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https://dealcasters.live/ (Dealcasters.Live) Holly Shannon is not only the best selling author of Zero To Podcast, but also the Producer and Host of Culture Factor 2.0 – which explores the company cultures of today and what businesses are doing to adapt very quickly. Holly also has a tremendous passion for working with podcasters of all levels and gives some great strategies for all of us. Get ready for takeoff! https://rebrand.ly/ZeroToPodcast (This Full video episode available for free at: https://rebrand.ly/ZeroToPodcast) https://rebrand.ly/HollyList (All of the products discussed in this podcast can be found here: https://rebrand.ly/HollyList) https://dealcasters.live/ (All video episodes available for free at: https://dealcasters.live) Follow Dealcasters: https://dealcasters.live/ (Amazon) https://www.instagram.com/dealcasters (Instagram) https://www.twitter.com/dealcasterslive (Twitter) https://rebrand.ly/DealcasterYouTube (YouTube) https://www.linkedin.com/company/dealcasters-live (LinkedIn) https://www.facebook.com/dealcasterslive (Facebook) https://www.twitch.tv/dealcasters (Twitch) https://www.pinterest.com/Dealcasters/ (Pinterest) https://www.tiktok.com/@dealcasters (TikTok) Full Episode Transcript: If you've ever thought about starting a podcast for your own business, or maybe work in the podcasting industry and you just want to know what it's like behind the scenes. I don't want to stick around for this one. Holly, Shannon is not only the best selling author. Zero to podcast, but also the producer and host of culture factor 2.0, which explores the company cultures of today and what businesses are doing to adapt very well quickly. Holly also has a tremendous passion for podcasters of all levels, and also gives us all, some strategies that we can take. Our podcast to the next level. So get ready to take off. Thank you. Thanks for having me, Chris. Thank you for having me, Jim. We're just great. I ate all the cookies and milk in the back, so there's none left and I actually brought the champagne. Cause you said it was a party Oh, nice. You got a headstart on us. Very nice. Yeah. So Holly you're you actually are now living in where I grew up the Washington DC area. Person. I always have fun talking about with the Washington football team. So now I know you're a recent arrival to that area from our conversation. So we'll see. Maybe you'll like the football team, maybe you won't, but I'll be nice to do a live event, right? Yeah. Oh, geez. Yeah. You in your position, maybe prior you did that, right? You worked in the event space. Maybe you could talk a little bit about that because that did lead you to where you're at now and writing the book and being involved in the in the podcasting space. Yeah. So I had always been in the event space. I've done trade shows, conferences, which he costs fatality, very large events, very small curated ones that are for like the C-suite board level retreats had a history of that. And then I got into doing more of the marketing strategy, which I did towards the tail end of last year and into this year. That was really great. Actually it was with Oh, bears, resorts collection, really great team of people. They have 25 properties. I really got to work on my my strap size side of marketing, which is really fun, really understanding, the why and the end game of the goals. So I got to do that and then COVID hit and the whole event, industry and hotels, everything took a nosedive. So I actually got into podcasting a bit by accident and have come to really enjoy it and thought this is really great. It's such a great marketing tool. And so I have built out of it the ability to get businesses B2B and in individuals into podcasting because there's so many. Great benefits to it. I just love it so much. I could sell it all day long. It's really great. Yeah. So that's the. The trip, the trail my, my road was never linear. It was always a little bit of that, but it's all...

Episode Summary In this episode physical therapist, biomechanist, and researcher,Dr. Amy Arundale talks about how to decrease the risk of ACL injury.  Amelia (Amy) Arundale, PT, PhD, DPT, SCS is a physical therapist and researcher.  Amy is transitioning to a new role as a physical therapist at Red Bull’s Athlete Performance Center in Thalgua, Austria. Today, Amy tells us about injury-prevention programs, communicating with different stakeholders, and helping empower athletes through education. We also get to hear about her recent publication on Basketball, Sports medicine, and rehabilitation. How does motor-learning, creative thinking, and problem-solving relate to ACL injuries? Amy tells us about implementation and compliance with injury-prevention programs, internal versus external cues as they relate to injury prevention, and the gaps in the research, all on today’s episode of The Healthy, Wealthy & Smart Podcast.   Key Takeaways “We’ve got great information. We know these programs can work, but for them to work, you have to do them.” “You may be a physio, and you may have this injury-prevention knowledge, but you don’t have to be there for this to happen. It’s just as effective for you to run this program as it is for a coach or a parent to run it.” “It’s exciting to see where this next generation is going to be because I think we’re going to have some athletes that are more empowered to know more about their body.” “We need to be better at reporting our biases, looking at our subject populations, and funding and encouraging studies outside of ‘the global North.’” Giving yourself the space and kindness to recognise that you don’t know everything and make it a point to learn more is good therapy.   More about Amy:  Amelia (Amy) Arundale, PT, PhD, DPT, SCS is a physical therapist and researcher. Originally from Fairbanks, Alaska, she received her Bachelor’s Degree with honors from Haverford College. Gaining both soccer playing and coaching experience throughout college, she spent a year as the William Penn Fellow and Head of Women’s Football (soccer) at the Chigwell School, in London. Amy completed her DPT at Duke University and throughout gained experience working at multiple soccer clubs in the US and Norway. Amy applied this experience working at Balance Physical Therapy providing physical therapy for the Capitol Area Soccer Club (now North Carolina F.C. Youth) and the U23 Carolina Railhawks. In 2013, Amy moved to Newark, Delaware to pursue a PhD under Dr. Lynn Snyder-Mackler. Amy’s dissertation examined primary and secondary ACL injury prevention as well as career length and return to performance in soccer players. After a short post-doc in Linköping, Sweden in 2017, Amy joined the Brooklyn Nets as a physical therapist and biomechanist as well as The Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Health System as a visiting scientist. Currently, Amy is transitioning to a new role as a physical therapist at Red Bull’s Athlete Performance Center in Thalgua, Austria. Outside of work, Amy plays Australian Rules Football for both the New York Magpies and US National Team.  Amy has also been involved in the APTA and AASPT, including serving as Director of the APTA’s Student Assembly, a member of the APTA’s Leadership Development Committee, chair of the AASPT’s Membership Committee, and currently as a member of the AASPT Diversity and Inclusion Committee.   Suggested Keywords ACL, Injuries, Recovery, Injury-Prevention, Learning, Sports, Physiotherapy, Research, PT, Rehabilitation, Health, Therapy,   Recommended reading https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/54/21/1245     To learn more, follow Amy at: Instagram:       @squeakyedgar LinkedIn:         Amelia (Amy) Arudale Twitter:            @soccerPT11   Subscribe to Healthy, Wealthy & Smart: Website:  https://podcast.healthywealthysmart.com Apple Podcasts:      https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/healthy-wealthy-smart/id532717264 Spotify:                        https://open.spotify.com/show/6ELmKwE4mSZXBB8TiQvp73 SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/healthywealthysmart Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/healthy-wealthy-smart iHeart Radio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/263-healthy-wealthy-smart-27628927   Read the Full Transcript Here:    Speaker 1 (00:07): Welcome to the healthy, wealthy, and smart podcast. Each week we interview the best and brightest in physical therapy, wellness, and entrepreneurship. We give you cutting edge information. You need to live your best life. Healthy, wealthy, and smart. The information in this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and should not be used as personalized medical advice. And now here's your host, Dr. Karen Litzy. Speaker 2 (00:38): Hey everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. I am your host. Karen Lindsay, and today's episode is brought to you by net health net health therapy for private practices, a cloud-based all in one EMR solution for managing your practice. That's right. One piece of software that handles all of your scheduling documentation, billing and reporting needs. Plus a lot more in one super easy to use package. Right now, Neta health is offering a special deal for healthy, wealthy, and smart listeners. Complete a demo with the net health team and get $100 towards lunch for your staff. Visit net health.com/ [inaudible] to get started and get access to free resources for PTs like eBooks on demand, webinars, and business tools. Once again, that's net health.com/l I T Z Y my last name very, very easy now onto today's episode. So what we're doing with the podcast this month, and really every month going forward is we're going to have several guests that are all going to talk about one topic in various forums. Speaker 2 (01:40): This month, our topic is ACL injury and rehabilitation. And my first guest is not only an incredible physical therapist, a great researcher, but also a great friend of mine. That is Dr. Amelia, Aaron Dale, or Amy Arundale. So Amy is a physical therapist and researcher originally from Fairbanks, Alaska. She received her bachelor's degree with honors, from Haverford college, gaining both soccer, playing and coaching experience throughout college. She spent a year as the William Penn fellow and head of women's football at the Chigwell school in London. Amy completed her DPT at Duke university and throughout gained experience working at multiple soccer clubs in the U S and Norway. Amy applied this experience working at balanced physical therapy, providing physical therapy for the capital area soccer club. Now North Carolina FC youth, and the U 23 Carolina rail Hawks. In 2013, Amy moved to Newark Delaware to pursue a PhD under Dr. Speaker 2 (02:40): Lynn Snyder, Mackler Amy's dissertation examined primary and secondary ACL injury prevention, as well as career link and returned to performance in soccer players. After a short postdoc in Linkoping Sweden in 2017, Amy joined the Brooklyn nets as a physical therapist, the biomechanics as, as the Icahn school of medicine at Mount Sinai health system, as a visiting scientist, currently, Amy is transitioning to a new role as a physical therapist at red bull's athletic performance center in Austria, outside of work, Amy plays Australian rules football for both the New York magpies and us national team. She has also been involved in the AP TA in the AA S P T, which is the American Academy of sports physical therapy, including serving as director of AP TA student assembly, a member of the AP TA's leadership development committee, chair of the AASP membership committee, and currently as a member of the AASP T diversity and inclusion committee. Speaker 2 (03:37): So what do we talk about today? All about ACL's right. So we talk about injury prevention and risk mitigation programs, how they work, what the pros and cons are how collaboration is so necessary amongst all stakeholders and why exciting new research that includes motor learning principles, creative thinking, and problem solving, and are there gaps in the literature and what can we, as clinicians and as researchers do about those gaps in the research. Now, the other thing Amy has so generously done for our listeners is she is going to give away one copy of basketball, sports medicine in science. This is a book that she was involved in as an editor, and it is over 1000 pages. The book is massive, it's huge. And she's going to give a copy away to one lucky listener. So how do you win that copy? All you have to do is go to my Instagram page. My handle is at Karen Lindsey, and you will find out how to win a copy of basketball, sports, medicine, and science. Again, that's go to my Instagram page at Karen Lindsey, and we will give this book away to one lucky listener at the end of the month of February. So you have the whole month to sign up for this. So a huge thanks to Amy and everyone enjoyed today's episode. Speaker 3 (05:04): Hey, everybody, welcome back to the podcast. So this month we're going to be examining ACL injuries and ACL rehab. And my first guest this month to help take us through the ACL Mays is Dr. Amy Arundale. So Amy, welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much. We're starting up at the beginning of the year with the A's with it. I didn't even think about that. Yes. But then next month we go right to running and just skip everything else in between. That's fine. Excellent. So Amy, before we get into sort of the meat of the episode, what I would love for you to do is tell the listeners a little bit more about some of your more current research projects, things like that. So I will hand it over to you. Sure. So I'm just finishing Speaker 4 (05:58): Up as a physical therapist and biomechanics at the Brooklyn nets. So I've been working clinically with them and then doing a little bit of kind of in-house research as well. And then on the side have been working on a few different projects. The biggest one right now is starting the revisions for the knee and ACL injury prevention me Andrew prevention, clinical practice guidelines. So those were originally published in [inaudible] in 2018 and clinical practice guidelines get revised every three years. So 2021 we're due for we're due for a revision. So that's my, the biggest project I've got going right now. And a few other things working with the United States Australian rules, football league on some injury surveillance and injury prevention, particularly on the women's side. And I'm getting ready to move to Austria to begin working for red bull and I, which I'm really excited about that. Speaker 3 (07:04): Amazing, amazing. They all sound really like really great projects. And since you brought up injury prevention, let's dive into that first. So there are a lot of injury prevention programs. So can you talk a little bit about those programs in general, and then talk about really, what is what's really key for injury prevention in our athletes when it comes to those programs? Speaker 4 (07:34): Absolutely. So there's a range of different programs that have all been published on and some of them are probably a little better known than others. The FIFA 11 plus, or what's now known as just the 11 plus maybe the, one of the most notable it actually came out of a program that was called the pep program. So the 11 plus was kind of aimed at soccer players, although it has been tested in other athletes and it's considered, it's kind of a dynamic warmup. So it has some dynamic stretching and some running, some strengthening, neuromuscular control, some balance exercises within it. And most of the programs that we see that have been researched are similar kind of dynamic warmups and include a variety of different things that help athletes kind of get warmed up. So some of the other ones that have been published on include the control or knee control program coming out of Sweden at the microburst and the ACL prevention in Norwegian handball has had some great success and great literature. Speaker 4 (08:47): There's the harmony program and then the sports metrics programs a little bit different. It's actually a program that was designed to be kind of a in and of itself. So it's a three times a week, 90 minute per program, primarily plyometric based. So it's a little bit different from the other programs, but has also been successful. So we've got a number of these programs that we've seen to reduce knee and ACL injuries in particular. And most of them actually have been quite successful at reducing just injuries as a whole. But the key components that we see in particular being important for ACL and knee injuries are that these programs have a strength component. So they're building strength, particularly in the hips, the quads, the hamstrings, but also in the core. So it kind of proximal in like terms of like hip and core strengthening, being important plyometric component seems to be important. To some extent a balance component may be important, although that's kind of questionable as to like how important that is. And that's one of the things that we still need more literature on is how do these components interact and influence each other? Because we seem to know what we think is important, but how much and how those different components interact. We still don't know as much about. Speaker 3 (10:25): And when we're talking about these programs, I would imagine some of the most difficult aspects of them, especially if we're looking at a younger population. So your high school, even collegiate athletes is doing them. Yup. So can you talk a little bit about implementation and compliance with these programs and how to instill that into these players and teams? Speaker 4 (10:57): Yeah, I think, you know, we've got, like you said, we've got great information. We know these programs can work, but for them to work, you have to do them. And that implementation piece, you know, whether that be in clinical research you know, we talk about that gap between research and clinical practice. We really see that here in ACL injury prevention. And part of that also is it's not just physios in implementing where we've got a whole range of stakeholders, whether those be the athletes themselves, to coaches who are often running training sessions to parents who really have to kind of be bought in to teams and clubs as a whole. Because if you have a culture that kind of instills the importance of doing a prevention program, then it's going to kind of, it may benefit in kind of trickling down. And that's also a wider culture as well. Speaker 4 (11:58): Social media scene pro teams do it. There's all sorts of layers to this. But what I think implementation really takes is identifying with that athlete or that team what's what are barriers what's important? What do we feel is, is most important? What's not as an important, and then coming up together kind of, kind of with a collaborative strategy to overcome what are those barriers? So we know information and knowledge kind of that buy-in is important. Why the why, why are we doing this in the first place? But then there's also some of the actual practical pieces of your athlete might not want to do an exercise lying down in the grass because that grass might be wet. They're going to be wet for the rest of their training session, wet and cold for the rest of their training session. So I think it has to be a really collaborative effort. Speaker 4 (12:59): And each in each situation that solution may look a little bit different. We've got some really kind of interesting information coming out. For example, the 11 plus has now a couple of studies on breaking it apart. So taking some of the pieces, for example, taking the strengthening pieces and putting them at the end of training sessions. So coaches often complained that, you know, these injury prevention programs take too long and when you've only got the field for an hour, they don't want to give up 20 minutes of their training session to do this program. So now let's take, maybe we can take this strength piece out. I means, all right. So maybe it's 10 minutes warming up at the beginning. That's probably a little easier for a coach to swallow. Then as we're cooling down, maybe we're off the pitch where we get everybody together, we finished those strengthening components. So we're still getting the entire prevention program done with that training session, but it's split up. And so thinking creatively like that are some of the ways that I think we can do a lot better in our implementation, rather than just saying, do this, here you go. Why aren't and then coming back and saying, well, why aren't you doing it? Speaker 3 (14:18): Right, right. Oh, that's, that is really interesting that and what is, does the research show that splitting it up is still as effective? Speaker 4 (14:28): Yeah. From what we know thus far, it does seem to be as effective. I think there's some other projects that are starting to look at, can you actually do that strengthening piece at home now there's other pieces that, you know, compliance at home, remembering doing those exercises the right way that could come into play there. But as of right now, what it seems like splitting it up does seem, seem to be splitting it up. At least within a training session does seem to be as effective. Speaker 3 (14:58): Excellent. And so aside from time and constraints on like you said, wet grass, things like that, what are some other common barriers that you have seen or that the research has shown to be a barrier to doing any of these? The above mentioned prevention programs. Speaker 4 (15:21): Yeah. I think coaching education is a really big one. So whether there's a few studies in Germany that we're just looking at a coach's awareness of the 11 plus and for a program that's kind of sponsored by FIFA, you know, it's promoted as kind of this soccer warmup, you would think that coaches would be kind of aware of it. And it's, it's very quite, it's actually quite surprising how few coaches are, are aware of it. Part of that is it's not in their coaching education. So at least in soccer, as coaches move up, what kind of within the ranks and, and in higher level teams, they've got a complete licenses, just like you have to complete a license to be a physio and complete continuing education in soccer coaches do to getting that program into that coaching education, I think is a really important piece. Speaker 4 (16:18): But then there's also the piece of helping them understand, again, coming back to that, why, you know, yeah, you want your players to be available. You don't want your players injured. And that's not just a, an immediate fact, but helping them understand the long-term implications, especially of something like an ACL injury, this is not an injury. That's just going to mean you don't have this athlete for a year. This is something that's going to affect how they play long-term it's gonna affect their knee long-term it could affect their career. So this has long-term implications. Buy-In also can come from kind of some of the performance effects, the stronger, faster, more talented athlete that's that there are some of those performance effects coming potentially from performing some of these injury prevention programs or injury prevention or injury risk medic mitigation programs that can help buy in. Speaker 4 (17:22): And then if we just look at Google would cut straight to the chase, is coaches want to win oftentimes and money. If you've got more players available, we know more players available equals a more successful team. And even Holly silver is actually in some of her dissertation work looked straight at the more you do the 11 plus the more successful the NCAA division one men's team was. So there's, there's she, she actually was able to draw a connection between doing the FIFA 11 plus and winning that those are the types of things that oftentimes coaches will latch onto and say, yeah, I want to win. Or clubs will say, yeah, we want to win. We want to do that thing that makes us that, that next level that makes us better at the higher levels that keeps us earning money. Speaker 3 (18:18): Okay. Exactly. So from, from what it sounds like is to get these programs implemented is you need a lot of collaboration from everyone, from all the stakeholders, whether it be the coaches, the trainers, the physios, the players, the owners, when we're talking about big league teams and, and with our younger, our younger subset of athletes, parents, coaches, and the kids themselves. And, and I guess communicating the value of these programs depends on who you're talking to, which is why, if you're the physio communicating the program, you really have to have a different set of communication bullet points, if you will, if you will, for each person on the, within that team, because you're going to talk differently to a parent than you are to an owner of a team, or you're going to talk differently to a coach than the player or the parents. So really knowing how to, how to talk to those stakeholders is key. And I think everything you just said will kind of help people understand how to have those different conversations with different people. Speaker 4 (19:26): Yeah. And I think there's all the other piece that some of those conversations is really empowering them. So there's the education piece and helping them understand, but there's also the empowerment piece that you may be a physio and you may have this injury prevention knowledge, but you don't have to be there for this to happen. It's just as effective for you to run this program as it is for a coach or a parent to run it. And we have, there's some good data on that that coaches can run really effective injury prevention programs. And so helping them kind of take on that role and say, yeah, no, I, I feel confident in taking my players through this. I feel confident in knowing why we're doing this there. I think that's the second piece too, is that it kind of empowerment piece, and maybe it's a player, maybe it's a captain that, that needs that education or that kind of empowerment as well. Speaker 4 (20:31): I think the generation of players that's growing up now is going to be very different from the generation of players say that you and I played played with we didn't understand or really have much of this. Whereas I think there's some really, there's some kids growing up now who are growing up with some amazing knowledge. And I think also coming with it, hopefully some better strength, some more and more neuromuscular control than maybe we had coming through puberty as well. So I think it's exciting to kind of see where this next generation is going to be, because I think we're going to have some athletes that are just like that more empowered to know more about their body. Maybe have a little bit more control maybe even coming with also potentially better talent who knows, who knows? Yeah. TBD to be determined. So you mentioned a little bit about motor learning. So let's dive into that a little bit because there is new research that includes motor learning, problem solving creative thinking. So what exactly does that mean in relationship to ACL injury? Speaker 2 (21:51): No, we're going to take a quick break to hear from our sponsor and we will be right back net health therapy for private practice as a cloud-based all in one EMR solution for managing your practice. That's right. One piece of software that handles all of your scheduling documentation, billing and reporting needs. Plus lots more and one super easy to use package right now, net health is offering a special deal for healthy, wealthy, and smart listeners completed demo with the net health team and get a hundred dollars towards lunch for your staff visit net health.com/lindsey to get started and get access to free resources for PTs like eBooks on demand, webinars, and business tools. Once again, that's net health.com/l I T Z Y. Speaker 4 (22:38): Yeah. So I think it's a really exciting area. And I think we're really just kind of tipping a little bit of the iceberg. People are starting to pay attention to some of the work that's coming out. And I think it's, it is really exciting and in the kind of prevention realm what we're seeing is people kind of pointing out that the programs that we have, we know we kind of have some principles of motor learning, but the programs in injury prevention that we have haven't really paid much attention to them. So at a very basic level one of the things that has been talked about from a motor learning perspective for a while now is internal versus external cues. So we know that giving an external cube, giving an output outcome focused, Q2 and athlete is going to help them keep that motion kind of more automatic. They're not going to be thinking about like, I need my hip in line with my knee in line with my toe and foot, my knee. Can't go too far over my shoe laces. I need to sit down. Speaker 3 (23:50): That's a lot to think about. Yeah. You can't Speaker 4 (23:52): Play a sport while you're thinking about all those things. Yeah, Speaker 3 (23:55): Yeah, no, no. Speaker 4 (23:58): So when that, if that cue is external or is outcome-based suddenly that athlete's much, much more, much better able to pay attention to the soccer ball that's flying past them or getting ready to, to bat. Speaker 3 (24:13): And can you let's if you wouldn't mind, just so people have a better idea of what an internal versus an external cue is. Can you give an example of, let's say a situation we'll use soccer as the example and give an internal cue and then give an external cue so that people can differentiate. Speaker 4 (24:34): Yeah. Yeah. So maybe, maybe we'll do say we're doing like a single leg squat, similar to what I, what I just said. So an internal cue might be, I want you to keep your hip, your knee and your foot all in one straight line that external cue might be giving them a we'll say a pole that's lined up in front of them and you might not even tell them what they're, what what's going on. Maybe you've got a pole in front of a mirror, so that's poles running vertically and they're, they're they're we, we just set them up so that their foot's in front of that pole and they're doing that single leg squat. So now you've got a visual line in front of them. You're paying their, their attention is going to be on that visual line. As they're doing that single leg squat, suddenly you see that they see that like, if their hips pretty far adducted or their knees collapsing in, you've got a line you can say, focus on that line. I'm going to focus on that line. Got it. That one, it isn't their body. Other cues, maybe like giving analogies I want you to think of your body as a column or that's, that's not a brilliant one. But you know, things like that. So analogies are helpful for external cues. They're also we'll get in, I'll get into that in a, in a sec, cause they're actually another, Speaker 3 (26:10): Go get into it, get into it. Speaker 4 (26:12): So analogies also bring in another piece of motor learning, which is called implicit learning. Again, kind of having that internal picture of what emotion should like should look or what that motion should feel like is implicit learning. So you've got external and internal, external internal cues, but you've also then got kind of implicit learning. So a great example of implicit learning is when you ask, you know, a really athlete to explain what they do on the court or on the pitch. And a lot of times they can't put words to what they do. And that's, that's kind of a good example of maybe implicit learning is they've got, there's no rules set to that learning. There is no order. It's just, I've got this internal knowledge, internal picture internal kind of motor memory of what, what that is. And I just execute that. Speaker 4 (27:11): I don't think about it. And so with those, all of my attention can stay to the game. I'm not thinking about how I'm moving. I'm just, just, just kind of to the game. So pulling those back to prevention are kind of injury prevention programs have said, here's a video or here's a picture. This is good. This is bad. Or they've given kind of implicit our internal cues. So those internal cues are those, keep your knee, your hip and your foot all in one straight line where we may benefit and where we might be able to bolster. Some of those programs is by adding some of these, these motor learning pieces at the very basic level, adding external cues, maybe adding some analogies or some implicit learning. Another, another way you can facilitate implicit learning is through dual tasking. One of my favorite things reading through some of the literature is in studying implicit learning. A few authors have taken novice novice golfers, and these novice golfers have, have to go and put, and while they're putting they basically yellow letters. Speaker 4 (28:35): So you literally just be out there like trying to learn to put you, you don't. I know how to put, you may not even get any directions, but you're just out there kind of yelling some letters, because if you have to generate letters, you can't be entirely focused on that pudding. So there's that aspect actually, of having two tasks going on at once. That means not all your attention can be on one of those tasks. How does that help? How does that help the movement? Yeah, so, so that's a very good question. What it means is, as you're learning, it it's like harder, but yeah, once you get to that kind of point where you're comfortable, you're able to execute that movement. It's an automatic movement, it's unconscious, it's automatic. And when we put that in the context of sport, that means that movement is happening without the athlete thinking about it and their attention remains, remains elsewhere. Their attention can remain on the game, that's going on the ball, that's flying at them. You know, that random thing that just flew by them that wasn't the ball and wasn't part of the game, but could be that perturbation, that in another situation could be distracting enough and could lead to an injury situation. Potentially. Speaker 3 (29:58): Got it, got it. Yeah. Like I, and you and I have had this conversation before, because I have a young athlete and we're doing, trying to do incorporate some of this stuff. So one of the things we're doing is I'm having her do some unpredictability drills with clock yourself, but we're trying to do them in Spanish. So she has to say things in Spanish as she's doing them. So that she's a little do. So she's accomplishing this kind of dual tasking. And, and I will also say it's fun. It's fun for the patients, fun for the therapist. And they kind of understand while they're why they're doing those things. And then every once in a while, just like throw a ball at her and see what happens. Speaker 4 (30:42): And you put this in the context then of some of those injury prevention programs and coach buy-in. So let's put Bali's in with single leg squats, but, but you know, squats and you jump into a header. There's already a little bit of some of that in some of the programs, but the more we can get that ball, some of those technical skills involved mix them potentially in with some of the movements that we're working on, maybe that might help with some of these, this kind of adding in some of this motor learning piece. Now I say all of this, none of this has been tested yet to change any of these programs we're really doing or to kind of, we need to go back and test them. And so, you know, this is where I say this, but it is kind of hypothetical, but in thinking about it, as well as we're kind of trying to overcome some of those barriers, that 10 minutes, that we're not, maybe we're at 10 to 15 minutes where we're trying to convince a coach to do something. Speaker 4 (31:49): Coaches are going to buy in a lot more. If there's a, if they can build some skills into that or they can see the sport reflected in it, rather than it just being kind of this abstract quote unquote injury prevention program. So can we get some of this dual tasking, can we get some of this kind of real world kind of environment type demands and challenges integrated in with some of those pieces that we're trying to build from a neuromuscular standpoint, can we mix them all together and end up with a maybe potentially more beneficial outcome? Speaker 3 (32:26): Yeah. And, you know, as you're saying all of this, it's kind of opening my mind up into these programs as being these living, breathing programs that aren't set in stone and that have the ability to change and morph over time as research continues to evolve. And I think that's really exciting for these programs as well, because you don't want to have these programs be thought of as stale because then that's going to not help with your buy-in. Speaker 4 (32:55): Yep. Yeah. And that's one of the complaints that you sometimes see about some of these programs is all right, so my team's done him for a season. They've all mastered, you know, all my players have mastered this program. They're bored of it now. And the likelihood that every single one of your players has mastered every single one of those exercises is that we'll put that into question, but we'll put that one on the side, but yeah, if you're doing the exact same program, the exact same exercise, every single training session for multiple years, yeah. Your players are going to get bored of it. And so are these, some of the opportunities where we kind of help with that buy in where we make it a little bit more creative, where we help kind of with some of those implementation pieces to make it more interesting to make it more long-term and to, to really help with people wanting to do them. Speaker 3 (33:50): I think it's great. And now we're, we've spoken a little bit about research here and there. So let's talk about any gaps in the research. So, I mean, are there gaps in the research? I feel like, of course, but are these gaps something that can't be overcome? Speaker 4 (34:09): No. All of the gaps that at least dive I'm aware of, and I'm sure there are more I just finished writing a paper alongside Holly and grant the Mark. So Holly silvers and, and Gretta microburst for the journal of orthopedic research. And, and one of the things that we did was kind of go through the literature and identify some of the gaps. Speaker 3 (34:35): What were, what were they, you don't have to say all of them, just give a couple of a couple of the big ones, Speaker 4 (34:42): But one of the big ones is a lot of our literature is focused on women, which is important, but in total numbers, we still have more ACL's happening in men. So we need more research in men. A lot of our research is in soccer and handball. There's a lot of other high-risk sports at there. So there were focused kind of on team sports but there is some pretty high risk team sports, something like net ball play ball volleyball have very high ACL injury numbers, individual sports things like gymnastics and wrestling. And those are also Tufts sports to come back to they're very high impact or they're very MBA. They've got some crazy positions that you don't see. So individual sports, I think have quite lacked outside of skiing. Skiing's got a lot of attention. One of the biggest ones that I think for me is really important is we don't have good reporting of the subjects and the diversity within the research that we've done. Speaker 4 (35:51): So most of the, the research that's been done has been done in the U S some in Canada and in Scandinavia, or at least in Europe as a whole, there's been a few studies that have been in in Africa. But we even within the studies that we have in the us and Europe and Australia, we don't, none of them have reported any of the, like really the, the, the race or ethnicity of the athletes who were part of them. So those may have implications and Tracy Blake did a amazing BJSM blog that was kind of a call to action for researchers. And it's one that I'd love to echo here that we need to be better at reporting our biases looking at our, our subject populations and funding and encouraging studies outside of kind of we'll call it quote, unquote, the global North. I think that's, that's a big gap that we need to fill and we need to be more aware of. Speaker 3 (37:01): Excellent. And on that note, we are going to wrap things up, but what I would like you to do is number one, is there anything that we didn't cover or anything more that you want to add to any of the subjects we covered? Speaker 4 (37:16): Ooh, I know you always ask this question and I always have never prepared for it. Speaker 3 (37:23): Well, you know, cause I don't want to like skirt over something and then the guests at the end is like, I really wanted to say this. And she just ended the interview. Speaker 4 (37:32): Think of it probably right before I go to bed. Probably. Speaker 3 (37:36): I can't think of anything right now. Okay. Speaker 4 (37:39): Excellent. Excellent. For any readers who haven't read Dr. Tracy Blake's BJSM post definitely go check it out. We'll put the link in. Speaker 3 (37:47): Yeah. Yeah. We'll put the link into the show notes here. So you can read her blog app over at BJSM and I agree. It was it was very well written and it was a really nice call to action and or call to awareness. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Right. Maybe not call to action, but certainly a call to awareness, which is step one in the sequence of actionable moves. Definitely. So yes, she's a gym. So now before we wrap things up I'll ask the same question to you that I asked to everyone and knowing where you are now in your life and in your career, what advice would you give to yourself as a new grad? Let's say like not new grad PhD grad, but new Speaker 4 (38:36): Duke grad, new, new grad coming out of Duke PT school. I'm trying to think of what I said the last time I was on. Speaker 3 (38:46): Well, don't say it again. No, I'm just kidding. Speaker 4 (38:48): Well, yeah, that's what I'm worried about saying the same thing again. I think what I said last time, but what is my like big thing is being more gentle on myself. When I came out of PT school, I started work. I was the first new hire new grad that they'd hired. And so I was working alongside some just phenomenal clinicians, but they had the least experience, one head, like 15 years of experience. And I came out of school, unexpected myself to kind of treat and operate on the, kind of the same experience level that they did. And I it's just not possible. So I've spent a lot of time kind of beating myself up. And so it takes a lot of reminding even now that like, I still have, you know, I've graduated in 2011. So I'm coming up on 11 years of experience and it's still not a lot in a lot of ways. So being gentle on myself that I don't have to come up with, you know, everything on the spot that I don't don't necessarily have the experience to know or have seen everything or every course or development. And so being okay with that and being gentle and allowing myself to be, to, to just be where I'm at is, is I think Speaker 3 (40:08): It's wonderful advice. And just think if you thought you did know everything, I mean, how boring number one and number two, you'd never move on for sure. Speaker 4 (40:18): Yeah. Yeah. Right. So Speaker 3 (40:20): You're stuck. You'd be pretty stuck. So giving yourself the space and the kindness to say, Hey, I don't know everything. So I'm going to make it a point to learn more is just good therapy. It's just being a good PT, being a good physio, you know, otherwise you're just stuck in 2011. I mean Speaker 4 (40:41): Gotcha. Yeah. 11 wasn't bad, but I'm glad I'm not stuck there. Speaker 3 (40:45): Yeah. I mean, what a bore, right. You'd be like so boring as a PT cause you would never advance. Speaker 4 (40:51): Yeah. So your ex Speaker 3 (40:54): Excellent advice. And now where can people find you on social media and elsewhere? Speaker 4 (40:59): So I am on Twitter at, at soccer, PT 11 I'm on Instagram at squeaky Edgar. I will note that's actually more personal but follow me anywhere cause you'll get some great, great adventures. And those are my primaries social media. Speaker 3 (41:20): Excellent. And before we hop off, can you talk quickly about basketball, sports, medicine Speaker 4 (41:26): Science? Oh yeah. I forgot to talk about that in my projects. Speaker 3 (41:30): Yeah. Let's talk about this quickly. Yes. So Speaker 4 (41:34): Was honored to be a part of an editorial group that just completed. I just got a book out. It's an ASCA public, a publication on basketball, sports medicine and rehabilitation. So it's a quite the book. But I say that because it is over over 1100 pages if I remember correctly. So it's, it's a, it's a, it's a chunk of a book. But we are, I've got an extra copy of it. So one of our allowed visitors really be getting a copy. Okay. Speaker 3 (42:15): Well Amy, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate your time. Speaker 4 (42:19): Thank you so much for having me. It's always fun. Speaker 3 (42:21): Everyone else. Thank you for listening. Have a great couple, have a great week and stay healthy, wealthy and smart. Speaker 2 (42:28): A big thank you to Dr. Amy Erindale for coming on the podcast today. And of course a big thank you to net health. Again, they have created net health for private, for net health therapy for private practice, which is a cloud-based all in one EMR solution for managing your practice. One piece of software that handles scheduling documentation, billing reporting needs. Plus a lot more. If you want to check it out, there's a special deal for healthy, wealthy and smart listeners. Complete a demo with the net health team and get a hundred dollars toward lunch for your staff. Visit net health.com/glitzy to get started again. That's net health.com/l I T Z. Speaker 3 (43:09): Why thank you for listening and please subscribe to the podcast at podcast dot healthy, wealthy, smart.com. And don't forget to follow us on social media.  

So Holly has had a fun birthday week as both her kids have had car issues during the SAME week!  What do you do with your teenagers when they get behind that car?  How do we teach them the big R = responsibility? Meanwhile, what companies do you like best for sticker kits?  Holly is … Continue reading EP 60 – Teenagers and Their Cars →

Dan interviews Holly Clark to discuss how you can use visible thinking routines to help your students develop their skills required to become lifelong learners. You can find out more about Holly Clark and her resources by clicking the image below.Visible Thinking with Holly Clark is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License. Produced and Transcribed by Brad Keyes at Podgee.io.Join the Facebook CommunityTranscriptDan: [00:00:00] Hi everyone, and welcome to the effective teaching podcast. Today. I have my very good friend Holly Clark with me. So Holly, can you tell all of the listeners here in Australia a bit about yourself, who you are, and what you are currently doing over there in America?Introducing Holly Clark?Holly Clark: [00:00:15] So I am a lifelong teacher, but recently I have really started to travel around the world. I've been to Sydney quite a few times. I think something like, five to 10 I don't know. But talking about infused classroom and how we can infuse classroom with really strong pedagogy, and then we, we look at pedagogy and then how we can use the tools of technology to amplify that. And so really looking at students in our classrooms.[00:00:42] So right now that's what I've been traveling around helping schools do. And it's been so much fun because the tweaks we're making are working and that's the best part of it all. Dan: [00:00:52] That's always good to have what you say actually work, isn't it? When you're giving advice to people, particularly when you're traveling out of various contexts, I think it's really difficult because you know, I know as a teacher that you want to make sure that everything that you do is catered for your students.[00:01:06] And if you have someone you know from from America, for example, coming to Sydney to provide some advice. They used to be contextualized and relevant for us here still, and generally, a lot of things are in education, but, it's good to hear that it's working everywhere.Creating Lifelong Learners[00:01:20] So can you just tell me a little bit, Holly, about what strategies you see really helped you to create lifelong learners in our classrooms? Holly Clark: [00:01:28] So it kind of goes along with the tweak that I'm talking about. So one of the things that I've noticed that works is when we try to get students to make their thinking visible.[00:01:38] And when they do that, a lot of times I'm asking them to speak and articulate their thinking. So for example, let's say they're learning something in math, they might go on to flip grade and really talk about how they went through the process to solve that math problem, or maybe they're using, and if we're infusing in this instance, maybe they're using Seesaw or some tool that allows them to talk through their learning process and how this affects lifelong learning, in my opinion, is now we're letting kids talk and they're becoming more articulate, and these are the same kind of skills they're going to need in a job interview.[00:02:13] So often in schools we do a lot of writing a lot of things that are based around pencil and paper sometimes, and we don't give kids that opportunity to become articulate and that's what they're going to need to sell something, to get that job, to do the things that they need to do, to be really lifelong, successful, and also understand themselves as learners and how they learn so that they can apply that when they want to become the lifelong learner and understand their own curiosity and how it is that they can quench that curiosity. [00:02:51] As an example. I'm just going to use my own life. I've learned later in life that as I need to listen to books. I can't read them. I don't have the time to be walking and reading, and I'm traveling through airports. So if I could listen to books,

Dan interviews Holly Clark to discuss how you can use visible thinking routines to help your students develop their skills required to become lifelong learners. You can find out more about Holly Clark and her resources by clicking the image below. Visible Thinking with Holly Clark is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License. Produced and Transcribed by Brad Keyes at Podgee.io. Transcript Dan: [00:00:00] Hi everyone, and welcome to the effective teaching podcast. Today. I have my very good friend Holly Clark with me. So Holly, can you tell all of the listeners here in Australia a bit about yourself, who you are, and what you are currently doing over there in America? Introducing Holly Clark? Holly Clark: [00:00:15] So I am a lifelong teacher, but recently I have really started to travel around the world. I've been to Sydney quite a few times. I think something like, five to 10 I don't know. But talking about infused classroom and how we can infuse classroom with really strong pedagogy, and then we, we look at pedagogy and then how we can use the tools of technology to amplify that. And so really looking at students in our classrooms. [00:00:42] So right now that's what I've been traveling around helping schools do. And it's been so much fun because the tweaks we're making are working and that's the best part of it all.  Dan: [00:00:52] That's always good to have what you say actually work, isn't it? When you're giving advice to people, particularly when you're traveling out of various contexts, I think it's really difficult because you know, I know as a teacher that you want to make sure that everything that you do is catered for your students. [00:01:06] And if you have someone you know from from America, for example, coming to Sydney to provide some advice. They used to be contextualized and relevant for us here still, and generally, a lot of things are in education, but, it's good to hear that it's working everywhere. Creating Lifelong Learners [00:01:20] So can you just tell me a little bit, Holly, about what strategies you see really helped you to create lifelong learners in our classrooms?  Holly Clark: [00:01:28] So it kind of goes along with the tweak that I'm talking about. So one of the things that I've noticed that works is when we try to get students to make their thinking visible. [00:01:38] And when they do that, a lot of times I'm asking them to speak and articulate their thinking. So for example, let's say they're learning something in math, they might go on to flip grade and really talk about how they went through the process to solve that math problem, or maybe they're using, and if we're infusing in this instance, maybe they're using Seesaw or some tool that allows them to talk through their learning process and how this affects lifelong learning, in my opinion, is now we're letting kids talk and they're becoming more articulate, and these are the same kind of skills they're going to need in a job interview. [00:02:13] So often in schools we do a lot of writing a lot of things that are based around pencil and paper sometimes, and we don't give kids that opportunity to become articulate and that's what they're going to need to sell something, to get that job, to do the things that they need to do, to be really lifelong, successful, and also understand themselves as learners and how they learn so that they can apply that when they want to become the lifelong learner and understand their own curiosity and how it is that they can quench that curiosity.  [00:02:51] As an example. I'm just going to use my own life. I've learned later in life that as I need to listen to books. I can't read them. I don't have the time to be walking and reading, and I'm traveling through airports. So if I could listen to books, I get so much more accomplished. So that's like a lifelong learning skill that I would like to dev...

Haunted objects, a spirit of a serial killer, and a hotel so haunted it's guest book has been deemed "The Book of the Dead" - these are the tales of tonight's campfire. Warning: Tonight’s Campfire episode is a cautionary tale. Stories from people who continually search for answers that might shed light on the eternal question - are ghosts real? Come join the Night Owl by the fire and let’s get transported to three haunted sites, each with its own haunted history. One such place is Zach Bagans' Haunted Museum in Las Vegas, a place filled with supposed haunted objects and a sign posted to warn people of the dangers of entering such a haunted space. Another site is the Historic Jefferson Hotel in Jefferson, Texas, where guest encounters are so common they’ve created a guest log full of personal experiences the staff refer to as “The Book of the Dead". And lastly, the Magnolia Hotel in Seguin TX is place with so much history and haunts the current owner has stated she loves it when people say, "If only these walls could talk, here at the Magnolia…they do.” Cozy up, grab a cup of coffee or a glass of whiskey, and join us by the fire. VACANCY A couple years ago Holly and two of her friends decided to celebrate her birthday by traveling from Austin to Shreveport to hit up a casino for the first time. But on the way there, they discovered there was a hotel in Jefferson, Texas that was reputedly haunted. So Holly and her friends decided, let’s get a room. And There were plenty available at this historic hotel nestled on a small side street of this Texas ghost town. Holly didn’t know it, but she was about to get the scariest birthday present of her life. THE WARNING Alyssa Onyx is a gothic fashionista and gothic home decor/designer currently living in Austin Texas. She has been connected to, and interested in, the paranormal since the age of 2. But one late July night in a 170 year old hotel, Alyssa found that what started out fun, quickly turned horrific when she encountered the spirit of a notorious Texas serial killer within the walls of the Magnolia Hotel in Seguin, Texas. STOWAWAYS From cemetery tours under the light of a full moon to visiting multiple haunted locations by limo hearse, Jennifer's interest in the paranormal has taken her to numerous haunted locations.  But when she and friend planned a trip to Vegas, and decided to visit Zak Bagans' Haunted Museum, she could never have predicted what would result from entering a building with so many haunted objects. She's spent her life pursuing the paranormal, but it never crossed her mind in her quest,  one day, something might pursue her.

You are listening to episode 20 with Holly Brunnbauer from Motherhood Melbourne and Facing Motherhood.I’m super excited to bring you this week’s episode with the beautiful Holly. I feel like I say this every episode but I honestly took so much away from this episode and I know you are going to as well.So Holly is one of those people who is just wildly productive. She is chief mama at Motherhood Melbourne a warm and supportive community of Mamas living in my home town of Melbourne, She is the Co-Founder of Facing Motherhood a skincare range for Mums and she is also a wife and Mum of two little boys. To top it all off Holly manages to squeeze all her work into two days a week!So how does she do it all?We also discuss:- How Holly doesn’t believe in balance but in the business/family blend- Community building, the importance of building trust and providing content that adds value and is consistent- How she has had to push through her fears around showing up and how being visible has helped her businesses- Pre-lauching – how Holly has conducted successful pre-launches for both her businesses- How Holly feels about her eldest son starting school next yearSo let’s get on with the show!You can find Holly at www.motherhoodmelbourne.com.au and www.facingmotherhood.com.au and on socials @motherhoodmelbourne and @facingmotherhood.

The influencers of Byron Bay have come under global scrutiny after a Vanity Fair piece painted the lives of the town’s “Murfers” or Mum Surfers in a less than friendly light.  Britain has a new Prime Minister and Donald Trump loves him. So Holly explains just how a posh mop-haired conservative made it to the top job. Plus The Final Quarter documentary profiling the racism and bigotry hurled at AFL star and Australian of the Year Adam Goodes has everyone talking. So how can we use this moment to grow as a country, and figure out a way to talk about racism? You can buy tickets to see us live at mamamia.com.au/events and it's all thanks to our partners, Toyota Kluger…. TOUR DATES Melbourne - Malthouse Theatre Thursday 25th July Hobart - Theatre Royal Wednesday 31st July Brisbane - Brisbane Powerhouse Thursday 8th August Perth - Heath Ledger Theatre (State Theatre Centre) Thursday 22nd August Darwin - Studio Theatre (Darwin Entertainment Centre) Thursday 29th August Adelaide - Norwood Concert Hall Wednesday 4th September Cairns - Tanks Arts Centre Wednesday 25th September Orange - Orange Civic Theatre Wednesday 16th October Geelong - GPAC Wednesday 30th October Sydney - Seymour Centre Friday 1st November Subscribe to Mamamia Out Loud here:https://omny.fm/shows/mamamia-out-loud/playlists/podcast  END BITS Hosts: Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright Producers: Elise Cooper and Elissa Ratliff COME TALK TO US Join the Out Louders Facebook group GET IN TOUCH Call the PodPhone on 02 8999 9386. Email the show at outloud@mamamia.com.au.  Mamamia Out Loud is a podcast by Mamamia. Find more shows here.

Planning your family holiday can take forever. So Holly and Andrew speak to Personal Travel Manager Carli Hester, to find out the best places to take the kids and how to start planning. Plus, if you've dreamt about packing your life up and going on an endless holiday with your family, you're probably not alone. Rachael and Joel Cooper did exactly that and now run their business 'Frank and Dolly' from overseas. But how did they decide to do it and how have they kept their business successful and raised their young kids? CONTACT US Your hosts are Holly Wainwright and Andrew Daddo This podcast was produced by Luca Lavigne , Rachael Hart  With special thanks to Carli Hester and Joel and Rach Cooper.  You can keep up to date with Joel and Rach here; https://frankanddollys.com/blog/ And you can contact Carli here; https://www.travelmanagers.com.au/ptm/carlihester/ This Glorious Mess is a podcast by Mamamia. Explore more Mamamia podcasts: https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts This episode of This Glorious Mess - Travel is brought to you by the Emirates Department of Family Travel - You can find out more here; https://www.emirates.com/au/deptfamilytravel See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Married At First Sight is back this week, and on Thursday night it got Jessie thinking (you can read her specific thoughts here) about whether there was a right or a wrong way to have a conversation with a partner. Because it seems that in every relationship, there’s a person who wants to moan and a person who wants to offer solutions. So should a conversation have a goal? Plus, Mia feels silly because she missed one of the biggest news stories in Australia right now. So Holly and Jessie are here to explain what is going on with the Darling River and the millions of dead fish floating in it.  And the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, one of the most generous employers in America, has just announced that it is cutting paid parental leave from a year to six months, so is a year with a baby really not what a mother needs? Recommendations  Mia: Sex Education on Netflix Holly: Killing Eve on SBS Jessie: Napolean Perdis China Doll Eyeliner  END BITS Hosts: Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. Producers: Elissa Ratliff  COME TALK TO US Join the Out Louders Facebook group GET IN TOUCH: Call the PodPhone on 02 8999 9386. Email the show at outloud@mamamia.com.au Find any book mentioned at apple.co/mamamia Mamamia Out Loud is a podcast by Mamamia. Find more shows here.

I've got a fantastic female entrepreneur on the show today, Holly Johnson. She's a blogger extraordinaire, co-founder of 2 websites: a personal finance blog, Club Thrifty, and a frugal travel blog, Travel Blue book. Which, both have become so successful, guess what? Her husband just joined her and quit his 9 to 5 to join her and build this online empire - Gregg is her husband - and build her online empire. Holly is also a staff writer at Get Rich Slowly, The Frugal Dollar, The Frugal Travel Guy, and U.S News and World Report. Her work has been featured everywhere: the Wall Street Journal, Fox, Forbes, Lifehacker, Yahoo, on, and on, and on. Now Holly's journey started after realizing that even though together as couple, Holly and Greg her husband, even though that together they were making good money, they weren't really saving enough to have the lifestyle they really, really wanted. And I think that's something that a lot of us can relate to. You make money, you spend it, you have the things that you want but there's still more that you wish you had - not more in a sense of stuff, but you have a future to build and you wanna be able to feel confident that you're gonna be able to retire well, send your kids to school, buy that home that you want, and so how do you get there? So Holly and Greg started tracking their spending, and as a result Club Thrifty, that first blog, was born. To not only encourage themselves, but others as they say, "Stop spending, and start living". It was this little side hustle that eventually turned into an incredibly profitable source of income for them and as I said, it's allowed Greg to quit his job and focus on the business as well. 3 Takeaways from our interview with Holly: Why she thinks that couples should have one again, just one, shared account - and I happen to disagree. One key and simple detail to have on your personal blog for all you bloggers out there, that can help you make money. And Her top advice for landing online, writing opportunities. If you're interested in getting some side income from freelance writing, you'll wanna hear what she has to say.