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All parents want their kids to receive a quote unquote “good education.” But what about a great education? An excellent education? What does the ceiling look like?Our expert today, Professor Jal Mehata, has made a deep study - of what he calls “deeper learning.” We speak with him about how this can be achieved within a classroom, across a school campus, and even in our own homes.More on Jal:Jal Mehta is a Professor of Education at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. A sociologist by training, his work focuses on how to remake the industrial-era school system into a modern learning organization that creates purpose and passion for both students and adults. He is the author, most recently, with Sarah Fine, of In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School, as well as the author of The Allure of Order: High Hopes, Dashed Expectations and the Troubled Quest to Remake American Schooling. Jal is the co-director of the Deeper Learning Dozen, a community of practice of 12 districts across the United States and Canada that are seeking to remake themselves for the future. Jal works with teachers, schools, districts, and states in the U.S and around the world, seeking to cull wisdom from leading practitioners and share it with the field. Jal is also the proud recipient of the Morningstar Teaching Award at the Harvard Graduate School of Education.Resources:Www.nosillyquestionspodcast.comhttps://www.instagram.com/nosillyquestionspodcast/
Sarah Fine is co-author of "In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School." She teaches a deeper learning course at Harvard, and is the director of the San Diego Teacher Residency, which was formerly the High Tech High Graduate School of Education Teaching Apprenticeship program. Sarah and Jal share how they decided to pursue the project, what it was like to conduct research in schools and classrooms, who has guided and influenced their thinking and writing, how their views have changed since the books publishing, and why they have such a strong partnership even if they do drive each other nuts on occasion!http://www.deeperlearningdozen.org
In this episode of the EdSpark21 podcast, Karen Garza talks with Sarah Fine and Jal Mehta—taking a deep dive into the research findings in their book, In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School. Sarah M. Fine, Ed.D. is a faculty member at the High Tech High Graduate School of Education. Jal Mehta, Ph.D. is a professor at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. Before Karen became President and CEO of Battelle for Kids, she was most recently superintendent at Fairfax County Public Schools in Virginia and Lubbock Independent School District in Texas.
Join us for our second of three education-related interviews. This one is with Sarah Fine, director of the San Diego Teacher Residency at the High Tech High Graduate School of Education and author of In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School. Hear Sarah talk about project-based learning, the goals and operations of her program, and her ideas on how public schools and teachers nationwide can do a better job at supporting young people.
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"In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School" by Jal Mehta and Sarah Fine (2019) (http://bit.ly/3oQegvu) "Students now live in a world plagued by complex global problems, including climate change, massive economic inequality, ideological warfare, and a technological revolution marked by a chaotic proliferation of sources of opinion, fact, myth, paranoia, and disinformation. The generation of students coming of age today will be asked to navigate, survive, and, if they can, help to heal the world they have inherited. Schools will need to do their part to develop skilled, creative, educated, informed, and empathetic citizens and leaders — the kind of people that our economy, society, and democracy demand" (pp. 12-13). References: Jal Mehta (https://twitter.com/jal_mehta) Sarah Fine (https://twitter.com/sarahmfine) 100 Days of Conversations about Schools (https://www.100daysofconversations.org/) Human Restoration Project (https://www.humanrestorationproject.org/) REENVISIONED (https://www.reenvisioned.org/) youthxyouth (https://www.youthxyouth.com/) The Next 50 (https://thenext50.us/) Zak Malamed (https://twitter.com/zakmal) Michael Lipset of PassTell Stories (http://www.michaellipset.com/) Connect: Twitter (https://twitter.com/mjcraw) Website (https://www.mjcraw.com) Music from Digi G'Alessio CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 (https://bit.ly/2IyV71i)
Jal Mehta, “Make Schools More Human: The pandemic showed us that education was broken. It also showed us how to fix it,” NY Times, Dec. 23, 2020Jal Mehta and Sarah Fine, In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School
Today, the Getting Smart team is bringing you an episode on leading in a culture of change with Michael Fullan. Michael has been the world’s most persistent and persuasive advocate for powerful learning experiences. He is encouraged by the global momentum he sees with whole systems adopting deep learning strategies and policies. Twenty years after his best-selling book, Leading in a Culture of Change, Jossey-Bass released the second edition — certainly a timely resource! In this episode, Tom and Michael discuss the new edition of Leading in a Culture of Change and all that has been updated within its pages. With more than 50% of the words being completely new in the book, it is an incredibly important resource not to miss out on (even if you have read the first edition)! Michael gives listeners a preview of what he covers in this book as well as his views on what is currently happening in the world and how it is impacting the movement to deeper learning. Key Takeaways: [:10] About today’s episode with Michael Fullan. [:41] Tom welcomes Michael back to the podcast! [:49] When was the first edition of Leading in a Culture of Change released? [1:08] How much did Michael rewrite in this second edition? [2:28] What is a ‘culture of change’? And what does it have to do with education leadership? [5:55] Why you need to read the second edition of Leading in a Culture of Change (even if you’ve already read the first edition). [6:51] Key differences between the first and second edition of the book. [9:20] What being a lead learner means. [10:22] The importance of the phrase, “I don’t know,” in unlocking deeper learning. [11:58] The five components of change leadership. Michael explains the first one, moral purpose. [12:48] Why it is more important to focus on impact than moral purpose. [13:30] Discussing the notion of unintended consequences and how they can come about. [14:32] The second of the five components of change leadership: understanding change. Michael also shares what he means by nuance when it comes to leaders that succeed vs. those that fail. [16:43] Change is complicated and requires us to study the nuances of change and to be prepared for things to occur differently than we had anticipated. Michael unpacks this idea and shares potential mistakes that can be made during change. [20:20] The third of the five components of change leadership: building relationships. [24:22] Reimagining education in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. [27:22] The fourth component of change leadership: creating and sharing knowledge. [32:23] The last of the five components of change leadership: creating coherence. [34:13] Is it easier to create coherence in a new school than an old school? How does Michael engineer coherence in an incoherent system that has layers of inherited policy, structure, and systems? [37:27] Is Michael still optimistic about more deep learning globally? [38:48] Tom thanks Michael for joining the podcast! Mentioned in This Episode: Leading in a Culture of Change, by Michael Fullan — Grab yourself a copy here! Nuance: Why Some Leaders Succeed and Others Fail, by Michael Fullan Mary Parker Follett “Reimagining Education: From Remote to Hybrid Learning,” by Michael Fullan and Joanne Quinn in collaboration with Microsoft American Journal of Education (AJE) In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School, by Jal Mehta and Sarah Fine Difference Making at the Heart of Learning: Students, Schools, and Communities Alive With Possibility, by Tom Vander Ark and Emily Liebtag Coherence: The Right Drivers in Action for Schools, Districts, and Systems, by Michael Fullan and Joanne Quinn The Devil Is in the Details: System Solutions for Equity, Excellence, and Student Well-Being, by Michael Fullan and Mary Jean Gallagher The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, by Thomas S. Kuhn Get Involved: Check out the blog at GettingSmart.com. Find the Getting Smart Podcast on iTunes, leave a review and subscribe. Is There Somebody You’ve Been Wanting to Learn From or a Topic You’d Like Covered? To get in contact: Email Editor@GettingSmart.com and include ‘Podcast’ in the subject line. The Getting Smart team will be sure to add them to their list!
This week on TeachLab, host Justin Reich is joined in a live webinar by colleagues Jal Mehta from the Harvard Graduate School Of Education, and Neema Avashia, a Civics teacher in the Boston Public Schools to discuss the Imagining September report; a joint research project to identify values and priorities for reopening schools.“We have to get smarter about how we structure ourselves in ways that actually are in service of kids learning.” - Neema AvashiaManaging uncertainty What worked this spring and what did not work Ideas brought by students Imagining September What do you value most from school? How could you start to imagine some of the things you value most from school appearing in a new hybrid remote format. What can you leave behind? Getting smarter about school structure Connecting with all kids Being a teacher and a citizen in today’s climate Being safe AND feeling safe in schools Audience Questions Resources and LinksCheck out Imagining September: Principles and Design Elements for Ambitious Schools During COVID-19Check out Imagining September: Online Design Charrettes for Fall 2020 Planning with Students and StakeholdersCheck out Jal Mehta’s Book In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High SchoolFull webinar link coming soon! Transcripthttps://teachlabpodcast.simplecast.com/episodes/imagining-september/transcript Produced by Aimee Corrigan Recorded and mixed by Garrett Beazley Follow Us On:FacebookTwitterYouTube
This week on TeachLab, Justin is joined by Paul Reville, founding director of the Harvard Graduate School of Education’s Redesign Lab, and former Secretary of Education for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. They discuss the future of education during and post-pandemic, the shift of involvement for parents in their child's education, and the need for communities to shift in order to support it.“...it goes beyond just having higher expectations for families, and extended families. It goes to having higher expectations for our communities as a whole.”Education Redesign LabPost-pandemic education The risk of categorizing and ostracizing students with less resources at homeBuilding relationships with students and families and getting feedbackSupporting parents at the centerBreaking community boundaries and connecting with other districts Note to the audience:The Teaching Systems Lab and the TeachLab team would like to thank all of our audience for their patronage as we attempt to shift our production and content in the light of the COVID-19 pandemic. We think it is of the utmost importance to continue distributing as much content as we can, and as widely as we can, to assist those who are in need of information in these difficult times. We are working to improve the quality of our content with these new constraints and get back to a more regular scheduling. Thank you for your patience. Resources and LinksCheck out “Broader, Bolder, Betterr: How Schools and Communities Help Students Overcome the Disadvantages of Poverty” by Elaine Weiss and Paul RevilleLearn more about The Education Redesign LabCheck out “In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School” by Jal Mehta and Sarah Fine Transcripthttps://teachlabpodcast.simplecast.com/episodes/paul-reville/transcript Produced by Aimee Corrigan and Garrett BeazleyRecorded and mixed by Garrett Beazley Follow Us On:FacebookTwitterYouTube
Jose R. Cabanas, Ambassador of the Republic of Cuba to the United States. John Protzko from the Department of Psychological & Brain Sciences on the truthfulness of fast answers. Author Sarah Fine on book “In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School." Timothy Beach, University of Texas at Austin, on Mayan irrigation. Rose Sokol-Chang of the American Psychological Association on why kids whine. Kirsten Hawkes from ParentPreviews.com on movies about female villains.
Cuba's Ambassador on the Escalating US Sanctions (0:31)Guest: Jose R. Cabanas, Ambassador of the Republic of Cuba to the United StatesSince President Donald Trump took office he has steadily re-imposed sanctions and travel restrictions on Cuba that Obama Administration had lifted. Recently, the Trump Administration has imposed additional sanctions because of Cuba's support for the Maduro government in Venezuela. Cuba, Russia and China continue to back Nicolas Maduro, while the US, European Union and most Latin American countries recognize opposition leader Juan Guaido as Venezuela's interim president and want Maduro to step down. Fast Answers to Questions Aren't Necessarily More Truthful (12:33)Guest: John Protzko is a Cognitive Scientist in the Department of Psychological & Brain Sciences, University of California, Santa BarbaraIf you ask someone a question and they answer quickly, that must mean they're telling the truth, right? Because they don't have time to come up with a lie? Well, not necessarily. Turns out that people can -and will -lie when under pressure. How American High Schools can Promote Greater Learning (22:25)Guest: Sarah Fine, Co-Author of “In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School”, Program Director at High Tech High Graduate School of EducationThink back to high school for a moment, if you can bear it. Where did you do your most engaged learning? Was it in particular subject, or with a particular teacher? Maybe it wasn't even in class, but during extracurricular activity. That's how it was for me. I worked on the school newspaper. No surprise there, I guess. Education researcher Sarah Fine spent hundreds of hours shadowing high school students in some of the nation's best schools to figure out the special ingredients for what she calls “deeper learning.” I Can Do Science (39:30)Guest: Maya Swamps and Irrigation May Have Supported a Much Bigger Population (50:38)Guest: Timothy Beach, Ph.D., Geoarchaeologist, Department of Geography and the Environment, University of Texas at AustinJust how large were the ancient Mayan cities of Latin America, and how advanced were their farming practices? The two are connected because a civilization can only be as large as it has food to sustain itself –either by growing it or importing it. So that's why geoarchaeologist Timothy Beach spends so much time puzzling over the Maya farming question. Recently he and his team used airplanes equipped with radar to make some startling discoveries about the scale of Maya agriculture a thousand years ago. Your Kid Might Have a Good Reason to Whine (1:04:39)Guest: Rose Sokol-Chang, PhD, Journal Publisher at the American Psychological Association“How do I stop my kids from whining?” is one of the top questions parenting experts get. But Rose Sokol-Chang studied whining at Clark University and she says it's actually an important part of a child's social development. That it's even a sign of love and affection and parents should pay attention to. Movies about Female Villains (1:17:53)Guest: Kirsten Hawkes, ParentPreviews.comWhy is it that Disney's princesses are nearly always up against a female villain? A villainess if you will. The Evil Queen, Ursula the Sea Witch, the Wicked Stepmother. . . Maleficient. With the second Maleficient film out in theaters, Kirsten Hawkes of ParentPreviews.com has been giving some thought to the phenomenon of the female villain. What motivates them? Which are the most villainous –and why?
Today, the Getting Smart team is speaking with Dr. Scott McLeod, an Associate Professor of Educational Leadership at the University of Colorado Denver. Scott has been in the ed-tech space and an advocate for many years and is widely recognized as one of the nation’s leading experts on technology in learning. Most of his work with schools and leaders across the globe have been focused on transformation for the demands of the 2000s and beyond, as well as how to adapt traditional schooling systems to a global innovation society. Scott is also the Founding Director of the UCEA Center for the Advanced Study of Technology Leadership in Education (CASTLE), which is the only university center focused on future-ready leadership needs and supporting school leaders and systems to do that work (not just teachers in the classroom.) In today’s podcast, Scott argues for four big shifts that are transforming learning: moving from recall to more complex problem solving, doing authentic work, adding voice and choice to build student agency, and infusing technology in powerful ways. He also describes the work that he did helping schools nationally implement technology, shares his thoughts on leadership and deeper learning, and how technology can help create powerful learning experiences. Key Takeaways: [:15] About today’s episode. [:49] Tom welcomes Scott to the podcast! [:54] How did Scott become a middle school teacher in Charlotte? [1:12] Where did Scott go to high school? [1:20] When did Scott know he wanted to become a teacher? [1:42] Why did Scott get his Ph.D. at Iowa? [2:35] How has Scott’s law degree given him a unique perspective on the work he does today? [3:24] Why has the shift from print to digital in the last (approx.) 30 years not been the huge transformation in learning Tom once thought it would be? [5:36] Why hasn’t this shift to digital been able to create a new shared vision of learning for teachers? [7:29] Would Scott describe this shift in education as more of a technology integration rather than a transformation? [10:30] Scott describes the work that he did at Iowa (and internationally) to implement technology. [13:02] Scott explains why he wrote his recently published book, Harnessing Technology for Deeper Learning. He also elaborates on what limitations he wanted to address through the book. [16:30] Why is deeper learning taking off? [20:50] What does the 4 Shifts Protocol look like in an elementary lesson? [23:13] How might Scott redesign a secondary Social Studies lesson? [25:47] How would Scott summarize Chapter 6 from his book on mind-shifts teachers need to have. [27:01] Lightning round: Does Scott think these things are overrated or underrated? Augmented reality, automated scoring, adaptive learning, assistive technology, artificial intelligence, and anywhere-anytime learning! [30:35] What is Scott optimistic about right now in education? [32:12] Where to go to learn more about Scott and his work. Mentioned in This Episode: Scott McLeod’s LinkedIn Education Week’s Technology Counts Survey Different Schools for a Different World, by Scott McLeod and Dean Shareski Harnessing Technology for Deeper Learning, by Scott McLeod and Julie Graber Getting Smart Ep.151: “Michael Fullan Sees Global Momentum for Deep Learning” 4 Shifts Protocol Mystery Skype “Contribution: Schools Alive with Possibility,” by Tom Vander Ark on Getting Smart DangerouslyIrrelevant.org Want to Hear More About Deeper Learning? Check out Episode 203 with Jal Mehta that features a discussion based on his new book: In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School. Get Involved: Check out the blog at GettingSmart.com. Find the Getting Smart Podcast on iTunes, leave a review and subscribe. Is There Somebody You’ve Been Wanting to Learn From or a Topic You’d Like Covered? To get in contact: Email Editor@GettingSmart.com and include ‘Podcast’ in the subject line. The Getting Smart team will be sure to add them to their list!
Unpleasant Truth about Education #47: Kids learn more deeply in school when participating in extracurriculars than they do when being taught in classrooms. That's one of the many provocative conclusions drawn by authors Jal Mehta and Sarah Fine in their book In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School. It's a fascinating in-depth look at how learning happens at three very different schools in the U.S., and it's also a primer on what we can do to bring more authentic learning opportunities to students on a regular basis. In this hour long podcast, we talk about what deep learning actually is, what some of the barriers are to making it happen within the traditional school structures and systems, how teachers and leaders can reframe their practice, and why it is that more powerful learning conditions are easier for some teachers to create than others. Here's a quote from the book to whet your appetite: In the spaces that teachers, students, and our own observations identified as the most compelling, students had opportunities to develop knowledge and skill (mastery), they came to see their core selves as vitally connected to what they were learning and doing (identity), and they had opportunities to enact their learning by producing something rather than simply receiving knowledge (creativity). Often these spaces or classrooms were governed by a logic of apprenticeship; students had opportunities to make things (newspapers, collections of poetry, documentary films, theater productions, debate performances) under the supervision of faculty and / or older students who would model the creative steps involved, provide examples of high-quality work, and offer precise feedback. Not coincidentally, the most successful teachers and extracurricular leaders whom we encountered had themselves been apprenticed into their fields in a similar way—and these experiences had helped them develop a stance about what they were doing that differed from the “teaching as transmission” view that was so prevalent (Kindle 6-7). Enjoy!
Today, Tom Vander Ark has a conversation with Dr. Jal Mehta! Dr. Mehta grew up in Baltimore and is the son of a school administrator and a college professor. Now, as an Assistant Professor at Harvard’s Graduate School of Education, Mehta is a leading advocate for deeper learning. Dr. Mehta appreciated that his mentor, Richard Elmore, was always a knowledgeable person in the room because he spent time in schools every week. Dr. Mehta followed suit, and visited the best high schools in the country and co-authored a new book, In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School. In today’s conversation, Dr. Jal Mehta shares his observations and expertise with Tom from the many schools he has visited. He also gives examples of powerful deeper learning in the primary grades, middle school, and high school. Key Takeaways: [:14] About today’s episode. [1:00] Tom welcomes Dr. Jal Mehta to the podcast. [1:08] About Mehta’s upbringing and early education. [4:06] Dr. Mehta speaks about his mentor, Richard Elmore, and what led him to spend time in other schools. [6:05] How the hundreds of years of tradition in schools have impacted education today. [9:09] What powerful deeper learning looks like in primary grades. [12:15] What powerful deeper learning looks like in middle school. [14:18] What powerful deeper learning looks like in high school. Dr. Mehta also gives some of his favorite examples he has seen. [18:11] Should we have discipline-based courses? Is that still the best way to organize high school? [25:48] Is Dr. Mehta optimistic about the new exercises being built around what graduates should know and be able to do (AKA a ‘portrait of a graduate’)? [28:00] Tom gives his take on the ‘portrait of a graduate’ processes. [28:56] Tom and Dr. Mehta discuss how communities need to choose the way in which they work together with other people to build new learning experiences and new learning organizations. [32:57] Dr. Mehta gives his advice on visiting schools; how to pick them and how to learn as much as you can when you visit them. [37:00] Did Dr. Mehta leave this anthropological project of his optimistic about the direction of the American high school? Mentioned in This Episode: In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School, by Jal Mehta and Sarah Fine Better Together: How to Leverage School Networks For Smarter Personalized and Project Based Learning, by Tom Vander Ark and Lydia Dobyns No Child Left Behind Act 4.0 Schools The Allure of Order: High Hopes, Dashed Expectations, and the Troubled Quest to Remake American Schooling, by Jal Mehta For More on Deeper Learning, Check Out: Episode 187 with Jemar Lee, a graduate from the Iowa BIG; or Episode 163 about designing from scratch for timeless learning with Pam Moran! Get Involved: Check out the blog at GettingSmart.com. Find the Getting Smart Podcast on iTunes, leave a review and subscribe. Is There Somebody You’ve Been Wanting to Learn From or a Topic You’d Like Covered? To get in contact: Email Editor@GettingSmart.com and include ‘Podcast’ in the subject line. The Getting Smart team will be sure to add them to their list!
Dr. Sarah Fine, co-author of In Search of Deeper Learning, The Quest to Remake the American High School talks about her research into remarkable high school experiences. Also, check the show notes for a transcript. www.coolcatteacher.com/e484 Dr. Sarah Fine, Bio as Submitted Dr. Sarah Fine is an educator, ethnographer, and the co-author of In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School. She currently directs the High Tech High Graduate School of Education's Teaching Apprenticeship Program and also serves as a Lecturer in Education Studies at the University of California San Diego. Her work has appeared in the Washington Post, the New York Times, Education Week, and a range of academic journals. Twitter: @sarahmfine