Four Years Later

Everyone talks about the freedom of being your own boss, but no one prepares you for the loneliness, sacrifice, and self-doubt that comes with building your dream from scratch. Deborah is a licensed esthetician with over 20 years of experience. She has two spas and a sugar manufacturing company, but it didn't come easy or quick. This week, she takes us on the emotional rollercoaster of building her sugaring empire from nothing. She shares how her business was suddenly stolen from her with NO notice, how she rebuilt and pivoted during COVID, and what it's really like working with celebrity clients. We also dive into who she was before becoming the “Sugar Mama,” and who she's learning to be beyond it.SHE CRIED, we laughed—you don't want to miss this one! For ALL your skincare needs, check out Sugar Mama: Instagram@theskindenbysugarmama@sugarmamaproWebsitehttps://skindenbysugarmama.com/

What happens after you achieve the impossible?   This week, we have an OLYMPIC SWIMMER Jamie Yeung (so yeah, she knows a thing or two about dreaming big), joining us to talk about:  Her journey from high school swim team to Division 1 swimming at the University of Michigan The road to qualifying for the OlympicsWhat it's really like inside the Olympic VillageWomen vs men in sports and why female athletes still have to be “exceptional” to be seenFinding your identity and purpose after the world stageThis is a conversation about dreams, discipline, identity, and reinvention—so join us, whether you're an athlete or just a woman trying to figure out her next chapter!  

***This episode is bilingual , video has English translation*** This is for EVERY woman who's ambitious but tired, capable but unsure, driven but also terrified to start. Some people know her as a chairwoman. Some know her as an artist. But I know her as ‘Mom.'In this episode, my mom shares her journey from being a housewife to becoming the chairwoman of a major international charity (HKTNWA). Raised in a traditional Asian household to becoming a woman who leads, this episode is about what it means to build a life that's both grounded in tradition and boldly your own.Mama Shiao also gives dating advice on what it means to be mysterious, rules of dating and  what she really thinks about moving in with your S.O. So if you've ever felt like you need to have your entire life figured out by your 20s or 30s - this episode gives US permission to breathe. Episode resources More on HKTNWAMore on period poverty

How do you say no without guilt? How do you set boundaries without pushing people away? How do you stop overcommitting just to avoid disappointing others?In this episode, Sami reveals her motto in life: PYP, why boundaries feel so difficult to set, how to say no (thank you) in different situations, and how to prioritize yourself without guilt. From friendships to relationships, she's spilling the tea on all of it and you don't want to miss out! 

The tea is spilling over! I brought two of my very close MBA friends to share more intern-at-28 stories. We're getting real about career expectations and comparing ourselves to others. PLUS, I really put them to the test as we play a game to test whether money really buys happiness - will they choose financial stability over creative passion? And of course, we're spilling the MBA tea—was it worth it, what surprised us, and why does it sometimes feel like high school all over again?

What does it really take to build a successful career in media and entertainment? Annie, the Director of Integrated Media Strategy joins me to spill the tea on navigating the corporate world and making bold career moves. Growing up with Chinese immigrant parents who ran a restaurant, Annie learned early on how to take risks and make big decisions, independently. She's taken this mentality and applied it to building a career in media. Annie opens up about the reality of working in entertainment, the challenges of advocating for bold ideas, and how she balances ambition with her personal life.

At 28, I was an intern. My manager's manager—also 28—was already a Director of Marketing. Now, she's the VP of Marketing and Network at a major creative agency. In this episode, we talk about divine timing—how sometimes, the setbacks, and unexpected pivots are EXACTLY what's get you where you're meant to be. We get into the realities of working in the creative industry, and what happens when you turn your passion into your full-time job.PLUS!!! find out how Iona learned metaphors... lets just say "Don't take my heart and put it on a shelf." (iykyk)

If you've ever felt like you're falling behind, questioning your life or career decisions, still trying to find your “passion”, or just wondering how everyone else seems to have itall figured out—this episode is for you. I'm backkkkk! Just a 28 year old small potato stumbling through a quarter life crisis, trying to figure out where I fit. Come join me as I talk about being an intern at 28 and figuring out what the next chapter of my career looks like. 

If it always feels like you never have time to fully commit to your biggest priorities in life, we are right there with you. This week, Janice and Emily talk about their struggles trying to simultaneously maintain their relationships with friends and family, growing their careers and actively participating in their hobbies. What are your biggest priorities in life and how do you balance them? 0:00 What is the impossible triangle?? 4:59 Reminiscing on the structure of being in undergrad 8:43 Balancing work, relationships, hobbies is hard 16:11 How do you fit in "me" time? 21:40 The guilt of not constantly prioritizing your family

You asked and we delivered!! “Kitchen Sink” is an UNfiltered and UNstructured series where Emily and Janice catch-up about everything and nothing. Anything goes, so tune in at your own risk! This week, the girls get vulnerable and talk about feeling trapped by societal expectations and the consequences of deviating from the norm. Through stories spanning from buying a new home to high school college acceptance gossip, Emily and Janice discuss the impact of the fear of being wrong on personal growth and success, and how they're (working on) embracing mistakes as valuable learning opportunities!! 0:00 we're back and we missed you!! :,) 7:03 loneliness during life's big milestones 14:30 it's scary NOT knowing what comes next 20:02 the fear of being wrong is paralyzing 27:21 the voices in my head are LOUD 32:34 how to stop caring about what other people think 37:29 there's no time for feeling judgement after failure

We couldn't be more excited to kick off #aapiheritagemonth by sharing this episode featuring our podcast inspo and friend - Hana from Bulgogi Podcast!!! From our very first hang out, we realized the different stages of dating we were each in. In this episode, we kick off single girl summer by swapping past dating stories, revealing: the behind the scenes dating process after a match is made how to initiate the first moves with a boy whether a first kiss or hand holding is more intimate and more tips and tricks to navigate the first few dates. 0:00 Introducing Hana!!! 4:25 He asked for my number at BCD?!?!? + Forming a task force to perform a "screening process" for a date ;) 11:50 Things you MUST do before a first date 16:00 Do you "nickname" the boy on the first few dates and why we do it? 18:20 Hana's "scrapbook" of dates and meeting people that reveal your own strengths to you 27:00 Do you like the attention or do you actually like him? 31:30 Kicking off our single girl summer and how to initiate the first moves 35:10 Dating ick stories 43:30 What feels more intimate: kissing or hand holding? 51:10 Can you tell if you like someone based on a first kiss? + and more!!!!! ♥ Hosts Emily & Janice   ♥ Follow us ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠TikTok⁠  ♥ Listen ⁠All platforms⁠  ♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by ⁠Devin Bennett⁠  ♥ Music Jingle produced by ⁠Barry Tan

We are SO excited to share this episode featuring one of our favorite creators, Corporate Natalie!!! We've been following Natalie since the pandemic and if you haven't heard of her yet, Natalie uses lighthearted humor to poke fun at corporate culture to her nearly 1M followers across TikTok and Instagram. Join us as Natalie dives deep into her personal journey as a content creator, sharing her successes, challenges, and key lessons learned along the way. We talk about how to find balance as a creator and business woman, Natalie's INSANE celebrity meetings as a content creator (think Justin Bieber and Drake), and imposter's syndrome as in ANY role and ANY industry. If you don't already, follow Natalie @CorporateNatalie on TikTok and Instagram! 0:00 Introducing Natalie!!! 4:04 Partying with Justin Bieber and Drake?!? 6:20 How Natalie combats insecurities in the influencer world 10:37 The best way to fight burnout 13:22 Loving the business side of content creation ♥ Hosts Emily & Janice   ♥ Follow us ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠TikTok⁠  ♥ Listen ⁠All platforms⁠  ♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by ⁠Devin Bennett⁠  ♥ Music Jingle produced by ⁠Barry Tan

This week Emily and Janice share their experiences with long distance relationships. When do they work? Where did they go wrong? Does the success of long distance relationships depend on your love language? Tune in to find out!!! 0:00 Wishing we matched for Match Day :/ 3:28 Why I decided to get into a LDR 10:24 LDR prolonged my relationship 14:45 Living a double life in my LDR 21:18 The only way a LDR can work is... 27:26 Why I wouldn't do a LDR again 37:38 Did your love language change after being in an LDR? 41:43 Do long distance relationships work?? Our verdict! ♥ Hosts Emily & Janice   ♥ Follow us ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠TikTok⁠  ♥ Listen ⁠All platforms⁠  ♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by ⁠Devin Bennett⁠  ♥ Music Jingle produced by ⁠Barry Tan

You asked and we delivered!! “Kitchen Sink” is an UNfiltered and UNstructured series where Emily and Janice catch-up about everything and nothing. Anything goes, so tune in at your own risk! 0:00 In our Eras era!!! 3:37 I got BIT by a dog?? 17:38 Connecting with my late parents in Hawaii 28:47 Tarot Card TikTok is manifesting my love life?? + more! ♥ Hosts Emily & Janice   ♥ Follow us ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠TikTok⁠  ♥ Listen ⁠All platforms⁠  ♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by ⁠Devin Bennett⁠  ♥ Music Jingle produced by ⁠Barry Tan

This week, Emily and Janice reveal some of their deepest insecurities and how they struggle and deal with comparisons. Whether we compare ourselves to Instagram models, influencers or even to each other, we all face it alone, mostly. We're never short of things to compare ourselves and the girls have A LOT to share, so this episode has been split into two parts! We'd love to hear how you may deal with comparing yourself to others. 0:00 Should I get botox?? 8:53 How we combat insecure thoughts 14:25 You don't notice someone else's insecurities 18:23 How women take control of their insecurities 26:01 I'm the "ugly" friend 29:02 Comparing my social life with my friends 36:06 Saying NO to hang outs with no value add 40:54 Why do we seek external validation?? ♥ Hosts Emily & Janice   ♥ Follow us ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠TikTok⁠  ♥ Listen ⁠All platforms⁠  ♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by ⁠Devin Bennett⁠  ♥ Music Jingle produced by ⁠Barry Tan

This week, Emily and Janice reveal some of their deepest insecurities and how they struggle and deal with comparisons. Whether we compare ourselves to Instagram models, influencers or even to each other, we all face it alone, mostly. We're never short of things to compare ourselves and the girls have A LOT to share, so this episode has been split into two parts! We'd love to hear how you may deal with comparing yourself to others. 0:00 My body image insecurity ~triggered~ 11:00 What helps us through these physical insecurities 18:19 Where does my body insecurity stem from? 20:15 Hollywood's newest get-skinny-quick drug ♥ Hosts Emily & Janice ♥ Follow us Instagram TikTok ♥ Listen All platforms ♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by Devin Bennett ♥ Music Jingle produced by Barry Tan

Dear Four Years Later fam, You're about to hear how and why Janice lost her job. As they process the situation, on- air for the first time, Emily shares her past unemployment experiences and helps Janice navigate her initial emotions and thoughts. This episode is extremely close to our hearts and was difficult to film because it involved so much vulnerability. We hope this helps anyone who might be going through a similar situation with the current tech layoffs. As always, we are eternally grateful for your support. Love, Janice & Emily 0:00 Why I lost my job 9:27 What do I do now? 16:40 Finding growth in unemployment 20:50 What are people going to say about me? 30:48 Working to live or living to work? ♥ Hosts Emily & Janice ♥ Follow us Instagram TikTok ♥ Listen All platforms ♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by Devin Bennett ♥ Music Jingle produced by Barry Tan

You asked and we delivered!! “Kitchen Sink” is an UNfiltered and UNstructured series where Emily and Janice catch-up about everything and nothing. Anything goes, so tune in at your own risk! 0:00 The BEST surprise proposal!! 19:05 The unglamorous side of getting engaged 24:37 Meeting the LOML at the airport?? 36:55 Accidentally liking his IG pic... 41:47 I finally blocked him 49:07 Matchmaking gone wrong 53:49 Singles Inferno S2 reaction 59:38 Playing "corporate games" + and more! ♥ Hosts Emily & Janice ♥ Follow us Instagram TikTok ♥ Listen All platforms ♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by Devin Bennett ♥ Music Jingle produced by Barry Tan

If you are Asian American, type A, highly organized and crave control in your life… how's the line-up looking for your next festival??? This week, Emily and Janice talk about the trials and tribulations of being the oldest daughter in an Asian household and the potential pipeline to raving. Stream this week's episode as they dive into everything from sibling dynamics to falling in love at a rave!♥ HostsEmily & Janice♥ Follow usInstagram TikTok ♥ Listen All platforms♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by Devin Bennett ♥ MusicJingle produced by Barry Tan

You asked and we delivered!! Introducing the “Kitchen Sink,” an UNfiltered and UNstructured series where Emily and Janice catch-up about everything and nothing. Anything goes, so tune in at your own risk! This week:0:00 Seeing your ex move on16:15 Should you block your ex? 18:47 You're the rule, not the exception 20:39 First date “jitters”29:18 Am I going to be alone forever?? 30:18  Should you date outside your “type”? +more! ♥ HostsEmily & Janice♥ Follow usInstagram TikTok ♥ Listen All platforms♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by Devin Bennett ♥ MusicJingle produced by Barry Tan

Are you told you're too “clingy”? Cry when your boyfriend drops you off after a date?? Then you MIGHT just have the same attachment style as Emily and Janice! If not, there's still an attachment style for you!! This week, the girls dive into the three main attachment styles as defined in "Attached" by Dr. Amir Levine and Rachel Heller: Secure, Anxious and Avoidant. Stream to hear more on how you can have different attachment styles for the different people in your life.♥ HostsEmily & Janice♥ Follow usInstagram TikTok ♥ Listen All platforms♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by Devin Bennett ♥ MusicJingle produced by Barry Tan

You asked and we delivered!! Introducing the “Kitchen Sink,” an UNfiltered and UNstructured series where Emily and Janice catch-up about everything and nothing. Anything goes, so tune in at your own risk! This week: 0:00 Crazy college encounters 6:00 Hating your ex to get over him (??) 13:12 Seeing your ex move on 20:38 “The man I ACTUALLY want” list26:50  Halloweekend and Sticky bras/ removable pads38:00 Feeling underpaid and under appreciated +more! ♥ HostsEmily & Janice♥ Follow usInstagram TikTok ♥ Listen All platforms♥ Graphics Special effects, graphic design and branding by Devin Bennett ♥ MusicJingle produced by Barry Tan

Let's address one of our most asked questions in our comments section: do we ONLY date white guys?? And more broadly, why do we see so many Asian women and white men coupled up?  Tune in this week to hear Emily and Janice explore this phenomenon and their unique dating experiences as Asian women. 

It's our BIRTHDAY EPISODE!!! And while no gifts are required (we won't turn down an Aritzia gift card though), you might want to bring some tissues. As Emily and Janice celebrate another trip around the sun, they explore their experiences grieving both permanent and non-permanent loss, as well as reveal their EXTREMELY controversial sun, moon, and rising signs! 

It's been tough lately for these corporate gals. Tune in as Emily and Janice share their experiences of overthinking at work, tackling office politics, and how they approach conversations surrounding performance reviews, promotions and raises.

Emily and Janice invite their college friend Seth, the FIRST (of many) guests, to tackle the tough BUT NECESSARY topic: insecurities. In this week's episode, the three of them discuss some of their current insecurities including body image, acne, height and imposter syndrome. They also share how they've overcome some of their past insecurities. Make sure to stay tuned until the end for a special surprise! 

Whatever your worst period story is, Janice has probably had it worse. Tune in to this week's episode where Emily and Janice comment on their current period struggles, period horror stories of the past and the community that the infamous “time of the month” can foster among women. 

Emily and Janice have spent a whole season getting to know each other on a deeper level, but this episode they answer some more fun questions. From first kisses, first impressions of each other and relatable bathroom situations, they learn shocking new things about one another.

This week, Emily and Janice discuss how they've been balancing time alone with family time, and understanding the different types of loyalty between friends and boyfriends. 

Talking about money is never easy. Emily and Janice share their strategies and experiences on a controversial topic: should the guy pay on dates? The conversation then stretches from the roots of their beliefs to the classic battle for the bill amongst extended families and salary transparency in relationships. 

Emily and Janice share their unique experiences growing up Asian American both abroad and in the states. Can you relate to some of the guilt, embarrassment and surprising stories that come from exploring the line between being Asian and being Asian American?

Emily and Janice share their ongoing struggles in understanding the fine line between loneliness and independence, along with tips on how they have learned to embrace alone time.

It's their very first fight! Emily and Janice share details of their first confrontation and how they've dealt with conflicts with others in the past.  

Emily and Janice recount their dating horror stories, from worst first date “souvenirs” to a sterile sleepover situation. 

Continuing on with the theme of firsts, Emily and Janice discuss their first long term relationships, memorable first dates and thoughts on losing yourself in a relationship.  

The first episode is all about firsts, starting with…careers! Emily and Janice talk about Four Years Later's origin story and the rude awakening of adulthood after graduating.