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    Amplify Your Success
    Episode 484: Why Unhealed Betrayal Can Keep You Stuck Without Realizing It with Dr Debi Silber

    Amplify Your Success

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 30, 2026 43:50


    When something breaks your trust, you expect it to hurt. What you may not expect is how long it quietly shapes your decisions, your confidence, and even your willingness to be visible. In Episode 484 of Amplify Your Success Podcast, I talk with Dr. Debi Silber about the hidden impact of unhealed betrayal and how it can influence your business without you even realizing it. Betrayal doesn't just stay in the moment it happened. It can show up in how you trust others, how you show up in opportunities, and how safe it feels to grow. Dr. Debi shares why betrayal is a unique kind of experience that affects more than just your emotions. It can influence your health, your relationships, and your ability to fully step into your work. We also talk about how easy it is to dismiss or minimize these experiences, even when they are shaping your results behind the scenes. If you've ever felt stuck, hesitant, or unsure of yourself without a clear reason why, this conversation will help you recognize what may be underneath it and what it really takes to move forward.   Key Takeaways: [00:00] Why betrayal creates a deeper disruption than most experiences and how it impacts trust and self-perception. [03:45] How unhealed betrayal shows up in business through confidence, visibility, and decision-making. [06:23] The connection between betrayal and loss of trust, and why it affects collaboration and growth. [12:13] The three discoveries behind betrayal recovery and why it requires a different approach. [16:55] What post-betrayal syndrome is and how it impacts your mental, emotional, and physical state. [23:59] The five stages of healing and where most people get stuck without realizing it. [24:23] Why "being fine" can actually be a sign you're still in survival mode. [27:53] What it looks like to move into a new normal and begin rebuilding trust with yourself. [30:58] How unhealed betrayal can limit visibility, growth, and leadership capacity. [36:26] Practical ways to recognize if betrayal is affecting your work, relationships, or health.   About The Guest:  Dr. Debi Silber, Founder and CEO of The PBT (Post Betrayal Transformation) Institute and National Forgiveness Day, is an award-winning speaker and 2-time #1 International bestselling author. Her podcast, From Betrayal to Breakthrough, ranks in the top 1.5% globally. Her groundbreaking PhD study revealed 3 discoveries that completely revolutionized our understanding of betrayal—and how to achieve full healing physically, mentally, and emotionally. Creator of the world's #1 betrayal recovery certification for life, business, health, and leadership coaches, Dr. Debi equips practitioners globally with her evidence-based framework so they can deliver exponentially better results with their existing clients. Featured on FOX, CBS, The Dr. Oz Show, and TEDx (twice), she equips practitioners with the missing framework-helping them move from uncertainty to confidence, from using general tools that keep clients stuck to specialized approaches that create genuine transformation.   Connect With The Guest:  Connect with Dr. Debi on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/debisilber/ Follow Dr. Debi on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/debisilber Watch Dr. Debi on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/debisilber   Connect with Dr. Debi on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/InspireEmpowerTransform  Follow Dr. Debi on TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@debisilber  Listen To Dr.Debi's From Betrayal to Breakthrough Podcast - https://thepbtinstitute.com/podcast   Resources Mentioned in This Episode:  Get Dr. Debi's new book, Unstuck: https://thepbtinstitute.com/unstuck/  FREE GUIDE & SCORECARD: Feel like the best-kept secret? My proven Un-Ignorable Expert Framework is your step-by-step guide to turning your expertise into consistent, high-value client attraction by borrowing authority-rich visibility streams.

    The Tara Show
    “Midnight Betrayal? GOP Rift Explodes Over ICE Defunding Fight”

    The Tara Show

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 30, 2026 6:49


    A late-night Senate move sparks outrage inside the Republican Party—accusations of betrayal, backroom deals, and a fight over border security funding. Did GOP leadership just hand Democrats a political win? EPISODE SUMMARY: A political firestorm is erupting in Washington after a controversial overnight Senate maneuver involving John Thune and Chuck Schumer. The move, which critics say effectively stripped additional funding from border enforcement agencies like ICE and Customs and Border Protection, has triggered backlash—especially among House Republicans. At the center of the controversy: a spending package passed in the early morning hours without coordination with House leadership, including Mike Johnson. Critics argue the strategy was designed to shift blame for a potential government shutdown onto House Republicans, while shielding Senate Democrats politically. While core funding for the Department of Homeland Security remains intact through 2029, this dispute centers on billions in supplemental funding—resources that support expanded enforcement operations, logistics, and infrastructure. House GOP leaders, including Tom Emmer, are calling the move dangerous and unprecedented, warning it could set a long-term precedent for dismantling key components of federal agencies through piecemeal funding cuts. Meanwhile, the broader debate exposes a deep divide within the Republican Party itself—between those pushing aggressive border enforcement and others accused of quietly aligning with more open-border policies. This episode unpacks: What really happened in the Senate overnight Why House Republicans are furious The difference between “core” and “supplemental” ICE funding The growing divide inside the GOP What this means for border policy moving forward SEGMENTS: The 3AM Senate Move Explained ICE Funding: What Was Actually Cut? GOP Civil War: Senate vs. House Political Strategy or Betrayal? The مستقبل of Border Security KEY TAKEAWAYS: Senate Republicans joined Democrats in a surprise funding maneuver ICE and border agencies keep baseline funding—but lose key supplemental resources House Republicans were blindsided and are pushing back hard The move could shift political blame ahead of a shutdown fight Internal GOP divisions are becoming impossible to ignore SOCIAL MEDIA CLIPS (SHORT FORM HOOKS): “3AM Deal SHOCKS Washington—What Did They Do to ICE?” “Republicans Turn on Each Other Over Border Crisis” “Did the Senate Just Sabotage Border Security?” “House GOP Furious After Midnight Power Play” “Funding Fight EXPOSES Deep GOP Divide” HASHTAGS: #ICE #BorderSecurity #BreakingNews #Politics #GOP #Congress #Immigration #WashingtonDC #PoliticalDrama #News HASHTAGS (FIRST COMMENT): #USPolitics #Senate #HouseOfRepresentatives #GovernmentShutdown #AmericaFirst #PolicyDebate #PoliticalStrategy #TrendingNow #HotTopic #DailyNews CUSTOM LABELS (comma-separated): politics, border security, immigration, congress, GOP, democrats, ICE, funding, government, breaking news

    From Betrayal To Breakthrough
    467: Healing Betrayal Through the Subconscious Mind

    From Betrayal To Breakthrough

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 30, 2026 32:12


    From Betrayal to Breakthrough with Dr. Debi Silber | Guest: Peter McLaughlin    About Peter McLaughlin  Peter McLaughlin is a certified hypnotherapist and founder of Blue Sky Hypnosis. After being diagnosed simultaneously with Lyme disease and leukemia 23 years ago — and given just 10 years to live — Peter embarked on a profound healing journey that led him from Wall Street and a 50-person security company in Westchester, New York, into the world of mind-body medicine and hypnotherapy. Trained through a program founded by a former paramedic and focused on the medical applications of hypnosis, Peter also served as a volunteer firefighter and EMT, giving him a unique frontline perspective on trauma, shock, and the human response to crisis. Today he helps clients heal from emotional trauma — including infidelity, betrayal, and abuse — using hypnotherapy, havening, and subconscious reprogramming.    Episode Overview  In this episode, Dr. Debi sits down with Peter McLaughlin to explore the profound and often hidden role the subconscious mind plays in betrayal recovery. Peter shares his remarkable personal story of survival, and then dives deep into the tools and techniques — including hypnotherapy, the pendulum, the sway test, havening, and hypnotic regression — that can help betrayal survivors release the trauma stored in the body, update the subconscious mind, and finally break free from the cycle of chronic stress and pain.    Key Topics Discussed  Peter's life-altering dual diagnosis of Lyme disease and leukemia — and the journey it sparked  Why the body is a feedback mechanism and how it signals unresolved trauma  The subconscious mind, the autonomic nervous system, and the "safe vs. dangerous" classification system  How betrayal gets lodged in the subconscious with no concept of time — and why healing requires updating that  The power of epigenetics: how chronic stress upregulates dangerous genes, and how healing can reverse that  What hypnotherapy is and how it differs from what most people imagine  Havening: a rapid, EMDR-adjacent technique for releasing trauma — and when it doesn't work  Hypnotic regression: going back to the moment of trauma to reprocess, reframe, and re-heal  Working with guilt and shame as the root cause of blocked healing  The pendulum and the sway test as tools for accessing subconscious wisdom  How every major decision is ultimately emotional — and what that means for recovery  The spiritual dimension of healing: trauma as a wake-up call, not a life sentence  What it looks and feels like when you've truly healed: the body stops being hijacked    Memorable Quotes  "The diagnosis of leukemia wasn't the title of the book of my life. It was a chapter in there."  — Peter McLaughlin  "Every single decision we make is ultimately an emotional decision — and then our conscious mind steps in to justify it. The conscious mind is basically like a lawyer."  — Peter McLaughlin  "The subconscious mind has no concept of time. It could have happened 30 years ago and it's still treating it like a clear and present danger."  — Peter McLaughlin  "Toxins don't just take a physical form. They also take an energetic or emotional form. When you suffer a trauma, it gets lodged within you and begins exerting its effects."  — Peter McLaughlin  "You are not broken. You are already magnificence, endowed by God with a magnificence inside of you. None of this is a litmus test of your worth."  — Peter McLaughlin  "If I didn't go through my betrayals, I never would have entered the PhD program. The five stages would never have been discovered. That's trauma well served."  — Dr. Debi Silber    Key Concepts Explained  Havening  A therapeutic technique similar to EMDR that uses gentle touch on specific areas of the body to help release trauma stored in the nervous system. Peter finds it highly effective and fast-acting — but notes it doesn't work when a client is carrying unresolved guilt or shame, which blocks the subconscious from accepting relief.  Hypnotic Regression  A technique in which the therapist guides the client back — hypnotically — to the original moment of trauma. From there, the client can reprocess the event, release guilt, and even "negotiate" with the younger part of themselves still holding the pain. Often, an adult client works with their own younger self to provide the wisdom, protection, and reasoning that wasn'tavailable at the time.  The Pendulum & The Sway Test  Both are ideomotor tools — ways of accessing the body's subconscious signals. A pendulum amplifies micro-movements in the hand to indicate yes/no responses. The sway test involves standing and noticing whether your body leans forward (toward something safe or true) or backward (away from something negative or false). These tools can help identify buried emotions, assess the intensity of trauma, and track healing progress.  Epigenetics & Healing  Epigenetics refers to the way our environment — including our emotional state — turns genes on or off. Chronic stress upregulates genes associated with disease. Releasing emotional trauma and shifting out of fight-or-flight mode can change genetic expression in a healing direction.  What Healing Looks Like  According to Peter, you know you've truly healed when:  The physiological "hijacking" stops — your heart no longer races, your palms no longer sweat when you think about what happened  Intrusive thoughts fade and nightmares diminish  You can be in the same circumstances that once triggered you without the same emotional response  The emotional charge is gone — not repressed, but genuinely resolved  The pendulum registers a zero on the intensity scale where it once showed a 10    Connect with Peter McLaughlin  Website (relationship focus): PeterMcLaughlin.com  Website (hypnosis & broader topics): BlueSkyHypnosis.com  YouTube: 250+ free videos on hypnosis, hypnotherapy, overcoming infidelity trauma, divorce trauma, and more    Resources from Dr. Debi & The PBT Institute  Learn about the PBT Certification Program for coaches, therapists, and practitioners  Get the book: UNSTUCK — The Practitioner's Guide to Moving Betrayal Clients from Survival to Transformation  Subscribe to the From Betrayal to Breakthrough podcast for more expert conversations like this one    If this episode resonated with you, share it with someone who needs to hear that healing is possible — and that what happened to them is not permanent, and not a reflection of their worth. 

    3 Brothers No Sense
    Is "almost" cheating as bad as full on cheating?

    3 Brothers No Sense

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 30, 2026 78:26


    The brothers are back and this episode opens featuring a lively discussion covering some recent sports achievements in the WBNA, TSA closures and the airline travel frustrations we are all feeling, geopolitical tensions, and personal relationship insights. The brothers share candid opinions about whether a significant other almost cheating is as bad a full on cheating, making it a compelling listen for those interested in current events and human experiences. keywordssports, airline travel, geopolitics, relationships, infidelity, military, stock market, cultureChapters00:00 Parenting Perspectives: The Role of Strictness03:10 WNBA's New CBA: A Game Changer06:02 Tiger Woods: Legacy vs. Scandal08:50 Travel Troubles: TSA Lines and Passenger Reactions11:46 Military Mobilization: The Current Climate14:32 Cultural Commentary: Comedy and Current Events24:30 Gaming Updates and New Releases25:31 Military Recruitment Changes and COVID Policies28:48 The Impact of Military Decisions on Global Security29:16 Exploring Infidelity: Close Calls and Consequences31:12 Understanding Cheating: Context and Conversations34:41 The Complexity of Relationships and Infidelity39:16 Navigating Trust and Betrayal in Relationships49:31 Navigating Relationship Challenges51:23 The Temptation of Infidelity54:14 Life's Pressures and Relationship Dynamics58:18 The Pain of Betrayal01:00:10 Confessions and Consequences01:03:19 Reflections on Commitment01:06:57 Economic Policies and Market Reactions01:15:05 Cultural Commentary and Societal Reflections

    Relationship 411 Podcast
    204: Reactive Abuse After Betrayal

    Relationship 411 Podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 30, 2026 26:42 Transcription Available


    Send us Fan MailThe moment you discover an affair can flip a switch you didn't know existed. You might scream, throw something, say cruel words, or do something that feels completely unlike you and then you're left staring at the wreckage thinking, What is wrong with me? I'm going straight at that question, because so many betrayed partners carry more shame about their reaction than they do support for the trauma that caused it.I break down “reactive abuse” through a trauma-informed lens and explain what's happening in the nervous system when betrayal trauma hits. Infidelity can register as a threat to your survival, pushing you into fight flight freeze or fawn before your thinking brain can catch up. That doesn't make harmful behavior okay, but it does make it make sense and that understanding is often the first step in real healing after an affair or divorce.I also share personal stories I've held close for years, including the long tail of shame and what it took to finally release it. We talk about how an unfaithful spouse may weaponize your worst moment to deflect from the lying, manipulation, and gaslighting, and why one reactive moment doesn't define your character. You'll leave with practical tools for nervous system regulation like pausing the conversation, walking away, breathwork, cold water, getting support, and reframing your story so you can take accountability without self-destruction.If this hit home, subscribe, share this with a friend who needs it, and leave a review so more betrayed partners can find real help.Please follow me on instagram and facebook @happilyevenaftercoach and if you want to see what coaching is all about I offer a free 45 min. clarity call via zoom. Email me: hello@lifecoachjen.com for any comments or questions. Thanks for listening, please like and review as well as share with your family and friends. My website is www.lifecoachjen.com take the Free Quiz to find out how- How healed you are? 

    Greenhouse Church South Florida
    Judas, Peter, and You: Betrayal, Regret, and Redemption | Lent Series

    Greenhouse Church South Florida

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 30, 2026 42:24


    The Success Blueprint with Daniel Craig Johnson
    15 Minute Mondays - The Loyalty Trap When Staying Becomes Self-Betrayal

    The Success Blueprint with Daniel Craig Johnson

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 30, 2026 16:14


    If You're a FAN leave me a message :-)Loyalty can be noble, or it can be fear with a halo. In this 15 Minute Mondays episode, I expose why so many people stay in jobs, relationships, and friendships long after they've expired, and how “being loyal” can quietly turn into self-abandonment.You'll learn a clear clarity test to separate commitment from self-betrayal, and a practical framework to repair, redesign, or release what no longer fits, without burning bridges or shrinking back into the old version of you.✨ Key Takeaways Why staying too long often feels “right” but costs you integrity  The difference between loyalty and fear-based attachment  The truth inventory and reciprocity test that reveal misalignment fast  How to identify the identity cost of staying  A three-choice decision model: repair, redesign, or release 

    Journey Church Shepherdsville

    Palm Sunday to the Garden: Walking Through Holy Week Before EasterJeremy walks us through Holy Week, beginning with Palm Sunday's “Hosanna” cries and Jesus entering Jerusalem on a donkey while weeping, highlighting the crowd's misunderstanding of Jesus' mission. On Monday Jesus overturns temple tables to confront exploitation; on Tuesday he challenges religious hypocrisy, teaches the greatest commandments to love God and love neighbor, and honors a widow's offering. By Thursday, Jesus shares the Last Supper, introduces a new covenant, commands sacrificial love, washes the disciples' feet, and prays in Gethsemane before Judas' betrayal and Jesus' arrest, urging listeners to return next week to celebrate the resurrection. 00:00 Welcome and Easter Invite 00:49 Service Times and Donuts 01:58 Palm Sunday and Holy Week 06:03 Sunday Triumphal Entry 06:38 Hosanna and the Donkey 08:45 Jesus Weeps in Jerusalem 10:03 Monday Temple Cleanup 13:29 Tuesday Confrontations 14:59 Greatest Commandment 16:38 Widow Offering Lesson 18:40 Thursday Last Supper 20:53 New Command and Footwashing 23:23 Gethsemane Surrender 27:25 Betrayal and Arrest 29:24 Why This Story Matters 31:23 Closing Prayer

    Rational Boomer Podcast
    BETRAYAL - 03/28/2026 - VIDEO SHORT

    Rational Boomer Podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 29, 2026 1:20


    Betrayal

    FLAUNT! Build Your Dreams, Live Your Sparkle
    Why I Stayed After 15 Years of Infidelity — The Honest Truth About Rebuilding Trust

    FLAUNT! Build Your Dreams, Live Your Sparkle

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 29, 2026 59:43


    Why I Stayed After 15 Years of Infidelity — The Honest Truth About Rebuilding Trust What if staying after betrayal wasn't weakness, denial, or fear — but one of the most conscious, self-respecting decisions a person could make? In this deeply personal episode, Lora answers one of the hardest and most frequently asked questions of her life: Why did you stay? After years of infidelity, heartbreak, and shattered trust, she shares the honest, nuanced truth behind her decision to remain, heal, and rebuild. This is not a story about excusing betrayal, minimizing pain, or pretending the past didn't happen. It's a story about truth, justice, self-respect, and the courage to stay present long enough to see whether something truly new could be built. Lora explores the assumptions people make about women who stay, the difference between blind loyalty and conscious choice, and the emotional, relational, and spiritual work that real reconciliation requires. She also speaks candidly about love, risk, accountability, integration, and why healing is never about replaying the worst moment of your life forever. If you've ever wondered whether someone can love you and still betray you, whether staying means you're weak, or what it actually takes to rebuild trust after infidelity, this episode offers a raw, grounded, and powerfully clarifying perspective. Top 3 Takeaways 1. Staying after betrayal is not the same as accepting anything. Lora did not stay “no matter what.” She stayed present, kept listening to herself, and continued choosing based on what was actually happening in the relationship. 2. Reconciliation only works when truth, accountability, and repair are real. You cannot heal by pretending it didn't happen. Rebuilding trust requires full truth, real change, emotional honesty, and the willingness to create an entirely new relationship. 3. The goal is not just saving the relationship — it's reclaiming yourself. Whether you stay or leave, the deeper work is learning to honor your values, trust your own discernment, and move forward without bitterness. Pull Quotes “Staying isn't blind loyalty. It's conscious participation in whether something new is actually being built.” “I didn't stay because I was afraid to leave. I stayed because I trusted myself to keep choosing based on what was actually happening.” Hashtags About Lora Lora Cheadle, JD, CHt is a former attorney turned betrayal recovery coach, hypnotherapist, and author who helps women rebuild their identity and reclaim their power after infidelity and profound emotional betrayal. Using her signature Life Choreography® approach, she integrates legal insight, nervous system regulation, somatic practices, and deep spiritual support to help clients move from shattered to sovereign. Resources & Links  Download the free Betrayal Recovery Guide: https://betrayalrecoveryguide.com  Book your $97 Intro Session: https://introductorysession.com  Learn more about Rise & Reign: https://loracheadle.com/rise-and-reign  Follow on YouTube, Instagram, and Facebook @loracheadle LOVE THE SHOW? TAKE THE NEXT STEP Don't just listen—start healing. Download your FREE Betrayal Recovery Tool Kit and take back your power with clarity, confidence, and support that meets you where you are. ✅ Calm the chaos ✅ Rebuild self-trust ✅ Stop the spiral of second-guessing ✅ Reclaim your worth and your future Download Now ➜ www.BetrayalRecoveryGuide.com (MAKE THIS A BUTTON) You deserve more than survival. You deserve sovereignty, peace, and joy.   Books By Lora • International Book Award, Finalist Motivational Self-Help 2021 • Tattered Cover Bestseller 2019 Are you tired of living a life dictated by others? If you've felt trapped by expectations and long o be free, FLAUNT! is the key to unlocking who you are, expressing yourself authentically, and choreographing your life your way.   Reclaim yourself with this transformative guide that empowers you to strip away societal expectations and reveal your smart, sexy, and spiritual self. Through a unique blend of humor, wisdom, and actionable steps, you can uncover your deepest desires and build the confidence to live a life full of passion and purpose. Buy Now on Amazon, or wherever books are sold. It's Not Burnout, It's Betrayal: 5 Tools to FUEL UP & Thrive, is the essential guide for burnout and betrayal relief. Packed with insight and practical tools, this book is a must-have for individuals, teams, and leaders alike. Available on Amazon. Learn more at www.itsnotburnoutitsbetrayal.com Hashtags: #WhyIStayed #InfidelityRecovery #BetrayalRecovery #RebuildingTrust #HealingAfterInfidelity #RelationshipRepair #SelfTrust #ConsciousReconciliation #FLAUNTPodcast #LoraCheadle

    Rational Boomer Podcast
    BETRAYAL - 03/27/2026 - VIDEO SHORT

    Rational Boomer Podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 28, 2026 2:02


    Betrayl

    He Said She Said Counseling
    Betrayal, Infidelity & Trust: Dr. Stan Tatkin on Why Relationships Fail (and How to Repair Them)

    He Said She Said Counseling

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2026 52:55 Transcription Available


    Book a Discovery Call for Relationship Renovation CoachingWhat actually causes betrayal in relationships?Is it about sex, disconnection, or something deeper?In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Stan Tatkin, founder of the PACT Institute and one of the leading voices in relationship science, to break down what really happens when trust is broken—and what it actually takes to repair it.Dr. Tatkin challenges many common beliefs about infidelity and introduces a powerful reframe:Betrayal isn't just about what happened. It's about what was hidden.When critical information is withheld, it can completely destabilize a relationship—creating symptoms that often mirror trauma, including anxiety, obsession, and loss of safety.We explore why betrayal impacts the brain so deeply, why many couples struggle to recover, and what separates relationships that survive from those that don't.In this episode, we discuss:• Why betrayal is a trauma response, not just a relationship issue • The real definition of infidelity (beyond cheating) • How withholding information destroys trust and agency • Why “why did this happen?” is often the wrong question • The role of accountability, transparency, and repair • The three phases couples move through after betrayal • Why most relationships fail after infidelity—and what it actually takes to rebuildDr. Tatkin also introduces one of the most important ideas for long-term relationship success:Relationships don't fail because of love. They fail because they were never designed for safety.This episode is essential listening for anyone navigating betrayal, rebuilding trust, or wanting to understand how to create a relationship that can withstand real-life challenges.Key Takeaway: You don't repair trust through words—you repair it through consistent, observable change over time.If you're looking to go deeper into this work, explore more resources at:Order Relationship Renovation at Home Manual from AmazonJoin Our Patreon CommunityAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

    Dreamvisions 7 Radio Network
    Flaunt! Find Your Sparkle & Create a Life You Love After Infidelity or Betrayal with Lora Cheadle: Honest Truth About Rebuilding Trust

    Dreamvisions 7 Radio Network

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2026 59:43


    Why I Stayed After 15 Years of Infidelity -The Honest Truth About Rebuilding Trust What if staying after betrayal wasn't weakness, denial, or fear — but one of the most conscious, self-respecting decisions a person could make? In this deeply personal episode, Lora answers one of the hardest and most frequently asked questions of her life: Why did you stay? After years of infidelity, heartbreak, and shattered trust, she shares the honest, nuanced truth behind her decision to remain, heal, and rebuild. This is not a story about excusing betrayal, minimizing pain, or pretending the past didn't happen. It's a story about truth, justice, self-respect, and the courage to stay present long enough to see whether something truly new could be built. Lora explores the assumptions people make about women who stay, the difference between blind loyalty and conscious choice, and the emotional, relational, and spiritual work that real reconciliation requires. She also speaks candidly about love, risk, accountability, integration, and why healing is never about replaying the worst moment of your life forever. If you've ever wondered whether someone can love you and still betray you, whether staying means you're weak, or what it actually takes to rebuild trust after infidelity, this episode offers a raw, grounded, and powerfully clarifying perspective. Top 3 Takeaways Staying after betrayal is not the same as accepting anything. Lora did not stay “no matter what.” She stayed present, kept listening to herself, and continued choosing based on what was actually happening in the relationship. Reconciliation only works when truth, accountability, and repair are real. You cannot heal by pretending it didn't happen. Rebuilding trust requires full truth, real change, emotional honesty, and the willingness to create an entirely new relationship. The goal is not just saving the relationship — it's reclaiming yourself. Whether you stay or leave, the deeper work is learning to honor your values, trust your own discernment, and move forward without bitterness. Pull Quotes “Staying isn't blind loyalty. It's conscious participation in whether something new is actually being built.” “I didn't stay because I was afraid to leave. I stayed because I trusted myself to keep choosing based on what was actually happening.” LOVE THE SHOW? TAKE THE NEXT STEP Don't just listen—start healing. Get your free downloadable guide on the “The Top Three Ways You Betray Yourself Every Day, and How to Stop” at www.burnoutorbetrayal.com. https://workplace-burnout.com/the-top-3-ways-you-betray-yourself-every-day-and-how-to-stop/ If you're ready to Rise Up & Reign as the creator and queen of your life, let's talk. I will walk by your side and give you the perspective, permission, and wisdom needed to turn your betrayal experience into something constructive, empowering, and transformative in all the right ways.  Learn more at www.loracheadle.com and follow me across all social! Download your Sparkle After Betrayal Recovery Guide at www.BetrayalRecoveryGuide.com, a guide designed to help you take the first steps in feeling better, so you can reclaim your power, own your worth, and start putting yourself, and your life, back together again. About Lora: Lora Cheadle, JD, CHt is a betrayal recovery coach, attorney, TEDx speaker, and author of FLAUNT! and It's Not Burnout, It's Betrayal. After uncovering her husband's 15-year affair, she turned her own pain into purpose—helping high-achieving women reclaim their identity, power, and joy. A trauma-aware coach, somatic therapist, and former attorney, Lora blends legal insight with emotional and spiritual healing for full-spectrum recovery. She is the author of FLAUNT! Drop Your Cover and Reveal Your Smart, Sexy, & Spiritual Self (an International Book Awards Finalist and Tattered Cover Bestseller) and It's Not Burnout, It's Betrayal: 5 Tools to FUEL UP & Thrive. She also hosts the podcast FLAUNT! Create a Life You Love After Infidelity and Betrayal. Learn more at www.loracheadle.com and follow me across all social! Get the support you need to find your footing, begin making sense of it all, and feel better fast. As an attorney, betrayal recovery expert, and survivor of infidelity I can help you find the clarity and confidence to create a life that you love on the other side of betrayal. Book Your Session Here: https://calendly.com/loras-schedule/coaching-session Thank you to BetterHelp for sponsoring this podcast! Take charge of your mental health and get 10% off your first month of therapy at https://BetterHelp.com/FLAUNT  READY TO START A BETTER CHAPTER? Step into the future you've always dreamed of with the power of transformative rituals with the Mindful Subscription Box. Get a monthly box full of crystals, aromatherapy, and other spiritual tools worth $120. You deserve high-quality gems, crystals, oils, and mindfulness tools for self-care that truly work. It's a monthly dose of self-love delivered right to your door! Go to www.Mindfulsouls.com  and use Discount Code LORA25 for 25% off your order!

    Ask Julie Ryan
    #769 - Twin Flames, Betrayal, and the Truths No One Talks About!

    Ask Julie Ryan

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2026 62:40


    EVEN MORE about this episode!Was your twin flame connection real—or a painful lesson in disguise?Join Julie Ryan for live readings, energy healing, and twin flame insights as she reveals the truth about spiritual relationships, betrayal, and intuitive guidance.Through real-time readings and live caller sessions, Julie reveals what's really happening beneath the surface of “twin flame” connections—while simultaneously facilitating powerful medical intuitive scans and energy healings for callers around the world. From serious health concerns like cancer and hormone imbalances to chronic conditions and unexplained symptoms, she identifies root causes and offers both energetic healing and practical, actionable guidance.Along the way, Julie connects with spirit guides, delivers messages from loved ones (including a touching pet communication), and shares insights on boundaries, intuition, and reclaiming your power. If you've ever questioned a relationship that felt destined—but left you hurt—or wondered how spiritual insight can transform your health and life, this episode will challenge what you think you know and leave you seeing everything differently.Episode Chapters:(0:00:00) - Welcome and Announcements(0:10:21) - Burton's Tongue Cancer Scan and Carnivore Diet(0:21:17) - Kim's Fatty Liver and Cholesterol Myth(0:31:38) - Jesse's Cervical Health and Cat Mooney Connection(0:42:23) - Vineetha's Mother in India and Emily's Back Issues(0:52:46) - Lorena's Spirit Guide Messages and Rocío's Relationship Guidance➡️Subscribe to Ask Julie Ryan YouTube➡️Julie's Intuitive Trainings✏️Ask Julie a Question!

    BEAUTY BEYOND BETRAYAL - Heal from Betrayal, Affair Recovery, Betrayal Trauma Recovery
    Why Am I Still Triggered Months After Infidelity? | E323

    BEAUTY BEYOND BETRAYAL - Heal from Betrayal, Affair Recovery, Betrayal Trauma Recovery

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2026 10:05


    Still triggered months after infidelity? Wondering why you can't stop reacting after betrayal? Betrayal trauma doesn't just go away with time—and this episode explains exactly why. If you feel like you should be doing better by now… but you're still getting triggered, overwhelmed, or emotionally flooded after your spouse's betrayal—this is not a sign that you're broken. It's a sign your brain is still trying to protect you. In this episode, we break down: Why you're still triggered months after infidelity The neuroscience behind betrayal trauma and emotional reactions Why time alone does NOT heal betrayal trauma What your nervous system actually needs to feel safe again How to stop triggers from controlling your thoughts, emotions, and reactions You'll learn how trauma is stored in the brain and body, why your reactions feel so intense, and what it takes to begin calming your nervous system so real healing can start. This is a must-listen if you're struggling with: ✔ Intrusive thoughts after cheating ✔ Emotional triggers that won't go away ✔ Anxiety, fear, or hypervigilance after betrayal ✔ Feeling stuck in your healing journey Ready for real healing? Most couples try to fix betrayal through conversations and effort—but without structure, they stay stuck in cycles of triggers, frustration, and disconnection.

    The Rest Is Politics
    515. Starmer's Foreign Aid Betrayal, Islamophobia & Australia's Far Right (Question Time)

    The Rest Is Politics

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2026 52:17


    Are the UK government's aid cuts more extreme than those made under austerity and Trump? What can Britain learn from South Australia's landslide against the far-right? Have the Tories & Reform adopted a strategy of Islamophobia? Join Rory and Alastair as they answer all these questions and more. __________ Go deeper into the world of The Rest Is Politics by signing up for our free newsletter HERE, featuring exclusive interviews, analysis and weekend reads from Alastair and Rory. Join The Rest Is Politics Plus: Start your free trial at therestispolitics.com to unlock exclusive bonus content – including Rory and Alastair's miniseries – plus ad-free listening, early access to episodes and live show tickets, exclusive newsletters, discounted book prices, and a private chatroom on Discord. The Rest Is Politics is powered by Fuse Energy. To sign up and for terms and conditions, visit fuseenergy.com/politics. Get our exclusive NordVPN deal here ➼ nordvpn.com/restispolitics It's risk-free with Nord's 30 day money back guarantee ✅ __________ Instagram: @restispolitics Twitter: @restispolitics Email: therestispolitics@goalhanger.com __________ Social Producer: Celine Charles Video Editors: Josh Smith, Lorcan Moullier Assistant Producer: Daisy Alston-Horne Producer: Evan Green Exec Producer: Chris Sawyer General Manager: Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    Forgotten Hollywood
    Episode 415- The Companion Guide to The Godfather Trilogy: Betrayal, Loyalty, and Family

    Forgotten Hollywood

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2026 23:14 Transcription Available


    In this episode I spoke with author Karen M. Spence about her recent book "The Companion Guide to The Godfather Trilogy: Betrayal, Loyalty, and Family". The Companion Guide to The Godfather Trilogy: Betrayal, Loyalty, and Family offers a fresh perspective, going beyond the surface to uncover the real-life context and historical inspirations behind the story.

    The Morning Mess
    3/25/26 STAYCATION SETUP - BESTIES BY BETRAYAL

    The Morning Mess

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2026 7:22


    Naomi thinks her man cheated because she accidentally met his sidechick at the club. Follow us on socials! @themorningmess

    The Business of Doing Business with Dwayne Kerrigan
    132: Forgiveness, Betrayal, and the Cost of Success with Adel Sayegh

    The Business of Doing Business with Dwayne Kerrigan

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2026 91:19


    In Part 2 of this powerful conversation on The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast, Adel Sayegh shares the deeper chapters of his entrepreneurial journey — including betrayal in business, a life-threatening health crisis, and the resilience required to rebuild both physically and professionally.After helping grow a company from the ground up to more than 1,200 employees, Adel watched it eventually go public for billions of dollars without receiving anything himself. For many people, an experience like that could lead to lasting bitterness. Instead, Adel chose a different path — one rooted in forgiveness and perspective.But the challenges didn't stop there.Adel also opens up about facing a serious illness that forced him to confront his own mortality and rethink what success truly means. Through that experience, he rebuilt his health, refocused his priorities, and ultimately emerged stronger than before.Today, Adel reflects on how adversity — whether in business, health, or life — can become the foundation for growth. His story is a powerful reminder that success isn't just about wealth or status, but about resilience, forgiveness, and the ability to keep moving forward even after life's most difficult setbacks.Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Opening quote on forgiveness and harboring hatred00:25 - Show intro and welcome back to Part 201:28 - Building a global security empire and the China partnership betrayal03:58 - How RFID technology revolutionized retail loss prevention06:10 - Facial recognition's secret use in catching shoplifters09:08 - GPS chips in pharmaceutical bottles to track stolen opioids10:45 - The Ring camera Super Bowl commercial backlash14:22 - Microchip technology debate - child safety vs. privacy20:15 - Diagnosed with pancreatic cancer at 49 while at the peak of success42:38 - Surviving the night when doctors said he wouldn't - and his wife's unconditional love46:50 - Discovering the company was embezzled while fighting for his life1:06:18 - Choosing forgiveness over prosecution and finding peace1:12:10 - From discipline-driven to commitment-driven; a philosophical shift on purpose1:17:00 - The Unbroken Foundation mission to end child trafficking1:29:15 - Closing prayer and final words of encouragementKey Takeaways:True peace is impossible while holding onto hatred or resentment.Forgiveness is often more about healing yourself than the other person.Building a global company requires persistence, trust, and innovation.Financial success alone does not guarantee fulfillment or peace.Perspective and resilience help transform betrayal into growth.Quotes:“You can't have a hundred percent peace if you are harboring hatred on anyone.” - Adel Sayegh“I don't approve what they do.” - Adel Sayegh“I don't have them in my life, but I've forgave them because that was also medicine for me.” - Adel Sayegh“ I never even dreamed of, you know, growing up a little kid immigrant from Jordan that I would have, the lifestyle that I would have.” - Adel Sayegh“On a marketing level that's about as bad as the Bud Light commercial.” - Dwayne Kerrigan“Your story is unbelievable. You are an example of evolution and grace and commitment to the values and beliefs and faith that you have.” - Dwayne KerriganAdel Sayegh's story is one of grit, grace, and perseverance. From humble beginnings in his garage, he built a company that reached a $1 billion valuation. A Marine Corps veteran and pancreatic cancer survivor, Adel has overcome tremendous adversity, shaping his mission to use every challenge as a platform to serve others. His unwavering faith in God has been the cornerstone of his journey, grounding him through both triumphs and storms. Today, Adel speaks to entrepreneurs, leaders, and dreamers, challenging them to rise above adversity, pursue excellence, and live with purpose. His message of resilience, faith, and hope leaves a lasting imprint on audiences, calling them to embrace challenges as opportunities and build a legacy that outlives them.Connect with Adel Sayegh:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adel-sayegh-06109a9/Connect with Dwayne Kerrigan:FacebookInstagramLinked InWebsiteDisclaimer: The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Dwayne Kerrigan and his affiliates. Dwayne Kerrigan or The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast.

    The Seven Bells Podcast
    Northern Lights - Chapter 22 - Betrayal

    The Seven Bells Podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2026 38:44


    This week The Boys put the 'laughter' in 'slaughter' to discuss chapter twenty-two of the Northern Lights!Join our Patreon and get access to our Patreon exclusive show "Films Cool!" for as little as $3 a month!https://www.patreon.com/twodustyboysEmail us at twodustyboys@gmail.comDon't forget to rate, review, and leave a comment for us on the platform of your choice. Thanks! We love you!Content warning: Not Safe for work or children... unless they're coolIntro and outro music provided by, respectively:"I Got a Stick Arr Bryan Teoh" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/"I Got a Stick Feat James Gavins" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Support the show

    After the Affair
    183. “It Meant Nothing” Why That Doesn't Make Betrayal Easier

    After the Affair

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2026 9:57


    “It meant nothing.” It's a phrase often said after betrayal, usually with the intention of reassuring a partner. But for many people, it doesn't bring comfort, it creates confusion. Because if it truly meant nothing… why does it hurt so much? In this episode, Luke explores the disconnect between intention and impact, and why this explanation often feels incomplete to the betrayed partner. He breaks down the difference between what something means to the person who did it, and how it is experienced by the person it affects. By looking beyond the phrase itself and exploring the deeper layers underneath, this episode offers a more grounded and honest way to understand betrayal, and what's required to rebuild clarity, safety, and trust. Key Takeaways Why the phrase “it meant nothing” is often intended to reassure, but can create more confusion The difference between intention and impact in betrayal Why behaviour can feel “meaningless” to one person, but deeply significant to another What this explanation may overlook about boundaries, awareness, and emotional needs How understanding the deeper meaning behind behaviour supports healing and trust Work With Me If you're struggling to make sense of what happened in your relationship, or feeling stuck on explanations that never quite landed, you don't have to navigate that alone. Connect with Luke: Website: www.lifecoachluke.com Instagram: @mylifecoachluke Email: luke@lifecoachluke.com

    BEAUTY BEYOND BETRAYAL - Heal from Betrayal, Affair Recovery, Betrayal Trauma Recovery
    Why Do Apologies Not Feel Like Enough After Cheating? | E322

    BEAUTY BEYOND BETRAYAL - Heal from Betrayal, Affair Recovery, Betrayal Trauma Recovery

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2026 11:33


    If your spouse keeps saying “I'm sorry” but it still doesn't feel like enough… this episode will explain why. Betrayal trauma is not healed through words — it's healed through safety, consistency, and transformation. In this episode, we break down the neuroscience behind why apologies fall short, what your brain actually needs after infidelity, and how trust is truly rebuilt in a marriage after betrayal. If you're stuck in cycles of apology, frustration, and emotional disconnection, this conversation will give you clarity and direction.

    Choose To Be with Choose Recovery Services; Betrayal Trauma Healing
    Why Empathy Breaks Down After Betrayal (And How to Fix It)

    Choose To Be with Choose Recovery Services; Betrayal Trauma Healing

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2026 43:46


    Healing after betrayal is one of the hardest journeys a couple can face — especially when both partners want the relationship to work but feel stuck in the same painful patterns.This week Luke and Alana dive into one of the biggest challenges in betrayal recovery: Why progress in personal recovery doesn't always translate into relational healing.You'll learn:Why many men struggle to show empathy after betrayalThe difference between individual recovery and relational repairWhat betrayed partners truly need to feel safe againHow emotional regulation impacts healingWhy healing after betrayal is often “Olympic-level emotional work”If you're trying to rebuild trust, understand your partner's pain, or move forward after betrayal, this conversation will help you see the process more clearly — and remind you that healing is possible.Don't Miss Out!If you connected with this conversation, we invite you to learn more about our Help Her Heal men's intensive and support groups. Reach out to find out which option may be right for you! (702) 277-9145 | info@chooserecoveryservices.comChapters03:39 Men and Empathy07:15 Betrayed Partner Needs08:57 Regulation And Shame12:44 Rescue Versus Coregulate16:16 Window Of Tolerance23:38 Individual Safety Work30:46 Validation and Safety Skills38:22 Learning Repair SkillsRegister Now!

    The Gut Health Dialogues
    Can Betrayal & Trauma Affect Your Gut? The Hidden Link Between Betrayal & Digestive Issues ft. Dr. Debi Silber

    The Gut Health Dialogues

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2026 38:41


    Send us Fan MailWhat if your gut symptoms weren't just about food, but about something much deeper? In this episode, Alyssa sits down with Dr. Debbie Silber, founder of the Post Betrayal Transformation Institute, to explore the powerful and often overlooked connection between betrayal, trauma, and gut health.After experiencing profound personal betrayal, Dr. Debbie went on to complete groundbreaking PhD research, uncovering a completely new framework for healing, one that explains why many people stay stuck physically, emotionally, and even digestively for years.Together, they unpack how betrayal impacts the body, why it creates a unique type of trauma, and how it can show up as chronic digestive issues like IBS, bloating, and inflammation.You'll learn about:Why betrayal is a different type of trauma that requires a different healing approachWhat post-betrayal syndrome is and how it affects physical health (including the gut)The surprising link between trauma and digestive conditionsThe 5 stages of healing after betrayal, and where most people get stuckWhy time alone doesn't heal trauma, and what actually doesGuest bio: Dr. Debi Silber, Founder and CEO of The PBT (Post Betrayal Transformation) Institute and National Forgiveness Day, is an award-winning speaker, 2-time #1 International bestselling author, and host of From Betrayal to Breakthrough (top 1.5% globally). Her groundbreaking PhD study revealed 3 discoveries that completely revolutionized our understanding of betrayal and full healing. Creator of the world's #1 betrayal recovery certification for life, business, health, and leadership coaches, she's been featured on FOX, CBS, The Dr. Oz Show, and TEDx (twice). But what makes Dr. Debi's message truly resonate is her own story. After spending the early part of her 34-year career as a lifestyle coach, a devastating personal betrayal sent her into a PhD program — and into discoveries that transformed both her life and her field. Her journey through all five stages is the living proof behind the research, and the reason her message reaches anyone who has ever wondered if they will truly be okay again.Newest book for practitioners: https://thepbtinstitute.com/unstuck/The site: https://thepbtinstitute.comFounder of the #1 Betrayal Recovery Certification for Life, Business, Health, and Leadership Coaches. Are you meant to help others through betrayal? Take the Quiz: https://thepbtinstitute.com/coach-quiz/The latest TEDx: “Do You Have Post Betrayal Syndrome?“: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyqOR69dHiUTEDx: Stop Sabotaging Yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX30i6nC7roThe From Betrayal to Breakthrough podcast: https://thepbtinstitute.com/podcast/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@debisilberFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/InspireEmpowerTransformLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debisilber/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/debisilber/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/debisilber

    True Cheating Stories 2023 - Best of Reddit NSFW Cheating Stories 2023
    Cheating Wife Story, Seven Years of Betrayal

    True Cheating Stories 2023 - Best of Reddit NSFW Cheating Stories 2023

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2026 82:44 Transcription Available


    Cheating Wife Story, Seven Years of BetrayalBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-cheating-wives-and-girlfriends-stories-2026-true-cheating-stories-podcast--5689182/support.

    Gangland Wire
    The Russian Mob in Los Angeles

    Gangland Wire

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2026 Transcription Available


    In this episode, Gary Jenkins, retired intelligence detective, sits down with veteran true crime authors Frank Gerardot and Burl Barer to examine their book Where Murder Lies, a case that intersects Russian organized crime, Italian mob connections, and a troubling claim of wrongful conviction. At the center of the story is Jimmy Kitlas, a young man who struggled with learning disabilities and instability after aging out of a rehabilitation facility in Los Angeles. Facing homelessness and limited options, he gravitated toward individuals connected to the Russian mob, seeking protection and belonging. Instead, he was drawn into criminal schemes—including check fraud and drug trafficking—engineered by experienced mob figures who exploited his vulnerabilities. Frank and Burl provide historical context on the rise of Russian organized crime in the United States, particularly in neighborhoods like Brighton Beach. Unlike the rigid hierarchy of traditional Mafia families, these groups often operated through looser networks, engaging in lucrative scams such as gas tax fraud alongside Italian crime figures. The authors explain how these alliances blurred lines between ethnic crime groups and created new power structures within the American underworld. The discussion then shifts to the murder that reshaped Jimmy's life. What began as manipulation and grooming evolved into betrayal, jealousy, and ultimately violence. The authors detail how Jimmy's arrest followed a carefully orchestrated narrative that shifted blame onto him while shielding more powerful figures. Through examination of court records and transcripts, Gerardot and Barer argue that investigative failures and prosecutorial decisions compounded the injustice. 0:02 Introduction and Guests 0:47 Wrongful Conviction Discussion 4:26 Kelly Lee’s Influence 6:33 Russian Mob Background 12:28 Jimmy Kitlas’ Journey 18:47 Investigative Challenges 22:58 The Murder Plot 26:45 Russian Mob Operations 28:29 Geographic Control in LA 31:29 Trust and Collaboration 35:03 Daniel Patterson’s Role 37:10 Conclusion and Book Promotions Hit me up on Venmo for a cup of coffee or a shot and a beer @ganglandwire Click here to “buy me a cup of coffee” Subscribe to the website for weekly notifications about updates and other Mob information. To go to the store or make a donation or rent Ballot Theft: Burglary, Murder, Coverup, click here To rent ‘Brothers against Brothers’ or ‘Gangland Wire,’ the documentaries click here.  To purchase one of my books, click here. [0:00] Hey, all you wiretappers, good to be back here in the studio of Gangland Wire. This is Gary Jenkins, retired Kansas City Police Intelligence Unit detective, and I have two guests today. Frank Girdo. Is that correct, Frank? Girdo? That’s pretty good. Gerardot. I’ll take it. Gerardot. Gerardot. Just don’t pronounce a T at the end, right? Yes, sir. [0:24] And Burl Barer. Is it Barer, Burl? Yep, that’s close enough for government work. Joe’s enough for government work. That’s the story of my life, as everybody knows. I like to get it close. And we never let the real facts get in the way of a good story either. So let’s just get going here. We like to tell stories on this channel. That’s what my guys like is stories. [0:44] Stories about the Russian mob and maybe a little bit about the Italian mob. And we also got a story about a wrongful conviction, which is a kind of a hot topic right now. We’re seeing a lot of different things in these true crime shows about wrongful convictions. And there’s been, I think a lot of them have been uncovered. In the last few years because people started paying attention to that a little more than they used to. When I was a policeman, they didn’t pay any attention. Never heard of a wrongful conviction. I really congratulate you investigators and authors and true crime diggers out there that see these things and then go take a look at them because they need to be taken and given a look at. So Burl Baer is an Edgar winning author and two-time Anthony Ward nominee. He’s got a lot of experience in reporting. I see you’ve been in the Hollywood Reporter, even the London Sunday Telegraph, New York Times, USA Today. [1:38] You’ve got, I believe you’ve got some other, what else do you do, Burrell? I watch a lot of TV, watch a lot of movies. What kind of shows have you been on? You’ve done other investigations here. Yeah. I did almost, Frank and I have done most of those shows. Deadly Women, Deadly Sins, Behind Mansion Walls, you know, all. [1:57] Do you name them and claim them? We’ve probably been on them. All right. And Frank Gerardot, you’re a journalist, radio host. You’ve authored several true crime nonfiction books, co-author with Burl on A Taste for Murder, Betrayal in Blue. And you did one with somebody else named Byrne. Oh, that was about John Orr. And I read that book. Actually, I read that book, that John Orr. That was a hell of a story, man. That was a hell of a story. Several years ago. So that’s a, it’s a crazy thing. And that, that, that book really tells the story of John Orr through his daughter’s perspective. Ah, okay. And, and I don’t remember which one I read. I read one. I listened to a podcast about the whole thing all the way through guys. That was the LA County was an LA County fireman, fire investigator who was sat in his own fire all up and down in California. Oh yeah. He would go up North. He was in Southern California. He would go up north to a fire conference and he’d set fires on the way back. It was crazy, craziest story I ever read. And after he got arrested, the number of arson fires in California declined by 70%. I’ll be darned. I’ll be darned. He set brush fires, just all kinds of fires. It was crazy. Name of that book is Burn, Guys, if you’re interested in that by Frank Cardo. That’s the French pronunciation. Yes, sir. Yes. [3:18] So these two guys, they have their publicist, God Hold Me, and they introduced me to this book, Where Murder Lies. It is a fascinating look, and they did a real great examination of the Russian mob, a little connection to the Italian mob in New York City as part of this investigation into really a wrongful conviction case, a wrongful conviction of a kid who was, I guess we don’t use the word retarded anymore. He was mentally disabled and retarded in some manner. I’m not sure exactly how to describe that anymore. How would you guys describe him? So, yeah, I think he’s differently abled. We’ll say that. He’s actually a pretty smart guy. He speaks a lot of languages. He read this book in a night. [4:01] He just, I think more of his problem is that he’s maybe learning. He had learning difficulties. And as you’ll see when we get into the book here, he had a lot of physical and emotional trauma growing up. Okay. Jimmy Kittlis was his name. Yes. And a woman named… Kelly Lee. [4:22] A woman named Kelly Lee got you guys interested in this story. It’s a wrongful conviction story that strays into this mob ties. Who was she? Now, who was Kelly Lee? [4:32] I could tell you about Kelly Lee. She was one of the first people I met when I came to Los Angeles in November of 2003. Three, she was doing intake at Teshuvah, which is a Jewish community kind of rehab for people with all-matter recovery issues. I’d just been through a bad patch, et cetera. He needed some help. She did my intake. Wound up becoming friends with her and her husband. And a few years later, we’re having dinner together. She says, oh, Pearl, you’re a true crime writer. I go, duh, yeah. And she pulls out a handful of court transcripts that are difficult to get nowadays. Thank you. Says, take a look at this. She was, at the time this murder took place, what I would term an unlicensed pharmaceutical supplier on the streets of West Hollywood. Correctly. Gotcha. Marijuana, primarily. Yeah. And she had six arrests for selling pot, which now would probably get her a community service award here. Yeah. Times were different. And when Jimmy Kittlis ages out of the facilities or whatever down in Lake Elsinore. When he turns 18, they just put him on a bus with a ticket to West Hollywood. Goodbye. [5:49] And he gets off. He meets her. She’s a very compassionate person. She can see that this kid is really childlike. Babe in the woods or babe on the street, he’s really going to get taken advantage of. She takes him under her wing like a surrogate mom and tries to tell him and teach him how to survive on the street. And then she said, he’s like a child. Could be really eager to please, super polite, has the intentions man of a goldfish. Oh, look, there’s a castle. Oh, look, there’s a castle. It’d be very easily used. [6:28] It had a lot of sexual energy. He needed a girlfriend. He got one and got her pregnant. And she really tried to help these kids, But she couldn’t be with him 24-7 And she certainly raised her eyebrows When she saw who was spending a lot of time With this couple And that was a well-known fellow In the Russian mob, Yeah, I read that So let’s talk a little bit about the Russian mob So you guys really went in the background When they first came to Brighton Beach Tell the guys a little bit about that background. [7:02] Yeah, sure. As the Soviet Union began to crumble, a lot of Russian Jews found their way to New York, and they found their way to Brighton Beach. And they set up a sort of black market trading system among themselves and within the community with all the sort of standard features of mafia, right? Protection, extortion, sometimes murder, certainly dealing in black market stuff like drugs. [7:32] Clubs, prostitution, just about every kind of crime you can think of happening in a neighborhood that’s protected by a mafia. These guys were controlling in this neighborhood of Brooklyn called Brighton Beach. What I thought was interesting, and readers will probably find interesting too, is that there’s not a real setup like a commission or families. The Russian mob really operates more like Ronin. There’s guys that just independent operators and build up their business based on their relationships and how many people they can pull into a scheme. What we also found is that these guys were pretty adaptable and they picked up on a scam that the Lucchesis and the Gambinos were operating. And that was to get gas, steal it, take it from places where it wasn’t really tracked and put it into gas stations, sell it for maybe a penny less than the guy across the street, but capture the tax, the federal excise tax money and pocket it. And this was a multi-million dollar scheme And to the fine-tuning of it The Russian mob, Worked with guys like Michael Francesi To really extract as much as they could from it One of the guys in our book. [9:00] Meyer Ida, who was in Brighton Beach and operating there, came to Los Angeles in the mid-90s and started up the gas tax scheme. But the feds were pretty wise to it at that point, and he got caught up in the sting. Interesting. If I remember right, some of them were, they couldn’t steal it, but they would set up companies, shell companies, and then buy gas and then sell it a little bit cheaper. And it was up to them to collect the tax and then pay the state. And they do this for a certain period of time. And then they just declare file bankruptcy or just walk away from that shell company and create another little LLC and do the same thing. So just like run after you just couldn’t catch up. You bust out of one and move on to the next one. And that’s what they and you could they change the laws for gasoline purchase changed as a result because you could just go buy it. You can make up a company today, buy it tomorrow, sell it on Thursday, collect the tax on Friday, and bail out on Saturday and start all over again next week. Wow. Wow. There’s a scam. There’s a mob that’s willing to take advantage of a loophole like that. It’s crazy. So they moved out to LA. What other kind of scams? Go ahead. Go ahead, Brett. I was going to say that the Russians were so good at this type of scam, far ahead mentally of the American Mafia. [10:29] They were the best people they ever worked with. They were geniuses. They knew how to do this unlike any other. And in fact, the gas tax scam, the biggest moneymaker for the Russian mob and eventually the American mafia than any other form of income, billions of dollars. Interesting also is that if the former Soviet Union, should probably know, they factor in the Russian mob in their economy. I believe the last figure was 63% of the GNP of Russia was crime. They actually give a figure for it. Here we go. In America, this percentage of our federal income is from crime, but in Russia, they do. 63%. I don’t know what it is in America, But we talked to this Stan, who’s never going to pronounce his last name. And he had been in the Russian mob ever since he was a kid, raised in it. [11:32] And so that’s just what we were brought up with. We didn’t think there was anything unusual. If you were a girl, you were going to be a sex worker. They were respectable. If you were a guy, you were going to do this. And it was never as bad or as evil as the Americans said it was. It was always, the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming. coming. It’s so scary. I noticed you had a chapter titled Glassnose Gangsters. [12:00] I thought that was a pretty tricky title. I also read once that in Russia, they were so used to dealing with corrupt officials and running different scams that were in and around governmental agencies, like the tax collecting thing. They were so used to that, that they really refined this to a fine point than Americans could, because we’re not so used to dealing with corrupt officials. We have some, but not like Russia. Russia was an art in Russia. [12:28] Yeah, and they just took the template and brought it right over here and started earning pretty quickly. So now, how does Jimmy Kittlis, he’s a street kid. He’s one of these, what I call throwaway kids. We have this group of kids on the streets that are 18, 19, 20, use drugs. And lots of times these older men who are gay want to pay him for sex or bring him in and take care of him. Was he one of those kids? Did he get into that kind of a lifestyle? [13:02] He’s a homeless kid. He’s a runaway. And the place that he goes to, Hollywood and West Hollywood, is full of people that want to exploit young boys. Yeah. The lifestyle that he got into, though, was I think he recognized that there would be, people there who were stronger than him and smarter than him and want to take advantage of him. And so he sought out ways to hook up with mobsters because he figured that if he was connected, that would protect him from some of the bad stuff that might happen, especially like sexual exploitation. [13:41] When he goes into a homeless shelter, he peripherally knows about Mark. He asks around about Mark, who’s a Russian mobster. And the homeless shelter introduces them and says, oh, hey, yeah, Jimmy here would like to do some work with you. And so he falls into doing work with Mark and let the scamming begin, as they say. Interesting. Yeah. I read the book how he was, he had such a facility to learn language that he learned Russian pretty quick. And he had other languages. Just one of those people that just could start picking that up. Me work like hell, and I can’t have one conversation, but somebody like that, they just pick it up. I understand he picked up Russian pretty quick, too. Very quickly, and to this day, speaks it pretty well. And that got him some cachet. [14:30] But that only goes so far because, Gary, these guys that come in at a low level and aren’t Russian are really just mules. And that’s really what Jimmy was. He was a mule. Mark’s specialty was Czech forgery. and check washing. And he taught Jimmy how to take envelopes and get checks out of them, change who the check was written to or the amount that the check was drawn for, and go to various banks and cash those checks. And Mark was a pro at it. He had equipment to do it. He knew how the scam worked. He knew that you don’t go to the same bank three days in a row. You go to a couple of different banks and that’s how they got by day to day. [15:18] Interesting. Yeah, I worked one of those little scams once, a little group of people that were doing that. They could have a process that can wash some of the ink off of a check and then put and change the amount and those kinds of things. They’d work, they’d go to grocery stores on paydays. People used to take their grocery, their checks to put grocery stores on paydays plus banks. So it’s a pretty good moneymaker that needs little guys like this to go out and cash the checks while the bad guy sits back and provides the checks and takes most of the money. So it’s interesting. Yeah. And that’s exactly what Jimmy was, the little guy that cashed the check. [15:57] I want to interject something here. Now, Mark was, as Jimmy said, he looked like a Russian mobster. He was a Russian mobster. However, what Jimmy didn’t realize is that the whole family, or most of the family, was involved. Mark’s uncle, Meyer ITF, also known as Mike, was a very prominent figure in the Russian mob in Los Angeles. The fans were very aware of him. He was, shall we say, a big shot. He was the godfather of Plumber Park here. He was the guy. Jimmy didn’t know that. He just knew about Mark. As you know in the book, sooner or later it becomes a situation involving a fortune in gold and smuggled MDMA that puts Meyer in federal custody. Meyer wants out of federal custody. Mark not only is a Russian mobster doing bank fraud, he’s also an FBI informant and a DEA informant and an informant of the Pasadena Police Department. [17:07] Frank says, according to the menu at a Chinese restaurant, going from column A to column B, how do I get my uncle out of prison? Solve a murder. Oh, what’s the easiest way to solve a murder? Plan it. Set it up. Blame it on someone, like maybe Jimmy. Final result, I’ll tell you, Meyer got out of prison. Jimmy went to prison. [17:36] Wow, that’s a hell of a story. Frank can give me more insight on that process, but that’s the short form on how this all winds up fitting together. Yeah, and you guys, when you went back, you had to go back. Could you be able to pull she had transcripts from the court so you could find out who testified were able to get any more information police department’s notorious for not allowing reports to go out i can’t even get them out of my own but and i bet it was really bad on that how did how’d you go about that how’d you start digging into this and get your first clues that you can tell you about trying to talk to the items about this yeah yeah so it’s like an onion i i look at it like that and we had early on kelly shared with us some of the trial transcripts so that’s pretty good yeah there’s a lot of information in there and it and within the trial transcripts there’s names and and dates and so we started picking at it and early on you know we couldn’t get cooperation from any of [18:40] the mobsters yeah we didn’t get cooperation from the fbi or the dea We were able to do some digging. [18:48] And I think the digging led to a congressional hearing on the Russian mob back in the early 90s. And Meyer Itev’s name pops up in that hearing. So from there, I started digging through federal court files using PACER and came across all kinds of court documents involving Mike and then his nephew for various scams they were involved in. [19:21] And then taking those court documents and continuing to research and talk to people and figure it out, we were able to lay it all out. It took us six years to do this, but lay out a narrative of who’s Mike, who’s Mark, who are they involved with, and what kind of things were they operating when Jimmy got involved. And where was everybody when this murder took place? And what we found out was that Mike was in federal custody and had been charged with involvement in a scheme to steal gold from a place in Massachusetts. And how the scheme worked is Mike and his buddy posed as government scientists who were building a nuclear reactor facility in a run-down apartment in Pasadena, California. And they were able to put in purchase orders for the gold and have it delivered to this apartment. And only when one of them misspelled sergeant on the P.O. And sent a fake check did the government catch on and arrest him. [20:37] When they brought him in and charged him with this, the first thing that these guys wanted to do was figure out how they could get out of it. They hooked up with a guy in Hollywood who was involved in a scheme. Yeah. To dissuade a reporter from writing about the actor Steven Seagal. And this guy, his name is Alex Proctor, went to Meijer and another man in our book, Daniel Patterson, and said, listen, can you help me? I need to knock off this reporter. [21:12] Daniel, as you’ll see from reading our book, is a pretty well-connected guy. He’s done some pretty interesting stuff, but murder was the limit of what he would do for anybody. He began to peel back some of the layers of that onion for authorities in that case. And that led to Meyer being in custody. And that was the catalyst for Mark and his other uncle, Gary, to try to figure out how can we get him out? And they believed that the government would let Meyer out of custody if they could inform on a big enough crime. Big enough crime probably wouldn’t be a burglary or a low-level assault or a battery. It had to be something significant. And then this murder happens. Wow. How did they choose this victim? I don’t know necessarily that they chose him, but this guy lived in the neighborhood where Mark and Jimmy hung out, and they essentially manipulated him into believing he was going to have sex with Jimmy’s girlfriend. And then manipulated Jimmy into thinking that, hey, this guy’s going to have sex with your girlfriend. Aren’t you upset by that? Doesn’t that piss you off? Don’t you think you should be a man and do something about it? Yeah. [22:39] Hormones, jealousy, rage, greed. It’s like there’s everything like comes together in this one moment. And we end up with this guy, Alex, who’s a school teacher, just ends up dying. [22:55] So they got motive and means and opportunity. They can manipulate Jimmy into providing all those for the investigated officers. Yep. Yeah. Wow. And, you know, and what, and what really the thing that really, I think, so there’s this event that happens and there’s a, there’s like part of this, there’s a locked door mystery that investigators encounter. But the other part of it is how after the crime, Jimmy was arrested. [23:27] Manipulated into going to a hotel as a hideout that was arranged for him by Mark and Gary Iteve. And as soon as Jimmy’s in the hotel, they park themselves outside and guide the police to the hideout where they arrest Jimmy and his girlfriend. I think I read that initially, after the school teacher was dead, they got in, was it Pasadena? One of the police departments got an anonymous call giving up the body, where it was, the murder, and the suspect. Only one anonymous call. And then they, and then, oh, my God, this was heinous. Let’s mention that locked door. Let’s mention this locked door. This was heinous, heinous. When the police get to the scene of the crime, and they noticed that the apartment does not show any forced entry. Living room, everything, it’s fine. Get to the bedroom, however. The door had been locked from the inside. Jimmy said when he left, he locked the bedroom door from the inside. This is now after the fact. Someone shows up and tries to get in. They can’t because the door’s locked. They want to get in real fast. And they finally get in, practically ripped the doorknob off to get in. [24:50] At the same time, let’s assume it might be the same person, Mark ITM uses the dead man’s telephone to call his lawyer to say, I want to report a murder that we could use to get my uncle out of prison. [25:07] Using the dead guy’s phone. Then after they arrange that, he cuts the wires and leaves. Also wiping the door, the doorknob clean. His fingerprints are in there because he acknowledges he was in the bedroom earlier when Jimmy put the unconscious, still-breathing fellow on the bed. [25:29] He leaves. Mark left, went out and told the girl. Jimmy killed the guy. But when he left, the guy was alive, breathing on the bed. He says, come down after in a minute. So then he tells the girl, we got to go because we’re going to get in trouble with the cops. What are we going to do? So it was a real mess. So to say, who killed this guy? Jimmy had to take full responsibility because he confessed to protect his girlfriend. Also, he felt bad about putting the guy to headlock and throw the old drunk guy to the ground anyway. But then again, how did Mark make a phone call to his lawyer and the dead man’s phone after all that happened? And after the doors ripped open in the apartment to the bedroom. Did he find the guy already dead? Or did he have to help finish the process? Legally, he was found not guilty. Mark was. Just like OJ was. Because did OJ do it? Did OJ not do it? Did he cover for his son? Whatever. But legally, he was not guilty. Same thing with Mark. Not guilty. Jimmy, guilty. Whether we killed him or not. [26:45] We can’t say. We weren’t there. Crazy. Crazy, isn’t it? [26:52] What other kinds of things was this crime family, this Russian mob family? It’s like a family. I’ve read about these. They’ll have that one strong man, and then you’ll have a group that kind of emanates out from that, but yet they’re not part of some larger group. They stand on their own. And so what else, what other kind of crimes were they involved in? Was this talking about MMDA being smuggled into those that’s a party? Rave kind of clubs yeah they one of the things that they did was make a counterfeit viagra one of the guys had a uh an idea to he bought some viagra and he had a plan to set up pharmacies where he could like order viagra through the pharmacy and like with the gas tax right don’t pay anybody have the viagra and sell it and then one of the other guys said that’s a waste of time I got a pill press. Just all we got to do is get the chemicals or some chemicals and put them together and press a bunch of Viagra pills and then we can sell thousands instead of tens. [27:54] And then the gold scheme, which we mentioned, and the MA, the list goes on and on. And within the community of the Russian diaspora, extortion, loan sharking, gambling, prostitution, all those means of making money were on the table and being used. They were familiar with the casinos here in LA, familiar with the how to operate prostitution rings and advertise the services. Very sophisticated group of guys. [28:29] Did they have a geographic area in which they were kind of like the ruling group? [28:35] So that’s the funny thing about LA. And we talk about this a little bit in the book, that LA’s never really had like a mob family. There’s no five families here. If you go back to the 1940s and 50s, there was a guy named Mickey Cohen, who was a mobster here in LA and with help started the casinos in Vegas. But there’s no turf here In LA, if you’re going to set up an operation You’ve got to find a way to work with some of the other mobs In Los Angeles, the Mexican mafia is very prominent And their operation is run out of the jails That’s where their leadership is in the jail and prison system And the soldiers are on the street And that’s where the drugs and prostitution are distributed at street level, operated from the jails. Guys like Meyer or people operating within those turfs, they got to work with the Mexican mob to make sure that they’re not crossing lines. And we chronicle some of that, especially with the MDMA smuggling in the book. [29:44] Interesting. Wow. Yeah. LA’s not really had that, like you said, that five families each has a geographic territory or even had one family, a guy named Jack Dragna, but it was really, it was open. LA was open city. We had a guy from Kansas City went out there in the 50s and fell in with some people out there. And, of course, from Tony Splatro and that Jimmy Fradiano, Jimmy Fradiano, these people from Chicago had some action going down in L.A., but no one mob family controlled L.A. And it’s spread out that you’ve got these neighborhoods over the place that I just wonder if they’re like a Brighton Beach kind of a place that where a lot of Russians had settled in. That was their neighborhood, at least where they did. They all live in one neighborhood. So, yeah, West Hollywood has a Russian enclave. And then there’s a park there called Plummer Park. That’s a gathering place for Russians in the neighborhood to get together and play chess and talk about what’s going on. I live in a neighborhood that has its own little enclave of Armenian mobsters. And their hangout is a donut shop. Yes, I’ve seen that here I have I was at a Starbucks up by the airport And I see these guys all ganged up together And they look like. [31:03] They’re Italians. They look like down at the social club down in the North End. I was retired by then. So I look at these guys. I call a friend of mine back down the intelligence unit. I say, I see these guys and here’s one of their license plates and it’s some kind of a limo service. And so, yeah, that’s our Albanian gangsters. They all hang out there at that Starbucks and then they go to the airport. They have these different things. They haul drug dealers back and forth. We are on to them. [31:29] That’s great interesting people ask Frank and I how is it that you get guys from the Russian mall or the fact with Betrayal in Blue who was a drug cartel guy or guys from the American mafia how do you get them to cooperate with you when you write these books I would like to stand whose name I can never pronounce with a whole section about the Russian mob, where he talks openly about it. And he says, because they trust us and anybody else, they want their story told truthfully. This is their legacy. They don’t want a bunch of BS about them in a book. If it’s been over seven years, they could talk about it. Unless it’s bank robbery, then it’s 10 years. We always tell them, don’t talk about anything you can be arrested for. Although, we’ll appreciate this because you’re doing this podcast. I was doing one, had this guest on, and all of a sudden he’s just talking about killing somebody. [32:35] I said, you can tell I’m kind of getting upset. Turns to his lawyers, he goes, what’s the statute of limitations on murder? Murder. Oh, my God. There isn’t one. Shut up. I have told guys that. I said, I’ll tell you something, dude. Do not tell me something I can’t live with. You can talk to me, but do not tell me something I can’t live with. You cannot trust me if you tell me something I can’t live with. And that’s the main one right there. Fortunately, they trust, People learned that they could trust Frank and I to be honest with them, direct with them, protect them if they need protection. I don’t know about the protection part. I’m not going to protect any. I’m with Jerry. Don’t tell me anything. Well, that’s what I mean. You tell them, don’t cross this line. That’s protection. Please tell them where the guardrails are. Yeah. It’s an interesting thing that we do. I’ve got some guys here and some guys around the country I’ve dealt with. And they reach out to you and they want to tell their story. I wish I could get more of them to want to tell their story. And they want to tell one thing I get criticized for. And it’ll be somebody that’s on YouTube, obviously in the know, and they’ll tell me how I got something wrong. [33:47] You deal with what you got. You deal with the newspaper articles and old court cases and things like that and try to get it right. But you can’t totally get it right. Of course, you don’t get it right as the way somebody else sees it, too. Everybody has a different take on the right story. I found out long ago, if you only rely on law enforcement, you’re not going to get the whole story. No, you got to go. Well, then you’re doing stenography. That’s what I always said. Yeah. Yeah. But it’s hard to get those people to open up, too. Man, it’s. Yeah. I was a reporter for a long time, so I’ve had some practice at it. And I’ve interviewed guys in prison. I’ve interviewed people who pre-arrest, during arrest, post-arrest. [34:26] And I’ve developed a way to talk to people that makes them comfortable. With Adam Diaz that Burrell mentioned in our book, Betrayal in Blue, this guy is a South American cartel member dealing cocaine in the United States. He went on the record and talked about his life doing that. [34:47] And the same thing in this book with Daniel Patterson. Daniel is quite a colorful character. And I interviewed him over five or six weekends about everything that he was involved in, up to and including the stuff that he did with the ITEVs. [35:04] Now, Daniel Patterson, explain who he was to the Russians. Sure. He’s basically a conduit for the Russians. He’s a guy who knew how to make money more legitimately than they did. He had the pill press. he explained the gold scam how to operate the gold scam how to write po’s how to like add a veneer of legitimacy to their business and and make more money by doing that yeah it’s like the scam emails you get you see the misspelled words they greet you in some archaic way this is a scam this guy could take all that out of it and right i always love it without warning people i want to worm. If the woman on the dating site says, I am so-and-so by name, they’re Nigerian. But if you tell them that, then all the Nigerians will stop telling them, I’ll stop using that. But if it says, I am Sally by name, they’re Nigerian. Even if they say they live in your hometown, they’re Nigerian. Good clue. Good clue. You guys hear that out there? [36:12] Yeah listen closely when you trip to one of these emails or one of these online things and you start talking to them they say my name is sally my name is nigerian hang up, how’s everything in nigerian click yeah. [36:31] Guys, I didn’t expect to get that kind of a great clue for my guys out there, but that’s a good one. I didn’t really realize that one myself. Yeah, I am Sally by name. Here’s your clue. Watch out. I was talking to a guy once, a friend of mine. He was talking about some girl that he met online, of course, through Facebook. And he said, she told me she just thought I looked interesting and sounded interesting from my Facebook. And I said, what’d she do? He said, I think she’s legitimate. I said, what’d she do? She’s an entrepreneur. I said, dude, dude. On. Dude. Model and entrepreneur. Yeah. [37:10] Okay. This has been great. Frank Girardeau and Burl Baer. B-A-R-E-R. Yes. And guys, I’ll have links to these books, all of their books. This book is A Taste for Murder, and they have Actually, this book is Where Murder Lies. Oh, I’m sorry. Okay. Oh, yeah. All right. Let me start. I’ll edit this. Their book is Where Murder Lies. And they also have one called A Taste for Murder, Betrayal in Blue, and Burned. So those are all three great true crime books. And I will have links to them in the show notes, guys. Thanks so much. Merle and Frank, I really appreciate you coming on. It’s really interesting. And Owen, if you buy the book, review the book. Say something nice about it. If you don’t like it, keep your mouth shut. Don’t give me one of those one-star reviews or I’m coming for you. You can’t trust those. [38:08] Thank you, Gary. All right. Thank you. All right. I’ll send, I don’t know, do I have your emails or do I have the publicist’s email? I got somebody’s email. Sometimes I never get your guys’ email. You got Vine, you got Frank, you got them both. All right. I’ll send you a link whenever I get this. It’ll probably be a month or more before I actually get this up. I would stay way ahead. Okay, good. Okay. All right. Talk to you soon. Same thing I can ever do for you here in Kansas City while you get on these stories or something. Hey, I’m in Missouri. I haven’t used to Missouri. I’m in Houston, Missouri. You what? I’m in Houston, Missouri. Oh, are you? Yeah, Texas County, Missouri. Oh, Texas County. Yeah, that’s way down south. That’s down south. I’m in the Ozarks. Yeah. Okay. That’s why I grew the goatee. Okay. All right. All right. Thanks, guys. Bye-bye. Bye.

    From Betrayal To Breakthrough
    466: Turning 60: What Six Decades Taught Me About Betrayal, Life & Becoming

    From Betrayal To Breakthrough

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2026 37:03


    This is a milestone episode — Dr. Debi is celebrating her 60th birthday, and she's marking the occasion by sharing six of her greatest life lessons, one for each decade. Whether you're in the thick of healing from betrayal or simply looking for some wisdom to carry you forward, these lessons are deeply personal, hard-won, and universally relatable.  What You'll Hear in This Episode:  Lesson 1: Hard Now, Easy Later (or Easy Now, Hard Later — Take Your Pick) The philosophy Dr. Debi has lived and taught for 34+ years. Every choice falls into one of these two categories. Choosing the hard path now — whether it's healing, setting new boundaries, or making difficult changes — creates the ease later. Skipping it just means carrying the weight longer.  Lesson 2: Trust Your Gut — It Never Lies From founding the PBT Institute to going back for her PhD at 50 to knowing her family wasn't complete, Dr. Debi's biggest leaps of faith have all followed her intuition. People may think you're crazy. Trust the knowing anyway.  Lesson 3: Fear of the Unknown vs. Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda Dr. Debi has trained herself to find the regret that stings less — and for her, that's always trying something and failing over never trying at all. Life is short. Her mom passed at 57, and this year marks the third year Dr. Debi has outlived her. That puts everything in perspective.  Lesson 4: Health Is Everything This is the only body you have. Dr. Debi shares her long-standing commitment to movement, nutrition, sleep, meaningful relationships, and sun — and gets real about the one area she's still working on: stress and rumination. Progress, not perfection.  Lesson 5: Integrity Doing the right thing even when no one's looking. It makes life simpler — fewer lies to track, fewer masks to wear, and the deep peace of knowing your word means something. As Dr. Debi puts it: 100% is easier than 99%.  Lesson 6: Be a Lifelong Learner — Try Things On If you see something you admire in someone else, try it. If it fits, make it yours. If it doesn't (like "Deborah"), drop it with zero guilt. Dr. Debi shares how she became a hugger and learned to make people feel like the only person in the room — both borrowed from people she deeply admired.  Bonus Lesson: Stop Being So Hard on Yourself Be your own best friend. Your best is good enough. And if you find yourself doing the same frustrating things you've always done? Simply adorable. (She means it.)    Mentioned in This Episode:  UNSTUCK: The Practitioner's Guide to Moving Betrayal Clients from Survival to Transformation — Dr. Debi's newest book  The PBT (Post Betrayal Transformation) Institute  The PBT Certified Coach/Practitioner Program  The Five Stages from Betrayal to Breakthrough™  National Forgiveness Day — September 1  Dr. Debi's two TEDx talks (combined 2M+ views)  The From Betrayal to Breakthrough podcast (460+ episodes)    Connect with Dr. Debi:  Website: thepbtinstitute.com  Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn: @debisilber    Loved this episode? Share it with someone who needs it, and let Dr. Debi know which lesson resonated most — she'd genuinely love to hear from you.  Dr. Debi Silber celebrates 60 with six hard-won life lessons — one per decade — on intuition, integrity, health, fear, lifelong learning, and why hard now always beats easy later. 

    Mandy Connell
    03-23-26 Interview - Lora Cheadle - Can Your Relationship Recover From An Affair?

    Mandy Connell

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2026 11:10 Transcription Available


    CAN YOUR RELATIONSHIP RECOVER FROM AN AFFAIR? I've known people whose marriages have ended over an affair and marriages that have survived and even thrived after an affair so it can be done. My guest at 12:30 is Lora Cheadle, and she knows about what she speaks in this care. She is an author, TEDx speaker, and leadership wellness coach who specializes in burnout and betrayal recovery. She is the author of It’s Not Burnout; It’s Betrayal: 5 Tools to FUEL UP & Thrive, the award-winning book FLAUNT! Drop Your Cover and Reveal Your Smart, Sexy, & Spiritual Self, and hosts the top-rated podcast, FLAUNT! Create a Life You Love After Infidelity or Betrayal. Today we're talking about overcoming an affair and creating the best life you can. Find out more about her at her website here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    The Catholic Couple
    The One Choice That Separates Heroes From Villains

    The Catholic Couple

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2026 56:04


    Every villain has a backstory… and it usually starts with a wound. A moment of pain. Rejection. Loss. Betrayal.But here's what most people miss—heroes have wounds too.So what's the difference?In this episode of The Catholic Couple Podcast, we break down the one decision that determines whether pain turns into bitterness… or becomes something that leads to growth, purpose, and holiness.From characters like Anakin Skywalker, Spider-Man, Batman, and the Joker… to real-life struggles our kids face today—this conversation gets to the heart of how we process pain and why it matters more than ever.

    Grace Church | Greater Akron Ohio, Norton Campus
    An Act of Betrayal and An Act of Devotion

    Grace Church | Greater Akron Ohio, Norton Campus

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2026 44:21


    Series : The Way and the Words

    The Garden of Eden
    Jason and Amanda ... Still Hurting

    The Garden of Eden

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2026 25:18 Transcription Available


    ***This episode contains strong language and discusses themes that may be confronting for some listeners.We’ve chosen to include these moments as they were said, because they reflect the raw emotion and reality of what this family has experienced.” It’s been more than a decade since Eden’s death but for her family, nothing about this has settled. In this episode, we return to Jason and Amanda as they open up about where things stand today from building a new home with their own hands, to the ongoing toll of rumours, online attacks, and a community that remains deeply divided. You’ll hear the anger that still sits just beneath the surface… frustration at misinformation, at people questioning their story, and at a system they believe still hasn’t delivered answers. At the same time, there are moments of strength of rebuilding, of family, and of a refusal to be silenced after all these years. This is a raw and unfiltered conversation about what it’s like to keep going… when the truth still feels out of reach. If you want to hear our new podcast Badge of Betrayal you can follow the show on Apple Podcasts or SpotifySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    VIRGIN.BEAUTY.B!TCH
    VBB 370 Rissa Miller: Why Owning Your Inner ‘Bitch' Is Self-Love!

    VIRGIN.BEAUTY.B!TCH

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2026 39:30


    Rissa Miller is a folklorist, speaker, herbalist, public historian, diviner, and, as we learn in this episode, a passionate poet who brings wisdom, warmth, and a rebellious spirit that a Bitch will love. This raw, honest talk evolves from self-betrayal — the shrinking of ourselves to make others comfortable, the struggle between kindness toward others and loyalty to yourself, or wondering how to find sovereignty when your priorities are focused on others' needs — to healing in your journey by tapping into an identity you possess but shamed or cursed, if you show it. We dive deep into the powerful, and often polarizing, word “BITCH,” exploring how it can be reclaimed as a source of women's empowerment. Rissa takes the lead in helping us unpack our five principles behind B.I.T.C.H: Betrayal, Identity, Trust, Change, and Healing. Rissa is a master storyteller who shares examples of how women can reclaim their innate strength, sensuality, and unapologetic presence. This conversation will remind and inspire you to fill your own cup, trust your gut, and live your most authentic self, sequins and all.

    Up First
    The Betrayal of Trans Troops

    Up First

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2026 29:32


    In his first term, President Trump required transgender service members to register with the diagnosis of gender dysphoria in order to continue serving openly in the military. Now, amidst Middle East deployment plans, that documentation is being used to find and separate thousands of highly trained troops. This week on The Sunday Story, how the Pentagon's push to remove trans troops is affecting active duty service members—and how it may also affect the military's mission readiness.To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below:See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

    Houston's First Baptist Church Messages (Audio)
    The Garden of Gethsemane: The Soil, the Weeds, and the Blessing

    Houston's First Baptist Church Messages (Audio)

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2026 40:07


    The Garden of Gethsemane holds deep significance as the place where Jesus prayed before His crucifixion, offering timeless lessons about surrender, prayer, and finding strength in difficult moments. The name Gethsemane means olive press, symbolizing how crushing pressure can produce something valuable. Just as nearly 2,000 olives must be crushed to create one liter of healing oil, Jesus experienced overwhelming pressure that would ultimately bring blessing and redemption to humanity.

    History of South Africa podcast
    Episode 267 - Betrayal at the End: Mnyamana, Cetshwayo's Dutchman, and the Crushing of the Zulu Kingdom

    History of South Africa podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2026 21:56


    Cornelius Vijn had made a few bad decisions in his life as we all do at some point. Born in Holland in 1856, he made his way to Natal in 1874 where he rapidly learned both English and isiZulu. That wasn't necessarily a bad decision. During his childhood, however, he'd suffered an accident, he was run over by a wagon — the wheel shattered his leg, it healed badly and from then on he walked with a limp. He had lived in Natal for over 4 years before setting out from New Guelderland with six Zulu drivers and assistants, sixteen oxen, and a wagon loaded with woollen, baize and cotton blankets, picks, knives, saddles bridles and beads. Just to put his location into perspective, New Guelderland is a few kilometers north of KwaDukuza aka Stanger. Cornelius Vijn's destination — Zululand. This was a miscalculation because his journey began October 1879 on the eve of the Anglo-Zulu war. Tension had been rising for months, and most whites had fled the territory. Vijn was determined to go the other way. He sensed he could make some extra money without any competition from the other Natal Traders. Vijn was 23 years and six months old. After being held up by rainy weather and a border check to make sure he wasn't carrying guns, he crossed the Thukela on November 1st. We know all of this because Cornelius' journal was published by Bishop Colenso in 1880 — and you can find a copy online at the University of Cape Town archives. It's called Cetshwayo's Dutchman, and what a fascinating read it is. His plan was to travel to meet King Cetshwayo kaMpande and sell him all the goods in the wagon in exchange for cattle. The king had good reason to treat Vijn well, he needed someone who could function as a translator and letter writer because Cetshwayo would spend most of the coming months repeatedly sending emissaries to Lord Chelmsford, asking for negotiations. In May, word arrived that the Boers were at Cetshwayo's home, they were working together to defeat the English. Later Cetshwayo was to tell Cornelius that “No doubt the Boers are better than the English, for Mpande was setup as king by the Boers and died as King, whereas I, Cetshwayo, was crowned by the English and now my country is taken from me…” Following the British disaster at Isandlwana and the agonizingly slow progress of the second invasion of Zululand, the British government lost confidence in Lord Chelmsford's strategic capabilities. In May 1879, Sir Garnet Wolseley was appointed as Supreme Commander in South Africa, effectively superseding Chelmsford.When word reached him deep in Zululand his reaction was one of desperate urgency rather than resignation. Knowing his reputation was on the line, Chelmsford took several decisive actions including what you may call a race for Ondini.

    FLAUNT! Build Your Dreams, Live Your Sparkle
    Why Did This Happen to Me? A Radical New Way to Understand Betrayal, Trauma & Life's Hardest Moments

    FLAUNT! Build Your Dreams, Live Your Sparkle

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2026 56:50


    Why Did This Happen to Me? A Radical New Way to Understand Betrayal, Trauma & Life's Hardest Moments Why did this happen to me? If you've ever asked that question after betrayal, infidelity, or a life-altering experience… this conversation may completely shift how you see your story. In this deeply thought-provoking episode, I sit down with Rob Schwartz, author of Your Soul's Plan, to explore the concept of pre-birth planning—the idea that we may choose our biggest life challenges before we're even born. Yes… even betrayal. Before you dismiss this as “too out there,” stay with us. Because whether you take this literally or metaphorically, this conversation opens the door to something every woman healing from betrayal needs:

    Weekly Spooky
    Unknown Broadcast | What Returns in the Night: Four Tales of Ghosts, Betrayal, and Retribution

    Weekly Spooky

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2026 136:33 Transcription Available


    Unknown Broadcast leaks once more into the Weekly Spooky feed, carrying four old-time radio horror stories in its teeth and insisting they are perfectly harmless. Tonight's signal wanders through reincarnation and resentment, jungle danger and false names, poison and polite suburban dread, and finally a grim little reckoning delivered by The Whistler himself.If you came seeking classic OTR horror, vintage radio suspense, gothic mystery, and those deliciously strange old broadcasts that sound as though they were never meant for civilized company, then do sit down. Just don't sit with your back to the door. The lineup for this episode is The Return of the Moresbys, John Jock Todd, The Burning Court, and Retribution.       

    Centerpoint Fellowship Church's Podcast
    Marked: Marked for Betrayal, Injustice, and Denial

    Centerpoint Fellowship Church's Podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2026 40:23


    Christ Church
    3/22/26 Passover Sunday: "The Table of Betrayal and Covenant" - Matthew 26: 20-23

    Christ Church

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2026 37:55


    Palace Intrigue: A daily Royal Family podcast
    "WE'RE DONE": Netflix Insider Declares Sussex Deal Dead as Andrew Becomes "Detainee A" - The week in UK Royal news

    Palace Intrigue: A daily Royal Family podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2026 24:51 Transcription Available


    Kate avoids alcohol since cancer diagnosis, opts for soft drink at brewery visit. Kate and William's Borough Market outing draws crowds as they chop cheese, make coffee, pour pints. William reveals: "I'm a cider man, grew up on cider in West Country." Irish Guards St Patrick's Day Parade, Nigerian state visit (first in 37 years), Kate wears Tolu Coker. William sings Welsh anthem at rugby match. Charlotte Griffiths testimony: knew Kate pregnant, didn't report to maintain friendships.Charles DJs in Manchester ("God Rave The King"). Variety bombshell: "Inside Meghan and Harry's Falling Out With Netflix." Insider: "We're done." Three sources say Sarandos "fed up," Bajaria "tired." Claims Netflix sitting on $10M+ As Ever inventory, giving products away on card tables. Megyn Kelly taste test: chocolates "disgusting," jam $12 vs $4 alternatives. WSJ: Harry "adrift and isolated." Tom Bower's "Betrayal" draws Sussex response: "deranged conspiracy."Australia retreat leak concerns, $1M fee reported, organizer's company in liquidation. Andrew approached about renouncing succession. Operation Ironville investigation intensifies, former staff "extremely nervous." Sun: Andrew now "Detainee A." Living "huffy teenager-style" in pyjamas, video games. William "absolutely raging" at Crown revival possibility.Get episodes of Palace Intrigue by becommming a paid subscriber on Apple Podcasts. Click the button that says uninterrupted listening.  Just $5 a month, and that includes many ofther shows on the Caloroga Shark network.Our royal newsletter written by Deep Crown is available for free.Royal Books:Revenge: Meghan, Harry, and the War Between the Windsors by Tom BowerWilliam and Catherine: The Monarchy's New Era: The Inside StoryThe Royal Insider: My Life with the Queen, the King and Princess Diana

    Dr. Laura Call of the Day
    Debbie's Surrogate Daughter Let Her Down

    Dr. Laura Call of the Day

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 21, 2026 9:15


    Debbie has discovered that the employee she developed a close personal relationship with lacks character and conscience.  Call 1-800-DR-LAURA / 1-800-375-2872 or make an appointment at DrLaura.com Follow me on social media: Facebook.com/DrLaura Instagram.com/DrLauraProgram YouTube.com/DrLaura Join My Family!! Receive my Weekly Newsletter + 20% off my Marriage 101 course & 25% off Merch! Sign up now, it's FREE! Each week you'll get new articles, featured emails from listeners, special event invitations, early access to my Dr. Laura Designs Store benefiting Children of Fallen Patriots, and MORE! Sign up at DrLaura.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    Betrayal
    The Bachelor Who Was Betrayed | BONUS

    Betrayal

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2026 27:50 Transcription Available


    Betrayal host Andrea Gunning does an exclusive interview from SXSW with Love Trapped host Stephani Young and its subject, former ABC's Bachelor star Clayton Echard. Andrea explores how Clayton’s journey on Love Trapped is very similar to the stories that frequently come up on Betrayal and how he is navigating his journey of growth after his personal betrayal experience. You can listen to the Love Trapped podcast here. New episodes release every Thursday. To see the exclusive video version of this interview, become a paid subscriber on the Betrayal community at betrayal.substack.com. If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at betrayalpod@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. If you would like to reach out to the Love Trapped team, email us at lovetrappedpod@gmail.com and follow along on Instagram @glasspodcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Nerdette
    MSCL TV Club: Best weekend ever (Episodes 17 and 18)

    Nerdette

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2026 41:15


    In today's MSCL rewatch episode, Greta Johnsen and Kristen Meinzer discuss My So-Called Life episodes 17 and 18 -- “Betrayal” and “Weekend” -- with Soraya Roberts, a culture writer and contributing writer at Defector who wrote the the book In My Humble Opinion: My So-Called Life.They talk about THE BEYRAYAL, whether Jordan actually loved Angela, and what Brian's deal is.SHOW CREDITSCreator and host: Greta JohnsenCo-host: Kristen MeinzerSenior Producer: Ben GoldbergComposer: Andrew M. EdwardsTile art: Lou LovisekSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    2 Be Better
    AITA 3 Real Relationship Drama, Boundaries, Betrayal, Hard Truths

    2 Be Better

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2026 87:50 Transcription Available


    This video breaks down real “Am I The A**hole” relationship stories through an unfiltered, grounded lens, focusing on boundaries, trust, communication, and personal responsibility. You'll hear raw reactions and honest commentary on situations involving jealousy, suspected infidelity, step-parent authority, disrespectful friendships, financial decisions in marriage, emotional cheating, and the hidden power struggles that quietly destroy relationships. Rather than surface-level judgment, the conversation digs into why people act the way they do, how resentment builds, and where accountability actually belongs. Viewers can expect blunt perspectives, uncomfortable truths, and practical relationship insight rooted in lived experience, not theory. This episode challenges common narratives around control versus respect, independence versus partnership, and what healthy boundaries really look like in modern relationships. If you're interested in relationship psychology, marriage dynamics, dating red flags, emotional maturity, and learning how small choices compound into big outcomes, this video is designed to confront, educate, and provoke honest self-reflection. Disclaimer: We are not professionals. This podcast is opinioned based and from life experience. This is for entertainment purposes only. Opinions helped by our guests may not reflect our own. But we love a good conversation.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/2-be-better--5828421/support.

    Seasoned Dialogue with Lisa-Marie
    Fight or Flight after Betrayal

    Seasoned Dialogue with Lisa-Marie

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2026 20:40


    Send us Fan MailThis episode is a real, honest conversation about what happens inside of you after betrayal… why your body goes into fight or flight, why your thoughts won't settle, and why the hurt feels deeper than you expected. We're talking about the nervous system, trust being broken, and the emotional weight that comes with it… but also how to listen to your body, move through the anxiety, and begin finding your way back to a place of safety within yourself.Support the show

    Betrayal
    Love Is No Defense | EP 8 | Saskia's Story

    Betrayal

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2026 33:15 Transcription Available


    Advocates fight to change the law that protected Mike Levengood. Content Warning for rape, sexual violation by an intimate partner, and nonconsensual intimate image distribution. If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at betrayalpod@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Follow our newsletter and join the Betrayal community at betrayal.substack.com. For resources on sexual violence, visit rainn.org/betrayal. You can also get free, confidential, 24/7 support through RAINN’s National Sexual Assault Hotline. Text HOPE to 64673 or call 1-800-656-HOPE. Every state has a domestic violence coalition, and many counties also have resources available. If you’re looking for help, go onto your county’s website to see what resources are available locally, or search the web for your state’s domestic violence coalition. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Killer Instinct
    Love and Betrayal : Devon Guzman

    Killer Instinct

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 18, 2026 34:56


    Devon Guzman was 19 and had lots of love to give and complicated relationships because of it. On June 15, 2000, a tragic ending caused by jealously and betrayal brought her young life to an end. Get exclusive Killer Instinct content on my patreon : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/killerinstinct ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ If you like the show, telling a friend about it would be helpful! You can text, email, Tweet, or send this link to a friend: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://bit.ly/KillerInstinctPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Savannah on IG: @savannahbrymer Follow Savannah on Twitter: @savannahbrymer Get exclusive Killer Instinct content on my patreon : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/killerinstinct ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ If you like the show, telling a friend about it would be helpful! You can text, email, Tweet, or send this link to a friend: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://bit.ly/KillerInstinctPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Savannah on IG: @savannahbrymer Follow Savannah on Twitter: @savannahbrymer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices