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A myth retold.This book is C. S. Lewis at his most mature, and he considered it to be his favorite of his own works. Many readers find it to be a difficult book and hard to decipher. What is the story of Cupid and Psyche and how is Lewis retelling it? Teacher and Lewis scholar, Annie Crawford, joins the show to discuss all of this and more. Follow Annie Crawford on Twitter.com @annielcrawfordCheck out her classes at The Symbolic World:Till We Have Faces: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/till-we-have-faces-with-annie-crawford The Cosmic Trilogy:https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/c-s-lewis-ransom-trilogy*************************************************************************************************************Follow me on Twitter @AaronIrberSubscribe to my Substack - https://aaronirber.substack.com/ for updates on the show, essays, and more!Donate to my Patreon - I Might Believe in Faeries https://www.patreon.com/imightbelieveinfaeriesLike my Facebook page - I Might Believe in FaeriesBattle Of The Creek by Alexander Nakarada | https://www.serpentsoundstudios.comMusic promoted by https://www.free-stock-music.comAttribution 4.0 International (CC BY 4.0)https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Logo Art by Linnea Kisby*************************************************************************************************************
Till We Have Faces, Class Two
The finale of the Till We Have Faces series! Original episode description: Welcome to the finale of Till We Have Faces on The Inklings Variety Hour! Author and speaker Andrew Lazo from Pints with Jack joins Chris and Anika for our final discussion of Till We Have Faces. It was, as always, a delight and an epiphany, Andrew! Among other things, we discuss: The Four Loves Williams-esque redemption of Orual and Psyche Lewis' poem Reason Names in Till We Have Faces What in the world is Ungit? Orual's last word (hint: it's probably not "arrrgghhh") Joy's role in helping to write (and inspire) TWHF Many, many thanks to Logan Huggins for producing this episode! If you'd like to join one of our conversations, odds are, we'd love to have you! We'd also love to hear from you, so feel free to email us at InklingsVarietyHour@gmail.com. Next time: Hold on to your electric torches! Season Two of The Inklings Variety Hour begins with Prince Caspian!
C. S. Lewis is arguably the greatest philosopher of the twentieth century, offering a panoply of scholarly, fictional, children's, allegorical, and polemic works that provide an extraordinary metaphysical-aesthetic vision of the human need for the divine. His novel, Till We Have Faces, is without question his greatest work of all. Set in an entirely pagan context, Lewis drives us through our own self-justifications to confront the fact that “we cannot know the gods face to face till we have faces.” Don't miss it.
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Sorry for the late upload, once again! I've been preparing for the new season! The first episode of Season 5, covering The Horse and His Boy, will be coming out in a few days! See you then, and in the meantime, enjoy some more travels in Glome!
Apologies (again) for the late Saturday upload. Here's Part 7 of our Till We Have Faces series. Enjoy! Stay tuned for the first brand new episode of Season 5. We'll start with The Horse and His Boy on March 4 and update with a new episode every two weeks. --------------------------------------------------------- Original description: If you like this podcast, please give us a review in iTunes! Also, we'd love to hear from you! Email us at InklingsVarietyHour@gmail.com. This week, Chris and Anika discuss Chapters 12 and 13 of Till We Have Faces. Subjects for discussion include: Santeria and the First Amendment (and also, of course, "Santeria" by Sublime) How Orual-the-author is being changed while telling us about Orual-the-character's refusal to change Possessive love and our tendency to be ruined by strong loves The "ferly" in Middle English literature Is Bardia's fear of the gods practical fear for his safety or fear of the numinous? Orual withholds key evidence! The Fox's theology and soul-houses How true divine nature is foolishness to the Greek and a stumbling block for the Glomian At the end: Various proposals for an '80s fantasy movie based on Till We Have Faces. (Someone please make a poster of this idea.) Special thanks to my brother Jason Pipkin for the incredible '80s-style synth track used at the end! Apologies if I overuse it, but I really liked it. Other music sampled includes: "Our Father" in Aramaic "The Hurrian Hymn" as played by Michael Levy "Santeria," by Sublime "Princes of the Universe," by Queen "Quantum Leap" theme by Mike Post In two weeks, we meet the God of the Mountain! Talk about numinous and sublime!
Apologies for the late upload! A new season of The Inklings Variety Hour is coming on Tuesdays in March, starting with The Horse and His Boy. In the meantime, enjoy this old episode, with one of our first guest-stars, Andrew Lazo, talking about his favorite Lewis book, Till We Have Faces! Original Description: This week, we're talking with Andrew Lazo, author, speaker, and noted Till We Have Faces and C.S. Lewis scholar. You can find additional information about Andrew's projects, current and future, at mythoflove.net. We would like to thank David Bates at Pints with Jack for connecting us with Andrew! In this episode, Anika, Chris and Andrew discuss some classical and medieval influences on Till We Have Faces, as well as concepts like mortal shame and the way physical and spiritual attitudes alter perception in Lewis' work. In some ways, this is also a broader view of Till We Have Faces itself, thanks to Andrew's expertise. Stay tuned for bonus material at the end, where we hear from Andrew about the circumstances of Lewis' writing of Till We Have Faces. Enjoy the conversation! We certainly did. Some references in this episode: A Naked Tree, by Joy Davidman Becoming Mrs. Lewis Over the Rhine (band) Weeping Bay, by Joy Davidman "After Ten Years," from Of Other Worlds by C.S. Lewis Pearl, by the Gawain-poet (Tolkien's translation here) (Original text here) If you're enjoying The Inklings Variety Hour, drop us a line to tell us so! You can email us at InklingsVarietyHour@gmail.com. Also! Please find us on iTunes and give us a rating if you like us. Additionally, if you'd ever like to guest star and talk with us about these works (whether you are a scholar or not), we'd love to have you. If you're listening to this podcast, you are already a kindred spirit, and we would enjoy meeting you. Just saying.
A discussion with Jason Baxter, Nicholas Colloff and Mark Vernon.The Abolition of Man is a series of three lectures given by C.S. Lewis in defence of objective value, arguing that modernity has undermined our humanity by uncoupling intellect from instinct. With hearts divorced from minds, first the world empties of presence, then life empties of meaning and people become “men without chests”.That Hideous Strength is a fictionalised version of the abolition, exploring the impact of transhumanism, aggressive rationalism, absent gods, and an inability to contemplate and know reality as it is.Till We Have Faces also tells of a world in which humanity is veiled and power rules, though in which gods make unexpected appearances and humanity is restored by learning to bear the weight of being once more.How do these works account for today? What remedies do they offer? Why might we keep reading them?0:00 Introductions01:47 The core ideas of The Abolition of Man04:46 All truths cannot be relative!09:38 The need for an aesthetic education12:13 Owen Barfield on objectivity and subjectivity 20:02 Chivalry and recovering spiritual practices28:25 A time in which everything is real30:56 The core ideas in That Hideous Strength39:48 The uninvited powers of material times41:48 The need for wisdom communities44:25 Why the Arthurian weaves in the story?49:10 Learning about and learning from53:21 Lewis's violence and the eruption of power56:48 The core ideas in Till We Have Faces59:45 The retelling of the myth of Cupid and Psyche01:01:52 When truth is too much to bear01:04:07 The recovery of humanity and the face of God01:06:02 The value of myth and moving from the linear01:09:30 Remaking or merely copying? A thought on Notre Dame01:11:17 Emptying and the fullness of divine presence01:12:58 Jane and Mark in the bridal chamber01:15:35 When everything is the face of GodJason is Professor and Director of Center for Beauty and Culture, Benedictine College. For more - www.jasonmbaxter.comFor more on Nicholas Colloff - https://ncolloff.blogspot.comFor more on Mark Vernon - www.markvernon.com
A new season of The Inklings Variety Hour is coming your way in March! In the meantime, here's another rerun. Old description: This week, we are still hiking up the enchanting mountain that is Till We Have Faces: A Myth Retold, hearts dancing all the while. And why should they not, as we discuss such topics as: Fighting and work as a potential antidote for depression Resurrection as a potential antidote for depression How King Trom is a bro Refusal of joy and its effect on perception Would-be eucatastrophe Landscape, symbolism, and the sticky wicket of literalized metaphor Potential lawsuits Psyche could bring against Redival Recommendations include: cslewisdoodle Hunting the Unicorn: A Critical Biography of Ruth Pitter We'd love to hear from you if you're enjoying the podcast! We'd also love to have you on the show if you'd like to join us sometime (and don't mind reading a few chapters of Till We Have Faces first)! Our email is InklingsVarietyHour@gmail.com. Next time we will have Till We Have Faces scholar Andrew Lazo on to discuss Chapters 10, 11, and 12! It will be worth the wait!
From the vaults! More of C.S. Lewis' underrated final novel! Original description: In which Anika and Chris reveal the fairly shallow reason we had for doing Till We Have Faces this year and accidentally endorse human sacrifice. Mostly, we talk about Chapter 7, in which Orual and Psyche say goodbye, and Chapter 8, in which Orual decides to journey to the mountain and recover Psyche's body. At issue are whether or not selfish love is still love and whether sacrifice (especially human sacrifice) is effective. Other highlights: Ash Wednesday Anecdotes Anika reads Lewis' poem, "As the Ruin Falls" Till We Have Faces as a text that changes its narrator Finally, inspired by WandaVision, the hosts ask whether Till We Have Faces would make a good sitcom--and what kind of sitcom it would be? Have your own thoughts? Email us at InklingsVarietyHour@gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you. Music credits: The "Our Father" in Aramaic The Hurrian Hymn "Aase's Death," by Edvard Grieg "The Toy Parade," by Dave Kahn, Melvyn Leonard and Mort Greene "Everywhere You Look," by Jesse Frederick "With a Little Help From My Friends," by Joe Cocker
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Till We Have Faces, Part 2! Here are the original shownotes: In the spirit of Groundhog's Day, Chris and Anika dig into Chapters 3-4 of Lewis' Till We Have Faces, which retells the Cupid and Psyche myth. We discuss, among other things: The apparent popularity of J.G. Frazer in Glome "Foxy Redival's Flirtations" Whether we're the worst at what we care about most (and other cheering thoughts) Soup and Religion (and other metaphors) Narrative asides about weeping in Lewis Our ideas for movie adaptations of TWHF Music: The Hurrian Hymn "Our Father" in Aramaic They say that behind every groundhog is a Shadowbrute requiring human sacrifice. May the good town officials of Punxsutawney fail to see it this year. For all our sakes. As always, please give us ratings on iTunes if you enjoy this! It means a lot to us and helps others find the podcast! Also--feel free to send us your thoughts at InklingsVarietyHour@gmail.com Thank you for joining us! Next time (in two weeks), we will be joined by special guest and Inklings scholar Sorina Higgins!
Sorry about the late upload! Enjoy! From the original episode description: Welcome back to The Inklings Variety Hour! It's a new year, and Ungit has only just hatched out of her egg-house (or something), but already, your intrepid hosts are tackling C.S. Lewis' novel, Till We Have Faces (1956)--widely considered the best novel he ever wrote. Chris, Anika, and Meagan discuss this retelling of the Cupid and Psyche myth as only the Inklings Variety Hour can--with lots of digressions, reading of passages, and laughter. If you're enjoying this podcast, we're glad to have you along for the ride, and we'd love to know you! Drop us a line at InklingsVarietyHour@gmail.com. Ratings on the iTunes store would be most welcome also. Music for this episode includes: The Hurrian Hymn The "Our Father" in Aramaic "Sick Muse" by Metric
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“For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.” - 1 Corinthians 13:12 Maybe you remember with me how that phrase in King James was, “through a glass darkly.” As a child I always imagined myself peering into a glass orb at some magical world, (maybe even Heaven), but not quite making out the shapes. That held some real mystique for me. I had no idea nor care what this could have to do with love, which was still an icky concept to me anyway. Alas, that was when I was a child. When I became a man, I put away childish things and got back to fairy tales. I have since learned that it was ‘glass,' as in Alice's ‘looking glass.' The mirror mix-up reminds me of the astronomer Percival Lowell, who was convinced that he was seeing spoke-like features on the surface of Venus, yet unable to replicate the findings for other observers. As it happens, the ambitious stargazer had unwittingly turned his telescope into an ophthalmoscope and was actually just seeing the blood vessels in his own eyeballs reflected back onto his vision. Alice, too, thought she was peering into an alien world, when it turns out she was only learning about herself. But how does focusing on yourself help you love God and others? Isn't love about self-denial? Well, we often cause hurt to others merely by being ourselves around them. They need us to be better, and love demands we try. So, I'm starting with the man in the mirror, and I'm asking him to change his ways. Squint with me this Sunday and we'll see what we can see about all that.
“For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.” - 1 Corinthians 13:12 Maybe you remember with me how that phrase in King James was, “through a glass darkly.” As a child I always imagined myself peering into a glass orb at some magical world, (maybe even Heaven), but not quite making out the shapes. That held some real mystique for me. I had no idea nor care what this could have to do with love, which was still an icky concept to me anyway. Alas, that was when I was a child. When I became a man, I put away childish things and got back to fairy tales. I have since learned that it was ‘glass,' as in Alice's ‘looking glass.' The mirror mix-up reminds me of the astronomer Percival Lowell, who was convinced that he was seeing spoke-like features on the surface of Venus, yet unable to replicate the findings for other observers. As it happens, the ambitious stargazer had unwittingly turned his telescope into an ophthalmoscope and was actually just seeing the blood vessels in his own eyeballs reflected back onto his vision. Alice, too, thought she was peering into an alien world, when it turns out she was only learning about herself. But how does focusing on yourself help you love God and others? Isn't love about self-denial? Well, we often cause hurt to others merely by being ourselves around them. They need us to be better, and love demands we try. So, I'm starting with the man in the mirror, and I'm asking him to change his ways. Squint with me this Sunday and we'll see what we can see about all that.
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This week, host Jason Jefferies is joined by the busiest reader on the planet, Dan Hawkins! Topics of discussion include Homer's The Iliad and The Odyssey, Madeline Miller's The Song of Achilles and Circe, James Joyce's Ulysses, C.S. Lewis's Till We Have Faces, Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?, and much more. Copies of all of these books and more can be purchased at Page 158 Books in Wake Forest, NC.
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John J. Miller is joined by Elizabeth Baird Hardy of Mayland Community College to discuss C. S. Lewis's 'Till We Have Faces.'
You also shall be Psyche. Join us on the Signum University Discord server: https://discord.com/invite/szXMFAv
Tonight, Psyche will complete her final task and bear the casket of beauty to Ungit. Join us on the Signum University Discord server: https://discord.com/invite/szXMFAv
SHOWNOTES Today I interview Fr. Michael Ward. He is an Englishman, a Catholic Priest, and a literary critic and theologian, with a special expertise in the writings of C. S. Lewis. He will share with us insights on C. S. Lewis' works and gives great recommendations on why read his works and which are the most important from his point of view. - Fr. Michael Ward is a Catholic Priest who teaches in Oxford, England. - Some books written by Fr. Michael Ward: “Planet Narnia”; “After Humanity”; “Popcorn with the Pope” - C. S. Lewis' Books recommended by Fr. Ward: “The Four Loves”, “The Abolition of Man”; “The Screwtape Letters”; “Till We Have Faces.” - Further reading on C.S. Lewis: Catholic Answers Article on the “Abolition of Man”. - Fr. Patrick Wainwright is a priest of Miles Christi, a Catholic Religious Order. - Visit the Miles Christi Religious Order website: https://www.mileschristi.org - This Podcast's Website: www.forcollegecatholics.org - To learn about the Spiritual Exercises (silent weekend retreat) preached by the Priests of Miles Christi, visit: https://www.mileschristi.org/spiritual-exercises/ - Recorded at “The Grotto” at Hillsdale College, Michigan. - Planning, recording, editing, and publishing by Fr. Patrick Wainwright, MC. - Gear: Two SE Electronics V7 dynamic microphones and ZOOM H6 recorder. - Intro music from pond5.com
In this episode, we dive into the second part of the great myth of Cupid and Psyche, told from the perspective of one of her ugly stepsisters -- and we finally come to the meaning of the title.
Director Hodges and Ben Cumming discuss CS Lewis' marvelous fiction, TILL WE HAVE FACES, a retelling of the myth of Cupid and Psyche.
Tonight we will look at the final temptation of Psyche and the long-awaited reunion. Join us on the Signum University Discord server: https://discord.com/invite/szXMFAv
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Tonight we and Orual look back at the earlier narrative with a new perspective. Join us on the Signum University Discord server: https://discord.com/invite/szXMFAvd
Orual absorbs what she learned in her day in court. Join us on the Signum University Discord server: https://discord.com/invite/szXMFAv
Orual's day in court finally comes: her complaint against the gods is to be heard. Join us on the Signum University Discord server: https://discord.com/invite/szXMFAv
Tonight we will look at Orual's final two visions of suffering and impossible tasks, and prepare for the Trial of the Gods.
So you've realized the uncomfortable truth that you are Ungit. What do you do?
Having removed her veil once, Orual continues to do so, looking into one mirror after another.
Dan and Alex meet up with book club members Tyler and Angie Panian to wrap up their coverage of Till We Have Faces. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/cslewisbookclub/message
This evening we join Orual for her confrontation with Ansit, Bardia's widow.
So, who is Ungit? Or is that question too personal?
Dan and Alex discuss book 2 of Till We Have Faces. Next week we wrap up our coverage and talk to some of our book club members. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/cslewisbookclub/message
Dan and Alex discuss chapters 11-21 of book 1 in Till We Have Faces. Next week we will cover book 2. Send us a voice memo! Follow us on Instagram @c.s.lewisbookclub Email us: bookclub@mtnair.media --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/cslewisbookclub/message
A few years ago, a Philadelphia area Apple store featured a display in which a vibrant rainbow of the latest iPhones broke through a greyscale crowd of people. What was particularly striking about the advertisement wasn't the use of contrast nor that this was not some thinly veiled “Pride” month display. The multi-colored iPhones were positioned like veils, so that no face, or even part of a face, could be seen. If Apple hoped the display would inspire new eagerness to join the technicolor life awaiting customers behind their screens instead, by veiling human faces, the campaign unveiled the depersonalizing effects of our most ubiquitous technologies, especially smartphones, social media, and the internet. This combination–which makes up our brave new world of new media–regularly functions as barriers to other people and to the outside world, behind which we hide. Think of the socially anxious teen whose face is “glued” to the screen or think of the man who surfs for sexually explicit content online. New media offers them and others a place of anonymity, where they can live and move and have their being, unencumbered by others. Our “digital veils” also function as a source of power and control, in a way depicted long ago in C.S. Lewis's classic, Till We Have Faces. The main character and narrator in the story is Orual, the unattractive and tomboyish older sister of the goddess Psyche. Orual convinces Psyche to disobey her husband, the god Cupid, who then banishes Psyche and ends their marriage. As a result, Orual decides to live out the rest of her days wearing a black veil. The veil, which starts off as “a sort of treaty made with [her] ugliness,” quickly becomes a form of power and control. Whereas her ugliness and mannishness caused others to disregard her, the veil gives her a kind of power over others. Her father, the king, takes her seriously, suitors flock to her, and enemies respect her. By shrouding her face in mystery, the veil even led some to imagine she was a dazzling beauty or even a spirit. Like Orual's veil, new media can become a kind of digital veil offered that enables us to hide from others, influence their perceptions of us, and control our personal images. Social media especially functions in this way. We build profiles of perfectly lighted and cropped snapshots, snippets of the latest vacation, nights out with friends, and personal projects. Through this, we shape others' perceptions of us, giving them the impression that our lives are constantly happy, fun, and productive. Through the process, some even become online “influencers,” influencing what others post, buy, or do. Ultimately, the veil's power and control are short lived. Despite their apparent advantages, digital veils leave us anxious and unknown. As one popular YouTuber, Samuel Bosch, shared in a video earlier this year: I sometimes think that many of you have this very wrong impression that I'm always happy, traveling and productive, that I can buy anything I want to, get any job I desire, or date whoever I want to. Yet, for all his success as an online influencer, MIT Ph.D. student, and tech entrepreneur, Bosch is, admittedly, unhappy. This is because we were made by God to be known. It is, in fact, a central conclusion of the psalmist David that, wherever we go, we are known. Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence? If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there! If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there your hand shall lead me, and your right hand shall hold me. If I say, “Surely the darkness shall cover me, and the light about me be night,” even the darkness is not dark to you; the night is bright as the day, for darkness is as light with you. The psalm begins with the definitive statement that God has indeed searched and known him and ends with an invitation to God to search and know him. That's the tension, isn't it? Years ago, as I wrestled through Psalm 139 with a group of college students facing graduation, they articulated that tension, of both comfort and fear, that they are always known and always seen. Ultimately, all veils are an illusion. They may hide us from others, but they cannot hide us from God, who not only sees us and knows us, but created us to be seen and known both by and for others. Toward the end of Lewis' masterpiece, Orual visits the widow of her beloved servant Bardia. Upset that the widow might be jealous of the time Bardia spent with her, Orual jumps up in a burst of rage and lifts her veil to show the widow that she had nothing of which to be jealous. However, rather than being met with fear or hatred or disregard, Orual is met with the widow's compassion and kindness. Orual finds herself no longer alone, no longer unknown, no longer unloved. Like Orual, we can lay down our digital veils. When we do, we will find that we are already truly seen, truly known, and truly loved by God, and we can be truly seen, known, and loved by others. This Breakpoint was co-authored by Jared Eckert. For more resources to live like a Christian in this cultural moment, go to breakpoint.org.