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Serkan is a freelance software developer who has been developing web applications since 2001. Lately he has been working with Angular and ASP.NET. He shares that he has been studying sustainability of open source issues since 2014 and also shares the abridged version of how he came to be involved with the open source community.  Richard then asks Serkan to share more details on how he as a developer became interested in open source. He shares how as a developer working on proprietary software he often found himself working on similar solutions in different companies and he realized that he was building the same software solutions over and over. From this he concluded that open sourcing these types of projects would reduce the need to keep creating these projects by sharing the solutions between those that need them. Serkan points out the problem with the way open source works now is that it’s difficult to make money in it and as such he started looking for ways to fix this problem. He has the desire to find ways to move money from proprietary solutions into open source. Serkan asserts that the only real difference between proprietary software and open source software is licensing and furthermore that any software could be open source.  The next topic discussed by the panelists is the changes they’ve seen in the last five years for funding open source. Serkan highlights that he believes that many companies are coming to understand that the future is positive with open source and those companies are beginning to move that way. Richard responds by sharing the importance of building structures around funding developers who decide to open source their software.  Serkan moves the conversation to a deeper analysis of proprietary rights. The panelists discuss a survey of developers taken by Tidelift that shows that many professionals prefer open source software over proprietary software. The panelists then have a deeper discussion on what the reasons and drawbacks are for proprietary companies to turn open source. They also discuss how to create a tax of sorts that starts funding proprietary solutions turned open source and who would start that process.  The open source experts then discuss how it is difficult to convince individual companies to go open source because their focus is on growing their business and making their own software prosper. Serkan responds to this by saying that open source is an investment that can pay dividends in the long run. They also share ideas on how working with governments and individuals could help to facilitate the transition to greater worldwide involvement in open source and propel the software industry forward to supporting open source.  Serkan closes by reiterating some thoughts he shared earlier that governments are already involved in a wide range of programs that benefit all of its citizens. He shares how the sustaining of open source could be another program that is added to a government’s agenda and the opportunities that a government has to be of help in contrast to companies and individuals.  Panelists Richard Littauer Pia Mancini Eric Berry   Guest Serkan Holat Sponsors iPhreaks Adventures in Angular Adventures in .NET Links Angular ASP.NET Chad Whitacre Medium Catching Up w/ Nadia Eghbal Changelog.com sustainoss.org Tidelift Survey Tragedy of the Commons Picks Richard Littauer NPM Tools The Access Fund   Pia Mancini Asymmetry by Lisa Halliday Emahoy Tsegué-Maryam Guébrou   Eric Berry Airpods Case Oscoin Codefund   Serkan Holat License Zero Marcin Jakubowski Ted Talk The Egg In a Nutshell

This episode of Sustain our Software features Abigail Cabunoc Mayes. Abigail has a background in bioinformatics and computer science and has an interest in using computers to solve problems in biology. She works for the Mozilla Foundation where she is a practice lead working Open. She has been named in “100 Awesome Women in Open source” and mentioned in Github’s State of the Octoverse 2016. Abigail begins by sharing some of how she got started and what interests her in technology. The discussion then moves to altmetrics and how Abigail helps people publish code and get recognition for their work.  Richard asks Abigail how her work for mozilla fits into the type of work she is known for. Abigail shares that Mozilla is much more than the Firefox browser that it is known for. Abigail shares that “Mozilla’s mission is to ensure that the Internet is a global, public resource” that is “open and accessible to all”. This mission at Mozilla goes back to the browser wars of the early 2000’s when they created Firefox to ensure that a web browser was available to all. Abigail goes into further detail how the Mozilla foundation helps to further the internet and open source as well as what she is currently working on.  The next topic covered by the open source experts is the tooling used by Mozilla to maintain privacy. Abigail notes that some of the issues that prevent a healthy internet are privacy and security, openness, decentralization, web literacy, and digital inclusion. She shares that Mozilla is very conscious of protecting users and how they walk the line between privacy and openness. They also discuss how Abigail grows leaders in the community. She shares how it starts with identifying potential leaders and how she finds them. Currently Abigail is teaching a course on how leaders can run their own versions of Mozilla’s Open Leaders through an online program that meets every two weeks. Abigail goes through the details of how the Open Leaders program works.  Eric then asks Abigail to explain what openness means to her. She shares that openness and movement building really work together. They are means of rallying people together and empowering them to work towards a shared goal. Openness means to both be public and participatory and be active in the community. Richard follows up by agreeing that openness means to be participatory and is a pillar of open source. Abigail adds that as a leader it is very important to be able to delegate tasks and entrust responsibility to other members of the group. She goes on to say that it is vital to open source sustainability for others to be able to contribute to a project.  The panelists then lead into a discussion on why maintainers leave a project and what happens when they do. Eric asks Abigail how to teach someone to delegate to which she explains that it is important to help people see how a broader community with diverse perspectives can help propel a project forward. To get contributors to stick around, it is important to give them ownership over a piece of a project. The panelists conclude this episode with covering how to avoid abstracting too much and talking about what’s coming up next for Abigail. Panelists Eric Berry  Richard Littauer   Guest Abigail Cabunoc Mayes Sponsors Dev Ed Views on Vue Adventures in DevOps Links Mozilla Foundation Mozilla Open Leaders 100 Awesome Women in Open source State of the Octoverse 2016 Abigail’s Website Mozilla Science Lab Open Leadership training series on github Mozilla’s 2019 Internet Health Report Increasing Developer Engagement at Mozilla Open Leadership Training Series Open Leadership Framework Introducing Open Leaders X (OLˣ) Blog Post What Does Openness Mean to You? Blog Post Apply Now For Open Leaders X Open Source Archetypes Report Mozilla Open Source Support Awards @abbycabs on Twitter acabunoc on github Picks Richard Littauer Found someone's bird at Adelaide and Spadina Reddit The Crisis for Birds Is a Crisis for Us All Global Climate Strike   Eric Berry Project Code Rush - The Beginnings of Netscape / Mozilla Documentary Zyloware Eyewear   Abigail Cabunoc Mayes Chris Adams Blog Stardew Valley

The special guest for this episode of Sustain our Software is Kevin Owocki. Kevin is the founder of Gitcoin, a service that links up freelance developers with people who need them and pays these developers in crypto currency. Gitcoin is a blockchain forward brand that is built on open source software and currently uses Ethereum as its crypto currency of choice rather than creating their own. They like Ethereum because of its relevance as the 2nd most popular cryptocurrency at the time of this episode. By incentivizing open source contributions, Gitcoin has become an important contributor to the funding of open source software.  Pia begins the discussion by asking Kevin how the bounty system is governed for Gitcoin and Kevin shares some of their structure, process, and philosophy on the subject as well as Gitcoin’s desire to make it easy for developers to find work on their platform. The panelists then discuss how they think the future of the job market will change with the emergence of blockchain. The discussion starts with stating that bounties are the current popular system but Eric says he would look to see a blockchain based paycheck network among other ideas. Pia questions how Eric’s ideas can scale to the larger open source ecosystems and how to have a conversation with a company to open a wallet with Ethereum. Eric responds with some of his ideas on how to make this work as well as some roadblocks they might face. One of the biggest challenges is that the technologies involved are newly emerging and this brings along some skepticism with it.  Richard then asks what Kevin’s long term view is that goes beyond the current system even though things are working really well right now. Kevin shares his aspiration that Gitcoin becomes a network that is owned, built by, and built for coders. This means that they find a way to distribute Gitcoin’s equity to the community and sustain open source through those means. Kevin shares that he does wish to go beyond the bounty system and some of his thoughts on how he hopes to accomplish that.   The conversation then moves to networks and peer communications. Pia raises a concern that some people who don’t have an aptitude for communication often get left behind. She asks Kevin how Gitcoin helps to overcome challenges for those who struggle to get involved. Kevin shares some thoughts on why certain demographics struggle and makes the point that a difference could be made in how those in the field prioritize diversity. Kevin talks about the sustain conference and some of the great opportunities he had when he attended the prior year. He had the opportunity to talk to other professionals and share ideas on web3, blockchain and sustaining open source. The final topic covered by the panelists is who the big contributors are that are making a big difference to sustain open source. Kevin names a few companies that he feels has made a difference and a high level view of what they have done.   Panelists Pia Mancini Eric Berry Richard Littauer   Guest Kevin Owocki Sponsors Adventures in .NET React Round Up Adventures in Blockchain   Links Gitcoin Ethereum Web3 Sustain OSS Conference Codefund Oscoin Moloch DAO Picks Richard  Refined github chrome extension Using CSS to hide the github notification icon Four Tet Eric Berry Pipedrive Oss fund Pia Woop recovery tracker Open collective climate strike Octobox Kevin Advantage kinesis 2 keyboard Gratitude journaling Deep Chord by Echo Space  

Robert Kaye is the executive director of the MetaBrainz Foundation, the legal umbrella for MusicBrainz. He got started in the late 80’s and early 90’s hacking on some MP3 projects when most of the world hadn’t heard of MP3. The metadata on MP3s was terrible, so he started creating the database known as MusicBrainz. Robert talks about his business model for MusicBrainz. As time has progressed, more and more people have access to a laptop and cheap recording equipment. This constant churn of data gave them the ability to play gatekeeper. Their goal was to take that data and make it cleaner, better, and provide context. In 2003 they started a service called Live Data Feed, which allows anyone to set up a copy of MusicBrainz. Turning on Live Data Feed gets you updates to your copy of MusicBrainz. The idea was to take the recognition they had around Live Data Feed and created monetary value from a service around timely and convenient packs of data. In 2015, MusicBrainz realized that the actual value they had wasn’t in the data, but in the community of people editing the data took. So, they took a radical step and quit caring about code licenses. Now, it is based off memberships with monthly fee. This has worked spectacularly. They have taken to calling their customers ‘supporters’, because if the database is going to stick around then they need their support.  BookBrainz is a similar project to the MusicBrainz database, but applied to books. The project has grown large enough that Robert had to hire a full time engineer to work on it. They deal with disambiguation, deduplication, and conflicts in the  metadata so that organizations like internet archives and Open Library can build other tools on top. For the past 4 years MetaBrainz has also been working on two other projects. AcousticBrainz is machine learning analysis applied to individual songs to determine what music sounds like. It can determine acoustic characteristics such as male or female vocals, presence of certain instruments, and beats per minute. ListenBrainz tracks your listening history, similar to LastFM. In fact, you can import your LastFM history into ListenBrainz and it will do a metadata report on what you’ve listened to. Robert notes that if you choose to learn ListenBrainz your data will be public. These two projects form the perfect basis for building a collaborative filtering algorithm and give you personalized suggestions of what you may also like. They also have a program to work with AcousticBrainz to track what you listen to and the similarities between the songs. They are currently working on compiling the data, but this open source project will enable anyone to come in and create an open source music recommendation engine. When building a recommendation engine, the idea is if there’s a small/medium music label with one computer geek on staff, they can get access to MusicBrainz and download their recommendation engine and start getting their stuff out there, and have it personalized to the listener. Robert’s inspiration for these databases came from seeing a lot more recommendation engines that are entirely biased and want to push their content. He realized that these recommendation engines were designed to feed money back into the system and keep everyone inside the ‘walled garden’ of music. He got funding for these projects through his good relationships with other companies and because they were giving him the money for MusicBrainz, which is enough money, so the extra money is funneled towards other projects. The MetaBrainz Foundation emphasizes quality of life for their employees, and Robert and the panelists discuss how he reconciles this quality of life versus the desire to get all this stuff out the door. Robert believes that if you trust your team and empower them to do what needs done, they will do their job. He only really gets involved if it’s legal concerns, monetary issues, or the rare high priority assignment. His company has few deadlines, and he talks about how they organize their work. The panel compares their experience working for other open source companies. They discuss some of the drawbacks of remote work, such as difficulty coordinating meetings and never really being disconnected from work. The show concludes with Robert talking about where he wants to take MusicBrainz and MetaBrainz. His dream is to create more tools for an improved music listening experience. His hidden agenda is to get the small bands heard so that musicians can make more money, elevating the artists in the world to be able to earn a normal living. He hopes that by applying the concepts of open source to the music industry, it will be cleaned up and all musicians will get the exposure they deserve.   Panelists Richard Littaur Piya With special guest: Robert Kaye Sponsors My Ruby Story Elixir Mix My Angular Story Links MetaBrainz Foundation Napster BookBrainz AcousticBrainz ListenBrainz LastFM Buffer Open Collective Follow DevChatTV on Facebook and Twitter Picks Richard Littaur: Brighde Chaimbeaul Piya: Snow Crush The Robot Museum Madrid Science and Technology Museum Robert Kaye: Passion by Peter Gabriel Casa de Papel Follow Robert @MayhemBCM and rob@metabrainz.org

Episode Summary In this episode of the Sustain Our Software podcast, Benjamin Nickolls talks with the panelists about the potential for an open source community that is self-sustaining. Benjamin helped create Octobox, a notification system for GitHub, which helps filter messages that one receives through GitHub. Benjamin and his partner created Octobox hoping it would be a model of a sustainable open source project, and after 9 months of working on it full time they have been able to step away from it as it continues to pay for its own hosting and software development. The money that they received from the community was donated back into the community to be able to experiment with paying for development in the open source crowd. There are still times when they need to go back in and maintain it, but for the most part it is a self sustaining software.  Benjamin explains that as they tried to increase the amount of people paying for their services they noticed that there was organic growth that was occurring so they decided to step back and let it continue to grow on its own. Benjamin and his partner are both interested in seeing how Octobox can lead the way in a new way to create open source development and be an example for effective sustainability and maintainability.          Before Octobox, Benjamin and his partner created Libraries.io which helped people search open source software to find what is being used the most by the community. This has stemmed research about the ecosystem of open source software. Open source projects are an extremely diverse thing coming from different builders, maintainers, and funders. Donations, paid services, as well as grants have been the best source for funding for his projects. Diverse funding has created better stability.          They discussed the different ways of funding and its benefits through different platforms. Codesponsor was created to help make funding more acceptable on the open source marketplace although there were many critics. GitHub sponsors has been created to promote individual sponsorships for developers similar to how Patreon works. Benjamin is wary of sponsoring individuals because of possible burnout or the individual could feel over committed to the project and will not work on anything else. The lack of diversity in sponsoring an individual compared to sponsoring groups and teams of people is problematic because of this tendency to get burned out before the project is complete.. He stresses throughout the podcast the importance of diversity in every aspect of developing to maximize sustainability.           Benjamin wants to start seeing a push of funding towards developers who are creating products that aren’t as visible to the community instead of all the funding going towards those who are building off of the less seen projects and have a bigger name in the open source community. If those who are able to receive money through open source projects are able to put it back into the community, there will be a more stable and self-sustaining environment for developers.          The panelists discuss how open source communities have been driven by hobbyists in the past, but the need for change is coming because of the dependency that has been created on these communities. Simply giving those developers what they have received in the past may not be sufficient now that it is a core part of almost every application. Panel Richard Littauer Eric Berry Joined by special guest: Benjamin Nickolls Sponsors Adventures in Devops CacheFly   Links Benjamin Nickolls - Twitter Octobox.io Libraries.io Sustain Our Software on Twitter Sustain Our Software on Facebook  Picks Richard Littauer: Scuttlebot: a peer to peer log store Patchwork: a web-based patch tracking system Norman MacGaig: a Scottish poet The Overstory: by Richard Powers Eric Berry: Pipedrive: A CRM tool CodeFund: Funding open source projects through ethical advertising Benjamin Nickolls: YouAreListening.to: ambient noise with police radio Under The Skin: by Michel Faber

In this week’s episode of Sustain Our Software the panel interviews Laura Gaetano. Laura is a developer and designer, whose main job was running was running Rails Girls Summer of Code. The panel considers how great Rails Girls is and all that they are doing. The panel also expresses their love for the Rails framework.    Laura explains the difference between Rails Girls and Rails Girls Summer of Code. The panel asks about the challenges that the Rails Girls Summer of code experience. Laura tells the panel how open source and the Ruby community has changed since they started. When they first started Rails Girls Summer of Code there was a lot less support for open source and diversity in programming. Now their main challenges are lack of resources, such as money and people who are invested in Rails Girls Summer of Code for the long term.    Other challenges in the organization stem from the nature of the organization. They are just trying to get everything done, that things like documentation and long term management solutions get forgotten. They want to get all their experience for the last six years documented so that knowledge can help in the future of Rails Girls Summer of Code.    The panel considers what a great feeling it is when people use or contribute to their open source and ask Laura what it’s like to actually help someone become a developer through her open source efforts. Laura explains how amazing it is to see women from past Rails Girls Summer of Code and their success. Laura shares her love of open source and the collaboration that happens in the community. Doing Rails Girls Summer of Code she gets a lot more human contact than in typical open source projects, she explains how that has made a difference in the way that she sees open source.    The panel asks Laura about the state of diversity in open source. Laura explains that there are initiatives out there to support diversity in opensource. She invites everyone to visit opensourcediversity.org. They provide resources to learn about diversity. They even have an open forum where people have a safe space to learn about diversity. She explains that diversity is now a common talking point at conferences to help improve diversity by educating developers about it. The panel discusses making projects more inclusive and explains how Github added s social impact feature that helps make your project more inclusive.    The topic turns to a talk Laura gave in 2017. Her talk explains that open source needs more than code. She explains that she would like to see more crowdsourcing of knowledge and design in open source. Programming is a major part of open source and she is so impressed the how willing programmers are to volunteer their time. However, she would love to see that desire from other people in the technology industry. Open source would be more maintainable if they had people marketing, networking, documenting. Having open source maintainers who focus on these things would help generate more funding and make it more sustainable.    The panel considers why there is such an emphasis on the code contributions, even more so than managing or other roles in open source. Code is a very visible contribution, easy to hold up and say look what they did. Other roles aren’t so easy to hold up, how can someone hold up the hours they spent finding sponsors or perfecting documentation.   The discussion turns to mental health in open source. Laura talks about her own state of mind and how hard it can be to get herself to do anything when she is feeling burnt out. She explains that she needs to change the way she approaches work.  The panel discusses ways that we can help those experiencing mental health problems in open source. They suggest talking to each other more about their experiences, about what depression, anxiety, and burn out look like and how they affect different people. The panel discusses what processes can be put in place to help developers to avoid burn out.    The panel wonders if developers are susceptible to mental health problems. Do the large workloads and high amounts of stress contribute to these issues. Laura explains that in her opinion, we as humans tend to think that our experience is unique, so other industries probably feel the same way. The reality is that this is a worldwide problem, especially for those that Laura calls knowledge workers.     The panel considers other ways we can help open source maintainers not get burnt out. The power of gratitude is one way they think might help. Laura thinks that getting a thank you from supports is very important. She relates how she feels when she talks with participants of Rails Girls Summer of Code and how it makes all her hard work worth it.   The panel discusses the power of money in open source, explaining why they started codefund. They explain the benefits of open source getting some money for their contributions. They consider the effect it plays on burn out. While Laura agrees to receive funds for open source contributions can be helpful, she warns that it could be a double-edged sword.   She warns that the receiving fund could be adding more stress to open source because of the responsibility it adds. Laura explains that she has already started to see entitlement from open source users, getting upset when the maintainer doesn't fix something right away. The panel considers how these benefits and costs when the funding is anonymous compared to when it is a direct sponsorship.   Panelists Eric Berry Nate Hopkins Guest Laura Gaetano Sponsors   DevEd Podcast The Freelancers Show My Ruby Story CacheFly Links AlterConf Berlin 2017: Making your voice heard: Open Source Needs You by Laura Gaetano Laura Gaetano - Building inclusive Open Source communities | ReasonConf 2018 https://devchat.tv/ruby-rogues/ https://railsgirlssummerofcode.org/  https://opensourcediversity.org/  https://www.codenewbie.org/podcast/rails-girls-summer-of-code  https://github.com/about/diversity  https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1157379019878232064  https://m.signalvnoise.com/to-smile-again/  https://twitter.com/alicetragedy https://github.com/alicetragedy https://www.facebook.com/Sustain-Our-Software-SOS-857471391289849/ https://twitter.com/sos_opensource Picks Eric Berry: https://webflow.com/  Nate Hopkins: https://www.metabase.com  Willow Hybrid Tree  Laura Gaetano: Jocelyn K. Glei  The Bulletin Design for Real Life

Episode Summary In this week's episode of Sustain Our software Titus Wormer joins the panel to discuss his experience maintaining Unified.js.  Titus is built Unified and is working fulltime maintain Unified. He has a bachelor's in digital design and did his thesis on fixing natural language in wed design using syntax trees.   The panel takes a moment to talk about abstract syntax trees. Titus explains how abstract syntax trees help computers understand what is going on in human languages, helping programs like Babel and Google Translate.   Titus also does a lot of his work in markdown and the panel asks him why he started working in markdown. Most developers work in markdown and HTML explains Titus, plus markdown has some great tools. In opensource he needs a lot of Read Me’s so Titus built tools in markdown to check on his Read Me’s.    Moving on to the sustaining of Unified the panel asks Titus about the funding he is receiving for Unified. Titus explains a little about the setup of Unified and what goes into maintaining it. Unified has over 400 repositories on Github that need to be maintained, and as Unified gained popularity so did the amount of work needed to maintain the repositories. Titus shares how stressful it was to come home from his everyday paying job to find more and more requests piling up.    Titus decided they needed a change, so last November they started an open collective and looking for sponsors. Titus shares how easy it was asking his users for money and the amount of support they received. According to Titus, about 90% of their funding comes from large company sponsors. The panel discusses his experience in finding these companies and getting them to sponsor Unified.    The panel wonders how much time Titus spends fundraising. Titus explains what it was like when they first started the open collective. They were getting some funding but not enough to pay someone to work full time maintaining Unified, so they didn’t really know what to do with it.    The panel brings up an article about developers working for salaries under the poverty line because of the lack of sustaining funds for opensource projects. They consider specific projects and how much funding they receive annually.   Titus shares his opinion on this article. He believes people support what they see that they are using, big visible projects like Babel and Webpack receive tons of funding because not only do a lot of people use this software but they see that they are using it. He explains that smaller projects that are buried in a stack don’t get funding because they are less visible to their users. Relating this to Unified, Titus doesn’t think Unified fits into either category. Unified is a bunch of smaller modules but is advertised as one large monolith. Which is why they get as much funding as they do.    The Starbuck’s supply chain analogy is discussed by the panel. The analogy is this, farmers grow the coffee beans to make the coffee at Starbucks. While sitting Starbucks the coffee drinkers never think of the farmers that put all the work into the coffee just about Starbucks. Some opensource projects are the farmers, small and unrecognized while others are visible and renowned like Starbucks. The panel asks Titus about where he thinks Unified fits into this analogy.    Next, the panel discusses governance, asking Titus how he decides who gets the money. He explains that in people would help out, fixing things, and Titus would tell them to send in an invoice and that he would give them some of the money. Many of the people didn’t want the money, saying it was opensource and they were happy to donate their time. Titus then decided to try maintaining Unified fulltime and has been doing so since May.  He explains all he does every day to maintain Unified.    “What’s next for unified?” is the next question the panel wants to be answered. Titus explains how they partnered with NDX and announced a new project called micro mark. He’s is hoping to finish up the new project by November when the money runs out. At which time he will need to find a real job or find other funding.    The episode ends with a discussion about what it’s like being a fulltime opensource maintainer. Titus explains that his current situation and the fact that the Netherlands has a safety net for its citizens making it less dangerous financially than it would be in the United States. Titus and the panel explore the idea of Titus being a contractor for unified as a way of making money.    Panelists Eric Berry Richard Littauer Guest Titus Wormer Sponsors   Adventures in DevOps Adventures in Angular Ruby Rogues CacheFly Links https://opencollective.com/unified  http://www.openmdx.org/  Software Below the Poverty Line  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_85_Ways_to_Tie_a_Tie  https://github.com/micromark  https://github.com/mdx-js/mdx  https://mdxjs.com/   https://github.com/unifiedjs/governance  https://github.com/unifiedjs/github-tools  https://wooorm.com/ https://twitter.com/wooorm https://www.facebook.com/Sustain-Our-Software-SOS-857471391289849/ https://twitter.com/sos_opensource Picks Eric Berry: Chats with Kent  https://codefund.io/partners/opencollective  Richard Littauer: https://nadiaeghbal.com/basic  The Martian  Titus Wormer: Go for a walk more https://www.burntfen.com/projects/francis-bacon-and-eggs/ 

Episode Summary The panel interviews Lou Huang, who has a background in architecture and urban planning. Lou built an opensource app called Streetmix and uses it to help the panel understand opensource projects from a user's perspective. Lou starts by sharing his background, how he got into opensource and his work making Streetmix sustainable.    Lou then explains that most Streetmix users are urban planners and don’t care if it is opensource or not. The panel weighs the trades offs of choosing an opensource project versus a non-opensource project.    Considering the benefits of using an opensource product, the panel discusses the effect opensource has on developers learning from opensource code. Convenience is mentioned and the panel touches on how seeing the code can ensure that your information stays private.    The trade-offs of using opensource are discussed by the panel. They also discuss how trade-offs are getting fewer. These trade-offs include extra time and the risk of the project not being maintainable.    The panel discusses what the word sustainability means and Lou references the Sustainability three-legged stool. The panel considers the three legs of the stool, economic, social and environmental.   How to raise awareness and funding for sustainable software. The panel also discusses why and how non-technical users of opensource products can contribute to sustaining software that they love. Panelists Eric Berry Richard Littauer Guest Lou Huang Sponsors   GitLab | Get 30% off tickets with the promo code: DEVCHATCOMMIT DevOps DevEd CacheFly Links https://www.codeforamerica.org/ http://saiko.fish  https://streetmix.net/  https://louhuang.com/ https://biffud.com/ https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1067682759592869889  https://www.facebook.com/Sustain-Our-Software-SOS-857471391289849/ https://twitter.com/sos_opensource Picks Eric Berry: https://theuserisdrunk.com  Unblocked  iPad Pro  Richard Littauer: https://www.sidetracked.com  https://indefenseofdegrowth.com  https://yellowlegalpads.com  Lou Huang: The economics of open source by C J Silverio | JSConf EU 2019  https://www.thegreathack.com  The Imposter's Handbook 

Sponsors Gitlab Commit Adventures in DevOps Podcast The DevEd Podcast Cachefly Panel Richard Littauer Joined By Special Guest: Chris Ward Episode Summary This week, Sustain Our Software welcomes Chris Ward, Technical Writer at Ethereum from Berlin, Germany. Chris shares his story of how he became a technical writer as well tips and resources for good documentation writing. After many years working as a developer, Chris realized he enjoyed helping others understand technical subjects. Chris defines a path of how to become a technical writer. He advises contributing to Open Source projects as well as joining the Write the Docs Society. Chris and Richard discuss why having good documentation is important and what the minimum viable documentation for a project is. Often times the assumptions that developers make are not very obvious to other developers on the project and the users. Then then discuss the common challenges a technical writer faces when creating documentation targeting developers, contributors and Getting Started Guide. A good technical documentation develops over time and like code it's never really done and newer versions are rolled out as questions come in. Chris recommends some tools for technical writing as well as a book by Stephen King called On Writing. He also recommends dogfooding or hackathons to help the developers work on usability issues. Then they talk about how the Bounties model can also be applied to documentation writing. Links Learn to Build on Ethereum with Kauri https://readthedocs.org/ https://github.com/btford/write-good/ Society for Technical Communication https://www.ethereum.org/ Write the Docs Society https://gitcoin.co/ On Writing https://github.com/errata-ai/vale https://chrischinchilla.com/   Picks Chris Ward: On Writing by Stephen King Write the Docs Society https://git-fork.com/ Richard Littauer: Bird by Bird by Anne Lamott Web3 Summit 2019 https://stevenpressfield.com/books/the-war-of-art/

Sponsors Gitlab Commit Adventures in DevOps Cachefly Panel Eric Berry Joined By Special Guest: Heath Arensen Episode Summary Heath Arensen is the Director of Business Planning and Sustainability at the Digital Impact Alliance's Open Source Center. He also supports Open Source projects with consulting and advising in Business Models for sustainability. The discussion opens with a discussion about a quote Heath has in his Twitter account “Belief that the world's best software can be built in the most unlikely places”. Heath grew up in East Africa and talks about how developers from Africa can face prejudice when it comes to their skills. They then talk about how developer talent can be cultivated around the world. Heath defines sustainability as more than just software. He describes their "Open-Sourcify" check-list that they go through when they are evaluating an Open Source project's sustainability. The panel then goes through an example where two countries exchange digital services and list the challenges that can arise along the way. They then talk about some of the successful cases Heath has worked on. Heath then talks about different Open Source revenue models that they go through when they evaluate an Open Source projects that benefit the community. They then invite people who are interested in being a part of an Open Source project that with to get in touch with them through their website. Links Towards a More Gender-inclusive Open Source Community https://www.osc.dial.community/ https://forum.osc.dial.community/ Digital Impact Alliance Heath's LinkedIn Heath's Twitter Picks Eric Berry: https://alteregoeffect.com/ https://www.playdemic.com/games/golf-clash Richard Littauer: Taking pics with his grandfather's Nikon camera

Sponsors React Native Radio iPhreaks Show Ruby Rogues Cachefly Panel Eric Berry Richard Littauer Joined By Special Guest: Bastien Guerry Episode Summary Bastien Guerry is employed by the French Administration in a program named Entrepreneurs d'intérêt général inspired by Presidential Innovation Fellows. He is also the Release Manager of Org Mode, an information management and outlining tool for Emacs. Bastien wrote his first software for his girlfriend to help her with her thesis. He then went onto maintain Org Mode between years 2011 and 2015. Bastien likens open source software maintainers' job to that of stay-at-home mothers' job description, as both are a lot of work and involve a lot of responsibility and stress and both are not compensated financially. The panel then ask about the evolution of Fund The Code Project which supports the free software movement by donations from sponsors. Bastien invites free software maintainers to contact Fund The Code Project for help in finding sponsors. Links Bastien Guerry - EmacsWiki Org mode _DINSIC Etalab Entrepreneurs d'intérêt général Presidential Innovation Fellows https://bzg.fr/en/donating-to-free-software-and-free-culture.html/ https://libraries.io/ https://backyourstack.com/ http://themaintainers.org/ Bastien Guerry (@bzg2) | Twitter Maintainers III: Practice, Policy and Care https://publiccode.net/ https://www.fundthecode.org/ http://openmodels.fr/en/ SOS 005: Trademark Versus Copyright to Sustain OSS with Mehdi Medjaoui Open Source & Software Development | O'Reilly OSCON Picks Eric Berry: Software Freedom Conservancy Richard Littauer: The Internet is a City https://www.amazon.com/Chomsky-Anarchism-Noam/dp/1904859208 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_and_Company_(bookstore) Bastien Guerry: https://www.writethedocs.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_Cardenio

Sponsors Cachefly Panel Richard Littauer Jon Schlinkert Eric Berry Joined By Special Guest: Mehdi Medjaoui Episode Summary Mehdi Medjaoui is the Steering Committee Member of The Maintainers and the founder of OAuth.io and APIdays Conferences. He is also the EU commission 2020 expert on open data and open APIs. He has co-authored O’Reilly Book “Continuous API management” and created the Maintainers Contract and ALIAS protocol. Mehdi and the panel shine a light on the lack of compensation for developers that maintain open source projects. A majority of these projects are used by many profitable end products but these profits do not make its way back to the developers that contribute with their open source code. The panel explores the best methods to write open source code and still be recognized for the development effort via trademark, licensing and copyright. Links Mehdi's LinkedIn Mehdi's Twitter Mehdi Medjaoui – Medium Sustain 2018 Tidelift Open Source Initiative The Market for Lemons FOSSmarks Contributor License Agreement Why I Do Not Support a Node Foundation by Eran Hammer https://www.fundthecode.org/ A Trademark-based contract for OSS maintainers https://github.com/micromatch/micromatch IBM closes $34 billion Red Hat acquisition: Now it's time to deliver Walmart's investment in open source isn't cheap Picks Eric Berry: Making Uncommon Knowledge Common SuperHuman marketing efforts Jon Schlinkert: Crossing the Chasm The Profit Zone Richard Littauer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cherry_Orchard The Great Book of Amber https://www.davidwhyte.com/ Mehdi Medjaoui: https://github.com/Droogans/unmaintainable-code https://increment.com/

Sponsors Cachefly Panel Pia Mancini Richard Littauer Joined By Special Guest: Samson Goddy and Vipul Gupta Episode Summary Samson Goddy and Vipul Gupta join the panelists Pia Mancini and Richard Littauer to talk about open source activities in Nigeria and India. Samson is the Member of the Oversight Board at Sugar Labs and co-founder of Open Source Community Africa and Vipul is a Global Outreach Team Lead at Sugar Labs. Sugar Labs is an activity-focused open-source software learning platform for children. Both Samson and Vipul agree that a lot of developers they talk to are not very familiar with open source and the most common question they receive in meet-up groups is how one can start to contribute to open source. They then discuss what can be done to have more open source contributors and conference attendance from the rest of the world. One of the main issues that make travel difficult is obtaining visa for non-USA and non-UK citizens. A practice that France has been doing for conference specific visas is brought up as a beneficial example. Links: https://www.oscafrica.org/ https://sustainoss.org/ 
https://www.sugarlabs.org/ Vipul Gupta's LinkedIn Vipul Gupta's Twitter Samson Goddy's Twitter Samson Goddy's LinkedIn https://pydelhi.org ALiAS https://opencollective.com/osca https://twitter.com/unicodeveloper https://www.yegor256.com/about-me.html Bounties - Open Collective Docs Sustain Summit 2018 | Sustain Open Source Picks Pia Mancini: Suggestion for certifications for open source contributions Suggestions to move opencollective forward Vipul Gupta: https://swipetounlock.com/ Richard Littauer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tyranny_of_Structurelessness Redshirts by John Scalzi Samson Goddy: Nigerian Jollof rice Black Panther (2018)

Sponsors Cachefly Panel Pia Mancini Eric Berry Joined By Special Guest: Greg Bloom Episode Summary Greg Bloom, the Chief Organizing Officer of Open Referral Initiative, a community of practice that develops data standards and open source tools that make it easier to share, find and use information about health, human, and social services.Greg talks about the evolution of Open Referral Initiative and defines what "commons" is. He mentions how some of the dilemmas developers are facing in open source software maintenance resembles some of the dilemmas dealt with in common resources management. The panel then talks about what principles or rules should be defined for using open source software resources by taking cues from the common resources management guidelines. Links: https://OpenReferral.org https://openreferral.org/our-video-open-referral-in-three-minutes/ Greg's LinkedIn Greg's Twitter Governing the Commons by Elinor Ostrom Tragedy of the Commons by Garrett Hardin Elinor Ostrom https://commons.blog/2012/08/18/how-commons-can-flourish/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_analysis_and_development_framework https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_analysis_and_development_framework The Institutional Analysis and Development Framework Principles of Open Source Institutional Design https://aspirationtech.org Governing Knowledge Commons by Brett M. Frischmann, Michael J. Madison, Katherine J. Strandburg Picks Eric Berry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preacher_(comics) iPadOS Preview Pia Mancini: The Age of Surveillance Capitalism by Shoshana Zuboff The Value of Everything by Mariana Mazzucato Greg Bloom: https://responsibledata.io/ https://digitalpublic.io/

Sponsors: CacheFly Panel Richard Littauer Jon Schlinkert Eric Berry Episode Summary The panel discusses the announcement of the beta GitHub Sponsors, a new way to financially support the developers who build the open source software. They list the features they like that GitHub Sponsors offers but think the beta roll-out could have been handled differently. A lot of critical software is dependent on open source software and many of these open source software libraries are maintained by unsupported developers. The panel uses border patrolling drones that are used to identify threats as an example to demonstrate how everyday life can suffer if open source sponsorship is geared only towards finished products rather than libraries like these. Links GitHub Sponsors Picks Jon Schlinkert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man's_Search_for_Meaning Eric Berry Eric Berry: https://metabase.com/ https://tryshift.com/ Richard Littauer: https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/momentum-generation

Sponsors Cachefly Panel Pia Mancini Richard Littauer Eric Berry Jon Schlinkert Episode Summary This new addition to the Devchat.tv podcast family is about software sustainability, open source projects funding and software maintenance. The panelists introduce themselves and their roles and backgrounds in software sustainability. The panelists also mention that 57% of all software built is open-source and the economic value of open source is over 360 billion dollars so it is crucial to keep developers who maintain open-source projects from burning out. That being said open-source projects have difficulty accessing funding. The panelists talk about efforts that have been made to combat that such as opencollective.com. They then talk about some of the other topics the panelists plan to cover are and invite the audience to recommend topics they would like to hear more about on open-source sustainability. Links https://www.zdnet.com/article/its-an-open-source-world-78-percent-of-companies-run-open-source-software/ https://www.blackducksoftware.com/download/2018-open-source-security-and-risk-analysis-infographic https://www.developer-tech.com/news/2015/oct/14/measuring-value-open-source/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTiyh47zFps tidelift.com opencollective.com maintainer.io codefund.io https://discourse.sustainoss.org/ Picks Jon Schlinkert: https://tidelift.com Eric Berry: https://adventure.land Richard Littauer: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/palaces-for-the-people/ Pia Mancini: https://www.brainpickings.org/figuring/ https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/03/21/702209976/can-inuit-moms-help-me-tame-my-3-year-olds-anger