Podcasts about two old bitches

In this episode, we take to the airwaves with two special guests — and fellow podcasters — Joanne Sandler and Idelisse Malavé. Their thought-provoking program, Two Old Bitches, is dedicated to telling the stories of remarkable women. Discover how these dynamic hosts navigate the digital landscape to share powerful conversations, celebrate aging, and challenge stereotypes.  Senior Planet from AARP is a community of people 60 and older who are learning to thrive in the digital world. Senior Planet programs are offered free of charge online and in-person to help older adults build technology skills to allow them to improve their health, make new friendships, save money, and advocate in their communities. To learn more, visit www.seniorplanet.org or follow @SeniorPlanet on social media.

True confessions: as Two Old Bitches, we fully expected the Golden Bachelor to be the height of cringey, old-people porn. Watching 22 women in their 60s and 70s compete for the affections of one old man threatened gladiator-level, fury- induced female feuds. And were we ever wrong!  Kathy Swarts, one of the most memorable of the contestants, set us straight in our delightful conversation with her. Kathy, at 70 years old, helped us understand that the real story of the Golden Bachelor is not a longed-for romance between a man and a woman --in this case, Gerry Turner and his choice, Theresa Nist who married immediately after the show ended to only announce their divorce three months later in mid-April! The real story is the phenomenal friendships forged by the gutsy, adventurous and authentic women who were chosen to ‘contest.' Join us to hear Kathy, and two other contestants who make surprise cameo appearances, reveal how their experiences on the show awakened new curiosities and aspirations. From finding a man who loves life as much as she does to hosting her own TV show, Kathy, and her new crew of friends, are exploring a new range of possibilities for what's next. We're sure you'll want to know more so once you've tuned in to this TOB episode, join Kathy and Susan Noles, another contestant, for their new podcast, The Golden Hour. This conversation roused our interest in delving into the diverse approaches and stories of ‘later daters,' so if you have an experience to share about dating in your 60s, 70s or 80s – or why you've decided to forego the experience – please reach out to us through our website or DM us on Instagram or Facebook! Enjoy the show! ------------------------------ Visit www.twooldbitches.com Follow us on Instagram @twooldbitches, Twitter @TwoOldBitches, Facebook @TwoOBPodcast Created, Produced and hosted by Joanne Sandler &  Idelisse Malavé Edited by Jeyda Bicer Social media management by Loubna Bouajaj

Who Are You? It's a simple and profound question that we ask (almost) every guest on Two Old Bitches. And given that most of our guests are women over 60, we were curious if a review of their answers might reveal some patterns or insights into how we identify as we age. What we found: for some people, it still changes daily. Others had epiphanies early in life and still identify with that early notion of who they are. And then there are those who are completely stumped by the thought of describing who they are. The 80+ responses from our guests to this question fall into six categories.  All of them speak to an inspiring insight: no matter their age or circumstance, our guests live very much in the present and manage a beautiful blend of respect for their pasts and aspirations for the future. So before you listen, take a minute, answer the question for yourself. “Who Are You?” And then listen to the diverse and delightful reflections that these 19 guests offer on who they are. In this episode, you will hear the voices of (in this order): Chiemi Karasawa (Season 5, Ep 7) Lucero Gonzalez (Season 5, Ep 4) /Sandra Garcia Betancourt (Season 1, Ep 2) Cynthia Madansky (Season 5, Ep 9) Geeta Misra (Season 4, Ep 1) Sandra Guzman (Season 5, Ep 1) Inca Mohammed (Season 2, Ep 9) Tracy Hyter Suffern (Season 4, Ep 8) Claron M. McFadden (Season 7, Ep 1) Ruth Strassberg (Season 5, Ep 10) Srilatha Batliwala (Season 6, Ep 7) Branca Moreira Alves (Season 8, Ep 10) Nadine Hack (Season 7, Ep 9) Jaune Evans (Season 2, Ep 4) Donna Uchizono (Season 8, Ep 7) Sharon Louden (Season 4, Ep 7) Sari Botton (Season 7, Ep 7) Ayesha Pande (Season 8, Ep 2) Stephen Williams (Season 8, Ep 1) Marlyse Yearby (Season 8, Ep 5)

We couldn't resist. We were way too curious about ChatGPT to let all of the controversy and (rightful) concern about the dangers of AI deter us from asking it about our favorite topic: the experiences of women in our second half of life. So we asked Chat to take on the persona of an older woman, "dive into the muddy waters of gender and ageism" and share "wisdom that only comes from years of livin' and loving." What we found? You be the judge. She is clearly artificial and not very intelligent but she gave us a lot to think about and had an amazingly positive view about aging. Hope she similarly inspires you, dear listener. Or as ChatGPT said when we asked her to write the blurb, "Grab your earbuds and settle in, sugar, 'cause these two old bitches got a tale or two to tell." NOTE: In this episode, ChatGPT is played by our multi-talented producer, Katharine Heller.

Two Old Bitches love a good reinvention story. By her count at 73, MaryJane Fahey is on “her 5th reinvention!” (But who's counting?) She was a designer, published author, now an editor, writer, future playwright, future sculptor –and the list goes on. A few years ago, she started Glorious Broads, a media platform that encourages “women of all ages not to be scared of aging.” On Instagram, Tik Tok and Facebook, GB lifts up fabulous older women, “sages not saints,” living “imaginative, open, spectacular lives.” This year Glorious Broads is pitching a limited television series about the sex lives of women in the second half of life. Brimming with ideas, Maryjane is also working on a monologue about some of her icons navigating aging, and a possible theater piece. A decade or so ago –in her …fourth reinvention(?)– she co-authored Dumped, a post-breakup bible for women. Maryjane is a Two Old Bitches kindred spirit whose motto is “It is never too late. Period. End of story.” We think you'll enjoy listening to our conversation with this exuberant, straight talking Glorious Broad as much as we did having it.   Check out (and follow) Glorious Broads' amazing social media on Instagram (@gloriousbroads) and TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@gloriousbroads?lang=en). And watch GB's interview with Old Bitch Joanne at https://www.tiktok.com/@gloriousbroads/video/7223376161638862123?lang=en

Branca Moreira Alves, 82, is absolutely certain about a lot of things: that her primary identity is ‘feminist', that life is a lot of fun, and that moments matter.  A key leader in launching the second wave feminist movement in Brazil -- during its brutal dictatorship from the mid-60s to the mid-80s -- Branca shares vivid memories and poignant reflections on feminist awakenings, political evolutions and balancing public protest and private privilege. She and Joanne met when they both worked at the UN Development Fund for Women (UNIFEM) in the 90s and have been fast friends ever since. Over the past two years, Branca collaborated with her close friend, another well-known Brazilian feminist leader, Jacqueline Pitanguy, to write Feminisms in Brazil: Memories of Those Who Made it Happen. The book is receiving hugely positive reviews and Branca is already making plans for her next book. Branca was one of the earliest cheerleaders for Two Old Bitches and we continue to appreciate her feedback and insights. Tune in to our conversation with Branca, revel in her recollections of moments that matter, and watch out for her next book!! 

What are you streaming these days? Two Old Bitches always wants to know, especially if you find shows that feature pithy, provocative and stereotype-busting roles for women of a certain age. Luckily, we're seeing some uptick in those (though not nearly pithy and provocative enough and mostly white women....). That's why we're back with two of our three magnificent Screen Bitches -- Debbie Zimmerman (commentator extraordinaire and fearless leader of feminist film organization Women Make Movies) and Malaga Baldi (goddess literary agent and country bumpkin) -- to explore three recent shows that really grabbed our attention. Good Luck to You Leo Grande is streaming on Hulu and features the inimitable Emma Thompson as a recently widowed woman in her fifties who hires a sex worker in search of her first orgasm. Hacks (Season 2) stars the always-mesmerizing Jean Smart -- who won her second Emmy for Hacks as lead actress in a comedy series this year -- and is streaming on HBO. And we have a lot of conflicting views and feelings about the fourth season of Borgen, a Danish political series streaming on Netflix and starring Sidse Babett Knudsen. If you want media commentary from an unapologetically old-bitch/feminist perspective (and who wouldn't??), listen to this lively episode, tune in to the shows we're talking about, and let us know what you're watching. Can't wait to hear from you! and p.s.: Screen Bitch Aruna Rao was on 'unpaid' vacation in Norway when we recorded this episode. We hope to have her back next time!

As soon as we learned we landed an interview with Judy Gold, stellar comedian, actor and writer, Two Old Bitches started grinning and giggling. What a coup! Once we actually began talking with her, we laughed out loud, and often, at her insightful zingers. Judy, whose comedic heroes are Joan Rivers and Phyllis Diller, makes you laugh, and think. Approaching 60, her many credits include: countless stand-up comedy performances; two Emmys for her work as a writer and producer on The Rosie O'Donnell Show; two off-Broadway shows, “The Judy Show: My Life as a Sitcom” and “25 Questions for a Jewish Mother;” two books, “Yes I Can Say That: When They Come for the Comedians We're All in Trouble” and “25 Questions for a Jewish Mother;” a weekly podcast, “Kill Me Now;” and roles on television series from the more recent Better Things to Madame Secretary, 30 Rock, Law & Order, Ugly Betty” and “Sex and the City.” Why doesn't Judy Gold have her own series? It's past time, Hollywood! In the meantime, for a much needed dose of her edgy humor, listen to this funny episode.  (Special thanks to literary agent and Screen Bitch Malaga Baldi for putting us in touch with Judy.)

What does it take to be a man whom we interview on Two Old Bitches? Stephen P. Williams, 64, only the second man on our show in five years, is an excellent example of just what it takes. A journalist, author, visual artist and the creator of Stephen's People, a newsletter on aging, he is as fascinated by getting old as we are. (Full disclosure: his piece on Old Men sex dolls in his newsletter also captured our imagination!) Stephen has written that as a boy growing up in Kansas,  he “leaned back under a cottonwood and felt wind, the sky and the leaves, all connected. That pure sensation guided everything that followed.” He has written a number of nonfiction books --Blockchain: The Next Everything is the latest-- and six as-of-yet unpublished novels. In the midst of the pandemic, he set off on a road trip captured in his video, art and word project, Postcards from Pandemic. With curiosity, thoughtfulness and wit, he brings a fresh and realistic take on aging to Stephen's People --and did we mention he gives damn good dating advice? Listen to our conversation with Stephen and then subscribe to his weekly newsletter.

Maya is a nationally renowned racial justice and equity activist and advocate who ran for mayor of New York City in 2021. She should have won! In our conversation with her in 2018, she shared that she was no longer an optimist, but hadn't given up hope. She has “a passion for the possible” combined with a laser focus on fighting for our democracy. If you watch TV news (MSNBC), you likely saw her share her sharp analysis on the assault against our country's values and heard her wise counsel on priorities for collective action, including activism on the upcoming census. Now 58, she has litigated, lobbied the U.S. Congress, and developed programs to transform structural racism in the U.S. and in South Africa.  Maya recently served as Counsel to New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, chaired the New York City Police Department's Civilian Complaint Review Board, founded and led the Center for Social Inclusion, and is now Senior Vice President for Social Justice at the New School. Maya's guidance, struggle and compassion in these perilous times are enough to turn these Two Old Bitches into possibilists as well. And you?  Click here for the original post.

In honor of Mother's Day we are bringing back this classic from season 4. “Two of my heroes are mother and my grandmother…My mother taught me to be a woman. She was the strongest person I've ever met. And someday I'll be the woman she wants me to be” - Tracy Hyter-Suffern It's complicated. Mothers. They're sometimes cast as heroes and role models, often as victims or villains. In almost 40 conversations with other old bitches, mothers emerge as essential to the fabric of so many parts of our histories, our present and our futures. Drawing from those conversations, we've pulled together a few clips to share with you, from Inca Alexandrina Mohamed or Joy Kane talking about their mother's dreams for them or Maya Wiley talking about her fears for her teenage daughters. So, on this Mother's Day, take a minute to listen to this episode of Two Old Bitches with a mother, a daughter or someone else who you can talk to about the place of mothers in our lives. And, consider supporting the mothers and families who have been separated at the border. Check out www.familiesbelongtogether.org and the “Until Every Family Is Reunited” campaign. This episode features: Dodo Berk (Season 1, Ep. 10), Elaine Finsilver (Season 1, Ep.06), Tracy Hyter-Suffern (Season 4, Ep. 8), Renata Joy (Season 4, Ep. 5), Joy Kane (Season 3, Ep. 10), Inca Alexandria Mohamed (Season 2, Ep. 9), Hendrica Okondo (Season 3, Ep. 8), Diane Scanlon (Season 2, Ep. 10), Hrag Vartanian (Season 4, Ep. 9) and Maya Wiley (Season 3, Ep. 7). We thank them and all of the Old Bitches who have shared their lives on our show!

Stories transport us across time and space, bring us together, help us make sense of our lives and the world, make us laugh and cry, and even change our minds. Stories fuel social change and personal change. Their power drives us, as Two Old Bitches, to collect edgy elder women's stories to share with story-loving listeners of all genders and ages. And to discover and tell our own stories. In this episode, we each share a personal story crafted in a recent storytelling class. Yes crafted, because storytelling is an art, one that can be honed, and it's a joy to hone it in the company of others as we did in our most recent workshop. Joanne shares “What Happens When Your Heart Really Does Belong to Daddy?” a story of gendered power dynamics in the workplace decades ago that still drives her passion for justice today. Idelisse shares “Girdles,” a childhood story of the physical and psychological constraints foisted on women and girls that shaped her, in more ways than the obvious.  You can listen to our stories on audio AND – for those who like the combined audio-visual effect – check out Idelisse and Joanne telling their stories to each other. And guess which one of us tried (with partial success) to tell her story and hula hoop at the same time? We'd love to hear from you! We are going to host a Two Old Bitches storytelling salon/class in the spring. Please let us know if you're interested and have ideas or questions. Write to us at 2obpodcast@gmail.com and share your brilliance!  

Feminist thinkers, activists and authors Idelisse Malavé, 74,  and Joanne Sandler, 70, created and host Two Old Bitches, a podcast featuring conversations with women in the second half of life whose perspectives and experiences disrupt what it means to be “old” and reclaim what it means to be a “bitch.” Over the past six seasons they have welcomed edgy progressive activists, a zen priest, performers, filmmakers, visual artists, scholars, a chef, journalists and writers, politicians, and more. These women make their own rules – whether it's about politics, love, sex, art, work, family or fashion. They haven't stopped rebelling, re-imagining and reinventing themselves. If anything, they are bolder with age. In this their seventh season, Joanne and Idelisse share more older women's stories that explode myths about gender and aging and re-define what it means to be a woman at any age. Joanne, former Deputy Executive Director of the UN Development Fund for Women-UNIFEM), co-wrote Gender at Work: Theory and Practice for 21st Century Organizations.  Idelisse, a public interest lawyer, manager and consultant, authored two books, Mother Daughter Revolution and Latino Stats, the latter with her daughter. And just for the record, by B.I.T.C.H., they mean: Being In Total Charge of Herself.

Two Old Bitches co-hosts and friends, Joanne Sandler and Idelisse Malavé, were invited by the wonderful and popular Call Your Girlfriend podcast to have a conversation about their decades long friendship. As part of a series, “Summer of Friendship”, CYG asked a few of their favorite podcasters — we're honored! — to tell them how they met, times their friendship has been stretched, and how they grow together. Idelisse and Joanne's episode is available at CYG wherever you listen to podcasts. You can also listen to it here as a special, bonus episode.

As we continue our Summer of Friendship series, a few of our favorite podcasters tell us how they met, times their friendship has been stretched, and how they grow together. This week, Idelisse Malavé and Joanne Sandler aka Two Old Bitches! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Surprise! Despite being at higher risk, older folks have weathered this past year in better spirits than younger people, according to recent studies.  Well, maybe it’s not such a big surprise given our breadth of experience and, uh-hum, wisdom. For Two Old Bitches, it’s certainly been a crucial topic of conversation since the first lockdowns in March 2020. We’ve also explored how COVID affected what we eat (sourdough bread has been an essential for these Two Old Bitches!), streaming preferences, newfound hobbies, relationships and our notions of the future. We’ve gathered gems and inspiration from these conversations with wise older women. In this episode you’ll meet: Karin Kawamoto – a technology user experience designer -- who we connected with after reading about her in a Washington Post article on how a friend sent her weekly postcards over the many months when she could not leave her apartment; Maria Elena del Valle – our long-time friend and an extraordinary coach, trainer and performer – whose beauty salon in Queens, New York turned into a hub of information and solace for women in her community; and zen priest and teacher Jaune Evans, another long-time friend and former TOB guest, who offered reflections and comfort in dharma talks with the Heart of Compassion sangha that she took online early in the pandemic and that Idelisse joined. In addition to excerpts from one of Jaune’s recent talks in this episode, we’re also sharing a bonus episode of Jaune leading a guided meditation that invites calm presence in these still uncertain days. Listeners, we send you our best wishes for your health, your families and your communities.  

SummaryHow does Feminist Leadership  ‘perform' when a leader has to make hard choices?How well has feminist leadership served organizations during the past year of the pandemic-related crisis, or other periods of crisis?What kind of worthy values and interests might ‘compete' with those called for by feminist leadership, and how should leaders resolve this?I discussed these topics during an interview with Joanne Sandler, senior associate at Gender at Work, and former leader at UN Women. Joanne's BioSenior associate at Gender at Work, a consulting and training agency which works with organizations that wish to contribute to gender equality and to advance feminist leadership.Independent consultantCo-producer of podcast Two Old Bitches which captures the experiences of women over 50 who reinvent, reimagine, and rebel. Former Deputy Executive Director at UN Women/UNIFEMSpecial advisor to assistant secretary-General of UN Women Quotes“Sometimes you have to be willing to play the positional power game." We discussed: The differences between ‘power over' -  the traditional view on leadership --, ‘power with' and ‘power to': different ways of understanding power The life of ‘femocrats' - feminist bureaucrats in large multilateral organizations like the UN, World Bank, and WTO Why hierarchical power intrinsically emphasizes inequality within organizations, and how to minimize this How to use your privilege for the good of the broader organization and mission What happens when the expectations about how leaders should behave, which come from national cultures, bump into expectations coming from feminist leadership models. And how an understanding of intersectionality and leading with purpose can help resolve this.  ResourcesJoanne has co-authored a book named 'Gender at Work: Theory and Practice for 21st Century Organizations' which is available at several online booksellers, including this one.Website: www.genderatwork.org Joanne's LinkedIn profileGender at Work Podcast Click here to subscribe to be alerted when new podcast episodes come out or when Tosca produces other thought leadership pieces.Or email Tosca at tosca@5oaksconsulting.org if you want to talk about your social sector organization's needs, challenges, and opportunities.You can find Tosca's content by following her on her social media channels: Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Youtube 

“What have you been watching?” “See anything good lately?” are questions many of us routinely ask each other, especially during the pandemic. A trusted recommendation for a movie and, for some of us even better, a series with many seasons is cause to celebrate.  How often, though, do you hear of a good movie or series about, for, or by older women? Not often. So when we heard about the film “Let Them All Talk” at the end of 2020, we asked book agent Malaga Baldi, Debbie Zimmerman who heads Women Make Movies and Emmy-nominated former TV producer and wellness and lifestyle coach Renata Joy to join us for a conversation about it and other films and series featuring older women. Two Old Bitches, Joanne and Idelisse, call them geriatric rom-coms. You know the ones we mean. “Something’s Gotta Give,”(Diane Keaton), “It’s Complicated” (Meryl Streep), “Book Club” (Keaton, Jane Fonda, Candace Bergen, Mary Steenburgen), “The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel” (Judy Dench and Maggie Smith) and a number of others sprinkled over the past two decades. Too many of them are not very good. “Why is that?” the five of us wondered. We have some answers and laughs we’d like to share with you, as well as a list of films and series we recommend.  And, we enjoyed doing this so much that we plan to do it again.

Exploring the idea of creating an intentional living community for creatives, and the Hudson Valley, led us (Idelisse and Joanne) to the small town of Catskill, NY where we were enchanted to find an "ArTchaeological Museum" in the window of the Open Studio on Main Street. Its owner Dina Bursztyn, 72, is a visual artist and writer. We were transfixed by her gallery filled with whimsical found art assemblages, sculptures, ceramics, art books, drawings and paintings. Dina's work was described in a New York Times review as “original work that defies reigning art world fashions.” Born in Argentina, Dina, a would-be writer, came to New York after college and was surprised to discover that she was a ceramicist who excavated strange creatures at the bottom of the mugs she was crafting. It was just the beginning of her inventive art practice. Listen to our conversation with her, and the beginning story of why these Two Old Bitches are delving into the possibilities of co-housing and intentional communities. To be continued.... Check out Dina's art books, sculptures, ceramics and exhibitions at https://www.dinabursztyn.com/bio-and-contact.html Her drawings and books make delightful presents!!

There are so many colorful threads in the life story that Ruth Strassberg, 76, weaves for us in this episode of Two Old Bitches. Her journey to the U.S. from an Italian displaced persons camp in the 40s, transforming into a beatnik in the 50s, her immersion in psychedelic cultures of the 60s and 70s, and her engagement with new age and human potential movements since the 1980s offer fascinating glimpses into the personalities and networks of those eras. Ruth is a seeker, a learner, a truth-teller and a listener. The different paths she traveled led her to trust the universe with a sense of connectedness and contentment that are re-assuring and inspiring, especially in these times of COVID-19 and global disruption. Our conversation with Ruth ends with her sharing: “The world is what it has to be. It’s not here for us to change. It’s here to change us.” Have a lovely listen, be well and, to Ruth, huge gratitude for sharing your beautiful story!

What gives you joy, a sense of profound pleasure? What tickles your fancy and makes you feel like you’re in the midst of a magic moment? The sources and varieties of pleasure for the women we interview never cease to enlighten and inspire us. What we love, especially, is the way the old bitches we talk to describe the deep pleasure they experience from what is easily available: laughing over nothing with a friend, a glimpse at the sky while you’re working, a memory of the first symphony you ever heard. Maybe you’re an ecstasy junkie or a wild disruptor who loves challenging what people expect from ‘an old bitch’ or you’re discovering renewal with the Mona Lisa method? Find your sisters here in this compilation episode. Listen to find out about joining the 'better, deeper, more' club and to take the Two Old Bitches vow: What else is there but pleasure? And send us an email at 2OBPodcast@gmail.com to share even more examples of what gives you pleasure.   This episode includes excerpts from TOB conversations with: Joy Kane, Cynthia Madansky (forthcoming), Sharon Louden, Renata Joy, Julie Cajun, Alta Starr,  Jaune Evans, Radhika Balakrishnan, Kathy Brew, Tish and Snooky Bellomo, Sondra Lee, and Katharine Acey. 

TOB listeners probably know that co-host Joanne Sandler worked at the United Nations for nearly 20 years. One of the many UN stories that fascinated her was a famous sexual harassment case.: Catherine Claxton was a fairly junior UN staff member who brought charges against an Under-Secretary General for grabbing her in his office in 1988 and then blocking her career after she rebuffed him. Catherine’s courage and tenacity in the face of profound intimidation (she and her closest friend were shot at, her apartment was broken into, her office was ransacked, senior women in the UN joined together to support the perpetrator) are the stuff of motion pictures. Catherine passed away in 2009. To make sure that her story is remembered and to honor Catherine’s courage and colleagues who supported her, Joanne and Julie Thompson – another long-time UN staffer –  interviewed scores of people, including her extraordinary pro-bono lawyers – Mary Dorman and Ellen Yaroshefsky. This episode of Two Old Bitches shares a curtain-opener for the 5-part radio series they hope to launch this Spring. While the story is 25-years old – and despite #metoo and Time’s Up -- the wall of patriarchy and privilege that Catherine confronted is almost as impenetrable today as it was then. (And, if you are (or know) a film producer/director, Joanne and Julie want to talk with you!)

“La única forma que tienes es transitar de tus sueños a tus deseos a la realidad.”   En este, el primer episodio de Two Old Bitches en español, Joanne y idelisse hablan con la fabulosa fotógrafa y activista Lucero Gonzalez. A los 72 años, combina su feminismo, su amor de la libertad y el placer, su arte, su raíces en Oaxaca y su profunda conexión con su familia y amistades en una miríada de proyectos creativos y de cambio social. Hoy en día, Lucero es la curadora del Museo de Mujeres Artistas Mexicanas y la productora de una película sobre El Colectivo de la Revuelta, el primer periódico feminista que estableció con unas amigas en los años 70. Visitamos con Lucero y su pareja, Gonzalo Rocha, en la Ciudad de Mexico este verano pasado. Es nuestro placer compartir esta conversación con Lucero con nuestra audiencia hispanoparlante. (Para disfrutar del Museo virtual visite http://www.museodemujeres.com/en/.)

In this practice, Joanne and Idelisse offer a writing exercise called "The Do-Over" to help process experiences of bias and discrimination, and to seed creativity and reflection. It connects the personal and political, and can be done alone or in a group. You'll need a piece of paper and something to write with. ----------- CONVERSATION: Download the episode prior to this one to hear Joanne & Idelisse talk about aging in the movement. They tell us about the secrets of bitchcraft, the importance of friendship and creativity, being unapologetically yourself, trusting yourself and others, tender transparency, the importance of having friends in every decade of life, play, and therapy (well maybe - that last one is contested). Subscribe/follow this podcast to make sure you never miss an entertaining & insightful conversation! ----------- ABOUT OUR GUESTS: Idelisse Malavé, 71, has been honing her bitchcraft for decades. A working class Puerto Rican immigrant raised in a middle-class, mostly Jewish, Brooklyn neighborhood, she graduated from Columbia Law School, defying expectations of who and what she could be to become a fierce social justice activist. After practicing public interest law in the 70s and 80s, she went on to lead progressive organizations – as Vice President of the Ms. Foundation and Executive Director of Tides Foundation – and wrote two books, Mother Daughter Revolution (Bantam) and Latino Stats (The New Press). Her motto these days is: “If it pleases me, I will.” Joanne Sandler, 67, is on an endless journey to find her bitchy voice. She’s written articles and books like Gender at Work (Routledge), How Feminists Change Bureaucracies and Bureaucracies Change Feminists (Oxford Press), Women’s Rights Have No Country (OpenDemocracy). A lifelong feminist, Joanne was ‘institutionalized’ for nearly two decades (as Deputy Executive Director of the UN Development Fund for Women-UNIFEM -- and many other women’s rights organizations). She’s traveled to more than 65 countries and now consults with Gender at Work. Her lifelong motto still applies ”Always leave while you’re still having a good time!” Together, Idelisse and Joanne host a podcast called Two Old Bitches. Learn more at http://www.twooldbitches.com ----------- JOIN THE CONVERSATION: Sign up for our email list to receive a free healing justice zine & resources for your work and wellbeing. Sign up here: http://www.healingjustice.org Join our virtual community at http://www.patreon.com/healingjustice  Talk with us on social media: Instagram @healingjustice, Healing Justice Podcast on Facebook, & @hjpodcast on Twitter  ----------- SHOW YOUR SUPPORT Please follow / subscribe, rate, & review in whatever app you are listening, and SHARE this resource with everyone you know who could benefit from it! Help us keep making this podcast by becoming a sustainer at www.patreon.com/healingjustice  You can also give a one time donation here: https://secure.squarespace.com/commerce/donate?donatePageId=5ad90c0e03ce64d6028e01bb ----------- Thank you to our production team on this episode: Rachel Ishikawa for editing, Zach Meyer at the COALROOM for audio production and mastering, and Josiah Werning for graphic design.

This week we’re talking Aging in the Movement with Idelisse Malavé and Joanne Sandler, extraordinary women leaders for global justice and co-hosts of the podcast Two Old Bitches. They tell us about the secrets of bitchcraft, the importance of friendship and creativity, being unapologetically yourself, trusting yourself and others, tender transparency, the importance of having friends in every decade of life, play, and therapy (well maybe - that last one is contested). This interview is hosted by Shawna Wakefield, a friend & member of the Healing Justice Podcast Advisory Circle. Learn more about Shawna and the Advisory Circle here: https://www.healingjustice.org/team By Idelisse & Joanne's definition, ‘BITCH” means “Being In Total Charge of Herself,” and their podcast Two Old Bitches celebrates kick-ass, unstoppable women over 50. They explode myths about gender and aging and re-define what it means to be a woman at any age. Learn more at http://www.twooldbitches.com ----------- PRACTICE: In the Practice episode (publishing next week), Joanne and Idelisse offer a practice called "The Do-Over" to help process experiences of bias and discrimination. Subscribe to/follow this podcast in whichever platform you're listening to make sure you don't miss it! ----------- One more week of Pleasure Activism Book Club! 

“Two of my heroes are mother and my grandmother…My mother taught me to be a woman. She was the strongest person I’ve ever met. And someday I’ll be the woman she wants me to be” - Tracy Hyter-Suffern It’s complicated. Mothers. They’re sometimes cast as heroes and role models, often as victims or villains. In almost 40 conversations with other old bitches, mothers emerge as essential to the fabric of so many parts of our histories, our present and our futures. Drawing from those conversations, we’ve pulled together a few clips to share with you, from Inca Alexandrina Mohamed or Joy Kane talking about their mother’s dreams for them or Maya Wiley talking about her fears for her teenage daughters. So, on this Mother’s Day, take a minute to listen to this episode of Two Old Bitches with a mother, a daughter or someone else who you can talk to about the place of mothers in our lives. And, consider supporting the mothers and families who have been separated at the border. Check out www.familiesbelongtogether.org and the “Until Every Family Is Reunited” campaign. This episode features: Dodo Berk (Season 1, Ep. 10), Elaine Finsilver (Season 1, Ep.06), Tracy Hyter-Suffern (Season 4, Ep. 8), Renata Joy (Season 4, Ep. 5), Joy Kane (Season 3, Ep. 10), Inca Alexandria Mohamed (Season 2, Ep. 9), Hendrica Okondo (Season 3, Ep. 8), Diane Scanlon (Season 2, Ep. 10), Hrag Vartanian (Season 4, Ep. 9) and Maya Wiley (Season 3, Ep. 7). We thank them and all of the Old Bitches who have shared their lives on our show!

Michaela Walsh - The Next Adventure "The one thing I wanted in life was not to be cynical when I get old and, I’ve discovered that by looking at life as an adventure, there’s no way you can be cynical." Sitting in Michaela Walsh’s New York City apartment and watching her eyes sparkle with mischief and delight every time she talked about the possibility of an adventure was an extraordinary privilege and pleasure for these Two Old Bitches! She has made an indelible mark for women in this world. She founded and led groundbreaking Women’s World Banking (WWB) from 1975 to 1990. WWB continues today, with banks led by and for women in more than 50 countries (and if you want to know more about Women’s World Banking, order Michaela's book.) Today Michaela is an 84-year old who is still pondering her next adventure. Join us to hear this pioneer for women’s economic leadership reflect on her truths, her journey as a risk-taker and disrupter, and her aspirations for what comes next.

“I was a little nervous. Two Old Bitches? And I thought, 'Ou-oh. What if they’re cute. If they’re cute, I’m going to throw up.’” - Ashton Applewhite What do you think when you hear us say Two Old Bitches? Since we started this podcast, we’ve been asking the women we interview and lots of others too. In this episode, we’ve compiled some of the thoughtful, funny, horrified and encouraging responses over the past 2 years. Listen to the bitchy wisdom of Alta Starr, Ashton Applewhite, Jaune Evans, Geeta Misra, Inca Alexandrina Mohamed, Houry Geudelekian, Diane Scanlon and Freida Williams, Malaga Baldi, Radhika Balakrishnan, Joy Kane and Socorro Reyes. AND, we’d love to hear your response! So tape yourself (audio or video) telling us what you think about our name Two Old Bitches. And the first 10 people who share their response with us will get their choice of either a Two Old Bitches T-shirt (tell us your size) or tote bag (it’s gorgeous) in black and white. Send your tape (and your love!) to us at: 2OBPodcast@gmail.com  We can't wait to hear from you!

"To me, it's not about age, it's not about race, it's not about ideology...I don't know that we have ever confronted such a dangerous time to democracy in our country. What it does say to me is that we fundamentally have to fight for democracy. And that means many different things." Maya is a nationally renowned racial justice and equity activist and advocate. And she is no longer an optimist. But she hasn’t given up hope. She has “a passion for the possible” combined with a laser focus on fighting for our democracy. If you watch TV news, you've likely seen her share her sharp analysis on the assault against our country’s values and heard her wise counsel on priorities for collective action, including activism on the upcoming census. At 54, she has litigated, lobbied the U.S. Congress, and developed programs to transform structural racism in the U.S. and in South Africa.  Maya recently served as Counsel to New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, chaired the New York City Police Department’s Civilian Complaint Review Board, founded and led the Center for Social Inclusion, and is now Senior Vice President for Social Justice at the New School. Maya's guidance, struggle and compassion in these perilous times are enough to turn these Two Old Bitches into possibilists as well. And you?

Janice Zarro Brodman is a writer and political activist who busts norms and defies categories. That’s why she wrote her recently released book, “Sex Rules!: Astonishing Sexual Practices and Gender Roles Around the World". Like Janice, the book entertains, challenges and delights with little known "astonishing" sexual, romantic and relationship mores from around the world.  With humor and affection, the book might change your entire perspective on that most basic drive, sexuality. A perfect Two Old Bitches guest: she recently left a 25-year career working in international development and is now infusing her vast experience of travel around the world and political activism in the U.S. into her writing life. Janice will only give clues to her age (best we can tell, she’s somewhere between 60 and 70), but who cares? Her passion, her inquisitiveness, and her pursuit of justice are relevant at every age. So order her book, listen to her reading excerpts from it on this interview, and stay tuned for more about astonishing sex and gender roles from Janice in the decades to come.   Order Janice's book at: https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Rules-Astonishing-Sexual-Practices-ebook/dp/B06WW2QX97

Idelisse Malavé and Joanne Sandler want you to know that their age and gender do not define them. With their humorous podcast Two Old Bitches, they set out to celebrate amazing women over 50 and dispel the myths about aging. In this episode, Idelisse and Joanne discuss the importance of intersectional feminism, why it's great to enjoy and embrace being a woman at every age, and the ways women can stand up for themselves in the face of adversity.

Idelisse Malavé and Joanne Sandler want you to know that their age and gender do not define them. With their humorous podcast Two Old Bitches, they set out to celebrate amazing women over 50 and dispel the myths about aging. In this episode, Idelisse and Joanne discuss the importance of intersectional feminism, why it’s great to enjoy and embrace being a woman at every age, and the ways women can stand up for themselves in the face of adversity.

"When you’re in a band, there’s a dance you’re all doing. When it works it’s orgasmic. Everyone is listening, moving together. It’s perfect. " - Diane Scanlon   "I’ve gone from religious to righteous, and now, to rebellious." - Freida Williams In their 50s and 60s and still as hot as ever, Freida Williams and Diane Scanlon love performing together. They are long-time friends and supporters for each other in a testosterone-driven, ageist music business. They’re both committed to using their music and talents to reverse mounting sexist and racist practices and rhetoric throughout the U.S. This was a joyful first-ever Two Old Bitches interview of two friends together. And we cannot begin to thank them for their insights, their magical voices and their boundless creativity!

In this Episode: The Bartender sits down with Idelisse Malavé and Joanne Sandler, the creators and co-hosts of the hit podcast, Two Old Bitches. The two talk about the evolution of their bitchery, the liberation that comes with running out of f$%ks, and how they accidentally became models for pee proof underwear.

Jane Summer, 62, describes herself as a writer and as "the most downwardly mobile person" she knows. Writing is her passion and affliction. At 55, she transformed her life and returned to school for an MFA. Searching for her story, she remembered a precious friendship: While working at Women's Wear Daily in the late 1970s, Jane's colleague, Kay, boarded Air New Zealand flight 901 to Antarctica, never to return. Jane's book, Erebus, is an homage to memory, mystery, love and loss. Visit Jane's website at http://janegsp.wixsite.com/janesummer to learn about Jane's other books and articles. And spend 30 minutes with Jane and Two Old Bitches as we explore finding your story, life without a plan, and the many gifts of family.