along the offensive line and what happened after he walked away in this honest Living 4D conversation.Learn more about Eben on his website and social media via YouTube, Instagram and Twitter. Listen to his podcast, The Eben Flow, wherever you download your podcasts.TimestampsProfessional football: A ballet of violence. (6:00)Eben discovers a new and safer healing modality on IR: Cannabis. (19:12)Playing left guard in the NFL is like having fist-fights in phonebooths. (23:31)Eben is done with playing professional football until… (34:21)The end of Eben's NFL career is punctuated by taking Adderall. (42:00)“I realized pretty quickly I had no skills whatsoever to relate to people or to myself.” (53:00)Eben learns that he comes from a long line of medicine men, Shamans and witches. (1:02:31)The truth of the warrior. (1:15:30)Eben's first steps toward rewiring his consciousness and recalibrating his nervous system. (1:35:02)How Eben untangled himself from his illusions. (1:49:58)“Love is the only answer that's ever solved all of the problems I've encountered.” (2:06:45)Paul shows Eben how Life Process Alchemy works. (2:15:30)Key spokes in your relationship wheel. (2:29:09)ResourcesThe Eben Flow: Basic Tools to Transform Your Life by Eben BrittonTake Your Pills on NetflixEben's tell-all What Does It Take To Stay In The NFL? You Don't Want To Know on MediumThe work of Jean Gebser, Arthur Young and Wolfgang PauliAl-AnonPaul's Living 4D conversation with Hamilton SoutherThe Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe by Jeremy LentThanks to our awesome sponsors:Ned CHEKPaleovalleyBiOptimizers PAUL10Organifi CHEK20CHEK Institute/HLC1 Online L4DHLCIWe may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.

In this podcast we are sharing an introduction to the new 3x3 matrix that he is calling "I'm Where?" We have been exploring how Tom has been merging our work in Dynamic Competence, with this wonderful, light way that Jean Gebser's writings are exploring the worlds that we live in. This podcast came together as an amazing intro to why Tom created this matrix and the impact of Gerber's writing on this life and work. For all you exploring new ways to live into this world, this is an amazing example of the impact of all this work. As a highly successful Corporate Executive overseeing multiple billions of dollars of assets and thousands of employees, Tom has huge influence over the transitions that our corporations and culture are currently undergoing. Listen to how Tom is exploring new ways of engaging people and his work and how his view of the world and our place in it is changing. 

In Episode 34,  we're doing something a little different. From the last sessions, Tom May has pulled together a matrix that he is now using in his work and life. We thought that we might share it with you and see how you might refine it with us. Tom was inspired to combine the original metacognitive work by our mother Mary May with the new work that I have been doing with Jeremy Johnson on Jean Gebser's book, Ever Present Origin. You can download Tom's matrix from our website at dynamic competence.com under Season 3 podcasts, Session 34 if you want to look at it. Think of a box with 3 columns and 3 rows. At the top of the columns three of Gebser's structures of consciousness, Magic, Mythic, and Mental are listed. At the end of the rows three metacognitive perspectives, Instinctive, Intentional, and Integral are arranged top to bottom. For this podcast, Tom is presenting these structures of consciousness and perspectives from the unique way that he processes this information. Of course, this is only one way of looking at it. Next time, we will dive deeper into what is inside of this matrix. Take a listen and see what you get from it. 

In Part 2 of Will's Podcast. As I have alluded to, I am working a lot in understanding how deeper, latent knowledge that we have (magic and mythic) can help us function from a more integrated whole.  In a class that I am hosting, we are exploring how our magic and mythic perspectives/cultural structures dance with our mental conceptual world to create this integral understanding and being. Many philosophers, religions, and practices incorporate aspects of this dance, but Jean Gebser drives right to it. He states that there are four differentiated cultural structures, magic, mythic, mental, and integral.  We live in the magic, you experience the mythic, and each of us creates our own conceptual understanding in the mental. And the integral is the efficient interweaving, backleaping, blending, oscillation, etc. between these structures/perspectives. Gebser, along with many other thinkers and writers, then states that our current over emphasis on the power of the mental to structure our lives and solve our problems is deficient and failing us. It is this integral approach that will help us reimagine our world and help us move through this pinch point, over this threshold, and better survive and thrive in the coming times.In Will's second part of his podcast, we can tease out those magic and mythic elements that are so important in waking up to new ways of seeing the world and ourselves in it. 

The conversation around adult development and integral consciousness continues to expand and evolve. In this conversation with author and philosopher Jeremy Johnson we explore Jean Gebser's notion of development, temporics, the unperspectival, the perspectival and the aperspectival, the move from sense-directed thinking to “senseful awareing”, the magic and the mythic and the invitation of this moment. Jeremy Johnson is an author (Seeing Through the World: Jean Gebser and Integral Consciousness), publisher (Integral Imprint), managing editor (Integral Leadership Review), podcaster (Mutations) and integral philosopher. His academic research, writing, and publishing advocates new forays into integrative thinking and praxis—aligning the scholastic, poetic, and spiritual—as existentially crucial work for pathfinding in a time of planetary crisis. Jeremy currently serves as president for the International Jean Gebser Society, and is working on his doctorate in the Philosophy of Religion at the California Institute of Integral Studies. His second book, Fragments of an Integral Future (Integral Imprint) is forthcoming in late 2022. → Our live online coach training “The Neuroscience of Change” starts September 29th 2022 ← Visit coachesrising.com to see our acclaimed online coach trainings and other offerings.

Jean Gebser ist einer der integralen Pioniere. Bereits in den 1950er Jahren veröffentlichte er sein Werk "Ursprung und Gegenwart" in dem er ähnlich Spiral Dynamics Bewusstseinsebenen definiert und eine integrale, alle vorangegangenen Ebenen umarmende Ebene mit "aperspektivischem Bewusstsein" vorhersieht.

I have a question after hearing the last Home webinar, which I could not attend in person. You spoke about the conceptual mind as a gift, the only problem being that it makes a concept of self. But as I understand it at the moment, to build a concept of self is inevitable in the developmental phase. There is a time where the child just realizes it is a separate entity somehow and we call this I. So if this is the problem, why is it built into our evolutionary design? Or is it only in our culture, where the I is so worshipped, that this happens, and in a society, where people would not give such an example the I wouldn't develop? But even if, obviously the overall evolution favours the development of an I. There is a philosopher Jean Gebser who has a model of the evolution of awareness (he calls it mutation of awareness), where he shows we started with an archaic awareness where there was no sense of I at all and evolved over the magic and mythical state to the current mental state, the culmination of separation where the I sees itself as always facing a Not-I. He also says that we will move to the integral awareness, where we will combine all the previous states and can access them simultaneously. It seems the evolution leads us to the formation of a separate I.If this concept of self is the problem, why is it inevitable? It seems to me either the design is flawed and sets us up for suffering, and again, why would it be like that, or I don't see something. I bet it's the last one.Can you shed a light on this topic please?

Are you so focused moment-by-moment on your mobile phones, tablets and computer screens you feel as if you're losing a connection with life?Paul shares his grave concerns about the invasion of digital media via portable electronics and what you can do to take back your life today for the health of Mother Earth and ourselves in this solo Living 4D podcast.View the blackboard that Paul references during this podcast on the show notes page or at this link.Show NotesThe elements that give you life force energy. (2:37)Do this thought exercise. (9:41)You're exposed to a ton of information every day. (17:03)Why space is so important. (29:08)Our relationships with plants, animals and myth. (35:11)Your mobile phone isn't a living thing. (47:51)Movement: A form of creativity. (55:44)Hemp: Cheaper to manage and grows back faster than trees. (1:07:00)“Applied knowledge is power.” (1:15:57)Modern Shamanism defined. (1:22:29)Time to be a better steward of our planet and ourselves. (1:32:20)What would love do now? (1:40:16)ResourcesJames Lovelock's Gaia hypothesisThis Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate by Naomi KleinThe Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life by Arthur FirstenbergThe work of Jean Gebser, Arthur M. Young and Francis BaconPaul's Living 4D conversation with Dr. Monica GaglianoPaul's Living 4D Evolve series starting with Evolve Yourself PhysicallyPaul's Living 4D series on Ancient Wisdom and Reimagining Your Health and PerformancePaul's Living 4D episode on Creating Real HealthPaul's Living 4D episode on The People Who Changed My LifeThe Social Dilemma on NetflixThe Creepy Line on YouTubeInner Evolution with Dr. Bruce Lipton on GaiaThanks to our awesome sponsors: BiOptimizers (save an extra 10 percent on your purchase by using the code PAUL10 at checkout), Cymbiotika (save 15 percent on your purchase by using the code CHEK15 at checkout), Organifi (save 20 percent on your purchase by using the code CHEK20 at checkout), Paleovalley (save 15 percent on your purchase by using the code chek15 at checkout) and Airestech (save 15 percent on any purchase you make by using the code CHEK15 at checkout).We may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.

A midnight recording I've dubbed "three theses on liminality." What definition of "liminal" would be satisfactorily descriptive as to the conditions of the present? Isn't our epoch, by definition, a kind of civilizational liminality? Three theses came together for me in this playful exercise. Liminality: a threshold, the interregnum (Gramsci), and the Janus-Faced World (Gebser)/Coyolxuahqui (Anzaldua) Imperative. Show notes: Joe Lightfoot's article, "The Liminal Web: Mapping An Emergent Subculture Of Sensemakers, Meta-Theorists & Systems Poets" Seeing Through the World (2022 Online Course) Mutations Patreon Readings: Antonio Gramsci, Prison Notebooks. Jean Gebser, The Ever-Present Origin. Gloria Anzaldúa, Light in the Dark/Luz en lo Oscuro. Jeremy Johnson, Seeing Through the World. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mutations/message

Please enjoy the audio from this year's Origins: A Cosmo-Local Gathering conference panel between Rudolf Hammerli (Swiss Gebser Society president, Novalis publisher), Aaron Cheak (former US Gebser Society president, Rubedo Press publisher), and myself. During the panel, Rudolf Hammerli shares his memories of Jean Gebser and additionally distills "four pillars" of Gebser's integral philosophy, with commentary by Aaron Cheak and myself. The segment concludes with a poetry reading by Michael Love, introduced by former Gebser Society president and panelist Dr. Dave Zuckerman (see his talk, Transforming Outcomes as Sacramento State). Please see here for more information about the 2021 Gebser Conference. Episode Notes: Origins, a Cosmo-Local Gathering (2022 Gebser Conference) Support this podcast + join the Mutations community Mutations homepage + blog --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mutations/message

The Bishop of New South Wales takes us through a look at the ideas of Jean Gebser and how they can inform and enrich Gnostic spirituality.Visit https://sturiels.johannite.org/integral-gnosticism/ for slides and notes

The Bishop of New South Wales takes us through a look at the ideas of Jean Gebser and how they can inform and enrich Gnostic spirituality.Visit https://sturiels.johannite.org/integral-gnosticism/ for slides and notes

In episode 23 of Mutations, I talk with Jeremy Lent about his new book: The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe. Lent's newest work proposes an integrated worldview very much in the philosophical spirit of the scholars and teachers we explore on Mutations (integral philosophy, theory, etc.). At the time of recording this, I was just coming down from the whirl of regenerative possibilities explored in the Integrales Forum panel, "Becoming the Planetary", where Lent and others talked about framing a new narrative around a "regenerative turn." Part of this turn, however, means important breaks from traditional narratives in Western culture concerning evolutionism and progressive societal development. Lent's book articulates this regenerative narrative wonderfully, and I had to agree with Tyson Yunkaporta's blurb: "This book is a good place to sit for anybody interested in binding the wounds of thoughtless progress and allowing for the emergence of new patterns of being." I was also delighted to share some of my thoughts on the interrelationship with Lent's writing and my own research with Jean Gebser. We discussed the convergence points across the conversation. Thanks for listening, and stay tuned with me: Mutations has a back log now, and as I continue to work on my next book, more conversations should be going up over the next few months. Episode 23 Notes Jeremy Lent's homepage: https://www.jeremylent.com/the-web-of-meaning.html Becoming the Planetary panel: https://youtu.be/G1omWgjvPRM Support these conversations and join the Mutations community: https://www.patreon.com/jeremyjohnson Mutations blog: http://mutations.blog Connect with me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jdj_writes Join the Mutations group on FB: https://www.facebook.com/groups/mutations.salon/ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mutations/message

Jeremy Johnson, is a scholar, writer, and editor for Revelore Press. In this episode we discuss the philosophy of Jean Gebser, alongside discussions on integral philosophy, process philosophy and more... --- Become part of the Hermitix community: Hermitix Twitter - https://twitter.com/Hermitixpodcast Support Hermitix: Hermitix Subscription - https://hermitix.net/subscribe/ Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/hermitix Donations: - https://www.paypal.me/hermitixpod Hermitix Merchandise - http://teespring.com/stores/hermitix-2 Bitcoin Donation Address: 3LAGEKBXEuE2pgc4oubExGTWtrKPuXDDLK Ethereum Donation Address: 0xfd2bbe86d6070004b9Cbf682aB2F25170046A99

A tiny virus did what climate scientists and the Paris accords could not do. It shut everything down. Mother Earth took a breath. The air and water became clearer and cleaner. More people planted gardens. We had time to think. And most importantly, to reset our thinking.  What is the human relationship with the microbial world? How did we get to the brink of environmental destruction in the first place; what are zoonotic diseases and why are they emerging now; how does this crisis end? Can we get back to normal, and do we want to?  In the md-twentieth century, a German philosopher Jean Gebser forecast a time like this, when our normal sense of time and space itself would be turned upside down in preparation for the emergence of a new, integral sense of awareness — a mutational, evolutionary leap that transcends our illusory, limited view of our own evolution while transforming and integrating past structures of consciousness into a time-free originary presence – or everpresent origin.   What lessons do ancient viruses and bacteria hold for us in understanding evolution and this exciting new emergent mutation of consciousness? Join us as we explore the coronavirus, interdependent evolution, and the awakening of time-free consciousness with guests Jeremy Johnson and Barbara Karlsen. BIOS Jeremy Johnson is a philosopher, editor at Integral Leadership Review, publisher at Integral Imprint, and Senior Research Associate at Perspectiva. His academic research, writing, and publishing advocates new forays into integrative thinking and praxis—aligning the scholastic, poetic, and spiritual—as existentially crucial work for pathfinding in a time of planetary crisis. He is the author of Seeing Through the World: Jean Gebser and Integral Consciousness, editor of Mutations: Art, Consciousness and the Anthropocene (2020) and host of the Mutations podcast. Jeremy currently serves as president for the International Jean Gebser Society and is working on his second book, Fragments of an Integral Futurism (2021). You can read more on his Patreon. You can find Jeremy on Twitter  @jdj_writes “Our modes of consciousness (our way of thinking of time) are breaking down. They are going throuh a death process. The more we can accept that reality, the less suffering, the less struggle has to happen. ” Jeremy Johnson Barbara Karlsen, PhD, is a Continuum movement teacher, nurse, and somatic psychotherapist trained in birth psychology. She earned an MA in somatic psychology from Naropa and a PhD from California Institute of Integral Studies. She maintains a private practice in Marin County, California, where she teaches and practices the shamanic art of Continuum and re-birthing. Her special area of interest is in Earth-based spirituality and ancient Buddhist psychology. She contributed a book chapter to The Corona Transmissions: Alternatives for Engaging with Covid-19,  and is the author of a forthcoming book called Becoming Terrestrial: Embodying the Intelligence of Nature (to be published by Inner Traditions). “We are our microbes. We are our viruses. It's a matter of recognizing these are germs to be killed – this is a consciousness that is primordial – it is the fabric of all existence. If we nullify this consciousness that is the basis of all life, we are doomed.” Barbara Karlsen The post The Coronavirus, Interdependent Evolution and the Awakening of Time Free Consciousness with Jeremy Johnson and Barbara Karlsen – Part 2 appeared first on WebTalkRadio.net.

A tiny virus did what climate scientists and the Paris accords could not do. It shut everything down. Mother Earth took a breath. The air and water became clearer and cleaner. More people planted gardens. We had time to think. And most importantly, to reset our thinking.  What is the human relationship with the microbial world? How did we get to the brink of environmental destruction in the first place; what are zoonotic diseases and why are they emerging now; how does this crisis end? Can we get back to normal, and do we want to?  In the md-twentieth century, a German philosopher Jean Gebser forecast a time like this, when our normal sense of time and space itself would be turned upside down in preparation for the emergence of a new, integral sense of awareness — a mutational, evolutionary leap that transcends our illusory, limited view of our own evolution while transforming and integrating past structures of consciousness into a time-free originary presence – or everpresent origin.   What lessons do ancient viruses and bacteria hold for us in understanding evolution and this exciting new emergent mutation of consciousness? Join us as we explore the coronavirus, interdependent evolution, and the awakening of time-free consciousness with guests Jeremy Johnson and Barbara Karlsen. BIOS Jeremy Johnson is a philosopher, editor at Integral Leadership Review, publisher at Integral Imprint, and Senior Research Associate at Perspectiva. His academic research, writing, and publishing advocates new forays into integrative thinking and praxis—aligning the scholastic, poetic, and spiritual—as existentially crucial work for pathfinding in a time of planetary crisis. He is the author of Seeing Through the World: Jean Gebser and Integral Consciousness, editor of Mutations: Art, Consciousness and the Anthropocene (2020) and host of the Mutations podcast. Jeremy currently serves as president for the International Jean Gebser Society and is working on his second book, Fragments of an Integral Futurism (2021). You can read more on his Patreon. You can find Jeremy on Twitter  @jdj_writes Barbara Karlsen, PhD, is a Continuum movement teacher, nurse, and somatic psychotherapist trained in birth psychology. She earned an MA in somatic psychology from Naropa and a PhD from California Institute of Integral Studies. She maintains a private practice in Marin County, California, where she teaches and practices the shamanic art of Continuum and re-birthing. Her special area of interest is in Earth-based spirituality and ancient Buddhist psychology. She contributed a book chapter to The Corona Transmissions: Alternatives for Engaging with Covid-19,  and is the author of a forthcoming book called Becoming Terrestrial: Embodying the Intelligence of Nature (to be published by Inner Traditions). The post The Coronavirus, Interdependent Evolution, and the Awakening of Time-free Consciousness With Jeremy Johnson and Barbara Karlsen appeared first on WebTalkRadio.net.

This episode of High Church includes thoughts on: Special guest Charlie Birns from Be With!, Memory, Therapy dogs, The stories we tell and believe, Creating ourselves, Ex nihilo, Filling space, “getting ‘the flu'”, Acting, Anthony Hopkins, Sculpting therapy, IFS, the family of self within, the body keeps the score, hypnotherapy, NLP, tinkering with the mind, when you move to LA, Holy Spirit, Siddhis, attachments to power, Mooji, Walt Whitman, Van Gogh, Jean Gebser, Bonnie Brainbridge Cohen, embodiment, embryonic breathing, birthing and trauma, breathwork, no one left unscathed, meaning making, integration of mind and heart, an incarnated experience, bouncing off Christ, ditching Charlie, what's next for spirituality?, what's possible for consciousness/a field of resonance?, Be With, decentralization, the Jake Paul era, connection, and The Blue Pearl   Find us on Instagram:  @highchurchpod   Connect with Charlie : Instagram Be With Shop : Enter here

Jeremy Johnson and I shared an epic adventure of a discussion. We delve deep into the ideas of Jean Gebser and trace the contours of just how prescient the ideas in Ever Present Origin really were. We touch on the evolution of perspective throughout art history, the promising synthesis of the Integral movement with Cosmo-Localism and also the progressive legacy of Michael Brooks. There is poetry, complex ideas, concrete ideas and I even have a go at pronouncing the 50 syllable long german word for the 'phenomenology of becoming consciousness'. It was a real pleasure to spend some time in Jeremy's verdant noosphere, I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did. https://www.mutations.blog/ A link to Jeremys book Seeing Through The World: Jean Gebser & Integral Consciousness

ICN is very excited to bring this interview with mystic, author, and Episcopal priest Cynthia Bourgeault! This conversation between Paul Smith, Luke Healy and Cynthia centers on Jean Gebser's seminal work. This discussion weaves in and out many themes and threads of thought(s) and response, covering important territory. (An important note: while it helps to be aware of Gebser and his work to listen to this podcast it is not absolutely necessary...no doubt you will fully appreciate the transmission of wisdom and the enjoyment of lively conversation!) 12:57 - Finding Gebser ("You don't find books, they find you.”) 25 - Embodying wisdom in tumultuous times 34:37 - Cynthia's thoughts on Gebser and G.I.Gurdjieff 40:17 - Paul discusses other embodiment practices and Whole Body Mystical Awakening 46:11 - Features of Western non-duality 52:30 - Moving Integral to the personal (2nd-person spirituality and spirit guides/presences, co-inherence!, I/it? Or I/thou.) 1:02:41 - Gebser and the Christ-mystery, Christ-teachers and the unfolding of human history 1:12:28 - Healing work from Cynthia's and Paul's perspectives 1:25:42 - Final thoughts (Please note that this recorded remotely over ZOOM so there are some digital quirks and jumps. But we hope the content will make up for any inadequacies in the quality of audio.) Thanks again for listening! Please look for us online and join the conversation at integralchristiannetwork.org

Tim and Matt return to talk about their favorite songs of the year 2020. Backstories to things sometimes are essential to the entire story. We attempted this same recording a week ago but I am technologically challenged. Hence, the mythic proportions referenced of that recording in this episode. Fate is a groove on eternal wax. We set out to talk about our "best" songs. I admire those skilled writers who can describe music. It is a bit of a challenge; which, as I write this, question my ability to describe what goes on inside of me when I listen to music. I believe I come closer to the soul. Jean Gebser said that music comes from the magical structure of consciousness. Statues of this period depict mouthless faces. Perhaps, it is because music transcends what can be put into words. With this in mind, Tim and I free dive into the music of 2020- sharing the love of what songs mean to us. 2020 wasn't a normal year by any means. Pandemics tend to increase abnormalities, as history can attest to. "Love in the time of Covid" anyone? This is not a quintessential "best of" list. Songs can sometimes be bookmarks in our experience of life. Sonic resonations of a time that is-all things considered: the past. Perhaps, they function best as time machines capable of transporting us back in time as craftfully as a 1985 Delorean equipped with the flux capacitator. 2020 will soon be a blur, but with its mountainscape still in the rearview mirror let's reflect on that was... Spotify playlist here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/653krwp2FZPJlaTmMvlerr?si=DuqlHvBAQ8uI9QRMaADiuw Matt's best of 2020 (106 songs): https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5ozbOuLCJoSxj6r2BN2F7E?si=r0maS8EqRdq-tPhtsuu1Qw

Listen in as we discuss multiple topics on Integral pioneer and poet Jean Gebser!!! This is a dense interview that covers a lot of ground. Much of the verbiage used during this interview is Gebser-centric and it may take a moment to acclimate but the outcome is well-worth the listen! Jeremy is very articulate and makes Gebser's immense work accessible. Enjoy!! Themes: A brief summarization/introduction to Gebser's integral framework - 7:00 Space-timelessness according to Gebser - 11:50 Distinguishing between Timeless Now and Integral's Freedom from Time - 15:00 Gebser on mysticism - 18:00 Distinctions in the Integral framework according to Wilber and Gebser! (This is fascinating!) - 22:10 Critiques of Gebser's work - 39:30 "Diaphanous" spirituality - 49:55 Describing Gebser's Christian-leaning spirituality - 55:05 Jeremy's "Mutations" community - 1:12:40 Final Thoughts - 1:18:34

Rumi says, 'No man can get to God until he becomes a heretic,' which means that you will never find God in pages with words written on them. If you want to find out what actually God is then you have to do what's necessary to create the environment that's supportive of that. Having a peak experience like being outdoors hiking or laying under the stars and just realizing that in a moment of 'Oh my God,' that somehow you're part of all of that and it's part of you. - Paul Chek   Get 15% off your CURED Nutrition order with the code WELLNESSFORCE   ---> Get The Morning 21 System: A simple and powerful 21 minute system designed to give you more energy to let go of old weight and live life well.   JOIN THE FACEBOOK GROUP | *REVIEW THE PODCAST*   Wellness Force Radio Episode 369 Author of How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy, Creator of the PPS Success Mastery Program, Host of the Living 4D with Paul Chek Podcast, Founder of the C.H.E.K. Institute, Paul Chek, returns to Wellness Force for the three-part series, All Is God. In Part 1, Paul takes us on a journey to understand our relationship with God, how we can create peace within ourselves rather than asking for world peace, our own potential from God's perspective, how to pick the right spiritual teacher and expand the one inside of you as well as the concepts of good and evil in religion.   Will God really save us?   Join us in Part 1 as Paul Chek takes us on a journey to understand what God is including the God that is within ourselves. CURED Nutrition Get 15% off your CURED Nutrition order with the code WELLNESSFORCE It's taken me over a year to find the right hemp and CBD company to introduce to the Wellness Force Community and I could not be more thrilled that it's CURED Nutrition! CURED Nutrition is a movement inspired by nature and grounded in a shared desire to leave a lasting impression on you, our community, and this world. 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Institute How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy PPS Success Mastery Program Living 4D with Paul Chek | CHEK INSTITUTE Show Notes Episode 36 – Josh Trent: The Making of a Buddha 226 The Revolution Is Coming: Paul Chek (Three-Part Series) 275 The Revolution Is Here: Paul Chek Rudolf Steiner How can we make change happen in the world? What the Hero's Journey is and what difference it will make to the world. The 'magnet' you will become when you are on a quest for spiritual truth. How to find the right spiritual teacher for yourself. Ken Wilber Unpacking the three psychological stages according to Ken Wilber. What to be wary about when it comes to mentors who are not well developed vs. those who are. His goal as a teacher: Help people learn how to think, not what to think. The immense amount of disconnection that we are facing right now as a civilization.   [18:00] The Concept Of Self How our concept of self is always evolving and what this experience has taught Josh. Exploring the lower case self and upper case SELF. The belief that the self is a pattern of harmony that emerges from the universe itself that does not have a causal explanation. Unpacking the science of Cymatics, the subset of modal vibrational phenomena. How the sound of the universe produces life forms, intelligence, and entities that are inherently part of the expression of the universe. The Self Aware Universe by Amit Goswami John Archibald Wheeler Why we cannot recognize God unless we realize that we are God How the little self is associated with one's sense of individuality which is heavily linked to the ego. What the capital SELF is, how it's used in many ways, and what it means to him: Without everything that sustains you - earth, water, fire, air, space, time, and movement - could you be here right now?   [30:30] Does God Exist? The different levels of consciousness from isocentric (me) to ethnocentric (group) to world-centric to Kosmo centric consciousness. Divisions we are seeing more and more of including the separation of mask wearers vs non-mask wearers during COVID-19. Why the coronavirus is an update for our genetic software and a wake-up call that we need to focus on being and staying healthy. Understanding that we don't just have a relationship with the Earth but with the sun and other planets in our solar system, our galaxy, and galaxies beyond our own. The work that Paul and Josh have done to let go of their anger towards God. An important lesson Josh's grandfather taught him about God and how he doesn't have a timeline. Unpacking and answering the question - How can we even know that God exists? Rumi What Rumi meant by, 'No man can get to God until he becomes a heretic.' Shankara's Crest Jewel of Discrimination: Viveka-Chudamani by Shankara, Sankara, and Swami Prabhavananda Why no man can understand scripture until he's enlightened and an enlightened man does not need scripture. Osho Rajneesh   [41:30] How We Can Experience God Every Day in Life How you can have a direct experience of God in many different ways including contemplative meditation. Daily practices you can use to open yourself up to the universe, be in harmony with it and be closer to God. How sex can bring you closer to God with the right intention, mindset, and person. What wrong practices people use to try to find God but all they really come across is a hollow shell within  corporate, organized religions. Tao Te Ching: The Book of Meaning and Life by Lao Tzu, translated by Richard Wilhelm How governments, kings, queens, and leaders have used religion to restructure and feed money back into the empire. Why so many people have a wounded relationship with God especially during 2020. Exploring the universal truth that you cannot have good without the bad that has been created in the world by God. The problem we face when we blame God for all of our troubles and have an anthropomorphic view that he is a man in the sky. Lao Tzu Unpacking the deep meaning behind the yin and the yang in relation to our universe. Itzhak Bentov   [1:00:00] Unpacking The Concepts Of Good And Evil In Religion The various concepts of good and evil around the world. How wars begin because of religious differences. Why good and evil are relative concepts that you cannot have without a mind nor the polarities like he/she, yin and yang, and the light and the dark. How everything that is going on is God experiencing itself which it cannot do without the illusion of separation. Unpacking the common truth that all religions have which is the source. How we can get past religious differences and come together in harmony without obstructing religious practices. Discussing Bill Gates spending millions of dollars on vaccinations, manipulating the media, launching 5G towers, create chemtrails to impact the weather but nothing to feed almost 2 billion people with no education, homes, or other basic needs. How Bill Gates is an example of something presenting itself as good but has as much evil.   [1:15:00] Exploring Our Own Potential In God's Perspective Why God has created us to look forward and within to ourselves by placing all of his creations' eyes in the front or side but never backward. Exploring the fact that God cannot die because it doesn't even have consciousness; it's not only the source of energy and information but it is energy and information as well. Why we have to look at both the good and the bad of ourselves to truly know who we are at our core. The danger of self-deception, denial, and narcissism as it leads us to live in an allusion. How to do the inner work and look into your shadow to witness your thoughts with honesty. Why being in a committed relationship will help you grow, find God, and charge your consciousness. The number of people who have begun for the first time to look at their health, the government, the medical system, and doing research on the harm of vaccinations because of COVID-19. Arnold J. Mandell Why what looks like chaos is actually full of order in occult or hidden form.   [1:26:00] What Is Consciousness? The Creation of Consciousness: Jung's Myth for Modern Man by Edward F. Edinger Exploring the idea that consciousness is a psychic substance produced by opposites in living awareness. How to grow your consciousness by beginning to ask the bigger questions and have a broader perspective on everything and anything in life. The important process of mindfulness and why it's not as simple as we believe it to be. How to begin to be more mindful by labeling your thoughts, feelings, and beliefs. Deepak Chopra Why we're wired to constantly have negative thoughts over positive. The importance of not desiring things but desiring life, love, and relationships. On the Nature of Consciousness and Reality: An Overview of Jean Gebser's Thoughts on Consciousness What age we are at as collective humanity, how we can begin to parent ourselves, and how COVID-19 is waking us all up. breathwork.io M21 Wellness Guide Wellness Force Community   Power Quotes From The Show   Chaos Is Actually Order "What people don't realize about chaos is that it's not something that you should run from; it's something you should look into because there's information in chaos. In fact, if you look at almost all of the creation stories and myths from tribes all over the world, they say that the world and life itself began in chaos. So, if it all began in chaos and countless cultures have written that in their myths, then doesn't that tell you right up front that what looks like chaos is actually full of order in an occult or hidden form?" - Paul Chek   Why We Need Good And Evil "The words from The Bible, Isaiah 45:7, 'I the Lord create the light and the dark,' means that there is consciousness creating something there. If everything was all dark, what would you see? Nothing and then there's nothing to be conscious of. If everything was light, what would you see? Nothing again. You have to have this contrast in order for consciousness to be aware of something i.e. for God to have its own experience of itself, it has to create the illusion of something that is and something that isn't. " - Paul Chek   We Are God Experiencing Itself "The real question is, 'What's inside the evil and what is it trying to tell us to help us learn to live and love more fully?' which is the truth of God. The truth of God is good, beauty, honesty, and harmony. Evil is a necessary illusion that allows you to be aware that you can choose disharmony or harmony, love or hate, love or indifference, etc. God says 'yes' to all of it because ultimately if God is love then the highest form of love is unconditional love and by definition, the answer to every prayer is 'yes...' ...We are Co-Creators with God; we are not under God's control but we are God experiencing itself as Josh, Paul, trees, bees, planets, and stars. It's only through the choices that we make that God experiences the truth of itself. God is capable of rape, murder, and pillage but the difference is that God is not worried about it because God cannot die and God knows the truth of itself because it is the sum total of all consciousness known and unknown beyond our conception. What you create, good or bad, is an experience that God is having but nobody else cannot have that experience with God but you because God is making those choices." - Paul Chek   Links From Today's Show  How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy PPS Success Mastery Program Living 4D with Paul Chek | CHEK INSTITUTE Show Notes Episode 36 – Josh Trent: The Making of a Buddha 226 The Revolution Is Coming: Paul Chek (Three-Part Series) 275 The Revolution Is Here: Paul Chek Rudolf Steiner Ken Wilber The Self Aware Universe by Amit Goswami John Archibald Wheeler Rumi Shankara's Crest Jewel of Discrimination: Viveka-Chudamani by Shankara, Sankara, and Swami Prabhavananda Osho Rajneesh Tao Te Ching: The Book of Meaning and Life by Lao Tzu, translated by Richard Wilhelm Lao Tzu Itzhak Bentov Arnold J. Mandell The Creation of Consciousness: Jung's Myth for Modern Man by Edward F. Edinger Deepak Chopra On the Nature of Consciousness and Reality: An Overview of Jean Gebser's Thoughts on Consciousness Carl Jung AMP #128 - Paul Chek on The Self, God, Love and the Soul | Aubrey Marcus Podcast Aubrey Marcus Podcast | #212 What is the ‘Devil’? with Paul Chek History Of The Devil Leave Wellness Force a review on iTunes breathwork.io M21 Wellness Guide Wellness Force Community Paul Chek Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube LinkedIn The C.H.E.K. Institute Facebook Instagram Twitter LinkedIn YouTube   About Paul Chek Paul Chek is a world-renowned expert in the fields of corrective and high-performance exercise kinesiology, stress management and holistic wellness. For over thirty years, Paul’s unique, integrated approach to treatment and education has changed the lives of many of his clients, his students, and their clients. 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"We can discern in the auditory aspect of several verbs, used in their normal way, the acoustic-magic stress indicative of the extent to which power is expressed, not in a palpable but rather an auditory manner and appeals to the incomprehensible and prerational in us: to belong, to obey; and, to submit. These words and what they convey are always subordinated to power that we ascribe to things, events, or human beings, whether as possessions, authoritarian beliefs, or sexuality; and they are always connected to the loss of ego and responsibility. It is not the sun-related eye but the labyrinthine ear that is the magic organ; the sun represents diurnal brightness, whereas the labyrinth represents the cave-like nocturnal darkness of dormant consciousness.” - Jean Gebser, Ever Present Origin "...you can feel the sound he records..." -Polly Jean Harvey While INXS was Kicking on the MTV awards in 1987, Big Black, Steve Albini's former band, put out an album called "Songs About Fucking." I was 11. Steve Albini is the lead singer and guitarist of Shellac and recording engineer for some of my favorite albums of all-time, including PJ Harvey's "Rid of Me", Nirvana's "In Utero" and the Pixies' "Surfer Rosa." I played the first song on Surfer Rosa, “Bone Machine,” loud with my children nearby recently and my 10 year-old daughter commented “it felt like her ears were bleeding.” “Yes! That's it! You get it.” Steven's work speaks for itself. Thank you Steven for sitting down with a fan and talking music. I hope the listener will experience the same joy I had recording this conversation with the one and only: Steve Albini. P.S.: Stream "Dude Incredible,” by Shellac.

In this audio podcast, an introduction is given to the progressive evolution of human consciousness from the stage of Hunter-gatherers to the present information age. The six tages, defined by Jean Gebser, will be taken up in a number of future episodes. Please listen and share.

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Jeremy Johnson about what led to his interest in Jean Gebser, the nebulosity of time, non-linear consciousness evolution & developmental theory, Gebser's poetic disposition & extraordinary writing style, the un-perspectival world, integral consciousness, the limits of intellect & complex abstraction, the ever-present, mythical consciousness, pattern & nebulosity, wholeness & the spiritual elements of Gebser's work, process orientation vs systemization, maps as living systems, comparing Gebser's view to Integral levels, the danger of meta-theories, the value of pop art, and more. In this Episode of Both/And Mutations Podcast Jeremy's Patreon Jeremy's book, Seeing Through the World Liminal Magazine The Ever-Present Origin by Jean Gebser The Phenomenon of Man by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin The Progress of This Storm by Andreas Malm Jeremy's Side View article, Meta, Modern Small Arcs of Larger Circles by Nora Bateson Twitter Questions Figuring by Maria Popova Seeing That Frees by Rob Burbea Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes   Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.

This episode will expand your mind and heart. Join us for a deep dive into the interconnectedness of sexuality and the evolution of consciousness. We hear more from Dr. Dischiavo, then jump down a rabbit hole as we ponder Jean Gebser's theory of evolution and how it relates to our sexual nature and where we might be after we emerge from this pandemic. Here are some links to check out: The Institute for Sex Education and Enlightenment: https://instituteforsexuality.com/ "The Evolution of Consciousness According to Jean Gebser" by Ulrich J, Mohrhoff: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8280/da861df9889a5f8f8ec210b3c50803cd3197.pdf American Association of Sexuality Educators Counselors and Therapists https://www.aasect.org/ Sex Ed for Social Change: https://siecus.org/ Society for the Scientific Study of Sexuality http://sexscience.org/ Brene Brown clip on the power of vulnerability: http://sexscience.org/ I also want to thank Julian Maltby for reading the part of Jean Gebser. He did this while redesigning our website and updating our logo. I highly recommend him for web and graphic work. Who knows? Maybe he'll do some narration for you if you ask nicely. Here is is website: https://formacuento.com/ Join us on our Facebook page at Joyful Sex Education and our website: www.JoyfuSexEd.com

LISTEN: APPLE  | SPOTIFY | STITCHER | YOUTUBE If You Enjoy This Show Please Subscribe and Give Us a 5-Star Rating ★★★★★ and Review on Apple Podcasts | Donate On Patreon or PayPal Jeremy Johnson is a smart dude. Jeremy is an Editor, author, writer, and cultural philosopher interested in Metaphysics, Integral studies, and Futurism. Jeremy and I talk about his work in expanding the ideas of one of his biggest influences Jean Gebser. We talk about the evolution of consciousness, time, stages, and modes of thinking and feeling throughout history. We explore how to make sense of our world in our time and place today, and what the possibilities of the future could be. Jeremy is also a contributing writer at Evolve and Ascend and the president of the International Jean Gebser Society. This was a great chat, I am constantly learning from Jeremy, and so can you as there is no shortage of content from him. he may be a machine. We'll find out. You can also catch us on our live streaming show Isolation Tank every Tuesday at 7 pm ESt and Friday at 9pm EST.    Connect with Jeremy: Mutations Podcast: https://bit.ly/2YP0W0p Book: https://bit.ly/3baJ56j Liminal News: https://bit.ly/2WbAPyH Nura learning: https://bit.ly/2YFp1qh Facebook: https://bit.ly/2YLdFku Instagram: https://bit.ly/2WdtKxD YouTube: https://bit.ly/2xHn3KP   Connect With Mike: Website: https://bit.ly/2GqH7kX Email/ContactMe: https://bit.ly/2Dsv2v4 Facebook: https://bit.ly/2XCchg7 Instagram: https://bit.ly/2Pqc50B Twitter: https://bit.ly/2IwIhik Donate On Patreon or PayPal    Listen Everywhere: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2Vf2RKf Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2W8w72c GooglePlay: https://bit.ly/2PlJiKG Stitcher: https://bit.ly/2DrRnc6 YouTube: https://bit.ly/2IzMz8I   Also Available on Podbean, Speaker, Breaker, Tunein, Castro, I heart radio, Overcast, Soundcloud and everywhere podcasts are found  Subscribe to the Inner Sanctum Monthly Newsletter  https://bit.ly/2GqH7kX   Sponsored By:   Student Loan Tutor - get rid of student loan debt - https://www.studentloantutor.com/   Hemp Bombs High Potency CBD Products enter code Mike15 at checkout for 15% off https://bit.ly/2Gr68MT    If You Enjoy This Show Please Subscribe and Give Us a 5-Star Rating ★★★★★ and Review on Apple Podcasts | Donate On Patreon or PayPal  * Become a patron and get access to bonus episodes and a private chat group    Thank You Intro Music Provided by Danny Barnett & Galaxia:  https://bit.ly/2XB3sDr Thanks to Brew Dr. Kombucha 

On the surface, the phrase "the medium is the message," prophetic as it may have been when Marshall McLuhan coined it, points a now-obvious fact of our wired world, namely that the content of any medium is less important than its form. The advent of email, for instance, has brought about changes in society and culture that are more far-reaching than the content of any particular email. On the other hand, this aphorism of McLuhan's has the ring of an utterance of the Delphic Oracle. As Phil proposes in this episode of Weird Studies, it is an example of what Zen practitioners call a koan, a statement that occludes and illumines in equal measures, a jewel whose shining surface is an invitation to descend into dark depths. Join JF and Phil as they discuss the mystical and cosmic implications of McLuhan's oracular vision. REFERENCES McLuhan, [Understanding Media](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnderstandingMedia)_ The Playboy interview (https://nextnature.net/2009/12/the-playboy-interview-marshall-mcluhan) McLuhan and Quentin Fiore, [The Medium is the Massage: An Inventory of Effects](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheMediumIstheMassage) Graham Harman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Harman), American philosopher Clement Greenberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Greenberg), American critic Dale Pendell, [Pharmako/Poeia: Plant Powers, Poisons, and Herbcraft](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1556438052/ref=dbsadefrwtbiblvppii2) Brian Eno (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Eno), British composer Marshall and Eric McLuhan, The Laws of Media: The New Science (https://utorontopress.com/ca/laws-of-media-1) _ Jonathan Sterne, _The Audible Past: Cultural Origins of Sound Reproduction (https://www.dukeupress.edu/the-audible-past) Eric McLuhan and Frank Zingrone (editors), The Essential McLuhan (https://www.amazon.com/Essential-McLuhan-Eric/dp/0465019951) Charles A. Reich, [The Greening of America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheGreeningofAmerica)_ David Fincher (director), The Social Network (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1285016/) _ Gilles Deleuze, _Cinema I (https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/cinema-1) _and _Cinema II (https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/cinema-2) Jean Gebser, The Ever-Present Origin (https://www.amazon.com/Ever-Present-Origin-Part-Aperspectival-Manifestations/dp/0821407694) Eric Havelock,_ Preface to Plato (https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674699069)_ Walter J. Ong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_J._Ong), American theorist Plato, [Republic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic(Plato))_

Mutations truly go on! As we wade further into the murky complexities of the meta-crisis, I bring you an update from COVID-19 quarantine. This is a recording from 4/2/20. Part riff, part Q&A discussion with viewers as we explore how to navigate the “meta-crisis,” including helpful ways of looking the current world state and navigating to (latent), more beautiful futures. Themes of liminality, metaxis (“betweenness”), and integral ontology come into the picture right now, as we collectively attempt to find our way to a new mode of sensemaking and culture building that is more akin to Teilhard de Chardin’s planetization, or Jean Gebser’s integral aperspectivity. Do tune in. This one definitely felt like climbing on a pulpit. PS: There’s now a backlog of interviews, some recorded before the COVID-19 epidemic--from another era! But they are coming. Thanks, listener, for your gracious patience. "Corona and the Commons" by Michel Bauwens of the P2P Foundation "Notes on Metamodernism,” by Timotheus Vermeulen & Robin van den Akker Mutual Aid (Kropotkin) and planetary consciousness Join My Patreon for more discussions like this one, access to my private Discord server, and sneak peeks at upcoming writing projects and interviews --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mutations/message

Welcome to Growing Down! Co-hosts Ryan, Matt and Jeremy explore the possibility of aligning progressive culture--the new "radical majority"--with integral philosophy and metamodern politics. Among the diverse topics we cover, we explore: What "Growing Down" means to each of us How the New Left and the New Right are both populist What integral theory and integral philosophy can do in this new phase of cultural evolution What integral philosopher Jean Gebser offers to this moment of history Metamodernism and existential politics Bruno Latour on the shift from modernity's globalization to the ecological politics of the Terrestrial James Hillman and the need for soul psychology The need and the meaning for "soul" in progressive culture as a counter to the IDW References: TMBS (The Michael Brooks Show) The Populist's Guide to 2020 Nordic Ideology and Metamodernism Jean Gebser and Ever-Present Origin Zak Stein's Education in a Time Between Worlds Co-Hosts: Matt Hudkins Ryan Nakade Jeremy Johnson --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/growing-down/message

Are we approaching end times or just a monumentally shift in the way we understand the world? If you were to ask European poet, philosopher, and student of culture Jean Gebser he would emphatically say it was the latter. This week, Connor and Dan discuss Gebser's various structures of consciousness to see where we've been, where we are, and where we're going.

In the lineage of Integral philosophers, Jean Gebser is a mystic. Famous for delineating the structures of human consciousness as archaic, magic, mythic, mental and integral, he regarded them as arising not just sequentially in history but also vividly in an ever-present now. “While it is clear that adults possess various mental and physical capacities […] The post The Gebserian Practice of Integral Consciousness appeared first on The Daily Evolver.

For the last four centuries, science has tried to account for everything in terms of atoms and molecules and the physical laws they adhere to. Recently, this effort was extended to try to include the inner world of human beings. Gary Lachman argues that this view of consciousness is misguided and unfounded. He points to another approach to the study and exploration of consciousness that erupted into public awareness in the late 1800s. In this “secret history of consciousness,” consciousness is seen not as a result of neurons and molecules, but as responsible for them; meaning is not imported from the outer world, but rather creates it. In this view, consciousness is a living, evolving presence whose development can be traced through different historical periods, and which evolves along a path to a broader, more expansive state. What that consciousness may be like and how it may be achieved is a major concern of this book . Lachman concentrates on the period since the late 1800s, when Madame Blavatsky first brought the secret history out into the open. As this history unfolds, we encounter the ideas of many modern thinkers, from esotericists like P. D. Ouspensky, Rudolf Steiner, and Colin Wilson to more mainstream philosophers like Henri Bergson, William James, Owen Barfield and the psychologist Andreas Mavromatis. Two little known but important thinkers play a major role in his synthesis―Jurij Moskvitin, who showed how our consciousness relates to the mechanisms of perception and to the external world, and Jean Gebser, who presented perhaps the most impressive case for the evolution of consciousness. An important contribution to the study of consciousness ... a must-read. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/voiceoverwork/message

For the last four centuries, science has tried to account for everything in terms of atoms and molecules and the physical laws they adhere to. Recently, this effort was extended to try to include the inner world of human beings. Gary Lachman argues that this view of consciousness is misguided and unfounded. He points to another approach to the study and exploration of consciousness that erupted into public awareness in the late 1800s. In this “secret history of consciousness,” consciousness is seen not as a result of neurons and molecules, but as responsible for them; meaning is not imported from the outer world, but rather creates it. In this view, consciousness is a living, evolving presence whose development can be traced through different historical periods, and which evolves along a path to a broader, more expansive state. What that consciousness may be like and how it may be achieved is a major concern of this book . Lachman concentrates on the period since the late 1800s, when Madame Blavatsky first brought the secret history out into the open. As this history unfolds, we encounter the ideas of many modern thinkers, from esotericists like P. D. Ouspensky, Rudolf Steiner, and Colin Wilson to more mainstream philosophers like Henri Bergson, William James, Owen Barfield and the psychologist Andreas Mavromatis. Two little known but important thinkers play a major role in his synthesis―Jurij Moskvitin, who showed how our consciousness relates to the mechanisms of perception and to the external world, and Jean Gebser, who presented perhaps the most impressive case for the evolution of consciousness. An important contribution to the study of consciousness ... a must-read. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/voiceoverwork/message

For the last four centuries, science has tried to account for everything in terms of atoms and molecules and the physical laws they adhere to. Recently, this effort was extended to try to include the inner world of human beings. Gary Lachman argues that this view of consciousness is misguided and unfounded. He points to another approach to the study and exploration of consciousness that erupted into public awareness in the late 1800s. In this “secret history of consciousness,” consciousness is seen not as a result of neurons and molecules, but as responsible for them; meaning is not imported from the outer world, but rather creates it. In this view, consciousness is a living, evolving presence whose development can be traced through different historical periods, and which evolves along a path to a broader, more expansive state. What that consciousness may be like and how it may be achieved is a major concern of this book . Lachman concentrates on the period since the late 1800s, when Madame Blavatsky first brought the secret history out into the open. As this history unfolds, we encounter the ideas of many modern thinkers, from esotericists like P. D. Ouspensky, Rudolf Steiner, and Colin Wilson to more mainstream philosophers like Henri Bergson, William James, Owen Barfield and the psychologist Andreas Mavromatis. Two little known but important thinkers play a major role in his synthesis―Jurij Moskvitin, who showed how our consciousness relates to the mechanisms of perception and to the external world, and Jean Gebser, who presented perhaps the most impressive case for the evolution of consciousness. An important contribution to the study of consciousness ... a must-read. “A marvelously exhilarating gallop through every important modern theory of consciousness, from Steiner to Maslow, from Bucke’s ‘cosmic consciousness’ to Gebser’s ‘integral consciousness.’”―Colin Wilson, author of The Outsider and Access to Inner Worlds “Opens up vast vistas of possibility, suggesting that what we experience as the earth may, in itself, be inseparable from our state of mind, and that the evolution of human consciousness may be as fundamental a process as our development through genetics. A must-read for those seeking an escape from our contemporary culture’s cul-de-sac.”―Daniel Pinchbeck, author of Breaking Open the Head “Thinking outside the box, Lachman challenges many contemporary theories by reinserting a sense of the spiritual back into the discussion. Profoundly erudite, yet easy to read, this book is a provocative mind-stretcher.”―Leonard Shlain author of Art & Physics, Alphabet versus the Goddess, and Sex, Time & Power. #GaryLachman #consciousness #thinkers #evolution #philosophers #epistemology #molecules #beings #williamjames #thinking #spokentome #newtonmg #russellericnewton --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/voiceoverwork/message

An episode for the Epiphany. I spoke with author, philosopher, and psychotherapist Mark Vernon about his 2019 book: A Secret History of Christianity: Jesus, the Last Inkling, and the Evolution of Consciousness. You may have already listened on Mark's YouTube channel. Great, but also be sure to tune in below for a new introduction. Mark has a PhD in ancient philosophy, with two other degrees in physics and theology. What brought us together was a mutual interest in the evolution of consciousness; Mark, by way of the Oxford Inkling Owen Barfield, and myself by way of the Swiss cultural philosopher and poet Jean Gebser. Mark read my book and I read his. We agreed that we simply needed to have a chat. To my knowledge, Gebser and Barfield never actually talked with one another in life, even though their ideas find many significant convergences; the theme of participation, for instance, plays a prominent role in both of their works. Mark's A Secret History of Christianity is also a history of religion, which is to say the history of consciousness. His documentation of pivotal transformations in the evolution of religion were highly illustrative. (For a direct reading of Barfield I recommend starting with Saving the Appearances: A Study in Idolatry). I mentioned earlier this year in the episode with Dr Becca Tarnas that J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-earth cosmology also has interesting synergy some of Gebser's ideas, particularly how the consciousness structures unfold (a series of gains and losses as we move further "away" from spiritual origin in time and becoming). We need a general "The Inklings and the Evolution of Consciousness ft. J. Gebser Remix" episode. Roundtable scholarly nerd-out imminent. Mark, Becca, and I are talking about making it happen. Stay tuned. MUSIC: Artist: Billy Mays III / Infinite Third. Album: Channel(s) Tracks: "Vision(s)" for intro/outro, "In(to)" for intermezzo PATREON: Join the Mutations Patreon community here for access to our Discord channel, Zoom salon calls, early podcasts and featured writing content. ARTWORK: Featured art by Archan Nair. Sponsorships: off for this episode --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mutations/message

For the last four centuries, science has tried to account for everything in terms of atoms and molecules and the physical laws they adhere to. Recently, this effort was extended to try to include the inner world of human beings. Gary Lachman argues that this view of consciousness is misguided and unfounded. He points to another approach to the study and exploration of consciousness that erupted into public awareness in the late 1800s. In this “secret history of consciousness,” consciousness is seen not as a result of neurons and molecules, but as responsible for them; meaning is not imported from the outer world, but rather creates it. In this view, consciousness is a living, evolving presence whose development can be traced through different historical periods, and which evolves along a path to a broader, more expansive state. What that consciousness may be like and how it may be achieved is a major concern of this book . Lachman concentrates on the period since the late 1800s, when Madame Blavatsky first brought the secret history out into the open. As this history unfolds, we encounter the ideas of many modern thinkers, from esotericists like P. D. Ouspensky, Rudolf Steiner, and Colin Wilson to more mainstream philosophers like Henri Bergson, William James, Owen Barfield and the psychologist Andreas Mavromatis. Two little known but important thinkers play a major role in his synthesis―Jurij Moskvitin, who showed how our consciousness relates to the mechanisms of perception and to the external world, and Jean Gebser, who presented perhaps the most impressive case for the evolution of consciousness. An important contribution to the study of consciousness ... a must-read. “A marvelously exhilarating gallop through every important modern theory of consciousness, from Steiner to Maslow, from Bucke’s ‘cosmic consciousness’ to Gebser’s ‘integral consciousness.’”―Colin Wilson, author of The Outsider and Access to Inner Worlds “Opens up vast vistas of possibility, suggesting that what we experience as the earth may, in itself, be inseparable from our state of mind, and that the evolution of human consciousness may be as fundamental a process as our development through genetics. A must-read for those seeking an escape from our contemporary culture’s cul-de-sac.”―Daniel Pinchbeck, author of Breaking Open the Head “Thinking outside the box, Lachman challenges many contemporary theories by reinserting a sense of the spiritual back into the discussion. Profoundly erudite, yet easy to read, this book is a provocative mind-stretcher.”―Leonard Shlain author of Art & Physics, Alphabet versus the Goddess, and Sex, Time & Power. #GaryLachman #consciousness #thinkers #evolution #philosophers #epistemology #molecules #beings #williamjames #thinking #spokentome #newtonmg #russellericnewton --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/voiceoverwork/message

The German poet and philosopher Jean Gebser's major work, The Ever-Present Origin, is a monumental study of the evolution of consciousness from prehistory to posthistory. For Gebser, consciousness adopts different "structures" at different times and in different contexts, and each structure reveals certain facets of reality while potentially occluding others. An integral human being is one who can utilize all of the structures according to the moment or situation. As Gebserian scholar Jeremy Johnson explains in this episode, modern humans are currently experiencing the transition from the "perspectival" structure which formed in the late Middle Ages to the "aperspectival," a new way of seeing and being that first revealed itself in the art of the Modernists. Grokking what the aperspectival means, and what it might look like, is just one of the tasks Jeremy, Phil and JF set themselves in this engaging trialogue. Jeremy D. Johnson is the author of the recently released Seeing Through the World: Jean Gebser and Integral Consciousness (https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Through-World-Consciousness-Nuralogicals/dp/1947544152). REFERENCES Jeremy Johnson, Seeing Through the World: Jean Gebser and the Integral Consciousness (https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Through-World-Consciousness-Nuralogicals/dp/1947544152) Jean Gebser, The Ever-Present Origin (https://www.amazon.com/Ever-Present-Origin-Part-Aperspectival-Manifestations/dp/0821407694) William Irwin Thompson, Coming Into Being: Artifacts and Texts in the Evolution of Consciousness (https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780312176921) Ken Wilber (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber), integral theorist Lionel Snell, “Spare Parts” (https://fulgur.co.uk/austin-osman-spare/spare-parts/?v=7516fd43adaa) Nagarjuna, “Verses of the Middle Way” (https://www.stephenbatchelor.org/index.php/en/verses-from-the-center) (Mulamadhyamakakarika) Peter Sloterdijk, You Must Change Your Life (https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/philosophy-of-the-acrobat-on-peter-sloterdijk/) Thomas Aquinas, [Summa Theologica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SummaTheologica)_ Object-oriented ontology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_ontology) (OOO) Dogen, [Uji](https://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/DogenTeachings/UjiWelch.htm) (“The Time-Being”), from the Shobogenzo (Treasury of the True Dharma Eye) Special Guest: Jeremy D. Johnson.

  Dr Aaron Cheak joins us today to explore the depths of the Alchemical traditions. He describes Jean Gebser's diaphany and integral consciousness theories as they relate to the study of Alchemy....his understanding of the core and roots of the art, the importance of poison in moderation as a catalyst for growth, Zosimos and much much more.   His site http://www.aaroncheak.com/   Rubedo Press https://rubedo.press/    

“The human being is actually this kaleidoscope of different ways to relate to time and space. And to be present with it all, to be awake with it all, is what we’re doing.”Jean Gebser mapped the mutating structures of human consciousness, the topology of mind from archaic to magic to mythic to mental to integral. His work inspired generations of inquiry by authors like William Irwin Thompson and Ken Wilber. Now Jeremy Johnson’s latest book for Revelore Press expands into the truly visionary and unique “amensional” reality that Gebser posits as the next mutation for our planetary culture. “We’re not just going to have an ‘archaic revival’ and dump what we’ve been doing with the nightmare of history. There’s something that’s been achieved in this kind of coalescing of the self and the emergence of spatial linear time that’s true, as well.”“The endgame of perspectivalism and the mental world…is eventually breaking down to the point where everyone has their own little perspectival ‘reality tunnel,’ where nobody’s able to talk to one another and everybody’s in this sense of cultural warfare and fragmentation and social isolation.”“You should know by now that things are ever-present.”Jeremy’s Book:https://revelore.press/product/seeing-through-the-world/ Jeremy’s Podcast:http://www.jeremydanieljohnson.com/mutations Discussed:James JoyceMarshall McLuhanMartin HeideggerSri AurobindoGrant MorrisonTimothy MortonDoug RushkoffEugene ThackerGraham HarmanSupport the show on Patreon for an avalanche of secret episodes, writing, art, music, and the Future Fossils Book Club:https://patreon.com/michaelgarfield See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jeremy Johnson is an author, editor, and teacher. He founded the new media learning platform Nura Learning and works for Revelore Press. I spoke with Jeremy about the evolution of consciousness, new media and digital technologies, and the work of Jean Gebser, who is the focal point of Jeremy's new book Seeing Through the World: Jean Gebser and Integral Consciousness. Gebser's work on the phenomenology of consciousness and its ongoing mutations will be of interest to anyone trying to make new sense of our emerging planetary and digital cultures. Support: https://www.patreon.com/thesideview Donate: https://www.paypal.me/thesideview Web: http://thesideview.co/

Todays guest is Jeremy Johnson. Jeremy is the author of the new book 'Seeing Through the World: Jean Gebser and Integral Consciousness'. Jeremy is also the host of the wonderful Mutations podcast, and the editor of the anthology Mutations: Art, Consciousness, and the Anthropocene. Together we explore Gebser’s idea of ‘origin’, the move from the non-perspectival to perspectival to aperspectival consciousness (aka integral), the way creative innovations emerge out of presence, Gebser’s relationship with metamodernism, the difficulty of trying to articulate anything beyond the mental structure of consciousness, how to experience the past and the future in the present, and feeling our way into the diaphanous nature of the anthropocene. Seeing Through the World (Amazon) Mutations Podcast Circling Intensive at the Monastic Academy --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/emerge/support

Jeremy Johnson is the author of Seeing Through the World: Jean Gebser and Integral Consciousness. Seeing Through the World introduces the reader to the work of German-Swiss philosopher, poet, and intellectual mystic Jean Gebser. Writing in the mid-20th century during a period of intense cultural transformation and crisis in Europe, Gebser intuited a series of mutational leaps in the history of human consciousness, the latest of which emerging was the "integral" structure, marked by the presence of a concept Gebser called time-freedom. Jeremy says that Gebser's structures of consciousness are as significant an ontological insight as Carl Jung's "reality of the psyche." Yet, until now, very little secondary literature has been available in the English-speaking world as it relates to Gebser and his work. And, until now, very few podcasts have been recorded about Gebser and his work, but that is why Jeremy is here: to guide us through these structures and to show us how this integral structure of consciousness is a means of divination, a crystal ball we can scry with to further illuminate what it is about our current age that seems so damn different. A lot of scrying coming up, indeed, and a lot of prying too, because we’re pulling the lid back on that third eye of yours and pushing our way into that ear canal with another case of this nasty sonically transmitted discourse.   PATREON EXTENSION Listen at patreon.com/occulture Gebser’s concept of Origin Gebser’s concept of time-freedom Westworld & mass consciousness shifts The synergy between Gebser’s work & recent guest Douglas Rushkoff’s Team Human book   RESOURCES Seeing Through the World on IndieBound Seeing Through the World on Amazon Jeremy’s website Jeremy on Facebook Jeremy on Instagram Jeremy on Twitter Jeremy’s podcast Nura Learning   DONATE If recurring monthly support via Patreon isn’t your thing, we do accept one time-donations via PayPal, Bitcoin, Ethereum and Ripple. Every little bit helps.   MERCH Tees, tanks, hoodies, hats. Check ‘em out on our website or at our Etsy shop.   SOCIAL Twitter Instagram Facebook Tumblr   MUSIC Vestron Vulture - “I Want to Be a Robot (Tribute to Giorgio Moroder)”   PRODUCTION & LICENSING This podcast is produced in the Kingdom of Ohio and is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International. Executive Producers: Mike K., Carter Y., Mauricio G., Alyssa S., Daniel R., Kelly C., Bruce H., David G., Jeremy V., Marcelo T., Christopher B., Timothy W., Nick F., Michael Q., Jamaica J., Mute Ryan, John W., Paul S., Andy E., Colleen F., Saliyah S., Raymond G., Kevin C., Michael S., Blake S., Kyle A., Megan B.   REMINDER Love yourself. Think for yourself. Question authority.

Jeremy D Johnson, MA is an author, editor, integral scholar, teacher and podcaster. He has worked as a staff editor for Reality Sandwich magazine, and contributed to publications such as OMNI, Disinfo, Evolve and Ascend, Conscious Lifestyle Magazine, and Evolve Magazine. He is the host of the Mutations-Podcast and author of the book ‘Seeing Through the World: Jean Gebser and Integral Consciousness ‘ We had a fascinating and in-depth conversation on Gebsers notion of integral consciousness, how it differs from Wilber, about modells of linear progess vs non-linear mutations, and about the transcendence of left-right ideologies.

For rewards and exclusive podcast content, support us on Patreon! Jeremy Johnson is has written on a variety of esoteric and philosophical topics for outlets like Reality Sandwich and Evolve and Ascend. He's the author of Seeing Through the World, a deep dive into the work of intellectual mystic Jean Gebser. In this mind meld, we rap about mapping the impossible, untraditional concepts of time, and the religion of the future.   Enjoy this mind meld? Let the iTunes wizards know by leaving us a 5 star review and clicking subscribe! For a full write-up and more pop over to THIRDEYEDROPS.com  

For the fifth episode of MUTATIONS, I am pleased to bring you Michael Brooks. Michael is a political journalist, integral thinker, and host of The Michael Brooks show. Together we explore the Intellectual Dark Web (the subject of his upcoming book from Zero Books) and Jordan Peterson. We also consider the alternative depth psychologist, James Hillman (who arguably speaks more from the left), the applicability of Ken Wilber’s Integral Theory to politics, a need in the consciousness culture for a historic grounding in economic theory, and building towards authentic, bottom-up planetary meshworks.SHOW NOTES / FLORILEGIUMThe Michael Brooks Show on PatreonMichael’s TwitterThe Michael Brooks Show on YouTubeMichael Brooks on Zero BooksJames Hillman, We’ve Had a Hundred Years of Psychotherapy—And the World’s Getting WorseJames Hillman, Re-Visioning Psychology (Recommended)Rebel Wisdom with Doshin Nelson Roshi (apologies for the brain fog during the recording), “A Zen Master Talks About Jordan Peterson and the Shadow”Notes: This conversation and the heated, bifurcated response to it (200k+ views) is very interesting. So much so that there was a follow-up episode with Rebel Wisdom to reflect on why it hit such a nerve. Ken Wilber, in the late 90s and early 2000s, critiqued much of postmodern academia and the progressive left as “flatland reductionism,” “mean green meme” (via Don Beck’s Spiral Dynamics), and “aperspectival madness” (an unfortunate hijacking of Jean Gebser’s term, ‘aperspectival,’ which means something completely different) many years before the Peterson phenomenon in popular culture. There is some substance in these criticisms, (i.e. “true-but-partial”). As we noted in this episode by way of Mark Fisher’s essay, or Angela Nagel’s Kill All Normies, a critique from within the left is needed, and as Rebel Wisdom says often, “the left needs to get its house in order.” I’m in support of this. However, a knowledge and literacy of leftist“theory” is something I often sense is sorely lacking in the integral movement. This is something that Wilber shares with Peterson: a postmodern “allergy,” a lack of progressive metabolism. Integral oriented thinkers from the progressive left desperately need to step forward and bridge that gap.This is why I’m so interested in working with Jean Gebser’s insights into the aperspectival consciousness/integral culture to explore the phenomenology of our culture: the stasis of Gebser’s deficient mental-rational structure, and the crisis of late capitalism, co-inform my understanding of Mark Fisher’s capitalist realism and the Möbius strip of consc --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mutations/message

Wired magazine’s own “Senior Maverick” talks with Ken Wilber about some of the ideas behind Kevin’s blog The Technium, which explores the various ways humanity defines and redefines itself through the interface of science, technology, culture, and consciousness. Kevin also shares some of his own thoughts about the role of spirituality in the 21st century, going into considerable depth around his own spiritual awakening several decades ago. The universe, we are told, is winding down. Nothing escapes the remorseless grasp of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics—and with each passing moment, our world, our solar system, indeed our entire galaxy slowly approaches its inevitable heat-death. But this is not the full story, for while the universe is winding down, it is also winding up, bringing forth new forms from old, adding new layers of complexity where there was once only an empty vacuum. It is what Alfred Whitehead called the “creative advance into novelty,” referring to a distinct “tilt” of the universe toward more complexity, more significance, and more wholeness. From atoms, to molecules, to single-cell and multi-cellular organisms, to the reptilian brain, mammalian brain, and the human neocortex—the universe is abound with inexhaustible creativity, pushing deeper and wider towards its own limitless potential. Entropy and evolution: these two “arrows of time” exert their pull upon everything that ever is, was, and will be—one pulling us up toward the eternal light, the other pulling us down toward the infinite black. But it is not just physical matter that is evolving! Alongside the increasing complexification of the material world, evolution brings forth novelty in at least three other dimensions, particularly evident within human evolution: - We see the evolution of systems, such as the movement from foraging to horticulture, to agriculture, to industrial, to informational modes of techno-economic production. - We see the evolution of cultural worldviews, such as the developmental model offered by Jean Gebser, in which cultures develop through archaic/instinctual, magic/animistic, mythic/traditional, rational/scientific, pluralistic/postmodern, and integral worldviews, each offering radically different ways of interpreting our world and our roles within it. - And, perhaps most profoundly, we see the evolution of consciousness, with cognitive faculties developing from Piaget’s pre-operational, to concrete operational, to formal-operational, to Wilber’s suggested “vision-logic” stage—and with values developing from pre-modern, to modern, to post-modern (or pre-rational, rational, and trans-rational) stages, and beyond. Taken together, we notice a rich mosaic of evolutionary emergence, in at least four important dimensions: subjective and objective development in both individuals and collectives. This gives rise to Wilber’s famous “Four Quadrant” map, one of a handful of basic components that comprise the Integral model. The Integral approach helps to reveal some of the deepest patterns that run through all human knowledge, showing the relationships that exist between physical evolution, systemic evolution, cultural evolution, and conscious evolution.

Wired magazine’s own “Senior Maverick” talks with Ken Wilber about some of the ideas behind Kevin’s blog The Technium, which explores the various ways humanity defines and redefines itself through the interface of science, technology, culture, and consciousness. Kevin also shares some of his own thoughts about the role of spirituality in the 21st century, going into considerable depth around his own spiritual awakening several decades ago. The universe, we are told, is winding down. Nothing escapes the remorseless grasp of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics—and with each passing moment, our world, our solar system, indeed our entire galaxy slowly approaches its inevitable heat-death. But this is not the full story, for while the universe is winding down, it is also winding up, bringing forth new forms from old, adding new layers of complexity where there was once only an empty vacuum. It is what Alfred Whitehead called the “creative advance into novelty,” referring to a distinct “tilt” of the universe toward more complexity, more significance, and more wholeness. From atoms, to molecules, to single-cell and multi-cellular organisms, to the reptilian brain, mammalian brain, and the human neocortex—the universe is abound with inexhaustible creativity, pushing deeper and wider towards its own limitless potential. Entropy and evolution: these two “arrows of time” exert their pull upon everything that ever is, was, and will be—one pulling us up toward the eternal light, the other pulling us down toward the infinite black. But it is not just physical matter that is evolving! Alongside the increasing complexification of the material world, evolution brings forth novelty in at least three other dimensions, particularly evident within human evolution: - We see the evolution of systems, such as the movement from foraging to horticulture, to agriculture, to industrial, to informational modes of techno-economic production. - We see the evolution of cultural worldviews, such as the developmental model offered by Jean Gebser, in which cultures develop through archaic/instinctual, magic/animistic, mythic/traditional, rational/scientific, pluralistic/postmodern, and integral worldviews, each offering radically different ways of interpreting our world and our roles within it. - And, perhaps most profoundly, we see the evolution of consciousness, with cognitive faculties developing from Piaget’s pre-operational, to concrete operational, to formal-operational, to Wilber’s suggested “vision-logic” stage—and with values developing from pre-modern, to modern, to post-modern (or pre-rational, rational, and trans-rational) stages, and beyond. Taken together, we notice a rich mosaic of evolutionary emergence, in at least four important dimensions: subjective and objective development in both individuals and collectives. This gives rise to Wilber’s famous “Four Quadrant” map, one of a handful of basic components that comprise the Integral model. The Integral approach helps to reveal some of the deepest patterns that run through all human knowledge, showing the relationships that exist between physical evolution, systemic evolution, cultural evolution, and conscious evolution.

Wired magazine’s own “Senior Maverick” talks with Ken Wilber about some of the ideas behind Kevin’s blog The Technium, which explores the various ways humanity defines and redefines itself through the interface of science, technology, culture, and consciousness. Kevin also shares some of his own thoughts about the role of spirituality in the 21st century, going into considerable depth around his own spiritual awakening several decades ago. The universe, we are told, is winding down. Nothing escapes the remorseless grasp of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics—and with each passing moment, our world, our solar system, indeed our entire galaxy slowly approaches its inevitable heat-death. But this is not the full story, for while the universe is winding down, it is also winding up, bringing forth new forms from old, adding new layers of complexity where there was once only an empty vacuum. It is what Alfred Whitehead called the “creative advance into novelty,” referring to a distinct “tilt” of the universe toward more complexity, more significance, and more wholeness. From atoms, to molecules, to single-cell and multi-cellular organisms, to the reptilian brain, mammalian brain, and the human neocortex—the universe is abound with inexhaustible creativity, pushing deeper and wider towards its own limitless potential. Entropy and evolution: these two “arrows of time” exert their pull upon everything that ever is, was, and will be—one pulling us up toward the eternal light, the other pulling us down toward the infinite black. But it is not just physical matter that is evolving! Alongside the increasing complexification of the material world, evolution brings forth novelty in at least three other dimensions, particularly evident within human evolution: - We see the evolution of systems, such as the movement from foraging to horticulture, to agriculture, to industrial, to informational modes of techno-economic production. - We see the evolution of cultural worldviews, such as the developmental model offered by Jean Gebser, in which cultures develop through archaic/instinctual, magic/animistic, mythic/traditional, rational/scientific, pluralistic/postmodern, and integral worldviews, each offering radically different ways of interpreting our world and our roles within it. - And, perhaps most profoundly, we see the evolution of consciousness, with cognitive faculties developing from Piaget’s pre-operational, to concrete operational, to formal-operational, to Wilber’s suggested “vision-logic” stage—and with values developing from pre-modern, to modern, to post-modern (or pre-rational, rational, and trans-rational) stages, and beyond. Taken together, we notice a rich mosaic of evolutionary emergence, in at least four important dimensions: subjective and objective development in both individuals and collectives. This gives rise to Wilber’s famous “Four Quadrant” map, one of a handful of basic components that comprise the Integral model. The Integral approach helps to reveal some of the deepest patterns that run through all human knowledge, showing the relationships that exist between physical evolution, systemic evolution, cultural evolution, and conscious evolution.

Wired magazine’s own “Senior Maverick” talks with Ken Wilber about some of the ideas behind Kevin’s blog The Technium, which explores the various ways humanity defines and redefines itself through the interface of science, technology, culture, and consciousness. Kevin also shares some of his own thoughts about the role of spirituality in the 21st century, going into considerable depth around his own spiritual awakening several decades ago. The universe, we are told, is winding down. Nothing escapes the remorseless grasp of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics—and with each passing moment, our world, our solar system, indeed our entire galaxy slowly approaches its inevitable heat-death. But this is not the full story, for while the universe is winding down, it is also winding up, bringing forth new forms from old, adding new layers of complexity where there was once only an empty vacuum. It is what Alfred Whitehead called the “creative advance into novelty,” referring to a distinct “tilt” of the universe toward more complexity, more significance, and more wholeness. From atoms, to molecules, to single-cell and multi-cellular organisms, to the reptilian brain, mammalian brain, and the human neocortex—the universe is abound with inexhaustible creativity, pushing deeper and wider towards its own limitless potential. Entropy and evolution: these two “arrows of time” exert their pull upon everything that ever is, was, and will be—one pulling us up toward the eternal light, the other pulling us down toward the infinite black. But it is not just physical matter that is evolving! Alongside the increasing complexification of the material world, evolution brings forth novelty in at least three other dimensions, particularly evident within human evolution: - We see the evolution of systems, such as the movement from foraging to horticulture, to agriculture, to industrial, to informational modes of techno-economic production. - We see the evolution of cultural worldviews, such as the developmental model offered by Jean Gebser, in which cultures develop through archaic/instinctual, magic/animistic, mythic/traditional, rational/scientific, pluralistic/postmodern, and integral worldviews, each offering radically different ways of interpreting our world and our roles within it. - And, perhaps most profoundly, we see the evolution of consciousness, with cognitive faculties developing from Piaget’s pre-operational, to concrete operational, to formal-operational, to Wilber’s suggested “vision-logic” stage—and with values developing from pre-modern, to modern, to post-modern (or pre-rational, rational, and trans-rational) stages, and beyond. Taken together, we notice a rich mosaic of evolutionary emergence, in at least four important dimensions: subjective and objective development in both individuals and collectives. This gives rise to Wilber’s famous “Four Quadrant” map, one of a handful of basic components that comprise the Integral model. The Integral approach helps to reveal some of the deepest patterns that run through all human knowledge, showing the relationships that exist between physical evolution, systemic evolution, cultural evolution, and conscious evolution.

Jeremy Johnson, a rising voice among integral thinkers, has a passion for the work of Jean Gebser. Gebser, the German/Swiss philosopher who died in 1973, is one of those thinkers ... Read More

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by Jeff Salzman Today I’m joined by one of our most impressive young integral thinkers, Jeremy Johnson. Jeremy is a scholar of the 20th century poet/philosopher Jean Gebser, and is currently president of the international Jean Gebser Society. Gebser is a major (if eccentric) figure in the integral lineage, most famous for describing the structures […] The post The Presence of the Future appeared first on The Daily Evolver.

In this episode we discuss Jean Gebser and the waves of psychological development that all humans progress through. We give clear descriptions of the Archaic, Magic, Mythic, Rational, Pluralistic and Integral methods of thought and give instruction on how to identify each one. Each wave exists for its own purpose and has its own mode of operation. A deeper understanding of these methods of thought leads to a more wholistic perspective and richness in understanding. This psychological system is one of the components of Ken Wilber’s Integral Theory. Archaic – The background source of all reality Magic – One dimensional and mystical explanations of reality Mythic – Narrative and poetic processes of thought Rational – The thesis, antithesis and synthesis method of inquiry Pluralistic – Many perspectives at once and complex comparisons Integral – All perspectives and the ability to navigate with all preceding levels of development

Gary Lachman, author of The Secret Teachers of the Western World, and many other books on esoteric themes, is our guest in podcast episode 165.“Gary Lachman is one of today’s most respected writers on esoteric and occult themes. His many books – including Madame Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley, Swedenborg, Jung the Mystic, and Rudolf Steiner – have received international acclaim. A founding member of the band Blondie, Lachman has been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He lives in London and you can find his web site at garylachman.co.uk.”“This epic study unveils the esoteric masters who have covertly impacted the intellectual development of the West, from Pythagoras and Zoroaster to the modern icons Jean Gebser and Schwaller de Lubicz.“Running alongside the mainstream of Western intellectual history is another current, which, in a very real sense, should take pride of place, but which for the last few centuries has occupied a shadowy, inferior position, somewhere underground. This “other” stream forms the subject of Gary Lachman’s sweeping history and analysis The Secret Teachers of the Western World.“In this clarifying, accessible, and fascinating study, the acclaimed historian explores the Western esoteric tradition – a thought movement with ancient roots and modern expressions, which, in a broad sense, regards the cosmos as a living, spiritual, meaningful being and humankind as having a unique obligation and responsibility in it.“The historical roots of our “counter tradition,” as Lachman explores, have their beginning in Alexandria around the time of Christ. It was then that we find the first written accounts of the ancient tradition, which had earlier been passed on orally. Here, in this remarkable city, filled with teachers, philosophers, and mystics from Egypt, Greece, Asia, and other parts of the world, in a multi-cultural, multi-faith, and pluralistic society, a synthesis took place, a creative blending of different ideas and visions, which gave the hidden tradition the eclectic character it retains today.“With many detours and dead ends, we now seem to be slowly moving into a watershed. It has become clear that the dominant, left-brain, reductionist view, once so liberating and exciting, has run out of steam, and the promise of that much-sought-after “paradigm change” seems possible. We may be on the brink of a culminating moment of the esoteric intellectual tradition of the West.”“It was, we remember, the fusion of the old and new that characterized the Renaissance, and we seek as similar “Goldilocks moment,” when the balance between the two [modes of consciousness] will be “just right.” And while I am not suggesting that we are definitely on the cusp of a similarly creative time – I make no prophecy of yet another new age – there is no reason to believe such an outcome is impossible. Making it possible is up to us. Any lasting change must first take place in the individual. Future historians will have to determine the outcome and what, if anything, we today have learned from the secret teachers of the western world.” – Gary Lachman, The Secret Teachers of the Western World, p. 464I very much appreciated this most recent book by Gary Lachman because of the way he explores the history of western esotericism by walking the line between initiate and scholar with ease. I also thought the underlying narrative about human consciousness was both necessary and masterfully done. I think this book deserves a place on your shelf and from the interview, the depth of Lachman’s knowledge about his subjects is clear. I highly recommend The Secret Teachers of the Western World.In the Occult of Personality Membership Section, Gary Lachman talks more about his epic tome, The Secret Teachers of the Western World as we continue to explore some of the most important, but lesser known figures in western esotericism. Don’t miss second half of this excellent interview. Just go to occultofpersonality.net/membership and join now if you haven’t already. It’s the best way to support the podcast while receiving access to a tremendous amount of additional exclusive content.intro music by Paul Avgerinosoutro music – “Eternal Grace” by Sound of Seventy Three

Gary Lachman, author of The Secret Teachers of the Western World, and many other books on esoteric themes, is our guest in podcast episode 165. “Gary Lachman is one of today’s most respected writers on esoteric and occult themes. His many books – including Madame Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley, Swedenborg, Jung the Mystic, and Rudolf Steiner – have received international acclaim. A founding member of the band Blondie, Lachman has been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He lives in London and you can find his web site at garylachman.co.uk.” “This epic study unveils the esoteric masters who have covertly impacted the intellectual development of the West, from Pythagoras and Zoroaster to the modern icons Jean Gebser and Schwaller de Lubicz. “Running alongside the mainstream of Western intellectual history is another current, which, in a very real sense, should take pride of place, but which for the last few centuries has occupied a shadowy, inferior position, somewhere underground. This “other” stream forms the subject of Gary Lachman’s sweeping history and analysis The Secret Teachers of the Western World. “In this clarifying, accessible, and fascinating study, the acclaimed historian explores the Western esoteric tradition – a thought movement with ancient roots and modern expressions, which, in a broad sense, regards the cosmos as a living, spiritual, meaningful being and humankind as having a unique obligation and responsibility in it. “The historical roots of our “counter tradition,” as Lachman explores, have their beginning in Alexandria around the time of Christ. It was then that we find the first written accounts of the ancient tradition, which had earlier been passed on orally. Here, in this remarkable city, filled with teachers, philosophers, and mystics from Egypt, Greece, Asia, and other parts of the world, in a multi-cultural, multi-faith, and pluralistic society, a synthesis took place, a creative blending of different ideas and visions, which gave the hidden tradition the eclectic character it retains today. “With many detours and dead ends, we now seem to be slowly moving into a watershed. It has become clear that the dominant, left-brain, reductionist view, once so liberating and exciting, has run out of steam, and the promise of that much-sought-after “paradigm change” seems possible. We may be on the brink of a culminating moment of the esoteric intellectual tradition of the West.” “It was, we remember, the fusion of the old and new that characterized the Renaissance, and we seek as similar “Goldilocks moment,” when the balance between the two [modes of consciousness] will be “just right.” And while I am not suggesting that we are definitely on the cusp of a similarly creative time – I make no prophecy of yet another new age – there is no reason to believe such an outcome is impossible. Making it possible is up to us. Any lasting change must first take place in the individual. Future historians will have to determine the outcome and what, if anything, we today have learned from the secret teachers of the western world.” – Gary Lachman, The Secret Teachers of the Western World, p. 464 I very much appreciated this most recent book by Gary Lachman because of the way he explores the history of western esotericism by walking the line between initiate and scholar with ease. I also thought the underlying narrative about human consciousness was both necessary and masterfully done. I think this book deserves a place on your shelf and from the interview, the depth of Lachman’s knowledge about his subjects is clear. I highly recommend The Secret Teachers of the Western World. In the Occult of Personality Membership Section, Gary Lachman talks more about his epic tome, The Secret Teachers of the Western World as we continue to explore some of the most important, but lesser known figures in western esotericism. Don’t miss second half of this excellent interview. Just go to occultofpersonality.net/membership and join now if you haven’t already. It’s the best way to support the podcast while receiving access to a tremendous amount of additional exclusive content. intro music by Paul Avgerinos outro music – “Eternal Grace” by Sound of Seventy Three

A discussion of Winter of Origins—the #litgeeks book club reading of The Ever-Present Origin, by Jean Gebser—with Jeremy D. Johnson. We explore how a return to literary, philosophical, and spiritual origins could reinvigorate our creativity and communities of thought.